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Mike,   I think I was in Charlotte, coming from Miami heading for Dayton….no wait a minute I was in Miami. Anyhow, transferred in Charlotte and left for Dayton. Anyhow, when I left Miami, I could see my bags and rod case on the cart. The plane was full and my bags and rod case did not get loaded. they were left in Miami. My bags and rod case were on the turnstile when I got to Dayton. This causes a pain between my ears which I do not understand. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going down to Venezuela for peacock bass in January, and I’m planning on taking all my gear in one carry-on bag (plus two travel rod tubes), but the airline tells me NO HOOKS, which means no flies.  Now, when I travel to fishing destinations, I never check anything, you guys know why.  Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, Adam A bunch of guys from my club going down to Baja post 9/11 were not allowed to take hooks in their carryon going down. They were not allowed to even carry rods on board coming back. I have done quite a bit of international traveling with scuba gear which was way to much to carry on. I have had only one incident of a bag being delayed. There are a couple of things that I am sure help. Go for the easily identifiable luggage that doesn’t advertise that there is expensive sports equipment inside. Know the three letter airport code of your destination and make sure that is on the tag that is attached when you check in. Make sure the tag is attached to something secure on the luggage. Put your name and address inside as well as on the tag you are required to have outside. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971

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Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, I’ve never lost luggage on an international flight, so I’d check my bags – but I’d carry at least one rod and reel on just in case it’s the first time. <g They can’t take off with your bags without you on the plane these days, either. Or, you could try to sneak them on and take the chance of being held up in security while your plane does take off sans you. FWIW

Um…Right now, I’d recommend doing absolutely nothing that gives very jumpy airport security crews reason to give one any "special attention". A member of my design team was virtually strip-searched yesterday in Denver while changing planes on his way to San Jose, apparently the unlucky winner of a random selection process… /daytripper (He decidedly did not enjoy the experience)

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I saw a demonstration once on the use of everyday items as weapons.  I think the newspaper is actually deadlier than the Bic razor!!

Perhaps it’s not wise to publicize even the possibility in a public forum, but there’s some evidence that a properly cured pair of waders, carried aboard in a hermetically sealed bag, then opened once aloft, could render the entire cabin unconscious.   JR

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… there’s some evidence that a properly cured pair of waders, carried aboard in a hermetically sealed bag, then opened once aloft, could render the entire cabin unconscious.

I thought Waldo had his old waders carted off to a Superfund Site. — Ken Fortenberry- pray that bin Laden never gets his hands on Waldo’s waders

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Several years ago my company was working on a project in Venezuela.  Fed-X subcontracts delivery.  It took two weeks for them to get a package there.  DHL was much better, however customs in Venezuela is always a crap shoot. Things do not understand drive them nuts.   Put the hooks/flys in checked baggage if you really want any chance of them being there with you.  Have a great trip. Chuck W. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’ve had better luck with DHL-Intenational.  Cheaper than UPS generally, and simpler customs clearance issues. — Jim —      http://www.westernsportshop.com Western Sport Shop Discussion forums –      http://www.westernsportshop.com/forums.html Western Sport Shop Email Newsletter Signup –      http://lists.westernsportshop.com/mailman/listinfo/wss-newsletter

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Thanks anyway.

It’s your call. I’ve taken 3 international trips since 9/11 and I would take my chances with checked baggage over trying to carry anything sharp on the plane. — Charlie…

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I’ve made my decision, I’m checking the hooks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks anyway. It’s your call. I’ve taken 3 international trips since 9/11 and I would take my chances with checked baggage over trying to carry anything sharp on the plane. — Charlie…

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I’ve made my decision, I’m checking the hooks.

Best of luck both traveling and fishing! — Charlie…

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I saw a demonstration once on the use of everyday items as weapons.  I think the newspaper is actually deadlier than the Bic razor!!   Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Remember, the airline people are not the screeners….Chances are the person you spoke to was thinking more along the lines of a hook for a baleen whale, We had a good customer who attempted to board a plane with a disposable BIC razor in his carry-on.  Thankfully, the screeners stopped him cold, taking his weapon.  Once through the security checkpoint, he went into the newstand and bought a newspaper and a 3-pack of BIC disposable razors…. ;^) Until things get more sane, I’d probably ship ‘em down early, or pack some into your checked luggage – maybe both… — Jim

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Good idea, but the place I’m going to is really out of the way, and I’ve heard that stuff often doesn’t get there.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you have a contact point in Venezuela like an outfitter or lodge you could arrange to have Fed-x or UPS worldwide to ship your flies down in advance and have them waiting for you. Kinda pricey, but if you’re spending that kind of money to go down there, it might be just another vacation related expense. Going down to Venezuela for peacock bass in January, and I’m planning on taking all my gear in one carry-on bag (plus two travel rod tubes), but the airline tells me NO HOOKS, which means no flies.  Now, when I travel to fishing destinations, I never check anything, you guys know why.  Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, Adam

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I’ve never lost any stuff on an international flight, either (probably because I carry on).  But, during my last trip to Venezuela, one of the folks at the camp didn’t get his stuff until the 7th day of a 9 day stay. He’d been going done there for 10 years, but shit is bound to happen. Thanks anyway.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, I’ve never lost luggage on an international flight, so I’d check my bags – but I’d carry at least one rod and reel on just in case it’s the first time. <g They can’t take off with your bags without you on the plane these days, either. Or, you could try to sneak them on and take the chance of being held up in security while your plane does take off sans you. FWIW — Charlie…

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If you have a contact point in Venezuela like an outfitter or lodge you could arrange to have Fed-x or UPS worldwide to ship your flies down in advance and have them waiting for you. Kinda pricey, but if you’re spending that kind of money to go down there, it might be just another vacation related expense.

We’ve had better luck with DHL-Intenational.  Cheaper than UPS generally, and simpler customs clearance issues. — Jim —      http://www.westernsportshop.com Western Sport Shop Discussion forums –      http://www.westernsportshop.com/forums.html Western Sport Shop Email Newsletter Signup –      http://lists.westernsportshop.com/mailman/listinfo/wss-newsletter

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Remember, the airline people are not the screeners….Chances are the person you spoke to was thinking more along the lines of a hook for a baleen whale,

We had a good customer who attempted to board a plane with a disposable BIC razor in his carry-on.  Thankfully, the screeners stopped him cold, taking his weapon.  Once through the security checkpoint, he went into the newstand and bought a newspaper and a 3-pack of BIC disposable razors…. ;^) Until things get more sane, I’d probably ship ‘em down early, or pack some into your checked luggage – maybe both… — Jim —      http://www.westernsportshop.com Western Sport Shop Discussion forums –      http://www.westernsportshop.com/forums.html Western Sport Shop Email Newsletter Signup –      http://lists.westernsportshop.com/mailman/listinfo/wss-newsletter

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Post 9/11 I went from West Palm Beach-Houston-South padre Isl for red fish. As my guide was supplying the flies, I just took 2 travel rod in aluminum tubes, and my gear bag (sans flies and knives).  However, I was stopped at the x-ray machine and my 51/2" forceps were confiscated.  Luckily I had time to bring them to the check-in counter and they kept them until I got back. I think that the bottom line is that we are all at the mercy of the examiners and not the airlines.  What may be one guy’s interpretation of a weapon, may be another guy’s harmless nose hair picker.  I think that I’ll just check the flies in a non-descript bag and hope they arrive in Caracas with me. By the way, I’m going back to a Peacock bass camp on the banks of the Cinaruco River (about 300 miles south of Caracas).  Let me highly recommend this destination as a place to go if you want a lot of action with al very tough fish.  My first time there, last year in January, I met up with 3 other fly rodders and for 9 days we boated between 20 and 59 fish/each per day.  They averaged around 5#, and I was lucky to catch the biggest of the trip, a 10 and 12 pounded.  This is not the Lake Guri deal.  It is more rustic, the food is good-OK, drinks on the house, there are all three species of peacocks int he water, the biggest goes to around 16-17# (the only negative for those who want the bigger fish).  I normally go to the Caribbean for sight fishing, which I will continue to do, but the action here was so good that I had to do it again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going down to Venezuela for peacock bass in January, and I’m planning on taking all my gear in one carry-on bag (plus two travel rod tubes), but the airline tells me NO HOOKS, which means no flies.  Now, when I travel to fishing destinations, I never check anything, you guys know why.  Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, Adam A bunch of guys from my club going down to Baja post 9/11 were not allowed to take hooks in their carryon going down. They were not allowed to even carry rods on board coming back. I have done quite a bit of international traveling with scuba gear which was way to much to carry on. I have had only one incident of a bag being delayed. There are a couple of things that I am sure help. Go for the easily identifiable luggage that doesn’t advertise that there is expensive sports equipment inside. Know the three letter airport code of your destination and make sure that is on the tag that is attached when you check in. Make sure the tag is attached to something secure on the luggage. Put your name and address inside as well as on the tag you are required to have outside. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971

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Going down to Venezuela for peacock bass in January, and I’m planning on taking all my gear in one carry-on bag (plus two travel rod tubes), but the airline tells me NO HOOKS, which means no flies.  Now, when I travel to fishing destinations, I never check anything, you guys know why.  Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, Adam

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If you have a contact point in Venezuela like an outfitter or lodge you could arrange to have Fed-x or UPS worldwide to ship your flies down in advance and have them waiting for you. Kinda pricey, but if you’re spending that kind of money to go down there, it might be just another vacation related expense.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going down to Venezuela for peacock bass in January, and I’m planning on taking all my gear in one carry-on bag (plus two travel rod tubes), but the airline tells me NO HOOKS, which means no flies.  Now, when I travel to fishing destinations, I never check anything, you guys know why.  Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, Adam

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Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks,

I’ve never lost luggage on an international flight, so I’d check my bags – but I’d carry at least one rod and reel on just in case it’s the first time. <g They can’t take off with your bags without you on the plane these days, either. Or, you could try to sneak them on and take the chance of being held up in security while your plane does take off sans you. FWIW — Charlie…

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Adam, let me ask exactly where you are going… I’ve had no problems heading south, but the last time was before 9-11. Remember, the airline people are not the screeners….Chances are the person you spoke to was thinking more along the lines of a hook for a baleen whale, or maybe one of the narwhale things that made the mermaid legends.  Which, considering what the mores of society have been in the none to recent past and present, doesn’t really surprise me that there might have been a sexual attraction. I AM surprised that there was no viable offspring. john You could always send a package to the guide a couple of weeks before. They generally have good connections in town.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going down to Venezuela for peacock bass in January, and I’m planning on taking all my gear in one carry-on bag (plus two travel rod tubes), but the airline tells me NO HOOKS, which means no flies.  Now, when I travel to fishing destinations, I never check anything, you guys know why.  Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, Adam

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Going down to Venezuela for peacock bass in January, and I’m planning on taking all my gear in one carry-on bag (plus two travel rod tubes), but the airline tells me NO HOOKS, which means no flies.  Now, when I travel to fishing destinations, I never check anything, you guys know why.  Any suggestions on how to overcome the chances of not having any flies when I get there?  Thanks, Adam

A bunch of guys from my club going down to Baja post 9/11 were not allowed to take hooks in their carryon going down. They were not allowed to even carry rods on board coming back. I have done quite a bit of international traveling with scuba gear which was way to much to carry on. I have had only one incident of a bag being delayed. There are a couple of things that I am sure help. Go for the easily identifiable luggage that doesn’t advertise that there is expensive sports equipment inside. Know the three letter airport code of your destination and make sure that is on the tag that is attached when you check in. Make sure the tag is attached to something secure on the luggage. Put your name and address inside as well as on the tag you are required to have outside. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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OH! Shuckie Darn!  I really wasn’t trying to be mean Wolfman.  Just a

Well……hack hack……that’s mighty kind of ya pard…….cough…..hack…..but I’m afraid it’s too late……cough……I think your morbiferous prose has done me proemial manifestations showed up right away…..cough……don’t fret none though……Wayno’s looking into the noxal ramifications…..groan……but by the time the summons arrives I ’spect I’ll have given in to geotaxis…..if ya know what I

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 Last Words     "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."   — Thomas Burnett, in a cell phone conversation with his wife before his hijacked plane crashed. This last call, by Tom Burnett to the love  of his life,  represented actually three worthy men who were about to do something marvelous Charlie.  They put their lives on the line to save (without them even knowing it) THE WHITEHOUSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!   Three men out of nearly three hundred people on four different aircraft stood up to be counted.  My heart and appreciation of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die.  I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free. You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world.

You stupid twisted shithead. You have no idea who knew what. The men on the plane over PA *did* know what had happened to the earlier planes and certainly were heros. You limit your praise to just 3 but again you have no fucking clue. I know it is pointless to try to explain even simple things to you, but it is difficult to stand by while anyone, even an obviously insane idiot, maligns good people and their families. You are truly pathetic. — Charlie…

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of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die. I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free.

George, I KNOW men who are NOT Marines (as much as I respect and love them, the Marines that is) who would gladly have attempted the same thing. Your pontificating as to the others who may (or may not) have tried to thwart the hijackings is beyond belief. You, sir, are an idiot. And like Op said, I would definitely say this to your face. Like the motto from one of America’s finest naval fighter squadrons…..Anytime, Anyplace Baby. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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Last Words     "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."

        if only they were *your* last words, instead of that fine man who uttered them.         fuck you, george. a. wayne harrison

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne?

Regrettably, you don’t appear to be on the side of sanity. May I suggest unwrapping your hand from your dick, taking your medications, and honoring that promise you made to leave ROFF? Oh, wait, "promise, Gerkhe," bad match. — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley

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For the last few years I have mainly lurked on this group and listened to you shoot your mouth off. But when you say that Wayne is on the side of the terrorists you are TALKING THRU YOUR ASS BECAUSE YOUR MOUTH KNOWS BETTER. YOU WOULDN’T KNOW A REAL MAN IF HE JUMPED UP AND BIT YOU IN THE ASS. PLEASE KEEP YOUR PROMISE AND LEAVE ROFF. Kim James

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George, F.O.A.D.

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

        george, do yourself and all the rest of us a true favor.  sit down and review every single response to every single post you have made in the days since the 9/11 tragedy.  what are these people trying to tell you, george?  without exception, they are doing everything in their literary power to force, or even beg, you to leave this group. you exist here only as a laughing stock or a source of enmity, depending upon your mood and the nature of your posts, 99% of which are mindless drivel.         it is simply amazing that your egomania prevents you from seeing the truth.         where are your supporters, george?  you are a sick, lonely man.  please leave. a.w.h.

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   george, do yourself and all the rest of us a true favor.  sit down and review every single response to every single post you have made in the days since the 9/11 tragedy.  what are these people trying to tell you, george?  without exception, they are doing everything in their literary power to force, or even beg, you to leave this group. you exist here only as a laughing stock or a source of enmity, depending upon your mood and the nature of your posts, 99% of which are mindless drivel.    it is simply amazing that your egomania prevents you from seeing the truth.    where are your supporters, george?  you are a sick, lonely man.  please leave. a.w.h.

I’ve kept myself out of this so far, and after this I will do so again. What he said. PLEASE GO AWAY GEORGE!! —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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I agree with Wayne, Charlie, Charles and others. Most of us usually just put up with your asinine comments and tolerate the fact that you’re the biggest asshole on ROFF. This time you’ve managed to insult the memories of all who died on those planes with your ill-informed comments. PLEASE, keep your promise to go away and never come back. Maybe we make a deal. You don’t show your ignorant face around her again, and we won’t try and organize a boycott of the fishing products you sell….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last Words "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."   — Thomas Burnett, in a cell phone conversation with his wife before his hijacked plane crashed. This last call, by Tom Burnett to the love  of his life,  represented actually three worthy men who were about to do something marvelous Charlie.  They put their lives on the line to save (without them even knowing it) THE WHITEHOUSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!   Three men out of nearly three hundred people on four different aircraft stood up to be counted.  My heart and appreciation of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die. I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free. You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg         well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next!

cough, cough, hack, sputter…….he hurt me wayno……i…..i…..cough, cough…..groan…..uncle wally……is that you? Wolfgang hanging on by a thread in the probably vain hope that the restorative waters of the great smokies will restore my wa.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg         well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next! cough, cough, hack, sputter…….he hurt me wayno……i…..i…..cough, cough…..groan…..uncle wally……is that you?

OH! Shuckie Darn!  I really wasn’t trying to be mean Wolfman.  Just a sick sense of humor.  Remember this ole siren, even an ugly duckling turns into a SWAN! Thing is, you’re just like them when they fly.  Flap, flap, flap . . . Me?  I can’t even get off the ground.  Frogs can’t fly. Which reminds me.  Do you know the difference beween a frog and a horny frog? YOU:  "No George.  What’s the difference between a regular frog and a horny frog? A regular frog goes, "Rib-it!  RIB-IT!"  A horny frog goes, "Rub-it! RUB-IT!" Hang tough Wolfgang. Wolfgang hanging on by a thread in the probably vain hope that the restorative waters of the great smokies will restore my wa.

Just look for the frogs Wolfgang. George who hangs around rivers

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

        well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next!

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

wayno, I apologize for stepping on your toes…and sure, it may be a troll… I almost wish I wasn’t doing this, but after a long, hard week, I was treated with a civilised drink, dinner, wine, and all the trimmings, including several after-dinner drinks, just me and my SO – well, mostly, anyway.  Blame it on exhaustion, or simply having had enough of it all, but George, I feel downright psychic – if I ever have the displeasure of coming face to face with you, I can see you shitting teeth, dentures, or whatever else fills the sorry cakehole that passes for your mouth.

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Do you doubt truth?

I’ll bet you sometimes wonder where those teeth marks on your ass come from, right? Wolfgang cowering in anticipation of the blithering retort

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I sincerely hope those are his final words.

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Do you doubt truth? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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Maybe we make a deal. You don’t show your ignorant face around her again, and we won’t try and organize a boycott of the fishing products you sell….

Oops.  Too late. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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You know Wayne, it is amazing to many who stalk Roff around the world that you along with other Easterners (and they know who they are) that "your click of trollers" have been figured out a long time now.  Some things you say is not true.  Yes, have specific opinions about matters regarding the World Trade Center but they are only opinions.  That it is my opinion that the terrorists on all four aircraft should have been challenged and fought with by the male population (customers) on those flights remains intact.  I cannot accept any excuse, even in the face of death or getting hurt that more men didn’t challenge them. Of course I wasn’t there, of course you weren’t there, but my opinions are just as justifiable as yours or anyone else’s.   I

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Well, a couple of weeks ago when I got my first fly rod, I wasn’t sure whether the reel was left or right handed, and it took me quite a while to figure out how to put all of the tackle together.  With the help of some newsgroup posters and lurkers I managed to put it all together. (I was a hunter 30 years ago, but have never been a fisherman until this summer).  On Sunday I went to Childrens lake in Boiling Springs, PA (just a few miles from my home) and practiced casting for a while.  Took my 9-year-old son along, and spent most of my time untangling his tackle for him, but I did get some good casting practice in.  Monday morning I hit the Yellow Breeches alone, tried various flies, and after an hour or so – Success !!  Caught my first brook trout, a nice 10-incher.  Fished the rest of the day without further success, but I was really happy about that first hit.  I’m definitely hooked !

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, a couple of weeks ago when I got my first fly rod, I wasn’t sure whether the reel was left or right handed, and it took me quite a while to figure out how to put all of the tackle together.  With the help of some newsgroup posters and lurkers I managed to put it all together. (I was a hunter 30 years ago, but have never been a fisherman until this summer).  On Sunday I went to Childrens lake in Boiling Springs, PA (just a few miles from my home) and practiced casting for a while.  Took my 9-year-old son along, and spent most of my time untangling his tackle for him, but I did get some good casting practice in.  Monday morning I hit the Yellow Breeches alone, tried various flies, and after an hour or so – Success !!  Caught my first brook trout, a nice 10-incher.  Fished the rest of the day without further success, but I was really happy about that first hit.  I’m definitely hooked ! </PRE</HTML

That’s a great story Brian.   Glad to have you in the fly fishing fraternity. What fly did you end up catching the brookie on? Was it wet or dry. Dream of the possibilities. Joel Axelrad

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Brian, congratulations on the catch.. now, get that second mortgage all worked up so you can get a bunch of gear and go nutty over minor itty bitty gizmos for the ol’ vest.  Congrats, edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, a couple of weeks ago when I got my first fly rod, I wasn’t sure whether the reel was left or right handed, and it took me quite a while to figure out how to put all of the tackle together.  With the help of some newsgroup posters and lurkers I managed to put it all together. (I was a hunter 30 years ago, but have never been a fisherman until this summer). On Sunday I went to Childrens lake in Boiling Springs, PA (just a few miles from my home) and practiced casting for a while.  Took my 9-year-old son along, and spent most of my time untangling his tackle for him, but I did get some good casting practice in.  Monday morning I hit the Yellow Breeches alone, tried various flies, and after an hour or so – Success !!  Caught my first brook trout, a nice 10-incher.  Fished the rest of the day without further success, but I was really happy about that first hit.  I’m definitely hooked !

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   Monday morning I hit the Yellow Breeches alone, tried various flies, and after an hour or so – Success !!  Caught my first brook trout, a nice 10-incher.  Fished the rest of the day without further success, but I was really happy about that first hit.  I’m definitely hooked !

   That’s not bad at all. When I took up flyfishing, it was 600 round trip miles to good trout water, and I drove it five times before achieving your level of success.

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Congratulations Brian!  Your post brought back fond memories for me. When I was attending grad school at U. of Maryland in the early eighties, I’d sometimes bag a day of classes and drive up to PA and fish the Breeches.  Be sure to spend some time on Falling Spring Branch too. A lovely stream (at least it used to be). JR

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I know Falling Spring well.  I went to high school in Chambersburg and spent a lot of time in the area as my best friend lived on Falling Spring Road. Haven’t been back there in many years, though.  I’ll have to check it out one day in the fall.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations Brian!  Your post brought back fond memories for me. When I was attending grad school at U. of Maryland in the early eighties, I’d sometimes bag a day of classes and drive up to PA and fish the Breeches.  Be sure to spend some time on Falling Spring Branch too. A lovely stream (at least it used to be). JR

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Wish I could remember for sure which fly it was, but I think it was a tan caddis, probably a  14. I’ve already accumulated two big boxes full of flies !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, a couple of weeks ago when I got my first fly rod, I wasn’t sure whether the reel was left or right handed, and it took me quite a while to figure out how to put all of the tackle together.  With the help of some newsgroup posters and lurkers I managed to put it all together. (I was a hunter 30 years ago, but have never been a fisherman until this summer). On Sunday I went to Childrens lake in Boiling Springs, PA (just a few miles from my home) and practiced casting for a while.  Took my 9-year-old son along, and spent most of my time untangling his tackle for him, but I did get some good casting practice in.  Monday morning I hit the Yellow Breeches alone, tried various flies, and after an hour or so – Success !!  Caught my first brook trout, a nice 10-incher.  Fished the rest of the day without further success, but I was really happy about that first hit.  I’m definitely hooked ! </PRE</HTML That’s a great story Brian. Glad to have you in the fly fishing fraternity. What fly did you end up catching the brookie on? Was it wet or dry. Dream of the possibilities. Joel Axelrad

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Monday morning I hit the Yellow Breeches alone, tried various flies, and after an hour or so – Success !!  Caught my first brook trout, a nice 10-incher.  Fished the rest of the day without further success, but I was really happy about that first hit.  I’m definitely hooked !

That’s great.  Don’t get discouraged – contrary to appearances and what you may have heard, I found that can be a tough stream.  You will find easier (and toughher!) water.  Good luck! Regards, Jeff

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I’ve used numerous patterns for sockeye over the years and allways seem to end up tying versions of the boss in orange or chartreuse. I’m curious if anyone else has a favorite pattern for Alaska sockeye. DanO

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 Not Dan, but Steve.  Sorry for the mix-up.

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I’ve used numerous patterns for sockeye over the years and allways seem to end up tying versions of the boss in orange or chartreuse. I’m curious if anyone else has a favorite pattern for Alaska sockeye. DanO

Dan?  Try a white bellied Streamer with a LIGHT BLUE over back with just a couple of strands of pearl crystal hair along the sides.  I tie these using Fish-Fuzz and they are deadly on ALL salmon types in Alaska because of the sea minnows this streamer pattern represents in the Gulf of Alaska. http://www.gink.com/products/gg_fishfuzz.html I never go to Alaska without a set of these or a variety of streamers.  These streamers are best on Sockeye just before they enter the streams.  Actually, once you’re fishing in the rivers with them packed in, it doesn’t matter much what you use.  You can almost forget about matching anything at all.  Just drift something among those nasty tempered rascals and you will wish you had not. For sake of good order, look between the voids for the big rainbows that are feeding on salmon eggs.  It takes some doing to get used to seeing them because they blend so well against the gravel.  This is where drifting a tied salmon egg fly works well.  But you can have even greater sport on these rainbows which grow to large sizes. Just remember this.  If it wasn’t for the protein rich salmon egges that a great number just wash away, Alaskan Rainbows wouldn’t be growing that big nor would the grayling.  Salmon eggs are a great source of food for aquatic life in this area. You are going to have fun. Mr. G.

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What’s the most expesive fly you’ve ever bought? I mean a fly that you’ve actually used; not some collector’s item salmon fly mounted in a frame that you hang on the wall. I’ll bet I can top it.

I dunno, I went into the Fishhawk in Atlanta a few years back to buy some BWO, came out with a cane rod and they gave me the flies for free, Does that count? Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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What’s the most expesive fly you’ve ever bought? I mean a fly that you’ve actually used; not some collector’s item salmon fly mounted in a frame that you hang on the wall. I’ll bet I can top it. I dunno, I went into the Fishhawk in Atlanta a few years back to buy some BWO, came out with a cane rod and they gave me the flies for free, Does that count?

It depends, Wayne. How many flies did they "give" you? You’d have to divide the cost of the rod by the number of flies, but then you’d still have the rod. So I guess is doesn’t count. Now if you actually wanted the flies but not the rod, and the only way they’d sell you the flies was with the rod … My most expensive fly was an ordinary beadhead nymph. I was fishing some high water in May, snagged it on the other side of the stream, and took a bath going to retrieve it, ruining the $600 camera I was foolishly carrying. I just got a digital camera but I don’t yet have a waterproof case. (Soon!) I won’t wade in more than 6" of water if I’m carrying it. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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my own slamon flies but a few I have bought.  I paid $95 for an Art Flick Cream Variant.  Looking back, I think I got soaked.  I have two Poul Jorgensen speys that I paid $60 for the both.  Mary Dette will sell you her dries & nymphs for $2.50 a piece yet.  Fran Betters will tie you on order for 2 bucks per fly.  I much prefer trading, though.  John Gierach has a "Trade Wind" that I tied, and in exchange I have two Labrador drakes, a hopper, and a stonefly.  He is actually a real good tier.  Ed Shenk has a Ruby butterfly of mine (probably in a desk drawer.)  My next target is Gary Lafontaine.  If anybody can give me his mailing address, can I have it?  He won’t answer my emails! Pete C

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I have some gorilla charlies tied from fur gathered from a mature silvertip lowland gorilla by a zoo vet.  The were free but would probably be somewhat difficult  to replace.

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______  In this case, it isn’t a question of ‘expensive’ even though a dry fly tied by George Harvey is now going for $125 each.  There is a limited number of these jewels of dry fly perfection in THIS MANS remaining lifetime.  No George is still with us, (Thank You Lord!) but the fact remains, he is probably ‘thee’ premier dry fly tier in the world.  With eye sight failing, George (The Dry Fly Man) Harvey probably ties the best dry flies in the world.  There is no one his equal or superior.  He is an icon of ‘the craft.’   I can tie dry flies nearly as nice as George Harvey’s but I had tying lessons by  him and I was a very inattentive student.  I watched HOW he USED his hands, his fingers, his wrists.  I spent hours watching him, right by his side in many Eastern Fly Tying Shows.  To watch George tie just ONE FLY is enough information to turn on six more light bulbs in ones head.  It isn’t so much the things you remember but the many little things you miss.  The subtitles, the way the feathers are placed, a dozen things slips by even an experts eye.  One has to see him tie more than one, to get it right. The fact is, a George Harvey tied dry fly is worth more than just money.  I have several dozen of these flies which I have paid George a small fortune for.  He chuckles at my sincerity regarding his value to the world of Fly Fishing.  Those flies are now sitting in a safe.  The question is, would anyone here fish with one of these flies AFTER paying $125 or more for one? I would.  In fact, I do.  They sit on the water, like magic.  He sits on my shoulder watching the drift.   And the trout cometh. Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://216.55.26.157/vchat/   http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com (Bamboo Is Fun) http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Aye Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So lets do it, henceforth no replies to obvious political rants or other similar inflammatory trolls. All agreed say "aye". This is not moderation or control, just good sense and self defence. You are right, otherwise ROFF will be ruined. Mike Connor

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Thanks for the spelling lesson. At some point you agreed that you were guilty of the very act that you are trying to correct. Yes, in other words you saw the shit, and you went up to it and firmly planted your two feet right in the middle. Yes, am I correct here? I too, saw the same shit, and it had a foul smell, so I walked around it and now it’s on your boots and not mine. It is strange how we choose our pathways in life. I’m not perfect mind you. This is the third winter that I’ve hung here and every winter it is the same thing. Tempers start getting hot and the rhetoric gets heated on one or more issues. You and I are blessed the we have mild winters compared to some of the others in the group. Even the lack of real sunshine can have a dreary effect on the soul. The best way to avoid a fight is not to be there in the first. I choose to have some distance. At least my boots stay cleaner for longer periods. Well, did my spelling improve?   — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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        i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.         can we do this? wayno

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Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC

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Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC

  It must be the water here in NC. Good stuff. Andy, where do you fish? If you’re ever up this way….get in touch. –Walt

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HEAR HEAR! Wayne To fish is human…To release divine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.    can we do this? wayno

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snip< when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.

This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word.   A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult.   We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it. more good stuff snipped< i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this?

Wayno is right on here.   We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here.   Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that I too have found disturbing.   We have no faces here, only our opinions and advice.   If one trolls for a response by posting opinions that do not truly represent who they are, how are we to get to know them?   How are we to trust their opinions on other subjects?   Trolling is dishonest and it breeds mistrust.   It lowers my estimation of the perpetrator.   If you have an opinion, I’d love to hear it and discuss it with you, but don’t yank my chain and waste my time for your own amusement. Many posters here seem to know others personally.  Most of us, however, do not have that honor, and must get to know you through what you post.   Wayno is right that we waste a lot of energy ranting & trolling.   This NG, more than any other I’ve read, seems to be populated by real people, my kind of people, people I wouldn’t mind sharing a bottle with.   We spend too muct time wasting that. Joe

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Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC

Yep.  Look at it this way:  if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics.  I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery  I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner

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i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.    can we do this?

I doubt it.  There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks.  There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic.   Later,      - Ken

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? I doubt it.  There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks.  There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic. Later,     – Ken

    actually, kj, that’s not my point.  i know we can’t avoid "disagreements"; in fact, "disagreements", including heated ones, can be quite entertaining and educational.  it’s just that there are a very few (again, politics and religion, specifically) that seem to engender vicious diatribes, or quickly dissolve into mindless personal quibbles.  therefore, i propose to simply not create or contribute to threads containing subject matter of this nature. wayno

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Joe writes replying to Wayno: <<Wayno is right on here.   We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here.   Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that (more good stuff snipped) I agree.  I could never understand why someone would troll.  Hell, it sure ain’t fly fishing.  To "pull someones chain", cause them embarass- ment because they sincerely answered a "troll", is not the sign of a true sportsman.  I have more than contributed my fair share of political rhetoric on these pages, but I don’t think I have ever trolled. Sitting around a campfire teasing and trolling is a lot different than doing it online. Dave LaCourse

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NO MORE WHINING, PLEASE!    (hehe) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.    can we do this? wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.         can we do this? wayno

refrain from doing so any more. dumb bastards. George ‘kill the world for a job: Visit: http://www.gink.com

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 This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word.   A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult.   We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it.

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Yep.  Look at it this way:  if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics.  I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery  I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner

guessing and our remaining Virgin Forests would be saved for the children of the future?  We are past reality regarding when forests are endangered.  It is now time to stop the carnage.  What does it take to do it?  Trees without spikes for life in them? New bumper sticker:  "TREES!  Spiked for life!" not – "Chainsaw Employment Forever" —

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Big river, or small creek, with just enough fish to be challenging and *no* other people around is quality.  The rest is fluff.

Interesting concept.  I would partially agree with you in that the number of fish doesnt’ control the quality of the experience.  Where I would disagree with you is when you use a small number of fish present as a positive measure of quality.  You want to be challenged, avoid the easy pocket water where you know you can pick up twenty a day.  Control your behavior (no not you personaly, you as in all of us), protect the environment (insert your definition here), and the rest will take care of itself. phil

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 If we hook and play a number that causes the memory to blur, the appreciation to faden then WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE ETHICAL LIMIT. My opinion" snip

I agree with the premiss that the excitement of fishing is the reuslt of not knowing whether you will catch fish on a given stretch of river on a given day.  It is those days when I struggle to catch fish that make my succesful days exciting and rewarding.  Those struggling days provide a definition of successful ones.  A good example of this was last spring when I was still working very hard to catch any fish on a dry fly.  I would fish all day and catch one or two small trout.  One day I hit a Hendrickson hatch that was unbelievable.  I stood in the rain on six foot wide stream throwing without a fisherman in sight and caught more 13-15" trout (that is a nice fish here in Minnesota) than I could count.  I know because at first I was counting.  I rememeber getting to 25.  At some point after twenty five I just stopped fishing.  It wasn’t dark yet and the fish were still biting but I stopped.  I was bored.  It was too easy. I fished that stream around 50 times last year.  I never had another day like that.  Still, the memory of that day and a possible repeat is what got me out of bed at 3:00am to drive 80 miles to that same stream.  I don’t think I would fish that stream if I caught fish like that every time.  I also don’t think I would fish that stream if it were packed with fishermen (I saw a total of two fishermen all year).  I think I would go somewhere more challenging and rationalize it by saying it had bigger fish or more exciting fish to fight or less people. Mike H

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How much is enough? What is reasonable gratification? I feel strongly that each of these splendid wild creatures deserves to be individually remembered and appreciated. If we hook and play a number that causes the memory to blur, the                                                     ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ appreciation to fade then WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE ETHICAL LIMIT. My opinion" I concur in this!  As I have said before, this is how I make my decision to stop fishing. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, ORSorry boys, BUT I WANT TO CATCH SO MANY FISH THAT I CAN’T REMEMBER ANY

OF THE "NORMAL" FISH, JUST ALL OF THE GIANTS. (I release most anyway!)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe there is one thing Tim and Myself may be able to agree on and I hope so can most other readers of this group. Quality; angling should be about quality. I came across this in "Wild Steelhead and Salmon" V3 No 2 Winter 1997 from Bob linsenman’s 10 ways to Seduce Michigan Steelhead "Under the right conditions it is more than possible , it is probable, that a reasonably skilled fly angler will hook up in excess of 10 times over the course of a day. And that same skilled angler will bring to hand a high percentage of hooked fish. How much is enough? What is reasonable gratification? I feel strongly that each of these splendid wild creatures deserve s to be individually remembered and appreciated. If we hook and play a number that causes the memory to blur, the appreciation to faden then WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE ETHICAL LIMIT. My opinion" All emphasis is mine

You’re going to get mad at me…in advance 8^)… My serious contention with C&R is just that.  It reduces the quality of the experience 10 fold.  What happiness is there in catching a fish in an area with a fish behind every stick ? or an angler around every bend ?   Big river, or small creek, with just enough fish to be challenging and *no* other people around is quality.  The rest is fluff. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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How much is enough? What is reasonable gratification? I feel strongly that each of these splendid wild creatures deserve s to be individually remembered and appreciated. If we hook and play a number that causes the memory to blur, the appreciation to faden then WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE ETHICAL LIMIT. My opinion" All emphasis is mine Ralph H

I agree. One steelhead is a great day.  Ten or twenty days of fishing between hookups makes that one fish even more rewarding. Even trout get boring if you don’t have the occasional day where nothing works, to help bring some mystery and questioning back to it. Mark Vinsel — http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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How much is enough? What is reasonable gratification? I feel strongly that each of these splendid wild creatures deserves to be individually remembered and appreciated. If we hook and play a number that causes the memory to blur, the                                                          ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ appreciation to fade then WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE ETHICAL LIMIT. My opinion"

I concur in this!  As I have said before, this is how I make my decision to stop fishing. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley       2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Internet Direct SNIP    I came across this in "Wild Steelhead and Salmon" V3 No 2 Winter 1997    from Bob linsenman’s 10 ways to Seduce Michigan Steelhead    "Under the right conditions it is more than possible , it is     probable, that a d reasonably skilled fly angler will hook up in     excess of 10 times over the course of a day. And that same skilled     angler will bring to hand a high percentage of hooked fish.    How much is enough? What is reasonable gratification? I feel    strongly that each of these splendid wild creatures deserve s to be    individually remembered and appreciated. SNIP    Ralph H Not to disagree with you in any way (I too worship steelhead), but it struck me as odd to see an article about Michigan Steelhead in a magazine called "Wild Steelhead and Atlantic Salmon".  They should start a magazine called "Introduced and Hatchery Steelhead and Atlantic Salmon" for this topic.  Though, I should say that I’ve never really understood the scope of this magazine anyway. cheers,         -tgades

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I believe there is one thing Tim and Myself may be able to agree on and I hope so can most other readers of this group. Quality; angling should be about quality. I came across this in "Wild Steelhead and Salmon" V3 No 2 Winter 1997 from Bob linsenman’s 10 ways to Seduce Michigan Steelhead "Under the right conditions it is more than possible , it is probable, that a reasonably skilled fly angler will hook up in excess of 10 times over the course of a day. And that same skilled angler will bring to hand a high percentage of hooked fish. How much is enough? What is reasonable gratification? I feel strongly that each of these splendid wild creatures deserve s to be individually remembered and appreciated. If we hook and play a number that causes the memory to blur, the appreciation to faden then WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE ETHICAL LIMIT. My opinion" All emphasis is mine Ralph H

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Will be at Denali Park entrance area in mid August, any dry fly creeks wadeable within walking or hitching distance that are not loaded with Glacier flour?

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Will be at Denali Park entrance area in mid August, any dry fly creeks wadeable within walking or hitching distance that are not loaded with Glacier flour?

The clearwater side streams have small grayling but you might find them, (the streams,) hard to reach.  I’d take some wet patterns with me too.  One high percentage shot is floating mouse or shrew patterns on the local lakes for pike.  Almost any lake you see in that country holds northern pike.  I’d recommend wire leaders. R. Wood in Alaska

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Is there such a thing?  I’d love to drive into the mountains, meet a bunch of other homebrewers at about 10000′ (ASL), pitch a tent, stoke a fire, and swap homebrew, fly fish, lie about our SO’s, and forget about work for 48 hours.  Who’s in?  I’d suggest late-June to mid-July just because it’s going to take time to get this thing going.   email me.   — | 12459 W. Atlantic Ave | 303/763-8118 (Home) | 4725 Independence Street | | Lakewood, CO 80228    | 303/467-8352 (Work) | Wheat Ridge,  CO 80033   |

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Are you seriously opposed to bait fishermen?  I might be in.

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Once upon a time after a full day of fishing I tied on a olive

wooly bugger, turned around and cast down stream and let all of my line out in the current.  The I started reeling, yes thats right reeling the line back in.  And guess what.  The trout loved it. Hope I am not stipped of my rod and waders for admit<<< Hey, they call that slamming fish where i come from, and its a hell of technique.  Works great for steelhead and salmon. Tom — "For the love of the fly, the cycle of spring, and all things that remind us of nature’s cruel dance."

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Colin Albert writes: My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I saidit.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the onlyone that ties this on when nothing is working???

I use the Royal Wulff #14 on small mountain streams in New Mexico. It is the best single producer for me. I wonder how much color can be seen from below water, and how much the fisherman can see. May improve the fisherman’s odds ? Nothing makes a more attentive fisherman than a fly that he thinks is going to work ! Arch Thiessen an indian trader from Santa Fe ******* Arch Thiessen                                                 "never put off ’till tomorrow what can be put off ’till next week" . . . anon

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My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I saidit.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the onlyone that ties this on when nothing is working???

I’ve caught alot of Brown Trout on the Royal Wulff in the small lakes in the hills of Mid Wales. It seems to work especially well in a flat calm and can bring fish to the surface if twitched rather than fished static. I’m never sure if this is simply because of the disturbance caused or whether the pattern has something to do with it. A Grey Wulff of the same size doesn’t seem to have the same effect. Any answers? Oliver Hides BBC Wales Cardiff.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I saidit.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the onlyone that ties this on when nothing is working??? I’ve caught alot of Brown Trout on the Royal Wulff in the small lakes in the hills of Mid Wales. It seems to work especially well in a flat calm and can bring fish to the surface if twitched rather than fished static. I’m never sure if this is simply because of the disturbance caused or whether the pattern has something to do with it. A Grey Wulff of the same size doesn’t seem to have the same effect. Any answers? Oliver Hides BBC Wales Cardiff.

Once upon a time after a full day of fishing I tied on a olive wooly bugger, turned around and cast down stream and let all of my line out in the current.  The I started reeling, yes thats right reeling the line back in.  And guess what.  The trout loved it. Hope I am not stipped of my rod and waders for admitting this. heheh Tom

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: : : : I’ve caught alot of Brown Trout on the Royal Wulff in the small lakes in the : hills of Mid Wales. It seems to work especially well in a flat calm : and can bring fish to the surface if twitched rather than fished static. I’m : never sure if this is simply because of the disturbance caused or whether the : Once upon a time after a full day of fishing I tied on a olive wooly bugger, : turned around and cast down stream and let all of my line out in the current. :  The I started reeling, yes thats right reeling the line back in.  And guess : what.  The trout loved it. Hope I am not stipped of my rod and waders for : admitting this. heheh : Tom Anyone who would strip you of anything for catching fish on a particular fly is just a snob.  I have had lots of luck with wooly buggers as well as Royal Wulffs.  I think the Royal Wulff is a beautiful fly and is described by the original tyer Lee Wulff as a nice desert for fish…

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