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. Cheap rod a child can use I should have mentioned, this is for a 2 year old. Rick

Depends on fishing habits and conditions. Your normal habits will of course have to change, mainly taking turns while the "sitter" of the moment explores nature, a little splashing, turning over rocks, touching moss-bark-worms-mud etc. a chest pak carrier (with the child facing forward) provides security, restraint, and mobility.  Of course the child will not remember it later but you will, as a most wondrous phase in your lives. I can tell you that as the family grows your fishing habits will continue change culminating with a trip with the grand children. Maybe if you are as lucky as me, Great grand children and the realization of how blessed your life has been and what fun fishing buddies you have.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past– Really.  I was waiting for some wag to suggest giving the kid a box of treble hooks the night before and then letting the doctors and your HMO take care of it from there, or something in equally poor taste…<G. Seriously, I liked the idea of taking the child, but the parents taking turns fishing.  Heck, by three or four, I was fishing – not quite with a fly yet, and not quite catching much (I’m not sure if I even had a complete hook – hey, if it’s not dynamite or electricity, it’s called _fishing_, not catching), but it taught me patience, etc. If that’s not practical, Peter’s idea seems pretty decent – maybe even find another couple in similar position (or even better, one non-fisher) and three can fish while one watches the kiddos. TC, R

BRAGGING RIGHTS::: At four my great grandson caught his first trophy large mouth, "gramps" cast,(we hadn’t known he was a lefty then) and lipped it. He did the rest. 21.5" of galloping bass, I’m surprised you didn’t hear me whooping.

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Will send you a video one day just to prove it )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying. LOL.  This is one of the funniest lines I’ve read on ROFF (I hope you intended it that way) and a sure candidate for Brutally Honest Comment of the Year. JR

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"Jo" < Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.

… Bad habits can be broken…… john

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You havent met my kids with a fishing rod 2 out of three are officially hyperactive and the other one is a budding self absorbed model god forbid any dirt attaching itself to that one. Fishing is actually stressful with them.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Jo" < Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying. … Bad habits can be broken…… john

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

I’ve got an almost-two year old myself, and I went on two vacations in two months–Maui in December and Orlando in January. During the trip to Maui, my mother came up from Raleigh, NC to PA and stayed at our house with the baby.  Baby sleeps in her own bed, gets spoiled by grandma for 8 days, loves it.  Baby learns to say "Hawaii" and locate the islands on the globe.  Mom & Dad enjoy the islands for a week. During the trip to FL, my grandmother & aunt (both live practically next door) shared the same duties as my mom did a month earlier.  Baby sleeps in own bed, gets spoiled by auntie & great-grandma for a 4-day weekend.  Mom & Dad bring home ‘mouse ears’ for baby, in an effort to remove the mouse ears, baby snaps elastic chin strap against face, cries vigorously.  Mom & Dad supress laughter (mostly). My tactic so far has been simple:  don’t take the kid. I share your dilemma.  Life with two year old is not really the ideal situation for spending day after day astream, especially if Mom wants to go fishing as badly as Dad does… The ‘find a couple and share babysitting’ plan is a good one.  You could probably get 6 weekends/year from that plan.  One weekend/month/couple:  one month you babysit, one month they babysit. If your life is anything like mine (hectic), one weekend every other month is probably as often as you can get away. Basically, my advice is this:  FAMILY.  Grandparents, great- grandparents (if your child is so lucky) aunts & uncles, etc.  They’re the best babysitters money can buy (free), and they’ll treat your child like family–obviously.  And most kids think of grandma or a favorite aunt/uncle as being at least as fun as the county fair, if not better. If you can get a family member to staty at your house, so much the better.  Thell them to pay-per-view anything they’d like, give them some $$$ for ordering pizza, etc., and make sure they know where the local park is and how to get there. If you don’t have any family in driving distance, consider moving. Unless, that is, you live far from family by design. <g  In which case I have no worthwhile advice for you. Some weekends, I’d give anything for a few hours of privacy (wink wink, nod nod) with the spousal unit.  I don’t care if the baby lives on M&Ms and Potato Chips for the entire weekend–just make sure there’s no crying in the background when I call to see how things are and I’ll have a good time without baby. With the upcomping Penns Clave, the wife & I are considering buying a big cabin tent (we live less than an hour from Coburn) and taking baby camping for the first time.  I’ve got some misgivings about exposing wife and baby to ROFFians, but it’s a possibility.  Wife doesn’t fly fish (yet), and baby will probably want to throw rocks in creek all day, but I’ve yet to find a better way to spend lots of time at the Clave.  Since we’re less than an hour from home, the worst that could happen is that we all go home at night. Tom G constantly struggling to find time to fish

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Not only family but friends are good resources.  Last time we took boys fishing (one good ol’ boy and one city boy), we went with Ol’ Whiskerface’s buddy.  One day, I’d take the kids sightseeing (indian ruins, big rocks, A&W rootbeer), the next day one or both menfolks would take one or both boys fishing, while I caught dinner.  We kinda "spread the wealth."  Now both boys all groan up and never call their mother.  Enjoy the little beggers while you can. Bob’s Wife in El Paso. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Basically, my advice is this:  FAMILY.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

Really.  I was waiting for some wag to suggest giving the kid a box of treble hooks the night before and then letting the doctors and your HMO take care of it from there, or something in equally poor taste…<G. Seriously, I liked the idea of taking the child, but the parents taking turns fishing.  Heck, by three or four, I was fishing – not quite with a fly yet, and not quite catching much (I’m not sure if I even had a complete hook – hey, if it’s not dynamite or electricity, it’s called _fishing_, not catching), but it taught me patience, etc. If that’s not practical, Peter’s idea seems pretty decent – maybe even find another couple in similar position (or even better, one non-fisher) and three can fish while one watches the kiddos.   TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Life as you knew is over. Some good tips in this thread but none that will make it like it was.  One reason there is so many geezers in roff is they have to wait till the kids leave and the dog dies to get back to fly fishing.  Fish when you can enjoy the kid. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it.

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?      None of my exes ever minded being left back at the cabin to watch the kids. Ummm, let me reword that, umm oh cripes, I think I’m starting to understand something.                   Charlie,                   getting in touch with my feminine side

    I think I know what you’re saying. My wife, when annoyed one time after I came home from a six hour round, asked me if I ever wondered why the 3 other guys in my Sunday morning foursome are all divorced.                                     Kelly

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[snip]     I think I know what you’re saying. My wife, when annoyed one time after I came home from a six hour round, asked me if I ever wondered why the 3 other guys in my Sunday morning foursome are all divorced.                                     Kelly

the answers are: "Because I have a wonderful wife and their wives were real B^%$^s"  or "Now don’t go putting any silly ideas in my head"

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I was expecting to hear something about lodges with rivers and kid programs, but I’d forgotten the warmth, creativity and thoughtfulness of this list. Several of the responses had me roaring with laughter. Thanks. Rick

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I was expecting to hear something about lodges with rivers and kid programs, but I’d forgotten the warmth, creativity and thoughtfulness of this list. Several of the responses had me roaring with laughter. Thanks. Rick

All in a days work, Rick! As a single guy for 42 years, you damn sure don’t want a serious reply from me.  Besides, I wouldn’t have a clue what to suggest.  But I have heard that bears are nurturing critters, to a point. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Seriously I think the only thing that would come close is taking the kid,…I have a friend who had been fly fishing with her dad since the age of 3 she is now 50 and coaches top fly fishers herself. Some of us are really lucky to have understanding spouses, in fact mine cancelled a golf afternoon without a blink because I planned to go fishing away for a weekend and forgot to tell him. Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.

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Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.

LOL.  This is one of the funniest lines I’ve read on ROFF (I hope you intended it that way) and a sure candidate for Brutally Honest Comment of the Year. JR

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

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Cheap rod a child can use

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

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. Cheap rod a child can use I should have mentioned, this is for a 2 year old. Rick

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?

Each of you fish half a day. There’ll be plenty of time for romance fishing when the kid’s older. –Steve (hey, you asked…)

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Children are God’s way of telling you that you have no business enjoying life. As toddlers they take up your time because they are helpless otherwise. As adolescents they must be shuttled to and fro from one activity to the next. As teenagers they are mean, nasty, vulgar little shits that may or may not require bail. As young adults they seem to have finally gotten their shit together, but will eventually destroy what is left of your sanity. As full grown adults they will fight with their siblings over some supposed fortune you are planning to leave, and then place you and your spouse in separate retirement homes. Realize of course that I speak from experience as a single guy.  BTW, mom and dad left me with nothing and they are presently communicating via the USPS, because I wouldn’t pay to have phone installed in their rooms at Shady Lake and Happy Trails Retirement Centers. Opie  –Bastard Son–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick

Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever.  The couples take turns looking after the other’s child.  Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter

Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Damn!  I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it. Peter

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Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?

     None of my exes ever minded being left back at the cabin to watch the kids. Ummm, let me reword that, umm oh cripes, I think I’m starting to understand something.                   Charlie,                   getting in touch with my feminine side

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Everyone knows there isn’t any real good fishing in CA. If you wantgood fishing you have to back East ’bout Carolina way…  ;-) There are a few well known places however that are descent…you might try the Trinity River or the Sacremento. -Greg

Greg, Bad info.  The last known trout in NC was caught by a bait fisherman while trespassing in Matt McCray’s back yard about a month ago.  He told us the gory tale on this very newsgroup. Nope, NC’s NOT the place. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "Never send a ferret to do a weasel’s job."

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Bad info.  The last known trout in NC was caught by a bait fisherman while trespassing in Matt McCray’s back yard about a month ago.  He told us the gory tale on this very newsgroup. Nope, NC’s NOT the place. Tom —

and he tasted damn good! waldo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greg, Bad info.  The last known trout in NC was caught by a bait fisherman while trespassing in Matt McCray’s back yard about a month ago.  He told us the gory tale on this very newsgroup. Nope, NC’s NOT the place. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "Never send a ferret to do a weasel’s job."

Right you are Tom. The slackjawed redneck killed the last Appalachian Brookie known to man. Of course I had to sacrifice his life, Them redneck hides make good rugs you know! The hair off the back ties a good bugger too, I just haven’t figured out how to get that chili dog/sweat smell out of ‘em. Any ideas? Matt M

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I just haven’t figured out how to get that chili dog/sweat smell out of

‘em.  Any ideas? Shoot, Ah don’t see wah’ yer so worried ’bout that.  Jes’ soak the whole mess of ‘em in a big ol’ pot o’ Luzianna Hot Sauce.  That’ll clean up purt’ near anythin’, and them fish jes’ LUVS it!  Uh…you ARE fishin’ fer catfish, raht? — Bob "…I could’a been a Bubba…I could’a been somebody!" Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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are certainly much better places to fish in Northern CA (by far)

Greg, I would be very interested and appreciative if you would list off a couple of those places.  I just moved to the east bay and have weekends off for the first time in 4 years, so I am almost insane to go fly fishing.  Any places (just general areas) you could point me would be greatly appreciated.  Don’t want/can’t afford any guides though, I just want places to go. Levi -Whether you’re rich or poor, it’s nice to have money

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are certainly much better places to fish in Northern CA (by far) Greg, I would be very interested and appreciative if you would list off a couple of those places.

Everyone knows there isn’t any real good fishing in CA. If you wantgood fishing you have to back East ’bout Carolina way…  ;-) There are a few well known places however that are descent…you might try the Trinity River or the Sacremento. -Greg

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. If you wantgood fishing you have to back East ’bout Carolina way…  ;-)    that statement is an obvious, shameful misrepresentation.  all the

trout in the north carolina mountains fled for the tennessee side of the smokies years ago.         wayno, shootin ya straight

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Hello friends, is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april? Harry

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Call Sweeney’s Sports in Napa.  They should be able to help you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello friends, is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april?

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I haven’t found much in Napa Valley proper, but the large creek that drains Berryessa (sp?) is not that far to the east.  I’m sure someone lurking knows the name of it.  Also, the Russian River is not much further north and it has smallmouth bass and supposedly trout too. Good luck. —                                                       -dnc- Harald Heisserer wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april?

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Hi Harry, Your best best in/near the Napa Valley is "Putah Creek". It flows out of Lake Berryessa. You might want to consult a map of the area. There are certainly much better places to fish in Northern CA (by far) but Putah is the closest to Napa. If you are here in March you might try the Russian River as the steelhead are usually still here. This however is more hit and miss (as all steelhead fishing is). -Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello friends, is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april? Harry

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Hi you guys.  I just read a national weather prognostication that says we may be in the beginning of a possible long lasting drought that could last for years and that we may see a lot of streams drying up in the future.  It could be worse than the dust bowl days.  Maybe we should start teaching the fish to breath air for their oxygen? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get Mark Faulkner(Snipped) I am (Snipped)

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Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get to the Little J all that much, since Spring Creek is in by back yard, but I’ll email you separately with some additional information. The question now is whether all these streams will dry up.  The upper end of Spring Creek (going through Boalsburg) is dry, as is a major trib of Spring Creek (Slab Cabin Run); some major fish kills have occurred.  Haven’t seen the Little J recently.  Pray for rain, and lots of it. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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Jim Marlin schrieb in Nachricht Welcome back to the fold Jim !  Hope you find a good fishing partner.  Hope you enjoy ROFF as well. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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Looking for a  good campsite on a lake or river for fly fishing for trout in Denali,AK.  Will backpack a short distance to campsite.  Are there any cabins on lakes or rivers in or close by Denali that offer good fly fishing?  Thanks for your help!

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Looking for a  good campsite on a lake or river for fly fishing for trout in Denali,AK.  Will backpack a short distance to campsite.  Are there any cabins on lakes or rivers in or close by Denali that offer good fly fishing?  Thanks for your help!

   I don’t guide in that area but when I was there several years ago I was told that some of the waters hold grayling but there are few if any trout in the park.

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I would like to fly from Aruba to Venezuela and stay in Maracaibo. I need info on Maracaibo and a place to stay. Please write if you can help me. Thanks.

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You could probably charter a fishing boat, fih your way across and schedule a return cheaper than flying.  <GRIN On my last trip we went fishing and were within swiming distance of Venezula.

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Hi, I am planning a ~7 day trip to Venezuela shortly. I’d like to get a glimpse of the country but will probably only have time for the coast – Merida, the mountains, the Amazon, etc. will have to wait for next time. I’ll only have time to either head east of Caracas, or west of Caracas – which is more interesting? I’d rather stay away from super-touristy-commercialized places. Also, I understand the security in situation in the Caracas is less than good. How are things outside the city – can a gringo (who speaks Spanish) survive? I know things always look and sound worse from the outside. Thanks a bunch, Aviv

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I think is too late to respond, you are probably here… Visit East side. And yes, you can survive outside Caracas. I know things always look and sound worse from the outside.

It’s true, but be carefull. A Dios J Alberto  ccs-ve — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am planning a ~7 day trip to Venezuela shortly. I’d like to get a glimpse of the country but will probably only have time for the coast – Merida, the mountains, the Amazon, etc. will have to wait for next time. I’ll only have time to either head east of Caracas, or west of Caracas – which is more interesting? I’d rather stay away from super-touristy-commercialized places. Also, I understand the security in situation in the Caracas is less than good. How are things outside the city – can a gringo (who speaks Spanish) survive? I know things always look and sound worse from the outside. Thanks a bunch, Aviv

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. Regards, Bill  Remove the nospam to email

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 I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my

#8 shad rig. Bill, I think your problem is right there. Lines and knots only live so long, especially if you use them hard. I get long life from my shooting heads, but I generally re-tie my connections to start every year (when I remember to do it, that is!). Pliobond or ‘hot stuff’ glue is a fine idea to strengthen the connection, but don’t overdo it. You can make your own briaded ends easily by buying a spool of braided mono (Cortland for example) from the store, and use a needle with an eye just large enough to thread the line through, and thread the line  into itself. Saves money, which makes you more likely to change connections often. Hope that lost shooting head wraps around the prop of a scofflaw! FlyFisherRay

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. Regards, Bill  Remove the nospam to email

I always superglue braided leaders on, because I’ve had too many work their way off over the years. It is a particular problem with repeated casting of heavy flies, and with roll/spey casting. Andrew                     The History of Fly Fishing             http://www.elisis.com/Fly.fishing.history/

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. I always superglue braided leaders on, because I’ve had too many work their way off over the years. It is a particular problem with repeated casting of heavy flies, and with roll/spey casting.

Better: use hard mono and tie a needle knot in the back of the head, then tie a perfection loop in the mono. Et voila! A loop that ain’t going nowhere, goop or no goop. And it won’t hinge like that friggin’ braided stuff either… Then do the same thing at the front of the head to loop on your leader. Try it/you’ll like it ;^)

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EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE ORDERED HAS EVENTUALLY DIED.  I STOPPED BUYING FROM THEM SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

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A much cheaper way to get the Wayside catalog is to buy that little something from Parks Seeds. I’ve been getting both for several years now, even though I’ve never bought anything from Wayside. I’m not very likely to either, since their zone ratings are complete hogwash, and their offerings are much more tailored to their climate than mine. — Kay Cangemi New York, USDA zone 5

Thank you all for sparing me from Wayside! I found a nice big fat shrubby blue hibiscus at one of our local garden shops for $14.95 and I can find the asclepsis tuberosa ice ballet at the schlocky but usually ok places like Gurney’s or Jungs for 4 bucks. As for the clethra — the "plethra" of negative comments were validated Thanks to you all again. And Wayside, keep sending me those catalogs. They’re a great read! Judy VW Indy Zone 5 — Don’t like my driving? Call 1-800-BITE-ME.

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I’ll have to admit that many years ago, it was Wayside Gardens that really piqued my interest with their catalog.  Yes, they are quite pricy, but they also stand by everything they sell. However, if you want to spend the time to look around, you can find just about all the items available from smaller nurseries (plain paper catalogs, no pictures, etc) for a lot less. — Don Martinson "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method." – Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82

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I think Wayside is worth it just for the catalog, so I try to buy a "little something" from them every year, just to get the catalogs. However, they are completely overpriced!  Bluestone Perrenials also gets my vote. Kathleen Zone 6 – New Jersey

 I too think Wayside is way to high, and I have ordered from Bluestone Perennials every year. Bluestone gets my vote too. Mary Zone 5 St. Louis

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… since their zone ratings are complete hogwash, and their offerings are much more tailored to their climate than mine. — Kay Cangemi New York, USDA zone 5

  You had your chance when they were in Ohio.  Then I always had to subtract one (still do actually) for the southern limit of their zones. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I think Wayside is worth it just for the catalog, so I try to buy a "little something" from them every year, just to get the catalogs. However, they are completely overpriced!  Bluestone Perrenials also gets my vote. Kathleen Zone 6 – New Jersey

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I think Wayside is worth it just for the catalog, so I try to buy a "little something" from them every year, just to get the catalogs. However, they are completely overpriced!  Bluestone Perrenials also gets my vote.

A much cheaper way to get the Wayside catalog is to buy that little something from Parks Seeds. I’ve been getting both for several years now, even though I’ve never bought anything from Wayside. I’m not very likely to either, since their zone ratings are complete hogwash, and their offerings are much more tailored to their climate than mine. — Kay Cangemi New York, USDA zone 5

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Wayside used to be a good source.  I know their prices are outlandish, but the yr’s guarantee is a good perk.  This yr not only did it take Wayside more than 3 mos to get my order out, the quality was really poor.  Several items were backordered, and on some I’ve already requested refunds because they were dead or died soon after planting.  Don’t waste your money anymore on Wayside – try Bluestone Perennials. Linda Slusser – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m about to take the plunge. They have a blue hibiscus, a vanilla scented butterfly weed and something called a clethra alnifolia rosea (aka:summersweet). But the prices — they are INSANE!!! So before I spend all my birthday bucks on overpriced dreck, please let me know yea or nay. Who here has ordered and what happened when you did? Is Thanx Judy Indy Zone 5 — Don’t like my driving? Call 1-800-BITE-ME.

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I’m about to take the plunge. They have a blue hibiscus, a vanilla scented butterfly weed and something called a clethra alnifolia rosea (aka:summersweet). But the prices — they are INSANE!!! So before I spend all my birthday bucks on overpriced dreck, please let me know yea or nay. Who here has ordered and what happened when you did? Is Thanx Judy Indy Zone 5 — Don’t like my driving? Call 1-800-BITE-ME.

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Thanks for the URL correction guys. I spend too much time in DOS. BTW the illustrations will be in it within the wek and more to come. Thanx again Bob S — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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Lake Fly Fishing Instructional HTML The first in a series of HTML Instructional Pages is now ready for your viewing. These are in depth segments from the Canadian Waters School of Fly Fishing Manual. They pertain mostly to Lake Fly Fishing and the forage involved and deal mainly with the Prairie/ high prairie regions but the information is valuable anywhere. One segment is available each month and this months features Mayflies. There is no password required and no charges for viewing. This is for public information and education. Look off : http:\www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm Locate the Lake Fly Fishing Instructional Pages by Bob Sheedy, the author of the manual. Many other informative articles, software and fly patterns available as well.

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Hi Dave, Here is the URL, which I just used.  = http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm  Go to =               Bob Sheedy’s               Stillwater Fly               Fishing               Instructional http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/mayfly.htm and enjoy the descriptions. Regards, — = =9F Len =9F —– Leonard Campbell                                                                                                = PO Box 972,                                                                                                                     = 168 Old Center Harbor Rd         = Center Harbor, NH 03226

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I’d like to fly fish for northern pike in northwest Ontario in early to mid July.  While I have fished northern and walleye for years in this area, I am new to fly fishing.  Any ‘tricks of the trade’ would be appreciated.  I am set up with a sinking line and a popper plus a couple good size (long tail) flys.  Am I on the right track?

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I’d like to fly fish for northern pike in northwest Ontario in early to mid July.  While I have fished northern and walleye for years in this area, I am new to fly fishing.  Any ‘tricks of the trade’ would be appreciated.  I am set up with a sinking line and a popper plus a couple good size (long tail) flys.  Am I on the right track?

Sounds good so far, but you should pay some attention to your leader.  A standard tippet isn’t real effective when dealing with pike teeth. You should pick up some 30 lb. test steel line and cut off a piece about 1 ft. in length.  For a sinking leader, use 30 lb. test lead core line about 10" long (do not use much more!) remove about 2" of the core from each end.  Tie a uni-knot, same as attaching your tippet to regular fly line with the outer shell of the lead core line around the steel line, and then, tie a second uni-knot with the steel line around the lead core.  Pull the two knots together and you have your leader.  Tie the other end of the lead core line shell to the fly line with another uni-knot and tie the fly to the other end of the steel line. By the way, if you use a long piece of lead core line and manage to back-cast the line into your head (who hasn’t done this with a regular monofilament tippet), you will see Elvis or other such sites long after you come to. Good luck…fly fishing pike is really fun. — Yukon College, Academic Studies/Professional Studies Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada   Telephone (403) 668-8809

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Have only fished state parks one of which is Montauk which is the beginning of the current river, also have fished outside the park in the current without much success for the limited time involved.  Look into Crane Creek.

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Where is the 160 acre lake near Montauk Park?

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There are a couple of great spots along the Meremac River.  The first one is just down river from the Meremac Springs State Park to the Dry Fork. The water is clear and cold as a result to the spring.  I caught the nicest brown trout last fall (18").  Caught it on a 4 weight rod with 6x tippet.  The next section is a little further down river at an access point called Cardiac Hill.  You will understand why it is named that when you spend a day on the river and try and make your way back up to the car.  You need to get a map from the conservation department.  It is very difficult to find but well worth it.  Another good spot south of St. James from I-44 is a place called "Windrush".  Privately owned and stocked.  You can pay a flat rate and release or pay by the pound.  The owners limit the stream to 15 or so a day. You need to make a reservation before you show up.  Enjoy fishing and let me know other spots you come across.

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 Any Missouri flyrod fishermen here?  I would like to talk with fly fishers who frequent the Meramec,Current,or any other small Missouri streams in search of trout, smallmouth, or largemouth.                                          Thank you

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monsanto.com!newspump.wustl.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!travel!don.wortmann Distribution: world Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: TRAVEL ONLINE / ST. LOUIS ONLINE – (314) 561-4956 Lines: 4  Any Missouri flyrod fishermen here?  I would like to talk with fly fishers who frequent the Meramec,Current,or any other small Missouri streams in search of trout, smallmouth, or largemouth.                                          Thank you

One of the things I like about Missouri is the quality hunting AND fishing.  I like to go to the trophy area downstream of Montauk State Park as well as the pay-as-you-go fly only areas within the park.  Drifting jigs & wooly worms seems to one of the tickets to success.  Still kinda new at fly fishing but I should get more practice at the 160 ac. lake nearby!  Where do you go in MO? Denis Boyle

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