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Hello all, I did a search for past messages and didn’t find any help. Could anyone suggest a book(s) for info on flyfishing in Montana? It would be much appreciated. I live in E. Washington and am looking to make a few trips to into Montana this year. The books don’t have to be super-detailed–I’d prefer overviews to an entire book on just one river. However, if the book covered a "region" (like Yellowstone Park), that would be fine. I’m just looking for some basic info on times, hatches, accessability, etc. Thanks! -TyKo
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Flyfisher’s guide to Montana by Greg Thomas is pretty good. The Montana Angling Guide by Fothergill and Sterling is also good. The former has a better narrative and information on lodging, dining, etc. The latter has better maps. All my opinions, of course. John
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I did a search for past messages and didn’t find any help. Could anyone suggest a book(s) for info on flyfishing in Montana? It would be much appreciated. I live in E. Washington and am looking to make a few trips to into Montana this year. The books don’t have to be super-detailed–I’d prefer overviews to an entire book on just one river. However, if the book covered a "region" (like Yellowstone Park), that would be fine. I’m just looking for some basic info on times, hatches, accessability, etc. Thanks! -TyKo
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Flyfisher’s guide to Montana by Greg Thomas is pretty good. The Montana Angling Guide by Fothergill and Sterling is also good. The former has a better narrative and information on lodging, dining, etc. The latter has better maps. All my opinions, of course.
I found the latter extremely helpful because of all the pullout maps, in a ring binder format you can easily lay flat.
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Hi Dale, The lower Sacramento river is getting better every year. The area is mostly between Redding and Anderson. A special system was installed on the dam above Redding so they can control the water temperature out of Shasta for the salmon mostly, but it is helping the trout and steelhead too. Also, a reduced limit has helped too. It has a large population of big wild rainbow trout and in the fall get a ton of King salmon and some steelhead. It fishes good almost year round, but October is one of the top months. There are a lot of caddis in the river and then with the salmon spawning, there are lots of salmon eggs available too. Like an alaskan river, the salmon spawn and die so the trout eat the eggs, then the they eat the salmon fry and they also eat the decaying salmon flesh. It is a great life cycle going on up there. You need size #14 caddis pupa, emergers and dries to deal with the thousand of caddis in the river and you need some salmon egg imitations like Glo Bugs, that were invented in that part of the country. I fish up there a few time a year with veteran Redding guide, George Durand. The main system is a 9′ or longer #6 or 7 weight outfit with a floating line. Then a yarn or wool indicator up high on the leader. Then a bunch (4′ to 8′) of ~4x tippet. The longer and lighter the tippet, the deeper you can go in this big river. Some split shot will give you more depth. George has some of his own special flies, but many anglers use the #14 Bird’s Net or a #14 caddis pupa like a Z-Wing Caddis. A new thing for George the last few years is to hang something like a #16 Flashback PT below the large nymph to imitate the smaller mayflies (Baetis?) that are in the river. PS: This ‘Right Angel’ system of nyphing was developed by Dean Schubert and Dave Hickson of Northern California. It is now used world wide for trout and steelhead and is a standard on the big rivers that flow into Lake Taupo in New Zealand. Going with a guide on the river at first is the best way for most of us. The Fly Shop in Redding has a large staff of good guides and there are some top indepentent guides like George Durand, Art Teeters and Dave Simmons. If you have any questions, feel free to email or call my toll free(USA) number. 800/4000FLY
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good Evening, All, I wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded to my request for info on where to fish in San Jose or Sacramento. Several of you e-mailed me and several others responded to my post. Thanks for taking the time to help me out… I really appreciate it. I have decided to head up to Redding and fish the lower Sac. I called the Flyshop in Redding and have a tentative booking for a half day float trip on Sunday, 3 Oct. I plan on fishing the Sac all day Saturday. Anybody care to hook up with an out of towner and enjoy a day of dipping? One last question… looking for fly reccomendations and patterns as I tie (really enjoy it!) Rachel at the Flyshop recommended a Bird’s Nest and a glo something (salmon egg I presume.) Anything else to ty up and bring? Any pattern help would be most appreciated. If any of you are ever in the central Texas area, let me know… be glad show our trout stream (yes, we actually have one!) — Regards, Dale Neidhammer Synchronicity Inc. Field Applications Engineer http://www.syncinc.com 512/515-6466
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Good Evening, All, I wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded to my request for info on where to fish in San Jose or Sacramento. Several of you e-mailed me and several others responded to my post. Thanks for taking the time to help me out… I really appreciate it. I have decided to head up to Redding and fish the lower Sac. I called the Flyshop in Redding and have a tentative booking for a half day float trip on Sunday, 3 Oct. I plan on fishing the Sac all day Saturday. Anybody care to hook up with an out of towner and enjoy a day of dipping? One last question… looking for fly reccomendations and patterns as I tie (really enjoy it!) Rachel at the Flyshop recommended a Bird’s Nest and a glo something (salmon egg I presume.) Anything else to ty up and bring? Any pattern help would be most appreciated. If any of you are ever in the central Texas area, let me know… be glad show our trout stream (yes, we actually have one!) — Regards, Dale Neidhammer Synchronicity Inc. Field Applications Engineer http://www.syncinc.com 512/515-6466
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spam magnet B D Hatten wrote with lots of heart, almost a whine: heart felt and male bonding "I love you MAN! can have your BUD,"shit snipped There is a key on your keyboard usually called "DELETE". You did get one with your computer? Whiners on my screen usually get this key. Saves lots of energy and frustration following circular threads. Who said anything about liking ya? Tolerate maybe! Speaking of Kisses! February 14, Yes, the perfume and pubic hair hatch! I’ll be buried in about to my ears! ‘Hafta try my new goretex wader on. Yes, it would be nice to seem some newer bugs that the ones I’m use to seeing in my own. Hope their not ugly, the wild ones just love those pretty ones. Bug address went on the side. Hairy Trout One happy camper shaving his palms tonight!
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Right the Rod company has moved, however Press Powell has a Fly Fishing Shop in Chico where the old rod company was. I was there over Thanksgiving and chatted with Press for a couple of days as he was putting things back together from moving the shop. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H. Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will." The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves- Thanx fer yer idiotic post. Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why. "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence" Bruce
Gentlemen, may I suggest you check where Croweley plagiarized that phrase.
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And so it goes, that one must endure the ‘pulp’- to get at the seeds. I am relatively new here. I’ve had my run ins w/ Mr. G. and I got over it. And he got over it. If you can’t get over it- you need to get a life and NOT READ ON. (Thanks) This is my plan- YOU BASTARDS are gonna do the right thing. Yer gonna hit this thread and yer gonna say "come back where you belong G. We miss you". …We miss spitting yer way, we miss throwing rocks at you. We miss your stupid drivelings about yer overbloated, over hyped, over rated product line, and we miss turning off the computer w/ contempt for your capitalist PIG tendencies, but most of all- we miss the many and multi faceted jewels you unselfishly share w/ us. I don’t care who you are, or how cool you think you are and think he isn’t; (or for that matter, what you think you think of me.) George belongs here. That is the plain truth. Put me on your kill list if you disagree- I don’t give a shit. But I will say you are making a huge mistake. And that, of course is your right. (even if its wrong) ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" That does NOT mean I embrace shotgun spamming- and/ or random useless postings. But clearly- G does not do that. He is here w/ more intent than "just" any one thing. He is good for us. We are good for him. Let us all benefit in kind. (Besides who ever that Aaron person attempting to mimic him is making me sick.) You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally. Daily. Maybe 20 times daily. You all know how important this, is do the right thing. I thank you for your cooperation- and your intent. Doldrums nourish no bees,- produce no honey. Bruce Douglas Hatten Post: you write stupid moronic bullshit in MY thread and we will have a serious problem. Lets not ok? Just pass me by- please… Thanks fer that; really.
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<snip ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten
Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."
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You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally. Daily. Maybe 20 times daily. You all know how important this, is do the right thing.
How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard 
— Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com
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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? Tim Apple " Always one step closer to going Postal! "
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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?
He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…
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<snip ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."
I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves- Thanx fer yer idiotic post. Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why. "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence" Bruce
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally. Daily. Maybe 20 times daily. You all know how important this, is do the right thing. How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com
Another clever boy- I’m impressed. And you have posted what of any significance lately? I am not a fan bud, but you know I’m bright enough to see… You have reading problems aside from the obvious lack of understandings? enjoy the darkness friend-
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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…
at the rate that BD Hatten is going it won’t be long before he might be the new t-bone. I’ll watch from a distance. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
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<< ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."
I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves- Thanx fer yer idiotic post. Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why. "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence" Bruce Bruce, that was priceless. LOL. DUH! Dave LaCourse
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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?
He t-boned the gtoup for a while. LOL. And yet another phrase is born. Thanks Charlie. Dave LaCourse
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Come on back! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net
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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing.
I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.
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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.
Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)
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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill. Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday) Bruce
You have got to do something about your image here. Might be the beer? Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12. I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
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Come on back! Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net
You get a gold fucking star and a big fat "THANK YOU!" from me bud. No bullsit. If you werent so dawg ass ugly I’d kiss ya smack on the mouth. Snap man, G is a resource people- only ugly fucking americans piss away their resources so blindly… Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill. Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday) Bruce
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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill. Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday) Bruce You have got to do something about your image here.
Image is nada to me- I could giva shit. Might be the beer?
Count on it. (And the unexpected, occasionally no doubt.) Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s.
4 4 packs to just get rolling. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome.
Old Mill/mud aint exactly sweet- if I were a rich man I’d suck the Grouses down like there’s no tomorrow.. thanks fer the sip bro- I needed that. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12.
(I likes the blue ones a lots better. heh heh ie Val. I am I am…) E-mail me an address. I build bugs. You sure you want Stimulators? I can do better than that. No jive- send a po box # er what ever… I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs.
Indeed. You speak the truth. You have my vote Doug. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me.
Spam Maggots are us- Just send an e-mail and you’ll see! arf arf. Funny you say that- I have a huge Pink Floyd poster over my tying desk and upon it is inscribed (by yers truly of course) "Flies are Us- {don’t mind the maggots}" A sick ref to the Rolling Stones. This header was obviously a bad idea. I feel sorry fer that. G is a good man. G has treated myself w/ dignity and undertsanding- even where either of us might have been at fault. He ought (yes in strict Kantian style) to be appreciated for who he is. Not what mind you, but who. I could go on and on about sissy fucking whiners- People who post pure shit and people who post nothing a’tall. I am vocal. I say considerably too much more often than not. I guess G’s the same in a lot of ways. But his intent is what counts. I wish him only perfection on the rod line- as that is not just what he seeks, but what he deserves. I have goods to sell also and my approach is utterly different- (not better, not worse) but he and I are the same too- in that we want our patron’s expectations to be realized. You aint gotta love the maker fer his product. You gotta love the product. The ‘maker’ is just another one of us… Brain Salad Surgery Making Itself Clear, Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England? Bill W
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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England?
Bill, Vermont Trout Streams by Farrow Allen is an excellent resource. It is published by Northern Cartographic in Burlington Vermont. Fly Tiers Heaven website is a local fly shop that stocks many regional books. Hope this helps. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle
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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England? Bill W
Hi, A really good book, but just for Vermont is : Fishing Vermont’s Streams and Lakes by Peter Cammann, published by Backcountry Press. I assume there are similar books for other N.E. states, but my sister lives in vermont, so there you go. Bill
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At least for Maine there are some books by a guy named Al Raychard, "Allagash" by Dean Bennett, and "Complete Guide to Fly Fishing Maine" by Bob Newman. Chris
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Does anyone know an e-mail address for Gary or Jason Borger? I would like to ask one of them a question about fly lines.
Don’t know an e-mail address, but if you look on the back of one of his videos you will find a phone number for his company. I called them one time regarding availability of one of their titles and Gary answered the phone. Worth a shot. You can probably also reach him (although in a round about way) through Thomas & Thomas rods. Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
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Borger don’t post… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
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Borger don’t post… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
Who can blame him! Ralph H
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Jasons E-mail is listed at www.Flyfishamerica.com
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Borger don’t post… — TimW Halfordian Golfer Who can blame him!
all of us that do…for starters… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
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Does anyone know an e-mail address for Gary or Jason Borger? I would like to ask one of them a question about fly lines. Thanks! Steve Rosenblum
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Does anyone know an e-mail address for Gary or Jason Borger? I would like to ask one of them a question about fly lines. Thanks! Steve Rosenblum Both can be reached through Flyfishers Online at www.flyfishers.com PFY
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John- My experience in the Yellowstone area is that any time after mid-September you’d better be prepared for any weather extremes including snow (potentially heavy-a foot or more wouldn’t be unusual.) So, unless your group are hardy campers, you could really be caught short by the weather. ( It can also be very warm, so bring clothes for all possibilities.) As for rivers, everything I have heard from several sources this year is that fishing has been below par all around the area. Madison in the park is never too hot, the firehole might be getting better as the weather cools, forget the Gibbon. Try the Gallatin inside the park – it can be very good – or not! Check with Bob Jacklin’s shop or Blue Ribbon Flies for the best info on current conditions. Motels are all around, none too fancy but I like the Lazy G Motel on Hayden street. Phone 406 646-7586- owners Bob & (Sharon?-I think) are real nice folks. They have at least one unit with a kitchenette. Have a great trip – drop me an e-mail when you get back & tell me how you did!
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We are planning on fishing out of the West Yellowstone area the first week in Oct. We would appreciate any inputs on that plan, specifically: Camping out? Is the weather apt to be too cold to enjoy tenting at Madison Junction? What streams are good that week? We probably won’t want to travel too far so we don’t cut into our fishing time too much. Looks like the Firehole, Madison in the Park, Gibbon. Any other suggestions? Any recommendations on reasonable motels in W. Yellowstone if we decide not to tent? Thanx John Bjostad Columbia Heights, MN Retired avionics engineer – full time fly fishing addict
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We are planning on fishing out of the West Yellowstone area the first week in Oct. We would appreciate any inputs on that plan, specifically:
I’ll let someone more familiar comment on the relative merits of the rivers in Yellowstone. Do be aware that the road in Yellowstone south of Madison Junction for about 5 miles is only open from 6a-10a and 6p-10p weekdays. When it is open, expect delays as the construction doesn’t detour you around but rather thru where they’re working. This is also true for east entrance from Cody. — Steve & Tish Harder Ames, IA http://www.netins.net/showcase/wwwisc
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thinking of relocating to the charlotte, nc area would like info on the flyfishing in the area or general region, preferances are trout!Willing and able to backpack in,info on this also. thanks much!!
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Join the local TU group (rockey river). they have all the info you will need. rmurrell
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thinking of relocating to the charlotte, nc area would like info on the flyfishing in the area or general region, preferances are trout!Willing and able to backpack in,info on this also. thanks much!!
Greetings: I grew up near Charlotte, and went to college there. You are about 1.5-2 hrs drive from deep mountains (Blue Ridge Parkway, etc.), coming from the north side of the city. There are a lot of small streams within that 2 hr drive as I recall, and I know some are trout water. It has been years though since I lived there, and I never did any flyfishing then. Generally though, the state legislature has been really strong advocates of water quality, trout stocking, and the like. So you should find some great trout. Also, for practice, there is a huge reservoir (approx. 600 miles of shoreline) about 30 minutes north of the city, with great panfish and bass. Also, there are a lot of smaller lakes in the city or surrounding areas, so practice waters will abound. Good luck. Dan Johnson
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A thirteen week break from the UK will do nicely thank you. Just send the return tickets for two. I’m undecided as to who to bring along, the queen mother is an excellent flyfisher but is not as sprightly as she used to be. An excellent talker though. I’ll ask Diana if she’s free. Dave Tait. writes I’m interested in producing a fly fishing T.V. Show and I need a female and male co-hosts. Can anyone recommend a couple to host a 13 week program that will be shot in a 13 days of fly fishing adventure that will cross the U.S and Canada?
– dave tait
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I will be humble but I would still have to recommend me and Cindy Crawford to host the show. I can fish and she can look good in front of the camera. Afterwards, well…..
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Look pal. If I cant get Lady Diana to come along I’ll be taking Cindy. Sorry to disapoint you! Dream on!! writes I will be humble but I would still have to recommend me and Cindy Crawford to host the show. I can fish and she can look good in front of the camera. Afterwards, well…..
– dave tait
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Crow) writes: How much do I have to pay you for this gig?? 8^)
Cindy Crawford and I will do it!!! :)
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I’m interested in producing a fly fishing T.V. Show and I need a female and male co-hosts. Can anyone recommend a couple to host a 13 week program that will be shot in a 13 days of fly fishing adventure that will cross the U.S and Canada?
Serious reply here: John Gierach and Joan Wulff. — Richard Nelson Spokane, Wa. "Its not that life is so short, its that death is sooo long."
