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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries.

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Hearing the overwhelming voice of the American people,  a bi-partisan bill was introduced to enact the Roadless Rule in law. The bill already  has 172 votes in the house.  Im glad to see SOME politicians still care about the wishes of the people of America. Also, Bush again tries to make taxpayers  pay for corporate pollution. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2444-2002Jun5.html do Nothing Bush: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/06/opinion/06HERB.html Air Force Col suspended for bad mouthing Bush: http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/3393351.htm — Sent by  arvon45 from yahoo included in com This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header. Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\

The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries. But I do see your point.

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What type of reel do you use?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\ The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries.

So do we owe you a belated congratulations?

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To anyone that replies to this, please remove rec.outdoors.fishing.fly from the send to list.

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\ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\

The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\

I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars.

If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\ The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\ I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

Hey, wow, that’s pretty darned good……except you misspelled "cheeks". Wolfgang interesting name, is that portugese?

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make any difference what I write about.  They will always be there.  The idea is to learn how to nymph fish with words so as to avoid them.  I suppose I will have to nymph fish with just a bare hook from now on? LOL! Actually, WINTER is like fly fishing.  It is a contemplative man’s sport.  It is a good season and the time to get those flies tied and to clean out all the beat up flies and give them to our children.  (Or to those who don’t tie but still like to fly fish).   While the eastern sea board of this country enjoy the blanket of snow that has been so long overdue so that they can have a fresh water supply later into the year then of the recent past, I can visualize Walt Winter, Tom Brown, Wayne Harrison, Jeff Miller, and other gentlemen of the realm, sipping a libation and tying those diminutive little creations that fool very big fish. Fly-Maker’s Wax could/should be mentioned here because since Mike Overton’s untimely death, this is the improved product that originally was Wonder Wax.  What is amazing about having a nice wax on the fly tying bench is that these tubes last for over ten or more years for the majority of fly tiers.  For the commercial tier, they don’t last as long.  Maybe a year or a little more. What I want to talk about is fly tying wax at the vise site.  With the choice we use, there are some interesting features regarding the old and new formulas that cannot be found in any other waxes in the world.   When dubbing, the idea is to understand that "The Smaller the Fly, The Greater the Need" when it comes to using wax or not.  This is because greater control is required to lay the small amount of dubbing on a size #22 hook in such a manner as to form the body shape that is defined, not guessed at.   With the tube of wax right at hand, I have two basic choices on how to apply the wax and/or dubbing.  The first way is to simply stroke a little wax down the dubbing section of the thread to be used.  The second way is to take the shooting finger of your hand and simply rubbing it across the wax and then take a little dubbing and apply it to the thread, spinning in only one direction.   After one uses the latter method, a secret few know is if one has a little cloth on their lap, it is a simple matter to use just PRESSURE and the wax comes off the finger tips.  This wax grabs or releases depending upon the amount of pressure applied.  It is the only wax in the industry that will do this. I like perfectly formed flies.  They should almost look like the real thing.  The personality of fly tying materials are as varied as one could hope for.  Some of it needs to be forced into behaving correctly. A good Fly-Tying Wax will do that. A good wax will also help preserve the threads used that bind a fly for well over a hundred years.  The wax must have as near a neutral bouyance as possible.  In the water, it should not try to float the fly nor sink it.  That feature should be left up to other means. What about scents used in some brands of waxes is a personal choice, I suppose.  We don’t do that as our product has its own distinctive wax oder.  It comes from the base bee’s wax that is found in only one part of the United States and is a guarded secret.  To be perfectly frank, we suspect trout have no objection to ours on a sensory level.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose. If you wish to know more about fly tying waxes, visit the url below. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/gg_flymakers.html http://www.gink.com/

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Gerkhe Gentlemen don’t spam the news groups to turn a buck.

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Gerkhe Gentlemen don’t spam the news groups to turn a buck.

______  If and when we do, I’ll let you know.  I’d appreciate it if you would stick to fly fishing Plado.   Thank you, Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/gg_flymakers.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Truly clueless.  Does not even realize what spam is.

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Got the class ring on?                 Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). This rod is georgeous — I hate to sell it but need the money for a saltwater rod. Originally was $250, will sell for $190/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt.

I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though. The Penn and Fenwick rods look extremely similar, so they much share manufacturing (just a guess). Anyway, one of my local fly shops sells them and I’ve found them on the Web. Because they’re in the $160-$180 price range I’m suprised they are not more attractive to folks who don’t want to spend $300 on a rod. They have a really nice finish and a medium action. YMMV, but I think they are a nice rod for the price. I own the 8′6" 4-piece 5wt–it was the first fly rod I purchased (Ok, not technically the first since I bought a Browning as a teenager to use for nymphing with a spinning reel). I like the rod action–but what the heck do I know. My only disappointment is that the ferrule fit on my rod (can’t speak for the model as a whole) isn’t the best and after a day of fishing one of the ferrules tends to work its way loose if I don’t check them every once in a while. I have another Penn rod 9′ 2-piece 4wt and a Fenwick 7′ 4wt 2-peice–neither of which has that problem. –Steve

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though.

    i bought my youngest boy an 8′ penn last year as his first rod.  he loves it, although i find the action to be a little on the soft side.  the problem you experienced with your ferrules hasn’t appeared.     i might be interested in ol joe’s nine footer, except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?             Frank Reid except i am afraid that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change…

He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g — Charlie…

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g

Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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You might want to provide a model number with that fly rod and/or try your hand at eBay, since I’ve recently seen several brand new Penn Gold Medal 4-piece travel rods for sale at fly shops (on the Web and in my city) for less than $160. Steve Zimmerman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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Joe, I’m not trying to sabotage you; nor do I have a problem with an occasional FS post. But I do feel the need to point out that you can buy this rod brand new on the web for $189.95 retail. Check out: http://www.tackledirect.com/tackle/penngoldmedal.html –Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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If we weren’t all filtering you out Ken, you’d get a response! (Just kidding – I enjoy all the controversy here!) David

I tend to agree.  I get as sick of George as anyone else, but it wouldn’t seem right to be missing 20% of the traffic on ROFF.  Besides, I get more laughs out of George’s posts than the rest of the board put together. — Levi I have been through some terrible things in my life – some of which actually happened.  –Mark Twain – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken Janik wrote(edited by lf to duck filters): Paul,   I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen. I just read up some on filtering in my newsreader.  I don’t know how similar other people’s killfiles are, but for "trn", I added the following filters to my killfile… /[G|g]iink/h:j Marked all messages as unread. Had 809 new messages (from the past 1 or 2 weeks) Filtering removed 164 posts or 20%!!!!! The filters above catch those two words anywhere in the message so those people replying to George get filtered too as long as they leave his login Come to think of it, I won’t even see my message. Oh well, hope somebody finds this useful. Later,      - Ken —

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If we weren’t all filtering you out Ken, you’d get a response! (Just kidding – I enjoy all the controversy here!) David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul,   I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen. I just read up some on filtering in my newsreader.  I don’t know how similar other people’s killfiles are, but for "trn", I added the following filters to my killfile… /[G|g]ink/h:j /[B|b]astard/h:j Marked all messages as unread. Had 809 new messages (from the past 1 or 2 weeks) Filtering removed 164 posts or 20%!!!!! The filters above catch those two words anywhere in the message so those people replying to George get filtered too as long as they leave his login Come to think of it, I won’t even see my message. Oh well, hope somebody finds this useful. Later,      - Ken —

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Paul,    I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested. I agree. Enough is enough. Why is George allowed to continue "spamming" this group? It has been tolerated in the past because he conned us into believing that we were helping him develop his rod. It has been developed and is in production and is being sold and shipped. Why do you still tolerate the spam from George?

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Paul,   I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen.

I just read up some on filtering in my newsreader.  I don’t know how similar other people’s killfiles are, but for "trn", I added the following filters to my killfile… /[G|g]ink/h:j /[B|b]astard/h:j Marked all messages as unread. Had 809 new messages (from the past 1 or 2 weeks) Filtering removed 164 posts or 20%!!!!! The filters above catch those two words anywhere in the message so those people replying to George get filtered too as long as they leave his login Come to think of it, I won’t even see my message. Oh well, hope somebody finds this useful. Later,      - Ken —

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<< I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested.

I agree. Enough is enough. Why is George allowed to continue "spamming" this group? It has been tolerated in the past because he conned us into believing that we were helping him develop his rod. It has been developed and is in production and is being sold and shipped. Why do you still tolerate the spam from George?

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This newsgroup has been hijacked. After returning after more than a year’s absence, I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested.

Speaking as someone who has bought a Bastard Rod, paid for it, and likes it (thereby establishing my credentials as a non-George-hater), I have to agree. George, enough already with the Bastard Rods. Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Before you buy.

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This newsgroup has been hijacked. After returning after more than a year’s absence, I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested. I understand that George developed these rods with the help of many from this newsgroup, but at this point, isn’t an occasional reminder about George’s chat site enough? This is not to diminish the value of George’s other posts, which stand on their own merit, but just to say that enough is enough in regards to the Bastard rods, at least in my humble opinion. Respectfully, Charlie Miller

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Thanks for the responeses, Jeff

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Maybe you can help me,     My Dad just got a fly rod from a friend whose father recently died.  He would like to use it but does not want to if it is potientially valuable. It is a split bamboo, ~6′6".  Printed on it is "GOLDEN BAMBOO"  "MADE IN JAPAN"  and signed "L.M. Dixon"  Any ideas about it? Thanks, Jeff

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Historically, Japanese Rods have not been treated well in the collectors market. They were made with much less care and dedication to detail than most USA or UK rods. Being somewhat familiar with the "market", I would suggest you get another opinion and then go fish the rod if it is still in good enough condition.  The Japanese are very active these days buying USA made rods, both older and new. Tight lines. DSW

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Dixon was not a very valuable rod in term of it’s collectability;Just becuase it’s bamboo doesn’t mean it’s valuable. In fact, most old bamboo rods are down right worthless then, and they are worthless now. One indication of quality of rod quality is to count the number of guides and look at the quality of ferrules. In the old days, the value of the bamboo rod were primarily determined by the quality and quantity of it’s hardware, not the bamboo blank itself, which could be worth next to nothing. It sound strange, but true. If the rod is in good shape, you may just wish to use it as is or, if you have the inclination, refinish with new poly varnish and rewrap new modern guides for modern fly lines etc… My first refinishing effort was on a old Dixon I picked up for next to nothing. I re-corked , re-coat with modern poly varnish and replaced all the guides with bigger one for modern fly lines, and you would not believe how the rod turned out. What’s more, it taught me alot about bamboo rod refinishing and it  gave me insights into later refinishing and restoration efforts of other more valuable rods. To me, that Dixon was priceless. These refinishing efforts can be teach you alot  about – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe you can help me,    My Dad just got a fly rod from a friend whose father recently died.  He would like to use it but does not want to if it is potientially valuable. It is a split bamboo, ~6′6".  Printed on it is "GOLDEN BAMBOO"  "MADE IN JAPAN"  and signed "L.M. Dixon"  Any ideas about it? Thanks, Jeff

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_______  Like a spring Caddis Fly that will soon have gone through it’s complete metamorphosis, I am slowly becoming a BAMBOO GEEK.  The study of cane never leaves my thoughts.  I have cut a short piece and split it.  I fondle it and carry it with me everywhere I go.  It is thick.  It is hard and sharp of edge and the sample holds a molecular world I know little of . . . yet my imagination travels inside it, inbetween all its molecules.  Cured long ago, this yellow stick from the far Orient, has found a home.  It speaks to me in a way better then words. So it is, inanimate in all respects, but a spirit of promise radiates from it like radium from plain rock, as it sits here, infecting me.  I am drawn to the mysteries of Tonkin. I am sure of it, in my mind, on this adventure, that the very first fly rod I will make will be as good as the last one I will ever make in my life.  I have been thinking about #1 for thousands of hours and for many months.  No, I haven’t ever done this before, but it matters not because my whole life has been dressed in the clothing’s of the great outdoors. How could it not be so?  I seldom do things badly in my life except I did piss on my own leg in a Mountain’s Wind Storm, once. I have it in my heart, that if someone doesn’t purchase #1 by the time I build it, I may donate it to a Museum.   I will put a high price on it as a collector’s item and that will be that.  I will let history judge the wisdom of it all years into the future, when people such as you and I are long dead nd gone, and another generation of Bastard Fly Rod Artists will pass on a legacy long since into high serial numbers.  One day, some one will visit the A Museum of Fly Fishing and see the #1 Bastard Fly Rod and they may ask just one question.  "I wish I could have been there to buy it when they had the chance,"  and we will giggle ourselves into eternity, while fly fishing one of God’s trout streams. Mr. G. i was never a man of hindsight  http://www.gink.com

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_______  Like a spring Caddis Fly that will soon have gone through it’s complete metamorphosis, I am slowly becoming a BAMBOO GEEK.  The study of cane never leaves my thoughts.  I have cut a short piece and split it.  I fondle it and carry it with me everywhere I go.  It is thick.  It is hard and sharp of edge and the sample holds a molecular world I know little of . . . yet.  Cured long ago, this yellow stick from the far Orient, has found a home.  It speaks to me in a way better then words. So it is, inanimate in all respects, but a spirit of promise radiates from it like radium from a plain rock, as it sits here – infecting me, just sitting there. I am drawn by the mystery of Tonkin Cane. I have it in my mind, on this adventure, that the very first fly rod I make will be the best fly rod I will ever make in my life.  I have been thinking about #1 for thousands of hours and for many months.  No, I haven’t ever done this thing before, but it matters not because my whole life  is now dressed in Bamboo.  How could it not be so?  I’ve never done anything badly in my life except piss on my own leg in a wind storm, once. I have it in my heart, that if someone doesn’t purchase #1 by the time I build it, I will donate this first Bastard of my dreams to The American Museum of Fly Fishing.  I will put a high price on it as a collector’s item and that will be that.  I will let history judge the wisdom of it all years into the future, when people such as you and I are long dead and gone, and another generation of Bastard Fly Rod Artists will pass on a legacy long since into high serial numbers.  One day, some one will visit the American Museum of Fly Fishing and see the #1 Bastard Fly Rod I have in my mind and heart and they may ask just one question.  "I wish I could have been there to buy it when I had the chance,"  and I will turn over in my grave giggling myself into eternity. I told you so. Mr. G. i was never a man of hindsight —

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Jess writes: Hello I am going to try flyfishing for stripers here in OK. this spring and I am wondering if I really need a reel with a 200 yd backing capacity ? It seems your tippet would break just from the resistance of the flyline in the water.

                                                                 Thanks                                                                    Jess Jess, you are correct.  ~~150 yards ought to do it…. I’ve had fish go " over the hill" of a rapid and take more than this, but don’t recall landing any of them.  In open water, chase ‘em, in a river, finesse is better. A common method is to let the line go completely slack, the fish will then swim upstream back to you…  Have fun… Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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Hello I am going to try flyfishing for stripers here in OK. this spring and I am wondering if I really need a reel with a 200 yd backing capacity ? It seems your tippet would break just from the resistance of the flyline in the water.                                                                  Thanks                                                                    Jess

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Need advice on where to look for  an inexpensive (<$100) 4 peice pack rod (preferably 9′ 6 wt)–used or new.  If anyone knows of a good

Look for glass rods with the Abu or Fenwick name — probably no longer sold new, but the old ones must be somewhere…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Need advice on where to look for  an inexpensive (<$100) 4 peice pack rod (preferably 9′ 6 wt)–used or new.  If anyone knows of a good starting point would appreciate a tip!

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Need advice on where to look for  an inexpensive (<$100) 4 peice pack rod (preferably 9′ 6 wt)–used or new.  If anyone knows of a good starting point would appreciate a tip!

For the same money, you might be able to get a better quality rod by going to a two piece rod.  Put it in a schedule 40 PVC tube and use it for a walking stick.  It helps me a lot crossing streams and going up/ down steep inclines.  The thin wall PVC won’t hold up as well if you really put your weight on it (like when you need it most).   Rob

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: For the same money, you might be able to get a better quality rod by : going to a two piece rod.  Put it in a schedule 40 PVC tube and use it : for a walking stick.  It helps me a lot crossing streams and going up/ : down steep inclines.  The thin wall PVC won’t hold up as well if you : really put your weight on it (like when you need it most).   Rob, I also use two-piece rods hiking and backpacking.  I carry them in a sturdy PVC tube and use the tube as a walking stick.  If I ever fell right on top of it. . . well I think I would rather have the rod break than me (but I am not too sure). Schedule 40 PVC?  Hmmm.  I guess I will know what to ask for next time I acquire a PVC rod tube.  Thanks for the terminology. Cheers, Burnaby, BC

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Check and see if you can find a st. Croix dealer in canada. I bought two 4 pc.    pack

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Hi, If you are into building your own rod the River’s Edge in Bozeman, MT has Sage second blank (4 peice pack rods) for about $130.00.  If you think you might be interested you can call them at 406-586-5373. Good Luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (catalog avail)

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Al, Thanks for the post.  I saw your message of Jan 4 regarding the River’s Edge and the sage seconds.  We live in Chicago and have a tough time finding a source for seconds, especially travel rods at this price! Bryan and company at rivers edge were quite helpful.  I just purchased two of the blanks and there in the mail now.

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St. Croix is available in Canada at a decent price.  Diawa makes a 4 – 5 wt. that fishs very well.  Pack rods at low prices can be hard to find.  Good luck. Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check and see if you can find a st. Croix dealer in canada. I bought two 4 pc.    pack

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Check the Cabela’s 1996 Spring catalog.  They’re listing a 4pc. pack rod blank (9′/6wt I think) for less than $50.  They list it as an import, but who knows.

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I looking for an moderately priced pack rod, and have found a Cabela’s Fish Eagle 8′ 4wt. for #116.  Anybody out there have any opinions about the rod?

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I really like the St. Croix Imperial, 8′ for 4/5 in a 4 piece … rod holder included for around $125. Also it has a lifetime guarantee … I like the intermediate action so much that I am fishing it almost as my #1 rod. bob vorel

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In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent.

Great  I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather.

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff

July Issue

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Great  I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather. It’s not that bad.  The Conejos has lots of fishable water, and there are better fishing spots in the higher streams, anyway.  I doubt that people will flock to Conejos County anyway, as it is not on the way to anywhere, and pretty far from a major metropolitan area.

Like the  uh, San Juan ? or the uh, Green ? or the uh, North Platte ? or the uh, Bighorn ? I think your favorite secret is safe for the time being.

No it’s not. It is under attack. TimW

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Sure.  I did it last month and had a blast! You can read a more extended description at the following URL:

I enjoyed reading your story.  We used to stay at Magote Meadows too. Grandpa had a travel trailer and we stayed in the RV park there.  My grandfather fished that river every summer from the early 70s until he died 2 years ago, and he was preparing to go back even then.  I have some of the best memories of my life up there. Bruce Wedding

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Mark: for the latest fishing conditions on the Conejos check www.thereellife.com/reellife/ Manuel Monasterio The Reel Life

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience?                                 Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience?                             Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus

Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff

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We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc.

The John Day is a magnificent smallmouth fishery, I used to fish it often when I lived in Washington. Now I’m stuck here in Montana and miss it dearly. Certainly go with traditional topwater flies, including deer hair/rubberleg bugs in the more natural colors (tan, white, brown, olive) that have a touch of flash in the tail or a bright stripe clipped into the body. I’ve always had better success with these types than with the bright yellow/green combos. But in mid-July, fishing can be tough if the weather is very hot. However, good news in that there is plenty of deeper water for the fish to cool themselves in. So, in this case, don’t hesitate to fish beneath the surface a few inches (the fish may be more receptive to a lure stripped just under the surface than one popping the top) and certainly don’t ignore deep (bottom) fishing (vary retrieve) if no surface action arises. For this type of fishing, try a Muddler Minnow with an orange collar and SILVER body (imitates baitfish that abound here) or similar streamer pattern (Mickey Finn with a thin but prominent clipped wool or deer hair head was always a favorite of mine here). There is one advantage to mid-July on the John Day during hot weather: you may run into a sparse to very good hatch of large (#12) caddis that often bring up "fishable" numbers of bass. In this case, go for the high floating patterns such as an elk hair caddis, but tie it in a size 8 or 10 and skitter it across the surface. The larger hooks make it easier to hook the "small"-mouth. For great fun, try skittering a large caddis to which is tied one of the above streamer patterns during the hatch. And whatever you do, don’t stop retrieving and hang on! (This is a good technique if the bass are cruising the shallows in the evenings for baitfish). Good luck! Ryan Jordan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc. I’ll bring a 6/7 wt rod with 7WF line. Should I have a very heavy leader? How long? Should I fish surface or below? Lots of questions, and perhaps someone out there as a few answers. Thanks in advance, Mike —                     Michael S. Young The RREEF Funds, 650 California Street, San Francisco, CA 94108          "Chaos is normal; normality is exceptional."

I also would like some information.  I am wondering what the average size of the fish in the John Day would be???  I have heard that there are some really nice Smallmouth in the river.  True?????                          MARTY MARTELLE                     Brittany’s, Chukars and Steelhead in                      Beautiful Boise, Idaho.                 and practicing law to support them             Homepage:Http://www.micron.net/~martelle

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We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc. I’ll bring a 6/7 wt rod with 7WF line. Should I have a very heavy leader? How long? Should I fish surface or below? Lots of questions, and perhaps someone out there as a few answers. Thanks in advance, Mike —                      Michael S. Young The RREEF Funds, 650 California Street, San Francisco, CA 94108           "Chaos is normal; normality is exceptional."

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In article We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc.

I have spent many, many days fishing the John Day, but all of it has been with conventional tackle.  The most effective lure I found was 3" Mr. Twisters, a grub like jig with a very supple tail, with a 1/4 oz lead jig hook.  based on this, I think that weighted wooley buggars would be your best bet, in black, white and yellow.  Some purple and olive buggars would be worth trying also.  I know that Cabela’s sells a wooley buggar like fly that has the same type of tail, and these would sure be worth trying. I’ll bring a 6/7 wt rod with 7WF line. Should I have a very heavy leader? How long? Should I fish surface or below?

The rod should be more than adequate.  As for leader, I would take both 7 1/2 ft and 9 ft leaders with a tippet breaking strength of around 8lbs.  I suspect that most of the fish you catch will be deep, but if you get a quite morning or evening, I’d sure be trying some poppers! Good Luck                Dan

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: Most people laugh when they see my "go to" fly, but it : has worked when nothing else has. It’s what I call a : Royal Gnat. It looks like a Griffith’s Gnat, but it Stuff deleted : fly fishing. I have caught 19 brown trout in 2 1/2 hours : with this fly (largest one was 14 in.).                                  ^^^^^^ Boy, that’s one big fly! : Darryl Charley

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My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat
renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I said
it.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the only
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Most people laugh when they see my "go to" fly, but it has worked when nothing else has. It’s what I call a Royal Gnat. It looks like a Griffith’s Gnat, but it has a floss mid-section just like a Royal Coachman. Red floss works well, but I have caught quite a few on green and yellow also. Sizes from 16 to 20. It’s been my experience that even when the fish aren’t rising, that if you drift one of these through a riffle around a dozen times, (if there are any fish) they start coming to the surface to take a look. I know I’m going to get a lot of disbelief on this, thats why I have hesitated writing, but the last time out with a buddy, I gave him a few and told him how to fish them, and he had the best day he ever had fly fishing. I have caught 19 brown trout in 2 1/2 hours with this fly (largest one was 14 in.). Darryl

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Lets see who has caught lots of fish on what flies and where? My most productive rivertrout fly is the #14 Elk hair Caddis, and the #14 Light Cahill. The biggest fish I have caught on a dry in my one and a half years of fishing is a 16 in Rainbow on HAt creek in CA. How about all of you guys. I want poeple to talk about fishing not yuppies, Thanks.

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Lets see who has caught lots of fish on what flies and where? My most productive rivertrout fly is the #14 Elk hair Caddis, and the #14 Light Cahill. The biggest fish I have caught on a dry in my one and a half years of fishing is a 16 in Rainbow on HAt creek in CA. How about all of you

The most productive pattern over the last two years has been the Micro Worm (a variation on the San Juan worm). Most satisfying experience was last year when we took out a young fellow new to the sport. It was slow fishing but he hooked the first fish of the day, and the last. The last was a twenty five inch Brown. The huge grin that he was sporting is not something that will be soon forgotten. Sort of puts it all back in perspective. Flyfishing is supposed to be fun for all involved. Jim

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A list of favorite patterns would have to include the Tom Thumb, pheasant tail nymph, serendipity(?), comparadun, Werners nymph. I have by best luck on the BlackWater River in B.C. and on the Deschutes in Oregon.

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: Lets see who has caught lots of fish on what flies and where? My most : productive rivertrout fly is the #14 Elk hair Caddis, and the #14 Light : Cahill. The biggest fish I have caught on a dry in my one and a half years : of fishing is a 16 in Rainbow on HAt creek in CA. How about all of you : guys. I want poeple to talk about fishing not yuppies, Thanks. My best luck on dry flies comes with a #22 griffith’s gnat, #20 light cahill (both on the swift river), and #16-18 elk hair or poly wing caddis of the appropriate color (on the deerfield river).  The adams can’t be beat for a standard search pattern or as a reasonable facsimile of most hatches.

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For both here in Upper Michigan and Alaska, I like the Humpy.  Great floatability in the fast waters I fish.  I went through no less than forty of them here in the U.P. last year.  My second favorite is the elk hair caddis.      Steve Kernosky   *         Accept me for what I am, Michigan Tech. Univ.  *         completely unacceptable.

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Lets see who has caught lots of fish on what flies and where? My most productive rivertrout fly is the #14 Elk hair Caddis, and the #14 Light Cahill. The biggest fish I have caught on a dry in my one and a half years of fishing is a 16 in Rainbow on HAt creek in CA. How about all of you guys. I want poeple to talk about fishing not yuppies, Thanks.

My favorite pattern, the one I find myself digging for again and again is a #20-22 blond elk-hair caddis.  Caught the most on these boys. (central and southern Missouri) My biggist fish (20 1/2"  #4 3/4 Brown) was on a #6 McSalmon on the Madison. Kevin Franden                                   Informix Software, Inc.                                                 16011 College Blvd uunet!infmx!kevinf #include <patchlevel.h fprintf(DISCLAIMER,"I said what I said.n");       You only live once but if you do it right, once is enough                               Carpe Diem

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Lets see who has caught lots of fish on what flies and where? My most productive rivertrout fly is the #14 Elk hair Caddis, and the #14 Light Cahill. The biggest fish I have caught on a dry in my one and a half years of fishing is a 16 in Rainbow on HAt creek in CA. How about all of you guys. I want poeple to talk about fishing not yuppies, Thanks.

I carry lots of  flys but give me a Pheasant Tail Nymph, a Prince Nymph, and an assortment of  Elk Hair caddis and Para-duns and  I’ll be happy 90% of  the time. Here are my favorite patterns Nymphs & wet flys: Pheasant Tail Nymph ( Al Troth version)   Prince Nymph Zug Bug           Jay’s Stone ( my own ) March Brown Spider   Mini Leech                 Wooly Bugger               Dry Flys: Elk Hair Caddis Para-Dun Mac Salmon Dave’s Hopper Black Ant Griffiths Gnat Humpy Old Standbys: Adams Black Gnat Light Cahill Royal Wulff Muddler Minnow Ive done most of my fly fishing in Oregon and I have had the best fishing in these streams and some high lakes: Lower Deschutes Crooked River Metolius Wood Williamson Klamath

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My favorite has to be the Humpie. It’s produced many memorable days. Second is the Parachute Adams or  a similiar fly tied in brown. Biggest was a 24"  Rainbow( really) on a floating foam chrionomid. Bead head hairs ears are the favorite nymph- while maybe the Prince should be number one.

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Re: Dry flies. My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I said it.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the only one that ties this on when nothing is working??? — MGC Top Down Design Support

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Dry flies. My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I said it.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the only one that ties this on when nothing is working??? — MGC Top Down Design Support Most people laugh when they see my "go to" fly, but it has worked when nothing else has. It’s what I call a Royal Gnat. It looks like a Griffith’s Gnat, but it has a floss mid-section just like a Royal Coachman. Red floss works well, but I have caught quite a few on green and yellow also. Sizes from 16 to 20.

This sounds a lot like a "Sierra Bright Dot". It has grizzly hackle at the head and butt of the fly and *bright* orange floss in the middle.  I’ve done real well with them on some high country Sierra Nevada lakes. — John Fereira   "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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