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Having spent a couple enjoyable afternoons casting around on Chittenango Creek, I’m wondering if there are stretches that make more sense for fly fishing than others.  I’ve been drifting nymphs in the fast water within a mile below the falls, mostly because the lower stretches have numerous posted signs. Are there any public areas I’m missing above or below the village?  How about above the falls?  Thanks in advance. DS

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DS, I didn’t know Chittenango Creek was open this time of year.  Well anyway, there is a public fishing area above the falls a little ways that I’ve never had much luck at but it might be worth a try.  I’ve never had any problem with posted land along the stream, the only area that’s posted that I know of that prevents access is near the concrete blocks with the cable strung between them. If you drive downstream from the falls on the highway the first left hand turn on a gravel rd ( I can’t remember the name) will allow pretty easy access.  Downstream from the gravel road there are plenty of nice pools and riffles that hold some decent fish but can be a little hard to maneuver around when summer rolls around and the area gets more overgrown. I’ve never fished much in the village but have seen many others.  Check out the Yankee Fly shop in the village the owner would probably know more than I. I have to say that Chittenango creek is one of my favorite streams the entire area below the falls has plenty of fish. Hope this helps. Wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having spent a couple enjoyable afternoons casting around on Chittenango Creek, I’m wondering if there are stretches that make more sense for fly fishing than others.  I’ve been drifting nymphs in the fast water within a mile below the falls, mostly because the lower stretches have numerous posted signs. Are there any public areas I’m missing above or below the village?  How about above the falls?  Thanks in advance. DS

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X-no-archive: yes Animal rights Internet lists are abuzz over the summer movie Instinct, which stars Anthony Hopkins as a primatologist.  Activists claim the film has a strong animal rights message. Don’t give this movie your money.

I saw the movie about ten days ago.  The animal rights message, as explicitly stated, is reasonable enough, i.e. the wanton slaughter of gorillas is a bad thing.  The subliminal messages which may come through have been the topic of a great deal of discussion here in the past month or so, but I don’t think the film has much to add, or that it will make a great impression on the general public.  There is, however, an even better reason to avoid this one; it’s a bad movie.  The cast looked pretty bored throughout and left me feeling much the same.  Maybe I’m just tired of people loping around in bad gorilla costumes.

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What is now left my friends? I ask  you humbly what may we discuss? without wishing to cause tension on the surface, perhaps the meniscus? If treated properly perhaps this odd phenomenon will disappear or sink, for those of you now quite alarmed, dont worry friends , it will float again with gink. The souls of fishes long departed may return at last to haunt us anglers all, the wanton bludgeoning we once practiced in our youth begin with age to pall, what can one do, how may one then, avoid such horrible and all consuming fate? one might perhaps then praise the fish in prayer, before placing it well spiced and heated on ones plate. Oh lord I fear that what I did perhaps was not quite right, and maybe not your wish but lord forgive me please, judge not harshly, remembering I used a  fly to catch this glorious fish. There are some who would have us think that fishing is an evil thing, in actual fact a heinous crime Or did you lord, when we were placed here,  think of us, and give us all these lumps of tasty protein packed in slime ? I may be wrong of course oh lord, and even far too proud in my assumptions of your wishes, in which case then I will surely land in hell, and burn forever as a punishment for bludgeoning all those fishes. Whatever lord, although it may be wrong, and not in accord with your decrees, this fascinating fishing with an artificial fly. If you dont mind, and nothing else occurs to change my mind, I

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The Missouri River Trout Shop in Craig rents Kingfisher kickboats.

Thanks, Bruce.  By the way, any further news about the legislation to overturn the referendum? Mark Faulkner

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Mark, The Missouri River Trout Shop in Craig rents Kingfisher kickboats. They also rent driftboats and provide guide service, lodging, and food. Plus a full service flyshop. They have a new website but can’t remember the URL try troutshop.com bruce

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service? I’d be interested in seeing if anyone responds.  Tried to find rental kickboats around Missoula a couple years back, but couldn’t. I checked every shop and the regular rental businesses.   Might be a liability thing, I don’t know (damn lawyers).  Anyhow, I bought one instead, then had it shipped home. A shuttle should be easier to find – check with a local flyshop and they should know who is doing it.  I’ve made arrangements around Missoula and Dillon, but not over on the Missouri. Mark Faulkner

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Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service? Thanks,  G

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Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service?

I’d be interested in seeing if anyone responds.  Tried to find rental kickboats around Missoula a couple years back, but couldn’t. I checked every shop and the regular rental businesses.   Might be a liability thing, I don’t know (damn lawyers).  Anyhow, I bought one instead, then had it shipped home.  A shuttle should be easier to find – check with a local flyshop and they should know who is doing it.  I’ve made arrangements around Missoula and Dillon, but not over on the Missouri. Mark Faulkner

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Sure its early!  Everybody else its still working off the holidays…. Anybody with nformation drop a note. Who’s up for some flyfishing afterwards? Ciao! Blair

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Sure its early!  Everybody else its still working off the holidays…. Anybody with nformation drop a note. Who’s up for some flyfishing afterwards? Ciao! Blair

We have a snall US and Canadian contingent going down there for the race. Training has been quite interesting for me over the winter months (I don’t know if I can put myself up to this again!). I think there is one person in our contingent who might bring the flyfishing gear. As for me, I don’t know if flyfishing is up my alley…bungee jumping is more like it! See you down there.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Sure its early!  Everybody else its still working off the holidays…. Anybody with nformation drop a note. Who’s up for some flyfishing afterwards? Ciao! Blair We have a snall US and Canadian contingent going down there for the race. Training has been quite interesting for me over the winter months (I don’t know if I can put myself up to this again!). I think there is one person in our contingent who might bring the flyfishing gear. As for me, I don’t know if

I’m not a flyfisherman, so take this with a grain of salt.  I’m pretty certain that you can hire all the gear form the fishing guides/boatmen at Taupo.  Seems crazy to lug even more gear across the world!  Though, I suppose a rod could go in the bike box Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – flyfishing is up my alley…bungee jumping is more like it! See you down there.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Considering all of the self promoting, childish in fighting that has developed recently in this newsgroup, I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  I also propose that all members of PAFF are required to own and drive either an Orvis Jeep or one of the Lexus/Mercedes SUV’s.  In addition, streamside attire must include the bandana tied around the neck, the pastel colored fishing shirt and the standard Aussie outback hat with chin strap included.  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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[deleted] I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing.

Fly. [deleted] Yeah…but that would be redundant. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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okay but only if I get to wear love beads and a peace sign…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Considering all of the self promoting, childish in fighting that has developed recently in this newsgroup, I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  I also propose that all members of PAFF are required to own and drive either an Orvis Jeep or one of the Lexus/Mercedes SUV’s.  In addition, streamside attire must include the bandana tied around the neck, the pastel colored fishing shirt and the standard Aussie outback hat with chin strap included.  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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<snip I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  <snip  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-)                                                                 =8=

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse

Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~)

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~)

; )

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George: << Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~) I didn’t write that, George.  The very adult "spiderman" did. DL

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This is only a test. Do not adjust your set.

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Fiddleaway, Check your tippet next time this happens. If your Woolly Bugger is spinning clockwise, next time you tie you should palmer anticlockwise. You may accidentally be tying the version required for fishing in the southern hemisphere. Easy! Cheers John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

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Fiddleaway, How heavy a leader are you using?  If it’s too light, that might exacerbate the problem. Pete C

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I think that’s it mate. I can probably test my patterns in the tub drain eddy in the bathroom! Thanks. —                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fiddleaway, Check your tippet next time this happens. If your Woolly Bugger is spinning clockwise, next time you tie you should palmer anticlockwise. You may accidentally be tying the version required for fishing in the southern hemisphere. Easy! Cheers John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

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I give up! No matter which orientation I use for the palmer hackle (barbs toward eye or away from eye) my wooly buggers end up twirling (don’t know if it’s when I cast or as I retrieve, but I assume it’s the former).  Eventually, the tippet gets so fouled up I have to change it.  What a pain. I cannot for the life of me figure out what’s different between mine and the commercially tied ones (which do not exhibit the problem). Any suggestions? —                                                       -dnc-

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FiddleAway, could it be that you are using a dry fly hackle and the commercial flies are tid with a softer wet fly hackle? Just guessing.             Jim

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Two Suggestions: 1.  Put your weight on the front half of the hook and dub filler on the rest beore you use the chenille. 2.  Either bead heads or lead eyes help to stabilize the fly. 3.  You may not have enough tailing maribou–works kind of like a kite in the wind for this type of fly. Hope this helps. ECJ

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I use died saddle feathers which seem of fairly wet quality.  But stiffness is not a quality I’ve paid attention to, so I’ll take more care.  Thanks. —                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FiddleAway, could it be that you are using a dry fly hackle and the commercial flies are tid with a softer wet fly hackle? Just guessing.             Jim

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Yes, I’ve been distributing the weight.  Maybe that’s the problem.  I’ll try concentrating it at the head. Your tail comment stands to reason although I notice that commercial versions of Wooly worms<  (i.e., much less tail) do not have the problem (but my wooly worms do, same as my wooly buggers ????) Thanks for your suggestions. —                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two Suggestions: 1.  Put your weight on the front half of the hook and dub filler on the rest beore you use the chenille. 2.  Either bead heads or lead eyes help to stabilize the fly. 3.  You may not have enough tailing maribou–works kind of like a kite in the wind for this type of fly. Hope this helps. ECJ

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I give up! No matter which orientation I use for the palmer hackle (barbs toward eye or away from eye) my wooly buggers end up twirling (don’t know if it’s when I cast or as I retrieve, but I assume it’s the former).  Eventually, the tippet gets so fouled up I have to change it.  What a pain. I cannot for the life of me figure out what’s different between mine and the commercially tied ones (which do not exhibit the problem). Any suggestions? —                                                      -dnc-

Take a couple turns of hackle around the head instead of stopping or starting your hackle all of a sudden. bsman

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: Two Suggestions: : 1.  Put your weight on the front half of the hook and dub filler on the rest : beore you use the chenille. <snip In addition to stabilizing the fly, this helps it dart around a bit. When I tie ‘em (white wooly bugger is my favorite warm weather fly), I wrap the front half of the shank in lead.  Of course, you will want to leave a little space at the front to whip in the head, etc. —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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I would echo Tom Hewitt’s comment re: standing in a canoe
to flyfish.  Canoes are an excellent platform if you want to develop the skill. I would note, however, that not all canoes
perform equally for this purpose.  As mentioned in Tom’s article
flat, shallow-v, and shallow-arch bottomed boats in general are
better choices to begin with. But keep in mind that your own sense of balance will determine which boat you feel most comfortable in.  Some v-hulled canoes are rather narrow (33 inches and less for 16′ length) and tho stable feeling while sitting, grow inherently less stable as the the center
of gravity moves higher compared to wider (34" up width) boats.
There are several ways to become accustomed to standing in a
canoe to flyfish or pole, or to scout a rapid, etc…  One would be to simply take the boat you have now and start practicing.
The second would be to borrow or use as flat-bottomed a boat as you can find and start at that level.  Progress to a better quality canoe as you feel more capable.  Your progress will be
limited only by your tenacity.  Even so, it is not a hard skill
to learn.
One can also attach sponsons or outriggers to add a measure of safety and security to your initial efforts.  However, these add-ons are not very portable, interfere with the maneuverability of the canoe, and are only necessary if one’s sense of balance is not particularly good.  Purchasing or building
these appertenances is a personal call.  Look in the classified section of Paddler or Canoe and Kayak magazine for info on these products. As to finding a used boat.  Good luck.  Good quality used canoes are snapped up pretty quickly and are hard to find. One suggestion that might pan out is your local canoe club.  Members
are always buying and swapping.  Call the American Canoe Assoc.
member club that is closest to you to get info.  Their web address
is: http://www.aca-paddler.org/
Dave Hadden, Owner
Vision Canoes
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I am looking for a new or secondhand Hardy #4 fly reel to match a Loomis #4 IMX rod. Marquis #4 or #5 , Golden Prince 5/6 or JLH Ultralite #4 or #5. Any info will be of great help. Thanks

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I am looking for a new or secondhand Hardy #4 fly reel to match a Loomis #4 IMX rod. Marquis #4 or #5 , Golden Prince 5/6 or JLH Ultralite #4 or #5. Any info will be of great help. Thanks

Contact Timeless Tackle in Edinburgh Scotland at 44-131-667-1407 or FAX 44-131-662-4215.  They deal in used and antique fishing gear and their list always seems to have a large selection of Hardy equipment. Ken Barry

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Does anyone know about beaver creek in CA this year or at all? I was there last year late in the summer and the water was realy low. The were a lot of feed bugs in the water, but the water was too low to produce any sizable trout. Any info on the creek would be great. TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

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Tim, where do you fish Beaver Ck.? in the park or up outa Sourgrass? I would expect the water to be high right now. The Stanislaus at Sourgrass was pretty high and fast a couple weeks ago. As I remember the fish aren’t really big there. This time of the year, due to high, fast water fish close to the river bank. There are some nice holes outa Sourgrass and up the creek where the road crosses Beaver Ck. wish you luck, Bob

: Does anyone know about beaver creek in CA this year or at all? I was there : last year late in the summer and the water was realy low. The were a lot : of feed bugs in the water, but the water was too low to produce any : sizable trout. Any info on the creek would be great. : TimFLYFISH : Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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I’m planning a trip to the Lundy Lake area over Memorial Day Weekend. This trip has to be 70% family camping, just 30% flyfishing.  (I realize these figures should be reversed.)  Any suggestions on campgrounds, fishing destinations, flies & equipment?

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I’m planning a trip to the Lundy Lake area over Memorial Day Weekend. This trip has to be 70% family camping, just 30% flyfishing.  (I realize these figures should be reversed.)  Any suggestions on campgrounds, fishing destinations, flies & equipment?

There just a few rustic campsites at Lundy lake.  There are also many other campsites at Virginia Lakes (about 5 miles north),  Lee Vining Canyon (about five miles south), and several campgrounds along the June Lake loop.   There is fishing in Lundy as well as the Virginia Lakes, the lakes around June Lake loop, and many, many others in the area.  You might try going up to Saddlebag Lake (just before the eastern entrance to Yosemite) and take the shuttleboat to fish 20 Lakes Basin.  From the basin you can hike about 5 miles (all downhill) back into Lundy Lake. You might also try the beaver ponds above Lundy.   — John Fereira

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