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traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water. Have a great day!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hamilton, Montana: 15 Oct 02 (Trip Report Begins) We are camped on the Bitterroot River at The Angler’s Roost. The weather is gorgeous, the Montana sky blue.  Fly fishing now finds one standing in a river tunnel of golden laced Aspen and Maple trees.  The fires of fused fall colors dazzles in the sun as large, fall caddis’, dance on wiffs of warm air currents.  A light breeze brushes against your face with all the sweet fregrances of fall smells, and warming pines. . . gives pause.  One cannot but help smile as the blue tuxedoed king fisher flips along in staggered flight to the other side of the river with a wiggling minnow in its mouth. The oozel also fishes along with you not that far away, and off to the left, a cutthroat trout sups upon midges. It’s going to be a good day. George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-Rod-BastardBambooRodKits.html

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traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water.

    i believe you could be laying out line in the nantahala river, southwestern north carolina, in less than four hours from where you live. and charlie choc can put you on some great little streams in north by god georgia.     give the lady a hand, duc! your friend in the old north state wayno

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traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water. Have a great day!!!

Suzanna You might want to check out Jimmy Jacobs.  He has published a couple books on streams in the southeast.  The fishing here doesn’t compare to that in the west but there are some streams within a couple hours drive from the metro Atlanta area.

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Where is this Charlie Choc????

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water.     i believe you could be laying out line in the nantahala river, southwestern north carolina, in less than four hours from where you live. and charlie choc can put you on some great little streams in north by god georgia.     give the lady a hand, duc! your friend in the old north state wayno

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Where is this Charlie Choc????

Right here. <g I live in the Atlanta area and fish mostly Noontootla Creek these days, which isn’t that far – about an hour and a half for me, and doesn’t get blown out easily by rain. There is some nice water around Robbinsville NC (Snowbird and Santeetlah), where some of the NC contingent is gathering next week which is around a 3 hour drive, as is Tellico if you like bigger fish and more crowded fishing. Have you ever checked out the site: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/ ? It has a lot of good information about streams in north Georgia. — Charlie…

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Hamilton, Montana: 15 Oct 02 (Trip Report Begins) We are camped on the Bitterroot River at The Angler’s Roost. The weather is gorgeous, the Montana sky blue.  Fly fishing now finds one standing in a river tunnel of golden laced Aspen and Maple trees.  The fires of fused fall colors dazzles in the sun as large, fall caddis’, dance on wiffs of warm air currents.  A light breeze brushes against your face with all the sweet fregrances of fall smells, and warming pines. . . gives pause.  One cannot but help smile as the blue tuxedoed king fisher flips along in staggered flight to the other side of the river with a wiggling minnow in its mouth. The oozel also fishes along with you not that far away, and off to the left, a cutthroat trout sups upon midges. It’s going to be a good day. George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-Rod-BastardBambooRodKits.html

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oh yea…sounds like a real good day … up there… enjoy….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hamilton, Montana: 15 Oct 02 (Trip Report Begins) We are camped on the Bitterroot River at The Angler’s Roost. The weather is gorgeous, the Montana sky blue.  Fly fishing now finds one standing in a river tunnel of golden laced Aspen and Maple trees.  The fires of fused fall colors dazzles in the sun as large, fall caddis’, dance on wiffs of warm air currents.  A light breeze brushes against your face with all the sweet fregrances of fall smells, and warming pines. . . gives pause.  One cannot but help smile as the blue tuxedoed king fisher flips along in staggered flight to the other side of the river with a wiggling minnow in its mouth. The oozel also fishes along with you not that far away, and off to the left, a cutthroat trout sups upon midges. It’s going to be a good day. George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-Rod-BastardBambooRodKits.html

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Mark Rey, long time timber lobbyist is in charge of our forests, and starting  to work on weakening all logging laws: Former Timber corporation lobbyist now head of our national forests: http://www.missoulian.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/Jun… A natural split with Bush- many longtime  conservative EPA officials are quitting: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-000039065jun03.story Lawmakers offer bi-partisan protection for national forests: http://ens-news.com/ens/jun2002/2002-06-05-07.asp Congress recognizes the voice of the American  people, offers bill and recognizes the 2 million  public comments favoring roadless protection, concedes  60 percent of republicans favor roadless protection as well: http://www.enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/06/06062002/reu_47454.asp Congress, industry recognize the vast  majority of american citizens favor protecting our last wild and unroaded forests: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/73893_pot08.shtml — Sent by sonvolt55  from  hotmail subpart from com This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header. Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.

It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species…

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot. It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species…

Careful Tripper; a glance at your medical records suggests YOU are on the list.     Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot. It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species… Careful Tripper; a glance at your medical records suggests YOU are on the list.     Wolfgang

No doubt I’d be fatally injured before I even got in range of mr. bob’s felling… /daytripper (the hits just keep on coming

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"\ I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.\

I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees. He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

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"\ I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.\ I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees.

If it was nothing like responsible land management, why did you do it? He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.

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I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees. He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

SPLORK! The musk thang is an obnoxious jerk who gets his kicks out of baiting anyone who might disagree with him with his outrageous headers. He is totally opposed to any requests to limit or curtail his off topic behavoir. He regularly morphs his nick to get around the filters of those who attempt to ignore him, and he hides behind free posting services and conceals his email because his behavior violates most ISP’s terms. He has lost a couple of accounts in the past due to the volume of complaints regarding his behavior. I could care less if he’s a hunter, a fisherman or a cross dressing dwarf, he’s still an annoying insect. If he had brains, he’d be more considerate of those who don’t want to see his posts instead of using periodic nick morphing to get around our filters. Flyfish

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai. He has a gorgeous blonde girlfriend(ive never seen so many stares in my direction thanks to walking with her on several occasions), a nice ride and an even nicer selection of fly rods. Perhaps you are jealous of that? He is a positive, hopeful person  and people seem to gravitate to him. He, like I also have the glorious choices of fishing in a still unspoiled setting, which is something you don’t have Mike. Perhaps if someone in Europe had spoken up and made noise a long time ago the fishing and habitat wouldnt be so poor now, and the choices so few.

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Musty Ass has spoken.

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai.

I could not care less about his girlfriend or his fly-rods. The only thing I care about, is the fact that he costs me money with his constant Usenet abuse. The problem is solved for me at least. I have unsubscribed from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly  as it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. I will occasionally have a look in, using Google ( where I don

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there.

WEB CAM! WEB CAM! SCREAMIN’ STREAMIN’ VIDEO!!!

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(AuSable1) writes: All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth. Hope to see you there.

Just out of curiosity, which flies at the *factory* are yours? or is this something new? Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there. Yippee Tie One On! Dennis Potter, Fly Crafter

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there. Yippee Tie One On! Dennis Potter, Fly Crafter

_______  Sounds interesting enough to make me consider flying there and attending.  Thanks for the information Dennis. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Hi, Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Thanks in advance. Kang

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Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October.

Closest would be the Clackamas and Sandy, both of which run through the metro area. Closest for world class fly fishing would be the North Santiam, about an hour south of PDX

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Hi, Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Thanks in advance. Kang

Go to the Deschutes river.   You’ll have a chance to catch trout and steelhead.   Check at a couple of the fly shops in Portland.   One other fishery that will be going on is the Tillomook bay/river.  You can go for the BIG chinook in the Trask or Wilson rivers.   There are other rivers on the coast that have this same fall chinook run going on.  When you get into town call Fisherman’s Outdoor at 503-283-8310 or Great American Tackle at 503-650-2662 they can direct you in the right direction. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Closest would be the Clackamas and Sandy, both of which run through the metro area. Closest for world class fly fishing would be the North Santiam, about an hour south of PDX

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/

Guess that just goes to show you…. I floated the section around Mill City/Lyons last weekend. Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours. Waded one bar and caught at least 10 in 20 minutes. Most in the 10"-12" range, a few dinks and one truly huge cut. Maybe the river isn’t the problem….

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Well, good for you! I didn’t have my flyrod along on Sunday, but was keeping a watchful eye for rising fish, and saw none. Guess we have different opinions on what constitutes a "World Class river." I like the N. Santiam, but have never seen it given that kind of status. Also, never have seen it listed in any "top rivers" articles. I didn’t see my experience as a "problem" as I wasn’t fishing. If I was and I heard about your success the prior day, I would readily admit that it was my problem! Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/ Guess that just goes to show you…. I floated the section around Mill City/Lyons last weekend. Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours. Waded one bar and caught at least 10 in 20 minutes. Most in the 10"-12" range, a few dinks and one truly huge cut. Maybe the river isn’t the problem….

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing

river." Someone responsed: Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours.

The North Santiam can be excellent for trout and steelhead until they start dumping lots of water out of Detroit Reservoir.  For bank fishers I would rank it behind the Deschutes, but for float fishers, there are some outstanding areas. Thomas Gilg

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I was hoping that someone out there might have some information about flyfishing in Brazil. I was thinking of travelling to either Pantanal or Rio Grande do Sul.  I am really beginning my quest, so if anyone can suggest any other areas please let me know. I believe that the Dorado is much fished for as well as the peacock bass in the Amazon, does anyone know of other species? Thank you for your help. Nick Palliser

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Nick Try asking on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly which is a mainly US based NG, you should get some good info there, if they can tear themselves away from the catch and release debate for long enough — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was hoping that someone out there might have some information about flyfishing in Brazil. I was thinking of travelling to either Pantanal or Rio Grande do Sul.  I am really beginning my quest, so if anyone can suggest any other areas please let me know. I believe that the Dorado is much fished for as well as the peacock bass in the Amazon, does anyone know of other species? Thank you for your help. Nick Palliser

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Nick: I lived in Bolivia last year.  There is a large fish called Serubi(spelling is wrong) that would be a challenge to catch on a fly rig.  But if you do your in for some good eating! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was hoping that someone out there might have some information about flyfishing in Brazil. I was thinking of travelling to either Pantanal or Rio Grande do Sul.  I am really beginning my quest, so if anyone can suggest any other areas please let me know. I believe that the Dorado is much fished for as well as the peacock bass in the Amazon, does anyone know of other species? Thank you for your help. Nick Palliser

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Looking for a  good campsite on a lake or river for fly fishing for trout in Denali,AK.  Will backpack a short distance to campsite.  Are there any cabins on lakes or rivers in or close by Denali that offer good fly fishing?  Thanks for your help!    

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Try Every stream you come to you and you are sure to find some good fishing…. I was never dissapointed in Alaska..

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Will be in West Yellowstone mid July for about 5 days.  Want to fish a couple of days in the Park.  Any suggestions for areas to hike in 2-3 miles to escape the crowds?  Fly selection?  Current conditions? Thanks.  J. Rice

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Will be in West Yellowstone mid July for about 5 days.  Want to fish a couple of days in the Park.  Any suggestions for areas to hike in 2-3 miles to escape the crowds?  Fly selection?  Current conditions? Thanks.  J. Rice

Hi J.Rice A quick call to Bob Jacklin’s Fly Shop will get you up-to-the second information (406-646-7336).  The water conditions are changing so rapidly you need very current conditions.  A storm in the park can change everything overnight. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Thank you for sharing this info. It would help to know which creek. I fish the Stanislaus often, and when I was there for mem. day I had the same luck as you. it would be great to know a secondary place to go. One question though, are the rainbows native or stocked, if they are stocked it would suggest that the creek is popular, is that so? TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

This is not rocket science.  You break out the gazetteer, you look for streams that might be large enough to hold trout, you go check them out.  The one I found is right along a road.  In a normal year there probably wouldn’t be enough water, except for a couple of holes that never dry up.  That’s where the trout survive.  The ‘bows were pretty silvery, suggesting plants, but a little small for the standard DF&G planter.  I was clearly not the first person to find this hole. Happy hunting! Sean Brennan (std disclaimers)

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Tried fishing the Stanislaus below Tulloch dam yesterday.  The river is easily 1 ft above normal levels. The visibility was ~2ft.  I tried my standard collection of bead-heads w/o success.  Did not see any rises during the 3 hours I was there.  Spent several hours in the afternoon on a little creek near Sonora (No Tim, I’m not saying which one) which in a normal year would probably be a trickle, but now has a healthy flow.   Pulled 4 rainbows out with a BH prince, all 8-10".  Just at dusk caught another on an Elk-hair Caddis.  A thoroughly enjoyable day.  Thank goodness for the gazetteer! Best wishes, Sean Brennan (std disclaimers)

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Thank you for sharing this info. It would help to know which creek. I fish the Stanislaus often, and when I was there for mem. day I had the same luck as you. it would be great to know a secondary place to go. One question though, are the rainbows native or stocked, if they are stocked it would suggest that the creek is popular, is that so? TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

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Do you need goods or have questions about fly tying, tools or materials?  Would be happy to help anyone out.

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YOU BET. I CAN USE ALL THE INFO I CAN GET ABOUT FLY TYING.  I JUST STARTED AND I THINK I’VE SET A NEW STANDARD FOR CLUTZINESS.  BUT I INTEND TO KEEP IT UP .  I CAN ONLY GET BETTER.  THANKS FOR WHATEVER YOU CAN PROVIDE.

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YOU BET. I CAN USE ALL THE INFO I CAN GET ABOUT FLY TYING.  I JUST STARTED AND I THINK I’VE SET A NEW STANDARD FOR CLUTZINESS.  BUT I INTEND TO KEEP IT UP .  I CAN ONLY GET BETTER.  THANKS FOR WHATEVER YOU CAN PROVIDE.

I can understand everything you are going through.I would try to find a fly tying course or flyfishing club. Practice makes perfect.

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Sorry about the subject error, but does anyone know of any WWW sites about fly fishing

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The only ones I know of are: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~jsuchosk/fish/fishpage http://www.indirect.com/ftplink/jshannon.indirect.com.html http://www.unm.edu/pub/flyfish/flyfish.html http://www2.ecst.csuchico.edu/~jschlich http://oeonline.com/~rmarsh/fishpg.html http://www.mind.net/vmt http://www.getnet.com/salmoart http://rmii.com/~flyshop/flyshop.html http://zebu.uoregon.edu/cgi-bin2/Mckenzie/Mckfrontend.pl http://www.peak.org/~robertr/fishing.html http://eagle.dfw.or.gov I hope it is appropriate to publish these.  I started to just email them to you, then decided others might be interested.  I make no guarantees on the effectiveness of these addresses.   If my typing skills don’t get you, some are untested, some are just dated.  I haven’t actually tried all of these since I generally get into this group before getting on the WEB and then I run out of time after reading all the posts on how we hate YUPs.  I need to start a thread on Lawyers…… Have fun, Charley

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