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The principal of my elementary school was named Lyman Edward Angel. Had a daughter that was a little older than me that was friends with my sis, but I can’t remember her name. Small world. That’s my wife’s aunt. Drew

Hit me just now. Her name is Dawn. That the one? — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. I’m in Lenoir which is pronounced:  "len-war"–like that fellas name that painted out of focus pictures, Renoir– at least  to us sofisticated folk. Actually grew-up and live in the Raleigh–name after the cigerette brand– area most my life, but don’t ever expect to move back.

Not as long as I live here, anyway.

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charles, i reside in the sunny community of foscoe… –waldo Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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charles, i reside in the sunny community of foscoe… –waldo

That’s near Morganton, right? — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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charles, i reside in the sunny community of foscoe… –waldo That’s near Morganton, right? —

actually, near boone. the store is in morganton. –walt

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actually, near boone. the store is in morganton. –walt

Gotcha. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Hit me just now. Her name is Dawn. That the one?

That’s the one. Drew

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……I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are…..

Uh oh. Wolfgang somewhere in stanley.

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greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff Noted. —

uh oh. Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

UH OH! Wolfgang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff Noted. — uh oh. Charles Davis   K4SWB <I’m The NRA UH OH! Wolfgang

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are.

I’m in Atlanta, but it’s the source of most of the folks fishing the Nantahala. <g — Charlie…

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here.

I’m in Lenoir which is pronounced:  "len-war"–like that fellas name that painted out of focus pictures, Renoir– at least  to us sofisticated folk. Actually grew-up and live in the Raleigh–name after the cigerette brand– area most my life, but don’t ever expect to move back. Mark  –aka Opie, Op, asshole, shit-maggot–

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The principal of my elementary school was named Lyman Edward Angel. Had a daughter that was a little older than me that was friends with my sis, but I can’t remember her name.

Small world. That’s my wife’s aunt. Drew

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. I’m in Lenoir which is pronounced:  "len-war"–like that fellas name that painted out of focus pictures, Renoir– at least  to us sofisticated folk.

I’ve never heard it pronounced that way, but then I know few sofisticates. Actually grew-up and live in the Raleigh–name after the cigerette brand– area most my life, but don’t ever expect to move back.

I went there once, and that was enough. Mark  –aka Opie, Op, asshole, shit-maggot–

Sounds like we might be kin. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks.

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro.

        sweet baby jesus–rockingham county.  where do you keep your trailer? I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks.

        now charles, this here ain’t one of them 1984 big brother deals, is it?         just kiddin, of course.  some of my best friends live in rockingham county. wayno 1519 whilden place greensboro  27408

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says… I’m in Charlotte. Grew up in Asheville with time spent in Watauga County. You familiar with any Angels or Trents up that way? Matter of fact I’ll be up there on the 9th for a wedding. Drew Patterson

The principal of my elementary school was named Lyman Edward Angel. Had a daughter that was a little older than me that was friends with my sis, but I can’t remember her name. Betty Sue Trent ran the record store, and I went to school with some Trents, but that was loooooong ago, and in another galaxy, it seems. Got some neighbors named Patterson. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff

Noted. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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says…    sweet baby jesus–rockingham county.  where do you keep your trailer?

I should be so lucky. Still living in the truck, ‘cept when Shirley needs it to get to work at the beauty saloon.    now charles, this here ain’t one of them 1984 big brother deals, is it?

Nah. Just curious. What started me thinking was that it seems that whenever you all have a clave, they make the NC boys get off by themselves.    just kiddin, of course.  some of my best friends live in rockingham county.

I stayed in G’boro for a while, till she tossed me out. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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On the assumption that displaced Tarheels count, I’m just outside St Louis. Born in Murphy (Cherokee county) and grew up in Henderson county. I figger Missouri appreciates the cultural benefit provided by North Carolinians so much that they just won’t let me go. Still go to Murphy several times a year and have to go to Charlotte occasionally. I do have an annual NC non-resident fishing license. Bob Patton

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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says… On the assumption that displaced Tarheels count, I’m just outside St Louis. Born in Murphy (Cherokee county) and grew up in Henderson county. I figger Missouri appreciates the cultural benefit provided by North Carolinians so much that they just won’t let me go. Still go to Murphy several times a year and have to go to Charlotte occasionally. I do have an annual NC non-resident fishing license. Bob Patton

Everyone counts. I’ve just started a list so I can put people and places together. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are.

Rah-leigh.

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. Rah-leigh.

Thankee. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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I’m in Charlotte. Grew up in Asheville with time spent in Watauga County. You familiar with any Angels or Trents up that way? Matter of fact I’ll be up there on the 9th for a wedding. Drew Patterson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Mine–admittedly just for ordinary shoes–are made of cork.  Maybe traditional ones aren’t durable enough for repeated soaking and drying out.

Need Portuguese cork from a good rod-building site. — fly-tyin’, drift-boat-rowin’, dutch-oven-cookin’, spring-crick-fishin’ western mountain mamas who yodel in the throes of passion.com

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Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you

Custom orthotics are nowadays made of resin. You just put them in your wading boots. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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Be careful with insurance. As we all know, some generic substitutions are fine (for example, I’ve heard that Danish and Finnish nude masseuses are clinically equivalent to Swedish masseuses), but some HMOs will try to foist masseuses from Hungary of the Czech Republic, as to which there is insufficient research to justify it medically. I propose a double-blind test: you in a dark room with nude masseuses of various nationalities, including Canadians as a control, and the guy opening the door and letting them in wearing earplugs so he can’t hear the accents. Let me know how it turns out or if you need any volunteers to obtain a more statistically relevant sample. Also, more seriously, go get a second opinion on this stuff. Podiatrists are great in their specialty, but as Dirty Harry Callahan says, "A man’s got to know his limitations." — fly-tyin’, drift-boat-rowin’, dutch-oven-cookin’, spring-crick-fishin’ western mountain mamas who yodel in the throes of passion.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be lookin’ to all this stuff via the ‘net and my insurance policy.  I like the idea of the Swedish therapy most.  You think insurance will cover that as well?

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I thought you was a shrink Doc?  What you got a foot fetish too? I’ll be lookin’ to all this stuff via the ‘net and my insurance policy.  I like the idea of the Swedish therapy most.  You think insurance will cover that as well? Thanks Chris

— I used to be a shrink, but now I look at my feet all the time, so hence the expertise.  Actually, I looked this stuff up because I was concerned and put together my post based upon my research findings. If your insurance company does not cover well accepted medically necessary naked Swedish massage, then send a complaint to the insurance commission of your state.  Geesh, what are these mangled care, OOPS, I mean managed care companies coming to anyway? — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

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Aw heck JR, it was worth a shot….besides Ope knows I wish him the best, even if I don’t get all his goodies. FWIW, I have diabetes too, but mine can be controlled merely by watching my diet (can you say Dr Atkins?) and excersize. Frank (ain’t even *close* to bein’ a gear ho’) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, man.  What a brazen attempt to win the all-time, all-universe Gear Whore title. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above Jeez Ope, I’m sorry to hear of your multiple maladies.  I’m sure at your young age you can beat them all handily, but just in case you expire, kin I have your rod collection?  [might as well throw in all your flies too] <bseg Frank (I’m all heart) Church

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I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes.

<snipped while being sad —- G&F,  I am sorry to hear about these things especially the last one. However, the good news is that there has been some serious progress in the treatment of diabetes, including reactivating a person’s pancreas.  I read somewhere that they are experimenting implanting animal pancreatic tissue for humans. As to your other ailments, Lime’s disease goes away when you stop using Limes in tequila and substitute lemons.  (Of course, you may have meant Lyme’s disease and that responds pretty well to broad spectrum anti-biotics).  Tarsal on the other hand responds poorly to therapy because the flexor retinaculum cannot stretch very much. As the pressure increases in the Tarsal Tunnel, the nerve is the most sensitive to the pressure and is squeezed against the Flexor Retinaculum. This causes dysfunction of the nerve leading to the symptoms of Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome.  Since you have to walk you may be required to re-learn how to motor around without inflaming the nerve.  Orthotics may be suggested to relieve the stretching of the nerve. A cortisone injection may give some temporary relief of symptoms. Surgery is the last resort, but it enjoys a pretty good reputation of success.  Plantar fasciitis is usually caused by a biomechanical imbalance resulting in tension along the plantar fascia and may be related your Tarsal issue. Treatment consists of medial arch support, anti-inflammatory medications, ice massage and stretching. Corticosteroid injections and casting may also be tried. Surgical fasciotomy should be reserved for use in patients in whom conservative measures have failed despite correction of biomechanical abnormalities. Additional treatments that have proved effective in all of these conditions, include *daily* swedish massage by several naked swedish ladies (substitutes may be appropriate, but first talk to your Doctor before introducing other nationalities). —- Hope this helps…. —- Padishar Creel, health expert to the recently deceased.

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Oh, man.  What a brazen attempt to win the all-time, all-universe Gear Whore title. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeez Ope, I’m sorry to hear of your multiple maladies.  I’m sure at your young age you can beat them all handily, but just in case you expire, kin I have your rod collection?  [might as well throw in all your flies too] <bseg Frank (I’m all heart) Church

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Sorry to hear about your problems.  Get some answers quick about the "possibilities".  My mom had diabetes.  Terrible disease, but as Chris says, there are some much better treatments than in the past. Surprised the podiatrist didn’t suggest inserts, or is this not possible? Mine–admittedly just for ordinary shoes–are made of cork.  Maybe traditional ones aren’t durable enough for repeated soaking and drying out.  Might want to look into it though. I’m with you though, on not giving up wading rivers.  Some time ago there was a thread about rods carriers (as in spear carriers, as in flyfishing caddies).  If I ever get to where I can’t wade rivers, I hope I’m rich enough to hire a 6′6" 300 lb. fellow to carry me piggyback through my favorite steelhead runs. Hang in there. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes.

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I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment?

Don’t know about any of the others, but I have plantar fasciitis, and so does my sister.  Hurts like hell some mornings.  But I can tell you, cortisone injections work wonders for the short term, and orthotics work great for the long run.  My right foot was really bothering me, and the podiatrist tinkered with my orthotic for a while and got it fine tuned for me, and it’s been fine ever since.  Now my left foot is acting up, one of these days I need to get off my ass and go in and have him work in it too.  Especially with hunting season open now — it’s much more fun to put in the miles over hill and dale when my feet aren’t killing me. Kevin

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Since you were first to ask, yes you may.  However, you will have to share them with my creditors, as my fly gear is all I actually own.  All my other toys are debt laden! Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeez Ope, I’m sorry to hear of your multiple maladies.  I’m sure at your young age you can beat them all handily, but just in case you expire, kin I have your rod collection?  [might as well throw in all your flies too] <bseg Frank (I’m all heart) Church I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you surly bastards is practicing his Voodoo on me?  Shit like this don’t happen fer no reason, ya know.  Dave, I apologize; now please, remove the pins from that doll. Damn the luck!  Just when I thought I was getting over my years of bodily abuse, due to over indulgence in drugs and alcohol, I find out that my warranty (according to the Doc) ran out at 40.  Two years past warranty and I’m ready for the scrap yard! Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment? Opie  –Planning for the Past, hopin’ for a future–

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I thought you was a shrink Doc?  What you got a foot fetish too? I’ll be lookin’ to all this stuff via the ‘net and my insurance policy.  I like the idea of the Swedish therapy most.  You think insurance will cover that as well? Thanks Chris Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. <snipped while being sad —- G&F,  I am sorry to hear about these things especially the last one. However, the good news is that there has been some serious progress in the treatment of diabetes, including reactivating a person’s pancreas.  I read somewhere that they are experimenting implanting animal pancreatic tissue for humans. As to your other ailments, Lime’s disease goes away when you stop using Limes in tequila and substitute lemons.  (Of course, you may have meant Lyme’s disease and that responds pretty well to broad spectrum anti-biotics).  Tarsal on the other hand responds poorly to therapy because the flexor retinaculum cannot stretch very much. As the pressure increases in the Tarsal Tunnel, the nerve is the most sensitive to the pressure and is squeezed against the Flexor Retinaculum. This causes dysfunction of the nerve leading to the symptoms of Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome.  Since you have to walk you may be required to re-learn how to motor around without inflaming the nerve.  Orthotics may be suggested to relieve the stretching of the nerve. A cortisone injection may give some temporary relief of symptoms. Surgery is the last resort, but it enjoys a pretty good reputation of success.  Plantar fasciitis is usually caused by a biomechanical imbalance resulting in tension along the plantar fascia and may be related your Tarsal issue. Treatment consists of medial arch support, anti-inflammatory medications, ice massage and stretching. Corticosteroid injections and casting may also be tried. Surgical fasciotomy should be reserved for use in patients in whom conservative measures have failed despite correction of biomechanical abnormalities. Additional treatments that have proved effective in all of these conditions, include *daily* swedish massage by several naked swedish ladies (substitutes may be appropriate, but first talk to your Doctor before introducing other nationalities). —- Hope this helps…. —- Padishar Creel, health expert to the recently deceased.

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I will check into what you have said, David.  Thanks for you help and kind words! Opie  –Eatin’ Crow, pigeon, and any other foul (pun intended) critter I happen upon–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Opie I didn’t do it. I wouldn’t wish that shit on anyone.  Just one suggestion, while you are on a health kick, have a limpid panel test done, and a metabolic panel as well; get your own copies of the test results; learn what the numbers mean; manage accordingly. Most of this shit is controllable via what you put in and do to yourself. Dave I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you surly bastards is practicing his Voodoo on me?  Shit like this don’t happen fer no reason, ya know.  Dave, I apologize; now please, remove the pins from that doll. Damn the luck!  Just when I thought I was getting over my years of bodily abuse, due to over indulgence in drugs and alcohol, I find out that my warranty (according to the Doc) ran out at 40.  Two years past warranty and I’m ready for the scrap yard! Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment? Opie  –Planning for the Past, hopin’ for a future–

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Yes, I intend to see other doctors concerning the *Lyme’s* (not Lime’s) Disease and diabetes.  However, I think I’ll stick with the foot doc for the others.  this is my first visit to a doc since my back surgeries in ‘92 & ‘93.  Just when you think thing can’t get worse, one misspells a word that could have come back to bite him in the ass.  But Nooooo, Dave S. takes the high road and actually offers kind words and good advise.  It’s hard to figure some people out (I’m talking about myself now!). Thanks for the suggestion Tom! Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not go to a *real* doc (or a series of them) and get another opinion(s)? Tom I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you surly bastards is practicing his Voodoo on me?  Shit like this don’t happen fer no reason, ya know.  Dave, I apologize; now please, remove the pins from that doll. Damn the luck!  Just when I thought I was getting over my years of bodily abuse, due to over indulgence in drugs and alcohol, I find out that my warranty (according to the Doc) ran out at 40.  Two years past warranty and I’m ready for the scrap yard! Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment? Opie  –Planning for the Past, hopin’ for a future–

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Why not go to a *real* doc (or a series of them) and get another opinion(s)? Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you surly bastards is practicing his Voodoo on me?  Shit like this don’t happen fer no reason, ya know.  Dave, I apologize; now please, remove the pins from that doll. Damn the luck!  Just when I thought I was getting over my years of bodily abuse, due to over indulgence in drugs and alcohol, I find out that my warranty (according to the Doc) ran out at 40.  Two years past warranty and I’m ready for the scrap yard! Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment? Opie  –Planning for the Past, hopin’ for a future–

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Jeez Ope, I’m sorry to hear of your multiple maladies.  I’m sure at your young age you can beat them all handily, but just in case you expire, kin I have your rod collection?  [might as well throw in all your flies too] <bseg Frank (I’m all heart) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you surly bastards is practicing his Voodoo on me?  Shit like this don’t happen fer no reason, ya know.  Dave, I apologize; now please, remove the pins from that doll. Damn the luck!  Just when I thought I was getting over my years of bodily abuse, due to over indulgence in drugs and alcohol, I find out that my warranty (according to the Doc) ran out at 40.  Two years past warranty and I’m ready for the scrap yard! Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment? Opie  –Planning for the Past, hopin’ for a future–

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Opie I didn’t do it. I wouldn’t wish that shit on anyone.  Just one suggestion, while you are on a health kick, have a limpid panel test done, and a metabolic panel as well; get your own copies of the test results; learn what the numbers mean; manage accordingly. Most of this shit is controllable via what you put in and do to yourself. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you surly bastards is practicing his Voodoo on me?  Shit like this don’t happen fer no reason, ya know.  Dave, I apologize; now please, remove the pins from that doll. Damn the luck!  Just when I thought I was getting over my years of bodily abuse, due to over indulgence in drugs and alcohol, I find out that my warranty (according to the Doc) ran out at 40.  Two years past warranty and I’m ready for the scrap yard! Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment? Opie  –Planning for the Past, hopin’ for a future–

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I paid a visit to a podiatrist to day and was diagnosed as possibly havin’ one or more of 4 ailments/conditions, or all of them at once:  Lime’s Disease, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Plantars Fasciitis, and diabetes. Does anyone know of a good orthopedic wading boot?  I refuse to give up wading streams because I can’t walk.  More importantly, which one of you surly bastards is practicing his Voodoo on me?  Shit like this don’t happen fer no reason, ya know.  Dave, I apologize; now please, remove the pins from that doll. Damn the luck!  Just when I thought I was getting over my years of bodily abuse, due to over indulgence in drugs and alcohol, I find out that my warranty (according to the Doc) ran out at 40.  Two years past warranty and I’m ready for the scrap yard! Anyone else experience this type of foot ailment? Opie  –Planning for the Past, hopin’ for a future–

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Question:

Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

Go to Chinatown in San Francisco.  You can get anything there. Tiger bones, bear gall bladders, wolf snouts, gorilla hands, jungle cock feathers — you name it, they’ll get it, if you have the do-re-mi. Just try not to look like a Fish and Game dude.         Steve Barnard

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Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

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You should be able to find artificial jungle cock from some of the mail order houses. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L. Go to Chinatown in San Francisco.  You can get anything there. Tiger bones, bear gall bladders, wolf snouts, gorilla hands, jungle cock feathers — you name it, they’ll get it, if you have the do-re-mi. Just try not to look like a Fish and Game dude.    Steve Barnard

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Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

Hi S.R.L. We carry them in small packages in sizes and in whole necks from time to time. The necks are from domestically raised birds. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Two words – ill  legal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

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Two words ill eagle – sick bird. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two words – ill  legal. Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

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Two words – ill  legal.

I don’t believe that’s true anymore, as they are being raised domestically, as Bill Kiene pointed out.  Fly Fishing Only in Fairfield, Maine carries them.

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Hardly.  Domestically raised Jungle Cock is available from a variety of sources. Two words – ill  legal. Jungle Cock fethers , Where to buy them?? S.R.L.

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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Hi there,is it true in some states in USA jungle cock is ill legal?Here in ICELAND jungle cock it

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Hello all,

[much snipped] Years ago I read, "Smoke is only smoke to me, now that I am old."  So, Fishing is fishing.  Like the Water Rat said in The Wind in the Willows: Come along over some time.  We’ll drop down to the river and make a day of it. Jess Thompson

Jesse Debate is healthy and often fun, providing it doesn’t degenerate into the slinging about of low grade insults.  I wouldn’t sweat it too much.  Fishing is about fun, especially shared fun.  Hopefully, some of that fun gets shared in ROFF too.  But I’ve noticed that it’s the contentious issues that get all the ink.  I post a couple of flyfishing stories and they’re barely noticed, but my whining about rod prices generated about 200 repsonses when you count in the derivatives.  I guess it’s just human nature.   Anyway. I had a great year of fishing, and I hope everyone else that reads this ng, did too.  Hopefully, in the new year, we’ll catch that big brown that spurned all our offerings last summer. Peter

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Well Peter, perhaps you whine better than you write. Just kidding, I enjoyed your stories. — Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail Ernie Harrison <snip I’ve noticed that it’s the contentious issues that get all the ink.  I

post a couple of flyfishing stories and  they’re barely noticed, but my whining about rod prices generated about 200 repsonses when you count in the derivatives.  I guess it’s just human nature.   <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter

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Hello all, Please believe that I stumbled quite innocently into the fracus of C & E versus C & R.  And quite tardily.  Believe me also when I say that though I am old, I am not to old to learn, and to re-learn.  I should retract the statement  that I "slanted {the article Catch and Eat} purposely to arouse debate."   Talking over the pros and cons of a question, in a friendly fashion, I enjoy, but not dispute and name-calling.   It’s more correct to say that I wrote it rather, partly, in defense of those who received venomous messages for their positions.  And, because I had seen at times, on TV, what appeared to be careless C & R; and, because I think it’s okay to eat a fish now and then.  And surely, in the heat of reaction, I got a bit carried away.  If I had let the article cool longer, I would have toned down some of the more inflammatory passages.   The kind of fishing that’s done, C & E, C & R, fly, spoon, plug, bait–it all depends on who when what where and why.  The conditions, the fishing pressure, the fish populations, the locale. . . . But no matter what, we all like to fish; we all want to protect fish and fishing.   Mark Kelly, Steve Dsrt Traveler, Peter Charles, Moe, Ralph, Ernie, others (I don’t have all the names in front of me) have made good points–but it comes down to what Mark said–we all like to fish, we ought all,  finally, to support each other, and that’s exactly what I want to come back to. I’ve eaten  fish, I’ve  released fish, I’ve caught ‘em through the long years on worms, eggs, spoons, plugs, flies, treble hooks, barbless hooks, tiny hooks, big hooks, wild fish, hatchery fish, in pretty places, mucky places, and all of it,  any of it, well, "if it ain’t fun" I don’t know what is.  And the older you get, the more pleasant the memories of it all are.  Like all of us, I just wish we could all do more of it.   It’s fun if you catch fish or don’t catch fish, fun to watch others fish, to watch others catch fish.  I think it was Mark who fetched me up, properly, to remember that if we fight among ourselves, we don’t do the fishing world any good at all, but rather harm.   So I don’t want to rub sores, nor much care any more to wander off into the realms of mythology or animalism or primitivism or anthropology or philosophy. . .fishin’ is fishin’.   When we come down to earth, we know that.  In our better selves, we all know it:   Fishin’ is fishin’.   Exactly that. Years ago I read, "Smoke is only smoke to me, now that I am old."  So, Fishing is fishing.  Like the Water Rat said in The Wind in the Willows: Come along over some time.  We’ll drop down to the river and make a day of it. Jess Thompson

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Hello all, Please believe that I stumbled quite innocently into the fracus of C & E versus C & R.  And quite tardily.  Believe me also when I say that though I am old, I am not to old to learn, and to re-learn.  I should retract the statement  that I "slanted {the article Catch and Eat} purposely to arouse debate."   Talking over the pros and cons of a question, in a friendly fashion, I enjoy, but not dispute and name-calling.

Well Jess, that whole subject is something of a sore spot around here. You can’t even mention it without starting a huge rucus. It’s more correct to say that I wrote it rather, partly, in defense of those who received venomous messages for their positions.  And, because I had seen at times, on TV, what appeared to be careless C & R; and, because I think it’s okay to eat a fish now and then.  And surely, in the heat of reaction, I got a bit carried away.  If I had let the article cool longer, I would have toned down some of the more inflammatory passages.

Ah!  Not to worry. <snip So I don’t want to rub sores, nor much care any more to wander off into the realms of mythology or animalism or primitivism or anthropology or philosophy. . .fishin’ is fishin’.   When we come down to earth, we know that.  In our better selves, we all know it:   Fishin’ is fishin’. Exactly that.

I agree whole-heartedly.  I seems though, that there is a rather curious factor involved.  It seems that FFing is taking on a religious quality complete with orthodoxy, traditions, dogma, and theology.  It schmecks of fundamentalism with the "our way or no way" attitude you see on our trout streams.  A blinkered ideology that leaves little or no room for ideas outside strict adherance to the status quo. But you sir are right.  Fishin’ is Fishin’.  No more no less.  I can’t save the world, hell it won’t even save the rivers.  Better to enjoy it for what it is, rather than what we may want it to be. Years ago I read, "Smoke is only smoke to me, now that I am old."  So, Fishing is fishing.  Like the Water Rat said in The Wind in the Willows: Come along over some time.  We’ll drop down to the river and make a day of it. Jess Thompson

Well said sir. </c — </chaz Chaz Clover The Paved Earth Society http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth   "Why Not Just Get On With It?"

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, NicoloMidges come in a variety of colours with black as only one of the more

common.  If you wish to fish these activity periods whihc I strongly reccomend read lake fishing by kaufmann tie up a bunch of pupae, some long leaders and sit back and wait for the freight train!!! Be very careful, midging has some strong parallels to cocaine… Ian

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

Hi Nicolo Midges comes in a variety of colors including cream/tan and black. Take care and … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products On line catalog – tips & tricks at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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As you discribe the hatch as small moths It sounds like small Caddis not midges. You might look in you local fly shop at a book about the Hatch. I’ve got a small book put out by Orvis that works well to define the hatch. — Larry D. Madison Quote of the week: Life without Black would surely make White blind You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors?

Howdy Nicolo, "Minescule moths…" sounds like MicroCaddis ? Were the fish plimpin’ or floppin’ after these bugs ? Any small elk hair caddis would probably work if they were MC… To answer your other question… Midges can be grey, black, tan, red, green and probably many others. Effective midge ties can be devastatingly simple. Here is a tie that I have refined over the winter…it is called: You Can See The Damned Thing Biot Packing Midge #18-#22 TMC200 Tail: 2 fibers of fine crystal flash Body: Natural Grey Goose biot ribbed with crystal Legs (hackle): One or Two turns Grizzly dry fly tied shoulder style Wing: Thin strip of closed cell foam (used in shipping electronics)       folded and tied up and out.  (You could color this with       your fav flourescent marker if you had absolutely no pride…) You can see the fricken’ thing because of that unsinkable foam flag… the crystal in the rear looks like a shuck, adds some attraction and the weight of the bend will pull the sparse biot body under a la   natural…drinking glass testing has been encouraging… The first prototype used NewDub instead of crystal for the shuck, but then this would have been a Palamino Midge Variant. Also, pheasant is excellent as midge body material and a very simple fly is nothing more then a small hook wrapped sparsely with a couple of pheasant fibers and a little ball of well waxed dubbing up near the eye…way easy to do… Good luck solving your mystery hatch… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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: Be very careful, midging has some strong parallels to cocaine… No way, man.  I was always way to shaky to tie one of those little buggers on.   But I found I could tie a lot of them, very quickly. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/

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Midges come in lots of colors, but mainly red ones and black ones. White, too. You also could have seeing very small mayflies, down to size 22–tricorhythodes and pseudocolen (I may have misspelled these). Next time, grab a few and see if they have mayfly like tails and wings. toney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

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Hi Nicolo, It sounds like what you saw were Caenis, or as they are commonly termed ‘Fisherman’s Curse’ . It’s a very small fly, and when they hatch off they can do so in their millions, and the trout can become totally preoccupied with them. You can try fishing an imitation pattern, but this is a bit ‘needle in a haystack’, although there are some patterns that look like two or three Caenis tied on one hook. Try picking out an individual fish, (they are usually right up in the surface film, supping them up) and see if you can’t drop your imitation about a foot in front of it. It may take, but it’s a very frustrating business. Alternatively, you could try stripping a brightly coloured Muddler or such like across their noses, and see if you can provoke a take like this! As for midges, they are in the family of Chironomids, commonly called ‘Buzzers’ among other things ( for the noise they make when they fly into your ear!), and they live as bloodworms in the silt of lakes and rivers for a year or two, before eventually turning into pupae, and gradually making for the surface, where they hatch out as the adult ‘Buzzer’. Contrary to popular belief  they don’t bite or suck your blood, like Mosquitos do, as they have no mouth parts as such.They are a staple diet of most trout, and you can always catch a trout or two on them when all else fails. They come in various colours, ranging from black through to green, red, even orange, although if you have a chat with a local at your reservoir, they tell you the commonest colours there, as they vary around the country. I’ve caught the majority of my fish on the buzzer, and it’s a very rewarding way of fishing. Hope this is of some help.

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Hi Nicolo, It sounds like what you saw were Caenis, or as they are commonly termed ‘Fisherman’s Curse’ . It’s a very small fly, and when they hatch off they can do so in their millions, and the trout can become totally preoccupied with them. You can try fishing an imitation pattern, but this is a bit ‘needle in a haystack’, although there are some patterns that look like two or three Caenis tied on one hook. Try picking out an individual fish, (they are usually right up in the surface film, supping them up) and see if you can’t drop your imitation about a foot in front of it. It may take, but it’s a very frustrating business. Alternatively, you could try stripping a brightly coloured Muddler or such like across their noses, and see if you can provoke a take like this! As for midges, they are in the family of Chironomids, commonly called ‘Buzzers’ among other things ( for the noise they make when they fly into your ear!), and they live as bloodworms in the silt of lakes and rivers for a year or two, before eventually turning into pupae, and gradually making for the surface, where they hatch out as the adult ‘Buzzer’. Contrary to popular belief  they don’t bite or suck your blood, like Mosquitos do, as they have no mouth parts as such.They are a staple diet of most trout, and you can always catch a trout or two on them when all else fails. They come in various colours, ranging from black through to green, red, even orange, although if you have a chat with a local at your reservoir, they tell you the commonest colours there, as they vary around the country. I’ve caught the majority of my fish on the buzzer, and it’s a very rewarding way of fishing. Hope this is of some help.

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hi all, has anyone done any FFishing in Turks Caicos.  i’m going there for my honeymoone and need to know if i should pack my 7 weight! thanks in advance! -eric — Oracle DBA                     GE Fanuc                      Phone:  (804) 978-5945

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hi all, has anyone done any FFishing in Turks Caicos.  i’m going there for my honeymoone and need to know if i should pack my 7 weight! thanks in advance! -eric — Oracle DBA                     GE Fanuc                  Phone:  (804) 978-5945

I say yes, my wife says no (and with great emphasis I might add). David726 E-mail for further assistance to:

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hi all, has anyone done any FFishing in Turks Caicos.  i’m going there for my honeymoone and need to know if i should pack my 7 weight! thanks in advance! -eric — Oracle DBA                     GE Fanuc                      Phone:  (804) 978-5945

You better have the right woman to try fishing on your honeymoon.  Luckily I do.  We took our ‘moon in Nantucket and I went fishing one day.  Got a few striper too.  If it’s okay with her I would say bring it and find out about the opportunities lsater. — Gordon Churchill Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ Striped Bass on the Roanoke River, Hybrids on Jordan Lake, Largemouths on surface.  Pickup and dropoff in Research Triangle Park

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If you’re going on a honeymoon, you are taking the wrong rod! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hi all, has anyone done any FFishing in Turks Caicos.  i’m going there for my honeymoone and need to know if i should pack my 7 weight! thanks in advance! -eric — Oracle DBA                     GE Fanuc                  Phone:  (804) 978-5945

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Can anyone suggest an inexpensive rod and reel for salt water fly fishing. Line weight, tippets, etc. No Orvis recommendations please.

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Can anyone suggest an inexpensive rod and reel for salt water fly fishing. Line weight, tippets, etc. No Orvis recommendations please.

Yea.  A St. Croix 9 ft. 8 wt., Lamson Model 3, Dacron backing (20#), and a WF8F line.  Use tough leader material. So.. what do you have against Orvis?  I think a lot of their stuff is has a good price/performance ratio and the local salesguys have been very helpful even though I don’t spend big bucks there. Andy Schreckenghost

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Paul Ruff writes: Can anyone suggest an inexpensive rod and reel for salt water fly

fishing. Line weight, tippets, etc. No Orvis recommendations please.

Paul, Look for a so called fast action  (more tip than whole rod bend)… as you will need to be able to cast 80 feet plus to do well in salt water.  It is true you can get some casts in under 50 feet by stalking….. and have, but tarpon, bonefish and especially permit are spooky on the flats and require extra long casts to reach.  A fast tip action will help this.  In addition, practice 5 to 10 minutes a day for 3 to 4 weeks to strengthen the specific shoulder and arm muscles you will use….. makes a big difference after fishing…Also use the very best salt water line you can afford….. more important than the rod.   I have not used other than Orvis, Sage and Scott and all are not

inexpensive…. so I will pass on a specific recommendation of a rod…. I have seen and cast in a yard the St. Croix series and they look promising…. but have not fished them. have fun Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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Let’s say you just bought 100 of the prettiest acres ever put up for sale…

Hello Sandy, Give up on the scheme and settle in for the long haul. You should have more than a hundred acres if you want to start a subdivision. Or make your subdivision somewhere where you’re not ruining what you came for, like Billings. Let the beavers have the run of the place.  Beavers are more desireable than Californians.  It will be more valuable as a natural place.  If you don’t subdivide and develop it, we Californians will pay you decent money to fish it for a day or two and then best of all we will go home.   If you let me fish it free next summer I’ll make you a painting of it. I’ll leave out the houses and I can leave out the lake too if you wish. Mark Vinsel Oakland, CA http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

Whoa! I think the ref tossed a flag on that remark… (At this rate, it’s gonna be a  l o n g  winter! ;^) Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FLY FISHING AND EVEN FLY TYING GROUP and all I see is nonsense other than what is supposed to be discussed here. Beaver dubbing is used to make a great pattern called the Adams.  It is also (grey and very fine and it dubs terrifically) used in gray nymphs and a varied number of flies well worth everyone’s attention. Beaver is not tough to eat if you pat it first. (Actually, par-boil) George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Lets get back to fly fishing!

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-run-off on upper Bow usually in mid June to early July at latest – lower Bow and Crow would be 2-3 weeks earlier – this year will be heavy as mountain snow-pack is 150% – early May should be okay barring anything unusual                              Dan Bell, Upper Bow Fly Fishing Co. Banff

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: -run-off on upper Bow usually in mid June to early July at latest : – lower Bow and Crow would be 2-3 weeks earlier : – this year will be heavy as mountain snow-pack is 150% : – early May should be okay barring anything unusual :                              Dan Bell, Upper Bow Fly Fishing Co. Banff How would you stagger your fishing trips so as to avoid run-off in SW Alberta?  For example, could I fish the lower Bow in May, switch to the upper Crow in late May/early July, etc? Pete

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Hello, I am new to this newsgroup and fly fishing.  Please provide me with any information on fly fishing in south central Pennsylvania.  Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Tight Lines, Wendel

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Head for the Yellow Breeches near Carlisle, PA.  It’s beautiful and it’s convenient…in fact too convenient on weekends wwhen way too many folks show up.  My suggestion, take a day off from work and check it out.  Also, be sure and swing by Yellow Breeches Outfitters. Some really nice helpful folks who can tell you where to fish, etc.  Cold Spring Anglers also helpful. Good luck, and have fun! Kevin

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Don’t neglect the top-notch smallmouth fishing in the Susquehanna and Juniata rivers.  I drive past the potomac (which I love) several times a year to tangle with those porkchops. Dave

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There are several streams in the area, some are stocked andd several have fly fishing only sections. A great reference is Penn. Trout Streams by Meck, available at most fly shops.E-mail me for more info.

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