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WHY FISHING IS BETTER THAN SEX A big, juicy worm always gets a fish excited. You don’t have to eat a fish while it’s still flopping around. You can take a leak in the bush anytime you want. Stroking your rod won’t piss off a trout. Sipping a beer and scratching your balls is all the foreplay expected of you. Anything you stick in a fish’s face, it eats. A fish will never gag, choke, or come up for air. A red snapper won’t cry if you call it a flounder. You wear rubbers on your feet, not on your dick. If you want a bigger pole, you can have a bigger pole. A smart fish knows when to keep it’s mouth shut. It’s okay to cook a fish to make it taste good. Fish bite for a guy of 60; same as they do for a guy of 20. You’re never called a jerk when you throw back an ugly fish. Fish are real happy when you pick up your gear and go home.

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WHY FISHING IS BETTER THAN SEX Anything you stick in a fish’s face, it eats.

Anyone who could say this has clearly never been fly fishing for trout hugs, elle — "The antidote to hatred in the heart, the source of violence, is tolerance." -The Dalai Lama

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WHY FISHING IS BETTER THAN SEX A big, juicy worm always gets a fish excited. You don’t have to eat a fish while it’s still flopping around. You can take a leak in the bush anytime you want. Stroking your rod won’t piss off a trout. Sipping a beer and scratching your balls is all the foreplay expected of you. Anything you stick in a fish’s face, it eats. A fish will never gag, choke, or come up for air. A red snapper won’t cry if you call it a flounder. You wear rubbers on your feet, not on your dick. If you want a bigger pole, you can have a bigger pole. A smart fish knows when to keep it’s mouth shut. It’s okay to cook a fish to make it taste good. Fish bite for a guy of 60; same as they do for a guy of 20. You’re never called a jerk when you throw back an ugly fish. Fish are real happy when you pick up your gear and go home.

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WHY FISHING IS BETTER THAN SEX Anything you stick in a fish’s face, it eats.

Anyone who could say this has clearly never been fly fishing for trout hugs, elle — "The antidote to hatred in the heart, the source of violence, is tolerance." -The Dalai Lama

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X-no-archive: yes Animal rights Internet lists are abuzz over the summer movie Instinct, which stars Anthony Hopkins as a primatologist.  Activists claim the film has a strong animal rights message. Don’t give this movie your money.

I saw the movie about ten days ago.  The animal rights message, as explicitly stated, is reasonable enough, i.e. the wanton slaughter of gorillas is a bad thing.  The subliminal messages which may come through have been the topic of a great deal of discussion here in the past month or so, but I don’t think the film has much to add, or that it will make a great impression on the general public.  There is, however, an even better reason to avoid this one; it’s a bad movie.  The cast looked pretty bored throughout and left me feeling much the same.  Maybe I’m just tired of people loping around in bad gorilla costumes.

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What is now left my friends? I ask  you humbly what may we discuss? without wishing to cause tension on the surface, perhaps the meniscus? If treated properly perhaps this odd phenomenon will disappear or sink, for those of you now quite alarmed, dont worry friends , it will float again with gink. The souls of fishes long departed may return at last to haunt us anglers all, the wanton bludgeoning we once practiced in our youth begin with age to pall, what can one do, how may one then, avoid such horrible and all consuming fate? one might perhaps then praise the fish in prayer, before placing it well spiced and heated on ones plate. Oh lord I fear that what I did perhaps was not quite right, and maybe not your wish but lord forgive me please, judge not harshly, remembering I used a  fly to catch this glorious fish. There are some who would have us think that fishing is an evil thing, in actual fact a heinous crime Or did you lord, when we were placed here,  think of us, and give us all these lumps of tasty protein packed in slime ? I may be wrong of course oh lord, and even far too proud in my assumptions of your wishes, in which case then I will surely land in hell, and burn forever as a punishment for bludgeoning all those fishes. Whatever lord, although it may be wrong, and not in accord with your decrees, this fascinating fishing with an artificial fly. If you dont mind, and nothing else occurs to change my mind, I

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Patagonia supports many environmental groups.  I’m not sure if they support an anti hunting group, since the owner of the company is an avid fisherman himself.  I’m sure they would let you know if asked. Anyway you are correct about their products, they are the best! Forrest FlyFishingREVIEW http://www./flyfishingreview.com Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

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Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

No, this is definitely not true at all. The atmosphere of any company inevitably reflects the personality of owners/leaders. The Patagonia brass are a brassy bunch, that like elk hunting, whiskey bottles and a good smoke every now and then. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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No, this is definitely not true at all. The atmosphere of any company inevitably reflects the personality of owners/leaders. The Patagonia brass are a brassy bunch, that like elk hunting, whiskey bottles and a good smoke every now and then.

  Well, this is not definitely not true at all–if that makes any sense. Patagonia supports a number of environmental and conservation groups some of which may or may not include an anti-hunting component.  The bottom line, nevertheless, is that Patagonia, on top of making the best outdoor gear on the market, should be lauded in their continual efforts to be a corporate good citizen.  Patagonia is active in fisheries restoration (the Big Hole grayling restoration project, to name just one Montana project) and wilderness preservation, as well as promoting recycling and alternative materials usage.  Patagonia makes a commitment to annually donate a certain percentage of their profits to their various causes.  I have no qualms (even though I often can’t really afford it) buying Patagonia even if it costs a little more, because I know that they’re making an effort to have a postive impact on things like fisheries and habitat that I value.  (No, I don’;t, nor have I ever worked for the company.) Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

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Hmmm… you could ask them.   They have a web site at www.patagonia.com (who’d have figured THAT out?).   Me, I can’t afford that stuff anyway; but if I worried too much about single-issue politics of every company I did business with, it’d be a race between starving and freezing to death. .02, Joe F. who meant to boycott grapes, but never got around to it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

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Can’t go wrong with the Orvis Silver Label series

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Hello, I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series? All input appreciated, John.

I  occasionally wander in to Bass Pro main store in Springfield, MO  (ha! it’s like a big vacuum cleaner, sucks me right off the Interstate as I go by)  They do have a decent fly shop, and that’s the first place I head for. However, I can’t say much for the White River fly rods that I hefted.  They all felt tip-heavy to me. I recommend the St Croix folks in Park Falls, WI.  They make a fine fly pole at very reasonable prices.  There are others, for ex:  Redington, which I have no experience with. For those regulars who keep seeing me recommend St Croix, this must sound like a broken record, but, this is a fine little outfit, they give excellent service and make top-notch rods without inflating prices to the ridiculous levels of the "big name"  rod manufacturers. IMO, they deserve to stay in business, and prosper and keep these other guys honest. Good luck in your quest…. — Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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First, what do you have as a price range? "Breaking the bank" means different things to different people. Also, you may find that the fly reel and line may be just as expensive, or more, then the rod. Therefore you might want to ask about an inexpensive balanced outfit from say Cortland, Scientific Angler, (hate to say this) Orvis, or some combination a reputable flyshop can arrange for you. Ask about the ‘action’. You are probably better off with a medium action for your first flyrod.  If at all posible try to get a demonstration and cast the outfit. See how the rod feels. Have the salesperson cast the rod and watch how much or how little effort it takes for that person to cast with the rod. If it looks like he/she is having a hard time imagine how difficult it will be for you. Good luck.

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Therefore you might want to ask about an inexpensive balanced outfit from say Cortland, Scientific Angler, (hate to say this) Orvis, or some combination a reputable flyshop can arrange for you.

How can you send a newbie to Orvis?  Maybe their new entry-level outfits are OK, I wouldn’t know (but those of a few years ago were just AWFUL).  But consistently Orvis delivers the worst value for money of any fly fishing brand I know.  As an example:  a friend of mine purchased a oiled-cotton jacket at a sporting goods store for $85.  The exact same jacket, found in the Orvis store with the original mfg’s label taken out, and an Orvis label sewn in:  $129!

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Mike, the reason I mentioned Orvis is because many people like their equipment. Personally, I do not and I certainly agree that Orvis jacks up the price of items just for their label. My response to the ‘newbie’ offered assistance. Your response didn’t offer anything.

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I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series?

St. Croix Pro Graphite (their low end rod) is a good rod and definitely won’t break the bank (less than $100).  The Redington RedStart rods are also excellent – a bit faster action, and a little pricier (around $150, I think).  I got a four-pice RedStart to take over from my St. Croix only because the St. Croix is a two-piece rod and I can no longer sandwich it into the car now that we have two car seats (and two kids to put in them .  I hope this helps. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Thanks for the replies…. The most I had planned on spending (for the rod only) is about $175 to $200.  Probably mid range of something! John. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, the reason I mentioned Orvis is because many people like their equipment. Personally, I do not and I certainly agree that Orvis jacks up the price of items just for their label. My response to the ‘newbie’ offered assistance. Your response didn’t offer anything.

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Thanks for the replies…. The most I had planned on spending (for the rod only) is about $175 to $200.  Probably mid range of something! anything.

The St. Croix Legend Ultra series, which I mentioned in my original post, is the top of the St. Croix line, and great value at $250 (compared to say a Sage SP, which they compete against, at $530) . The St. Croix Avid line is brand new.  Haven’t cast it, but would imagine it’s very good.  Somewhat slower action than the Ultra series, which as someone pointed out, isn’t bad for a beginner.  They go for $160-180 in trout weights. The tough thing about buying a rod is that you’d don’t really know what you’re buying until you gain a reasonable casting proficiency, and even then what you like tends to change over time.  I started with an Orvis HLS, which I "loved" for years — but didn’t know how to cast.  Now I find it unforgivably slow and spongy. With the ULTRA, you’d be getting a rod that would be a bit harder to cast with, but would probably last you for the rest of your life.  The Avid is cheaper, might work better now, but you might replace it in a few years. Michael You might also

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What kind of fishing will you do? My wife has a 4wt ultra legend St Croix and loves it, but its really only good for drys and very small nymphs. If you plan on fishing big rivers or larger weighted nymphs or buggers I’d suggest the Loomis GL-3 which has a little more backbone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series? All input appreciated, John.

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What kind of fishing will you do? My wife has a 4wt ultra legend St Croix and loves it, but its really only good for drys and very small nymphs. If you plan on fishing big rivers or larger weighted nymphs or buggers I’d suggest the Loomis GL-3 which has a little more backbone.

GregH.

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J.Cook wrote St. Croix also has two or three even cheaper lines of rods, which are still great for the price. I think the Imperial line is the cheapest, about $60-90 each.

"Pro Graphite" is their bottom of the line in the $85-$90 range.  Very good for the money. "Imperial" is the next one up from "ProGraphite" I believe in the $120-$140 range. Excellent for the money. Joel Axelrad

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John, I’ve got a Sage 580 DS (8 ft. 5 wt.) that I’ve been very happy with. Not a fast rod, more in the middle range somewhere, it is very forgiving for the beginner and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg. It was the first fly rod I owned and although I have 5 or 6 rods now, I still enjoy fishing with that rod. I own 2 G Loomis rods and would not recommend them, primarily for the warranty. The 3 wt. GL3 is a beautiful casting rod as is my 9wt GL3 but IMHO, Loomis rods without warranties are generally more expensive than their unconditional-lifetime-warrantied counterparts from other manufacturers. Might as well save the extra bucks and put it towards some other equipment. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series? All input appreciated, John.

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Thanks to all for the input; I just bought a St. Croix Avid, and am very pleased.  Without a lot of experience, it was somewhat of a guess, but so far so good! John.

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Thanks to all for the input; I just bought a St. Croix Avid, and am very pleased.  Without a lot of experience, it was somewhat of a guess, but so far so good! fished with to my son Greg but that sucker soon was stolen . . . naturally.  Be proud, you have a good one.

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Aaaaaaahhhh, A message from that knowledgeable Bill Kiene is like a warm spring breeze on this board. Alas, at 4500′ elevation it will be awhile before we southern Idahoans see any bluegill or bass action. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, If we have about a week or two of good sunny weather here in California, we are going to start to have some great warm water fishing. We have tons of  ’farm pond’ or ’stock ponds’ that are below 2000′. Most of them have black bass and panfish in them. I would true to get out on one of these ponds from March through June for some great action. I prefer afternoon/evening for warm water fishing. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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Hi All, If we have about a week or two of good sunny weather here in California, we are going to start to have some great warm water fishing. We have tons of  ’farm pond’ or ’stock ponds’ that are below 2000′. Most of them have black bass and panfish in them. I would true to get out on one of these ponds from March through June for some great action. I prefer afternoon/evening for warm water fishing. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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Hey Bill: The warm water fishing here in Northwest Arkansas is just now kicking into gear…caught four blacks one evening last week and two Sunday morning (biggest was a pound and a half) on a new bass fly (to me) "G.W.’s Glory"……Chartreuse rabbit strip tail, chartreuse ice chenille body, and chartreuse Sili Legs collar…..2/0 Mustad 34007 saltwater hook.  WOW!  They hit it hard!  Searched tonight for stripers off my favorite point here at Beaver Lake…full moon shining off the lake was like fishing under a huge spot light…lake was like glass…no stripers caught but what an absolutely beautiful evening. Got an email from a guy Saturday (from the Bass newsgroup) who pulled a 44"er off this point Friday…not on a fly rod though.  Can you imagine a 44" freshwater striper on a fly rod?  I built a 10wt. St. Croix Legend Ultra last year for stripers; it’s just a matter of time before I hook the big one!!!!  Last year I pulled a few 6 and 7 lb. hybrids and stripers off this point…….this Spring…who knows??!! Greg H. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, If we have about a week or two of good sunny weather here in California, we are going to start to have some great warm water fishing. We have tons of ‘farm pond’ or ’stock ponds’ that are below 2000′. Most of them have black bass and panfish in them. I would true to get out on one of these ponds from March through June for some great action. I prefer afternoon/evening for warm water fishing. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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Hey Bill: The warm water fishing here in Northwest Arkansas is just now kicking into gear…caught four blacks one evening last week and two Sunday morning (biggest was a pound and a half) on a new bass fly (to me) "G.W.’s Glory"……Chartreuse rabbit strip tail, chartreuse ice chenille body, and chartreuse Sili Legs collar…..2/0 Mustad 34007 saltwater hook.  WOW!  They hit it hard!  Searched tonight for stripers off my favorite point here at Beaver Lake…full moon shining off the lake was like fishing under a huge spot light…lake was like glass…no stripers caught but what an absolutely beautiful evening.

Hi Greg, Was just out walking off dinner and did also note the big moon here in CA. In Aril/May/June we go out on the full moon to the mouth of the Feather River where it goes into the Sacramento River about 20 plus miles north of downtown Sacramento. We fish the afternoon for American Shad, then after dark, we fish for stripers that are also running up to spawn. Both of these fish were imported from the East Coast of North America in ~1877 and  I guess their populations went crazy with the condition that our drainage was in that long ago. We take a little barbecue and make a time of it. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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I would echo Tom Hewitt’s comment re: standing in a canoe
to flyfish.  Canoes are an excellent platform if you want to develop the skill. I would note, however, that not all canoes
perform equally for this purpose.  As mentioned in Tom’s article
flat, shallow-v, and shallow-arch bottomed boats in general are
better choices to begin with. But keep in mind that your own sense of balance will determine which boat you feel most comfortable in.  Some v-hulled canoes are rather narrow (33 inches and less for 16′ length) and tho stable feeling while sitting, grow inherently less stable as the the center
of gravity moves higher compared to wider (34" up width) boats.
There are several ways to become accustomed to standing in a
canoe to flyfish or pole, or to scout a rapid, etc…  One would be to simply take the boat you have now and start practicing.
The second would be to borrow or use as flat-bottomed a boat as you can find and start at that level.  Progress to a better quality canoe as you feel more capable.  Your progress will be
limited only by your tenacity.  Even so, it is not a hard skill
to learn.
One can also attach sponsons or outriggers to add a measure of safety and security to your initial efforts.  However, these add-ons are not very portable, interfere with the maneuverability of the canoe, and are only necessary if one’s sense of balance is not particularly good.  Purchasing or building
these appertenances is a personal call.  Look in the classified section of Paddler or Canoe and Kayak magazine for info on these products. As to finding a used boat.  Good luck.  Good quality used canoes are snapped up pretty quickly and are hard to find. One suggestion that might pan out is your local canoe club.  Members
are always buying and swapping.  Call the American Canoe Assoc.
member club that is closest to you to get info.  Their web address
is: http://www.aca-paddler.org/
Dave Hadden, Owner
Vision Canoes
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I find myself going on a cruise this January with stops at Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Tortola, Ponce, and St. Croix. If anyone knows of any flats fishing that can be done on any of these islands, I’d love to hear about it. The more details the better, to decide if I should take my fly rod. thanks, Bob Vorel

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If the cruise ship stops on the north coast of jamaica, I am happy to report there are tarpon in Montego bay and very nice looking flats intermittenly between there and Negril to the West and Ocho Rios to the west. You can "hire" a glass bottom boat which might serve as a casting platform, but the local captain will have no idea what you’re doing or what you want. The flats are reachable right from the coast road which runs mostly next to the sea. Saw BIG fins of either tarpon or cuda  nearer to Ocho Rios, where I just happended to stop and wade out a bit. I posted for information a couple of times to the news group before I went and got practically no responses. This is VIRGIN territory. By the way DO try the Pork Pit in Montego bay for jerk!!!. Its genuine and fantastic (and very clean). let me know how you do, Clair

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I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone? Thanks for your help, Mike

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I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for

                                                        ^^^^^^ I’d suggest the Pacific, just for ease of access. — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University        Dept. of History                 "Nothing interesting occurred today…"         -Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806

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writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?

    In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?    In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

I show that the number is 503-642-4570 for Glenn Young. Don Chen Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers (Corvallis, Oregon)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?     In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

You can contact Glenn at (503) 642-4570.  I’ve fished with Glenn a number of times and he is top notch and his rates are very reasonable. Be SURE to try the searun cutthroat–best fly rod fish in the state!! Paul

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That’s a pretty good time of year to try sight fishing to steelhead in the "skinny water" high up on any of the coastal rivers.   Greg in Albany – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?    In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

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   In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

Glenn Young’s number: Hackle and Hide Glenn Young  (503)642-4570

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I am a member of the( Golden Spread Flyfishers) Amarillo, Texas I am looking for some good examples of information and articles to enclude in our news letter. If you have a copy of a current news letter from your Fly Fishing Club, Please E-Mail a copy or the file. TO:

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Hi Ken, You can also contact the Federation of Fly Fishers at 1-800-618-0808.   They have PC disc available for FFF club newletters.  Call and see what they have. Good Luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (request a catalog)

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I am a member of the( Golden Spread Flyfishers) Amarillo, Texas I am looking for some good examples of information and articles to enclude in our news letter.

If you want to produce a newsletter that is popular and always gets read, concentrate on information about the local/regional fishing. The most popular feature in our newsletter is the "Fishing Journal" where members report where they went locally (though they are often understandably vague about exact locations), what they used, what the conditions were, and what they caught (or didn’t catch).  Of course, to do a regular feature like this, it helps to have some members who actually FISH on a regular basis. You’ll probably find that 10% of the club members do 90% of the fishing. Other popular stories people want in their club newsletter: Fly recipes and tying instructions for patterns which are proven producers on local waters.(and how/where to fish them). Any information about local fisheries you can get from your state fish and game managers. Get to know these people and call regularly. First hand accounts by members on "week end" fishing trips to places within a 3-8 hour  drive. Lodging, food, fishing quality, access etc. New items or greatly reduced sale items at the local fly shops. Overlooked local waters for lunch time/evening "quick outings". Local Tackle buy/sell/trade classifieds. In short, go with your strength: local information.  You can’t compete with the slick national mags for general "how to" fishing info, so give your members what they can’t get anywhere else: good, solid information on how to enjoy their sport close to home. Doing a really good job on a newsletter takes a lot of effort, but you will actually enjoy your own fly fishing more using what you learn doing it.

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Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

Modern graphite rods can cast considerably farther than bamboo, and the long false-casts made the casting scenes more dramatic, especially to non-flyfisher folks. They are much better and softer than these plastic rods.

Thats a strong statement.   Fish and fishing-waters come in all shapes, sizes, and characteristics.   There is hardly one best rod. You can serve the fly much softer…

Nice when needed, but what about techniques that require hard presentations? Also (an example), many steelhead rivers in the pacific northwest are large and fast – soft presentations are a don’t care, but long casts with potentially large flies are very useful. … and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when you have to feel the bite …

Nymphing?   Hard or soft, don’t care.   Sensitive, do care! … or you want to lead the fly against the flow) …

Many "swinging" techniques including wet fly swings, greased-line, lifts, etc.  It’s very debatable whether soft or hard is better. In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. What is it in USA ??

Many serious fly fisherman I know own bamboo (often lots of), but most only use them for "mood" or nostalgic moments, usually accompanied by a pipe or cigar, and possibly some whisky. I certainly enjoyed casting three different bamboo rods, and have my sights on buying some bamboo, but right or wrong, am spoiled and won’t give up my graphite. Thomas Gilg

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Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully.  Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals,  and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular.   Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

The main reason seems to be that the original Montague 8 1/2" 4 1/2 oz bamboos are now very rare and *very* valuable.  In the movie they only used Montagues for close ups and for shots where they needed the slower action of the cane rod.  They did not want to break any rods when playing buckets full of rocks or even when fighting "Fernando", the model fish. Denbigh

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| They are much better and softer than these plastic rods. | | Thats a strong statement.   Fish and fishing-waters come in all shapes, | sizes, and characteristics.   There is hardly one best rod. | | You can serve the fly much softer… | | Nice when needed, but what about techniques that require hard presentations? | | Also (an example), many steelhead rivers in the pacific northwest are | large and fast – soft presentations are a don’t care, but long casts | with potentially large flies are very useful. Yes you are right. Here in Germany we dont’t have these large fast rivers and no steeelhaeds. We have small rivers with with good natural grayling and trout populations. So for this ‘fine’ fishing I think they are the best choice because of their soft and special action that you can’t reach with artificial rods. | | … and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when | you have to feel the bite … | | Nymphing?   Hard or soft, don’t care.   Sensitive, do care! Yes, it’s a kind of nymphing. | … or you want to lead the fly against the flow) … | | Many "swinging" techniques including wet fly swings, greased-line, | lifts, etc.  It’s very debatable whether soft or hard is better. For wet fly it’s O.K.. But I mean for dry fly you need a in your words ’sensitive’ (excuse my english) rod and a good technik to imitate a fly running up the stream. Otherwise your fly is diving like a submarine. | | In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. | What is it in USA ?? | | Many serious fly fisherman I know own bamboo (often lots of), but most | only use them for "mood" or nostalgic moments, usually accompanied by | a pipe or cigar, and possibly some whisky. | | I certainly enjoyed casting three different bamboo rods, and have my | sights on buying some bamboo, but right or wrong, am spoiled and won’t | give up my graphite. | | Thomas Gilg Sure it has something nostalgic, maybe I am nostalgic too. I think you will agree with me when I say flyfishing is more than a hi-tec sport and not only the facts make you (and me) to buy a bamboo rod. And as longer I fish it’s more the fish in the water which fascinates me than the fish in my bag. It’s like the last sentence in Sherley Mc Lanes roman. In German it’s "Ich werde von Wassern verfolgt.". In english it has to be something like this: "I am followed by waters."       Olaf <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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etc. It’s like the last sentence in Sherley Mc Lanes roman. In German it’s "Ich werde von Wassern verfolgt.". In english it has to be something like this: "I am followed by waters."       Olaf

My soul cringes at the thought of Shirley McLane (sp?) writing about fly fishing.  A River Runs Through It was written by *Norman* Maclean. Shirley M. is a weird US actress with strong views on her previous lives; Norman M. was very different. Incidentally, in the original he wrote "haunted" not "followed." Denbigh

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Olaf Lindner writes: A friend of mine has 15 bamboo-rods, all made by Bjarne Fries probably the best bamboo-rod builder in the world each about 1200$.

Olaf if your friend had graphite instead of bamboo he could probable cover the same range of fishing situations with 6 to 8 rods at rather than 15.  Graphite has greater latitude.  He’d also have $12,000 to go to New Zealand.  I know where I’ll spend my money.

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| | Olaf if your friend had graphite instead of bamboo he could probable cover | the same range of fishing situations with 6 to 8 rods at rather than 15.   That’s true but the point is not the range of fishing situations than the specia l action of a well built split cane rod. I see that this is a very dificult theme and at the end a personal decision. | Graphite has greater latitude.  He’d also have $12,000 to go to New Zealand.  I know | where I’ll spend my money. Hope you have fun. Olaf (Excuse me about the mistake with the names ‘Sherley’ and ‘Norman’. I don’t know  who it (Sherley) is (I only heard the name sometimes in the TV) but it sounds t errible.) — <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

Thomas J. Gilg’s response to Olaf Lindner is right on the mark.  The only thing I can add is that bamboo rod’s are wonderful for small eastern spring creeks with lot’s of brush overhead.  Maybe Olaf is faced with kind of situation.   One other thought is that not every bamboo rod is good.  I’ve cast lots of junk.  Good rods seem to start at around $1000 (new or old).  The collection craze has recently driven the price of bamboo rods out of sight good and bad.  I’ve seen people at shows pay +$400 for a machine made japanese piece of junk.  I just can’t justify paying +$1000 for a rod that for all it’s beauty will be out performed by a rod of 1/3 to 1/2 the price.

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Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully.  Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals,  and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular.  

Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ?? They are much better and softer than these plastic rods. I got my first Spilt Cane rod on a Fly-Fishing congress in Germany these Spring for 800,- DM (about 500$). A friend of mine has 15 bamboo-rods, all made by Bjarne Fries probably the best bamboo-rod builder in the world each about 1200$. O.K. I agree with you when you say that’s crazy but Most people who have fished with one of these rods they will never again take these plastics. You can serve the fly much softer and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when you have to feel the bite or you want to lead the fly against the flow) they are probably the best choice because they are so soft and have and have a very special action. In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. What is it in USA ?? Olaf — <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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