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Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

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I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

U.N. Cool.  Go out and thump mellons for the "World Team."  I would contact U.S. Customs.  Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up.  Its their job.  Explain the situation, and tell them what you have.  They will be able to tell you what to do.  The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…).  It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts."  The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials."  They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying. Cheers. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

Good luck and stay safe JR!  Hope you find some fishing opportunities! –Stan

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Why are you about to send them all to Italy? I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help. Paul

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Good luck and stay safe JR!  Hope you find some fishing opportunities!

Thanks, Stan.  Compared to a lot of places I’ve lived, the greatest danger in Rome will be from all the beautiful women, and I reckon I can live with that.  A couple of weeks ago, a fellow named Bepo from Friuli posted here, and I’ve been grilling him by email about the fishing there.  Turns out he’s a freshwater fisheries biologist, so he knows a lot.  ROFF delivers yet again!!! JR

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U.S. Customs.  Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up.  Its their job.  Explain the situation, and tell them what you have.  They will be able to tell you what to do.  The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…).  It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts."  The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials."  They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying.

Good advice.  Fortunately, many of the more expensive items, that I’d least like to see confiscated, are Whiting capes and saddles still in their original, labeled zip-lock bags.  As you say, it turns out (according to Kaufmann’s) that products from commercially raised domesticated animals (chickens, rabbits, calves, etc.) are easier to deal with than products from wild animals (deer, elk, etc.), which, to be exported legally, require an inspection by USFW. JR

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Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help.

They were being all spacey for a while, alternating between confusion and breezy nonchalance ("Oh, probably there’ll be no problem…").  I’ve been pushing them about being sure to get the appropriate customs and fish and wildlife clearances leaving the U.S., based on what I’ve found out from Kaufmann’s, Hunter’s Angling, and other folks.  Now they’re coming around. JR

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John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"?  I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind.   She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out. vince

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John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"?  I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind. She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out.

Thanks, Vince.  Folks at my level in the organization have some very nice privileges and a quasi-diplomatic status, but not quite immunity.   The pouch is out of the question, but in fact things are shaping up.  It was the local moving company here that was at a loss; the shippers in DC that subcontracted them are pretty much on top of everything now that I’ve expressed my concern. I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome.  All the best trout water I’ve ID’d up til now is too far north for weekend jaunts, but I suspect there is some "lesser quality" water in the Apennines, and I don’t mind fishing for warm water species as well.  Plus, what with a gazillion and a half miles of coastline, there must be a saltwater fish or two that can be taken with a fly.  It’s been said here on ROFF before:  if you’re open-minded and a bit adventuresome, you can always find something worthwhile to fish for. BTW, have fun at the Penns ‘Clave. JR

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I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome.

I was in Rome for about four months a few years back. I didn’t have my fishing gear, but I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that paralleled that. The exterior was non-descript but they had some very nice gear inside (including fly gear and some really nice shotguns, IIRC). Not much to go on, I realize, but there are worse ways to spend an afternoon than wandering that area looking for a flyshop . Have fun…I’m sure you will! – Sid …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry! …and, umm, you guys hiring?

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…… I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that

Now you’re talkin. …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry!

Now you’re REALLY talkin.  Thanks, Sid. JR

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

Folks, we have the first bidder. Tim

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR

Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Flypaint writes: I thought near the ends of the canoe were more stable for tying off and hauling up the anchor. -Patrick They probably are ,because your’e pulling your anchor line along a stable central axis point.I personally don’t prefer to do it that way because I don’t like to have to lean back every time I want to raise or lower the anchor.We’re talking about anchoring on slow lazy rivers or lakes,not on raging rapids.Their would have to be one hell of a wind kicking up to put me under just because I tied off on the center support.I also find it gives me better boat positioning.Anyway,my main reason in responding to the post was to share a tip about using the plastic barbell.You can tie your anchor anywhere you want as far as I’m concerned.I don’t recommend tying it to your ankle however. Tight Lines,Shawn

:All the canoes that I have used on rivers have had a pulley mechanism connected to the bow of the canoe with the rope running through a channel in the mechanism with a hammer-like piece coming down to hold it fast while at anchor.  The rope can be reached by any seat in the canoe.   Ken Fortenberry writes about using an onion bag with rocks — excellent idea and one used by Maine Guides.  When hiking into a remote pond, all they have to haul is the onion bag and a piece of rope — the rocks to fill the bag are already there!  Actually, it ain’t an onion bag but a bag designed for scuba divers.  You can find them in most dive shops. Achoring a canoe from the side in any kind of current can be unstable and could cause a turn-over.  But, of course, that’s JMHO. Dave LaCourse: These anchor control pulleys are great, but the single point of control often results in the stern being swung back and forth by the current or the wind.   We use the motor at the square stern of the canoe to act as a rudder.  When we are in rocky rivers (and hence no motor), I just use plastic bar bells and a small piece of chain, like one other poster mentioned, and drop a line off the stern.  The stern anchor doesn’t have to be very heavy, but the line has to be tight to dampen the pendulum effect.  I just tie it off the back; no anchor control necessary. JB

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I thought near the ends of the canoe were more stable for tying off and hauling up the anchor. -Patrick

They probably are ,because your’e pulling your anchor line along a stable central axis point.I personally don’t prefer to do it that way because I don’t like to have to lean back every time I want to raise or lower the anchor.We’re talking about anchoring on slow lazy rivers or lakes,not on raging rapids.Their would have to be one hell of a wind kicking up to put me under just because I tied off on the center support.I also find it gives me better boat positioning.Anyway,my main reason in responding to the post was to share a tip about using the plastic barbell.You can tie your anchor anywhere you want as far as I’m concerned.I don’t recommend tying it to your ankle however. Tight Lines,Shawn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Flypaint writes: I thought near the ends of the canoe were more stable for tying off and hauling up the anchor. -Patrick They probably are ,because your’e pulling your anchor line along a stable central axis point.I personally don’t prefer to do it that way because I don’t like to have to lean back every time I want to raise or lower the anchor.We’re talking about anchoring on slow lazy rivers or lakes,not on raging rapids.Their would have to be one hell of a wind kicking up to put me under just because I tied off on the center support.I also find it gives me better boat positioning.Anyway,my main reason in responding to the post was to share a tip about using the plastic barbell.You can tie your anchor anywhere you want as far as I’m concerned.I don’t recommend tying it to your ankle however. Tight Lines,Shawn

All the canoes that I have used on rivers have had a pulley mechanism connected to the bow of the canoe with the rope running through a channel in the mechanism with a hammer-like piece coming down to hold it fast while at anchor.  The rope can be reached by any seat in the canoe.   Ken Fortenberry writes about using an onion bag with rocks — excellent idea and one used by Maine Guides.  When hiking into a remote pond, all they have to haul is the onion bag and a piece of rope — the rocks to fill the bag are already there!  Actually, it ain’t an onion bag but a bag designed for scuba divers.  You can find them in most dive shops. Achoring a canoe from the side in any kind of current can be unstable and could cause a turn-over.  But, of course, that’s JMHO. Dave LaCourse

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How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks!

Well…if you’re not portaging …grab a large coffee can..fill it with cement/concrete…stick in a large eye bolt.  The can will pick up far less muck when in a weedy/muddy bottomed pond/bog/lake. $.02, steve d.

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: All the canoes that I have used on rivers have had a pulley mechanism connected : to the bow of the canoe with the rope running through a channel in the : mechanism with a hammer-like piece coming down to hold it fast while at anchor. :  The rope can be reached by any seat in the canoe.   : Ken Fortenberry writes about using an onion bag with rocks — excellent idea : and one used by Maine Guides.  When hiking into a remote pond, all they have to : haul is the onion bag and a piece of rope — the rocks to fill the bag are : already there!  Actually, it ain’t an onion bag but a bag designed for scuba : divers.  You can find them in most dive shops. : Achoring a canoe from the side in any kind of current can be unstable and could : cause a turn-over.  But, of course, that’s JMHO. : Dave LaCourse Hi; As a Illinois EPA volunteer, we go out often. We’ve been out in days when we have waves coming over the sides of our kayak. We use a two seater and one person handles the anchor (which we just drop over the side) and writes the results and the other (me) lowers the secchi disk and leans over the opposite side (from anchor) of the kayak to take measurments. We do end up going back to work sometimes smelling kind bad, but we have yet to tip… — John Nelson                       Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page        http://www.chicagopaddling.org   http://www.chicagofishing.org  (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)

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How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks!

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How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks!

I use an onion sack full of rocks. — Ken Fortenberry

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How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks! I use an onion sack full of rocks. — Ken Fortenberry

Scott, he’s also been known to use his fishing partner. Peter (promising never to call it an "aluminum monstrosity" again)

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I tie a 5 pound maul (sledge hammer) off the back.  Easy to lift and adjust. Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**

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Ken,    The holes in the onion sack are too big to put corn in. Ernie

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How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks!

Scott, FLOAT TUBE ANCHOR SYSTEM: www.woodrivercompany.com/accessor.htm I have one of these for my float tube and I use with the canoe also…I really like it and I don’t have to haul those muddy rocks that dirty and scratch up my precious and prestine Old Town canoe (that looks like it was dropped by UPS…..Cargo Jet, that is). Padishar Creel

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How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks!

I use a 1 gal detergent jug filled with sand. You might want two, for when you want to keep the craft sideways to the wind. Pops **** Armed and Safe(tm) **** "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.   By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

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: How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps : moving you off your spot? Thanks! I have a <ducking head JetSki anchor that I bought from Overton’s.  It’s small, comes with it’s own storage bag and has a little float on the end just incase you lose the rope.  It also has a clip so I just loop it over a thwart and clip it on. P.S. I do not own a jetski — John Nelson                       Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page        http://www.chicagopaddling.org   http://www.chicagofishing.org  (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)

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How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing

Hey Scott, I like to use a plastic barbell weight,about eight pounds.I tie a rope through the center and tie the end to the center support bar in mycanoe.The good thing about the barbell weight is because it.s round it’s not likely to hang up on anything.If your anchor hangs up even the least little bit you will have trouble freeing it without flipping your canoe.When pulling your anchor up you want to pull the rope over the side from the center while seated in a stable position.If you lean over the side to haul the anchor you will soon find yourself and all your equipment in the water. Good Luck,Shawn

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I use an onion sack full of rocks.

Yeah, but what yuppie boy isn’t telling you is that those rocks were individually swallowed and pooped out by a rare strain of African wildebeast. Helps ‘em sink faster apparently. –Steve (don’t worry Ken, I’ll get one with a large fridge)

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Scott,   I also like the rock in an onion sack solution, it doesn’t take up much space when not in use so I usually have it with the canoe.   However, I would not tie it to one of the center thwarts.  If there is a current, or a strong wind, this can tip a canoe over.  Also it it easier to tip a canoe when raising the anchor.  It is better to tie to the end of the canoe, I have a carry handle at the bow and stern of my 18′ Wenonah.  It is inconvenient to raise and lower if I am by myself, but I have had a sudden breeze come up and have been happier. Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks!

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Reminds me of my first scuba diving buddy (a college roommate). He insisted that he always carried a scuba knife and dove with a partner for safety reasons. That way, if he saw a shark, he could stab his buddy and swim for shore.

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 i use old window sash weights.  lead bars about 10 inches long with hole already in the end for your cord.  rig pulley off front and you can hold canoe in place during ‘gentle’ winds. fishworship – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you anchor a canoe for flyfishing when there’s a breeze that keeps moving you off your spot? Thanks!

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<snip When pulling your anchor up you want to pull the rope over the side from the center while seated in a stable position. <snip I thought near the ends of the canoe were more stable for tying off and hauling up the anchor. -Patrick

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The 4th Court of Crim Appeals, SA,  has ordered a new trial on the grounds of "ineffective counsel."  It seems the defendant, accused of robbing a C-store, wore the same distinct shirt, with a picture of his dog, to voir dire, that he wore on the video, robbing the store, and his counsel’s failure to object was "i.c."

What a boob.   On the one hand, I don’t understand what is objectionable about it that leads to the i.c. basis.   I mean, the guy wore it volutarily and produced evidence "in plain sight".   No way even a competent defense attorney could have anticipated this.   (Apparently I didn’t learn much from the OJ trial.) OTOH, who’s to say he didn’t buy the shirt at Goodwill or find it in a dumpster. Can’t see how having the shirt months after the crime is much evidence (other than circumstantial) of anything.   If the police had found it in his posession the night of the crime, that’s one thing, but weeks or months later its trail is pretty stale IMHO. Also can’t swallow the "waste of tax dollars" assertion.   In a climate where so many are vocal about the government taking away our rights, isn’t it good to see a case where the government is protecting them?   Still, what a boob. Joe F.

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The 4th Court of Crim Appeals, SA,  has ordered a new trial on the grounds of "ineffective counsel."  It seems the defendant, accused of robbing a C-store, wore the same distinct shirt, with a picture of his dog, to voir dire, ___that he wore on the video___, robbing the store, and his

counsel’s failure to object was "i.c." What a boob.   On the one hand, I don’t understand what is objectionable about it that leads to the i.c. basis.   I mean, the guy wore it volutarily and produced evidence "in plain sight".   No way even a competent defense attorney could have anticipated this.   (Apparently I didn’t learn much from the OJ trial.)

One of my points, in general. OTOH, who’s to say he didn’t buy the shirt at Goodwill or find it in a dumpster. Can’t see how having the shirt months after the crime is much evidence (other than circumstantial) of anything.   If the police had found it in his posession the night of the crime, that’s one thing, but weeks or months later its trail is pretty stale IMHO.

Pretty unlucky find, I’d say:  A guy who looks exactly like the accused dumping off the shirt, and our hapless accused being unlucky enough to buy/find it.  From what I’ve heard, this is one of those, "I’m not saying I didn’t do it, I did it, I’m just saying it wasn’t ‘fair’." Plus, the police didn’t find it, he produced it.  What’s he going to say, Mark Furrmann(sp?) dressed him? Also can’t swallow the "waste of tax dollars" assertion.   In a climate where so many are vocal about the government taking away our rights, isn’t it good to see a case where the government is protecting them?   Still, what a boob.

No, this is a waste.  He was a) stupid enough to rob a store at gunpoint, for money, b) stupid enough to prove himself guilty (or is that guilty enough to prove himself stupid? – either way…) TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe F.

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(snip)  Besides, his lawyer probably *should* have told him how to dress as part of his job in this case, the guy wasn’t arrested for bitch slapping someone at a Mensa meeting, after all. — Charlie…

I don’t think bitch slapping at a Mensa meeting is a crime at all, Charlie. As to the case in question, I must cast my lot with the appeals court that reversed the conviction.  Whether it was intentional or unintentional, craftiness or stupidity, the essence of our system is that a trial in which a person’s liberty or life is at stake should be as fair as possible.  Hell, I think even the trial judge could have properly corrected this situation before it became a problem.  Someone mentioned this in a previous post, but in my mind most states are penny wise and pound foolish when it comes to assuring that all criminal defendants have competent counsel and related support for a defense.  Because it’s politically unpopular to provide such for indigent defendants, the resources are not allocated in the first instance; then, when the conviction is reversed the taxpayer pays all over again. Mark Faulkner

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(snip)  Besides, his lawyer probably *should* have told him how to dress as part of his job in this case, the guy wasn’t arrested for bitch slapping someone at a Mensa meeting, after all. — Charlie… I don’t think bitch slapping at a Mensa meeting is a crime at all, Charlie.

OK, so that part is simple reflex, but… As to the case in question, I must cast my lot with the appeals court that reversed the conviction.  Whether it was intentional or unintentional, craftiness or stupidity, the essence of our system is that a trial in which a person’s liberty or life is at stake should be as fair as possible.  Hell, I think even the trial judge could have properly corrected this situation before it became a problem.  Someone mentioned this in a previous post, but in my mind most states are penny wise and pound foolish when it comes to assuring that all criminal defendants have competent counsel and related support for a defense.  Because it’s politically unpopular to provide such for indigent defendants, the resources are not allocated in the first instance; then, when the conviction is reversed the taxpayer pays all over again.

What?  Do you truly believe this?  Why is it encumbering to the people of Texas to defend such a person?   While I believe in the 5th Amendment, what possible defense is there against a guilty person’s own stupidity?  The goal of the system is (or at least should be) the truth, and we have it, and the defendant willingly and openly provided evidence.  The adversarial system wasn’t compromised, no abuse took place, there is nothing to correct.  What exactly wasn’t "fair"?   CDAs argue when the accused is in jailwear, so he got to wear his own stuff. Seemingly, under this theory, testimony regarding the fact the gun was found at his home should be disallowed because his counsel was too ineffective to tell him to get rid of it. R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mark Faulkner

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Shoot, Peter.  Somehow I can not see our esteemed roffian lawyers fishing with K-Mart blue light specials!  It is blaspheme, I tell ya…….  <g Louie, who don’t need to stinkin’ lawy…..errrrr.   Don’t wanna burn bridges here……

Our esteemed roffian lwayers would *never* make such an egregious error, maybe in their choice of fly or scotch perhaps, but never in a court room. Peter (sucking up big time)

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Shoot, Peter.  Somehow I can not see our esteemed roffian lawyers fishing with K-Mart blue light specials!  It is blaspheme, I tell ya…….  <g Louie, who don’t need to stinkin’ lawy…..errrrr.   Don’t wanna burn bridges here…… Our esteemed roffian lwayers would *never* make such an egregious error, maybe in their choice of fly or scotch perhaps, but never in a court room. Peter (sucking up big time)

You misspelled "laywayers"… <G R

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Our esteemed roffian lwayers

waylers, maybe? — Charlie…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s he going to say, Mark Furrmann(sp?) dressed him? LOL.   YEAH! That’s it! No, this is a waste.  He was a) stupid enough to rob a store at gunpoint, for money, b) stupid enough to prove himself guilty (or is that guilty enough to prove himself stupid? – either way…) Well, I gotta think he was convicted on a lot more than this dumb shirt.   His picture on the camera & I assume the eyewitness testimony of the clerk. Possibly fingerprints or other physical evidence.   However, your points above seem a circular argument.   He’s guilty because he has the shirt, and the shirt shouldn’t matter because he’s guilty anyway.   Frankly the shirt sounds like a red herring.   If counsel was otherwise competent and the evidence was otherwise conclusive, it does seem a waste of resources; but the rights of the accused are paramount in our system (that’s why Wayno can afford a T&T or two).   I like it that way in general, even when a specific case makes it difficult to remember.

I’m not sure what you mean by red herring, but if you mean it is simply a guilty man’s way of taking another bite, I agree.  To me, it is like someone who confesses (uncoerced), and then tries to "legal" their way out of it.  Further, I think the rights of the accused are important, but this isn’t protecting his rights against or in an adversarial system, perfect or imperfect.  It isn’t even "self-incrimination" in the 5th Amendment sense.  This is excusing his own stupidity: he’s guilty, but he’s stupid, and his lawyer _may_ be ineffective, but let’s start over with "better" counsel.  The DA and cops didn’t dress him, trick him into wearing it, plant it on him, or anything else. R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe F.

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Our esteemed roffian lwayers waylers, maybe? — Charlie…

don’t I get any points fro getting ‘egregious’ right? jeez, this is a tough croud. Peter

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don’t I get any points fro getting ‘egregious’ right? jeez, this is a tough croud.

fro? <g — Charlie…

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don’t I get any points fro getting ‘egregious’ right? jeez, this is a tough croud. fro? <g — Charlie…

For the "stuck in the seventies" lwayers… <G R

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[snip] This is excusing his own stupidity: he’s guilty, but he’s stupid, and his lawyer _may_ be ineffective, but let’s start over with "better" counsel.  The DA and cops didn’t dress him, trick him into wearing it, plant it on him, or anything else.

I don’t disagree, but I’m not sure you can carry ‘presumed innocence’ too far. Besides, his lawyer probably *should* have told him how to dress as part of his job in this case, the guy wasn’t arrested for bitch slapping someone at a Mensa meeting, after all. — Charlie…

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Peter Charles: I don’t know what our angling lawyers may think of this idea, but perhaps it would be appropriate in cases where a gross error by an officer of the court resulted in a costly delay or mistrial, that officer had to personally foot the bill for at least a portion of the court costs.  Might make some of the inattentive sit up and pay attention. Peter

Shoot, Peter.  Somehow I can not see our esteemed roffian lawyers fishing with K-Mart blue light specials!  It is blaspheme, I tell ya…….  <g Louie, who don’t need to stinkin’ lawy…..errrrr.   Don’t wanna burn bridges here……

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What’s he going to say, Mark Furrmann(sp?) dressed him?

LOL.   YEAH! That’s it! No, this is a waste.  He was a) stupid enough to rob a store at gunpoint, for money, b) stupid enough to prove himself guilty (or is that guilty enough to prove himself stupid? – either way…)

Well, I gotta think he was convicted on a lot more than this dumb shirt.   His picture on the camera & I assume the eyewitness testimony of the clerk. Possibly fingerprints or other physical evidence.   However, your points above seem a circular argument.   He’s guilty because he has the shirt, and the shirt shouldn’t matter because he’s guilty anyway.   Frankly the shirt sounds like a red herring.   If counsel was otherwise competent and the evidence was otherwise conclusive, it does seem a waste of resources; but the rights of the accused are paramount in our system (that’s why Wayno can afford a T&T or two).   I like it that way in general, even when a specific case makes it difficult to remember. Joe F.

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The 4th Court of Crim Appeals, SA,  has ordered a new trial on the grounds of "ineffective counsel."  It seems the defendant, accused of robbing a C-store, wore the same distinct shirt, with a picture of his dog, to voir dire, that he wore on the video, robbing the store, and his counsel’s failure to object was "i.c."  Well, maybe, but two things come to mind:  Shouldn’t the obvious guilt matter?  Punish the attorney, perhaps, but how effectively _can_ one defend such a person?  And, this is exactly the ridiculousness in the system that gets "the average Joe and Jane" so upset.  Unless the attorney dressed this guy, our tax dollars get to pay for another trial for a guilty man. R

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The 4th Court of Crim Appeals, SA,  has ordered a new trial on the grounds of "ineffective counsel."  It seems the defendant, accused of robbing a C-store, wore the same distinct shirt, with a picture of his dog, to voir dire, that he wore on the video, robbing the store, and his counsel’s failure to object was "i.c."  Well, maybe, but two things come to mind:  Shouldn’t the obvious guilt matter?  Punish the attorney, perhaps, but how effectively _can_ one defend such a person?  And, this is exactly the ridiculousness in the system that gets "the average Joe and Jane" so upset.  Unless the attorney dressed this guy, our tax dollars get to pay for another trial for a guilty man. R

True, it is very annoying to think of the wasted dollars and time involved but given the number of high profile cases being overturned by DNA evidence, (especially north of the border) where the quality of counsel was at best questionable, I think this is the price we have to pay to enshrine the concept in law. I don’t know what our angling lawyers may think of this idea, but perhaps it would be appropriate in cases where a gross error by an officer of the court resulted in a costly delay or mistrial, that officer had to personally foot the bill for at least a portion of the court costs.  Might make some of the inattentive sit up and pay attention. Peter

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Ernie, I assume you are in eastern PA? I am new to flyfishing, but do know where you can do some awesome striper fishing if you aren’t too far east. Raystown Lake has great landlocked striper fishing. 20-30 pounders are the norm and 40+ pounders are caught every year. They do have a website, not sure of the url. Try a search. good luck, Matt

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Hey Guys, Been Fishing the Salt with a fly rod and other tackle for a while now.  Always looking for people to go with.  Would be interested in hearing from any body close. I am in NW Montgomery county.  Any body interested shoot me an email. Ernie, I would suggest a 10WT for most of your fishing, and an intermediate shooting setup for most of your fishing in the surf.  Seems like you are doing battle with the wind most of the time.  Faster sinking lines are great from jetties and intlets.  Get a stipping basket.  Fishing the surf with a fly rod can be very productive for several species in NJ and north coast waters and sometimes it will out produce conventional and spin tackle. Experiment… Damian Damian NuWave Tackle Innovative products designed by fishermen for fishermen Fly Tying equip and matls., Tackle and more. http://www.nuwavetackle.com/

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Thanks Paul              Ernie

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Hello Ernie, Like any "species specific" fishing, you first have to know your quarry and then you must understand your quarry’s quarry.  Check out http://www.fishbelly.com , it’s a new web site that is loaded with great information on fishing for all species of fish.  However, to meet your needs, check out the article by Lefty Kreh on fishing his deceiver fly http://www.fishbelly.com/articles/lk110399.htm Bookmark the site because there’s a new article coming soon by Lou Tabory that deals with how to present your flies for best results.  We will also be highlighting the many different prey items that all species of game fish love.  We will include underwater images that will help you "match the hatch" so to speak, in salt water. I hope this info helps.  If you have any other questions, hop on the fishbelly message forum and I’ll be happy to try and answer them. Finally, if you’re looking for "in depth" — no pun intended — information on stripers, check out the selection of videos at Fishbelly.  As an underwater videographer who has spent over 40 years in the striper’s domain, I can promise you any of the Laptew Production videos will make you a better striper angler. Seize the day!  Go fishing. Mike

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After many years of trouting I would like to give stripers a try. I live in Penna, and can easily get to NJ or the Cape , beforo I start calling guides, some basic info      (when, where, with who) would be appreciated                                                  Thanks,                                                            Ernie

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After many years of trouting I would like to give stripers a try. I live in Penna, and can easily get to NJ or the Cape , beforo I start calling guides, some basic info      (when, where, with who) would be appreciated                                                  Thanks,                                                            Ernie

For equipment you’ll want a 9wt, a sinking line and a reel that’s doesn’t say freshwater only. You can use a 7wt but if it’s really windy or you catch a really big fish you’ll appreciate the 9wt. A few clouser and a a few decievers are all you’ll need for flies. The early season in MA chartruse is a good color. I can’t help with NJ. Check with a local shop for what colors are good. If you buy the flies at the same shop you’re likely to get better advice. Paul

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There are a lot of great trout streams in the UP. I fish the streams around Iron county as that is where I live, these include S. Branch of the Paint, Cook’s Run, and The Iron River. One of the highest rated streams is the Fox River but I have never fished it. I lived in the PNW for a year, the rivers here are alot smaller but also seem to hold alot more trout. You will find Brook, Brown and a few Rainbows. There are also some Steelhead runs in the streams that flow into lake Superior. Depending on where in the UP you plan on going you will find alot of fishing of many different types. Let me know if you need more info. I am thinking about heading the UP of Michigan in the next few weeks for a little camping/fishing.  I am an avid fly fisherman, but all of my experience is in the Pacific Northwest and the

Montana/Wyoming region.  In other words, I am completely unfamiliar with that area of the country in terms of fishing other than a lot of people have told me it’s a great place to go.  Can anyone recommend some rivers, streams, or lakes that are good bets for fly fishing? Thanks, Tom

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I am thinking about heading the UP of Michigan in the next few weeks for a little camping/fishing.  I am an avid fly fisherman, but all of my experience is in the Pacific Northwest and the Montana/Wyoming region.  In other words, I am completely unfamiliar with that area of the country in terms of fishing other than a lot of people have told me it’s a great place to go.  Can anyone recommend some rivers, streams, or lakes that are good bets for fly fishing? Thanks, Tom

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Can someone give me advise on how to go about learning the art of fly fishing?  How about any good books on the basics?  Thanks

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Can someone give me advise on how to go about learning the art of fly fishing?  How about any good books on the basics?  Thanks

This is a big question.  First, is there a flyfishing shop near where you live?  If so, stop in and start talking.  Look at the books, check into casting lessons, and generally ask for information.  That’s the best I can do with this one! Mark Faulkner

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Can someone give me advise on how to go about learning the art of fly fishing?  How about any good books on the basics?  Thanks

Hi My favorite book is the ‘L.L.Bean Fly Fishing Handbook’ by Dave Whitlock. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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The Orvis Flyfishing Guide by Tom Rosenbaugh is a good starter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone give me advise on how to go about learning the art of fly fishing?  How about any good books on the basics?  Thanks

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This summer I fished the interior of B.C.,I came across a small flyshop out of 100 mile house that was selling weird looking leaders. The leaders had a clear rubber section in it about 6 in. Has anybody seen this type of leader before? What is it’s advantage or disadvantages? I think they look like a gimmic,since they were $6.00 Canadian for a single pack. -I fish because I love to; because I love the environs where trout are found, which are invariably beautiful….and….not because I regard fishing as so terribly important, but because I suspect that so many of the other concerns of men are equally unimportant and not nearly so much fun…. R.Traver

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Frank: It’s probably a version of a "bungee-type" leader used to land big fish on small tippets. The "rubber" absorbs the shock and allows you to fight a heavier fish than you normally would if the "rubber" wasn’t there. The concept is used quite often by those trying for International Game Fish Assoc. (IGFA) records with 2# or 4# tippets. RIO sells small spools of the "bungee" material, so you can construct your own custom leaders. Hope this helps. Bob E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer I fished the interior of B.C.,I came across a small flyshop out of 100 mile house that was selling weird looking leaders. The leaders had a clear rubber section in it about 6 in. Has anybody seen this type of leader before? What is it’s advantage or disadvantages? I think they look like a gimmic,since they were $6.00 Canadian for a single pack.

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This summer I fished the interior of B.C.,I came across a small flyshop out of 100 mile house that was selling weird looking leaders. The leaders had a clear rubber section in it about 6 in. Has anybody seen this type of leader before? What is it’s advantage or disadvantages? I think they look like a gimmic,since they were $6.00 Canadian for a single pack. -I fish because I love to; because I love the environs where trout are found, which are invariably beautiful….and….not because I regard fishing as so terribly important, but because I suspect that so many of the other concerns of men are equally unimportant and not nearly so much fun…. R.Traver

Rio makes the Shock Gum leaders and sells spools of the Shock Gum. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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That sound like a shock leader to be.  Some fishermen here in Oregon when fishing for hard striking fish like sea-run cutthroat or Kokanee will include in their gear a 6 inch section of rubber tubing that will strech and absorb the shock of a hard strike instead of snapping the leader. -Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer I fished the interior of B.C.,I came across a small flyshop out of 100 mile house that was selling weird looking leaders. The leaders had a clear rubber section in it about 6 in. Has anybody seen this type of leader before? What is it’s advantage or disadvantages? I think they look like a gimmic,since they were $6.00 Canadian for a single pack. -I fish because I love to; because I love the environs where trout are found, which are invariably beautiful….and….not because I regard fishing as so terribly important, but because I suspect that so many of the other concerns of men are equally unimportant and not nearly so much fun…. R.Traver

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That sound like a shock leader to be.  Some fishermen here in Oregon when fishing for hard striking fish like sea-run cutthroat or Kokanee will include in their gear a 6 inch section of rubber tubing that will strech and absorb the shock of a hard strike instead of snapping the leader. -Burton This summer I fished the interior of B.C.,I came across a small flyshop out of 100 mile house that was selling weird looking leaders. The leaders had a clear rubber section in it about 6 in. Has anybody seen this type of leader before? What is it’s advantage or disadvantages? I think they look like a gimmic,since they were $6.00 Canadian for a single pack. -I fish because I love to; because I love the environs where trout are found, which are invariably beautiful….and….not because I regard fishing as s

Used to be a company out of Montana called Beartooth that sold a leader with a short clear rubber like section tied into a braided leader. I had a couple. Idea was to provide stretch and reduce tippet breaks. I haven’t seen these for a while and after using them I short regarded them as Rube Goldberg devices; impressive but of no real value or utility. Ralph H

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That sound like a shock leader to be.  Some fishermen here in Oregon when What is it’s advantage or disadvantages? I think they look like a gimmic,since they were $6.00 Canadian for a single pack. -I fish because I love to; because I love the environs where trout are found, which are invariably beautiful….and….not because I regard fishing as s Used to be a company out of Montana called Beartooth that sold a leader with a short clear rubber like section tied into a braided leader. I had a couple. Idea was to provide stretch and reduce tippet breaks. I haven’t seen these for a while and after using them I short regarded them as Rube Goldberg devices; impressive but of no real value or utility. Ralph H

I seem to remember a humor column in one of the fishing magazines a few years back where the hero invents a leader that has stretch in it to protect his tippets.  The first thing he caught with it was a rattle snake.   Quite humorous all of his antics to try to break of a angry snake.   Patrick McManus?  Maybe, I don’t really remember. Steve My Rod and Reel They comfort me.

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I know about danny’s flyfish list, but I have heard that there are both a UK flyfishing  and a europeen flyfishing list servers. does anyoone have the address for these lists thanks in advance Julian

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I know about danny’s flyfish list, but I have heard that there are both a UK flyfishing  and a europeen flyfishing list servers. does anyoone have the address for these lists thanks in advance Julian

The UK list is closed down thanks to football huligans! Yeah, It’s true, the had a forum on the same listserv and it got overloaded, so they closed all mailing lists……. But, you can subscribe to EUR-FLYFISH at: Good luck Thorsten

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: The UK list is closed down thanks to football huligans! : Yeah, It’s true, the had a forum on the same listserv and it got : overloaded, so they closed all mailing lists……. : But, you can subscribe to EUR-FLYFISH at: Actually, the European list *is* the UK one. As Thorsten noted, Steve Hogg, who set up the list at the U of Newcastle, had to shut it down when the University terminated all non-academic lists (on a couple of hours notice). The same day, it was picked up by Henk Verhaar at the U of Utrecht. The only hitch was that, due to the extremely short notice, it was not possible to transfer directly the list of subscribers; members had to re-subscribe to the Utrecht list. It’s a good list, but volumes are low. In contrast to the FLYFISH list at UKy, where 75-200 messages a day are the norm, EUR-FLYFISH can go for a few days with no traffic at all. 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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Has anyone fished for Pink Salmon in the Seattle, WA area? When do they come into the rivers?  Are they different from Chum Salmon? I’m going to be up in the Seattle, WA area in late July. Thanks for the info. -steve

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Has anyone fished for Pink Salmon in the Seattle, WA area? When do they come into the rivers?  Are they different from Chum Salmon? I’m going to be up in the Seattle, WA area in late July. Thanks for the info. -steve

I fished them extensively in 91 and 93 on the Skagit river, WA.  If anyone is interested, email me and we can talk. In short: They are vastly different to chum.  Spawning pinks are strictly 2yr old fish, and vary from about 3-5 pounds (a 6-8pound is a lunker).  Chums are various ages and are much larger.  Pinks seem to aggressively hit certain fly patterns and small spoons of pink and white color.  The prime of the chum run is usually about late Oct-late Nov.  My records show that the first pink I caught in 1993 was on 23 August.  I can’t find my book from 1991, but it was within a week of that.  The first 2 weeks in Sept are the best. Around here, Pinks run in only a few rivers.  The ones that come to mind starting north and working south (there are more but these are the major runs):         Skagit, Stilliguamish, Snohomish system, Nisqually Oh, and due to this strict 2 year cycle and some catastrophic event, there is only a run during odd-numbered years like this year.  There is also a 4 year cycle, and this is the best of that cycle.  1995 should hold many fish.  Chum run every year. Without exaggerating, a dozen fish in a mornings fishing was not at all uncommon.  My numbers from the "down" year of 1993 show large numbers of fish. I’ll stop now before I start (continue?) babbling. talk to you later,         -tgades

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Pinks are also known as humpys, the previous post cover most other   points. Chums turn dark early and pinks have a slimey feel.

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Pinks are also known as humpys (sp) I ahve found that almost anything   that works for silvers also works for pinks but that they run deeper on   average.  Chum turn dark early and do not bite as well out side of fresh   water concentrations.  Pinks tend to be oilyer and slimy but taste great   if processed soon after landing.

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I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about flys and technique.      This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching a fish.  I have a lot to learn.    Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance.    Sherman W.

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I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about flys and technique.     This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching a fish.  I have a lot to learn.   Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance.   Sherman W.

I can’t help you with fly suggestions, try Angler’s Covey in Colorado Springs. (sorry, I don’t know the number, maybe someone else can post it) The one useful piece of advice I can offer is to practice keeping your cast low to the water with a tight loop. What Mel Krieger calls a "Madison River Cast". The wind can realy get going on south park and unless you can get a cast into it you’re going to have problems. Tight lines, Dave Opincarne

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: I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it : before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about : flys and technique.   :    This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, : and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am : using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching : a fish.  I have a lot to learn. :    Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance. :    Sherman W. Not to rain on your parade, but there are easier places to fish than Deckers and 11mile.  Right now, the Arkansas around Howard or Cotopaxi should be pretty productive.  Try just a gold ribbed hares ear nymph, or if you see a hatch coming off, and can reasonably match it go for it. If you’ve been going to Mueller SP, for just a little more time and gas money you can have a lot more fun.  Just about all of the S. Platte river above Spinney is open to fishing, and all the places on it that I’ve fished, respond well to nymphs (bead head, hares ear, etc.), and hoppers & humpies during the day.  This is a good place to get to know now, as when summer ends, and the big browns move in to the river from spinney, the fishing gets a lot more fun.  If you need more spec. info. try some of the fly shops, in CS or just about anywhere.  I would be happy to mail you some addr. if you are out of the area. Good Luck, Dave — | Any opinions expressed are not those of UCCS, but neither are the facts. | |                                                                          | | "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in an AI program."  | |                         – Derek Partridge                                |

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: I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it : before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about : flys and technique.   :    This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, : and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am : using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching I just fished 11-mile Canyon 6 days ago.  I’ve only been to Colorado twice, and both times I must admit, the fish count out there beats the hell out of what we have here in the east.  I stopped down to the Angler’s Covey to buy 3 copies each of several local patterns of what was supposed to be the current hot flies.  My best success came late in the evening on a #24 light cahill.  Some of these guys get real scientific spewing Latin terms around, but in my experience, size is the most important factor and general coloration is next. The rainbows were fat and healthy.  (Sounds like a contradiction, but I guess I’m fat and healthy too!)  Not being used to sucking oxygen from the air at 8,500′, it was nice to be able to park streamside.  My one other Colorado fishing experience was at Cheesman Canyon, and it was worth the effort to hike into.  Anyway. . . The guy I fished with says that the trout at 11-mile Canyon are not all that leader shy — YET.  I used 8x, but that was because I bought some new Orvis tippet material that at 8x was rated stronger than what I used to buy at 4x.  Nice stuff. Anyway, I took one of my 7-1/2′ 4-wt glass rods.  I dare say I was the only one fishing a glass rod and/or a "short" rod.  I caught as many trout as the locals, and I caught them on eastern dry fly patterns. Supposedly small (#18-20) pheasant tails, bead head nymphs, gr hare’s ears were supposed to be working during times of no surface activity. I tried and RS-2 (what does "RS-2" stand for?) when I saw a bunch of tails and backs but no noses.  I guess you’re supposed to fish the emergers with a strike indicator, but I don’t like fly fishing with a bobber. Anyway, that stretch of S. Platte was a nice crick.  Saw a black bear on the way out which was kind of fun.  I didn’t land any huge trout, but I saw a few thick backs that I estimated belonged to fish in the 20 inch range.  I understand there are some bigger trout up there. All in all, it was a great vacation, ‘cept I only played golf once and only fished once.  It was really neat to hit 300+ yard tee shots, something I’ve never come close to down here near sea level. Enjoy, — Tom

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: I just fished 11-mile Canyon 6 days ago.  I’ve only been to Colorado twice, : and both times I must admit, the fish count out there beats the hell out : of what we have here in the east.  I stopped down to the Angler’s Covey It’s just not true.  There are no fish here in Colorado.  Trust me. : I tried and RS-2 (what does "RS-2" stand for?) when I saw a bunch of It stands for Rim’s Semblance #2.  Rim came here hundreds of years   ago from Korea and invented this fly as an imitation of the mayfly larva we have here in the S. Platte. : but I saw a few thick backs that I estimated belonged to fish in the : 20 inch range.  I understand there are some bigger trout up there. My son landed/released a 23" bow there this summer.  No, that wasn’t here.  It must have been in Wyoming.  We don’t have fish here. : All in all, it was a great vacation, ‘cept I only played golf once : and only fished once.  It was really neat to hit 300+ yard tee shots, : something I’ve never come close to down here near sea level. Yeah, you can get deeper into the rough here than is possible in the lowlands.  :-) : Enjoy, : — Tom Glad you had a good time. Bryan

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