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I eventually landed several beautiful, dark colored rainbows and lost several more as I slipped and slid my way along the ice.  I did lose a rather nice rainbow due to ice in the guides, but such is fishing during this time of year.  I was a little rusty from not having fished in almost two months, but it all came back rather quickly.  Funny how sometimes the harder you try, the worse you get and then you just let things happen and it is like you never even had that extended break. Probably the best thing about actually taking that break is that I rediscovered what fly fishing is to me and just how much it means to me.  I even caught some fish which made it all that much sweeter.  The best fish I landed, a 17" rainbow, had me mesmerized after I slipped the hook out of his mouth.  He lay there in the net peacefully, as if to give me ample time to admire his beauty before I released him.

Thanks for the report. Glad to hear you got out.  Winter Rainbows do seem to be somehow more colorful. Willi

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Warren, Have you tried a Leader Link? Ernie

Is that leader link the braided loop thing that you slide over your flyline tip and then secure with a little bit of tubing and some glue?

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Warren, Have you tried a Leader Link? Ernie Is that leader link the braided loop thing that you slide over your flyline tip and then secure with a little bit of tubing and some glue?

No. They’re little plastic, tube-like things, with holes through each end and two slots on the middle. You run the flyline through a hole, run it up through a slot, tie a knot in the end, and pull it tight. Do the same thing with the leader through the other hole. They work great. They’re made by Eagle Claw. I add a butt section with a leader link and then tie on the leader with a blood knot. To replace leaders I just cut and retie at the butt section. It might last for months. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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"Michael" wrote Is that leader link the braided loop thing that you slide over your flyline tip and then secure with a little bit of tubing and some glue?

Michael,   It is a little nylon piece, shaped like a grain of rice, but a little larger with a hole through the center the long way and a hole through the sides. Ernie

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I haven’t had time to post this sooner, but I went fishing this last Saturday on the Yellowstone.  It was a cold day, the wind was howling, and there were several snow flurries causing temporary white outs. Perfect day to be alone on the river. Before heading out, I stopped in at Dan Bailey’s to check the board and see if they had any recent info.  After being told that there wasn’t much happening on the river and that the spring creeks were fishing well, I still decided to head out.  I did receive several looks that all but said "Are you nuts?!?!"  Well, that is still being debated but I went out anyway. I found a nice stretch of water that wasn’t being blasted by the wind and as I rigged up the snow stopped.  The wind also started letting up from a constant gale force wind, to an occasional strong gust.  Things started off slow and I proceeded to work my way upstream where I got into a pod of whitefish.  After catching two and remembering some fond memories of JeffC the Whitefish King, I moved further upstream in search of trout. I eventually landed several beautiful, dark colored rainbows and lost several more as I slipped and slid my way along the ice.  I did lose a rather nice rainbow due to ice in the guides, but such is fishing during this time of year.  I was a little rusty from not having fished in almost two months, but it all came back rather quickly.  Funny how sometimes the harder you try, the worse you get and then you just let things happen and it is like you never even had that extended break. Probably the best thing about actually taking that break is that I rediscovered what fly fishing is to me and just how much it means to me.  I even caught some fish which made it all that much sweeter.  The best fish I landed, a 17" rainbow, had me mesmerized after I slipped the hook out of his mouth.  He lay there in the net peacefully, as if to give me ample time to admire his beauty before I released him. A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had ever tried using that Zap-a-Gap connection for joining the leader to the fly line.  After getting no response I decided to try it.  Not only did it hold very well, but it was a nice change of pace in not having to fight the line hanging up on the guides.  Even when ice began clogging the guides, the fly line and leader connection would pass through without hang ups. I am now planning on carrying the needle, needle vise, and Zap-a-Gap in my vest in case I need to change a leader.  It is a very quick and easy way to connect a leader to a fly line and I found it much easier than tying a nail knot.  I am still amazed at how easily the connection passes through the guides. — Warren Findley

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Warren, Have you tried a Leader Link? Ernie "Warren" wrote <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am now planning on carrying the needle, needle vise, and Zap-a-Gap in my vest in case I need to change a leader.  It is a very quick and easy way to connect a leader to a fly line and I found it much easier than tying a nail knot.  I am still amazed at how easily the connection passes through the guides. Warren Findley

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Warren, Have you tried a Leader Link? Ernie

I actually installed a Leader Link on Warren’s line during the Western Clave, Ernie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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(another excellent report snipped) Hey Warren, I caught a fish on your little green seredipitiy sunday. The fish were visible because the stream is so low, and there were midges hatching all over.  My favorite winter bug (extra fuzzy small hare’s ear) wasn’t working, so just for the hell of it i tied on your 18 green serendipity.  I’ve tried since the montana trip to catch a NM trout with a one of those flies and it finally worked.  I was in a small stream near albq. BTW, these were real midges that you could actually see with the naked eye, not those tiny SJ midges.  If your ears were ringing Dec 9-12 it’s because we must have said "warren would like this river" 20 times. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw,

You really think so? Never mind, then. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Which is one reason why I do it. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators 2)  Green Chernobyl Fish-Fuzz 3)  Chernobyl (half-life) Sun Tan Cream 4)  The Dirty Nuclear Green Machine Fly 5)  Heavy Hydrogen Sinking Chernobyl Tippets I have more, but out of respect to your point of view, I cannot release these products.

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_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators

Great product name. George. You may be crazy, but you aren’t stupid. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry. El Paso Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry.

This has nothing to do with anything, but RWJ’s post reminded me of the story: I’ve known a lot of stupid people in my life, but one guy stands out in my memory.   He was a coworker many years ago who, through little fault of his own, had apparently no concept of the world most of us consider normal. From our conversations over the years, I concluded that he’d been raised in a home situation lacking in intellectual stimulation, financial stability, and positive encouragement.   On top of that, he was of small stature, and seemed to feel a constant need to prove that he was both tough and smart. He was, in fact, insecure and not very bright.   But that’s only background. He took up body building, and I believe he seriously thought about pursuing a career as a "professional wrestler".   He began weight lifting, and in his desire to acquire the bodybuilder look, he decided that he needed a tan; and he answered one of those back-of-the-magazine ads for a product that allows you to "tan without the sun".   I don’t know what was in the pills he received, but he took them as directed (knowing him though, probably at twice the dosage).   He was encouraged that his skin did begin to darken, and he continued his regimen.   Ultimately, he turned orange.   Not brightly, of course, but as the color effect intensified over time, there wasn’t a hint of brown to be seen.   He was undoubtedly orange.   He, of course, saw this an a precursor to "tan" and kept taking the pills, until he was unmistakably orange right down to his fingernails. In the end, he only earned the nickname "Agent Orange" that stayed with him for the rest of the time we knew him.   What a character.

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw, "rw" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

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…to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F. Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." —

that one is funny until you think about it. Peter

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"Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it.

Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I shoulda used this tactic with my ex-wife. The insurance money would have bought *several* nice bamboo rods. <g

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

– Charles Reaves

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." — Charles Reaves

I’ve seen a few sites that cover landmines (I think I have them bookmarked somewhere) plus prgrams on Canadian and British demining teams at work in places like Bosnia.   Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The reason people fish varies from person to person and also seems to change over time. I know it has for me. When I was younger, I used to fish with an intensity that shut out everything around me in my quest to get just one more fish. Very goal oriented. Over time, I’ve become much more relaxed, especially on my home waters. I spend much of my time walking and observing, seeking a small piece of harmony with the nature world to replace the separation that is forced upon us by our overly busy modern lives. The splash of a trout chasing a caddis. The rich aroma of pine. The warmth of the sun on cool morning. The greenness of a forest in early Spring. The pungent taste of a wild raspberry.   Simple pleasures for a simple man. Willi "the crybaby" Loehman

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You get no points for catching me in a spelling error ( as noted here somewhere english is a third language for engineers ).   It’s getting bad so I may have to use Word for email.  I don’t understand the Tiger reference. I was in North Carolina once driving from Ft Rucker to DC in 1967.  Nothing wrong with it but time and fate have conspired to keep from ever going back. Still time and who knows. BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – people ( if you want to include polititions as people ).    hope i don’t appear to be a spelling cop, but shouldn’t that be "politishuns"?    incidentally, bjc, was that you in the tiger mascot suit at this year’s unc-clemson game?    wayno

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people ( if you want to include polititions as people ).

    hope i don’t appear to be a spelling cop, but shouldn’t that be "politishuns"?     incidentally, bjc, was that you in the tiger mascot suit at this year’s unc-clemson game?     wayno

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just love a guy who fishes.  My extensive fan club and appearances in leading fashion magazines is testament to that.\ Seriously. The bitches dig it.

Where the F*** is Forty when you need him? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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Good post,  Good to see roff getting back to ideas and less about events and people ( if you want to include polititions as people ). The older I get the more I remember the line " God does not subtract from your alotted time on earth those hours spent fishing"  ( Idon’t know the source).  Any way I am trying to make up for lost time now.  I cant on one hand the sermons I have heard that did me more good than a Sunday morning on a good stream. BJC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Willi "the crybaby" Loehman

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Thanks for the post Willi. I think that the fact FF provides me with so many alternative ways to spend time while still FFing is part of the draw. Sometimes I have to remember to continue fishing before my time in the woods is gone for the day. Danl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The reason people fish varies from person to person and also seems to change over time. I know it has for me. When I was younger, I used to fish with an intensity that shut out everything around me in my quest to get just one more fish. Very goal oriented. Over time, I’ve become much more relaxed, especially on my home waters. I spend much of my time walking and observing, seeking a small piece of harmony with the nature world to replace the separation that is forced upon us by our overly busy modern lives. The splash of a trout chasing a caddis. The rich aroma of pine. The warmth of the sun on cool morning. The greenness of a forest in early Spring. The pungent taste of a wild raspberry. Simple pleasures for a simple man. Willi "the crybaby" Loehman

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Seriously. The bitches dig it. -Muskie Sick’em #2. I expect he means actual female dogs. What’s the PC thing to call them these days? Neuticle challenged canines?

Charlie, I’m surprised at you. The phrase "neuticle challenged" is a typical oppressive male patriarchical concept, implying that the absence of testicles (or Neuticles, as the case may be) presents a "challenge." All members of ROFF who don’t possess either testicles or neuticles demand an apology. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Charlie, I’m surprised at you. The phrase "neuticle challenged" is a typical oppressive male patriarchical concept, implying that the absence of testicles (or Neuticles, as the case may be) presents a "challenge."

Crap, now I’m going to have to get that taken off all the street and place names around here. — Charlie…

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Seriously. The bitches dig it. Sick’em #2.

What do you want me to do, cough on him ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Seriously. The bitches dig it. -Muskie Sick’em #2.

I expect he means actual female dogs. What’s the PC thing to call them these days? Neuticle challenged canines? — Charlie…

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it’s called growing old.  :) Simple pleasures for a simple man. Willi "the crybaby" Loehman I knew I had arrived at that age, one day when fishing the Boyne.

        lovely, ol man; you write even better than you tie streamers and nits.         thanks wayno

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There are lots of good things about *growing* old, but only a few about *being* old (and I can’t remember what any of those are<g).

Well, just consider the alternative. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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There are lots of good things about *growing* old, but only a few about *being* old (and I can’t remember what any of those are<g). Well, just consider the alternative.

*That’s* the one! — Charlie…

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\ Willi, well, I agree with your general ideas here.  Good post. However, doesnt anyone fish anymore for the groupies?  I know that is my main drive.  Chicks just love a guy who fishes.  My extensive fan club and appearances in leading fashion magazines is testament to that.\

Seriously. The bitches dig it. -Muskie

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Seriously. The bitches dig it. -Muskie

Sick’em #2.      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Nice story Peter,    The Sierra’s are prone to sudden storms like the one you described, that’s why I carry a light weight poncho in my vest.  Sometime the fishing gets better during the storm, but I quit if the lightening starts. ROFF’s Old Fart "Peter Charles" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I knew I had arrived at that age, one day when fishing the Boyne. Overhead the scudding clouds and patchwork sun were telling me that rain and thunder were on the way, but I kept working upstream along the forest floor, seeking little brookies to fall prey to my caddis. The sun was still dappling the streambanks when the first drops began to fall. In less than a minute, a downpour splattered throught the sodden branches and thunder reverberated throughout the forest.  The softened light turned the forest into hues of green beyond count.  The mist that arose from the warm forest floor evoked an older time of spirits and magic.  I stood under some bushes, letting the water cascade off my head and shoulders, gazing out at a  little rainbow arcing over the stream, that the peeking sun had painted on the misty rainfall.  When the thunder shower cleared, I longed for another one. In a little while, Nature obliged me once more. Peter

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it’s called growing old.  :)

There are a FEW good things about it. Willi

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it’s called growing old.  :) There are a FEW good things about it.

There are lots of good things about *growing* old, but only a few about *being* old (and I can’t remember what any of those are<g). — Charlie…

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Are you saying we old farts no longer have sense enough to come in out of the rain? JR

That sorta sums it up – either that, or we’ve learned to take our pleasures where we find them. Peter

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it’s called growing old.  :) Simple pleasures for a simple man. Willi "the crybaby" Loehman

I knew I had arrived at that age, one day when fishing the Boyne. Overhead the scudding clouds and patchwork sun were telling me that rain and thunder were on the way, but I kept working upstream along the forest floor, seeking little brookies to fall prey to my caddis. The sun was still dappling the streambanks when the first drops began to fall. In less than a minute, a downpour splattered throught the sodden branches and thunder reverberated throughout the forest.  The softened light turned the forest into hues of green beyond count.  The mist that arose from the warm forest floor evoked an older time of spirits and magic.  I stood under some bushes, letting the water cascade off my head and shoulders, gazing out at a  little rainbow arcing over the stream, that the peeking sun had painted on the misty rainfall.  When the thunder shower cleared, I longed for another one. In a little while, Nature obliged me once more. Peter

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Are you saying we old farts no longer have sense enough to come in out of the rain? JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s called growing old.  :) I knew I had arrived at that age, one day when fishing the Boyne. ..very nice vignette clipped…. When the thunder shower cleared, I longed for another one. In a little while, Nature obliged me once more. Peter

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The reason people fish varies from person to person and also seems to change over time.

[snip] Well said, Willi; but go easy on those wild berries or you might end up with ‘internal rhythms’<g. — Charlie…

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(me, too) However, sometimes (every day i fish) when i’ve promised to be home at a certain time and i’m pushing it, i say to myself "just one more fish and i’ll go." Then, if i catch that fish right away, i KEEP FISHING.  

<some stuff snipped <gYeah, me too. It amazing the deals I make with myself to keep from having to stop fishing.   "OK 5 more casts, and if there are no strikes, then I’m out of here.  What, that was a lousy cast! Tnat doesn’t count….I’m sure I would have had a strike if there was no drag on that drift….Shee-it! I didn’t see that neat little run on the far side of the stream…It’s just this side of that big rock where I absolutely, positively said I’d quit…but there’s a deep pool just on the other side of that rock…and there’s always fish there… And on and on… Thanks for the impressions Willi. Quick trip report: Went wild mushroom hunting yesterday. Got some chanterelles, matsutakes, boletes, lobster mushrooms, corals. Ate some. Survived.

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(me, too) However, sometimes (every day i fish) when i’ve promised to be home at a certain time and i’m pushing it, i say to myself "just one more fish and i’ll go." Then, if i catch that fish right away, i KEEP FISHING.  Invevitably that’s the last fish anyway.  My favorite days are when i catch that last fish, release it, and then put my fly on the keeper and hike back to my truck without another cast.  Better to keep the promises, including the ones you make to yourself. And now back to presidential politics.  Yahoo. bruce h Before you buy.

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Willi, well, I agree with your general ideas here.  Good post. However, doesnt anyone fish anymore for the groupies?  I know that is my main drive.  Chicks just love a guy who fishes.  My extensive fan club and appearances in leading fashion magazines is testament to that. Now then, where is my medication…. ewdin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The reason people fish varies from person to person and also seems to change over time. I know it has for me. When I was younger, I used to fish with an intensity that shut out everything around me in my quest to get just one more fish. Very goal oriented. Over time, I’ve become much more relaxed, especially on my home waters. I spend much of my time walking and observing, seeking a small piece of harmony with the nature world to replace the separation that is forced upon us by our overly busy modern lives. The splash of a trout chasing a caddis. The rich aroma of pine. The warmth of the sun on cool morning. The greenness of a forest in early Spring. The pungent taste of a wild raspberry. Simple pleasures for a simple man. Willi "the crybaby" Loehman

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Why the bimini twist?

…cuz the foxtrot looks dorky? -wf

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If you aren’t worried about records, forget the bimini and fish a good tapered leader.  The bimini is a way to fish for big fish, like tarpon with a light tippit. If you are willing to fish a little heavier leader forget the bimini.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only fished in the salt a few times but finally broke down and bought Lefty Kreh’s book on the subject.  My question is what use is the Bimini Twist?  I understand that if you are trying for a world record then you need great 100 per cent strength knots to tie in your 1 foot of "tippet class". I’m not really interested in that and I suspect the vast majority of salt water fisherman arent either…why not just tie your bite tippet on  with a surgeons knot or something? Sorry for this off topic question……now back to the Gink Wars. jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Good choice in books … My S/W Flyfishing Bible, I call it. As I understand it ( and have somewhat tested) the Bimini is the strongest knot to use "if tied properly!  I personally am a strong proponent of the "spider hitch" It is easier, smaller, and faster to tie, and I now can tee it in a few seconds…even in the dark.   I almost always use it to loop on tippet to leader on all sizes I use (5x to 20#) even in freshwater.  It supposedly is just as strong as a bimini except for shock load.  Since most of the time the rod / line absorbs the shocks it works great for me.  I have even done some testing and it usually takes a better bimini than I can tie to exceed the breaking strength of one of my spiders.  I have also performed this test with a couple of professional S/W guides biminis (in up to 20# test) and usually their bimini fails first. (or of course the unknotted line in the middle. If you want to give it a try I think the knot is listed in Lefty’s book. Usually they show this knot being tied using a finger or thumb as the "guide" to wrap around. I have had better luck using a small object like a toothpick or hemostats.  After some practice it can easily be tied with no tools by looping the line "between" the thumb and forefinger with no tools. Like the bimini this knot’s real purpose it to double the line and use the loop lines to tie another knot to something… or to make a doubled loop.  I use a lot of loops and normally just make the spiders loop, combine the lines, and tie a surgeons loop close to the spider.  This can result in a small loop of double line. (or as large as you need)  For your shock leader or bite tippet this give you a doubled line of class tippet to tie the knot with. The knot tied with the doubled line is almost always stronger than the spider, bimini, or the single class tippet.  I find the issue of attaching wire, 40# or 100# mono to any doubled 12-16 lb connection more prone to failure and problems than the class termination knot. So far I Never lost a fish due to a spider breaking. (Although I have lost lots of fish due to the line breaking between the knots (where it’s supposed to) just poor dumb bad luck….  I have lost a number of fish due to bimini knot failure. If you go with the bimini in the 20# & under size I highly recommend using pliobond or something on the final hitches.  I have seen way too many bimini’s start coming apart while fishing if they are not glued.  I even saw this once on a friends backing to flyline connection where he had used a bimini.  The really sad part is that a number of us were taught to tie our best binini’s by Stu Apte … So I guess we can’t blame the teacher!  I recall reading somewhere that it only took a few years to "perfect" a bimini and ony a couple more to perfect it on a rocking boat out in the middle of the ocean.  Maybe they were right. The real test is to always break a lot of line and knots until you are confident they as strong as the line. (or at least as strong a YOU can tie them)  I make leaders from clear Ande and use Ande tournament class line. This stuff comes in 1/4 lb spools, so I have a lot to waste. I just tie up the knots on each end to end up about 3′ outside the loops and then use a couple of chunks of cut off broom handles to hold on to and break the knots. I stand on the stick with the loop over it on one end and pull with my hands at the other until it breaks.  Just make sure you have safety glasses  on and don’t touch the line itself.  16# and up is quite violent when it breaks and can give you a nasty cut if it gets near you hands. (ah the voice of experience)  This isn’t real scientific but really help you determine the best knots that you can tie. Good luck in the salt!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only fished in the salt a few times but finally broke down and bought Lefty Kreh’s book on the subject.  My question is what use is the Bimini Twist?  I understand that if you are trying for a world record then you need great 100 per cent strength knots to tie in your 1 foot of "tippet class". I’m not really interested in that and I suspect the vast majority of salt water fisherman arent either…why not just tie your bite tippet on  with a surgeons knot or something? Sorry for this off topic question……now back to the Gink Wars. jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Thanks so much for the advice over the bimini twist. (George and RJ). I will indeed practice a bit with the spider hitch and see if I can master that. I was fishing in the backcountry on my last trip to Latin America for snook and baby tarpon…..the fish were completely non leader tippet shy so I thought well in order not to lose’em in the mangroves and make sure I can horse’em, I’ll tie like 20 pound test on for a tippet.  I was having a ball catching 10 pound baby tarpon and small snook (and replacing the tippet every 3 or 4 fish cause the tarpon were sawing it up pretty good). However I hooked a big snook….the boat driver said "Its a big snook, Jorge….don’t let him get in the mangrove"…..the rod was an 8 weight Scott…..it was bent double and then broke a foot above the handle.   What did I do wrong there?  Is an 8 weight too lite for the backcountry?  Should I only use 10 pound tippets and depend on breaking off rather than stressing the rod too much?   It was a big snook….the boat was being pulled sideways into the mangrove and I’ll did was just hold on (in panic!). I appreciate the help you guys are giving to this beginner in the salt. Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Most likely you dinged the rod at some time and it was weak there.  If it is a top of the line rod you can probably get it replaced.  You can also have a problem if you grab the rod above the handle cause you can change where the rod is stressed.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks so much for the advice over the bimini twist. (George and RJ). I will indeed practice a bit with the spider hitch and see if I can master that. I was fishing in the backcountry on my last trip to Latin America for snook and baby tarpon…..the fish were completely non leader tippet shy so I thought well in order not to lose’em in the mangroves and make sure I can horse’em, I’ll tie like 20 pound test on for a tippet.  I was having a ball catching 10 pound baby tarpon and small snook (and replacing the tippet every 3 or 4 fish cause the tarpon were sawing it up pretty good). However I hooked a big snook….the boat driver said "Its a big snook, Jorge….don’t let him get in the mangrove"…..the rod was an 8 weight Scott…..it was bent double and then broke a foot above the handle. What did I do wrong there?  Is an 8 weight too lite for the backcountry?  Should I only use 10 pound tippets and depend on breaking off rather than stressing the rod too much?   It was a big snook….the boat was being pulled sideways into the mangrove and I’ll did was just hold on (in panic!). I appreciate the help you guys are giving to this beginner in the salt. Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Sounds like you were using the same guide I used…. Except when he tried to tell my buddy repeatedly in excited broken  English (the fish) GO IN MANGROVE! GO IN MANGROVE!  My buddy stepped out of the boat and sank to his shoulders in the silt….. But that’s a whole different story. We were in Cancun earlier this year and used 8 & 9 wt rods on the baby (4′ ) tarpon we found there & didn’t have any rod strength problems. I was using Sage Rplx’s and my buddy was using the Orvis and Fenwick HMG’s…  The tarpon action was hot and we ended up using straight 40# leaders when the all the premade tippets ran out….and still managed to break off a fair number of fish! (the folks at Sage are probably cringing if they read this! Sorry to have to tell you but your story sounds like operator error.  Strong saltwater fish need to fought with the butt of the rod not the tip.  You are risking it if you bend the rod beyond 90

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Is it a possibility to have one out West, say July or August, that would be accessible for the crowd West of the Mississippi ?

That’s a superb idea, Fred. Everyone knows that Western flyfishing is better than Eastern flyfishing. I’m tempted to volunteer to host it, but I don’t think I’ll be ready this year. Maybe next year. If someone else wants to organize something in the Western Rockies count me in. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Is it a possibility to have one out West, say July or August, that would be accessible for the crowd West of the Mississippi ? That’s a superb idea, Fred. Everyone knows that Western flyfishing is better than Eastern flyfishing. I’m tempted to volunteer to host it, but I don’t think I’ll be ready this year. Maybe next year. If someone else wants to organize something in the Western Rockies count me in.

The Western Rockies would be great – next year might be best, that’ll give folks a chance to do some planning.     http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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<<Is it a possibility to have one out West, say July or August, that would be accessible for the crowd West of the Mississippi ? Gehrke is coming from the fine northwestern state of Washington. If you do have a western clave, count me in. Dave LaCourse

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<<Is it a possibility to have one out West, say July or August, that would be accessible for the crowd West of the Mississippi ? Gehrke is coming from the fine northwestern state of Washington. If you do have a western clave, count me in. Dave LaCourse

____  I suppose if we held it here, I’d have to take all you guys on these remote float trips, jet up the Snake River and/or fish for wild cuttrhroat like it was 200 years ago in a wilderness? egads.  the thought of it. Mr. G.

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Is it a possibility to have one out West, say July or August, that would be accessible for the crowd West of the Mississippi ? That’s a superb idea, Fred. Everyone knows that Western flyfishing is better than Eastern flyfishing. I’m tempted to volunteer to host it, but I don’t think I’ll be ready this year. Maybe next year. If someone else wants to organize something in the Western Rockies count me in.

        now, now, boys, don’t y’all fret yourselves about a little ol clave organization job.  fortunately for you big sky folks, little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) has just expanded its service area to include the entire western united states.         for a nominal sum (contact the undersigned *only* for details), lwo’s, as we are called in the buckhead section of atlanta, will provide you with the time of your life.  of course, certain, um, "services" are actually provided by big joe’s flesh emporium of nasty, colo., but we can assure you of an event that will be burnt into your memories for eternity.         we’ll need a 50% advance and a ten day lead time.  glad to be of assistance. for the firm wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — something bogus to avoid spam)

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        we’ll need a 50% advance and a ten day lead time.  glad to be of assistance.

hell, you’ll have spent all the money in less than 10 days….. waldo the reelist —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS/HOME.HTM

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____  I suppose if we held it here, I’d have to take all you guys on these remote float trips, jet up the Snake River and/or fish for wild cuttrhroat like it was 200 years ago in a wilderness? egads.  the thought of it. Mr. G.

They had jetboats in the late 1700’s? C’mon G, now I don’t even believe that. Big Al

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They had jetboats in the late 1700’s?

Yes, they did.  All tricked out and ready to go.  Fortunately, gasoline had yet to be invented so everyone sat around lookin’ at ‘em and saying, "Damn! I wish someone ‘ud invent gasoline so we could go tearin’ around like maniacs and ravage us an ecosystem!".  Whale oil was available but didn’t have a high enough octane rating.  Eventually the jetboats were abandoned in favor of dugout canoes.  Thought you’d want to know. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Is it a possibility to have one out West, say July or August, that would be accessible for the crowd West of the Mississippi ?     http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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I’ll chime in with the folks saying this (the aircraft carrier/lighthouse story) is a folk tale. It’s just not plausible. was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? EMCON Sorry Crow, I’m afraid you’re going to have to dumb down your explanation for me.  That one went whizzing right be me.

He means "EMission CONtrol" which means that ships are restricted in emitting radar & radio signals so that an enemy would have a harder time tracking and identifying ships, as well as eliminating any chance of jamming. In Navyese this is EMCON. There are several levels, including EMCON ALPHA wherein everything is shut off. I was an engineer, I don’t know all the details about the rest of the scoop. Fresh Breezes- Doug King (former BT2-SW)

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These legends seem to take on a life of their own after a while.  This joke (no mention of exact locations or ship names) was in Reader’s Digest a few years back.  Who knows where it originated, but I’ve heard it many times, always embellished with "factual" information as we see here.  It’s a great joke, but nothing more. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call. If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier battle group. BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know. It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Russ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? EMCON — Visit : http://www.tiac.net/users/vpt/boats/34.htm Sorry Crow, I’m afraid you’re going to have to dumb down your explanation for me.  That one went whizzing right be me. Russ

Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate. Steve — / / / / / /

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I was a DS on Ranger for two WestPacs, and you don’t know the half of it!   I remember being rousted out of bed because every NTDS track in JOTS was heading due south.   Naturally, we blamed the OS’s immediately, but that didn’t pan out,  so we went to work on the TFCC guys.  ;- The tanker T-Bone was legendary for "Danger Ranger" crews, and after dealing with her inertial navigation systems for four years, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. I laugh when I hear about the "High Tech" US Navy. God Bless the CP-642B.  All 32K of core memory in use guiding 80,000 tons of warship, and an entire air wing.  It makes the heart grow fond… Jerome – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Even with the latest technology " garbage in garbage out" still applies. I was an OS on the USS Robison when escorting the Carrier Ranger on a West Pac cruise. We warned the Ranger that we had her "CBDR" (Constant bearing decreasing range) with an unknown contact. We were ~1 mile behind, the Ranger basically blew off our warnings, so we noted it in the log book. The carrier as usual was way off sync with our NTDS network grid. Of coarse the small ship can’t tell the big ship they are wrong;-) All of us that were not on station at the time went out to watch as at the last minute the carrier realized they were going to crash with the Malasian oil tanker, they threw everything into "full reverse", but T-boned the tanker anyway. Never forget that noise! Our ship was sent to circle the tanker to assist the crew, It’s side amidships was crushed in with a big V from the carrier. Oil dumped everywhere of coarse and everyone got sick with the smell of fuel.

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He means "EMission CONtrol" which means that ships are restricted in emitting radar & radio signals so that an enemy would have a harder time tracking and identifying ships, as well as eliminating any chance of jamming. In Navyese this is EMCON. There are several levels, including EMCON ALPHA wherein everything is shut off. I was an engineer, I don’t know all the details about the rest of the scoop.

Understood, thanks. RG

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Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate.

Got it.  Now that I understand EMCON, it does make perfect sense to launch A/C.  Thanks Russ

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Ah – memories of the GOO (Gulf of Oman) – should we even mention the US missile cruiser that engaged a cloud with a Harpoon surface to surface missile in the Gulf of Sidra during our skirmishes with the Libyans.  I should mention, however, that the cloud was destroyed… I’ve heard the battlegroup-lighthouse story about a thousand times – my experience as a US Navy bridge watch officer leads me to believe that if anything like that ever really happened, the battlegroup wouldn’t hesitate to give way since we used to run away from surface contacts on a regular basis, unless, of course we were intent on ruining someone’s day. TK

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Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate.

Got it.  Now that I understand EMCON, it does make perfect sense to launch A/C.  Thanks

Depends on the aircraft. If the TACAN (radio navigation system) is off, some of those flyboys can’t find their butt in the bathtub. Finding their way to the carrier? Hey, those things look *really* small from the air! I’d hate to be the one who lost a $50mil+ aircraft to go investigate an old fishing boat. OTOH, I have seen F-14s buzzing a Soviet Bear doing a fly-by when we were at EMCON A because there were bad guys about. Hell, one guy matched speeds, put his landing gear down, and banged down on top of the poor Russki. "We don’ need no stinkin’ TACAN." Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know. It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today.

I heard that it wasn’t a lighthouse but a large GMC 4×4 with its bright lights on. Then I found out that was only a Suburban legend. Steve

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Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate. Got it.  Now that I understand EMCON, it does make perfect sense to launch A/C.  Thanks

Except this is classified information, you will now have to be shot;-) Ray Relax- Take a San Diego Cyber Cruise! www.sdboats.com

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was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? EMCON — Visit : http://www.tiac.net/users/vpt/boats/34.htm

Sorry Crow, I’m afraid you’re going to have to dumb down your explanation for me.  That one went whizzing right be me. Russ

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It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today.

Well it wasn’t today, but its not that many years ago either, well on second thought a decade might be long to some.  On any account while enjoying a bit of whats known as holiday routine in that section of the planet known for its warmth and sunshine "Gonzo station" (the North Arabian Sea for the non navy types) my ship (I’ll leave the name out to save face) starts tracking a skunk (unknown surface radar contact) approaching the battle group at almost 40 knots.   At that speed the platform was considered to be a fast attack missile boat…in simple terms a threat.  The ship went to GQ (Battle Station) without the word even being passed, and the Carrier (USS Kitty Hawk) launched its ready 5 aircraft.  A few moments later from the other end of CIC (Combat Information Center) a voice rings out (I’ll leave the superlatives out) to one of the scope watches who evidently had accidently switched all the gyro information into the radar’s off.  Once the gyro signal was restored to the radar the skunk’s speed decreased to 12 knots which correlated to an outbound merchant. So even with the Tech stuff, things do go wrong. Might as well throw in quickly another funny incident aboard, One night the OOD calls CIC and the lookouts and commences to chew them out for not reporting anything about a light on the horizon.  The radar operators search but can’t locate anything on their scopes.  Then we hear….Bridge this is the forward lookout, please inform the OOD that the light he wanted to know about is the moon rising.

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was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group?

EMCON — Visit : http://www.tiac.net/users/vpt/boats/34.htm

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It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Well it wasn’t today, but its not that many years ago either, well on second thought a decade might be long to some.   A few moments later from

the other end of CIC (Combat Information Center) a voice rings out (I’ll leave the superlatives out) to one of the scope watches who evidently had accidently switched all the gyro information into the radar’s off.  Once the gyro signal was restored to the radar the skunk’s speed decreased to 12 knots which correlated to an outbound merchant. So even with the Tech stuff, things do go wrong. Might as well throw in quickly another funny incident aboard, One night the OOD calls CIC and the lookouts and commences to chew them out for not reporting anything about a light on the horizon.  The radar operators search but can’t locate anything on their scopes.  Then we hear….Bridge this is the forward lookout, please inform the OOD that the light he wanted to know about is the moon rising.

Even with the latest technology " garbage in garbage out" still applies. I was an OS on the USS Robison when escorting the Carrier Ranger on a West Pac cruise. We warned the Ranger that we had her "CBDR" (Constant bearing decreasing range) with an unknown contact. We were ~1 mile behind, the Ranger basically blew off our warnings, so we noted it in the log book. The carrier as usual was way off sync with our NTDS network grid. Of coarse the small ship can’t tell the big ship they are wrong;-) All of us that were not on station at the time went out to watch as at the last minute the carrier realized they were going to crash with the Malasian oil tanker, they threw everything into "full reverse", but T-boned the tanker anyway. Never forget that noise! Our ship was sent to circle the tanker to assist the crew, It’s side amidships was crushed in with a big V from the carrier. Oil dumped everywhere of coarse and everyone got sick with the smell of fuel. Then there was the time leaving Tahiti when the Skipper ordered the line handlers to get in their dress whites, not realizing that one line to the Tug was still attached. Not a real tug, one of those small foreign jobs. The Skipper (who no one really respected btw) ordered up a speed that was faster than the tug could go, with the line still attached and now very tight the tug crew tried to cut and remove the line, but it was to late. The tug first went backwards and then flipped over. A funny sight watching the tug crew standing on top of the overturned hull yelling and screaming, with the propeller still turning. But the deck hands did change into their dress whites;-)) Or the time we took out a pilon at San Francisco’s Fishermens warf pier Where that sub is now. I guess we should have realized this Skipper was a real bozo when the first time we went to sea he barfed all over the entrance to CIC. Thankfully this skipper didn’t last long and the others I served under were pretty cool. Time frame was the "Big one" (Carter Administration). Ray Relax- Take a San Diego Cyber Cruise! www.sdboats.com

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[...] US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call.

If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier battle group. BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know. Steve — / / / / / /

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     BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban      legend as well.  But you never know. There are earlier versions of this story, using signal lights. I’m sure it’s true, but it happened at least a hundred years ago. — http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html                                               -"Call me Fishmeal"-

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     BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban      legend as well.  But you never know. There are earlier versions of this story, using signal lights. I’m sure it’s true, but it happened at least a hundred years ago.

I can more easily believe a hundred years ago.  I’ve heard so many different versions of this story with the details being different that they all can’t be true.  Ever play whisper down the lane? Steve — / / / / / /

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     United States Ship Abraham Lincoln was NEVER involved in a radio exchange like that.  I have heard the story before, I will research to see if I can identify the vessel, if it was Navy. — Whenever, I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul…I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can.  This is my substitute for pistol and ball.  With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword, I quietly take to the ship.   Ishmael/Moby Dick

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call. If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier battle group. BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know.

It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Russ

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ROFLMAO ! — — Jim Never fight with a bear in his own cave.

|this is not rec.boats but it is boats and it s kinda funny also some |skippers may get a laugh or maby heard it ? |this is a transcript of an actual radio conversation of a US naval ship |with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland released |10-10-95 by the chief of naval operations | |US:  please divert your course 15 degrees to the north to avoid a |collision | |Canadians:  reccommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the south to |avoid a collision | |US:  this is the captain of a us navy ship i say again divert your |course | |Canadains: no i say again you divert your course | |US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in |the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three |destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you |change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or |countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship | |canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call.

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I am sure this is an urban legend, but it is still one hell of a good story — — Jim Never fight with a bear in his own cave.

| |[...] | US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in | the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three | destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you | change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or | countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship | | canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call. | |If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier |battle group. | |BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as |well.  But you never know. | |Steve | |– |/ / / |/ / /

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Can it be an urban legend if it didn’t take place in a city? Just wondering. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am sure this is an urban legend, but it is still one hell of a good story — — Jim Never fight with a bear in his own cave. | |[...] | US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in | the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three | destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Well it wasn’t today, but its not that many years ago either, well on second thought a decade might be long to some.  On any account while enjoying a bit of whats known as holiday routine in that section of the planet known for its warmth and sunshine "Gonzo station" (the North Arabian Sea for the non navy types) my ship (I’ll leave the name out to save face) starts tracking a skunk (unknown surface radar contact) approaching the battle group at almost 40 knots.   At that speed the platform was considered to be a fast attack missile boat…in simple terms a threat.  The ship went to GQ (Battle Station) without the word even being passed, and the Carrier (USS Kitty Hawk) launched its ready 5 aircraft.  A few moments later from the other end of CIC (Combat Information Center) a voice rings out (I’ll leave the superlatives out) to one of the scope watches who evidently had accidently switched all the gyro information into the radar’s off.  Once the gyro signal was restored to the radar the skunk’s speed decreased to 12 knots which correlated to an outbound merchant. So even with the Tech stuff, things do go wrong. Might as well throw in quickly another funny incident aboard, One night the OOD calls CIC and the lookouts and commences to chew them out for not reporting anything about a light on the horizon.  The radar operators search but can’t locate anything on their scopes.  Then we hear….Bridge this is the forward lookout, please inform the OOD that the light he wanted to know about is the moon rising.

Jeez, whatya tryin’ to do, scare the bejeezus outa me?  The moon story I can easily understand because it is one guy suffering a temporary anal/cranal inversion (head up his arse).  But wouldn’t the skunk threat have been verified or denied by other vessels in the group before launching A/C?  Or was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? Russ

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If you are interested in joining The Tracy Fly Fishers on this classes please e-mail me .

I am very interested Rich. Let me know when and where… gig

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I’d be interested in finding out more details about your course, as they become available. THis is one of the things I wish my club offered. Plus, $25 is more than reasonable. Roger Backlar Sierra Pacific Fly Fishers

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Hi everyone , this summer as soon as the snow melts and the water levels turn to normal flows in the Sierra’s Mtn’s I plan on having a BUG course. At this point we are planning a class after July 4 , 1998 Due to the high interest in this course we will have at least three classes . If you are interested in joining The Tracy Fly Fishers on this classes please e-mail me . The course will be one day on the water with many staying the next day for fishing the Stanislaus River. The cost of $25 goes into our club general conservation fund. Thanks Rich Lobrovich 1998 President Tracy Fly Fishers

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Try Beaver Lake. You won’t catch any trophys but you will catch all of the Golden trout and Cutthroats you want and will probably have the whole lake and creek to yourselves.  I went up there August 95 and the last hour I fished I caught a trout on every single cast.   Like I said there not big but they are plenty.  The biggest one I caught was probably 14 or 15 inches. Take I-70 west from Denver to Beaver creek(yes, the ski resort) Get a day parking pass at the gaurd post(free) and park in town.  Then follow the creek about 1 hour and 45 min. to the lake.  You can go up past the inlet and fish the creek too.  E-mail me for more info if you want have fun!!!!!!!

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        I’m returning to Colorado for a while (I moved to Oregon), and am wondering if someone could point me toward a few good fishing spots. The Colorado Angling Guide by Chuck Fothegill & Bob Sterling lists about every place to fish in Colorado.  

With all due respect, this book lists those places to avoid.   TimW

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Hi!         I’m returning to Colorado for a while (I moved to Oregon), and am wondering if someone could point me toward a few good fishing spots.  Since I just learned to flyfish in Oregon, I’ve never had the chance to back in Colorado.  I know the state quite well otherwise, and am willing to drive/hike to get to a good spot. Thanks! A.Davis

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Just returned from a week in Frisco.  There is a catch and release stream just south of Breckenridge (about 5 miles away) that I did very well on. It’s the upper Blue River.  The town of Breckenridge made a private purchase of 750 Brown trout from a private hatchery in Boulder and the fishing was great. Most of the areas around there are catch and release, and according to the guy at Walmart in Frisco – Lake Dillon doesn’t have a lot of fish.  Of course I didn’t try the inlet from the upper Blue to Lake Dillon for some of the browns that might have made their way there. — John Harvey remove xx to email – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of some good flyfishing areas in Colorado with cabins nearby? Thanks, Teri

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Does anyone know of some good flyfishing areas in Colorado with cabins nearby? Thanks, Teri

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[rip...] Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing.

What do you think Rocky Flats is there for ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

if you read john gierach, you would get a pretty good idea of what the area is like…it is his haunt and he does talk about it a lot… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks. Saw Hill Ponds, off 75th st. in Boulder.  Big bluegill and lots of bass, some very large.  I know it ain’t trout, but the panfish action will be great this time of year.  Tell him to walk to the back ponds. JE

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?)

If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them…

I would not try to smoke any tobacco products either.  They get pretty testy about that shit.  Noone will bug you if you decide to spark up a Fat One:-) though, in fact they may want to join you. I would also avoid taking dumpsters, lighting them on fire, and then rolling them down The Hill at policemen. You can, however, get away with murder in that town.  If you do kill someone, the police will posture for months and then bust some poor homeless guy on drugs instead. Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing. </chaz

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Man it is great right now!  Fish everywhere.  10 in each hole anyways.  I am a beginner but have not been skunked yet.  Need help though with what to use, any suggestions?

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Man it is great right now!  Fish everywhere.  10 in each hole anyways.  I am a beginner but have not been skunked yet.  Need help though with what to use, any suggestions?

Dear Seven; Try a light wire tied, size 8 Green Butted Skunk tied sparsely.  Also, if you know the pattern, try ‘the Green Ant’.  Both should skate across the current but I need to know where this river is to make sure I’m not telling you wrong.  However; these two patterns are standard ones in my Steelhead Box. Best of luck, George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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WHERE IS ELK CREEK?

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Now Mr. Gehrke (Gink), this is what this newsgroup is all about.  Keep up the good work and let the other nonsense die. Tight lines and sharp hooks

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Jennifer, The meat fishermen (sic,fisherpersons) have distroyed Elk Creek so you might as well tell everyone where it is. That way if every fisherman in the world is there snaging fish we can go to other streams that are not as popular. Great idea….huh. Tight lines, David

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It’s 12 miles west of Corvallis, OR! Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WHERE IS ELK CREEK? It’s in Nebraska…no,no, it’s a mile or so from the Bighole….wait, that’s the wrong Elk Creek. Ummmmm, lemme see, I think it’s near Stone Mountain Ga. Yup, thats it, Stone Mountain. Oh, THAT ELK CREEK!!!! It’s in Upstate NY. Pullin’ ‘em tight and lettin’ ‘em go somewhere on Elk Creek, Tom. It’s also about 14 miles West of Erie, PA. Jason Beary

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WHERE IS ELK CREEK? It’s in Nebraska…no,no, it’s a mile or so from the Bighole….wait, that’s the wrong Elk Creek. Ummmmm, lemme see, I think it’s near Stone Mountain Ga. Yup, thats it, Stone Mountain. Oh, THAT ELK CREEK!!!! It’s in Upstate NY. Pullin’ ‘em tight and lettin’ ‘em go somewhere on Elk Creek, Tom.

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WHERE IS ELK CREEK?Guard PA Not far from Erie PA on rout 18.

Water gin clear, use nymphs (small). The steelies will spoke to other flies. Roger

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