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<snip Nice report, Roger. I watched a UK fishing show about a guy who rented and floated a large river in Sweden on a raft. He fished for whitefish and trout. Ever heard of this? — Gary M

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Nice report, Roger. Keep catching those big, fat grayling, and keep the reports coming. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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Hi! Had planned to stop working 2 pm. As usual something came up and I wasn’t on my way until 4 pm. Driving the 85 km to my intended fishing spot downstream the Village of Myrheden, I passed a local thunderstorm headed for the coast. However, on arrival at the river the weather was sunny and approx 23 degrees Celsius. River Byske is one of Swedens most famous salmon rivers, but also hold grayling and trout. Earlier in the history of the river it was used to float timber to the coast. As a consequence there were long arms of stone built to concentrate the flow of water to a smaller area and as such deepening the river. Listening to my grandfather talk about the fishing in these days it is obvious that fish benefitted from the timber floating. A huge amount of timber in the first half of the summer meant an enormous food supply for the fish as a variety of insects fell into the water with the timber. Grayling up to lb 4 were caught every summer and brown trout up to lb 10. Today the care takers of this fishing area has started to restore the river to its "natural" state by digging these stone arms back into the river using excavators. Fish biologists have pointed out that this work must be done so that alternating deeper and shallower parts of the river are created (obvious) but the care takers look at money first and as a consequence the cheapest contractor gets the job. What happens? Well, this contractor often knows nothing about restoring the river bed and the result is just as often dissapointing. The tragic part of all this is that the restorations are made with the salmon’s best interest in mind. So in failing improvements for salmon, which after all are migratory fish, the care takers have failed catastrophically with the stationary fish which is only a remnant of what it once was. Enough of this crap, back to the report. Since this was the first trip, this year, to this area, I went straight for the hot spots that have emerged during 26 years of fly fishing in this river. There’s a square meter of the river that every year gets my first attention and this year was no different. Kind of silly isn’t it? to go to the exact same spot year after year, especially since the river is something like 150 km long. But to me it’s like visiting an old friend and being there makes me content if nothing else. The first thing I noticed was that the river was low, more so than usual this time of year. The second was that, probably due to a surprisingly early summer with above average temperatures for over three weeks in a row, the insect life was in full activity. There were two different mayflies swarming and also a number of caddis flies with a medium sized grey variant in majority. One of the mayfly species (don’t know its latin name) was a bright yellow and fairly large mayfly, these mayflies, with the grace of a butterfly, are beautiful to watch. To reach the spot I had to do some wading and whilst doing so I saw a rise just where I had expected it to be. It looked like a fairly large grayling. The spot is located on the neck of a stream with an underwater rock just upstream. By this time my expectations were high and my first cast a bit short in the eager to reach the fish. The second cast I hooked a 15.5 inch grayling weighing slightly below lb1.5 . I usually catch one fish for eating, but this one was too big so I released it. All in all I caught 18 grayling and kept two for breakfast, one for me and one for my 80 year old grandfather who still fly fish but due to a bad knee mostly in lakes. I fished until 4 am with a short break for cooking coffee at midnight. As always this time of the year the presence of the sun was visible as a redish light in the horizon even at 1 am. End of story. P.S. I just got off the phone as a friend of mine called to tell me about a visit to a small river "Mal

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In little to know wind, you’ll be ok unless you’ve got a big bimini or hardtop to act as a sail.  I had a 28lb electric on the stern of a 20′ CC of 4000#s that was adequate in very light wind.  The light thrust was slow in starting or stopping, but worked fine once the mass got moving.  It was a high sided boat, so wind was a big problem if more than 10 knots.  Bow mounts are a lot easier to control and track better, so that would be preferrable to a stern mount.  I would have preferred a Bow mount of about 50 lbs, but did not want to incurr the cost of extra batteries and a new motor.  I already had the 28# motor from an earlier boat. BillS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone used an engine mounted trolling motor on a boat of at least 19′? I have a 19′ cc fishing boat that usually has three people aboard and I wonder if one 55lb thrust motor is anywhere enough to move the boat or should I double up with the motors. I’m looking at the Navigator dual 110 (2 motors). Any info will be appreciated. Thanks,,,Ted

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Has anyone used an engine mounted trolling motor on a boat of at least 19′? I have a 19′ cc fishing boat that usually has three people aboard and I wonder if one 55lb thrust motor is anywhere enough to move the boat or should I double up with the motors. I’m looking at the Navigator dual 110 (2 motors). Any info will be appreciated. Thanks,,,Ted

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I’m interested in this subject too, although I have a lowly 14′ bowrider.  I would very much like to have a trolling motor, since 90% of what we do is fishing, but to put one on the bow would impair the little space available, and there is no room on the stern. We normally boat on small lakes with little to no current. — "Stay calm.  Be brave.  Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone used an engine mounted trolling motor on a boat of at least 19′? I have a 19′ cc fishing boat that usually has three people aboard and I wonder if one 55lb thrust motor is anywhere enough to move the boat or should I double up with the motors. I’m looking at the Navigator dual 110 (2 motors). Any info will be appreciated. Thanks,,,Ted

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There are some who equate 12-15# of thrust to one horsepower, although the two units of measure aren’t really the same and that number can sure be argued with. If a 3 hp outboard is enough to do what you want in the trolling department, it might work. They are quiet and inobtrusive. Look at a Minn Kota.  http://www.minnkotamotors.com/ This unit sure wouldn’t get you home on that boat in the event your main engine goes out unless you have ideal water/current/wind conditions and a LOT of batteries.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, a pawn, a disgruntled worker or a martyr for a cause; or did he just deliver justice to an out of control government? A new perspective that the folks at the Today Show and the like don’t want you to consider. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm

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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, a pawn, a disgruntled worker or a martyr for a cause; or did he just deliver justice to an out of control government?

No. He just hated like a hick .. no reason or judgement .. just bound up in an unquestioned way of life that he didn’t have the intelligence to set aside. johns

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yawn just another pylon to ignore… I don’t know why anyone even bothers to find out who these "anonymous" ppl are. The internet is such a cultural wasteland filled with clueless people so eager to share their misinformed or misguided opinion. Time to put the LSD and crayons away.  People truly need to learn that the gov’t really doesn’t give a rats ass about who you are, or what you do. You’re just a number in a total population figure. The reason people say ignorance is bliss is because the statement has some merit to it.  Live to whatever age you live to, marry reproduce and be wormfood. Oh, and quit hogging our newsgroup bandwidth.  If you aren’t behind the way the world works by now, you never will be.

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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage.

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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.

Facts are he was conviicted and recently admitted his role to two local reporters who interviewed him for a recently published book. Of course the jury could be wrong and Tim could have lied to the authors. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?

Two wrongs don’t make a right. )

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world? Two wrongs don’t make a right.

After what he did to the children and their family’s,  they should just strap him to a box of dynamite and set it off…….  But that would cause air pollution I suppose…… Pete

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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?

Sometimes it is what one doesn’t say. Utterly unbelievable story in today’s paper: "Birmingham, Ala. – For three decades, the FBI failed to disclose it had hundreds of hours of tape recordings and other evidence that could help convict former Ku Klux Klansmen in the 1963 church bombing that killed four black girls. FBI spokesman Craig Dahle said, " I think it is wrong to assert there was any effort to block anything." Jay Reeves, Associated Press May 4, 2001 It was not stated just what title was put on this governmental file. Steve                ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~

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Regardless of feelings about McVeigh’s act in OKC, it’s NOT hard to understand his rationale – especially in relation to acts like Waco that predominantly shaped his own retaliatory act as it did. If you are to understand the things people do, you have to ALSO understand their motivations. *I* understand Tim’s – I think – but what I DON’T understand is WHY, once he was caught he abandoned his "rebel crusade" and pleaded innocent, rather than stand boldly as the revolutionary he seemed to picture himself to that point. After all, "crusaders", and "revolutionaries" pretty much have to assume they will eventually be caught and punished – and when THAT happens, if they are SINCERE in their supposed beliefs, they would be expected to one more time use the public spotlite to advance their core belief rather than try to weasle out like a coward… — Gary – KJ6Q http://community.webshots.com/user/davison71 California’s energy crisis… Brought to you by your friendly environmentalists. Cold? Hungry? Roast a Spotted Owl over a family room bonfire! Out of work? Volunteer for a job at Sierra Club headquarters to help tear down more dams and power plants in California and along the Columbia river…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world? Sometimes it is what one doesn’t say. Utterly unbelievable story in today’s paper: "Birmingham, Ala. – For three decades, the FBI failed to disclose it had hundreds of hours of tape recordings and other evidence that could help convict former Ku Klux Klansmen in the 1963 church bombing that killed four black girls. FBI spokesman Craig Dahle said, " I think it is wrong to assert there was any effort to block anything." Jay Reeves, Associated Press May 4, 2001 It was not stated just what title was put on this governmental file. Steve                ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~

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croaked…   Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.

Please take it off this list.

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Is that what you think of doing to your president too?

Just why would one want to do that? Lets see.  Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? Visit www.k7no.com   Under construction but getting there.

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Is that what you think of doing to your president too? Just why would one want to do that? Lets see.  Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? And???

And yer cross-posting this nonesense over about half a dozen newsgroups. Seriously, if we all wanted these opinions we’d have gone out of our ways to ask y’all for them. –Ken

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Alaska River Adventures ( George Heim out of Kenai) is a great operation with a website http://www.alaskariveradv.com/. Katmai Fishing Adventures (Nanci Morris) runs flyfishing trips out of Bristol Bay area but fishes S. Alaska frequently. Katmai is at 907 246 8322 (sorry no web address yet except through http://www.worldangler.com/nmorakad.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Contact The Alaska Expidition Co.  1-800-572-0980 or 903-463-7112.  They have a lodge on the Tsiu river and September is a good time to go.  Lots of silvers, few bears.   Look and the latest fly-fisherman mag.    Scott Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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You might look into Alaska Rainbow Adventures for a float trip. Web site at  http://www.akrainbow.com. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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        Contact The Alaska Expidition Co.  1-800-572-0980 or 903-463-7112.  They have a lodge on the Tsiu river and September is a good time to go.  Lots of silvers, few bears.   Look and the latest fly-fisherman mag.         Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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looking for stream conditions and fly patterns to use in the northwest SC, northeast  GA, southwest NC area.  have not been flyfishing long and have a desire to get that first fish!!! thanks

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looking for stream conditions and fly patterns to use in the northwest SC, northeast  GA, southwest NC area.  have not been flyfishing long and have a desire to get that first fish!!! thanks

Hasn’t rained in a while so the creeks I was on last weekend (in the Blue Ridge WMA in N GA) were about normal. Got a few takes on bwo and elk hair caddis but didn’t see any rising fish. — Charlie…

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looking for stream conditions and fly patterns to use in the northwest SC, northeast  GA, southwest NC area.  have not been flyfishing long and have a desire to get that first fish!!!

Try the Chattooga River access at Burrell’s Ford from GA and SC.  I’d recommend getting the Chattooga River Wild and Scenic River Map published by the Forest Service.  The river is very fishable now and you can check the water level at the USGS web site.  This river normally runs 2 to 3 feet, if it is above 5 feet don’t waste your time.  Humpy’s and Elk hair caddis are good in the pocket water, and Hare’s ears are good in the pools.  I caught a really nice Brown a couple of weeks ago in the West Fork of the Chattooga.  However, the casting is tight and may not be what you are looking for if your new to the sport.  I also like to fish upstream of the West Fork up toward Elliott Rock (which is the border with NC).  The river is pretty wide with plenty of room for a backcast. It is a couple of mile hike upstream of Burrells Ford and most of thebait fishermen won’t make the trip.  Good Luck. Patrick

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For those of us that spend too much time in the office and not nearly relief.  www.1photo.com/fish2much.htm

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For those of us that spend too much time in the office and not nearly relief.  www.1photo.com/fish2much.htm

Or one could just take their favorite photo to almost any Kinko’s and have a mouse pad made from it for about half the cost. John Fereira

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i need ideas for flys i can use to catch a muski on a fly rod. all help will be much appreciated.                               hopefully helped,                                                    coolcat913

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I need idaes (help) on fly patterens or just flys to use to catch a muski on a fly rod. i’ve had little help on this matter from some  people, books, and web sits I ethier read or talked to. so anything you can tell me will be much much appericated!                                   Hopfully helped,(by you)                                                             coolcat913  

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i need ideas for flys i can use to catch a muski on a fly rod. all help will be much appreciated.

        Here’s some help (hopely)… You should have flies to control all necesary depths (0-6ft). On this page got good flies, <AHREF="http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/<A/

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I have had most success with whooper-sized Dahlberg Divers.  Use long trailing tail of flashbou,a nd you may want to tie a trailer hook into the fly  (see saltwater rigs).  Bunny strips are excellent too, tied as streamers. — Indy http://realindy.com

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Visit a comprehensive web site for western Montana fly fishing.  The site offers descriptions and maps of local waters, articles from guides and outfitters and an extensive primer for teaching fly fishing to loved ones. Additionally, the site offers a tour of many of the top fly shops, outfitters and lodging. http://www.montana.com/flyfishing

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An article by Dave Odell on the Bitterroot River and one by Dave Archer on guiding/outfitting are particularly good.  These guys know their stuff.  They have both been guiding for close to twenty years in western Montana. – Charlie Miller – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Visit a comprehensive web site for western Montana fly fishing.  The site offers descriptions and maps of local waters, articles from guides and outfitters and an extensive primer for teaching fly fishing to loved ones. Additionally, the site offers a tour of many of the top fly shops, outfitters and lodging. http://www.montana.com/flyfishing

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

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Try Luis Cruz at 305-262-4330. His beeper is 305-313-8491 (when tone rings just enter your phone number including area code there is no voice message). I’ve fished with many of the best guides in the Keys, including some of the famous legends. Luis is young, knowledgeable, hardworking, and has put me into fish every trip…I’ll be doing some flyfishing for permit with him in mid-September. He’s a number one guide who knows Key Biscayne like his back yard. Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

This is a good time to fish because it is cooling a little and the flats are not so crowded. You might find some baby tarpon ( 10 to 30#), bonefish, permit or redfish. This is the second season, Oct/Nov. The spring, April/May/June, is the most popular time to fish southern Florida. At this time you also have the big migration of tarpon. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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        I’m a beginner spending a week at Lake George, on the s platte near 11 mile canyon. Would sure appreciate suggestions on where to fish and what they’ll likely be eating.         Good local shops forflies and advice would be great also.                         Thanks in advance,                                         Mac

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   I’m a beginner spending a week at Lake George, on the s platte near 11 mile canyon. Would sure appreciate suggestions on where to fish and what they’ll likely be eating.    Good local shops forflies and advice would be great also.                    Thanks in advance,                                    Mac

Mac, you may have seen my post "South Platte Cheesman Canyon:Alert!" I spoke of how I felt the fishing has declined in recent years. Anyway, I too was once a novice and I learned to fish by getting many tips from guides and just very friendly seasoned fly fishermen. At any rate there is a book that I highly recommend called:"Fly Fishing the South Platte River" By: Roger Hill*. This book if digested properly will be an invaluble source of information. Also, I recommend seeing Dick Johnson at the "Flies & Lies" fly shop in Deckers,Colorado. Dick always seems to know what they’re biting on and has everything you need to reel them in.The afore mentioned book is also available at Dick’s shop. Nymphing may be best I think because that’s where the trout seem to be most of the time. For starters use: San Juan worms size:#16 in earth tone. RS-2’s:#18-#20 olive green and gray. Brassies:#18-#24. Pheasant-tail nymphs:#18-#22. Maybe some Miracle nymphs and pupa’s in smaller sizes as well. Fish them in tandum with a couple of split shots and two strike indicators approximately 4-5ft. above your 1st fly. Best of luck, Mac and don’t forget to "Catch and Release." Sincerely, Cliff *A portion of the proceeds from the sales of this book will be donated to Colorado Trout Unlimited. "Best of angling" friends…..

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