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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – % % % % % I don’t know, but if this guy % is for real……he scares me!!!! % % This is the strait scoop.  Theres % nothing to be scared of unless your a % smartmouth like that stooge guy Moe. % % % Me, too!  Strangely, I’m reminded % of the thread from late % Summer/early Fall that dealt % with stories of sabotage, flattened % tires and other acts against fisher % people…  hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! % % I dont know nothin about that % stuff.  I just started posting % here.   I know % about guys who got their tires % slashed when they fished here in NY on them % Indian reservations.   You gotta % watch out for some of them jamokes when %they % go on the warpath.  I could tell % you stories but I dont got the time now. %The % little lady is already bitchin % cause Im running the computer instead of %helping % with her dishes. % % MEOW!!!! % % Tony G. % % % -tran % Oakland, CA % % % % % % % % THIS POSTED IN ALT.FAN.KARL-MALDEN.NOSE, %ALT.ALIEN.VAMPIRE.FLONK.FLONK.FLONK, % REC.OUTDOORS.FISHING.FLY  REC.OUTDOORS % FISHING.BASS, ALT.FISHING % % BOYCOTT THE COLEMAN STORE FOR CENSHORSHIP % www.rochesterweb.com/colemans % a.f.k-m.n.n (newbie)number of 2. % THIS POSTED IN ALT.FAN.KARL-MALDEN.NOSE, %ALT.ALIEN.VAMPIRE.FLONK.FLONK.FLONK, % REC.OUTDOORS.FISHING.FLY % REC.OUTDOORS FISHING.BASS, ALT.FISHING % % BOYCOTT THE COLEMAN STORE FOR CENSHORSHIP % www.rochesterweb.com/colemans % a.f.k-m.n.n (newbie)number of 2. % %PROBLEM THE FIRST: Adding "Subject" %to the subject header %is stupid and redundant and %fucks up the way that many %newsreaders, including Mozilla %and Agent, display threads. % %PROBLEM THE SECOND: You did not %x-post this to AFKMN, or %for that matter anywhere else, %and especially not any of %the groups that you list. In %fact, all of the people you %replied too will likely never %see your posts for this %reason. (You will note that %this has been corrected, %and I even added alt.flame %to the headers, because I %felt like flaming a newbie %anyway. You’re welcome.) % %PROBLEM THE THIRD: We (TINW) %do not issue "newbie %numbers". I don’t know who %told you that, and whoever %it is is probably going to be %really pissed that I ruined %the joke, but that’s the truth. % %PROBLEM THE FOURTH: Your grammar sucks. % %PROBLEM THE FIFTH: You make no %attempt at making anything %even vaguely resembling UPA. %This of course makes me %wonder why you are here in %the first place, unless of %course you are one of those %stupid newbie me-tooers that %have been plaguing us recently. %Which is in fact very %likely. % %PROBLEM THE SIXTH: You posted %your sig twice. Way to %go, dipshit. % %PROBLEM THE SEVENTH: You suck. % %CONCLUSION: I’d plonk you, but %I’m actually vaguely %interested as to how you react to this. % %– %mhm37×4                   crisis at quackquack dot com % %"They call them ‘bouncing %baby boys’, but they don’t really %bounce. They just sort of go ‘plop’." % %      -Bruce McCulloch % %Mr. Crisis; % %I dont got a lot of time to post %this morning.  I got up late and I gotta open %the shop up for the boys in a few minutes. % %I wrote Mr. Crisis cause I dont know %if your a guy or a girl from your name but %Im guessing your a guy.   If Im wrong %I figger you’ll let me know. % %I know Im a newbie and I figger %like most places this is some kind of %initation.  Im cool with that.  So %Im not gonna get insulting back at you %because that probably wouldnt be %the Meow way and Im trying to be a good Meower %now.  I hope I pass the initation. % %Ive been reading the Nose for weeks %now and I dont remeber seeing too much from %you before.  Your probably one of %them lower rankin Meowers that they use for %the initations.  Your not one of the %big time Meowers like Medcial Catastrophy. % Thats ok because you still rank higher %than me.  Its like us guys at the %volunteer fire dept all got different ranks. % %It dont always got anything to do %with how long you been somewhere neither.   I %been with the fire dept for 12 years %now but I take orders from the guy whose %Captain even though hes only been there %6 years and Im bigger than he is and I %could kick his behind if I wanted to. %   I figger its somethin like that. % %Im doing good as a mewoer so far. %Ive got all kinds of guys pissed off in all %them fishin groups and there talking %about ratting on me to compuserv and me %losing my account with compuserv. %Dont you people call that netpolice?  They %dont want me posting there because %they dont want to here nothing bad about the %fishing and the guys lifting and %snaggin the fish all the tiem. % %Before I go I wanted to talk about %some of them problems you mentioned.  Thanks %for posting to all those groups all %at once for me.   With this compuserv crap %I cant crosspost nothin.   The reason %for stuff being in my posts twice is %because Ive been copying and then %pasting all these posts to new posts and then %posting to each group individually. %It sure takes a lot of time and thats why %I dont have a lot of time to respond today. % %As far as them newbie numbers I got. %I got 3133T from Medical Catastrophy and %the other one I got from Scott Johnson. %I dont know what the Meow policy is on %them numbers but I figger that Medical % Catastrophy knows what hes talkin about. % Youll have to take it up with him. %Hes like your boss right? % %PS  Whats UPA?   I cant talk intelligent %about it if I dont know what it is. % %PPS   I know my writing sucks but %its better than it used to be.  Im trying but %its hard.  Its always been hard.   The %penguins were always making me stay %after school as a kid at the Catholic %school there.  I want to be a writer %though so I can write good stuff %about the storys my dad used to tell me about %WW2 and Toe Joe and Hero Hito. % %Ill see ya.  Thanks again. % %MEOW!!!!! % %Tony G.  3133T This troll.  It is simply too obvious. I will not respond to it. hey toneyg im liek teh lowest rankeing dued here next to loerd corkscrewbutt so yuo can litsen to me but be suer not to copey anytheing i do or respeong to me or yuoll be immeddieatetly gieven a vrey low mewo rank henvieng said thet i hace to respecteufleley disagree weth teh

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I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams?

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<<I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams? Try the Chattooga in the NE corner of the state.  Take Fire Road 646 off of Rt28 to Burrells Ford.  Walk upstream about two miles and fish down. In Helen, off of Alt 75, fish Dukes Creek.  Reservations necessary. Visit the fly shop in Helen on Rt 75.  They should be able to set ya straight.  Then, go next door to the working grist mill and sample Georgia Ice Cream (actually grits). Dave LaCourse A Bay Stater who’s heart is in Georgia (along with 90 acres). d;0)

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I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams?

Take a look at http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/ — Charlie…

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Can you cast easily in your bathroom?   If you want to get the true feel of Apalachian flyfishing try the Noontootla. The scenery is worth it, but she’s a man-killer. Another spot, if you have access to a float tube or canoe is the tailrace of the Toccoa River below the Blue Ridge Dam (in Blue Ridge GA).  Easy access at the dam and you can get out a few mile down the river at a bridge or at the homes along the bank.  Try to time it so that you are at the dam when they stop generating and turn down the flow.  The trout will start rising as the water drops. The Chattooga is a far more comfortable river to fish, open enough for a back cast all the way to Elliott Rock (which is the NC,SC, and GA border.)  You need a NC license to fish above Elliott Rock.   Good Luck. Patrick

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all.

I got a bucks bronco.  Reasons why: a. Stainless steel frame b. adjustable foot pegs (especially important if you are going to run moving water or are taller or shorter than the mythical "average") Things I don’t like: a. LOTS of places for your line to snag, especially when casting across your body (which you will do if you use it on a lake in the wind and don’t anchor) New developments: a. They just came out with a 10 foot pontoon. I wasn’t overly impressed with the "all metal back deck" available on some of the boats on the market.  Other than that There aren’t many "features" that vary between boats.  Most are rocker designs, have a seat, oarlocks, and a stripping apron.

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all.

I’ve used the Bucks Bronco and like the newer models a lot.  I own a JW Outfitters Voyager and it is one tough boat that can handle Class III water with ease.

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

Tom: I also have a Buck’s Bronco and also bought it partly because of the stainless frame.  My *only* minor complaint is the ratchet mechanism for the anchor.  Either mine doesn’t operate correctly or I’ve never figured out how to use it right.  It really doesn’t drop the anchor very easily. Other than that, I love the thing.  I’ve used it on streams here in Utah as well as Idaho & Wyoming and it’s great.  It has 8′ pontoons and I’ve had it on the Green, the Snake, and the South Fork, all pretty good-sized streams. I always wear a life vest, partly because I’m still not that experienced a boatman.  My dream is to take it on a camping float in Alaska. Good storage capacity, easy to inflate & deflate, sturdy and well-built.  If I deflate it about 3/4 of the way, it will slide fully-assembled right in the back of my SUV so carrying it is a breeze.  It really doesn’t even take long at all to figure out the rowing/kicking/maneuvering. I would say that you will occasionally find yourself pointed a different direction from where you want to cast (I do, anyway), but that can be part of the fun. Bob Bob

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Look into the Outcast PAC line. The 8′ and 10′ are great. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

Tom:  I’ve used the Buck’s Bag Bronco and Southfork models on the Clark Fork and Bitteroot, and they have been great, although other brands no doubt will to the job.  They have 7ft pontoons, I think (haven’t measured).  Have taken them through some pretty rough water as well. Never felt the need for an anchor or a stripping apron, although the rear deck is perfect for a cooler.  Have fun – you will love it. Mark Faulkner

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. I got a bucks bronco.  Reasons why: a. Stainless steel frame b. adjustable foot pegs (especially important if you are going to run moving water or are taller or shorter than the mythical "average") Things I don’t like: a. LOTS of places for your line to snag, especially when casting across your body (which you will do if you use it on a lake in the wind and don’t anchor) New developments: a. They just came out with a 10 foot pontoon. I wasn’t overly impressed with the "all metal back deck" available on some of the boats on the market.  Other than that There aren’t many "features" that vary between boats.  Most are rocker designs, have a seat, oarlocks, and a stripping apron.

I have a Yukon 2, by Leigh outdoor, and I work there as a part time job.  All of Leighs pontoon boats are made out of aluminum. (no rust) They tend to not be as heavy and are very strong.  We had a guy who came in who wanted one to run white water, he said he liked to fish on the side.  He ran it on the portion of the Snake below Jackson, and loved it.  I guess he ran that stretch 4 times in one day with it.  When he came back in he said that he tried to tip it over on "lunchcounter" or whichever one where the river narrows and is forced between two rock outcroppings. (its really big)  I guess he tried to go through side ways and front ways but to no avail so on the last try he through all of his weight backward and practically stood up on the foot pegs to get it to go over.  He claims he never had so much fun in his life.  It is a very sturdy boat.  Leigh makes a 10 footer for long trips as well.  It is the "gallatin".  The Yukon’s and Green river models are good for up to 3 day trips if you pack right. and are just fine for the 3 or 4 hour trip as well.  They pack down into a space of about 2 1/2 feet by 3 1/2 feet.  You can easily transport 2 in the trunk of a small car.  The unique thing is that the pontoons have a heavy inner tube in them.  (like a truck tube)  and are very durable.  All models have adjustable foot pegs that allows both big and small to be comfortable.  All the paint is powder coated on.   Not to bash other manufacturers but we have had so many calls about a certain manufacturers frames rusting out that our product designer at one time was thinking of making a frame that would fit on the competitors pontoons, but has since decided against doing so.  You don’t want a frame that has the potential to rust on you. Leigh frames carry a lifetime warrenty and are the only Coast Guard Certified pontoon boat that I know of.  They have many models to choose from and all the extra’s you can imagine.  Just find one that suited most to your needs.  If there is ever a problem you can call them and they will go to great lengths to see that you are pleased. When there is a problem and you have an upcomming trip, if they can’t fix it in time they will send you a loaner boat to get you through, until they can get your boat fixed up. Of course I’m not prejudice, I just work there.   They have a site but not all of their boats are listed, but you can call them and they will send you a catalog or tell you where the nearest supplier is or you can E-mail me and I’ll make sure you get a catalog. or http://www.b-mktg.com/leighhp/leighhp.htm or Leigh Outdoor Products 62 S. 950 W.  Brigham City UT 84302 1-435-734-0750 I hope you find the best boat for you. Shaun

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I received an email from someone in the St. Louis, MO area about dry fly fishing in Meremac Park on a section with the name Heart Attack Hill. Has anyone heard of this or would the person who emailed me please respond again?

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The correct name is " Cardiac Hill" but I heard you can get a heart attack climbing the hill. I looked for it last Sun. but there was too many people in orange walking around with shotguns, so I went to the north end of Meramec Park and fished in the Trophy Trout Area. The fish were stacked up like pancakes on a plate. There is a map of Cardiac Hill on the Meramec Basin of Trout Unlimited Web Page http://www.troutunlimited.org/welcome.html Have Fun, Tuna man

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I’m interested in knowing who besides a tarpon fisherman has use for a fly leaderstretcher.  Please e-mail me direct with any input. thanks. mark. Mark Gervase

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Anyone who wants to pretie a fly to a shock tippet. Shock tippets are generally used to catch fish that have a tendancy to cut through a normal leader because of their behavior, sharp gill rackers, or teeth. The leader stretcher lets you pretie the flies to your shock tippet and keep your shock straight. A coily shock won’t do. Also, because of their bulk, leader stretchers are typically used by anglers fishing from a boat or where they don’t have to do a lot of wading/walking. I have developed my own easy-to-make, inexpensive stretchers for tarpon, snook, pike, muskies, and sometimes (without shocks) even for chinooks and cohos. Bob Elliott

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I’m interested in knowing who besides a tarpon fisherman has use for a fly leaderstretcher.  Please e-mail me direct with any input. thanks. mark. Mark Gervase

I fish for trout here in Oregon and regularly use a stretcher when needed.  I use a piece of rubber tubing cut from an old inner tube. works fine.  Another old trick is to rub toothpaste on the leader to sink it.  Works great too.  Neither of which costs hardly anything.

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I fish for trout here in Oregon and regularly use a stretcher when needed.  I use a piece of rubber tubing cut from an old inner tube. works fine.  <snip

Nolan, I would caution you about this technique for stretching leaders as it can damage the leader.  When you draw a piece of mono through the rubber pieces it generates a good deal of heat.  This heat is, supposedly, sufficient to weaken the leader.  I don’t have any emperical evidence of this but I have experienced the heating when using rubber to stretch leaders. I play it safe by simply grasping the leader in arm length sections and stretch it with a steady, firm pull for a few seconds.  This does a reasonable job but will not complete take the curl out of the butt section.  However, I find that even in the cold conditions of winter fishing the butt section will straighten out upon use after a short time – paticularly if you can get the assistance of a large Lake Ontario steelhead. Steve

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Saltwater flyfishers who head offshore! I routinely carry six or eight stretchers with a dozen to two dozen flies per stretcher when heading offshore. They keep the shock leader, or bite tippet, straight and ready to go at a moments notice. Tom Dougherty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interested in knowing who besides a tarpon fisherman has use for a fly leaderstretcher.  Please e-mail me direct with any input. thanks. mark. Mark Gervase I fish for trout here in Oregon and regularly use a stretcher when needed.  I use a piece of rubber tubing cut from an old inner tube. works fine.  Another old trick is to rub toothpaste on the leader to sink it.  Works great too.  Neither of which costs hardly anything.

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. I have developed my own easy-to-make, inexpensive stretchers for tarpon, snook, pike, muskies, and sometimes (without shocks) even for chinooks and cohos. Bob Elliott

Sounds interesting, How about a description? Rick

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I use a piece of stiff cardboard with slots at each end to keep shock leaders for flats fishing off Cedar Key/Suwannee coast.  Tell me what – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interested in knowing who besides a tarpon fisherman has use for a fly leaderstretcher.  Please e-mail me direct with any input. thanks. mark. Mark Gervase I fish for trout here in Oregon and regularly use a stretcher when needed.  I use a piece of rubber tubing cut from an old inner tube. works fine.  Another old trick is to rub toothpaste on the leader to sink it.  Works great too.  Neither of which costs hardly anything.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Richard–Regarding your response to my comment about leader stretchers: the stretchers I make are out of a relatively new material that is used alot in the fabrication of portable exhibits (trade shows, etc.). It is like foam core, but doesn’t have foam! It’s waterproof and while it is rigid , it’ll still bend. Basically, I cut the material into 24" x 12" sections. Then I drill six holes near the top and six more holes about 3 inches below and offset from the first set of holes. These holes are where I place my tied and preknotted flies. On the other end of the board I cut 12 slits to align with the holes I cut in the other end. These slits are for the shook/tippet to slide through. On the back side, I individually tape the tippet of each pretied shock,tippet and fly. By taping each tightly, I create a slight bow in the board that put stress on the shock until I use it. All in all, I love this simple system … I store the boards in a canvas carry bag and have quicker access to pretied flies and shocks than with any other system. Its great when you are on a boat for tarpon. I the directions aren’t clear, send me a personal email, and I’ll try to clarify them. Thanks. Bob Elliott

Bob,         Every time I try to use a leader stretcher (for blues) I run into the same problem. In my living room the flies all sit on the stretcher nice and pretty with the tippets neatly coiled like prepackaged guitar strings. Then, after I take it out once or twice all these nice coils become a tangled mess, I pull them all off the stretcher and throow the lot away ! How do you keep those coils from coming loose/getting tangled, etc. ? The knots I tie accidentally seem stronger than those I tie on purpose….                                                 jc

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Richard–Regarding your response to my comment about leader stretchers: the stretchers I make are out of a relatively new material that is used alot in the fabrication of portable exhibits (trade shows, etc.). It is like foam core, but doesn’t have foam! It’s waterproof and while it is rigid , it’ll still bend. Basically, I cut the material into 24" x 12" sections. Then I drill six holes near the top and six more holes about 3 inches below and offset from the first set of holes. These holes are where I place my tied and preknotted flies. On the other end of the board I cut 12 slits to align with the holes I cut in the other end. These slits are for the shook/tippet to slide through. On the back side, I individually tape the tippet of each pretied shock,tippet and fly. By taping each tightly, I create a slight bow in the board that put stress on the shock until I use it. All in all, I love this simple system … I store the boards in a canvas carry bag and have quicker access to pretied flies and shocks than with any other system. Its great when you are on a boat for tarpon. I the directions aren’t clear, send me a personal email, and I’ll try to clarify them. Thanks. Bob Elliott

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Bob, Every time I try to use a leader stretcher (for blues) I run into the same problem. In my living room the flies all sit on the stretcher nice and pretty with the tippets neatly coiled like prepackaged guitar strings. Then, after I take it out once or twice all these nice coils become a tangled mess, I pull them all off the stretcher and throow the lot away ! How do you keep those coils from coming loose/getting tangled, etc. ? The knots I tie accidentally seem stronger than those I tie on purpose….

      jc Dear jc … I know the problem. My little system has kept the tangling to a minimum. First of all I loop-to-loop connections for all pretied leaders. I tie the fly to the shock (usually no longer than 6") and then, with a huffnagle or albright with lock, the shock to the tippet (minimum IGFA length). So from hook point to the end of tippet I’ve got about 26" of stuff. I tie a double or triple surgeons loop at the end of the tippet. That’s all I put on the stretcher. I can get at least a dozen pretied setups on each of the homemade stretchers I described. I then tape each loop to the back of the stretcher with artist’s (restickable) masking tape, creating enough tension to keep each pretied setup tight. I have a loop pretied to the butt section on the reel, so whenever I want to change flies, I do the loop to loop thing and replace the unwanted setup on the stretcher using the restickable tape. It’s not perfect, but it works (even in the rain). Good fishin’ Bob Elliott

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I don’t use leader strechers, I fish for them…. TimW

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I’m interested in knowing who besides a tarpon fisherman has use for a fly leaderstretcher.  Please e-mail me direct with any input. thanks. mark. Mark Gervase

Anyone who is using 60# or heavier mono for shock(wear) tippets for fish with abrasive mouths like tarpon and billfish. It keeps the heavy material straight so your fly will run straight. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Could someone tell me the price a Jungle Cock cape is worth and were can i order some. Tanks Serge

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Could someone tell me the price a Jungle Cock cape is worth and were can i order some. Tanks Serge

They cost around $125. The Golden Hackle Fly Shop  1-800-449-4359 or Fly & Field 1-800-328-9753 Steve.

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Could someone tell me the price a Jungle Cock cape is worth and were can i order some. Tanks Serge They cost around $125. The Golden Hackle Fly Shop  1-800-449-4359 or Fly & Field 1-800-328-9753 Steve.

Well, I take it back.  I just got my new Golden Hackle catalog, and the price has gone up to $195 for a #1 cape.  I haven’t seen a new F&F, but I would bet his price went way up too, since Gordon at the Golden Hackle is pretty fair with his prices. Steve

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Another source of jungle cock is Dan Bailey’s catalog page 33.  The feathers are selected by size and sell for $5.95 per package. For futhure info call 800-356-4052. Good Tying & Tight Lines Al BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

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The Cabela’s 1996 fly-fishing catalog has #1 capes for $125 and #2 capes for $97

The (new?) British monthly Fly Fishing and Fly Tying has currently an inserted catalogue for Anglia Fisheries listing #1 jungle cock capes for 80 pounds — much the same as Cabelas. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could someone tell me the price a Jungle Cock cape is worth and were can i order some. Tanks Serge They cost around $125. The Golden Hackle Fly Shop  1-800-449-4359 or Fly & Field 1-800-328-9753 Steve. Well, I take it back.  I just got my new Golden Hackle catalog, and the price has gone up to $195 for a #1 cape.  I haven’t seen a new F&F, but I would bet his price went way up too, since Gordon at the Golden Hackle is pretty fair with his prices. Stev

You  can also call Shannon’s Toronto Canada 1.800.618.1418

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  Should a paddler proceed close to a fisher as to not spook trout or other species on the other side of whatever body of water or should they proceed as far away from the casting path as possible.  What are the opinions of others out there?  This is just a question to better inform myself and any others that might be concerned about the issue.

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The North Umpqua River in Oregon is has stretches that are closed to boating between 6 p.m. and 10 a.m.  This seems to leave a reasonable amount of prime fishing time for the flyfisherpeople.  Despite this arrangement, I’ve had a fisherman demand that I tell him (at 5:30) whether there were any other boaters coming down the river after me as it I had some way of knowing.

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  Should a paddler proceed close to a fisher as to not spook trout or other species on the other side of whatever body of water or should they proceed as far away from the casting path as possible.  What are the opinions of others out there?  This is just a question to better inform myself and any others that might be concerned about the issue.

As both a paddler and flyfisher in the smaller New Mexican Streams I prefer the following courses of action if possible.  Many times you see the fisher standing knee to hip deep in the water casting forward.  This leaves enough room to go behind them but make sure first they see you or you could get caught on the back cast.  If the fisher is standing on shore and you see they cannot make the cast all the way across stream then follow the opposite shoreline.  If they are on shore and they can cast across stream then follow the path as close to the fisher as possible.  Sometimes fisherman will get spooked by this course of action but if you wisper on the way by that you didn’t want to spook the fish they were casting to then then are usually appreciative.  I say wisper because even normal talk is enough to spook fish.  So if normal talk can then unnecessary paddle noise can too, so try to be stealthy when possible and don’t scream out "how’s the fishing" on the way by.  If the fisher feels you are trying to be sensitive to their needs through the 50 feet of water you are passing through then it usually avoids problems.  This is how I approach it but would like to here comments on how others do it short of haul your boat out and walk around because I don’t think I would do this as a kayaker – it’s my river too. -Allen Sansano

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The North Umpqua River in Oregon is has stretches that are closed to boating between 6 p.m. and 10 a.m.  This seems to leave a reasonable amount of prime fishing time for the flyfisherpeople.  

This might not seem so reasonable if the pale evening dun hatch started around 5:00.  Prime fishing time is when the fish are feeding. Despite this arrangement, I’ve had a fisherman demand that I tell him (at 5:30) whether there were any other boaters coming down the river after me as it I had some way of knowing.

Remember, kayakers on the river are much more maneuverable then a flyfisher that has waded out to a spot and is sight casting to a spooky brown trout sitting just behind a rock.  Most decent flyfishers just don’t flail away at the water in front of them but have a specific target in mind.   The best advice is to make sure that the person sees you.  When I encounter someone floating down the river while I’m flyfishing I’ll usually just stop casting and then motion them behind me and then say thanks as they pass for begin considerate. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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RE: Fly Fishermen & Paddlers—-         Here in the NY/NJ area, it’s been our habit to try to pass behind the fisherman if possible, or at the very least not to cut him off from shore.         We do try to be quiet, as part of the fishing experience is the solitude.  I often ask how things are, though, and maybe pass on what we’d seen upstream.         I am no longer concerned about disturbing their fishing opportunities, since I’ve had 3 fishermen get a trout from under my canoe!  If we talk with fishermen, we often find that their catching improves after we arrive or pass through.  Evidently we stir up enough bottom food to liven things up.         In short, stay polite, respect their privacy, & pass through as soon as you can.         –Joe P.

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  (?)

Best is if they are in the same boat.  Nothing is better than an experienced paddler to tend a canoe while you fish, to keep you "in the bucket" above steelhead holes or move the canoe at the same rate as your line and fly for a perfect drift. But, that’s not what you’re fishing for. When I am fishing and canoes approach, I always like it if the paddler holds out of my casting range until I graciously stop my cast and motion for them to move through. I direct them behind or close to me so there is no chance for them to upset fish I am working. If the current is such that they cannot stop, it is in my best interest to understand where they’re headed and allow for this.  In general I have a lot more control mf myself and my line than most canoeists of their boats. I would not expect a canoeist to alter their course in a difficult river to avoid the water I am fishing anymore than I expect privacy in a popular destination.  My experience is that fish spooked by canoes usually resume feeding in minutes. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Just a thought that myself and others were having.  What is the best solution for Paddlers and Flyfishers to co-exist.  Should a paddler proceed close to a fisher as to not spook trout or other species on the other side of whatever body of water or should they proceed as far away from the casting path as possible.  What are the opinions of others out there?  This is just a question to better inform myself and any others that might be concerned about the issue.

Richard,        Intresting question, but I flyfish out of my canoe and enjoy the best of both worlds.                         Steve

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Many moons ago, on the AuSable in Michigan, there was a massive canoe hatch during the day.  All of my buddies cast deprecating remarks and retreated to there various campsites to commune with Jim or Jack (Beam or Daniels).  As an innocent just learning to fish for trout, I didn’t know that this was bad for fishing, so I just waved at the people as they went past and cast behind them. I found that this was the ONLY time I was able to catch fish.  Apparently the paddlers stirred up the nymphs which stirred up the fish which saw my fly and made me look good.   I probably caught more fish than the rest of the group combined on that trip. However, by the time I would get back to camp, Jim & Jack had their effects on my buddies, so I kept my little technique to myself.   I still don’t mind canoe hatches.  I have only had one incident where the paddlers tried unsuccessfully to avoid me due to lack of paddling ability and too much beer (mainly the latter).  I simply grabbed the gunwale of the canoe to steer them past me.  Unfortunately I grabbed it too hard and pushed the wrong way and the unfortunate drunks had a cold wet sobering up party.  I also decided that was an excellent time to leave the river and hunt another spot to fish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best advice is to make sure that the person sees you.  When I encounter someone floating down the river while I’m flyfishing I’ll usually just stop casting and then motion them behind me and then say thanks as they pass for begin considerate. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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I just ran the Big Hole in Montana and spent another day wading while fly fishing so I got a chance to see both sides.  As you might expect, one technique doesn’t fit all situations.  Always stay quiet and aviod splashing.  When possible and you can tell which way they are casting, go behind the person fishing.  Obviously this only works if they are far enough from the bank to leave room to navagate.  I don’t know if going right next to them works too well.  Most casters who aren’t experts can’t cast that far any you run the risk of interfering with their line or worse, hitting them with the boat or an oar.  Best to simply try to avoid going right owver their hole and stay away from them.  Better yet, this sounds like a good opportunity to strike up a conversation with a real fisherman (or woman) on the river.  For the record, approximatly 10 boats passed me (most professionally guided) and all went quietly and courteously behind me.   JDDRio (Dan Dunlap)                                                       "…the recklessness of water…"   REM

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1st week of June can be tough. Around Ennis you can hit the Madison, (but it will, probably be roiled from run-off) the Ruby and the Big Hole (it’s a haul from  Ennis but generally always fishable). Big Hole is best fished while floating. Or, you can go into the park and fish the Firehole and the Gibbons. Prince nymphs in the morning and Mothers Day Caddis in the afternoon. Best fishing is from 3pm to dark. Tight Lines! pdp

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A friend and I are planning a week of flyfishing in Montana June 3 – June 10.   I know it’s not the best time but you takes what you can get.  We do not have any specific itinerary but were planning to spend some time around Ennis, and some around two rivers. Anybody have any specific recommendations for that time?  Any specific flies?   I have heard that San Juan worms are a must if the water is up. Anyway, I would appreciate any suggestions. Bill Feinberg

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I’ve read that nylon pantyhose makes a great shuck imitation.   -Clyde

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I’ve read that nylon pantyhose makes a great shuck imitation.  

And, its great fun to watch them get taken off!

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I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a

Check Gary LaFoine’s book "The Dry Fly", in it he has a pattern called the Buzz Ball that is suppose to imitated a midge cluster on the surface like one would see on some back water on the San Juan or similar river. good luck Mark Powers Boston

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I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface (shuck may be in the film). Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type?

I am wondering if a double tippet could be made to the midge a few inches from the shuck?   Put a hook in both if the trout cannot make up its mind.  Be interesting to see if the shuck or the midge get hit on most often. here a change to come up with a new pattern.  And we wonder where did they all come from.  :-)   Happy new year!

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The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those

 few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck… I use your typical Griffith’s Gnat tied w/ a small plume of grey CDC feathers as a tail to imitate the trailing shuck.

Yours virtually, Gary W. Godden Denver, Colorado

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface (shuck may be in the film). Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type? I am wondering if a double tippet could be made to the midge a few inches from the shuck?   Put a hook in both if the trout cannot make up its mind.  Be interesting to see if the shuck or the midge get hit on most often. here a change to come up with a new pattern.  And we wonder where did they all come from.  :-)   Happy new year!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Out here in Colorado we use something called a Stuck-In -Shuck midge.  It’s a good slow-water fly on the South Platte where winter trout seem to sometimes prefer emerging midges over full adults. The dressing is simple.  The tail, or "shuck" is a few strands of brown antron, or Z-lon. the body is thread, or peacock.  A few strands of white antron, Z-lon, or poly are tied in at the butt, and pulled over the body. This should be a little on the loose side, creating a kind of bubble.  Some people put a couple wraps of grizzly hackle, trimmed top, and bottom in front for better floatation.  This fly should be dressed to let the fly float in the film. I don’t know who dreamt this fly up, but I think it’s a pretty good one! Chaz — Chaz Clover Fly Tier, Fly Design, Riverkeeper.

I fish the tiny spring creeks in WI and the best surface/film pattern that I have tried is nothing radical: Griffith’s Gnat. I tie it on a size 22 wide gap 1XF hook. Peacock Body (short flue, taken from near the butt rather than the eye) and Top Quality (Hoffman) Grizzly also short (no longer than to point). Fished on 6X tippet with silicon paste applied on 3 inches about 6 inches from the fly. this: a. keeps it on top, b. if you position yourself just right it acts a an indicator, and c. allows the fly to move naturally. I don’t apply floatant to the fly as it makes it ride too high causing for short hits. Quarter it upstream and dead drift. Good Luck.

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: I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my : pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even : semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a : pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry : on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment : of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface : (shuck may be in the film). : Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type? I do quite a bit of midge fishing, especially late in the season as it gets colder.  I’ve found that a #26 or 28 works very well for the large (but oh so rare) browns here in VT.  I don’t use a trailing shuck pattern, however.  I use a simple black or red thread body (no tail) with a grizzly, black, or cream hackle.  The red body is easy to spot, and it seems to work!  I rarely get refused with this pattern, and it’s very simple to tie.  In addition, it feeds my growing opinion that the presentation is (slightly?) more important than the fly choice (please, no flame wars on this one, both are important!)   I don’t usually fish this one blind, and not at long distances (usually about 20-25′).  I find that 7 or 8X tippets make sense, as well as a challenge for a big fish. Hans

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I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface (shuck may be in the film). Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type?

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Out here in Colorado we use something called a Stuck-In -Shuck midge.  It’s a good slow-water fly on the South Platte where winter trout seem to sometimes prefer emerging midges over full adults. The dressing is simple.  The tail, or "shuck" is a few strands of brown antron, or Z-lon. the body is thread, or peacock.  A few strands of white antron, Z-lon, or poly are tied in at the butt, and pulled over the body. This should be a little on the loose side, creating a kind of bubble.  Some people put a couple wraps of grizzly hackle, trimmed top, and bottom in front for better floatation.  This fly should be dressed to let the fly float in the film. I don’t know who dreamt this fly up, but I think it’s a pretty good one! Chaz — Chaz Clover Fly Tier, Fly Design, Riverkeeper.

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