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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

FWIW, if I were you I would consider hiring a guide for a day or two. Your trout equipment is going to be unsuitable in the salt due to salt water corrosion problems. In addition it is not uncommon to hook fish that run a long way, and without sufficient backing, you are likely to lose a fly line as well as ruin a reel.  A guide will help you with your casting which probably is going to be in windy conditions. Casting is much different in salt water conditions. I have no monetary connections with guides, but some of the best money I have ever spent was for guides when I was visiting in unfamiliar places and fishing unknown waters. Give ROFF a report when you get back.

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Try contacting Gordon Churchill, a local guide in that area at http://www.geocities.com/capt_gordon/ .  He’s a good fellow and has always provided good information whether you hire him or not.   Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

http://www.google.de/search?q=NC+Cedar+Banks+fishing&hl=de&meta= Turned up over five thousand hits.  Must be at least a few with exactly the info you want. TL MC

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Purely out of curiosity, I checked a few, sounds pretty good. http://www.coastalguide.com/packet/fishing01.htm http://www.icw-net.com/fish.htm http://www.outerbanks.com/fishing/fishcal.htm http://www.ufish.com/regions/_nc.htm#COASTAL These were all from the first hit. Wish I was going with you. TL MC

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Thank you everyone for the replies. I E-mailed Capt. Churchill and am going to give serious thought to hiring him. Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try contacting Gordon Churchill, a local guide in that area at http://www.geocities.com/capt_gordon/ .  He’s a good fellow and has always provided good information whether you hire him or not.   Tom I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I wanna be the "second person." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  - $49/ night first person + $9/night for second person

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Do come. I need to meet the bozo who’s ruining my good name…  <G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bellows Get to Bainbridge and Ill drive the rest of the way. My Caravan can carry lots of gear and people. Dave i’ll check my schedule to see if i can make it, although you really couldn’t have picked someplace further from my house in washington state <G.  let us know what dates you decide on and then i can make a decision. cb

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Do come. I need to meet the bozo who’s ruining my good name…  <G

hey… i’ll be there for the 16th and 17th. chris

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Bob 11/16-21 time frame looks good to me as do your ideas for rolling tour/fishing.  Dean Brown and Keith Stonebraker sound like great additions, . . . hell we probably could make this a "for credit" offering at ROFF University. For anyone considering this miniclave . . . The cast of characters is shaping up as classic.  The Willowa/Blue Mountain areas are very special. The Grande Ronde offers a realistic shot at a steelhead. This was birthplace of the Apaloosa and the citadel of the best calvery the world has ever known, Chief Joseph’s Nez Pierce homeland. This is an incredibly beautiful part of the old West. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So far, Dave Snedeker, JR, and Scott Bellows have at least tentavely committed. George Brown(Dean Emeritus of OSU College of Forestry), who I owe a steelhead trip, has said he is available to participate Nov. 2&3 and during the period Nov.14-21.  I would like to take the opportunity to have him as an added forestry education resource, so would like to plan the shindig around his availability.  I personally prefer sometime in the 11/16-21 time frame.  Keith Stonebraker, who was called by Trey Combs( in one of his classic books on steelhead flyfishing & flies) the pioneer of floating line steelheading on the Clearwater & Snake Rivers, has said he would like to join the festivities.  Keith is also a past commissioner of the Idaho Dept of Fish & Game, and one of the finest flycasters it has been my priviledge to observe.

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I know that I said that the dates would be set based on what the majority of those who had committed before10/23 desired, but I can see that waiting that long won’t work, as I have been underwhelmed by independant input.  People need something relatively firm to shoot for.  Thus I am proposing the following: 11/16 – meet just prior to noon in La Grande, introductions & grab a quick bite, start forestry tour heading towards Enterprise.  Dinner & overnight in Enterprise. 11/17 – resume tour after breakfast arrive in Troy early afternoon,  eat & check in then commence fishing. 11/18, 19 or till whenever people want to go home – catching summer steelhead. I will stick with that unless that won’t work for the majority of those who want to attend. Please get me your committment and accomodation needs ASAP so I can start setting it up & be sure of getting accomodations.  Email me at flies, etc. for Grande Ronde summer runs, or if you need my phone# and/or snail mail address for making arrangements  . Bob Weinberger

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This mini clave/forestry tour is shaping up as a winner. The rivers in the area are first rate and look to be in reasonable condition. My offer for a lift from the Seattle area to the Clave is still open. I know there are some lurkers and regs out there who haven’t spoken up yet. If you are a newby you should know that ROFF claves are open to all, and there is no better way to meet other ROFFers. You will find a group of gentleman and see that the political bull goes out the window during claves. If you are new to the Northwest, I can assure you that this clave will intro you to country it took me a decade to connect with.  If you are from out of the PNB, why not consider using up some of those frequent flyer miles and flying into Seattle or Portland for an end of fall Steelhead fandango on the Grand Ronde. Dave

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The Forestry tour/steelhead miniclave is firm for 11/16-19 (or longer for those who wish to stay longer). Those who have indicated that they will attend are: Dave Snedeker J T Russell (JR) Scott Bellows C Bellows (Bellows) George Brown Keith Stonebraker Myself with Chris Fanning (Padishar Creel) a possible. I’m leaving for Elk hunting tomorrow and will be returning NLT the afternoon of 10/29. Upon return I intend to reserve our accomodations.  Please confirm your attendance and get me your needs for accomodations by the time I return ( single or share a room in Enterprise 11/16. single, share a 2 person room, or share a multi person cabin in Troy 11/17-?). So far only JR has sent me the info. I will be sending directions to meeting place etc. to all confirmed attendees when I get back fm elk hunting. Ken Janik, I know that you were interested in a forestry tour & steelhead fishing, but I haven’t heard from you. There’s a great run this year & water conditions remain perfect. Bob Weinberger

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I’m leaving for Elk hunting tomorrow and will be returning NLT the afternoon of 10/29. Upon return I intend to reserve our accomodations.  Please confirm your attendance and get me your needs for accomodations by the time I return ( single or share a room in Enterprise 11/16. single, share a 2 person room, or share a multi person cabin in Troy 11/17-?). So far only JR has sent me the info. I will be sending directions to meeting place etc. to all confirmed attendees when I get back fm elk hunting. Ken Janik, I know that you were interested in a forestry tour & steelhead fishing, but I haven’t heard from you.

Yes, I’m interested, but I most likely won’t know if I can make it until the week of.  Don’t worry about accomodations for me, if I can make it I’ll take care of myself. Thanks,       – Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Hello Bob Yes Im coming. Accomodations 11/16, if someone else would like to share a room Id go with that. Otherwise, a single. ie Im flexible. 11/17-18, like to share the multi person cabin. Thanx Dave

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I have received several requests to conduct a forestry tour (1-2days) and, since I am an avid flyfisherman and this is a flyfishing group, I propose that it be appended to a mini clave.  Dave Snedeker has volunteered to help set it up and proposes that it be aligned with steelheading on the lower Grande Ronde River.  At this point it would have to be in the month of Nov. – any dates except 3-4 days either side of Nov. 11 – son’s wedding. See my post to Dave dated today & titled "re: report on logging national forests" for additional information. I need your preferred dates, locations, accomodation needs and anything you particularly want to see ASAP if you want to participate in such an questions and if you need my phone# and snail mail address for making arrangements. Bob Weinberger

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So far, Dave Snedeker, JR, and Scott Bellows have at least tentavely committed. George Brown(Dean Emeritus of OSU College of Forestry), who I owe a steelhead trip, has said he is available to participate Nov. 2&3 and during the period Nov.14-21.  I would like to take the opportunity to have him as an added forestry education resource, so would like to plan the shindig around his availability.  I personally prefer sometime in the 11/16-21 time frame.  Keith Stonebraker, who was called by Trey Combs( in one of his classic books on steelhead flyfishing & flies) the pioneer of floating line steelheading on the Clearwater & Snake Rivers, has said he would like to join the festivities.  Keith is also a past commissioner of the Idaho Dept of Fish & Game, and one of the finest flycasters it has been my priviledge to observe. I did some checking with the only restaurant & accomodations at Troy, Shilo Inn ( previously owned by the owner of the motel chain of the same name, but bearing no resemblance to any of his motels) – they have 3 rooms (sharing a common bathroom) w/ 2 beds each  above the restaurant – $49/ night first person + $9/night for second person. They also have 3 cabins that hold 4-6 people – example: cabin that holds 5-6, $85/night first person + $9/night for each additional person. There is also a small campground w/ hookups in Troy and several small unimproved (outhouses only) free campgrounds within a mile or two.  The restaurant has a limited bar selection, so I suggest you bring your own favorite libations. ( I, as mini-clavemeister reserve the right to sample all libations brought to determine their appropriateness for such a meeting.) I am leaning toward starting the first day mid-morning from La Grande. Doing a forestry tour while driving towards Wallowa or Enterprise. Overnight in either Wallowa or Enterprise. Continue forestry tour while driving towards Troy.  Arrive in Troy mid-afternoon, check-in, & start fishing. Fish next day or two as desired. That’s just my first cut – anyone with other ideas please speak out. (Note: those needing licenses or steelhead tags – 1 or 3 day license & steelhead tags avail.- will need to get them before heading to Troy.  Those from WA would not need to get an OR out of state license if they don’t want to- the WA border is only 6 mi. below Troy and that also has good water.) The nearest airport to La Grande is Pendleton – an hour away from La Grande, 3.5 hrs from Troy. With enough notice I could get people to & from the airport if needed.  Anyone just interested in the fishing portion could fly into Lewiston/Clarkston & rent a car for the 1-1.5 hr drive to Troy. Please let me know your preferred dates and accomodation needs ASAP so I can start setting it up & be sure of getting accomodations.   I will set it up for the dates the majority, of those committing prior to 10/23, chooses. With the fishing as good as its been and elk hunts going on in adjacent hunt units during the proposed time frame, we’ll need to move quickly to be assured of rooms or cabins. Since this is a short notice mini-clave I am not planning for a raffle, hats or tee shirts,etc. if you need my phone# and/or snail mail address for making arrangements. Bob Weinberger

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So far, Dave Snedeker, JR, and Scott Bellows have at least tentavely committed. George Brown(Dean Emeritus of OSU College of Forestry), who I owe a steelhead trip, has said he is available to participate Nov. 2&3 and during the period Nov.14-21.  I would like to take the opportunity to have him as an added forestry education resource, so would like to plan the shindig around his availability.  I personally prefer sometime in the 11/16-21 time frame.  Keith Stonebraker, who was called by Trey Combs( in one of his classic books on steelhead flyfishing & flies) the pioneer of floating line steelheading on the Clearwater & Snake Rivers, has said he would like to join the festivities.  Keith is also a past commissioner of the Idaho Dept of Fish & Game, and one of the finest flycasters it has been my priviledge to observe.

i’ll check my schedule to see if i can make it, although you really couldn’t have picked someplace further from my house in washington state <G.  let us know what dates you decide on and then i can make a decision. cb

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Bellows Get to Bainbridge and Ill drive the rest of the way. My Caravan can carry lots of gear and people. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ll check my schedule to see if i can make it, although you really couldn’t have picked someplace further from my house in washington state <G.  let us know what dates you decide on and then i can make a decision. cb

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Last fall I had the good fortune of meeting a gentleman at a local craft fair in NH who had a 6′x6′ display of pictures of some amazing size fish that he had caught. I guessed he was a hunter and fisherman of some sort, but it turned out that he was a Bush Pilot for many years, taking people in and out of remote areas in Canada. He had pictures and pictures of 10+ pound brook trout and deer with simply huge racks. I was amazed. He said he had gone where few people ever get a chance to go in a lifetime, and he was bursting with excitement and pride when he told his stories. He had since stopped bush piloting, due to health concerns, but his dream is to once again get back into a plane, or at the very least help some people who need information about adverturing into these remote spots. The amazing pictures he showed me, reminded me of my childhood days when I used to go hiking and fishing in the remote mountain streams of Vermont and catch some wonderful spring brook trout myself. I understood why he was so excited to tell his stories. At the time, my girlfriend and I were putting together a website to sell Vermont products, and even though he is from NH, we agreed to help him promote his book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, through our site. If anyone is interested in Bush Piloting information or perhaps Mr. Laporte’s book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, you can send us an email, or visit our website. The book is accessible through a link on our site’s left sidebar. Mr. Laporte would be glad to share his bush piloting advice as well. Thanks, Rick and Susan Vermonters at heart! http://www.piecesofvermont.com Before you buy.

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Based on the topic, I’m going to share an experience I heard of a bush pilot. A friend and co-worker of mine was born and raised in Alaska.  He has his ASEL certificate and was constantly flying into hard to reach areas to do some serious hunting and fishing.  On one occasion, he landed on a sandbar in a nearly dried up river bed in order to hunt along the waterline.  Well, it so happens that the FAA somehow witnessed him landing there and cited him for not having the proper certificate to fly the model plane.  In other words, because he landed a river bed, the FAA cited him for flying a sea-plane without being certified for airplane, single engine sea.  But, the plane has was flying had wheels and was normally considered a "land plane." (I wish I could remember the actual plane.)  What are your impressions about being cited for operating a plane that you are certified to operate? Remember, it was a "land" plane and he landed on the dried river bed, not the water. — Sometimes opportunity pounds. Open the door; Link Below. http://www.rexall.com/nonprescriptionfortune Independent Business Owner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last fall I had the good fortune of meeting a gentleman at a local craft fair in NH who had a 6′x6′ display of pictures of some amazing size fish that he had caught. I guessed he was a hunter and fisherman of some sort, but it turned out that he was a Bush Pilot for many years, taking people in and out of remote areas in Canada. He had pictures and pictures of 10+ pound brook trout and deer with simply huge racks. I was amazed. He said he had gone where few people ever get a chance to go in a lifetime, and he was bursting with excitement and pride when he told his stories. He had since stopped bush piloting, due to health concerns, but his dream is to once again get back into a plane, or at the very least help some people who need information about adverturing into these remote spots. The amazing pictures he showed me, reminded me of my childhood days when I used to go hiking and fishing in the remote mountain streams of Vermont and catch some wonderful spring brook trout myself. I understood why he was so excited to tell his stories. At the time, my girlfriend and I were putting together a website to sell Vermont products, and even though he is from NH, we agreed to help him promote his book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, through our site. If anyone is interested in Bush Piloting information or perhaps Mr. Laporte’s book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, you can send us an email, or visit our website. The book is accessible through a link on our site’s left sidebar. Mr. Laporte would be glad to share his bush piloting advice as well. Thanks, Rick and Susan Vermonters at heart! http://www.piecesofvermont.com Before you buy.

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He never told me who actually spotted him landing, but Alaska does have alternating regulations on when you can take your game depending on the time of year. For example:  When bear hunting, most of the time after the kill, the hunter must skin, gut, and package the bear meat, but not take it with on the first day.  But, during spawning season, the bears eat so much fish that the meat tastes fishy, so you can take the meat the same day it was killed.  I’ve never hunted in Alaska, so I can’t get more specific than restating stories that my friend has told me. I’ll email him and see if I can get him into this newsgroup. — Sometimes opportunity pounds. Open the door; Link Below. http://www.rexall.com/nonprescriptionfortune Independent Business Owner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re kidding right?  The rating says nothing about where you land, only what equipment you can fly. Now, if it was Fish and Game that watched him and he took game "same day airborne" he could be in "a heap of trouble". — Dale L. Falk Cessna 182A N5912B http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

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You’re kidding right?  The rating says nothing about where you land, only what equipment you can fly. Now, if it was Fish and Game that watched him and he took game "same day airborne" he could be in "a heap of trouble". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Based on the topic, I’m going to share an experience I heard of a bush pilot. A friend and co-worker of mine was born and raised in Alaska.  He has his ASEL certificate and was constantly flying into hard to reach areas to do some serious hunting and fishing.  On one occasion, he landed on a sandbar in a nearly dried up river bed in order to hunt along the waterline.  Well, it so happens that the FAA somehow witnessed him landing there and cited him for not having the proper certificate to fly the model plane.  In other words, because he landed a river bed, the FAA cited him for flying a sea-plane without being certified for airplane, single engine sea.  But, the plane has was flying had wheels and was normally considered a "land plane." (I wish I could remember the actual plane.)  What are your impressions about being cited for operating a plane that you are certified to operate? Remember, it was a "land" plane and he landed on the dried river bed, not the water.

– Dale L. Falk Cessna 182A N5912B http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

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ROFL.  You got it, Bob.  Good advice.  However, you forgot goats, trees, lawyers, and boiled peanuts!  <g

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BASTAARRRDDD!!!

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Boiled Peanuts, what the hell are boiled peanuts??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ROFL.  You got it, Bob.  Good advice.  However, you forgot goats, trees, lawyers, and boiled peanuts!  <g

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Boiled Peanuts, what the hell are boiled peanuts??

Well, not to put too fine a point on it but, they are peanuts that have been boiled.      

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Hello everyone, I have decided to try this thing called Fly fishing.  I live in Northeast Ohio and will be fishing for Smallmouth, Steelhead and a stray Salmon most of the time. I don’t have a small fortune to spend, so I need some input on what I need and what size.     I have been doing some reading on fly fishing and I understand some of the termanology that goes along with it. There is a hell of alot to learn and I don’t even own a rod yet  HELP Thanks Jim Vonderau

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Hello everyone, I have decided to try this thing called Fly fishing.  I live in Northeast Ohio and will be fishing for Smallmouth, Steelhead and a stray Salmon most of the time. I don’t have a small fortune to spend, so I need some input on what I need and what size.     I have been doing some reading on fly fishing and I understand some of the termanology that goes along with it. There is a hell of alot to learn and I don’t even own a rod yet  HELP Thanks Jim Vonderau

Uh, oh… Get ready James… You’ve just called in an artillery strike at your chair!! INCOMING!!! — Michael Era

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I hear Monica Lewinsky is an established "fly" fisher . Geez do I need to go fishing . Rain , rain go away , come back when I have to go to work Monday !!!

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I understand she is a catch and release ‘fly fisher’! — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales!

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I understand she is a catch and release ‘fly fisher’! — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales!

For the most part Bob , although Kenn Starr found a bunch of little fishes in one of her dresses that she took home . But that was probably an isolated incident .

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Bassndood: You and Bob realize that Ken Starr & Linda Tripp are the same person don’t you? See http://members.aol.com/scarien/rockford.htm Cliff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand she is a catch and release ‘fly fisher’! — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales! For the most part Bob , although Kenn Starr found a bunch of little fishes in one of her dresses that she took home . But that was probably an isolated incident .

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I have made a new page about fishing. At this site can you find tips, trics and much more. And now I wanna start about flyfishing. Has someone tips or trics for my page at http://fishingsite.mypage.org You can e-mail me too.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw this post and it reminded me of my dad’s "proud papa" moment.  He took me out flyfishing (he let me hold the rod anyway) when I was about three year of age.  A small Rainbow trout happened to hit the gray hackle yellow body that was being used.  And, I landed my first fish on a fly.  My dad made such a big deal out of it that I just knew that fish was a treasure to be kept.  He could not talk me into releasing it.  So, I took it home with me and much to the chagrin of my mother, dad allowed me to go to bed that night with fish in hand.  I’ve been flyfishing with my dad ever since and he’s now in his 80’s. Barry My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes        i know it is one hell of a judgment call, but i think that the experience related in wes’s post is more important than the life of that single fish.

        somewhere in the acceptance of that concept lies the middle ground for all our discontent that flows from the c&k/c&r confrontations.         a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw this post and it reminded me of my dad’s "proud papa" moment.  He took me out flyfishing (he let me hold the rod anyway) when I was about three year of age.  A small Rainbow trout happened to hit the gray hackle yellow body that was being used.  And, I landed my first fish on a fly.  My dad made such a big deal out of it that I just knew that fish was a treasure to be kept.  He could not talk me into releasing it.  So, I took it home with me and much to the chagrin of my mother, dad allowed me to go to bed that night with fish in hand.  I’ve been flyfishing with my dad ever since and he’s now in his 80’s. Barry      i know it is one hell of a judgment call, but i think that the experience related in wes’s post is more important than the life of that single fish.         somewhere in the acceptance of that concept lies the middle ground for all our discontent that flows from the c&k/c&r confrontations.         a. wayne harrison

Jeeezz, Wayne, let’s not turn the great "Proud Papa" thread into another c&k/c&r debacle.  Mark Faulkner

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says… My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

cool…

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I saw this post and it reminded me of my dad’s "proud papa" moment.  He took me out flyfishing (he let me hold the rod anyway) when I was about three year of age.  A small Rainbow trout happened to hit the gray hackle yellow body that was being used.  And, I landed my first fish on a fly.  My dad made such a big deal out of it that I just knew that fish was a treasure to be kept.  He could not talk me into releasing it.  So, I took it home with me and much to the chagrin of my mother, dad allowed me to go to bed that night with fish in hand.  I’ve been flyfishing with my dad ever since and he’s now in his 80’s. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

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My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

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My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes    that’s great, wes, worm or no worm.  i just hope he didn’t release the fish and eat the bait.

        a. wayne harrison

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My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

Congratulations, and thanks for sharing the momemnt. Mark Faulkner

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Can someone give a beginner where he can try flyfishing on the Mad River. I’ve heard good things about it but have not fished it.

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Best access near the hatchery in Blue Lake. Expect crowds, so fish during the week if possible. Try Black wooly buggers, or dark streamers. Comets might also work. Large fish 7 wt. + rod recommended. For FF fish 3-4 days after rains, as river frequently muddy. If in this area, consider VAn-Duzen river also when open.

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GBloomf405 Anywhere a bridge crosses is public access to the Mad.  Between West Liberty, Ohio (where the best of the fishing starts) and Urbana (where the river becomes too warm to support trout) there are probably 40+ bridges. As long as you are in the stream bed you are ok.  Outside the bed its trespassing.  That’s why the bridges are the surest access.  The Mad does not have a natural population of trout.  It is stocked twice a year by the ODNR.  Most flyfisherman catch and release.  There is very intense fishing on this river by bait and lure throwers.   Chromids, prince nymphs, streamers, crawfish and caddis are reliable. There is not one good place to go.  Buy a State Gazetteer and pick some spots.  I have never found a stretch to deep to wade.  It is sandy bottomed and the current is provided by natural springs.  That’s what makes the something more that you would like to know.  The Orvis dealer in COlumbus, Mad River Outfitters can be of help and he guides the river out of an AuSable boat.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone give a beginner where he can try flyfishing on the Mad River. I’ve heard good things about it but have not fished it.

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Really Recommend calling Mad River Outfitters, in Columbus Ohio of Bethel Road.. Brian, Owner there has written up a book on Flyfishing the Mad, with Access Maps, entymology and the history of the River.  It is a wonderful read, and thouroughly a help.. This is a very tough River to catch fish on, atleast it was for me… Kevin C. Paulson

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 going to the hiawasse Nov 1 for the weekend and would like some info on what to tie up and how the fishing is this time of year? please e mail me thank you, Kent K. Anderson

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 going to the hiawasse

Are you asking about the Hiwassee in southeastern Tennessee? If so, maybe I can give you some info. Dave — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides page http://www.olfart.com

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 going to the hiawasse Nov 1 for the weekend and would like some info on what to tie up and how the fishing is this time of year? please e mail me thank you, Kent K. Anderson

Kent: You might find something on LJ Decuir’s page: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~ldecuir/default.html —Rich

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I am sixteen years old and love to flyfish.  I am pretty sure that this is one sport I will never quit.  I want to invest in a fly rod, and I am leaning toward buying the Henry’s Fork Rocky Mt. version from Orvis.  I usually fish for trout, small smallmouth, and occaisionally panfish.  If anyone has any advice at all  it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance.          LITTLE GONZO –

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Would be an excellent choice. I used to catch carp on that rod using a nymph on hook 10 and a 7lb tippet. A great rod for troutfishing too. The action of that rod is not to fast but still quick enough to punch a big fly in to the wind. The carp i caught was somewhere between 10 and 15 lb . so you see no worry for breaking the rod. My biggest trout was 22" and 3 1/2 lb. lots of success and look no further for a rod.                          tight lines in 1996,                                            Otto Winter

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I am sixteen years old and love to flyfish.  I am pretty sure that this is one sport I will never quit.  I want to invest in a fly rod, and I am leaning toward buying the Henry’s Fork Rocky Mt. version from Orvis.  I usually fish for trout, small smallmouth, and occaisionally panfish.  If anyone has any advice at all  it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance.          LITTLE GONZO

My first fly rod (and so far only fly rod) is a Henry’s Fork with a Battenkill 5/6 Disc reel and a SA Mastery WFF line.  Before I got Hank I used to borrow rods from friends, so I can compare Hank to other rods. The action is slow and comfy.  It is well suited to fishing in "bush tunnel" creeks.  Shorter and rods would be better, but it is nice to have the extra length when I wade deply in larger bodies of water.  I have used Hank to toss #4 streamers to bass and pike.  Longer, stiffer, heavier rods would be better for this, but those rods are useless on small creeks. In other words, the Henry’s Fork is a happy compromise.  By the time I can afford another rod, I hope to have learned to exploit all of Hank’s virtues so that I can better appreciate how the new rod remedies Hanks shortcomings. On the other hand, I do not want to wait that long before buying a new rod!  ;-) — Keep your stick on the ice.

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The Henry’s Fork Rocky Mt version from Orvis is a very good choice – especially since it comes with the 25 yr warranty. For panfish, trout, and smallmouth, a 5 wgt is perfect.

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I would agree. The Henry’s Fork is a great buy in the RM. I personally think that a 6wt give you a wee bit more versitility. There’s a Rocky Mountain 9 ft 6 wt thats a good buy also as well as the HLS RM which is a little bit faster than the Superfine graphite and is about the same price. Chuck Abbott

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Yes, me again!  In addition to the firefighter brother, another brother and my father both fly small planes.  So… I’m looking for designs related to flying, pilots, small planes (like Cessna 172), sea/floatplanes (like deHavilland Beaver or Cessna 172 floatplane), etc.  The more detail the better, but I’d like to hear about *any* design you know of.

I saw a bunch of these at the crosstitch store I now frequent. Also firefighter, fishing, etc. designs you requested in your earlier post.  So rest assured they do exist.  Unfortunately I will not be heading out there in the near future. THe designs ranged from extremely simple (it was a Piper or a Cessna plane — just a stick figure really) to more detailed pictures of fishing and a fireman’s prayer. Check out the latest CS&CC and Just XStitch magazines.  I think I saw the firefighter patterns in there. Lucinda

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: Yes, me again!  In addition to the firefighter brother, : another brother and my father both fly small planes.  So… : I’m looking for designs related to flying, pilots, small : planes (like Cessna 172), sea/floatplanes (like deHavilland : Beaver or Cessna 172 floatplane), etc.  The more detail the : better, but I’d like to hear about *any* design you know of. Barbara, Try A&L Designs, 225 Fair View Street, Pottsville, PA 17901-1719 (717)622-6102 EST Jean Spenser showed me her chart of a Cessna last month and I can attest their designs are good.  Since then I’ve spotted their ads in the magazines with other models shown.  I think you will find what you want here.         Deborah

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another brother and my father both fly small planes.  So… I’m looking for designs related to flying, pilots, small planes (like Cessna 172), sea/floatplanes (like deHavilland Beaver or Cessna 172 floatplane), etc.  The more detail the better, but I’d like to hear about *any* design you know of.

fiance. The chart was only 3.75 or so, and I haven’t tried it yet, but since I can’t find anything else, this will do. Hope this helps! Chris Loria P.S. The folks at Stitchers Source are wonderful!! I highly recommend making purchases from them !

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Yes, me again!  In addition to the firefighter brother, another brother and my father both fly small planes.  So… I’m looking for designs related to flying, pilots, small planes (like Cessna 172), sea/floatplanes (like deHavilland Beaver or Cessna 172 floatplane), etc.  The more detail the better, but I’d like to hear about *any* design you know of. Thanks very much!  …and, as I’m saying in each of my "Looking for…" posts, I will summarize to the newsgroup if I get any email responses. Livermore CA  /  Weather always looks worse through a window                                 |   Mark & Barbara Laufersweiler  |          What is a weed?                                 |        not been discovered.

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