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These thoughtful posts from Tara are just too good to allow to fade from usenet. Since Tara set them not to be archived, I’ve copied them here to protect them for posterity. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 73 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.237.31 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023508397 209.226.237.31 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:53:17 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news- out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onv oy.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.c om!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143809 rec.backcountry:254050 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328244 alt.wolves:135493 atl1.usenetserver.com) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :)

Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?  Nah, you don’t. Your attitude, both sides, is why we have the mess we do.  This is why this world, it’s politics and it’s results are, and continue to be a mess   This is not the way to clean it up or change it. It’s only a way to perpetuate it. I sit back and look at this and I see that Tom, at least has a cause, a purpose and we need that. We need crusaders. But when it becomes a matter of oneupmanship or one of school yard childishness, there is no hope of change. What to do?  Has anyone ever known what to to. I sometimes think it’s simply going to be a struggle forever.   In the history of the world the only ones who have truly changed anything are those who have always been unwilling to resort to the tactics I see here. You, all of you are the grain of sand that is the universe. What kind of universe do you want it to be. Tara Just my 2 cents. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 112 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.65.191 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023515054 216.208.65.191 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 01:44:14 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!btnet- peer1!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn !webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.b ellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143811 rec.backcountry:254061 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328261 alt.wolves:135495 atl1.usenetserver.com) Tom is not a crusader, he’s a nuisance. I’m sure that you also welcome into your home every person that has a religous message to share. And isn’t that the ultimate crusade?

Ahhh, Jeff, notice how you searched for and of course, found the one thing you could find to perpetuate and continue the madness. And also notice (you won’t, however), how you brought it into a new twist to perpetuate the argument.  But, I’m not arguing, and I will not continue (no matter what idiotic responses come from what I’ve said) to post here anymore on this topic. Tara Bye buy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :) Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?   Nah, you

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Dang!  You know, I think she’s right.

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Yeah, she may be right, but in the end, isn’t her responding to them just more of the same?  And isn’t my response to her responding to them just more of the same? …Whoa, too much thinking makes Kurt’s head spin.  I’m going to go sit down now.

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Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

You can try these; http://www.mikeladle.com/tackle/tackle3.html http://globalflyfisher.com/global/denmark/species/mullet.html http://www.hartflyfishing.demon.co.uk/mullet_fishing.html TL MC

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I had this strange vision of you casting for Randy Johnson… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

– Jeff, TASCAM Guy:  "Dude, you’re on rec.audio.pro…everyone hates everything."

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Try this http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2C4323F I caught a mullet back in February and hooked several more but could not land them.  I was using 8 lb tippet.  The one I caught was 5 lbs (2.3 kg) and most of the fish that I saw were about the same size.  I was fishing in heavy surf and the fish were using the waves to their advantage.  The fish I managed to land made 15 runs before I finally dragged it onto shore with the help of a big wave.  It is not typical to catch mullet using any sort of means around this area.  However, on that particular day they were actively chasing a school of smelt.  There are many species of small fish that are called smelt so I am quite sure that smelt that you might be familiar with are not the same fish.  However, mullet is a mullet.  Some mullet species are larger than others but all of them (in the literature that I have seen) are closely related.  Although the smelt were silvery and typically 5 inches long, the mullet definitely seemed to like a small brownish fly.  My friend hooked one on a brown marabou fly but the fish broke off.  He couldn’t hook any more after that and he had no more brown flies.  I kept hooking and losing fish so finally I offered him one of my flies (which was a combination of burnt-orange llama and black & red squirrel tail).  So the color definitely seemed to be the trigger (as both of our flies were tied with similar materials and similar styles).  It may be that this color closely imitates the color of seaweed in this area. Even though the mullet were chasing baitfish, I think that a kelp imitation was able to trigger a response while they were in a mood to actively feed.  Good luck. Mu

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http://anglersnet.co.uk/images/articles/leon24.jpg Just to whet your appetite! TL MC

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Having just(moved here and) gotten into flyfishing, I was wondering if I could only buy 10 flies—which ones (size,color?)would YOU have to have to in your vest? Thanks, Amelia

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Having just(moved here and) gotten into flyfishing, I was wondering if I could only buy 10 flies—which ones (size,color?)would YOU have to have to in your vest? Thanks, Amelia

I hardly ever use anything other than a parachute Adams, a Royal Wulff or a Yellow Humpy in sizes 14, 16 and 18. I’m a dry fly purist so I’ll defer to Wayno to give you the benefit of his experience with the nymphs of the Blue Ridge. — Ken Fortenberry- pun most definitely intended

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Having just(moved here and) gotten into flyfishing, I was wondering if I could only buy 10 flies—which ones (size,color?)would YOU have to have to in your vest? Thanks, Amelia

I would buy 9  size 10 foam yellow humpies  and one size 24  gray midge.  As a beginner you will probably loose the humpies in the trees but at least you will be able to  see them when you hit the stream. I would get the midge to amaze my friends when they ask about flies and also to amaze yourself by realizing   that  advanced fishing is difficult. Guess I am at level two in fly fishing and hope this is the year I begin to catch a few fish. Indian Joe

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Having just(moved here and) gotten into flyfishing, I was wondering if I could only buy 10 flies—which ones (size,color?)would YOU have to have to in your vest? Thanks, Amelia

    mr. fortenberry, in his characteristically humble and helpful fashion, has pointed you in the right direction with regard to dry flies, although i must say that after mid may, my preference for top water flies would be kaufmann’s "stimulators" in sizes 10 (hopper imitation), 14 and 16 (caddis/stonefly) and in yellow, lime, and royal colors.     i have never used a nymph in my life, so i can’t help you with such things. wayno (ok, ok, here’s the deal on the nymphs:  prince; red squirrel; size 10, 14.) and, for down home personal service, and even more expertise, contact walt winter at ezflyfish.com.  he is a fellow roffian, guide, and blower of smoke.

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I’ve noticed that yellow seems to be favored in dry flies by fishermen in the Blue Ridge.  Yellow Humpies, yellow/orange stimulators, Harry Murray’s Mr. Rapidan (yellow wings and yellow mixed into the dubbing), Walt’s Yallahammer, etc.

        well, that’s certainly true for early may through early october.  but i have *always* done better from march through early may on adams or royal wulff patterns.  ernie shweibert (one of my dearest friend, have i ever told you the absolutely intriguing story of how we first met?) would call it a sulphur thang, i reckon. wayno

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 ernie shweibert (one of my dearest friend, have i ever told you the absolutely intriguing story of how we first met?)

No, but if you don’t tell me every detail next time we meet, I’ll be angry.

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Point 1: you have my sympathy. This hobby will soon turn into an obsession Point 2: You’ve received some great advice from some real experts. They know what they are talking about, hard as that may be to believe! (this is as of 7:30 p.m. CT on Monday; I dunno what else you might hear! Be careful.) Point 3: My advice (worth exactly what it costs): go to the local walmart store and buy some of their cheap flies; take them with your gear to the nearest stocked water, and practice, practice, practice. Then as you improve your presentation skills and develop the desire for more of a challenge, get some of the flies that’ve been previously recommended and search out some more challenging water. Ezflyfish.com seems to me like a great source. Point 4: find some great folks to fish with who will help get you out on those cold rainy days when, without encouragement, you’d end up couch-potatoing in front of the TV. Bob Patton

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[snip] and, for down home personal service, and even more expertise, contact walt winter at ezflyfish.com.  he is a fellow roffian, guide, and blower of smoke.

Just don’t accept any yellow humpies from him.  <BSEG they tend not to have points – ask Mr. Fortenberry I’ve only been able to fish NC once but did OK on Royal Wulffs, Royal Coachman, and Irrestistibles.  Of course, I also caught some on streamers. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Having just(moved here and) gotten into flyfishing, I was wondering if I could only buy 10 flies—which ones (size,color?)would YOU have to have to in your vest? Thanks, Amelia

Amelia, The aforementioned flies by the most distinguished roffians are excellent suggestions…. I’ll humbly add my .02 worth…. Adams Parachute size 12 Adams Parachute size 14 Adams Parachute size 16 Adams Parachute size 18 Yellow Humpy size 12 Yellow Humpy size 14 Yellow Humpy size 16 Orange Stimulator size 12 Orange Stimulator size 14 Orange Stimulator size 16 if one of peculiar tastes was to expand their horizons….. Orange Ausable Wulff (brookies love ‘em) March Browns…… especially in March! BWO’s yellowthangy parachute Tan or grey elk hair caddis Sulphurs…. all styles anything with yellow. anything with orange. small wet flies dropped behind a stimulator…… (i caught way too many fish yesterday using a yellahammer dropper) for bottom dwellers, the following nymphs are standard fare…. beadhead princes, hare’s ear, pheasant tails….. for big brown trout….. big olive wooly buggers. for selective trout….. size 20-24 cdc emergers or griffiths gnats. hope this helps…. Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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Point 1: you have my sympathy. This hobby will soon turn into an obsession Point 2: You’ve received some great advice from some real experts.

Hey, I thought my advice was great too.

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Having just(moved here and) gotten into flyfishing, I was wondering if I could only buy 10 flies—which ones (size,color?)would YOU have to have to in your vest?

I don’t think you need 10 patterns.  Pick the flies based on the water type. In western NC that means basically freestone mountain streams that are relatively infertile.  That means a lot of pocket water and opportunistic rather than selective trout .  So use something that stays afloat (if it’s a dry fly) and the fish can see in the broken water.  So use a #12 Parachute Adams or #14 Humpy and save the #18 No-hackle BWO and #22 Griffith’s Gnat for the tailwaters and spring creeks.  Go a little bigger and/or a little fuzzier and/or a little more flash.  A #14 beadhead Hare’s Ear nymph instead of a #18 Pheasant Tail.  Any searching pattern will catch fish, since there are no bigtime haches that the trout get real selective to in most waters (there might be exceptions, such as midges on the Davidson).  A Parachute Adams is more or less a mayfly imitation, but on infertile waters the fish take it as a gray Thingamajiggy that fell out of a tree for all I know. I’ve noticed that yellow seems to be favored in dry flies by fishermen in the Blue Ridge.  Yellow Humpies, yellow/orange stimulators, Harry Murray’s Mr. Rapidan (yellow wings and yellow mixed into the dubbing), Walt’s Yallahammer, etc.

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Maybe people from this area (Baltimore- Washington Corridor) could hook up for lunch, scope out some things together or just appreciate how plain stupid we probably look to one another.  Not that there’s really anything wrong with being ugly, I feel proud  that I am actually very good at practicing and exhibiting ugliness, it doesn’t take a lot of work ya know. Hell, if we were to hook up as a small clave of complete mullethead wearing, scudge head looking, biscuit head toting boneheads we just might be able to take over the place and buy some fine tackle.  I am sure the hucksters would gladly hook-up a collective group of biscuit head Roffians with good prices and great deals,  just to see us move away from their booth in a hurry. Having never visited the show before I have every intention of dragging this big ass unsightly looking numbnut over to the extravaganza in hope of meeting some other butt ugly Roffian brothers and see some way cool stuff and demos.  Who knows, even a non repugnant ugster like myself could grab some free FF lessons and/or instructions. Anybody interested at meeting one another at the show please post to the group or e-mail me, maybe someone who have been there before could indicate a good place to meet, at least for an introduction.  Keep in mind the uglier the better, attractive people need not apply. On the more serious side, if anybody is interest in car pooling from Columbia, MD, please give me a shout.  I’ll be glad to drive as long as my Jeep is out of the shop. Your One and Only Supreme Cheesehead. Tony Norton

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Tony;    Got a bunch of us meeting at the front desk at noon on Saturday. Just look for the naked guys wearing pink or red carnations swilling Glen Livet from the bottle (anti-freeze doncha know).             Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe people from this area (Baltimore- Washington Corridor) could hook up for lunch, scope out some things together or just appreciate how plain stupid we probably look to one another.  Not that there’s really anything wrong with being ugly, I feel proud  that I am actually very good at practicing and exhibiting ugliness, it doesn’t take a lot of work ya know. Hell, if we were to hook up as a small clave of complete mullethead wearing, scudge head looking, biscuit head toting boneheads we just might be able to take over the place and buy some fine tackle.  I am sure the hucksters would gladly hook-up a collective group of biscuit head Roffians with good prices and great deals,  just to see us move away from their booth in a hurry. Having never visited the show before I have every intention of dragging this big ass unsightly looking numbnut over to the extravaganza in hope of meeting some other butt ugly Roffian brothers and see some way cool stuff and demos.  Who knows, even a non repugnant ugster like myself could grab some free FF lessons and/or instructions. Anybody interested at meeting one another at the show please post to the group or e-mail me, maybe someone who have been there before could indicate a good place to meet, at least for an introduction.  Keep in mind the uglier the better, attractive people need not apply. On the more serious side, if anybody is interest in car pooling from Columbia, MD, please give me a shout.  I’ll be glad to drive as long as my Jeep is out of the shop. Your One and Only Supreme Cheesehead. Tony Norton

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Tony;    Got a bunch of us meeting at the front desk at noon on Saturday. Just look for the naked guys wearing pink or red carnations swilling Glen Livet from the bottle (anti-freeze doncha know).             Frank Reid

HEY FRANK!  I just figured out HOW to hold that carnation!!!! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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Tony;    Got a bunch of us meeting at the front desk at noon on Saturday. Just look for the naked guys wearing pink or red carnations swilling Glen Livet from the bottle (anti-freeze doncha know).             Frank Reid HEY FRANK!  I just figured out HOW to hold that carnation!!!! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

ROFLMAO!  Somebody, anybody, have a video rolling when the carnation wielders arrive. If it’s drooping, does it mean it needs water? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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ROFLMAO!  Somebody, anybody, have a video rolling when the carnation wielders arrive. If it’s drooping, does it mean it needs water? Peter

GAAAWWWWD PETER!! You want pictures of the STRANGEST things! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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So, Tony, after that last bit of visual cueing (god, I’ll need extensive therapy just to cleanse my brain, or a 4 pack of McAffrey’s), do you still want to meet with this bunch?           Frank Drink early, drink often. ROFLMAO!  Somebody, anybody, have a video rolling when the carnation wielders arrive. If it’s drooping, does it mean it needs water? Peter GAAAWWWWD PETER!! You want pictures of the STRANGEST things! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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I’ll be there Saturday.  I’ll look for the ones wearing a "ROFF" sign around their neck about noon.  I’ll be the decrepit old coot wearing a non-fly fishing white baseball cap that has a small red, white and blue logo that says "owners day 2000" on the front.  If you don’t like what you see make believe that you never heard of ROFF Lou

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Pink carnations!  We all need pink carnations.  The wiff promised to get some at work so I’ll pass them out (before I pass out).             Frank I’ll be there Saturday.  I’ll look for the ones wearing a "ROFF" sign around their neck about noon.  I’ll be the decrepit old coot wearing a non- fly fishing white baseball cap that has a small red, white and blue logo that says "owners day 2000" on the front.  If you don’t like what you see make believe that you never heard of ROFF Lou

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"Frank Reid" wrote Pink carnations!  We all need pink carnations.

   And pick-up trucks!           Charlie, feeling a little out of luck.

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Maybe people from this area (Baltimore- Washington Corridor) could hook up for lunch, scope out some things together or just appreciate how plain stupid we probably look to one another.

SWMBO & I will be there Saturday (I’m still amazed she’s going to do it.) If I can’t find pink carnations, I’ll be wearing a ROFF hat (yeah, and shirt & pants & shoes for you wise guys).   Probably won’t make a whole day of it; but noon Sat. at the entrance table works for me.   Counting spouses, that’s what, seven? Joe F.

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Pink carnations!  We all need pink carnations.  The wiff promised to get some at work so I’ll pass them out (before I pass out).            Frank

I thought the title was A White Sport Coat and Pink Crustaceans. Parrot Head Big Dale

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Well, in Maryland, we all got crabs, so that would be a bit outre.  We should do crab samiches for lunch.      Frank I thought the title was A White Sport Coat and Pink Crustaceans. Parrot Head Big Dale

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Big Dale, Dianna and I were at one of his concerts last summer and had a blast.  Parrot Heads and fins everywhere!!! — Wayne wasting away in margaritaville To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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I will be on Amelia Island and have some opportunity to fish on Dec3-5, 2000.  Any information on the fishing there at that time will be appreciated.  I could fish on my own or with a guide, if anyone has suggestions.  Thanks for the help. Steve

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Hi Steve, Any questions you might have regarding Fly fishing  in Florida can be answered by one of our Florida Fly Fishing Professionals. Call toll free 1-877-505-8585 or contact us thru our website http://www.totalfishingadventures.com

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I just saw this TERRIBLE bumper sticker on the back of a pickup:         It’s Not How Deep You Fish         It’s How You Wiggle Your Worm Ain’t that sad? And theres another just like it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/moffet/bsotd.htm

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I just saw this TERRIBLE bumper sticker on the back of a pickup:         It’s Not How Deep You Fish         It’s How You Wiggle Your Worm Ain’t that sad? And theres another just like it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/moffet/bsotd.htm

Somehow I don’t think that’s REALLY related to fishing… Saw a GREAT bumper sticker today myself… wanna send one to all the PETApeople: "I LOVE ANIMALS!      They’re delicious!" — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |   Fairfield, OH 45018  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |  New Dimensions In Filk!

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I live with fear and danger every day. Sometimes I take her flyfishing. TimW

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I just saw this TERRIBLE bumper sticker on the back of a pickup:         It’s Not How Deep You Fish         It’s How You Wiggle Your Worm Ain’t that sad? And theres another just like it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/moffet/bsotd.htm Somehow I don’t think that’s REALLY related to fishing… Saw a GREAT bumper sticker today myself… wanna send one to all the PETApeople: "I LOVE ANIMALS!      They’re delicious!" —

Saw one myself: I’m not a vegetarian because I love animals…I just HATE plants.

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If it’s tourist season, how come I can’t shoot one? Charley

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My friend Larry, with whom I’ve been fishing since early high school (circa 1969) called me the other day…. Larry: "Did you hear the Michigan Militia declared a no-fly zone North of Saginaw?" Me: "Oh…?" Larry: "Yeah, it’s worm only." Well, maybe you had to be there. –mike

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I went with the Simms Gore-Tex Micro Fibers.   They’re expensive,  but super comfortable.   I also use them for backpacking with a pair of Tevas.

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I just bought the new Orvis No-Sweat waders and couldn’t be happier.  They are super comfortable and you really don’t sweat.  Very lightweight also, they just fold up and are carried in a little bag that they come with. You can’t beat the guarantee either.  One year and if your waders have a hole for any reason, Orvis will replace them free.  Nobody else offers this.

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Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John

Just got Orvis stocking hippers and (so far) they’ve been ok (stay away from Fly Tech or other cheap brands).  I use Nike (or similar brand) Aquasocks which are light weight and very functional. hope this helps;  let me know if you hit agood spot in the Sierras–I go up often and am always looking for new places– aaron

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Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John

You might not need any for the small streams.  If you think you do I would William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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After five years of heavy fising I have just retired the lightweight Orvis stocking foot waders.  With some care, ie look out for thorns, branches in the woods, I have gotten a good five years of use.           Also the canvas boots from LLBeans is quite good.  Cheaper than Orvis too.  They cost about $50.  The orvis waders and hippers wore very well.  I am still using the hippers.  Good luck, FHK

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John You might not need any for the small streams.  If you think you do I would William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

William, I am not Bob, am using his browser, he told me to say this because he is embaressed by my question, however,  I am new to this sport. and I want to purchase a good all around pair of waders. What do you recommend.  I see many many different brands.  I don’t want to spend a a lot, but don’t want to get wet either or buy a new pair next year when I learn more.  Your recommendations are appreciated!!!   Thanks Phyllis

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: Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight : waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need : waders that are very light yet durable. Red Ball Supplex waders- superlight and tough. And don’t forget a patch kit –mike

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Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John

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Does any organization or book publish a national or regional list of fishing outfitters (looking for all types, fly, deep sea, etc.)? Thanks in advance for your help. Dennis Galotti

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You will find some outfitters in Outdoors Online, this is a web site located at http://www.wsa.com/ool/ool1home.html… hope this helps FishNews (World of Fishing at www.fishingworld.com)

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I’ve had my best luck on a white popper or slider with rubber band legs. Muddler Minnows and small black dalhberg divers also work well.

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Walmart has a popper made by Arcarro called a "Miss Prissy". It is a killer for almost anything that will strike topwater. As far as rod size, I haven’t seen a smallmouth that you can’t handle with a 5 or 6 weight.

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MY best luck is down lower with a black woolly bugger size 2 to 8, weighted up front with barbell eyes various weights. on top i have good luck with a Betts bull-it-head, black and silver, similar action to a rapala. good luck karl

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I have had over the years success with Orange Wooly Worms, # 8-10. I also had good luck with white poppers that I made out of balsa wood, size 6. The Wooly worm pattern was an interesting story. My family has a cottage on Charleston Lake, in Ontario. I have spent summer vacation time up there since I was a small boy. One hot, windless, sunny, July afternoon I was paddling slowly in a canoe with about 30 feet of fly line hangin out the back. I was catching perch, rock bass, bluegills, etc., when out of the blue a smallmouth leaped out of the water. A second later I realized he was on my line – after about 15 min, I had about a 4 lb smallmouth up to the canoe. Since then, that strategy has worked a few times. Or course, the sunfish keep me busy if nothing else. While I’m on fish stories, the other method that I use to catch small mouth up there is Black, wooden (only have a few left!) Helin Flatfish with orange spots (musky size) fished in pitch black between 12am and 6 am. Night fishing became a requirement since I have little kids. Once they’re in bed, I go out fishing. For surefire smallmouth fishing up there, though, nothing beats jigs. Rick Frank jigs. Rick Frank jigs. Rick Frank jigs. Rick Frank

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    The Green Crystal Bugger is the best underwater bass fly I have ever used. It works so well in the Potomac and James Rivers I almost hesitate to suggest it’s use. .  It is ugly and guady (sp) and until my fishing buddy put one on and demonstrated it a few years ago, I would never have used such a thing but….. maybe I’m not sucha purist after all.  Maybe we can talk about orange poly egg flies on the Madison another day Hmmm..                                           regards   leo

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I have been throwing the fly after smallies for approximately 15 years. It seems that my fishin buddies and I are always having a friendly discussion over which color seems to be the best.  In actuality, it isn’t really a fly that we’re using but a popper!  Any comments as to what fly/popper and what color do you suggest for this treat?  We fish in Ontario, Canada (Lake of the Woods area) from late May thru late June! I would appreciate any and all comments!

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I’ve found screaming green (as neon as you can get) to be a good bet for smallmouth. Failing that, a nice bright yellow or yellow/black band popper does nicely, too. Have you tried any subsurface action on buggers and streamers? JL 8-Wt Editor

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I have been throwing the fly after smallies for approximately 15 years. It seems that my fishin buddies and I are always having a friendly discussion over which color seems to be the best.  In actuality, it isn’t really a fly that we’re using but a popper!  Any comments as to what fly/popper and what color do you suggest for this treat?  We fish in Ontario, Canada (Lake of the Woods area) from late May thru late June! I would appreciate any and all comments!

In the streams of Kentucky a solid yellow popper works as well as any.

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        No suggestion; but I do have a question about your small mouth rod. What weight and lenght of rod do you fish for small mouth bass?                                         Sincerely,                                         Clint Bailey

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I have been throwing the fly after smallies for approximately 15 years. It seems that my fishin buddies and I are always having a friendly discussion over which color seems to be the best.  In actuality, it isn’t really a fly that we’re using but a popper!  Any comments as to what fly/popper and what color do you suggest for this treat?  We fish in Ontario, Canada (Lake of the Woods area) from late May thru late June!

My experience (and books) is that poppers are excellent locators (to make bass show) but poor hookers.  I get most hits on half-inch poppers with #8 hooks but hook fewer than 50%.  Bigger poppers hook more than 50% but attract fewer strikes (from smallmouth in a river).  How does Bug313 compare? (If a bass strikes twice at a popper without a hookup, I usually get it on a Muddler just subsurface.) —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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   No suggestion; but I do have a question about your small mouth rod. What weight and lenght of rod do you fish for small mouth bass?

Line weight 7 to 9, so as to throw heavy poppers or big streamers when you need to;  length 8.5 to 9 feet.  Very few people have the strength to use efficiently a rod longer than 9 feet, i.e. move the tip (and line) as fast as they can with a slightly shorter rod.  It’s tip speed that counts, not mere leverage. —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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Flamebait Alert! I guess I will have to confess.  I sound like that yuppie.  I have been lurking on this group for about a month, listening to opinions about this and that and soaking up alot of info.  I have read a couple of books and took a flyfishing course that was offered at the local university. I haven’t bought a rod yet.  I think that it will be a St. Crois or a Sage.  I am leaning for the Sage.  As a Yuppie it might be status, or it might be that it seems to be a better rod and I liked the feel.  Oh, by the way the people who taught the fly fishing course brought TU info with them.  I sent in my dues.  I will try not to try your patience on the water. GRF

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OK OK OK I will admit it I like using nice equipment, having fitted waders, sized wading boots, and my Kangol hat as much as I like putting on a crisp white shirt and tie.  I enjoy the better things of fly fishing but….. even if I were wearing a Tux in the stream I would not hesitate to dive in after a well tied adams.  A lot of this has to do with having respect for the trout and the stream.  They put on their best for me so I put on my best for them.  Sure I could tie trash bags around my legs,  haul in a case of beer and catch fish with a cane pole but then it wouldn’t be the same for me.  And if I only fished for food I would use chum and a cast net.  If a guy wants to spend a grand on a fly rod I say let him do it.  The important thing is to not look down on those who cannot afford such equipment, to show respect for the other guy in the stream, and to understand that to a trout there is little difference between Simms waders and Hefty bags.   Thank you. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flamebait Alert! I guess I will have to confess.  I sound like that yuppie.  I have been lurking on this group for about a month, listening to opinions about this and that and soaking up alot of info.  I have read a couple of books and took a flyfishing course that was offered at the local university. I haven’t bought a rod yet.  I think that it will be a St. Crois or a Sage.  I am leaning for the Sage.  As a Yuppie it might be status, or it might be that it seems to be a better rod and I liked the feel.  Oh, by the way the people who taught the fly fishing course brought TU info with them.  I sent in my dues.  I will try not to try your patience on the water. GRF

By all means, try their patience – it’s how you learn. And if someone tells you that they didn’t need to try other people’s patience while they were learning, ask them to introduce you to their father, God. — There is no such thing as a dumb question, but there IS such a thing as a dumb answer – I’ve given some.

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