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"Mona" <thehappyw…@myrealbox.com> wrote in message

news:af4vqd$b5noo$10@ID-95032.news.dfncis.de… > <snicker snort> So basically…MS was the gulf war syndrome of WW > II, where passenger pigeons were frequently used.. > — > Laura

LOL  8^) Rob

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"Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message

news:af53n602v6@drn.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <wFiR8.22952$uH2.2…@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Stef > says… > >"Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message > >news:af45gj018ce@drn.newsguy.com… > >> In article <iagR8.22066$uH2….@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Stef > >says… > >> That would make the Queen Charlotte > >> Islands among the greatest MS hotspots on the planet… which I can assure > >you > >> they are not now, nor have they ever been. > >Why would it make Queen Charlotte a hot spot?  Whats the weather like? What > >state is it in even? > You’ve shown your ignorance of so many things in the post to which I’m replying > that I have to just pick one and stick to it… so I’ll pick the one I like to > talk about. > I’ve got news for you, Rob.  Not every place on Earth is in a US State.

I know you arent American. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Queen Charlottte Islands are a Canadian island archipelago in the North > Pacific, centred at 53

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Im looking for any ‘how to tie’ freshwater jigs sites. Any recomendations? Jay Wirth Renaissance Ink Member GPA

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The basic process is very similar to tying streamer flies. Do a search on "fly tying" and have at it. For ideas on patterns, etc. look at local fly fishing shops and copy some of their patterns, or try another search for pre-made jigs to give you some ideas. Hope this helps, John McCabe — How would you like to catch more fish? FREE tip sheet.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im looking for any ‘how to tie’ freshwater jigs sites. Any recomendations? Jay Wirth Renaissance Ink Member GPA

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I recommend Gary LaFontaine’s Fly Fishing the Mountain Lakes. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Most trout lakes have dragon- and damselflies in abundance so nymph imitations of those may possibly work, though warming water will get them more attention. Another possibility would be a callibaetis nymph.

Or streamers if there are some big ones in there. Baitfish and leeches. Very good suggestion on the damsels and dragons, they’re common and a substantial meal compared to a lot of other nymphs. And if someone recommends damsel nymphs or says they’re hot on the lake right now or starting to hatch or whatever, try to retrieve them toward shore because they migrate to shore and then hatch out of the water. Another tip: There’s no way to retrieve too slowly for most insect imitations in a lake. Another tip: If you fish chironomids, try them with a floating line and a very long leader to give a vertical presentation like the natural. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Deb & I are gearing up (literally) for the upcoming season and she really enjoyed fly fishing some of the local lakes.  The reason she enjoyed it so much was that she could really practice her casting, move away from people, and I did all the rowing. What I know about fly fishing lakes would rattle in a thimble.  I purchased a few books on fly fishing lakes and we have been tying up chronomids like crazy. Any you Roffian pros have any pointers for the lake fishing novices?  We hear, thru the local fly shop, that fly fishing has been pretty good at some of the lower elevation (read not frozen) lakes.  What would the trout be likely to be hitting this time of winter?  The fly shop owner thought Wolly Buggers fished on the bottom and slow might do the trick…any others? —– Padishar Creel Going through life in a constant state of confusion.

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In May, I want to try for Ounaniche, using streamers (probably Magog Smelt) at Lac Tremblant. It is my understanding that these fish are deep and my question is this. If I use a Hardy Silex and a Spey-type rod with the streamer on a short 3 – 4ft leader, do I need to add weight to the streamer or weight the tip of the line in order to keep it down? I’m not sure what will happen here as I’ve never trolled a fly in deep water before. Any advice appreciated. Thanks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To help you out a little regarding lake fishing, often your success is best under water.  Lakes that have Cutthroat can offer up some interesting dry fly fishing on occasion.  A miller moth or proper dry fly on the surface can be exciting but fishing them a little different and with more patience can produce heart stopping strikes.  Try letting your fly just sit after it lands upon the water.  The little ‘ring’ is an attraction as it is.  Let it set for fifteen seconds before you twitch the fly or surface film nymph just an inch.  Wait five seconds and do it again. Having full sinking shooting heads and sink tips are a must.  Your leader lengths should be kept short.  Eighteen inches of butt, taper, and tippet each is all you need because you want your streamers to not lag or sag or carry long curves of action under water because they are so far removed from the main line.  A particularly wonderful but simple lake fly on 2X hooks of medium size consists of a small sprig of Marlboro Red hackle tips about a quarter inch long, a peacock herl body with grizzly hackle at the head, pulled back a bit over the body is deadly.  Cast her out and let it sink and then when you’re at the depth you want, use short three inch strips.  This simple fly is a must for those who fish lakes and ponds from tubes. Leach patterns on size 8 – 4 long shank hooks often get instant attention.  Black with Olive Green palmered hackle bodies along with a green marabou tail and variations thereof are an arsenal must.  These are especially deadly on bass.  (Big Bass) Use Chenille for your bodies.  Black bodies, black marabou overwing, olive tail but keep it short and palmered green grizzly hackle bodies can vary by changing to black and brown, believe it or not, etc.  Leach patterns pump and breath and work well in large rivers.  I think often the darker patterns are taken for muddlers at times because these streamers seem to catch bigger fish.  Use a sink product to get these fluffy babies down and working. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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For trolling flies deeply , a sinking line is required. Depth is controlled by the trolling speed, and the length of line out. Rod and reel are immaterial. For deep trolling ,one  may also use a downrigger, with a normal fly-rod, although fly-line is then basically superfluous, and you might just as well use a normal spinning rod and reel.  This is often very successful. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In May, I want to try for Ounaniche, using streamers (probably Magog Smelt) at Lac Tremblant. It is my understanding that these fish are deep and my question is this. If I use a Hardy Silex and a Spey-type rod with the streamer on a short 3 – 4ft leader, do I need to add weight to the streamer or weight the tip of the line in order to keep it down? I’m not sure what will happen here as I’ve never trolled a fly in deep water before. Any advice appreciated. Thanks.

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Sometimes it helps to know what fish species are in there. I know lakes where there are trout but no bass. Pike but no trout. And so on. It depends on who eats who in the food chain. In a lake with no trout but lots of smallmouth bass for example, there were crayfish remains among the shoreline rocks, so I’d use a crayfish lookalike fly and flip it near the shoreline. Not to say you couldn’t use something else but, what the heck…If you know they like hot dogs, give ‘em hot dogs! I like to fish a lake several times to get to know it. The more the better. Sometimes it takes a couple of years and a lot of listening to the local liars club but don’t necessarily believe them. Some of them wear leech patterns as decoys on their hats but their fly box is full of muddlers.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Deb & I are gearing up (literally) for the upcoming season and she really enjoyed fly fishing some of the local lakes.  The reason she enjoyed it so much was that she could really practice her casting, move away from people, and I did all the rowing. What I know about fly fishing lakes would rattle in a thimble.  I purchased a few books on fly fishing lakes and we have been tying up chronomids like crazy. Any you Roffian pros have any pointers for the lake fishing novices?  We hear, thru the local fly shop, that fly fishing has been pretty good at some of the lower elevation (read not frozen) lakes.  What would the trout be likely to be hitting this time of winter?  The fly shop owner thought Wolly Buggers fished on the bottom and slow might do the trick…any others? —– Padishar Creel Going through life in a constant state of confusion.

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Deb & I are gearing up (literally) for the upcoming season and she really enjoyed fly fishing some of the local lakes.  The reason she enjoyed it so much was that she could really practice her casting, move away from people, and I did all the rowing. What I know about fly fishing lakes would rattle in a thimble.  I purchased a few books on fly fishing lakes and we have been tying up chronomids like crazy. Any you Roffian pros have any pointers for the lake fishing novices?  We hear, thru the local fly shop, that fly fishing has been pretty good at some of the lower elevation (read not frozen) lakes.  What would the trout be likely to be hitting this time of winter?  The fly shop owner thought Wolly Buggers fished on the bottom and slow might do the trick…any others? —– Padishar Creel Going through life in a constant state of confusion.

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Hi Chris, I would suggest you read and digest this site, most especially the articles by Brian Chan. http://www.bcadventure.com/adventure/angling/stillwater/index.phtml My own series of articles on chironomids is not finished, although I have been working on them for quite some time, and I will probably not bother with them now anyway, as he says it better. He also covers more techniques, and better than I could. Woolly buggers, and similar things will often work, but careful imitation and tactics will invariably prove more satisfying, and often more successful. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Most trout lakes have dragon- and damselflies in abundance so nymph imitations of those may possibly work, though warming water will get them more attention. Another possibility would be a callibaetis nymph.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Deb & I are gearing up (literally) for the upcoming season and she really enjoyed fly fishing some of the local lakes.  The reason she enjoyed it so much was that she could really practice her casting, move away from people, and I did all the rowing. What I know about fly fishing lakes would rattle in a thimble.  I purchased a few books on fly fishing lakes and we have been tying up chronomids like crazy. Any you Roffian pros have any pointers for the lake fishing novices?  We hear, thru the local fly shop, that fly fishing has been pretty good at some of the lower elevation (read not frozen) lakes.  What would the trout be likely to be hitting this time of winter?  The fly shop owner thought Wolly Buggers fished on the bottom and slow might do the trick…any others? —– Padishar Creel Going through life in a constant state of confusion.

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To help you out a little regarding lake fishing, often your success is best under water.  Lakes that have Cutthroat can offer up some interesting dry fly fishing on occasion.  A miller moth or proper dry fly on the surface can be exciting but fishing them a little different and with more patience can produce heart stopping strikes.  Try letting your fly just sit after it lands upon the water.  The little ‘ring’ is an attraction as it is.  Let it set for fifteen seconds before you twitch the fly or surface film nymph just an inch.  Wait five seconds and do it again. Having full sinking shooting heads and sink tips are a must.  Your leader lengths should be kept short.  Eighteen inches of butt, taper, and tippet each is all you need because you want your streamers to not lag or sag or carry long curves of action under water because they are so far removed from the main line.  A particularly wonderful but simple lake fly on 2X hooks of medium size consists of a small sprig of Marlboro Red hackle tips about a quarter inch long, a peacock herl body with grizzly hackle at the head, pulled back a bit over the body is deadly.  Cast her out and let it sink and then when you’re at the depth you want, use short three inch strips.  This simple fly is a must for those who fish lakes and ponds from tubes. Leach patterns on size 8 – 4 long shank hooks often get instant attention.  Black with Olive Green palmered hackle bodies along with a green marabou tail and variations thereof are an arsenal must.  These are especially deadly on bass.  (Big Bass) Use Chenille for your bodies.  Black bodies, black marabou overwing, olive tail but keep it short and palmered green grizzly hackle bodies can vary by changing to black and brown, believe it or not, etc.  Leach patterns pump and breath and work well in large rivers.  I think often the darker patterns are taken for muddlers at times because these streamers seem to catch bigger fish.  Use a sink product to get these fluffy babies down and working. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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That would sure help explain ROFF…

Even in a parallel universe of one’s own design that would be a very tall order.

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Response # 2 Not really. I profess complete understanding of NADA.

Hey, that’s great Dave!    Can you tell me how much my old ‘84 Isuzu pickup is worth?  :-) Joe F.

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   If it’s your fishing vehicle then it’s priceless.  I wish I still had my old 1970 Datsun pickup.  It had a hundred thousand miles of great fishing memories on the odometer. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you tell me how much my old ‘84 Isuzu pickup is worth?  :-) Joe F.

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  If it’s your fishing vehicle then it’s priceless.  I wish I still had my old 1970 Datsun pickup.  It had a hundred thousand miles of great fishing memories on the odometer.

A truck like this is "priceless" anyway.   It’s too worthless to sell & is basically unsound and unsafe, but to replace it would cost thousands. There’s something great about a vehicle that you don’t have to worry about beating the hell out of.   It got relegated to "farm" use a few years ago. I once carried a round bale of hay in the bed (one of those really big ones).   Damned frame was riding on the axles, the springs having completely given up, and the whole rig was extremely top heavy.  Better than an E-ticket at Disneyland.   Managed to get 42 regular bales piled on it once, too. As it happens, the odometer turned 100K on the way home from a salmon trip a few years back.   Still going strong.   Great truck. Joe F.

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Joe,    My old Datsun pickup had a hellish set of overload springs on it.  I called it Buckshot, because every time you went over a bump it bucked and shot you into the roof. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A truck like this is "priceless" anyway.   It’s too worthless to sell & is basically unsound and unsafe, but to replace it would cost thousands. There’s something great about a vehicle that you don’t have to worry about beating the hell out of.   It got relegated to "farm" use a few years ago. I once carried a round bale of hay in the bed (one of those really big ones).   Damned frame was riding on the axles, the springs having completely given up, and the whole rig was extremely top heavy.  Better than an E-ticket at Disneyland.   Managed to get 42 regular bales piled on it once, too. As it happens, the odometer turned 100K on the way home from a salmon trip a few years back.   Still going strong.   Great truck. Joe F.

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Joe In the words of my favorite musical group . . . A little bit is better than nada Sometimes you want the whole enchilada A little bit is better than nada A little bit,  or nothing at all. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, that’s great Dave!    Can you tell me how much my old ‘84 Isuzu pickup is worth?  :-) Joe F.

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Actually Bob the Ernie Harrison Knot machine is an incredible devise. Im thinking about buying one to burn a new CPU on my old Intell. In my opinion it will do a fab job. And at virtually no cost.

It’s "Intel", Dave. One "l". I’m not a spelling Nazi, but you keep doing this and it’s bugging me. BTW, I hate Intel and I’ve never bought an Intel product. They’ve been a great investment for some, though. If New Mexico wants to subsidize Intel plants that’s none of my beeswax, since I don’t live in New Mexico. If I did, and if I knew the facts, I might oppose it. Call me crazy, but I find that the Pentium chips they make in the stores aren’t up to the ones that I make better thru my exercise of free will and free market gumption. The fact is that anyone can see that the "chips" made in the store cannot possibly have the care and love that I give mine.

I see. Maybe you should market your chips. Along with your special salsa. One thing you will learn from the computer/software contingent on ROFF: Its OK to make it up as you go. So, economics? Make it up. Behavioral science? Make it up. History, geography? make it up. It is not really important to actually study and learn about these disciplines to be able to firmly assert arguable propositions about them.

These issues are far too complex for any simple solutions we might come up with in ROFF. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Take me to your leader ? TL MC

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You know how you always wish you had a third hand when you tied blood knots ?  Ernie just tapes an inflated surgeons glove to his plonker… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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You know how you always wish you had a third hand when you tied blood knots ?  Ernie just tapes an inflated surgeons glove to his plonker…

Doesn

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Daytripper writes: Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids… …showing you did not follow the thread…. Tim wondered about the fate of the Lake Trout(salmonids last I checked) amongst the 30 or so fish reported released.

Actually, I think I followed that thread just fine, thank you. But as long as your digging for worms: your response above shows you’re the one that is reading-impaired: – Jim claimed he caught and released around 30 lakers and walleye. – TBone claimed "With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom." (fwiw, clearly TBone’s unsubstantiable claim pertains to Walleye – not lakers, but I’ll let your error slide). – You chimed in with: " Well, Tim, if one uses the [blah blah blah], we can assume a 70% mortality. That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30" If you’re still missing your mistake: note that Jim’s 30 fish was a MIX of lakers AND walleye. Thus "21 deceased salmonids out of 30" is another example of your comprehension deficits. Respectfully, /daytripper

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Nit2: I have caught many large pike and in my experience they are among the most fragile fish I have ever caught. They have absolutely no stamina, and once beaten, readily go belly up. It takes great effort to revive them, and I have found that they need the most careful handling of any species I have wanted to release.

Exactly my experience. The toothy things have one and only one good run in them and then display all the fighting power and fishing fun of a water soaked log. I caught a 52" pike on a 5wt while fishing for smallmouth bass from a canoe. Damn thing took me into the backing but by the time I hauled his carcass up to the boat he was 99% dead. — Ken Fortenberry

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Jim writes:Lake trout (Salvelinus namaycush) are members of the Char family.

…yes, and as such, like brook trout, are considered salmonids. However, my basic point is not semantics. I wanted to actually point out a study of effects upon released fish. The study dealt with salmonids, but I have a feeling that the hypoxia effects of removing a fish from water for even minute amounts of time is pretty consistent for most fishes. FWIW, if you use a technique whereby the fish is released without lifting from the water, your survival rate should have been much higher. My position on C&R has always been responsible practice,combining good release technique and restraint from overfishing.                           Tom Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Daytripper feels obliged to add: your response above shows you’re the one that is reading-impaired:

let’s see now…Tim commented re:walleye, wondered about Macks(i.e. Lakers to the western types). Then, I responded about salmonid data(i.e Lakers). Where am I reading impaired? It seems some of you folks need to sling mud just to free your heads from your derrieres….. to wit: If you’re still missing your mistake: note that Jim’s 30 fish was a MIX of lakers AND walleye. Thus "21 deceased salmonids out of 30" is another example of your comprehension deficits.

Since I know nothing of the mix on any given day, I speculated on a pure catch, knowing full well that was not the case….thought I made that clear. finally: Respectfully,

sure, Daytripper, respectfully, my ass!                             T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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J Powlesland replies: Who, exactly, the hell do you think you are questioning J. Cook’s assertion that he fished with Tim? Everytime he is asked to prove the claim, he quietly disappears from the thread.

Yes, and your point is?                                    T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Jon Cook writes: Nit1: Char are in the salmonid family. Lake trout are salmonids.

Thanks, Jon,  I was starting to think they had changed things since I got out of grad school, listening to these other folks jumping on me……                          T Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

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Since I know nothing of the mix on any given day, I speculated on a pure catch, knowing full well that was not the case….thought I made that clear.

No, you clearly did not. But I see you tread water with the best of them ;^) Still respectfully (and I know nothing about your ass) /daytripper

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Daytripper writes: Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids…

…showing you did not follow the thread…. Tim wondered about the fate of the Lake Trout(salmonids last I checked) amongst the 30 or so fish reported released.

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Jim writes: However I see little reason why I should make it easy for AR-loons to search my posts.

correct….look how easily you pull up Tim’s somewhat out-of-context AR post. You consistently fail to include the part of the post where he leads up to "That said". BTW, I have had more than one difference of opinion with Tim, yet have generally learned something from most debates with him. That is because he tends to cite factual data, which while open to interpretations different from his, offer a jumping-off point for intelligent discourse. The alternative, of course, is to limit the discussion to the kind of personal assault crap into which you, Jim, have jumped with both feet. Who, exactly, the hell do you think you are questioning J. Cook’s assertion that he fished with Tim? Geez!                                Tom Littleton

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Jim writes: However I see little reason why I should make it easy for AR-loons to search my posts. correct….look how easily you pull up Tim’s somewhat out-of-context AR post. You consistently fail to include the part of the post where he leads up to "That said".

I promised myself that I’d stay out of this but just can’t quite restrain myself.  As much as I tried to fool myself into believing that Tim didn’t actually mean exactly what he wrote, he’s made his position clear many times since then.  He believes that fish have rights and has stated that he would vote for legislative ballots that would establish those rights. Given the situation with AR-loons and fishermen in Germany it should be blatantly obvious the foolishness that results. Whether or not Tim fishes or how he justifies the morality/immorality of the act of fishing matters not to me.  Any purported fisherman who would support AR activists in their campaign to grant fish rights is quite frankly a danger to the future of fishing and I have to question their motives. You’ve got my $0.02 and now I’m outta here,      - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the  initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? Blackwater Lodge – Ireland’s premier salmon fishing lodge – has a vacancy for a chef from July 9th. 5 days per week – evenings only and Sunday lunch. The job is a permanent position as the restaurant is open in the winter season.   Anyone interested please contact Ian Powell – Proprietor Blackwater Lodge Upper Ballyduff Co. Waterford Ireland     Tel: 058 60235    Fax: 058 60162 Website:  http://www.blackwaterlodge.net

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing?

[snip] But of course… Menu Du Peche Breakfast 7:30 in the rod room Bier d’Ice Jerky a Louis Lunch 12:00 Streamside Bier Dinner 30 minutes after blackness du noir Bier d’Ice Jerky a Louis Pattie Du Weinees (or #11 Hamburger with two franks on top) Chips la Bag Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? [snip] But of course…

What is really needed here is someone with an appreciation of fine food, guest care, and staff management.  I could possibly be persuaded to take over the kitchen with the right inducement.  First, a trial. Two weeks at your lodge, you pay airfare from Washington D.C.  You provide the fly rods and flys for off hours entertainment.  I get to hire the Sous Chef from Sweden.  I just must have a tall blond Scandinavian woman under me.  What do the upstairs maids look like? Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I love salmon fishing and I can cook fishing fanatics anyway you want! "Mr" DB Jones ‘Is a fate worse than death better than dying?’ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chef Wanted. Does anyone out there know a chef who is keen on salmon fishing? Blackwater Lodge – Ireland’s premier salmon fishing lodge – has a vacancy for a chef from July 9th. 5 days per week – evenings only and Sunday lunch. The job is a permanent position as the restaurant is open in the winter season. Anyone interested please contact Ian Powell – Proprietor Blackwater Lodge Upper Ballyduff Co. Waterford Ireland     Tel: 058 60235    Fax: 058 60162 Website:  http://www.blackwaterlodge.net

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Speaking of dinner, last night was trout burritos, thanks to Jon Ernst for the idea.

This sounded so good, I looked it up w/ Deja News to get the recipe.   It was originally posted before I began reading ROFF, so I’m glad you mentioned it again.   Thanks Jon & Jon! Joe F. (There’s no such thing as too much garlic.)

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[deleted] Caught around 30 a day. Released the vast majority. Brought back 3 lakers and 3 walleye though. All about 24 inches in length.

With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom.  What depth were you trolling ?  How about with the Macks ? Wake up, idiot. Timbo doesn’t catch fish, let alone eat them. He is an AR-loon with an anti-fishing agenda

I just love it when you get all pouty !  Are you wearing that Teddy I sent you ? XXXOOO’s — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Tim W writes( in response to Jim Powlesland’s claim of 30 lakers and walleyes a day released): With Walleye that would statistically be about 10 fish per day rotting on the bottom.  What depth were you trolling ?  How about with the Macks ?

Well, Tim, if one uses the anoxia studies of Drs. Tufts and Ferguson, published in 1995 in the Nova Scotia Salmon Assn newsletter, as well as a couple of professional Biology Journals, we can assume a 70% mortality. That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30, unless ‘ol Jim managed to get them out of the boat and back to the water in under 30 seconds, which they cite as the onset point of severe hypoxia in larger salmonids. A letter citing this study appeared in this months Flyfishing Guide(for you Easterners). The letter was a call to enlightened fishing by Andrew Gennaro, a veteran and well-regarded New Jersey angler. The letter in its entirety would be well worth many of the more ardent C&R advocate’s reading.                                 Tom Littleton

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[snip] That would be around 21 deceased salmonids out of 30

Nit-city: Last time I checked, walleyes were way-way-distant relatives to salmonids…

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Well part of his deluded online support group anyway.<

Hmmm.  Back yard dogs, maybe?  As oppossed to junk yard dogs, that is.  <g

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 How about with the Macks ? What the heck are "Macks"?

It appears that Americans west of the Mississipi refer to lake trout as mackinaws.  Tim’s upset cuz he’s the Mack Daddy. Mu

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This summer, starting in early June, I will be bicycling from Anchorage up the Parks Highway to Cantwell, across the Denali Highway and then over to the Alaska highway and out through the Yukon, B.C, Alberta….. I will be bringing a rod (4 pc, 6 wt?) and looking to do what fishing I can as I make my way.  Need to keep my fishing kit small.  Never been there before.  Expect I’ll see grayling.  Might I catch any of the King run on the Susitna? Any ideas on what flies I should bring would be appreciated.  I’m a newbie, but I just can’t pass on the chance to drop a line in the Great White North. I can con a friend of mine into tying up whatever you might suggest.  Also, if anyone wants to bestow the location of their favorite spots on me, I wouldn’t complain. Thanks a bunch.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer, starting in early June, I will be bicycling from Anchorage up the Parks Highway to Cantwell, across the Denali Highway and then over to the Alaska highway and out through the Yukon, B.C, Alberta….. I will be bringing a rod (4 pc, 6 wt?) and looking to do what fishing I can as I make my way.  Need to keep my fishing kit small.  Never been there before.  Expect I’ll see grayling.  Might I catch any of the King run on the Susitna? Any ideas on what flies I should bring would be appreciated.  I’m a newbie, but I just can’t pass on the chance to drop a line in the Great White North. I can con a friend of mine into tying up whatever you might suggest.  Also, if anyone wants to bestow the location of their favorite spots on me, I wouldn’t complain. Thanks a bunch.

Andrew,   I assume you live in Anchorage, or are flying in for this bicycle trip. Either way, from experience flying the bush years ago up there (I flew out of Fairbanks Int’l and Merrill Field, Anchorage) if you don’t bring anything else, bring a headnet and clothes that will protect the rest of your skin from hordes of ravenous mosquitoes. They are not all that bad in the ‘big cities’ of Alaska, but can drive you absolutely crazy out in the muskeg, etc. As an example, I used to fly clients or friends out to a remote lake in the Tanana Valley, and always carried a can or two of Black Flag bug spray. As soon as the airplane doors are opened to de-plane, look out! Of course, headnets were already in place. The Black Flag was to kill ‘em when they boarded with us for the return trip. I have caught grayling on drys and wets, most of the time they are not too fussy. If you want some arm wrenching fun, try any streamer that imitates a minnow, then fish the rivers for pike. We caught pike in the Yukon and Tanana rivers until our arms hurt. These were not especially big fish, maybe average 3# or so, but just sheer numbers will wear you down. Good luck, your post brought back many fond memories. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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John: having lots of trouble sending mail to you hope this worked. John: Hey great!!!  That’s what I need. Unfortunately I’m not familiar with the magazine and finding it at the library might not be successful.  Not much saltwater flyfishing here in Wisconsin.  If it’s not to much trouble, I would appreciate the electronic version mailed to me.  I should be able to read the scanned items with out any trouble. Al Hi Al: As I am a teacher I understand exactly what you are saying.  The is exactly the information you want in the June/July issue of Salt Water Flyfishing which can be acquired at places like Academy Sporting Goods.  The article is entitled the $400 Fishing Machine Conversion. The article can be found on Page 10. The boat transformed is a OMC Lowe Roughneck model 1648VT – a 16 foot boat.  The $400 figure refers to the cost of materials used, not the boat.  I am thinking of doing this myself.  If you can’t find the magazine, I will be happy to scan it for you and e-mail it if you are set up to read picture files such as jpegs or gifs.  You can open these with your web browser.  I will also be happy to mail you a photocopy of the article if you will supply your mailing address. Sincerely, John J. McGeough – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the question at this time.  Until the day comes where I’m able to purchase such a boat I need to look at other alternatives.  I would like to know if anyone knows of some recent articles or books on how to transform an older 14* or 16* aluminum boat in to a real fishing rig by adding floors, storage compartments, painting, installing carpet, proper materials to use etc. etc.  I see many of these so called *fixed up* boats in the used boat lots but often times the fix up job was done rather poorly and with the wrong materials.  If such an articles or other sources exists, I would be interested in knowing about it. Please E-mail me directly Thanks! Al Checkalski

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Hi Al: As I am a teacher I understand exactly what you are saying.  The is exactly the information you want in the June/July issue of Salt Water Flyfishing which can be acquired at places like Academy Sporting Goods.  The article is entitled the $400 Fishing Machine Conversion. The article can be found on Page 10. The boat transformed is a OMC Lowe Roughneck model 1648VT – a 16 foot boat.  The $400 figure refers to the cost of materials used, not the boat.  I am thinking of doing this myself.  If you can’t find the magazine, I will be happy to scan it for you and e-mail it if you are set up to read picture files such as jpegs or gifs.  You can open these with your web browser.  I will also be happy to mail you a photocopy of the article if you will supply your mailing address.   Sincerely, John J. McGeough – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the question at this time.  Until the day comes where I’m able to purchase such a boat I need to look at other alternatives.  I would like to know if anyone knows of some recent articles or books on how to transform an older 14

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I’ll be in Portland (weather permitting) from the 15-19 of Jan (This weekend) and I’m looking for info on a spot to try for a days fishing. Preferably if someone is interested in taking me along on a trip, I’ll provide transportation, cover all the costs and in return offer my services up here in Victoria B.C. I’ll fly fish for basically anything that swims and if steelheading doesn’t look good, then I’m up for anything.

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I’ll be in Portland (weather permitting) from the 15-19 of Jan (This weekend) and I’m looking for info on a spot to try for a days fishing. Preferably if someone is interested in taking me along on a trip, I’ll provide transportation, cover all the costs and in return offer my services up here in Victoria B.C. I’ll fly fish for basically anything that swims and if steelheading doesn’t look good, then I’m up for anything.

As of today, Tues 1/13, everything is blown out of shape. Forecast doesn’t look good…but who knows?

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        On my first ocean cruise in 1981, I bought some "Offshore" foul weather gear at R.E.I. in Seattle.  Total piece of shit. After some pretty rough usage (we lost a rudder) and 31 days at sea, the seams leaked.  I took them back to R.E.I.  They said that they wern’t meant for the kind of sailing I do, but for the "weekend" sailor."  I said "Well why the fuck! do you call it "Offshore"? To make a long story short, they wouldn’t refund my money and it just confirmed my opinion of R.E.I. as a fashion house for frustrated yuuppies. Growing up in Seattle, I have resisted the R.E.I Clone look mightily although I have to admit, Pile Jackets are great for me as I’m allergic to wool.         Where is this leading to?         Buy Helly Hansen fisherman foul weather gear. No seams, no fly, no pockets, NO LEAK!!!!  I’ve worn mine for 10 years fishing in Alaska and California and on many trans ocean sails.  Still wearing them.  My mother is borrowing them for a river rafting trip this month.  About $80 last time I bought (I have two pair) —

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A foulie jacket should either have built-in flotation, or be light and flexible enough to be worn comfortabley with a pfd. This rules out most of the jackets on the market, imho. Ever try to swim in foulies and boots? Either buy an expensive float-coat (very warm, too) or get a light nylon shell (the kind made for white-water canoeing are perfect) and use it in conjuction with sweater or fleece jacket and a pfd, when called for.

I used a canoeing jacket for a few seasons. I don’t agree that it is the best choice for heavy weather sailing. It worked fine for an occational light spray, but it didn’t hold up for the constant pounding with water on rough days. I would quickly get all soaked. It was an enormous improvement when I bought a real foul weather jacket. My usual advice to new sailors is to spend money on the pants and boots, and wait on the jacket.

This makes sense. You’ll quickly wear out any light pants. At least the jacket doesn’t have to take all that abrasive abuse. I wear my pfd inside of a seriously oversized jacket. I have found that this gives me less problems with condensation than doing it the other way. It also reduces the risk of getting tangled in or caought somewhere, and keeps your pfd dry (= fewer wet things in the boat, wich is nice if you’re out for several days.) I don’t think the heavy foul weather gear makes me less mobile. I may feel less mobile after a few hours of constant hard work in a heavy weather race, but that’s because I’m tired. /m

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     I just got the notion to go up to the lake Erie and check the cover on the boat this weekend.  While I am up there I may as well go by the West store and see if they have any of there foul weather gear on sale.  I will be looking for a warm waterproof jacket suitable for use in the spring or fall sailing. Does anyone have any recomendations regarding particullar brands or "features" that I may want to look for?                                                         Thanks,                                                                 Doug — Tar is not a play thing..I will not steal school property..Spit balls are not free speach..I will not bribe principal Skinner..I will not Xerox(tm) my butt .I will not teach others to fly..I will not do that thing with my tongue..BART

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:      I just got the notion to go up to the lake Erie and check the cover on the : boat this weekend.  While I am up there I may as well go by the West store and : see if they have any of there foul weather gear on sale.  I will be looking : for a warm waterproof jacket suitable for use in the spring or fall sailing. : Does anyone have any recomendations regarding particullar brands or "features" : that I may want to look for? :                                                       Thanks, :                                                               Doug : — : Tar is not a play thing..I will not steal school property..Spit balls are not : free speach..I will not bribe principal Skinner..I will not Xerox(tm) my butt : .I will not teach others to fly..I will not do that thing with my tongue..BART — Is that "West" as in West Marine?  My wife and I both have their "Explorer" (? I think) foul weather gear and we are very happy with it.  It did quite well in Practical Sailor’s review of foulies, as well.   The ONLY down side of it that I’ve found is that it is a little heavy for warm weather sailing.  Since that’s not usually a problem here in the Pacific NW, I’m quite happy with it. Chas Douglass/the "Emma Christine" + When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam.              + + I looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me.                + + Woody Allen                                                          +

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:      I just got the notion to go up to the lake Erie and check the cover on the : boat this weekend.  While I am up there I may as well go by the West store and : see if they have any of there foul weather gear on sale.  I will be looking : for a warm waterproof jacket suitable for use in the spring or fall sailing. : Does anyone have any recomendations regarding particullar brands or "features" : that I may want to look for? :                                                  Thanks, :                                                          Doug

Waterproof helps. Seriously, a big thing I cared about that many jackets didn’t address was adequate sealing about the neck. a $500 Henri Lloyd isn’t much good when spray hits you and runs inside the jacket repeatedly!!!! I got a pretty good deal on serious offshore gear – from Boat/US, actually. They sell other companies’ gear with their name on it – I have heard doubts about the quality, although mine has lasted very well. I hear Gore-Tex (Helly-Tech, whatever!) eventually leaks, but mine works okay for light spray. The PVC coating in my heavier gear, along with the sealed cuffs and neck, keep me surprisingly warm. It’s really too warm for active races. Alan Moore My opinions only.

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Hear, hear! I often read those magazine stories and look at the pretty pictures . . . Then, as I pick my way around the old tires so I can cast to the submerged shopping cart in mid-river, I try to recall all those pretty pictures. Those folks have birds singing and gurgling waters, I’ve got traffic zipping by and barking dogs. But, I’m catching plenty of good-sized fish and having a blast–even if neither I nor my surroundings look like the center spread in American Flyfisherman (or whatever). Fishing and fun are were you find them or make them. JL LPM Editor

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In Response to JC’s article about flyfishing morons I can only respond – Beautiful! Absolutely Beautiful!!! This is truely it – the essence of flyfishing – the type of conditions and payoff and bring us back time after time, leaving spouses and friends shaking their heads saying ‘he’s definitely out of his gourd!’

On my first ever flyfishing trip for trout (or any otehr species) I resurrected an old pair of Converse hip waders that had belonged to my father. They were probably older than I was and had not been stored in ideal conditions. They had pinhole leaks everywhere. Went into the nearest town and bought their entire supply or tire pactches. The hip boots looked like they had cancer. Still leaked. The last day of the trip an unseasonal cold spell moved in and it snowed. I said the hell with the waders, I’ll wade wet. The water temperature was about 52 degrees and the air temp about 22. As long as I stayed in the water I was fine. When I came out my cotton bluejeans froze up stiff as a board. I didn’t catch a thing all weekend long and it is still one of my fondest memories. I guess it’s safe to say that flyfishers have a different outlook from most "normal" people.

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In Response to JC’s article about flyfishing morons I can only respond –                      Beautiful! Absolutely Beautiful!!! This is truely it – the essence of flyfishing – the type of conditions and payoff and bring us back time after time, leaving spouses and friends shaking their heads saying ‘he’s definitely out of his gourd!’  Also true, magazines provide a sickenly unrealistic portrayal of the usual flyfishing excursion and the true charcter of the flyfisherman(person).  Most of my fishing adventures have taken place in a drift boat on the Yakima River in Washington state. Prior to investing in a *real* driftboat, we used an old plastic thing that looked like a kiddie sandbox and it was patched with silicone gel and aluminum beer cans, due to the numerous rocks, trees, and other obsticles that we managed to plow into.  Pack into that 3 full grown men brandishing 8-1/2 ft fiberglass rods (6 or 7 weight – also, you NEVER take your good rod out in this particular boat), a little beer, 6 hours of (then) total solitude, having the river completely to yourself, a couple of caotic near capsizes and arguments over who’s turn it is to row the damn boat, and you have all the ingredients of a real good time.  We occasionally ran into a few parties that looked like a marketing campagne for a menswear catalogue, however, they were too busy looking good to be much fun, and besides, they weren’t catching any fish. Anyway, thanks for the story, JC.  It really did my old heart good! Tim

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