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Have the white flies started to hatch on the upper Potomac yet?

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Yes.  Best time is after seven p.m.  I’ve been using a "green weenie" pattern, but using white chenille vice chartreuse. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Yes.  Best time is after seven p.m.  I’ve been using a "green weenie" pattern, but using white chenille vice chartreuse. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!!

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Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!!

Actually, looking for the Air Force Pararescue type. Need someone who can scale a cliff or a fish, shoot an attacking grizzly or a class V rapid to drag my ass out, repair a float tube or repair to the extraction point.  Must be qualified in white water, avalanche, and deep submersible rescue.  Should be world renown fly tyer and brewer. Now thats a fishing buddy.                  Frank (Just had cortisone next to my spine)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!! Actually, looking for the Air Force Pararescue type. Need someone who can scale a cliff or a fish, shoot an attacking grizzly or a class V rapid to drag my ass out, repair a float tube or repair to the extraction point.  Must be qualified in white water, avalanche, and deep submersible rescue.  Should be world renown fly tyer and brewer. Now thats a fishing buddy.

You need a dog. — TL, Tim (well, not for the fly tying and brewing but, hey, nobody’s perfect.)

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You need a dog. — TL, Tim

Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Well, I was in the Navy so I could probably call in an aircraft carrier to save you on occasion.  I’m also due to brew my sixth batch of pale ale or porter soon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need a dog. — TL, Tim Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Okay, think we gotta hook up.  I do know of a couple of good spots within ten miles of Harpers Ferry.  My daughter is coming back this weekend after a month away so will stay home, but mayhaps next?  I’ll even leave off the squiddly jokes. — Frank Reid (USAF Retired) Reverse email to reply.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need a dog. — TL, Tim Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another.

Thanks.  Best laugh I’ve had in a week.  Nice to know someone has at least one pet crazier than most I’ve had. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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This is rather long winded, but 5 days of fishing take a while to describe, and it was a great trip.  I’ll post another report on flies, leaders, and tactics in general.

[a toothy snip] After dinner it was time to fly out to Yellowknife and then home the next morning.  Despite the freak wind storm, this was a great trip.   Next year we’ll do it again. Chas A piker if there ever was one! See www.enodah.com for more info about the resort.

Chas, I hope you’re able to put this post, the tactics one, and the photos up on a website as this one is a keeper fer sure. Were you finding these fish mostly in the shallows and catching them mostly either on top or near the surface?  When I fished Blatchford Lake NWT, I found the pike ranged between tight up to the bank in barely enough water to cover their backs, all of the way down to 15′ or more.  The pike in your area definitely were larger than the ones at Blatchford and as pike are so slow growing up North, I wonder why these fish are consistently so large – did the lodge offer any opinions? Might want to also post this to can.rec.fishing – those boys need the help. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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 the wind increased to about 30mph,

Just 30?  A pleasant breeze… Sounds like you had a great trip; nice report. Kevin

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Having spent my career as a programmer, I’ve resisted building a web page, but maybe it’s time. This trip was during that post-post-spawn time when the fish have moved out of the shallows and are mostly resting in the middle depths.  If we had been a week earlier we’d have caught a lot of them in the shallows.  Another week and they’d be back in the shallows.  Maybe it was the storm that drove them out.  In any event, the North Arm is a large string of islands with almost no water as deep as 15 feet.  These fish were in 3 to 5 feet, out in the middle of the bay.   The large fish are a result of minimal fishing preasure for the size of the area.  The season is a couple months long, Ragnar has room for a max of 16 people, and only fills the resort for two or three prime weeks in June.  He only keeps a few fish a day for lunch, and those are 25 to 30 inches long.  Steve Probasco of Northwest Flyfishing had the same experience with the size of the fish, Great Slave Lake has the bigger fish. As for survival, one of the other guys caught a 38" fish with a healed whole in his head.  The guide, Frank, remembered the fish from a couple years ago when it was 36 inches.  One inch a year for this fish. As for can.rec.fishing, both of those guys should read r.o.f.f.   This is where the action is. Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chas, I hope you’re able to put this post, the tactics one, and the photos up on a website as this one is a keeper fer sure. Were you finding these fish mostly in the shallows and catching them mostly either on top or near the surface?  When I fished Blatchford Lake NWT, I found the pike ranged between tight up to the bank in barely enough water to cover their backs, all of the way down to 15′ or more.  The pike in your area definitely were larger than the ones at Blatchford and as pike are so slow growing up North, I wonder why these fish are consistently so large – did the lodge offer any opinions? Might want to also post this to can.rec.fishing – those boys need the help. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Pleasant breeze?  With that experience from Devil’s Lake, it wasn’t too hard to cast, but up there that wind is rare in the spring and summer.   I think we should move the clave north next year. Anybody interested? Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  the wind increased to about 30mph, Just 30?  A pleasant breeze… Sounds like you had a great trip; nice report. Kevin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having spent my career as a programmer, I’ve resisted building a web page, but maybe it’s time. This trip was during that post-post-spawn time when the fish have moved out of the shallows and are mostly resting in the middle depths.  If we had been a week earlier we’d have caught a lot of them in the shallows. Another week and they’d be back in the shallows.  Maybe it was the storm that drove them out.  In any event, the North Arm is a large string of islands with almost no water as deep as 15 feet.  These fish were in 3 to 5 feet, out in the middle of the bay.   The large fish are a result of minimal fishing preasure for the size of the area.  The season is a couple months long, Ragnar has room for a max of 16 people, and only fills the resort for two or three prime weeks in June.  He only keeps a few fish a day for lunch, and those are 25 to 30 inches long.  Steve Probasco of Northwest Flyfishing had the same experience with the size of the fish, Great Slave Lake has the bigger fish. As for survival, one of the other guys caught a 38" fish with a healed whole in his head.  The guide, Frank, remembered the fish from a couple years ago when it was 36 inches.  One inch a year for this fish. As for can.rec.fishing, both of those guys should read r.o.f.f.   This is where the action is. Chas

Interesting as Blatchford Lake is hardly pressured by Southern standards however, the effects of killing just a few large, slow growing fish in a 14 mile long lake, would have an effect.  Most of the pike I saw, hooked, landed were in the 30" range.  I did play tag with a monster in the 40"+ range but never succeeded in setting a hook in her. I’m going to be shortening up the Yak flies that I’ve already tied plus tie up a few with stinger hooks.  The choice of the 2/0 was simply a matter of what I had handy – the 4/0 would be a better choice. About the hook problem – were you referring to loosing fish on hooks with an upturned eye? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Pleasant breeze?  With that experience from Devil’s Lake, it wasn’t too hard to cast, but up there that wind is rare in the spring and summer. I think we should move the clave north next year. Anybody interested?

I’d be interested but staying at one of the fly-in resorts is beyond my budget. Great report, BTW. Willi

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I’ve been using saltwater hooks – straight eye and no offset.  I just have difficulty finding them in the right size.

Your #2 hooks had a better hooking percentage than the offset 2/0 hooks as near as I can tell.  My new favorite is the Owner super point hook, but the Mustad 3407 is so much cheaper that I use it more often.  4/0 is nice because it stays upright better than smaller hooks. Chas

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Pleasant breeze?  With that experience from Devil’s Lake, it wasn’t too hard to cast, but up there that wind is rare in the spring and summer. I think we should move the clave north next year. Anybody interested? I’d be interested but staying at one of the fly-in resorts is beyond my budget.

Check out the website for prices, they’re not as high as you might expect.  I think I could get a discount if we can get more than a couple guys interested. Thanks Chas

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I’m going to be shortening up the Yak flies that I’ve already tied plus tie up a few with stinger hooks.  The choice of the 2/0 was simply a matter of what I had handy – the 4/0 would be a better choice. The flies you sent me had #2, not #2/0 hooks.

Well, must’ve been the cheap booze that night or I was really scraping the bottom of the hook barrel – thought I had used 2/0. About the hook problem – were you referring to loosing fish on hooks with an upturned eye? I had straightened the turned up eye, but the difference is that the point is offset.  When you put a standard fly hook on a table, it lies flat.  These bait hooks aren’t bent in one plane, but have the point turned to one side a bit.  I had expected that to help, but I’m suspicious that it was a hinderance.  This is rather unscientific, I’d have to work on a way to test this idea and try it before I can push this as any more than anecdotal. Chas

I’ve been using saltwater hooks – straight eye and no offset.  I just have difficulty finding them in the right size. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Interesting as Blatchford Lake is hardly pressured by Southern standards however, the effects of killing just a few large, slow growing fish in a 14 mile long lake, would have an effect.  Most of the pike I saw, hooked, landed were in the 30" range.  I did play tag with a monster in the 40"+ range but never succeeded in setting a hook in her. I’m going to be shortening up the Yak flies that I’ve already tied plus tie up a few with stinger hooks.  The choice of the 2/0 was simply a matter of what I had handy – the 4/0 would be a better choice.

The flies you sent me had #2, not #2/0 hooks. About the hook problem – were you referring to loosing fish on hooks with an upturned eye?

I had straightened the turned up eye, but the difference is that the point is offset.  When you put a standard fly hook on a table, it lies flat.  These bait hooks aren’t bent in one plane, but have the point turned to one side a bit.  I had expected that to help, but I’m suspicious that it was a hinderance.  This is rather unscientific, I’d have to work on a way to test this idea and try it before I can push this as any more than anecdotal. Chas

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This is rather long winded, but 5 days of fishing take a while to describe, and it was a great trip.  I’ll post another report on flies, leaders, and tactics in general. My son Glen (22) and I drove to Vancouver BC, and then flew to Yellowknife NWT by way of Edmonton Alberta.  Since there aren’t many flights we wound up leaving the house at 2:30 AM to catch the 7:00 departure in Vancouver.  No time to sleep after packing.  We arrived in Yellowknife a little after noon and goofed around town until the 7:00 PM flight to Trout Rock Lodge.  It’s only 30 or 40 miles by air, and the twin Otter got us there in a hurry.  We talked to the party of 10 from Minnesota that was leaving as we arrived.  It turns out they fished for 7 days and caught 133 fish over 40 inches with the biggest being 49.5 inches.  That fish was probably over 30#.  Those fish probably averaged 22 pounds or more, and weighed a total of one and a half tons.  Many more fish were caught that were under 40", that’s the size they measure before releasing. The resort has nice cabins that sleep 4 comfortably.  They’re a tad bigger than the ones at Devil’s Lake ND, and they have a sink.  The bathroom is not as fancy as the ones in ND, there is an outhouse, a single shower with hot water, and a regular toilet in the lodge building.  All the meals are provided, breakfast and dinner in the lodge, and pike cooked many different ways for shore lunch. Our first day started with eggs cooked to order and then we were off to find the pike.  Our guide, Mike, was new to the area this year, but had been guiding at Great Bear Lake for Plummer’s for the last few years so he knew his stuff.  There are three native guides, Jonas, Frank, and Eddie, who grew up in the area and know all the rocks. Since I’d been at the resort three times before, Ragnar thought I’d be able to work with the new guy and maybe even show him some spots he hadn’t been shown yet.  That worked nicely and we were delighted with his service. The first day Glen caught the big one at 43", and another one 40".  My biggest was 41".  We didn’t count the rest of the fish, but I’m sure there were more than 30 each averaging 5 to 10 pounds.  Some of my favorite spots were not well populated, the fish seemed to be in 3-7 feet of water instead of the shallows where we hoped to sight fish.   Glen’s fly was a blue and white fish hair tube fly about 6 inches long.  I was using a green and white seabait fly about 4 inches long.  Both flies had 4/0 hooks.  Dinner was charcoal grilled pork chops with mashed potatoes, salad, veggies, and a home baked cake for desert.  All this was washed down with a couple bottles of Ragnar’s private label G.G.G red wine.   That’s Granite Grown Grapes.  A nice flavor somewhere between Lambrusco and Bordolino.  I went out on the dock later, and was treated to a fine sunset.  A pair of loons swam by about 30 feet out, as they got about 50 yards up the shore, suddenly a pair of ducks scooted out onto the lake, and then an eagle flew out of the same spot and right at me.  He went by about 20 feet over my head, an immature golden eagle. The second day we awoke at 6:30, 3 hours after sunrise, to clouds and wet ground.  The fishing was slow today, we found lots of smaller fish, but nothing over 32 inches.  We could feel that a storm was brewing, and the fish seemed to know too.  About 2:00 the wind picked up and the fishing tapered off some more.  We smelled smoke, and discovered that a small fire had started on the island where we’d had lunch.  Apparently they hadn’t put the fire out carefully enough and the strong wind had blown some coals out of the fire ring and started some brush on fire.   We got some buckets and put it out as the wind increased to about 30mph, and fog and rain moved in.  No mosquitoes today, the wind had them holed up nicely. The third day we had the same wind.  It had persisted through the night, and it looked pretty ugly out there.  The group of 4 from California opted to stay home, but Ron and Dave and Glen and I decided to have a go at it.  It was tough casting, and the fish were hard to find, but we managed a couple lunch fish of 8 pounds or so, and were glad to be out instead of stuck at the resort.  Ron managed a 39" fish on a spoon, but that was the only large fish caught that day. The fourth day the wind had settled back to 10 mph or so, and it was clear.  We started the day with a nice 32" fish in an area that hadn’t produced before, and then we moved back to the "Bowling Alley" where the big fish had been caught the week before.  I hooked into the biggest one so far, 44" and nice and fat.  We each caught 30 to 40 fish, again averaging near 10 pounds, but no others over 40".  Dinner was caribou shis-ka-bob, very tasty. Our last day looked even better than the day before.  The wind was down to 2 mph, the water was clearer, in all it looked like a great day.  It was Glen’s day for big fish.  He landed a 43" fish that probably outweighed my 44" fish from yesterday.  We both caught a couple fish of 38 or 39 inches, and then the wind started picking up.  Fred, the grandpa of the California group caught a 42" pike despite the fact he could only cast about 25 feet.  It was great fun to watch an 80+ year old man so excited catching a big fish.  It was his biggest fish ever.   Then Glen hooked a fish that was bigger than any we’d seen so far.  He brought it to the surface next to the boat several times, but it just charged off and he clearly didn’t have it under control yet.  As he was adjusting the drag the crank on his reel got caught in his vest and the fish took off on another strong run.  It broke the leader at the nail knot.  The 40# butt material broke in the knot, and the fish took off with the fly and the leader.  If Glen hadn’t had a particularly strong grip, the fish would have just ripped the rod from his hand.  Amazing power in these fish. After dinner it was time to fly out to Yellowknife and then home the next morning.  Despite the freak wind storm, this was a great trip.   Next year we’ll do it again. Chas A piker if there ever was one! See www.enodah.com for more info about the resort.

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Hello Everyone,  I’m gearing up to do a bit of small lake fishing next week.  I really haven’t done much lake fly fishing over the past few years so I’m not real sure what to bring along for patterns.  Can anyone suggest some good "general" patterns for exploration on high mountain lakes? TIA

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Hello Everyone,  I’m gearing up to do a bit of small lake fishing next week.  I really haven’t done much lake fly fishing over the past few years so I’m not real sure what to bring along for patterns.  Can anyone suggest some good "general" patterns for exploration on high mountain lakes? TIA

These are the flies I use over here in Scotland on hill lochs :- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/flyindex.html especially the "Dry fly", "Hill Loch Nymph" and "Iron Blue Wetfly". — Don`t Worry, Be Happy       Sandy —       Website:-  http://www.ftscotland.co.uk     IRC:- Sandyb in #rabble  uk3.arcnet.vapor.com Port:6667      #Rabble Channel Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/rabble              ICQ : 41266150

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These are the flies I use over here in Scotland on hill lochs :- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/flyindex.html especially the "Dry fly", "Hill Loch Nymph" and "Iron Blue Wetfly".

Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here…. — Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. … and they all stink!

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Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here….

Yeah, beats the hell out of gratuitous insults, don’t it? Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one.

makes you superfluous, huh? … and they all stink!

We are pleased to bow to your authority. Wolfgang o.k., who wants to ask how someone comes to know so much about rectal redolence?

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Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here…. Yeah, beats the hell out of gratuitous insults, don’t it?

Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. makes you superfluous, huh?

… and they all stink! We are pleased to bow to your authority.

— Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. … and they all stink!

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Hard to compare a 50.00 pair of pants to an 800.00 appliance.

Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I

bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in

my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots

I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would

look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they

felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your

job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Walter! L L Bean, Pants, $50.00? I need the catalog they send you. Best Mike N

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Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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You are 100% correct in saying this Bill, I won’t hold it against Cabelas. It’s been 5 months or so, not quite a year.  I’m just cryin the blues I guess, it’s been a rough week old buddy. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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You’d still come out ahead with Cabela’s. You will get full credit and only pay get free shipping on the replacement item. You will get stuck with shipping the motor back, but you will take a bath on eBay. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones?

Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have?

Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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…imagine if computer dealers would do that….I’d gladly pay shipping charges to upgrade every six months…let us know how it turns out, eh.

I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new

Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the

externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the

newer version for the one I have? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I buy a ton of stuff from Cabela’s, and they have the best customer service in the business, hands down. You probably don’t even need an RMA. Go to cabelas.com and get the live chat and you can take it up with them there. I’m sure you’ll be pleased. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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In other words, if you’ve made the moral decision to use a nymph, you might as well use all the weight you need to get it where it needs to be.

"the moral decision to use a nymph"??? I always considered it a tactical decision. What is the morality involved here?  Should we get Dr. Laura involved? George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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"the moral decision to use a nymph"??? I always considered it a tactical decision. What is the morality involved here?  Should we get Dr. Laura involved?

Hold on, Forty should be here momentarily… Kevin

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In other words, if you’ve made the moral decision to use a nymph, you might as well use all the weight you need to get it where it needs to be. "the moral decision to use a nymph"??? I always considered it a tactical decision. What is the morality involved here?  Should we get Dr. Laura involved?

Oh fer cryin’ out loud George, why don’t you tip your nymph with a piece of corn while you’re at it?

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

That is a red herring.  Is the dynamite weighted or unweighted?

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If it were me Danl, the answer is no.  You will catch fish if you weight your nymphs but what will you use, lead?  Not necessary.  You can use Zinc or copper if you want but there is a downside.  Your nymphs won’t flow along with the current drag free.  This is where 99% of all nymph fishermen mess up.  Trout are selective under water just as much as they are when coming to dry flies.  Drag free drifts is paramount if you’re going to be a savvy and serious nymph fisherman.  It’s difficult enough as it is and those who need to use bobbers while fly fishing is testimony to that fact.   Lead in a size #22 nymph isn’t going to do you any more good than weight inside a size 14 nymph or wet fly.  What you want to always maintain is a natural drift without lead and use nymphs as sparsely dressed as possible.  This is one of the reasons I make my own hand tied leaders because I would rather have weight on the knots above the main tippet and I use as much as is necessary to get the knot where the tippet is attached to the taper section, not the nymph itself.  I use a minimum of 24 inches of nymphing tippet material between the fly and the first knot.  If the weight (I use soft copper wire or zinc) for weight, if needed) and I use Xink on all my nymphs which will put my nymphs right along the same level as my tippet will be.  If your nymph is tumbling and turning and flowing along as naturally as possible, the amount of takes you’re going to get will triple compared to anyone who uses weight dragging nymphs. There is a zone of a foot or less right on the bottom of all rivers that is current free.  This is where resting fish lay as they watch food go drifting by.  As a dry fly rising fish will rise out of the current to take a fly on the surface, nymphing fish often rise from the very bottom to take a nymph passing by in the current.  You do not want your nymph ticking along the bottom as most profess you should be doing.  You want only the first weighted knot to be ticking along the bottom (every once in a while) and not the hook.  The fish that are caught with weighted nymphs are mostly force fed.  What I mean by this is the angler happens to be lucky enough to hit the fish almost right in the face.   I want to catch trout that are actively feeding on nymphs flowing along with the current because these are the fish that will swing left or right a foot or two.  There are feeding stations under water just as there are on the surface for dry fly fishermen. There is a lot more to this than what I have time to write here now, but to answer your question, you don’t need weighted flies as much as you do need more "Drag Free" drifts. George Gehrke Nymphomaniac Fly Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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I generally use weighted nymphs, but I prefer to use bead-heads, when practical, to weight them. Bead-head pheasnat tail nymphs are one of my most productive flies.

Mostly because of the "Apex Flash" on the round globe of the bead, not because of the extra weight which is mostly mute in its ability to influence a fishes’ attention Tim. George Gehrke Nymph maniac Fly Fisherman

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I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. — Ken Fortenberry

Okay?!  So why do you say and feel like this about nymph fishing Ken?   George Gehrke "interested"

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. That is a red herring.  Is the dynamite weighted or unweighted?

that, will you please? jesus! my sides hurt . . .

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Seems to me that it really depends on the water you’re fishing. Clearly, an unweighted nymph casts better and makes more elegant presentations,  and a heavy nymph is pretty ugly in the air, but if the water is fast and deep it’s hard to get an unweighted fly down near the bottom. I suppose one solution would be to use a sinking line, but in the small streams that I usually fish I’ve never been able to see much value in using it. And I don’t like having to carry a floating line for dries and a sinking line for nymphs. In other words, if you’ve made the moral decision to use a nymph, you might as well use all the weight you need to get it where it needs to be. — Bob Patton

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

personally, i like fucking nymphs…… but what the hell ken, whatever floats yer boat <g –waldo

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I like to use a heavily weighted Copper John along with an unweighted nymph, or maybe two. The Copper John takes the place of splitshot, but has fish-catching capability. I still haven’t figured out whether it’s better to put the weighted fly on the top or the bottom. Any opinions on that? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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personally, i like fucking nymphs…… but what the hell ken, whatever floats yer boat <g

Past tense, right Walt ? — Ken Fortenberry

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. personally, i like fucking nymphs……

Weighted or unweighted?

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Ken Fortenberry wrote… I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

Oh you dry fly snob! Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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well, if there is really nothing doing on dries, and I can’t spark some action with soft-hackles, sure, I have some weighted nymphs in my boxes. Mostly I’ll go with bead-heads or in some places weighted stone-fly nymphs. I don’t much like casting heavy flies, nor flies with split-shot, but I’ll do what it takes.  I tend to fish places where I can get by just fine without resorting to heavy stuff. Eugene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I seldom weight nymphs and I just don’t like the way beadheads look. (I know they catch fish but……) I prefer weight on the leader to weight on the fly in most situations. The only nymphs that I consistant tie with weight are large stoneflies. Willi

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I still haven’t figured out whether it’s better to put the weighted fly on the top or the bottom. Any opinions on that?

I think the unweighted fly "swims" better, more naturally, if it’s on the bottom.  The weighted fly serves the same function as a split shot, but lets the other fly drift more or less freely. JR

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I still haven’t figured out whether it’s better to put the weighted fly on the top or the bottom. Any opinions on that?

I put the weighted fly on top with the unweighted fly on the bottom (point). Just seems to be a logical arrangement, and I have had  success using it. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs?

I seldom weight nymphs and I just don’t like the way beadheads look. (I know they catch fish but……) I prefer weight on the leader to weight on the fly in most situations. The only nymphs that I consistant tie with weight are large stoneflies. Willi

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

I would certainly prefer to use dries all the time, but western tailwaters generally require small(sz 20-26) midge larva patterns.  Over the past few years I would guess that I use nymphs nearly 85% of the time.  This includes dropping a nymph from a dry or using a two nymph rig.     Regarding the use of weighed nymphs.  I have started to stay away from weighted nymphs.  I prefer to use weight directly on the tippet, generally 12 to 18 inches above the point fly.  A tailwater guide in Colorado recently pointed out how weighted nymphs simply don’t float naturally through the water column and he always uses unweighted nymphs.   He also pointed out how BH patterns generally don’t look realistic and more often than not many BH(bead heads) are too big for the hook size.   Especially when dealing with sz 24 midge patterns! For weight, I use that green coated stuff from England.  Can’t think of the name right now…. — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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    I do indeed tie weighted nymphs.  I use a red thread head on my weighted ones to indicate the difference from non-weighted.  I find arsenic-core lead solder to be a good weighting material as I don’t even have to use a priest, not that I ever would.  I do like the feel of those apache or golden trout flopping around in the creel, so some times I use the unweighted flies with the black-thread or beadheads.     By the way, for all those folk looking for a replacement for Gink, got an old transformer sitting out in the back yard and the liquid in that is great.  Keeps a fly floating forever.  I can ship a quart or two to anyone that needs it.  Might not want to hold your floatant bottle in your teeth, though.     Oh, by the way, for all you pissy C&R folks, I do practice it.  I got a latch on the bottom of the creel that lets me empty that sucker real quick if I see a ranger.  All he’ll find in there is a digital camera and an invite to the Elks Club Fly Tie. Danl,    I’ve gotten away from lead wire sinking nymphs and have found the ease of use of bead heads.  If I need to sink a nymph without a bead, I have found that the split-shot works great. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs?

I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. — Ken Fortenberry

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So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

Keeps the ball rolling anyway. The only weight I’ll add to a PT is a copper beadhead,  a small one (3/32" for #14, 5/64" for #16, nothing on smaller sizes).  I like a slim silhouette on PTs and think wrapping weight on the shank ruins that.   The flies I most often weight (other than winter steelhead flies) are woolly buggers.  I’ll also weight Prince and stonefly nymphs, which I frequently fish together with a smaller unweighted fly on a dropper. JR

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8< . So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs?

yes. –waldo

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I generally use weighted nymphs, but I prefer to use bead-heads, when practical, to weight them. Bead-head pheasnat tail nymphs are one of my most productive flies. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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Al, you are inviting PETA here?  That is tantamount to inviting meowers here.  Sometimes you are amusing, but now you have gone too far, if this is your intent. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was at walmart last night and i didn’t see Steve (Stoner Lake) there. Walmart is quite the place for tackle. I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

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Bob writes: Al, you are inviting PETA here?  That is tantamount to inviting meowers here.  Sometimes you are amusing, but now you have gone too far, if this is your intent. —   Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.   Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

Bob If i feel like it I’ll invite a peta type who is also a jetskier. How does that grab you? Al

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I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc.

OK Al, here’s something that will help you out, I found it in an outdoor magazine.  The entire ad is as follows: "Bait Stick" is a stretchy, sticky glue that will attach live insects to a hook.  Wrap a match-head-sized glob on a hook and touch the glue to an ant, salmon egg…whatever.  The bug won’t die because the glue is non-toxic; instead, the insect will thrash and kick around.  Can you think of a better fish attractant?  The glue never dries out and continues to work underwater. Insects will even stay attached when being cast with a fly rod.  ($7.50; 734-676-7772) There, now quit worrying about finding a harness to fish your live bait from.  Call the phone number, part with $7.50 US and go feed some fish. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing

livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal The aversion has nothing to do with "sacrificing" livebait.  The aversion lies in the fact that often times while fishing livebait, a fish is gut hooked, rendering them unreleasable, or if you do, there is a strong possibility that the fish will die.  If you are paying attention to the overall attitude of the members of this newsgroup, you will notice that the majority of us would rather fish, catching and releasing them to enjoy another day.  I’m sure that most of us release in excess of 90% of the fish we catch.  It’s harder to do when the fish are gut hooked as happens more often when fishing livebait.  Also, many members feel that there is more skill involved in fooling a fish into striking an artificial than to feed livebait to a bass.  To many of us, it’s not the actual fish being caught, it’s the process of getting the strike in the first place that trips our triggers.  And if you don’t understand that, maybe you should take up golf. i was wondering what Peta types would think of it.

My thoughts on what PETA types would think of it???   Who cares??? —

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I was at walmart last night and i didn’t see Steve (Stoner Lake) there. Walmart is quite the place for tackle. I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

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lso is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

Hello Albert,   Have you ever had a mess of crickets get loose n your truck or had earthworms bust out in your fridge and crawl on the meatloaf or had a minnow jump out the bucket and wedge his way underneath the seat where he would stay and stink for Tommy Rilee

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Hello Albert,   Have you ever had a mess of crickets get loose n your truck or had earthworms bust out in your fridge and crawl on the meatloaf or had a minnow jump out the bucket and wedge his way underneath the seat where he would stay and stink for Tommy Rilee

Tom No i have never had that happen to me. I’ve heard the fridge thing before. Rotting minnows under a seat make a fishing boat smell like what it should smell like. I’m not afraid of the bait or getting my hands dirty. If your afraid of the bait how are you with the fish. It’s best to think like your quarry (fish) then you will have no qualms about the bait. Al

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Al, if you try and analyze what the PETA people think, it’ll drive you crazy, because they are crazy.  I’m not any proponent of hurting animals needlessly, and would never do it purposely.  I used to hunt (a lot when younger) and fished both then and now, and it doesn’t bother me to eat what I shot or caught, which meant having to dispatch them.  PETA nuts equate the equality of animals to people.  I don’t.  That includes live bait.  If you’re interested in live bait harnesses, you can probably find them on line at BPS or Cabela’s. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was at walmart last night and i didn’t see Steve (Stoner Lake) there. Walmart is quite the place for tackle. I was looking for live bait harnesses. Couldn’t find any. Probably because there isn’t a big market for them. Is there any instrucions anywhere how to make them for frogs, crickets, grasshoppers, hellgramights, crayfish etc. Also is part of the aversion to livebait the fact that you are sacrificing livebait for fishing. But fishing is hooking fish so what’s the big deal i was wondering what Peta types would think of it. Al

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Hi,     I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.  I have been going to school at Vanderbilt University in Nashville for 4 years now and for one reason or another have never tried fly fishing in Tennessee.  I’m from Texas where I fish saltwater often, but I can probably count the times I’ve gone fly fishing in the past 5 years on one hand.  Like many beginners, I spent no more than $100 bucks on rod, reel, and line combined.  After a relatively unsuccessful trip to the Frio river in the Texas hill country, I realized that I might have been missing out on some pretty decent fishing in East Tennessee.  I know the basics of the sport and what it entails, but there is so much more for me to learn.  If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated:     1)  where in eastern Tennessee to fish     2)  what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies,          fly sizes, etc.)     3)  recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help)     4)  outfitters in the Nashville area     5)  books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying     5)  anything else that would be helpful Thanks,     Tyler McAfee

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If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated:    1)  where in eastern Tennessee to fish    2)  what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies,          fly sizes, etc.)    3)  recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help)    4)  outfitters in the Nashville area    5)  books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying    5)  anything else that would be helpful

Waters…within close proximity to you,,,the Clinch, the Hiwassee, the Tellico WMA, the Smokies….the Holston, Tailwaters a 5wt is nice. Teachers and outfitters, right next to your school, the West End Transit Company on West End Avenue, nice fly shop in back, with a member of the newsgroup working there on Fridays, Jack Schmitt (I hope I got that right)., Active TN TU chapters are a good place to start. The TN TU chapter even put out a small booklet of maps on the TN trout streams. theres another outfitter nearby, combination gun and tackle shop but the name escapes me right now. But go see Jack, he’s a good guy and won’t steer you wrong. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Hi Wayne, I appreciate the kind remarks. The shop is Cumberland Transit and is next to Vanderbilt. Due to circumstances, I will be in the shop irregularly over the next 2 months. My wife and I plan to travel the West. Jim Mauries from Colorado is there full-time and will be glad to help if I am not there. Best wishes and tight lines. Jack.

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writes: The shop is Cumberland Transit and is

Sorry Jack, brain fart. have fun out west. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.                                            ^^^^ No thanks.

Saving yourself for T-Bone (just kidding Jimbo-really) Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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X-no-archive: yes     I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.                                            ^^^^ No thanks.

        good god.  the first inkling of humor in your roff life.  this may be a memorable occasion. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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 East of Aspen, there

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    I have an old bamboo pole that was given to me.  It is about 9 to 10′ two piece pole with a single eyelet on the end.  It doesn’t have a handle on it or any mounts for a reel.     I’m curioius of what kind of pole it is and If it is worth anything.

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   I have an old bamboo pole that was given to me.  It is about 9 to 10′ two piece pole with a single eyelet on the end.  It doesn’t have a handle on it or any mounts for a reel.    I’m curioius of what kind of pole it is and If it is worth anything.

Hi Andrew, That pole is for ‘tule dippen’. You put about 8 to 10′ of heavy line on the eyelet with a bobber and hook. Install some protein (i.e.worm) and swing it out on to the water. When the bobber goes under, light up the barbecue. I think it is a big part of our fishing heritage. In many third world countries they fish with a can and line. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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   I have an old bamboo pole that was given to me.  It is about 9 to 10′ two piece pole with a single eyelet on the end.  It doesn’t have a handle on it or any mounts for a reel.    I’m curioius of what kind of pole it is and If it is worth anything.

AKA a ‘whacko’ pole ,,used here (AUS) for the taking of Barra and Jack around snags. Method is to secure some 80+ mono to the tip with a 3.0 longshank hook with the barb filed off. Attach one live prawn (at least #8) and lower gingerly  into the snag. The name I am not sure where it originates. Tis one of these: A. the sound created when the frustrated fisho hits the water with the pole repeatedly. B. the imagined feeling when a BarraTuesday hits. C. the clip over the ear you get when doin’ this out of season. D. all of the above Gilly No SEA too rough No Muff too tough Be UP and alive

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orvis jeep beadheads… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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this thread is for anything unrelated to flyfishing. feel free to contribute, but PLEASE,  no flyfishing (than it would be an off-topic, off-topic thread and would kinda be like looking in the mirrors at a barbershop…) ie… volkswagon beetles

        imho, far superior to chevrolet hare’s ears for really getting a sinking line down where the big uns are.  oh, i realize casting can become a little tiresome; but, hey, that’s fly fishing for ya…         a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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this thread is for anything unrelated to flyfishing. feel free to contribute, but PLEASE,  no flyfishing (than it would be an off-topic, off-topic thread and would kinda be like looking in the mirrors at a barbershop…) ie… kohlberg tongue swallowing dueling banjoes tv ratings cursing me, yourself, or others lovefests volkswagon beetles internet bad guys internet good guys anything goes…..

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