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 Why bright orange ?   Hunters ?

Obviously, you don’t read InStyle magazine.  Get with the program. Mu

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Every time I see the title of this thread I shudder, and I think, no . . . there’s no way I can comment at all on someone’s butt leak. I’m still shuddering. Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I fish around 60  days a year, and that will be going up ( assuming enough snow to make water to fish in) to around 100, as I am now semi-retired I am getting Sims, waiting for the G3’s.  I will use them for all wade fishing, where my kickboat isn’t a factor. But the real reason for my post was to see if the "seat crunching, material sliding on itself under pressure" deal of kickboat use ( both kicking and rowing cause this sliding)  is simply beyond "breathable" technology. If breathables can be made to last, they are ideal.  Since most of your body is out of the water, rowing or kicking, breathable is literally "cool" but when you stop to wade fish, leaks are far too cool. FWIW, I just this minute called Simms and the nice lady told me that "guide input" was a a reason the G3’s will have a greatly tougher "rear" and, implied that they have had problems with the membrane breaking down under lots of "kickboat" use ( rowing a drift boat would be the same, btw ) and felt the new design would solve the problem …but "Nothing is infallible." I have good 5mm neoprenes, but roast in them, maybe I’ll try some 3mm, or a second pair of cheaper breathables for when I drift rivers in the watermaster or fish still waters using it Then again, maybe I’ll just use the Simms and end up with a sad tale, or great product testimonial —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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hehe …sorry most of the outdoorsmen I know aren’t that sensitive. I’ll be more careful in the future …. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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  If you have to hike long distances to get to your spots and you wear   your waders, you’ll eventually blow out the seams or the neoprene in the   feet. More and more, I find myself packing my waders and a pair of   lightweight boots until I get there.   That’s where most of my wear comes from. You can go through lots of felts that way. I also wear out the insides of the legs of my waders. Like you pointed out to me, I sound like a kid with new corduroys when I walk in my waders. I think I’ll continue to wear them out this way because I don’t like to fish with a pack on my back and I’m either too absent minded or get too preoccupied when fishing to remember picking up a pack when I put it down. Willi

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FWIW, I just this minute called Simms and the nice lady told me that "guide input" was a a reason the G3’s will have a greatly tougher "rear" and, implied that they have had problems with the membrane breaking down under lots of "kickboat" use ( rowing a drift boat would be the same, btw ) and felt the new design would solve the problem …but "Nothing is infallible."

Blaze orange neoprene butt pads ought to be integral to every pair of waders – that is if you don;t mind looking like an orangutan in heat. Mu

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This one’s easy, never eat olestra while flyfishing. Your pal, — TBone

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Why bright orange ?   Hunters ? Not a bad idea. A camper got shot on the AT here in Georgia the other day. I was surprised to learn that it is even legal to shoot *from* the trail. — Charlie…

Much of the Appalachian Trail is on private property and exists there only by the grace of individual land owners.  Where this is the case, I suspect that by and large it’s use is not governed by any official regulation beyond that which applies to private land use in general.  Where one may or may not discharge a firearm legally probably varies somewhat from state to state, but here in Wisconsin hiking trails on private property are not subject to the same restrictions as say, improved roads, where one may not shoot from the road surface itself or anywhere within a certain distance from it.  I’m guessing that most states are similar in this regard. Wolfgang

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Much of the Appalachian Trail is on private property and exists there only by the grace of individual land owners.  Where this is the case, I suspect that by and large it’s use is not governed by any official regulation beyond that which applies to private land use in general.  Where one may or may not discharge a firearm legally probably varies somewhat from state to state, but here in Wisconsin hiking trails on private property are not subject to the same restrictions as say, improved roads, where one may not shoot from the road surface itself or anywhere within a certain distance from it.  I’m guessing that most states are similar in this regard.

I’m sure you are correct. I said I was surprised, not shocked, simply because I hadn’t thought it through. I often fish close to the trail and had a misguided sense that I was safer there than away from it. It makes perfect sense, though, that hunters would also use the trail for access, etc. — Charlie…

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 I’ve heard gunshots the last two times I was out fishing.  Made me wish that I had put some orange reflective tape  on the back of my wading jacket, as I’ve been meaning  to, for the past year

Same thing happened here last week. I forgot it was the first day of firearms season for deer. Heard three gunshots during while on the stream, and also wished I had a blaze orange hat or jacket. To top it off, this was the first time in about three years that I had fished this particular stretch of water, and I hoped the fishing had improved. It hadn’t. Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same thing happened here last week. I forgot it was the first day of firearms season for deer. Heard three gunshots during while on the stream, and also wished I had a blaze orange hat or jacket. To top it off, this was the first time in about three years that I had fished this particular stretch of water, and I hoped the fishing had improved. It hadn’t. Bob  The stretch of water Scott and I were on, according  to various and sundry Highly Reliable Witnesses we  ran into, was great fishing two weeks before, one week  before, the previous Tuesday, the previous Thursday  and hell, even the day before, and … you know the  punchline.  Remove "XYZ" from email address

But we did hear gunshots!!! — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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I read this and thought "Who nicked the duck?"

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Hi All, Another story: I had a custom is this fall who was going to Montana and wanted new waders for the trip. He said he had bought 3 different under $200 brands of imported waders (which I won’t mention) over the past few years and had problems with them all because he was a very active stream fly fisher. He said some of the ffing guides he has met and some of his friends bragged about the Simms Guide model Gore-Tex waders so he was going to finally move up to them ($330US for 2003). If you actually fish a lot and are young and/or strong,  you will good through most entry level products. Many ffers don’t actually get out much, so the less expensive gear works for them. Actually, you can now buy a "made in USA" breathable wader from Simms that is leak tested at their plant in Montana for $149US. This should out sell most all the sub-$200 imports. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Another story: I had a custom is this fall who was going to Montana and wanted new waders for the trip. He said he had bought 3 different under $200 brands of imported waders (which I won’t mention) over the past few years and had problems with them all because he was a very active stream fly fisher. He said some of the ffing guides he has met and some of his friends bragged about the Simms Guide model Gore-Tex waders so he was going to finally move up to them ($330US for 2003). If you actually fish a lot and are young and/or strong,  you will good through most entry level products. Many ffers don’t actually get out much, so the less expensive gear works for them.

I find that what’s hell on waders isn’t wading — it’s hiking through lots of prickly stuff, like wild roses and blackberries, and falling on your ass (no "butt leaks" yet, however). I look for pinhole leaks about every half dozen times I fish on my homewaters. If you have to hike long distances to get to your spots and you wear your waders, you’ll eventually blow out the seams or the neoprene in the feet. More and more, I find myself packing my waders and a pair of lightweight boots until I get there.

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I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<snip Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use?

I have a pair of Simms Guide Weights that I’ve used a fair amount in my float tube without any leak problems in the butt area.  However, because I thought that that might be a problem for any breathables, I always wear an old worn out pair of neoprenes from which I’ve cut off most of the legs and left only enough of the top portion for the suspenders (looks like a pair of lederhosen) over the breathables. Bob Weinberger

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I’ve never had a "butt leak" (an unfelicitous phrase, if ever I’ve heard one) in my Simm’s breathable waders, and I do quite a bit of float tubing. But then, I only get a about two years of use from a pair. I think my hard use trashes them before "butt leaks" ever have a chance to develop.

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When you sit are they tight? You might be putting udo stress on the fabric.. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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If a person were to find themselves in Puerto Vallarta for a week, how, and where would one go about arranging to fly fish?  What equipment would you be able (or should) take with you?  What does a charter cost?  etc. Thanks, Steve

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I’d take a 10 or 9 wt.  Prefer at 10.  Take a sinking line and a floater and a basket.  Take flies surf fishermen use in california and big poppers.  You may not be able to find an experienced fly guide but you can catch fish. Possibilities should include Roosters, and Dorado,  Robalo (Snook),  Corvina (like a Red but in the surf and tricker.)  You may have to guide the guide but you should be able to find a Panga and a guia who can find fish.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If a person were to find themselves in Puerto Vallarta for a week, how, and where would one go about arranging to fly fish?  What equipment would you be able (or should) take with you?  What does a charter cost?  etc. Thanks, Steve

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MR  Neeley  There are a number of charter boats at PV . You  will truely be in a fishing paradise . PLEASE take advantage of every moment .,  I have seen little kids go out on dugout like  canoes and catch 20 pound dolphin , on hand lines . The other pratice it for the locals to go out in their long boats with nets streches inbetween the boats . they can   vacumm a bay in a matter of hours . the bottom there is rocky , with the shore line with small pebbles . and some sand thrown in too . In addition to a fly rod i would bring a nice  light tackle spin outfit …and a good  a medium action bait reel.. i use the penn 965 . For Fly fishing i would  go to a  a surfing hot spot north of town called Punta de Mita .  there is a little bay right at the point . .  Wade out like 100 yards , on the rocky  bottom , and climb on top on one of the many bolders in the surf . In the incoming tide you can cast 360 degrees above and out of the water . It is unlimited what you can catch there in about 4 feet of water , but it includes , rock bass , little tuna , dolphin , and tarpon . I have seen sharks there also . The wave will come in and the water will be 6 feet deep , and as it passes  the water level will drop 2 feet. I have had the most luck in a incoming tide . In fact it is like a light switch .  Plug fishing is really great too .I like the small two gang  hook mirrorlures . The bottom is rocky , you have to have a very tough leader . Also , it is a long walk out , be sure to talk everything you need , cause it takes a while to walk back inshore .  Also just north of town , where  the ferry docks are , there is a great jetty , which is good for typical jetty fishig .   The boats there are , or have been quite old , all wood , look like they were made in the 30’s . BUT  this is slowly getting better. But their fishing gear on the boat is all very heavy duty . They are great guys , and will fish the way you want if you want to tease a fish and cast a fly at it . The marlin are only a few miles off shore .  This is a paradise , research it , and make the most out of your trip . Hale Savannah

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you.

I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose…

OUCH!  I think I’d rather be hanged.  :-)      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Aloha Bob, Feather-Craft Fly Fishing of St. Louis has one of these in their catalog: Item 621. FLYFISH NECK LANYARD features a super-comfortable neck pad with a dual break away design (no way to hang yourself in this one). Four swivel snaps … yadda yadda yadda. A must for float tubers ! and so on and so forth. http://www.flyfishamerica.com/Ads/National/FeatherCraft98JF.html — Ken Fortenberry

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You’re an animal Timbo Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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one question…. where do you hang your priest? waldo

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I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left.

    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty. JE

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one question…. where do you hang your priest?

Why would I need two ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken If I remember right they have a fairly low test breaking point built in.

              Jim

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[deleted]    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty.

How was Delaney ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Well I made mine with some fishing beads and other beads and some snaffles for casting tackle.  Of course if you want to pay $30 to 40 bucks,…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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They’re called lanyards.  I’ve seen them used in the salt and by some steelhead guides.  Make one. Use a piece of wire leader mtl., about 60+lb; cut some 2"/3" pieces of thin vinyl tubing.  Slip on a clip, a pc of tubing, a clip, tubing, etc..  Put the cable together with crimp sleeves, cover it with a pc of vinyl and go fish. BTW; make the thing big enough that you can pull your head out of it if it got caught on something.  Heard of a fellow…Ah, long story. BB

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I usually wear my best pearl string. But if you ask the ‘dudes’ out here they’ll tell you they usually wear a snot covered faded bandana. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. Aloha – bob    ooo_ — http://www.aloha.net/~bgraham

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Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Bob you naughty boy, don’t you know you can get leather thongs & beads at an arts & craft store  An alternative to leather is to use a boot lace. Lot’s of great stuff at the crafts stores BTW (for less than the cost at fly shops).  Speaking of beads, beading wire is useful for ribbing on nymphs.  Also available at craft stores are 5 mm pom poms for mini glo-bugs, 1/4" elastic for making leader spool tenders, doll eyes for streamers, etc.   Some bead stores are popping up at shopping malls; metallic alphabet beads to spell out your name or initials are a nice touch.  You can get the zingers and clippers at the fly shop.  I don’t like wearing my fishing necklace anymore since it tends to get in the way of my chest pack but if you wear a vest such a device can be very convenient. Mu Young Lee      Ann Arbor, MI   USA

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Hi.  I’m fairly new to southern Erie County, NY.  I’ve heard that there is nice salmon fishing in Eighteen Mile Creek in the fall, and I’d like to prepare.  Is anyone out here familiar with this water?  I am interested in when, where, and how (with what).  I am fairly familiar with it from Lake Erie to the big fork.  Would really appreciate any advice or even a partner.  (have chests wades and a small 4wd)  Could do either fly/spin/livebait).  Thanks again for any help.                                         Michael Kankiewicz                                         Business / Government Documents                                         Lockwood Memorial Library                                         University at Buffalo

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Hi Mike, I take it you attend U.B since your sending this from the grad library . 18 mile is nit really a good chinook salmon tributary. actually the chinook salmon  population is fairly limited in all of lake erie. You will some coho salmon in 18 and other lake erie tributaries but most of all you will find steelhead. The primary tackle on 18 is egg sacks for steelhead,power bait. I float fish for steelhead with a 13 ft rod and a centerpin float reel as they do in canada. i also fly fish . if you fly fish on 18 i suggest small flies size 8 thru 10 egg sucking leaches,  size 8 glow bugs. at time the current can be slow esp in winter and water gin clear you may want to use a small float for strike indicator.Since your new to the area i suggest you go to the book store to pick up the sanders guide -which will give you all the spots in the area. If your still interest in chinook try oak orachard creek in orleans county,18 mile creek in niagara county or the lower niagara itself–lake ontario has larger population of chinooks-which proably will show up by end of september.If you dont mind taking a long ride say for a weekend there is the salmon river north of syracuse–you proably already know about that RIVERS REPUTATION AS WORLD CLASS. I hope this helps e mail if you have more questions.

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Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

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says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

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In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

Of course I’m refering to the fishing – this is rec.outdoors.fishing.fly NOT italy.as.a.country.sucks Mike

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Hi Group– Well there’s now a pro and a con posted re: clipping hackle.  As a beginner in both tying them and fishing them, I’d like to see more on this subject from more experienced fishers–what does Issac Walton think about it?  Not being able to justify 50 bucks "for a bunch of feathers" to my dubious spouse, I don’t have many Metz primo capes, so I’m always snipping away at my creations.  (The height of my success as a tyer so far came when she swatted a fly I had in my vice–I call it a size 14 Blue-Green Bent Hook Flathead Roadkill). Anyway, should I add clipped hackle to my list of tying blunders?

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Yes, it is kind of a hassle to tie both wieghted and unweighted flies and keep them separated in your fly boxes.  Using both has allowed me to catch fish when the traditional nymph patterns would not produce.

No hassle of they are colour-coded by tying thread.  My weighted nymphs are all tied with red thread, easy to see;  if I were a closer imitationist I could choose between black, tan and olive. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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No hassle of they are colour-coded by tying thread.  My weighted nymphs are all tied with red thread, easy to see;  if I were a closer imitationist I could choose between black, tan and olive. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

Don, I do the same color coding with one small difference. I lead all my hooks first and use the color coded thread which I wrap down the bend of the hook a little. So, when I look in the flybox all I have to do is look under their little tails to see how I weighted them…   I know someone will come up with a good joke about looking under their tails (:^ Frank

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Don, I do the same color coding with one small difference. I lead all my hooks first and use the color coded thread which I wrap down the bend of the hook a little. So, when I look in the flybox all I have to do is look under their little tails to see how I weighted them… I know someone will come up with a good joke about looking under their tails (:^ Frank

Oh, I get it, Frank.  Sort of a variation on a lead-ass!  My father used to always call me that.  Now I know what he was talking about– the color of my underpants, which must have stuck out above my pants.  :^) (Sorry, best I could do under pressure.) :^( Charley

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        For slow to medium water, I’ve clipped a ^ into the bottom of the hackle for years. When I’m doing so, I deliberately use a hackle which is too long so that when trimmed will be the proper length.         The benefits of doing this are twofold. It sits very well on the water and has a terrific footprint on the water. A mayfly at rest on the water has long legs out to the side – not underneath it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well there’s now a pro and a con posted re: clipping hackle. When I started tying we had only Chinese and Idia necks.  We would have killed for a Metz #3 rooster neck.  Today they are around $30 and some shops split them in half or you might split one with a buddy. If you keep it away from bugs or you house pets they usually work to be a good long term investment with dries around $1.75 per each.  The most popular color is natural brown and then Grizzly.  Get some Pantone pens for coloring your Grizzly or Creme hackle in a pinch.  I haven’t clipped any hackle before, at least not on purpose, but I done think it would sit up like the natural ends.  Bill Kiene  Kiene’s Fly Shop  Sacramento, Ca.

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Well there’s now a pro and a con posted re: clipping hackle.

When I started tying we had only Chinese and Idia necks.  We would have killed for a Metz #3 rooster neck.  Today they are around $30 and some shops split them in half or you might split one with a buddy. If you keep it away from bugs or you house pets they usually work to be a good long term investment with dries around $1.75 per each.  The most popular color is natural brown and then Grizzly.  Get some Pantone pens for coloring your Grizzly or Creme hackle in a pinch.  I haven’t clipped any hackle before, at least not on purpose, but I done think it would sit up like the natural ends.  Bill Kiene  Kiene’s Fly Shop  Sacramento, Ca.

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Well can anyone out there give me a rule of thumb for weighting nymphs? My method in the past has been to first not weight the nymph itself so that it tumbled in the water more naturally.  I added weight (lead shot) about 8 inches up the tipet until JUST before my indicator would studder as the weight and nymph would drag the bottom.  I have always caught fish that way.  So I am fishing with this rookie who fished his nymph with no weight under an indicator.  I thought his nymph would never get anywhere near the bottom.  He started hooking fish and I was dry, both of us using the same PTs I had tied!.  Should I rething my nymphing strategy?  Can a nymph  act and be fished as an emerger with no modifications?  I’m thinking that these fish were wanting emergers and that my method for weighting is still very sound.  Opinions appreciated.  And please!  "No sticking to dry flys" cracks.

My experience in nymphing is that you should be prepared to offer both weighted and unweighted nymphs to actively feeding fish.  There are occasions when fish key on rising/hatching nymphs,  and virtually ignore bottom dwelling creatures even though they are plentiful. I try to tie my nymph flies to cover the full life cycle of the insect.  Something as simple as adding an emerging wing to a nymph can dramatically increase the effectiveness of a particular fly when nymphs are in transitional stage. As a rule of thumb for small nymphs (#14-#22) I add only enough weight to sink the fly a few inches.  I can always add or remove split shot to achieve the desired sink rate. Yes, it is kind of a hassle to tie both wieghted and unweighted flies and keep them separated in your fly boxes.  Using both has allowed me to catch fish when the traditional nymph patterns would not produce. I hope this helps. Bryan Bonds White River Anglers htttp://www.ipa.net/~bbonds Fayetteville, Ar

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:  (The height of my success as a tyer : so far came when she swatted a fly I had in my vice–I call it a size : 14 Blue-Green Bent Hook Flathead Roadkill).   Congratulations, Lee! Not often that the average joe can come up with a new pattern! You may want to publish it.  ;-  Anyway, should I add clipped hackle to my list of tying blunders?  My opinion, yes. It changes the appearnce of the fly. The fine tips of a natural feather make a difference in the silhoette and the floatabily. You may want to consider cheaper necks for now. The expensive one _are_ cheaper in the long run. More feathers per buck and fewer "bad" feathers per neck. The price is high to start though. Jon Porter

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Well can anyone out there give me a rule of thumb for weighting nymphs? My method in the past has been to first not weight the nymph itself so that it tumbled in the water more naturally.  I added weight (lead shot) about 8 inches up the tipet until JUST before my indicator would studder as the weight and nymph would drag the bottom.  I have always caught fish

[deleted] personally, i do not use my indicators like bobbers, constantly adjusting the weight until the perfect balance is acheived.  i much prefer using 3 to 5 tiny blobs of flourescent plastic indicator material (the sheet peel off types, not the big honking round versions of these…), Cortlands cut in 1/4ths or 1/6ths.  One right at the butt section/line connection and then spaced at 6-10 inch intervals.  this allows me to gauge… 1) depth of bug 2) directionality of leader 3) speed of drift 4) directionality of drift So you add some shot to get down and drown one or two of the indicators, so what …you can still see them under the water and see what attitude your your line is in relative to all the other variables. When you see a trout charge one of your sunken blobs of indicator you can switch to some kind of emerger and sagely pretend that you figured it out. Good fishing, Tim Walker

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…looks like it has great potential as a fly fishing stream.  Do you know where it is? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Nice cuts and one can actually walk away from the roads. Moose, Elk, Deer and an occasional bear (grizzly) pask

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I’m planning to drive up from L.A. to spend a couple of days fishing the Owens.  Would appreciate any help regarding good places to fish, patterns, etc.   David Sheffield

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I’m planning to drive up from L.A. to spend a couple of days fishing the Owens.  Would appreciate any help regarding good places to fish, patterns, etc.   David Sheffield

You should pick up a current copy of California Fly Fisher at your local fly shop.  There is a good article with all this info. The gist of it:  try #14-16 nymphs (pheasant tails, hare’s ears, etc), wooly buggers, and have some small caddis and midge dries too.  Fish anywhere between Pleasant Valley Rreservoir and Bishop. Use a long tippet and drift it downstream as the trout are line wary. Fish the undercuts and riffles as well as the pools where the fish are more obvious. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Does anyone on this newsgroup have current information on saltwater flyfishing at Christmas (Kiribati) Island?  In 1979 I spent some time on the island doing anthropological research and found the bonefishing fantastic.  They were interested at that time in promoting the sportfishing, especially the saltwater flyfishing from the reef.  There have been a couple of articles on the sportfishing in the mid ’80s but I haven’t seen anything recently. — Los Angeles Maritime Museum                                               NETCOM, the West Coast’s Leading Internet Service Provider.      (408) 554-8649

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I have been twice in 1988 and dec. 1994. It is the best bone fishing i have found for numbers of fish. I was there in Sept. of 88 and Dec. of 94. Largest of the two trips was 30 inches. Most weigh about 2-3 pounds. Good food and native guides are fine. I would suggest u hire an extra guide for yourself or for you and a friend if anyone goes with you. A young guide, NAREAU is the best I have used. MOANNA the most famous is now into the bottle pretty heavy and on our last trip he was quite undependable. If you need any other suggestions let me know. I would only book through FRONTIERS in Medford, Penna. good luck. Jack.

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Does anyone on this newsgroup have current information on saltwater flyfishing at Christmas (Kiribati) Island?  In 1979 I spent some time on the island doing anthropological research and found the bonefishing fantastic.  They were interested at that time in promoting the sportfishing, especially the saltwater flyfishing from the reef.  There have been a couple of articles on the sportfishing in the mid ’80s but I haven’t seen anything recently. —

Los Angeles Maritime Museum                                               NETCOM, the West Coast’s Leading Internet Service Provider.      (408)

554-8649 Regarding bone fishing on Christmas Island:  my husband and several of the other members of the Santa Cruz Fly Fishermen fished there last January. They booked their trip through a group called Fishabout, located in Los Gatos.  They have a P.O. Box:  1679, Los Gatos, CA 95031.  Contact either Howard McKinney or Kay Mitsyoshi, at 1-800-409-2000.  The group flew to Honolulu, then transferred to Air Nahru to Kiribati.  Their accomodations were in a small hotel, and their guides took them by boat out to the flats, where they fished, accompanied by the guide.  Everyone reported fine fishing and were satisfied with the package, so Kiribati is having some success promoting their bonefishing. Yours, Pat Steele

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Give any of the destination fly shops a call.  Christmas Island is a very popular bone destination these days.  I would reccomend The Fly Shop in Redding,  CA.  Ask for Mike, the owner… Good Luck, Mad Dog

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Kaufmann’s Streamborn has a lot of good information and experience with Christmas Island.  They have a great color catalog that you can full color photos of lots of travel destinations including Christmas Island.  They’ve got a new web page at http://www.teleport.com/~kman  You can also call them at 800/442-4359, and ask for Jerry.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anyone on this newsgroup have current information on saltwater flyfishing at Christmas (Kiribati) Island?  In 1979 I spent some time on the island doing anthropological research and found the bonefishing fantastic.  They were interested at that time in promoting the sportfishing, especially the saltwater flyfishing from the reef.  There have been a couple of articles on the sportfishing in the mid ’80s but I haven’t seen anything recently. — Los Angeles Maritime Museum                                               NETCOM, the West Coast’s Leading Internet Service Provider.      (408) 554-8649

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                                                                    The thing that got me was that i read Lyman Hugh’s response, when he stated that he was always disappointed to see them on the end of the line.  My question is, if the fish fight well (which they really do), and if they aren’t too ugly (which, in my book, they’re not), then why the disappointmentR?

A)…..white fish can’t jump! B)…..they fight hard for few moments, and then poop out, perhaps        because their mouths are so small, so they run out of oxygen        faster. C)…..they’re good smoked, a delicacy, in fact. Because of their        oily flesh, they take the smoke better. (But they’re hard to        keep lit). —

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I’m pretty sure you are now talking about 2 different species of fish. The whitefish in Montana looks a lot like a grayling/sucker, relatively long and thin.  The Great Lakes whitefish, a delicacy, is a chunky, somewhat oily fish that is a high-priced restaurant meal, commercially netted.  I have caught them in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area, rising at dusk to the white may flies that come in August.  They are usually broiled with paprika, andthe fillets are delicious. Whitefish are sought after up here in Ontario. You guys don’t know what

you’re missing. They fillet great and are also stuffed/baked. They must be good ifthey are sold commeircially here but I get mine thru the ice on Simcoe andwould rank them behind crappie and walleye in terms of tastiness They – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -will also hit minnows and jigs. — Richard Park    

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Well, I ditched work for the afternoon yesterday and ventured out upon the local waters and managed to catch my first brown trout (2 of ‘em, actually — I’m a novice ffisherman).  I also caught a mountain whitefish.  I’ve caught a couple of whitefish now.  The fishing proclamation calls them gamefish here in Utah, but to my knowledge, most fishermen treat them as trash fish.

Jay, I’ve caught mountain whitefish and a couple of species of lake w’fish. They taste just fine. Despite the scales, they’re salmonids (as are grayling). The mountain species lives in substantially the same waters as trout, eats almost the same stuff, and fights quite respectably. Unfortunately, there is a perception on some waters that fish fall into one of two categories (trout & trash). Sad — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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inhis posting on whitefish, Jay stated The fishing proclamation calls them gamefish here in Utah, but to my knowledge, most fishermen treat them as trash fish. Does anyone know if whitefish are edible?  (Well, of *course* they’re edible, but does anybody purposely fish for them and take them home for supper?)

     Whitefish are excellent eating, and they are truly wonderful smoked, which is easy to do. There is a good article and recipe in the latest issue of Big Sky Journal. Whitefish are best eaten when caught in the colder weather months, i.e. November through April.       In addition, whitefish provide some pretty good sport to any Ffisher with an open mind. They take dry flies, love nymphs, and fight respectably. They are NOT a trash fish. The term Trash Fish usually conjures up images of fish species that take over sections of river that become either too warm or too polluted to sustain hte more desireable game fish.  Also, trash fish are often accused, either rightly or wrongly,  of having a negative impact on trout or other gamefish populations, which is certainly not the case with Whitefish.      Whitefish, require the same pristine river conditions that trout do. Chances are that a river that can no longer sustain breeding trout populations can’t sustain whitefish either. They too are an indicator species for water quality. Finally they are a member of the overall family of which trout are also members, like second or third cousins, so they cant be all bad!  I wish trout fishermen who catch them would stop throwing them on the banks to die needlessly, and either return them to the rivers or take them home and make use out of them Dale Owens

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Well, Me and my girlfriend caught a couple on accident while fishing for crappie.  We took it home, and filleted them.  We froze them and then took them out of the freezer to thaw.  The thawed for a while (we went somewhere that weekend), and when we came back, they were ruined.  They filleted real nicely and had a lot of boneless meat to them, so They would not be a problem to try them and see if they are any good.  I hear they are good smoked.  We hear about them all the time in our hunting and fishing news, they are active about the same time the other fishes are spawning (they eat eggs).  People catch them on whitefish flies (what are whitefish flies), and also with a maggot on the fly.  This did not answer the question, but had to say my piece.

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Whitefish are sought after up here in Ontario. You guys don’t know what you’re missing. They fillet great and are also stuffed/baked. They must be good if they are sold commeircially here but I get mine thru the ice on Simcoe and would rank them behind crappie and walleye in terms of tastiness They will also hit minnows and jigs. — Richard Park    

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.. would not be a problem to try them and see if they are any good.  I hear they are good smoked. …

I really like them smoked (although a lot of bones, but I don’t mind) … Peter

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Jay  Clibern writes:

"The fishing proclamation calls them gamefish here in Utah, but to my knowledge, most fishermen treat them as trash fish. Does anyone know if whitefish are edible?  (Well, of *course* they’re edible, but does anybody purposely fish for them and take them home for supper?)" Jay – As ugly as they are, they are edible – smoked is the only way that I know of.  I can’t say I am a big fan, but lots of folks like them.  If you fish around Ennis, MT on the Madison, you can take 4 or 5 (or fewer) whitefish into the Resvedts Meat market, give them a fish and a dollar for each fish, and they will give you an already smoked whitefish. A big surprise to me is the fact that the whitefish is part of the trout family.  Hard to believe.  I don’t like whitefish (could you tell?), and to me nothing is as frustration as thinking you ahve a big trout on the line only to see that slimey rubber lipped head appear.  But that’s ony one man’s opinion. Lyman Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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The round whitefish is another Great Lakes species. Locally they are called "Menominee." I catch them off Michigan piers in October to freeze up. In 1994 I fished as late as after Christmas. They bite on a single poached salmon egg on the bottom. They are timid biters and the real trick is to know when they are after the bait. My family considers them delicious. Incidently, nobody fishes for them on the Wisconsin side of the lake. Wisconsin comercial fishermen net them but I’ve never seen anyone fishing for them in the Michigan manner.

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you are correct about the Lake witefishes.  But the mountain whitefish of the Rockies and the Truckee drainage in California/Nevada ( The answer to a trivia question about distribution of Western Salomids before coming of the european )  are a completely different case then the  whitefish of the Great Lakes.        The Mountain Whitefish, otherwise Known as Salmo ( as they are a salmonid )  Carpi, have been extending their range.  It seams that with all the "progress"  and the wonderful benefit that strip mining brings to the landscape and the stream.  That the Mountain Whitefish is able to withstand the rapid changes in its environment, better then the trout.

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I think that all the answers to the original note follow pretty much what I have read and heard about Whitefish.  I have just one other thought.  I am a catch-and-releaser, mainly because I really don’t like trout that much.  But that’s another story.  I have caught a zillion whitefish in Montana and Wyoming and I can truly say that in most cases I didn’t know they were whitefish until I got them up close in the stream.  That says that they gave me the fight I was looking for and if you don’t keep the fish, what difference does it make if it isn’t a trout but gives you pleasure in catching it?  I’ll have to admit I’m always a little disappointed when I see it’s not a trout since I came to catch trout.  But – accept the fun of the catch and the fight and enjoy the experience. John B. in Mpls..

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Re: white fish-Not to rehash other wf remarks, but … they do fight well and taste great! Have caught them in Madison fried them for breakfast and grilled them. Meat is white and chunky. I caught 16 last year on dry files in about 30 minutes. Way to tell if guy down stream has a wf, the rod tip will jiggle up and down and trout have more steady bend. I got ‘em, turned away from crowd to release them, still in water and everyone thought I was catching trout!!! Was fun.

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