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<SNIP the eye, put marabou collars on them, and finished with a built-up epoxy head).   The fishhair stood up, but the marabou got creamed. What would be a good recipe for my needs and what would be a good collar substitute?  Thanks, Adam

Go to your local hardware store, have a  look at the synthetic cords.  They come in a whole range of colours, including fluorescents. When shredded and combed out, ( Use a wire brush),these make indestructible wings for flies. Use short bits for the collars. The stuff does not soak up water, and is easy to cast. TL MC

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Going to fly fish for big peacock bass in the Amazon this October.  Problem is that you have to throw flies all day long, using anywhere from an 8 to a 10/11 wt. rod.  Now, the traditional flies are usually at least 6-8" long and damn wind resistant.  So you get the idea about having your arm replaced at the end of each day. Anyway, I’d like to make up a mess of 6" streamers that will have a nice profile, but yet be not too wind resistant.  One suggestion was to pattern them after Deceivers, but without feathers (as the peacocks will rip them up pronto).  I’m not the greatest tyer and I look to make the flies pretty much down and dirty.  These fish are so aggressive that one doesn’t need to be fancy with their tying.  So, I’d like some help with the type of materials to use that will give me the profile and yet be easy to throw.  Also, I would imagine that if one was to make a deceiver sans feathers, once again certain materials would be better than others.  For example, I’ve fish the peacock in Venezuela (fish went up to 17#), and made relatively thin streamers out of fishhair or bozo hair (just tied on several different colors behind the eye, put marabou collars on them, and finished with a built-up epoxy head).   The fishhair stood up, but the marabou got creamed. What would be a good recipe for my needs and what would be a good collar substitute?  Thanks, Adam

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He just doesn’t like big trout when *I* catch them.

And don’t forget the pictures….  Those damn pictures!!!! — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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He just doesn’t like big trout when *I* catch them. And don’t forget the pictures….  Those damn pictures!!!!

Yeah, the poorly composed ones. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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And don’t forget the pictures….  Those damn pictures!!!!

Yeah, the poorly composed ones.<   And taken with an (ugh) digital camera.  <g   Harry  

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now I’m not so sure that we shouldn’t dam the fuck out of Colorado. It’s not anything like watersheds with anadromous species. Horseshit. Explain please. Simple. Free flowing rivers are beautiful, natural things that aren’t improved by a concrete dam.

While I was referring to blockage of migration of anadromous species as farily sound ecological detriment to damming watercourse, you went another way. You cited the beauty of the free flowing rivers, to which there can be absolutely no doubt. This remains an irony however, given your original thread’s posit, that the river levels are down, very warm and fish kill is imminent. By your own description the beauty of nature left untamed must, therefore, include fish kill, drought and fire as a part of the composition. So let’s stop bitching. Let all of the fucking californimported fish die and we’ll just call it "part of the beauty of nature"?. And that, Willi, is fine by me. Wanna know something else that is beautiful, though, Willi ? (of course these things are probably best left up to eye of the beholder) wooden sailboats luffing in the calm of a fire orange sunset on the image that is a Dillon Lake, Colorado postcard. Your pal, — TBone

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i am astonished that someone not directly involved in that conflict actually understands the enormous cost it has been to this country.

Not directly involved ? We are all directly involved, most people are just too stupid to recognize it. OBROFF: The helicopter made for some morose entertainment yesterday as it returned time and again for it’s bucket of water from Pinewood Reservoir. Spork, The Wonder Weiner Dog, and I went fishless. There are lakes in Colorado where the bag limits have been removed. They’re gonna dry up. Might as well harvest the meat that’s there. Your pal, — TBone

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And don’t forget the pictures….  Those damn pictures!!!! Yeah, the poorly composed ones.<   And taken with an (ugh) digital camera.  <g  

The shame of it all… — I fly fish so therefore I am.

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1. We get great tailwaters for fishing big trout.  It appears that Wolfgang liks BIG trout, so this would be a good benefit for travelling fly fisherman to Colorado.

He just doesn’t like big trout when *I* catch them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Locally, the fishing is more like mid Summer than like runoff that would be typical for this time of year. My home river is warm enough to wade wet comfortably. During the heat of a warm day, the water is only cool. I’ve been fishing this stretch of river for fifteen years and conditions are the worst I’ve seen for this time of year. Although my home river is at low elevation, reports from across the State have echoed what I’m seeing here locally. I’m concerned about wide spread, heavy fish kills. Question for you guys in Montana. When you had your "drought" and fish kills were predicted, did they occur? If they did, what was the extent? Willi

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I’m concerned about wide spread, heavy fish kills. Question for you guys in Montana. When you had your "drought" and fish kills were predicted, did they occur? If they did, what was the extent?

They predicted fish kills but were able to regulate the water well enough on most rivers that fish kills were minor from what I heard.  Thankfully I never saw any fish kills on any of the rivers I fish.  One of the biggest problems faced was enforcing the water rights because some people who were not entitled to any water were drawing water.  Some conservation groups were able to convince a few people with water rights not to take their full share of water in order to prevent major fish kills on the Gallatin and something similar was done on the Big Hole to avert disaster there.  Apparently it worked because they were especially proud of the job done on the Big Hole.  When Marshall Krasser came out and we fished the Big Hole, the river seemed to be in pretty good shape to me.  That was the first time I had fished that river, but there seemed to be plenty of fish in there.  I think the upper reaches of that river were the hardest hit though. Tailwaters were another story.  During the summer things were actually decent, but they dropped the flows way down in the winter and had winter fish kills on some rivers.  The second hand info I heard was that very young fish were the hardest hit when flows were dropped down to levels like 24 cfs (on the river where we resorted to streamers).  Haven’t fished that river lately and am curious to see how it faired. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Locally, the fishing is more like mid Summer than like runoff that would be typical for this time of year. My home river is warm enough to wade wet comfortably. During the heat of a warm day, the water is only cool. I’ve been fishing this stretch of river for fifteen years and conditions are the worst I’ve seen for this time of year. Although my home river is at low elevation, reports from across the State have echoed what I’m seeing here locally. I’m concerned about wide spread, heavy fish kills. Question for you guys in Montana. When you had your "drought" and fish kills were predicted, did they occur? If they did, what was the extent? Willi

Yes, there were a couple of years when we did have fish kill that I recall. I don’t know if they were "predicted" but during 1988 and again in 1994 as well as last year and the year before (2001 and 2000), drought warnings were out and it was "advised" that fishermen restrict their fishing to waters that  were not so hard hit with regard to flow and temperature. As far as last year goes, I don’t know yet if FWP really has a handle on whether or not we had any extensive fish kill. I’m certain there had to be some mortality but to what extent, I don’t think is known. I would venture to say that most fish that died, did so on account of the stress induced from fishing. It has been my policy to cancel trips when it gets so bad. I began this policy after my experiences in 1988. The last float I took fishermen on during that season, I distinctly remember a nice fish coming up to the fly, taking it, half-heartedly thrashing for a second or two, and then rolling over on its side and just skate across the surface as the guy reeled him in. As I recall, the water temp was between 72 and 75 degrees. It was that particular fish that made me realize that fishing when the conditions were such was just going to hurt the fishery. Of course, there were (and still are) plenty of guides and outfitters who still take their customers out, even at the expense of the resource. I can think of one who, when I cancelled a Smith river 5-day float (and many others were doing the same), due to extremely low water, he went ahead and took his people on the scheduled trip. The flow was below 100 cfs which, for the the Smith, is a trickle. I’m sure those people had just a lovely time on their 62-mile DRAG. Warren, got your email but haven’t had time to respond yet. I’m presently in Georgia visiting family and won’t be home till July 1. I’ll try to compose a response before then. Off to fish the Hiwassee in Tennessee next week. Any one got any advice for this river? Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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I’m concerned about wide spread, heavy fish kills.

Perhaps this periodic event explains the absence of indignious trout of any kind in the N. Platte drainage (prior to stocking activities) <?. TBone

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m concerned about wide spread, heavy fish kills. Question for you guys in Montana. When you had your "drought" and fish kills were predicted, did they occur? If they did, what was the extent? They predicted fish kills but were able to regulate the water well enough on most rivers that fish kills were minor from what I heard.  Thankfully I never saw any fish kills on any of the rivers I fish.  One of the biggest problems faced was enforcing the water rights because some people who were not entitled to any water were drawing water.  Some conservation groups were able to convince a few people with water rights not to take their full share of water in order to prevent major fish kills on the Gallatin and something similar was done on the Big Hole to avert disaster there.  Apparently it worked because they were especially proud of the job done on the Big Hole.

Unfortunately, that isn’t even an option in Colorado. We have very antiquated water laws that several groups are presently attempting to change.    If a rancher or farmer chooses not to use his allotment of water, in order to leave water in the river or for any other reason, he stands to lose the right to this water in future. The statute is counter conservation of water. The same thing could happen if farmer chose to use a more efficient irrigation system. As the law now stands, water rights must be used only for a "beneficial use." Leaving water in the stream or river for recreational purposes, for the benefit of the fishes, etc. is not considered to be a "beneficial use." This means that conservation groups or individuals can’t buy water rights or a farmer can’t denote or sell water in order to supplement stream flows. Neither of these things apply to Montana. Some groups in Montana have purchased water rights in some small streams in order to increase water levels in the streams so they can support the spawning runs that run up them from larger rivers and provide habitat for the fry. There has been several successful programs utilizing this approach. Willi

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I’m concerned about wide spread, heavy fish kills. Perhaps this periodic event explains the absence of indignious trout of any kind in the N. Platte drainage (prior to stocking activities) <?.

That’s an interesting idea. A prolonged drought might have had that effect. The North Platte drainage is one of the few major drainages in the Rockies that didn’t support a population of indigenous trout that is now able to support a sustaining trout population. The present level of drought has the potential of being severely damaging to fish populations only because of irrigation usage. Willi

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Unfortunately, that isn’t even an option in Colorado.

<snipped Are there any organizations trying to fix Colorado’s stream access and water rights laws?  If so, I suggest you start helping them out in any way you possibly can and also encouraging people you know from out of state who fish Colorado to get involved as well.  Sportsmen and anglers are a large group that can be very "political" when united under a common cause. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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The present level of drought has the potential of being severely damaging to fish populations only because of irrigation usage.

True, but the overall steady state regarding available water is definately enhanced by the water storage and diversion projects. I used to have anti-Two Forks propoganda on my truck, now I’m not so sure that we shouldn’t dam the fuck out of Colorado. It’s not anything like watersheds with anadromous species. The other side of me cheers for the drought and the fires. Too many damned people, maybe they’ll leave. Colorado is a beautiful and fragile state that is already collapsing under this burden. The drought, the fires, should only serve to remind us clearly of this fact. Yet, one (of many things) that has me absolutely pissed off at our Federal/State Governments is the fact that, in this country, we have not properly addressed basic infrastructure regarding water. The money spent on the war on drugs could have funded a major public works effort in this regard. We should have a water pipeline grid and huge underground storage system. People with substance abuse problems can build it (and their lives and self-esteem) instead of languishing behind bars on our nickel while the farmer goes broke, the cost of food soars, my lawn dies, etc. This is just one aspect of the real cost of the war on drugs. There are many, many more. Including, entirely, September 11th, 2001. IMO. — TBone

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while the farmer goes broke, the cost of food

soars, my lawn dies, etc.<   Two outta three ain’t bad.   Harry TBone?  Meatloaf?  Hmmm!

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while the farmer goes broke, the cost of food soars, my lawn dies, etc.< Two outta three ain’t bad.

No sir. Two outta three am bad. — TBone

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http://wildlife.state.co.us/dowfish/index.asp  Prewitt Reservoir — Swimming, wading, boating, and fishing are banned at Prewitt State Wildlife Area until further notice due to a fish kill which is currently affecting the reservoir. This precautionary closure will stay in effect pending the diagnosis of the fish kill and recommendation by the Northeast Colorado Health Department. Fisheries experts believe the kill is being caused by a natural toxicity related to algae in the reservoir’s water. Closures do not apply to camping, wildlife watching, or hiking.

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True, but the overall steady state regarding available water is definately enhanced by the water storage and diversion projects. I used to have anti-Two Forks propoganda on my truck,

I thought the fishermen fighting Two Forks was kind of weird. They wanted to protect their cherished Cheeseman Canyon from getting flooded although the reason why it is such a productive fishery is that it is a tailwater. now I’m not so sure that we shouldn’t dam the fuck out of Colorado. It’s not anything like watersheds with anadromous species.

Horseshit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yet, one (of many things) that has me absolutely pissed off at our Federal/State Governments is the fact that, in this country, we have not properly addressed basic infrastructure regarding water. The money spent on the war on drugs could have funded a major public works effort in this regard. We should have a water pipeline grid and huge underground storage system. People with substance abuse problems can build it (and their lives and self-esteem) instead of languishing behind bars on our nickel while the farmer goes broke, the cost of food soars, my lawn dies, etc. This is just one aspect of the real cost of the war on drugs. There are many, many more. Including, entirely, September 11th, 2001. IMO. — TBone

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This is just one aspect of the real cost of the war on drugs. There are many, many more. Including, entirely, September 11th, 2001. IMO.

        i am astonished that someone not directly involved in that conflict actually understands the enormous cost it has been to this country. your friend in the old north state wayno

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now I’m not so sure that we shouldn’t dam the fuck out of Colorado. It’s not anything like watersheds with anadromous species. Horseshit.

Explain please. TBone

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now I’m not so sure that we shouldn’t dam the fuck out of Colorado. It’s not anything like watersheds with anadromous species. Horseshit. Explain please.

Perhaps dams are a good thing for fishing. 1. We get great tailwaters for fishing big trout.  It appears that Wolfgang liks BIG trout, so this would be a good benefit for travelling fly fisherman to Colorado. 2.  To create dams, it requires quite a bit of mining of limestone or similar to create the cement necessary.  Not only is limestone mined, but aggregate is also mined to mix with the lime to create the cement.   The by product of all these mines are nice urban, or semi-urban bass ponds and other warm water ponds that can be used for the hook and cooler crowd. — Welcome to Montana, now go home! (Bumpersticker)

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Perhaps this periodic event explains the absence of indignious trout of any kind in the N. Platte drainage (prior to stocking activities) <?.

Doubtful.  A drought event of sufficient severity to completely eliminate trout from the North Platte system most likely would have had the same effect on other systems near by, yet there are indigenous trout in the general area.   It is far more likely that trout (cutts) never made it in to the North Platte system.

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…….Too many damned people, maybe they’ll leave. Colorado is a beautiful and fragile state that is already collapsing under this burden……

I sense an opportunity to be a trend setter….a real leader….someone to look up to….just what you’ve always wanted. Wolfgang guilt debased the meal.

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now I’m not so sure that we shouldn’t dam the fuck out of Colorado. It’s not anything like watersheds with anadromous species. Horseshit. Explain please.

Simple. Free flowing rivers are beautiful, natural things that aren’t improved by a concrete dam. You’re a Colorado resident. Some things you might be interested in: Only 10% of agricultural land is irrigated Agriculture uses 94+% of the water used in Colorado This means that 94+% of the water used by the entire State for ALL uses for ALL people, is used on only 10% of the farm and ranch land. Agriculture and agricultural related businesses employ 2% of the people. Agricultural operations generate just over 1% of the States GAP (These statistics are from AG pages not anti AG propaganda) I’m not anti agricultural. Like you, I’m sure, I’d much rather have the farmers and ranches than the urban sprawl that’s taking over Colorado’s Front Range. However, I think there are alternatives to building more dams. Colorado water law is VERY complex and I don’t pretend to understand much of it. However, it is very antiquated and there are some changes, IMO, that need to be made. The "use it or loss it" law that forces farmers and ranchers to use "their quota" whether they need it that year or not, is one example. This gives the farmer/rancher NO incentive to conserve water. In fact, they are penalized if they do because they will lose the right to future use of the amount of water they conserved and lose its monetary value. When home developments or cities need more water rights for their residents, I’d like to see at least some of this water come from fees they would pay to farmers/ranchers to buy some of their water rights and to pay for more efficient irrigation and delivery systems for the farmer/ranchers. The majority of irrigation done in Colorado is flood irrigation which is VERY wasteful and most of the distribution is in open canals. The developers would get their water, the farmers/ranchers would still have the water they need because of improved irrigation/distribution techniques and the farmer/ranchers would get money by selling some of their water rights because they wouldn’t need as much. Willi

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Sure there’s a better way, but to all those who replied to my post. Many thanks I will follow it up. Mike…. Why not propitious?  ROFF? Where else did you see it? Ian So many questions, so little knowledge!!!

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What do you plan on doing with the bottom and top? Never seen a cane wading staff before…. like to se it when you done john

Actually the old US 10th Division WWII ski poles are made of split cane, like a kind of hell-for-stout cane rod. I’ve got a couple around and have been considering coverting one. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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Sure there’s a better way, but to all those who replied to my post. Many thanks I will follow it up. Mike…. Why not propitious?  ROFF? Where else did you see it? Ian So many questions, so little knowledge!!!

Too complex to explain the remark on the relative propitiousness of your question I am afraid, it would waste too much space, and probably not make much sense.  I believe I saw the post on one of the UK groups first. Probably uk.rec.fishing.game. ROFF is,  rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, and is an international group, although dominated by Americans.  You posted individually to the groups concerned, and so I realised it was not a troll etc, before I saw it on ROFF.  I replied to your e-mail because I was not certain which groups you read regularly, if at all, and you obviously really did want some info. TL MC

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Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help. I’m using the triangular formar method. The info I have is old so need to know what glues are best to use to a) hold the cane to the formar i.e it has to release with heat and b) to glue the cane. Having split the cane it has  side to side bows. i.e it zig zags. Should I straighten this and if so how or just cut oversize and plane straight thereby cutting across the grain more. My father used to build his own rods and I have acquired his cane and formars. I’m only doing it for interest and will only make a wading staff. Cheers  Ian

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Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help.

<SNIP Just as well I saw your post elsewhere before it arrived on ROFF.  Not exactly a propitious time to be asking about cane on here.  No way you could know that of course. You will find all you need here; http://www.teleport.com/~gord/canelink.shtml TL MC

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What do you plan on doing with the bottom and top? Never seen a cane wading staff before…. like to se it when you done john

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Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help.

<snip I’m only doing it for interest and will only make a wading staff.

Ian In my opinion, seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to make a wading staff (hell, for that matter, it’s a lot of trouble to go through to make a fishing pole )  It sounds like you already have the major tools that you need.  Go ahead and make yourself a rod.  It’s not that hard. Mike Connor already listed a very good reference link.  Let me recommend another.  The Rodmakers’ site has a wealth of information on building cane rods.  You might want to subscribe to the mailing list and pose some of your questions there.  I would recommend searching the rather extensive list archives first, however, since a lot of your questions may have already been asked and answered.  Here’s a link to the site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ As far a straitening goes, most people today use an electric heat gun to gently warm the bamboo.  This softens it and allows you to straighten it by hand or in a vise.  This is a fairly tedious and time consuming process. Regarding glues, the choices are too many to discuss here.  You will find many suggestions on the Rodmaker’s site. Good luck and have fun! Keith

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I’d highly recommend the  rodmakers mailing list. I did when building my first rod and got a lot of help from some very knowledgeable rod builders. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help. <snip I’m only doing it for interest and will only make a wading staff. Ian In my opinion, seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to make a wading staff (hell, for that matter, it’s a lot of trouble to go through to make a fishing pole )  It sounds like you already have the major tools that you need.  Go ahead and make yourself a rod.  It’s not that hard. Mike Connor already listed a very good reference link.  Let me recommend another.  The Rodmakers’ site has a wealth of information on building cane rods.  You might want to subscribe to the mailing list and pose some of your questions there.  I would recommend searching the rather extensive list archives first, however, since a lot of your questions may have already been asked and answered.  Here’s a link to the site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ As far a straitening goes, most people today use an electric heat gun to gently warm the bamboo.  This softens it and allows you to straighten it by hand or in a vise.  This is a fairly tedious and time consuming process. Regarding glues, the choices are too many to discuss here.  You will find many suggestions on the Rodmaker’s site. Good luck and have fun! Keith

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I’ve heard from a man that did it that building a fly rod, with the right equipment, can be done reasonably well and with about eight hours of work.  I’d like to invest in the tools and then spend a little less money and a lot more care making rods for myself and my spouse. Any recommendations on inexpensive tools of the trade?  What machines are necessary versus just a convenience?  The best rod building guide? And what to look out for on your first go? Lastly, which are the better of the less expensive blanks?  I’ve invested in fly fishing and fly tying and so I know that every fish I catch is worth about twelve bucks.  I’d like to get them down to around four dollars/fish some day, so I’d just as soon skip the five hundred dollar graphite blanks. Thanks for any info, Sean

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Rod Building Suppliers http://www.customtackle.com/                    Custom Tackle Supply http://www.mudhole.com                        Mudhole Custom Tackle http://www.shofftackle.com                Shoff Tackle http://www.angelfire.com/ks/bingham/     Bingham Enterprises http://www.anglersworkshop.com                Angler’s Workshop http://www.Cabelas.com                                Cabelas http://www.HuntersAngling.com                  Hunter’s Angling Supplies Expect to spend a minimum of $150 on equipment, closer to $250 for decent equipment. You’ll need a rod wrapper, finishing motor and stand, burnishing tool, exacto knife, epoxy, finish and syringes, mixing cups, thread St. Croix has an excellent reputation for quality inexpensive blanks. I’d have someone teach you the basics rather than learning solely from a book. Good luck, Ian McAllister Rodworks Seattle, WA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve heard from a man that did it that building a fly rod, with the right equipment, can be done reasonably well and with about eight hours of work.  I’d like to invest in the tools and then spend a little less money and a lot more care making rods for myself and my spouse. Any recommendations on inexpensive tools of the trade?  What machines are necessary versus just a convenience?  The best rod building guide? And what to look out for on your first go? Lastly, which are the better of the less expensive blanks?  I’ve invested in fly fishing and fly tying and so I know that every fish I catch is worth about twelve bucks.  I’d like to get them down to around four dollars/fish some day, so I’d just as soon skip the five hundred dollar graphite blanks. Thanks for any info, Sean

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Have a look at the rod building course at http://www.flyanglersonline.com that should help you out. TL MC

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While a rotisserie motor will serve the same purpose as a drying motor, it is the method of attachment between motor and blank that makes the real difference.  My first drying motor was a castoff from an old grill and could be made to work with a piece of all thread and masking tape to build up "bushings" to mount to the motor and the blank, but the problem is getting the blank and the motor shaft aligned so the rod rotates about it’s center rather than in an ellipse.  If you try to apply finish with the rod off center, you wind up chasing your wraps with the brush. It is next to impossible to get clean finish lines under these conditions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive?

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Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive? David Correct ! Works just as well too. TL MC

I’ve seen dishwasher motor rig that also works well for rods. What also works good is if you build a 6 or so inch diameter styrofoam  disc and attach it to the drive for drying epoxy flies. l—–l            [] l        l——- [] l—–l            [] motor  drive  styro the wheel slowly spins and allows the epoxy on the flies to dry in a symmetrically even fashion, which as we all know, will quadruple your chances of catching a fish. Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Perfectly true, assymetrical epoxy will cause any self-respecting trout to go into a hissy fit. Unless you are tying flat -headed, flat-sided minnow imitations. In which case, the motor is superfluous. TL MC

dang Mike….i never thought of using pox flies for trout. when i was a resident down south we used to make pox flies fer saltwater fish. walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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I use a really simple method. I took a dowel just a little larger than the sqaure hole on the BBQ motor and cut it square. I then took another dowel just smaller than the size of the Rod Handle.  I then drilled a hole in the middle of this and glued the smaller dowel into it. Once I had the "Chuck" made I simply took a bicycle tube and cut a section out of it. This can then be rolled right onto the rod handle and you have a good chuck that will work for just about any rod.  Plus there is no chance of marring the rod because the Rolled up tube is all that touches the rod. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While a rotisserie motor will serve the same purpose as a drying motor, it is the method of attachment between motor and blank that makes the real difference.  My first drying motor was a castoff from an old grill and could be made to work with a piece of all thread and masking tape to build up "bushings" to mount to the motor and the blank, but the problem is getting the blank and the motor shaft aligned so the rod rotates about it’s center rather than in an ellipse.  If you try to apply finish with the rod off center, you wind up chasing your wraps with the brush. It is next to impossible to get clean finish lines under these conditions.  Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive?

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Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously

like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive? David

Correct ! Works just as well too. TL MC

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<SNIPPED A cheap drill chuck, obtainable at any hardware store, correctly aligned to the shaft obviates this problem. The best I have seen to date was a special purpose chuck with nylon "fingers".  Otherwise plug and  tape the rod end to prevent damage in the chuck, and do not overtighten. TL MC

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Perfectly true, assymetrical epoxy will cause any self-respecting trout to go into a hissy fit. Unless you are tying flat -headed, flat-sided minnow imitations. In which case, the motor is superfluous. TL MC

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What machines are necessary versus just a convenience?

Make or buy a simple rod wrapping jig if you plan to build several. The best rod building guide?

Dale Clemen’s Advanced Custom Rod Building from Winchester Press is more than you will ever need to know.  You don’t have to agree with everything he writes but he does cover just about everything.  Luis Garcia’s Handcrafting a Graphite Fly Rod from Frank Amato Books has great closeup photos. Lastly, which are the better of the less expensive blanks?

If you are in no rush check out those web sites that others have posted in response to your question around November – February for closeouts, cosmetically defective rods, discontinued blanks, etc. I’ll make one more pitch for MCT epoxy guide wrap finish available at www.fishdoc.com.  You’ll definitely need a drying motor if you decide to use their finish.  I like MCT better than Flex Coat Lite. After applying finish to your wraps, leave several drops of it on a Post-It note or piece of aluminum foil.  Later when you’re trying to guess how much the finish has cured, you can touch one of these test drops rather than potentially spoil your unfinished epoxy coating. Mu

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I really like AMERICAN FLY TYING MANUAL, by Dave Hughes, l986 originally, pub. by Frank Amato Publications, (PH# 503-653-8108), outstanding color photos of nearly 300 patterns, with full description of materials used and some info on how to tie them.  I bought  my copy several years ago at GI Joes store in Portland, Oregon. Good Luck!

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http://www.kbrcomm.com/btwc/flytyingbooks.html It is a great resource. But does anybody know who stocks the binder version at a discount? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants" by Randall Kaufmann. Get the ring binder version — it lies flat.  I do not like the way the fly patterns are displayed – alphabetically, rather than by type, (i.e. caddis, mayfly, stonefly, etc.) but the photos are excellent. Dave LaCourse

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I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? I’ve been fly fishing a very short time and still have diffculty recognizing the different patterns.  So, when I go into a shop and see that pattern x is hot, I don’t know what it looks like, or if I already have some.

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<<I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants" by Randall Kaufmann. Get the ring binder version — it lies flat.  I do not like the way the fly patterns are displayed – alphabetically, rather than by type, (i.e. caddis, mayfly, stonefly, etc.) but the photos are excellent. Dave LaCourse

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You don’t beat up on your own sport. Mr. G. —

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You don’t beat up on your own sport.

A curious (if not bizarre) simile – which begs the question: just what do you do with your bar of bath soap, George? (Practise C&R in the tub? ;^) /dave

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Well this was an eye opener here on this cool morning in northern Maine….I’m howling… dave — dave’s homepage madness – flyfishing in Maine and more http://www.midmaine.com/~dbottom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t beat up on your own sport. A curious (if not bizarre) simile – which begs the question: just what do you do with your bar of bath soap, George? (Practise C&R in the tub? ;^) /dave

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Interesting analogy.. but why the word "molest," which seem more in line with using them for your own purposes and then tossing them aside? You don’t beat up on your own sport. Mr. G.

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   I am planning to go up to the west branch of the Ausable around May16th. My concern was what the water level is like and if there has been any fly hatches, per se, I am planning on fishing the trophy section for a day or 2, then try my luck below the damn.     Last year I was up this same time of year and did very well with Dark Hendricksons, and Wolly Buggers, but last year we had much less snow and rain.      Any information on conditions and such would be greatly appreciated.      Thanks.

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   I am planning to go up to the west branch of the Ausable around May16th. My concern was what the water level is like and if there has been any fly hatches, per se, I am planning on fishing the trophy section for a day or

FYI it snowed in the Adirondacks the morning of May 12: not much accumulation but it accumulated…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Just to ephasizewhat was allreay stated. 1. Mix the FlexCoat EXACTLY 50/50. 2. Make sure resin and hardener are mixed thouroughly.

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I just bought the book The Art of Building a Graphite Fly Rod by L.A. Garcia, and he too stresses an accurate mix and LIGHT stirring (so not to introduce bubbles) for the count of 120.  Every 10 strokes, reverse the direction of your stirring.   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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<sni In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough.

 <snip This problem was addressed in a series of posts some time back. The solution to your problem is as follows: i) be accurate in mixing 50/50 portions of the resin and hardener and even more important ii) mix thourougly, meaning for at least 2 minutes (or more).

<snip In my boat building, I have run aross instructions for epoxy (2 part) mixtures that recommend that you let the mixture set for 5 minutes, after mixing, before applying, to let the reactions kick off.  They also echo the previous information; be careful about your measurements and mix thoroughly.   I have used flex cote for years and have no problem. I particularly like the flexcote thin mixture.

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In my boat building, I have run aross instructions for epoxy (2 part) mixtures that recommend that you let the mixture set for 5 minutes, after mixing, before applying, to let the reactions kick off.  They also echo the previous information; be careful about your measurements and mix thoroughly.  

I am not sure I’d recommend this.  The pot life of the Flex Coat seems to be fairly short.  The manufacturer recommends spreading out the mixed solution on aluminum foil to increase the life, but I find that even doing this only results in a pot life only slightly longer than the 5 minutes you suggest waiting.   I have never had the slightest problem measuring 50/50 (with syringes) and mixing for about 1-2minutes, then applying immediately (regular or "high build" versions).  Results in a tough, smooth finish that cures in about 24 hours. -tgades

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -M. Gades) writes: In my boat building, I have run aross instructions for epoxy (2 part) mixtures that recommend that you let the mixture set for 5 minutes, after mixing, before applying, to let the reactions kick off.  They also echo the previous information; be careful about your measurements and mix thoroughly.   I am not sure I’d recommend this.  The pot life of the Flex Coat seems to be fairly short.  The manufacturer recommends spreading out the mixed solution on aluminum foil to increase the life, but I find that even doing this only results in a pot life only slightly longer than the 5 minutes you suggest waiting.   I have never had the slightest problem measuring 50/50 (with syringes) and mixing for about 1-2minutes, then applying immediately (regular or "high build" versions).  Results in a tough, smooth finish that cures in about 24 hours. -tgades

I have not had any problem with the pot life on flex coat.  I use the flex coat lite, and generally take about 15 to 20 minutes to get the finish on.  Don’t know what the difference is, but there you be…  You can tell when it is going off when the container gets warm.

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I always make sure my working room temp is above 65 degrees.  A desk lamp left on over your rod turner will suffice.  A fish tank thermometer helps too. Ross Wilson

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In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.                             Paul Grabek

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In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.

I am assuming that you are getting the two-part mixture precisely 50/50? If not, use 2 syringes and mix exactly 50/50.   My experience is that after 12-24 hrs, a thick coat of Flex Coat has totally cured for me. good luck,         -tgades — Tony Gades                         You Flex           / University of Washington             your rod,       / GEOPHYSICS                                     /    / fish takes

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I agree with the other response that I saw to your message.  My rods dry hard in 12-24 hours and are not subject to abrasion.  Check your mixture ratios and be sure to mix *very well* (at least 100 stirs). Of course, varnish can be used, as can a couple of other finishes, but they all take multiple coats and are ultimately subject to cracking.   I suggest you stay with the flex coat. Good Luck                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.                             Paul Grabek

George E. Hoskin The flex-coat is what I have used mostly ("lite" for fly  rods and fresh water rods, "high build" for salt water or larger fresh water rods.  Either should set up in 24 hours.  Make sure you are mixing well (minimum of two minutes) before applying to rod.  If you need any Blanks, hardware or finishes give me a call (1-800-244-7744). I operate a small retail shop here in Maine.   Will be happy to ship you stuff that you need with a visa/mc  number over the phone. I’m always happy to shoot the breeze about flyfishing, tying flies or rod building, etc. Feel free to call 1-800-244-7744 ANYTIME it rings into house and shop both and I usually stau up late.

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Grabek) writes: In the past I have used Flex Coat to finish off the wraping on guides of the rods that I build.  My question is,  Is there any other coating or adhesive that anyone has used instead of the Flex Coat?  My problems with Flex Coat is that it takes three days for it to dry, and when it is dry the coating doesn’t appear to be very tough. By tough I mean it seems to abraid very easy.  If anyone has any suggestions or has used another method to finish off the threads plaese let me know.                            Paul Grabek

This problem was addressed in a series of posts some time back. The solution to your problem is as follows: i) be accurate in mixing 50/50 portions of the resin and hardener and even more important ii) mix thourougly, meaning for at least 2 minutes (or more). I’ve had the same problem in the past, but after following the suggestions of this pub, I’ve had no more problems. Changing to a different brand of epoxy probably won’t help….the principles remain the same. Good luck! Inge Solberg Houston, TX

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line! Have I yeilded to temptation, but writing this and saying that NO…..I’m

I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year.

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<snip I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year.

Don’t the manufacturers still back the blank?  Even for a reduced amount of time? Brian

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I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year.

Go to http://www.virtualflyshop.com   there is a rod building group there. TL MC

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Try this http://www.rodguild.com/cgi-bin/bbs/bbs.cgi?forum=chat

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish there was a rod building group as well. The satisfaction of making your own rod is great. I recently put a decorative wrap on a couple of my store bought rods and was looking for ideas. It doesn’t catch more fish, just that little extra. If your building a fly rod the saving are significance. The fly rod I built is a 25% saving compared to of the rack. You loose you warranty though, but I think it’s worth having a better rod with no warranty. Than a rod with a warranty and the desire for a better rod for next year. Go to http://www.virtualflyshop.com   there is a rod building group there. TL MC

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

There are several areas of interest for rod builders. Have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com  there is a complete course on ( graphite ) rod-building also try http://www.virtualflyshop.com  lots of info there as well. TL MC

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Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

Have I yeilded to temptation, but writing this and saying that NO…..I’m

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fishndad, Can anyone tell me if there is a rodbuilding newsgroup? Thanks and tight line!

Not that I know of.  But I’ve seen several posts in this NG on that topic and have a hunch that, if you ask questions on the topic, you’ll get answers here. I’ve built a few rods — with gratifying results right from the first. Here are some misc. opinions, tips, whatever… 1) It ain’t difficult.  The lion’s share of what’s involved is being willing to work deliberately and pay attention to details. 2) You can build  EXCELLENT rods for a fraction of the "store bought" price. 3) If you do nothing else, get the Clemens catalog: Clemens 444 Schantz Road Allentown, PA  18104 The first few pages of the catalog are devoted to the essentials of rod building and the discussion is complete enough to see you through your first project.  As a bonus, it’s a pretty good source of blanks and components. 4) If you’re at all hesitant about building your first rod on a $200 blank, practice on a section of busted rod and/or start with a cheap blank. Wes Peterson LexCraft Data Services

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        Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe

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In article    Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe

Fly rods and large ocean rods have the guides opposite the spline. Others on the spline. Two great rod builder catalogs: Dale Clemens – (610) 395-5119   FAX 398-2580   —  Allentown, PA Angler’s Workshop – (360) 225-9445  FAX 225-8641  –  Woodland, WA Don Burns

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       Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe

For a more thoughtful perspective on this subject, check out the web site for Manhattan Custom Tackle at www.fishdoc.com.  Phil Koenig, the proprietor, suggests a formula based on which way the blank curves, which makes sense.

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For rod building equipement try Cabella’s.  they have lots of stuff and good books too. Brian

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Try: Blue Ridge Rod Company 410-224-4072 FAX 410-224-4072 They deal solely with components for rod building. They do not sell finished rods etc.  They handle most of the name brand blanks (Sage etc.), Pacific Bay guides etc, Strubble, and so forth. You cannot go wrong.  Call or Fax them and they’ll send you a catalogue.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Does anyone know the address and phone number of a catalog that sells rod building materials?  Are the guides supposed to go on top of the spine or on the opposite side?  My book says opposite side but most of my rods seem to be on top of the spine. Eric Howe For a more thoughtful perspective on this subject, check out the web site for Manhattan Custom Tackle at www.fishdoc.com.  Phil Koenig, the proprietor, suggests a formula based on which way the blank curves, which makes sense.

You might also want to check out the new web site of the Angler’s Workshop located in the graphite rod builder’s paradise of Woodland, Washington (home of G.Loomis, Talon and Lamiglass). Their URL is http://www.anglersworkshop.com Dave Weitl Seattle, WA http://www.halcyon.com/dweitl

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Try Custom Tackle Supply     2559 Hwy 41A S.     Shelbyville, TN 37160     (615) 684-6164 They have all the components, ship quickly, and are great guys who are very helpful.   A good book for rodbuilding:    The Custom Graphite Rod    by Skip Morris In it he gives advice on location of guides relative to spine — for fly rods on the side opposite the spine. The advice on Manhattan Tackle is also very good.  They respond quickly also and offer on-line and phone help. I just recently completed my first rod – a 3wt 7′6" and managed to catch some fish with it.  It didn’t fall apart and it looks great. Keep your fly dry, David

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Try http://www.flyfield.com/clipart.htm There is a link on that site to a second page. Hmm.  I tried both links with no luck: "Not found".  Maybe these pages require plug-ins, or? — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

– "If the facts do not conform to the theory, they must be disposed of."      Maier’s Law

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 I have jumpe to both of these sites, and it tells me that the URL is  no longer available.  Are the addresses correct?  Thanks!

Try this – it worked for me.  first go to http://www.flyfield.com Then, when your into the main page, change the request to http://www.flyfield.com/xclipart2.htm The clipart 1 page doesn’t seem to work but the clipart 2 page does.  He doesn’t give you a link to it on his page though so you have to ask for it by address.

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Hmm.  I tried both links with no luck: "Not found".  Maybe these pages require plug-ins, or? — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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Try this – it worked for me.  first go to http://www.flyfield.com Then, when your into the main page, change the request to http://www.flyfield.com/xclipart2.htm The clipart 1 page doesn’t seem to work but the clipart 2 page does.  He doesn’t give you a link to it on his page though so you have to ask for it by address.

Well, I’m sure sorry if I caused any problems here. I admit that I didn’t test those URLs before posting my reply to Joe. They work from my bookmark list but, being digitally challenged, I am at a loss to explain why they don’t from here.  Anyway, I think that you have the right explanation (above). However, I went to the Fly Field homepage and found the #1 clip art gallary working this morning. Again, I apologize for causing any problems with my efforts help a fellow newsletter editor. Perhaps one of the many technically versed members of this group could help explain this situation for us. Steve

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Same here.  I am very interested in these sites. Dave D

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I have jumpe to both of these sites, and it tells me that the URL is no longer available.  Are the addresses correct?  Thanks! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m the editor (still wet behind the ears!) of my TU Chapter’s newsletter.  Can anyone tell me where to access, for a fee or free, some sources of flyfishing clip art to stick in the corners of my newsletter?  I would appreciate any info you have. Skip James Check out the Fly & Field web site for Dave Whitlocks Clip Art gallery. It is at "http://www.flyfield.com/clipart.html". I also found a really interesting site at the Univeristy of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. It is from their Entomology department and has terrific insect drawings. Check it out at "http://www.life.uiuc.edu/Entomology/insectsgifs.html". Hope this helps! Steve

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I’m the editor (still wet behind the ears!) of my TU Chapter’s newsletter.  Can anyone tell me where to access, for a fee or free, some sources of flyfishing clip art to stick in the corners of my newsletter?  I would appreciate any info you have. Skip James

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I’m the editor (still wet behind the ears!) of my TU Chapter’s newsletter.  Can anyone tell me where to access, for a fee or free, some sources of flyfishing clip art to stick in the corners of my newsletter?  I would appreciate any info you have. Skip James

Check out the Fly & Field web site for Dave Whitlocks Clip Art gallery. It is at "http://www.flyfield.com/clipart.html". I also found a really interesting site at the Univeristy of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. It is from their Entomology department and has terrific insect drawings. Check it out at "http://www.life.uiuc.edu/Entomology/insectsgifs.html". Hope this helps! Steve

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   It’s not just you – I haven’t received anything from FLYFISH either over the last 2 days.  Funny, because the LISTSERV will respond to commands and acknowledge their receipt.  For the moment, I’ve decided I’ll be patient (although I miss my daily fix of fly fishing chatter!).

Me, too.  Although,  I actually got some work done today…   Tim

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hey FLYFISH people, i’ve tried 3 different times, still nothing….. anyone have any ideas on why my subscription won’t take???? thanks, g.

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hey FLYFISH people, i’ve tried 3 different times, still nothing….. anyone have any ideas on why my subscription won’t take????

 Me too – I have sent mail to the organiser of the list and I am  hoping that I will hear from him – a previous attempt to contact him  was unsuccessful. Has anyone on here subscribed recently? I followed  the instructions posted by John Allison to the letter but heard nothing. — Ed Kelly

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: hey FLYFISH people, : : i’ve tried 3 different times, still nothing….. anyone have any ideas : on why my subscription won’t take???? : : thanks, : : : g. There has been some problems at the FLYFISH server.  I sent in several submissions on Wednesday and all were rejected, and I didn’t receive a digest for several days (one finally arrived today).

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: hey FLYFISH people, : : i’ve tried 3 different times, still nothing….. anyone have any ideas : on why my subscription won’t take???? : : thanks, : : : g. There has been some problems at the FLYFISH server.  I sent in several submissions on Wednesday and all were rejected, and I didn’t receive a digest for several days (one finally arrived today).

This doesn’t explain why I can’t get on the list for over 5 months of trying.   I think that I’ve tried everything short of a phone call. Bill

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: There has been some problems at the FLYFISH server.  I sent in several : submissions on Wednesday and all were rejected, and I didn’t receive a : digest for several days (one finally arrived today). : This doesn’t explain why I can’t get on the list for over 5 months of trying.   : I think that I’ve tried everything short of a phone call. Your mailer (or some mail gateway) is probably mangling your return address.  The Listserver automatically picks up your address from the message you sent it.  If you do not get a response from the server when you send the subscription request, that is probably what is happening.  Contact your mail administrator and make sure your mailer is sending out the correct headers. — Information Technology Specialist Hewlett-Packard Test & Measurement Organization Information Technology Colorado Springs, CO

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I guess it is back up now. I am a new subscriber and I am a bit puzzled to see that I don’t receive my own posts. Should I? —

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I haven’t received anything from FLYFISH digest for two days. Is something wrong globally or is it just me? Joe —

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: I haven’t received anything from FLYFISH digest for two days. : Is something wrong globally or is it just me? : Joe         It’s not just you – I haven’t received anything from FLYFISH either over the last 2 days.  Funny, because the LISTSERV will respond to commands and acknowledge their receipt.  For the moment, I’ve decided I’ll be patient (although I miss my daily fix of fly fishing chatter!). Boston City Hospital Boston University School of Medicine

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first off, i’d like to thank all the wonderful  people at the academy that made this all possible, my producer, my mom and dad…. all the little people…. seriously…. may i suggest that you try the following address for subscribing to FLYFISH: and as always… in the body of your message, simply type SUBSCRIBE FLYFISH…. it worked for me….. and thanks again for all the help…. chaio, g.

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Hope this does it for you. Aloha – bob    ooo_ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I guess it is back up now. I am a new subscriber and I am a bit puzzled to see that I don’t receive my own posts. Should I? —

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hey FLYFISH people, i’ve tried 3 different times, still nothing….. anyone have any ideas on why my subscription won’t take???? thanks, g.

It appears the list may be down… I haven’t gotten anyhthing from it for about a week now! —  Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios

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