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Really? My dad showed me the old rub along the nose trick, said he learned the trick from the old Orvis cane rod builders…
____ I know. Its an old wive’s-tale and was used long before Orvis started doing rods. The secret is SMOOTH and CLEAN. The Four Star AAAA Steel wool is used to shine the ferrule clean. It has minimum wear. For as much as you or anyone else will do (by hand) isn’t worth worrying about. However; even in a lathe spinning at high rpms, AAAA Steel Wool won’t wear unless you polish for a long time for the last micro-fitting of a set of ferrules. This is used not to wear anything off as much as polishing to the final MICRO FINISH that is smooth for a tight fit without lubrication. What most don’t realize is a dirty ferrule with lube on it only COMPOUNDS the wear and most ferrules are worn quicker with lube and dirt mixed, or lube and salts mixed, etc. Not unlike an oil-stone. This is why Nickel Silver Ferrules should never be lubed but kept clean no matter how many years anyone has been fishing. Remember this, one can be wrong for a lifetime and still believe they are right. I’m reminded of the many fly fishermen who thought it was great to use carbontet to dissolve animal fats for dry fly fishing. Of course, thousands of them died of heart failure because they (at that time) all thought it was the greatest thing to do without scientific studies. That said, just keep your ferrules clean. You may use only FOUR AAAA super/extra fine steel wool without worrying about adding wear. After that, clean your ferrules with alcohol once in a while including a Q-tip inside the female ferrule. I should add that at the BASE of each female ferrule should be a guide. This guide, immediately next to the base of the ferrule is what will relieve the torque and/or casting pressures from that ferrule and fit. Everyone that has a bamboo fly rod, if your ferrules don’t have a guide at the start/base of each ferrule, your fly rod is engineered incorrectly regarding the positioning of the guides. Once guides are torqued or begin to ‘rock’ it isn’t long when those ferrules should be replaced and/or the fly rod reguided, if possible due to taper design. These are just a few added notes I can offer to this thread for others to ponder. You can’t make a choice until you have TWO THINGS to choose from. Clean, is gooder. Mr. Gink
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Calling people names only makes you look ignorant. If you can’t argue with logic and common sense and if you don’t know how to read, then don’t mess with experience. It’s Mr.G. to you. See if you can remember that. Lastly, there is no wear to worry about with a once in a year rub with AAAA steel wool. Next time you’re in a hardware store, look at it. This is a product ALL Bamboo Fly Rod Makers and Ferrule Makers use in manufacturing Bamboo Fly Rods. Just because the word "Steel" is in the term, "Steel Wool" doesn’t make it abusive to cleaning the scum off a male ferrule. I think everyone else knows how to decide what they want to do and how to do it. _ Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"
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George G. writes:
(snip) I think everyone else knows how to decide what they want to do and how to do it. _
Exactly, George! Ron Kusse says use a clean soft cloth after every use. Under no circumstances should you use anything abrasive — when you polish you remove a tiny portion of the surface material. Eventually you will have two ferrules that do not fit. Kusse has been building cane rods for more than 50 years. I think I will go along with his opinion on this one. Dave LaCourse
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Actually, this is a quite common practice with bamboo rods. Not really necessary with graphite rods as one can twist the sections apart. I did just this Today with my Orvis flea. Ferrules pop loose with ease. I imagine there will come a time when inner ferrule joint will need cleanin’! Not really a topic for discussion, for obvious reasons.
____Because I’m watching you Guyz. Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
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Ordinary white candle wax. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
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This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules. An occasional cleaning with alcohol, and a rub down with a piece of white candle will ensure long and trouble free life. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
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This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules.
I vote for Ivory soap. –Steve
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Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up….
To which numerous kind individuals responded both here and via email, all of whom I’d like to thank. Solved my problem. tgb P.S. And as to the facial grease suggestion posted on the NG, hey, at least it wasn’t the "rubbed well with the navel lint from a legal-aged virgin" suggestion I got via email. Kinda feel like Andy Warhol’s "Dracula" now…. tgb
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Ol Danl writes: Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position….
No flames, Danl. Just facts. What you suggest is probably ok with graphite or glass rods, but the ferrules on a boo rod should never be "greased" in any way, shape, or form. Keep them clean. When you take the rod apart, clean everything with a clean cloth, especially the ferrules. And keep them dry. Dave LaCourse
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Or Albolene? Judging from the 1001 uses described, one more won’t hurt.. Herman This is not a good idea, the natural substances contained here will eat into and damage metal ferrules, and dried salt and other materials is more likely to cause ferrules to stick than make them easier to remove. Ordinary white candle wax is the best material for treating ferrules. I vote for Ivory soap. –Steve
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…..legal-aged virgin….
Huh? What means?
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Wolfie in some parts of the country it is 18, not "If old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher." 
Ernie
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…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh? What means?
I believe that the age of consent in Oklahoma is still 13 years old, but they have to wait till 21 to buy beer that is of more than 3.2 content. Big Dale Big Dale
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…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh? What means?
In some locations, it’s an 11 year old girl who can outrun her brothers. {:-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"
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…..legal-aged virgin…. Huh? What means?
Ready for a wayno . . . changing? Peter the always helpful
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb +++++ NEVER! Use the oils from the side of the nose on Nickel Silver or any ferrules except graphite (which doesn’t give a damned about anything) The salts and amino acids will destroy your ferrules. What you need to do is CLEAN THE FERRULES not lubricate them. Smooth is the trick and dirt free. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
Really? My dad showed me the old rub along the nose trick, said he learned the trick from the old Orvis cane rod builders…
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Clean the ferrules and polish with AAAA Steel Wool. Do not use any kind of lubricant no matter what others tell you. Just keep the micro finish clean and shiny. Lubricants will speed up your ferrules to wearing out. You don’t want any movement at all. Use a circular motion to turn the male ferrule in the very fine steel wool. Again, never use skin oils ever again on your male ferrules to put them together. Smoothness comes with a high micro mirror finish. Remember that. Mr. Gink
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Steel wool will abrade the ferrules and is a bad thing to do. It will ruin the fit in a relatively short time. No abrasives of any sort whatsoever should be used on ferrules, quite irrespective of type. Lubricants are designed to reduce wear, and that is what they do. This is also why they are called lubricants. various liquid lubricants may cause problems with some suction ferrules. Solid paraffin wax will not. Ferrules treated with wax should be cleaned occasionally with alcohol, to ensure that no abrasives are present, and then re waxed. Just a short rub with a white candle and a polish up is all that is required. In the course of forty years fishing, with all sorts of rods, under all sorts of conditions. Ordinary white candle way has proved its worth. I have never had a rod ferrule stick, and I have never had any problems with wear. If you can not decide what to do about your ferrules, or what to apply, then at least keep them clean and dry. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Clean the ferrules and polish with AAAA Steel Wool. Do not use any kind of lubricant no matter what others tell you. Just keep the micro finish clean and shiny. Lubricants will speed up your ferrules to wearing out. You don’t want any movement at all. Use a circular motion to turn the male ferrule in the very fine steel wool. Again, never use skin oils ever again on your male ferrules to put them together. Smoothness comes with a high micro mirror finish. Remember that. Mr. Gink
Do NOT use steel wool, nor any other abrasive on nickel silver ferrules. That’s probably what made a mess of Jerke’s early bamboo rods, those whose ferrules flopped! Clean the ferrules, then give them a quick swipe on two sides with hard paraffin. A white candle works well. Listen to Mike Connor. That noise from the Snake River will lead you astray! Paraffin also works well with glass and carbon. Before you buy.
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Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
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Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
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Actually, this is a quite common practice with bamboo rods. Not really necessary with graphite rods as one can twist the sections apart. I did just this Today with my Orvis flea. Ferrules pop loose with ease. I imagine there will come a time when inner ferrule joint will need cleanin’! Not really a topic for discussion, for obvious reasons. **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
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Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face.
Just make sure you put some parafin on your nose first, Danl. BTW, why does everyone think that place is particularly greasy? Is yours? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
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Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl
Dan, I made a post some years ago about this but it seems to have dropped off Deja.com darned it. There have been a number of articles in fishing mags as to why this is not a good idea. Salts etc. I rolled a spinning rod metal ferrule on the side of my nose once and as far as I know the damned thing is still stuck together. I gave the rod away. If you would like I can flame you provided you can wait around until I search upstairs for the article or maybe someone else will do it in the meantime. I do like to quote this article as it is the author who does the dirty work (calls you a birdbrain) instead of me. Much safer for me dontchaknow.<G I’ll see if I can find the article as it is quite good and is worthy of repeating. Kiyu
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my much older brother Hank, who taught me what fishin was, showed me one cure for sticky ferrules. I know I’m gonna draw the hecklers in record time for this, but the man (I assume a man) asked a question. Just take the male ferrule piece (oh y’all are gonna have some fun with me!) and roll it in that natural grease pit between either nostril and your face. ***Not on the inside of your nose!*** There its done, and I’m proud of it. You guys wait just a second….there…I’m now in the traditional flamee position…. Ol’ Danl Finally found a use for having eaten all that Southern fried everything…yum Alright, I know I knew this once, but getting up there in age has spoilt more than just my memory, so help me out here: what’s the best stuff to put on ferrules to keep ‘em from sticking? Just rub some hard paraffin on them? I’ve got this one rod that suddenly started acting up…. tgb
+++++ NEVER! Use the oils from the side of the nose on Nickel Silver or any ferrules except graphite (which doesn’t give a damned about anything) The salts and amino acids will destroy your ferrules. What you need to do is CLEAN THE FERRULES not lubricate them. Smooth is the trick and dirt free. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/
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Not at all, the computer is built into the handle of my large arbor, the modem is in the reel seat of my nine weight, and my telecopying staff doubles as a printer, and I only write this stuff on the fly. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
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(don’t keep the knife in your chest-fly-box, you may fall and cut your tits)
LOL Many newsgroups go through cycles of on-topic, then a spark, then much nastiness, then a cool-down, then humor, then on-topic…… We appear to be in the humor stage. Regards, Jeff
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If you wish to learn fillet trout, a very useful skill in life, there are several ways to do it, and two require a knife, grab a knife, then grab the trout, and cut it into bits, (don’t keep the knife in your chest-fly-box, you may fall and cut your tits) This applies to other things as well, and if certain gear you
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Hello all, for those of you who expressed interest here is the address of my new website. It has been up for five minutes, and I rather bashed it together yesterday and today, so don’t expect too much at first. There is not a lot there at the moment, but I will be adding to it almost daily for a while.
Got a problem, Mike. I couldn’t contact your server. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
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Never mind. I got it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
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Hi Mike, I am happy you found a Webb site for your great work. The picture of that handsome young fellow holding the fly rod on the main page loaded a little slow and was a little dark. I down loaded it, converted it to a compressed jpg file and tweaked the brightness a little. It reduced the volume from 200K to 56K. I think that would probably be better. An there is one other thing you might think about changing. As the picture was slowly loading I could read the first line under the picture which said " I hope you enjoy this site, please leave" :-) Your friend, Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, for those of you who expressed interest here is the address of my new website. It has been up for five minutes, and I rather bashed it together yesterday and today, so don’t expect too much at first. There is not a lot there at the moment, but I will be adding to it almost daily for a while. http://www.connor.via.t-online.de/ Hope you enjoy it — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible"
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http://www.connor.via.t-online.de/ Hope you enjoy it
Congrats Mike! A job well done. bc. — The fruit derived from labor is the sweetest of all pleasures. — Marquis De Vauvenargues
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Thanks Mike! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.connor.via.t-online.de/
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Mike, Thanks for posting your stories, flies, and other things. It’s valuable information and an enjoyable read. Now you have control of your site and it looks great. It came up and quickly for me. Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Mike! http://www.connor.via.t-online.de/
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Hello all, for those of you who expressed interest here is the address of my new website. It has been up for five minutes, and I rather bashed it together yesterday and today, so don’t expect too much at first. There is not a lot there at the moment, but I will be adding to it almost daily for a while. http://www.connor.via.t-online.de/ Hope you enjoy it — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hello all, for those of you who expressed interest here is the address of my new website. It has been up for five minutes, and I rather bashed it together yesterday and today, so don’t expect too much at first. There is not a lot there at the moment, but I will be adding to it almost daily for a while. http://www.connor.via.t-online.de/ Hope you enjoy it — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" Hey! That’s pretty good Mike! I was poking in around the Yorkshire Flies area and I liked the work! I have yet to tie a soft hackle and I was curious how you fish these in still waters…
I saw the description of technique on the first page… Care to elicidate? The pond I fish is rather small so no current and some days there is very little if any wind! — Michael Era
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Hi, Sage now owns Lamson. Give them a call at 1-800-533-3004 and ask for Lamson Repairs and they will take care of you. Tight Lines, Jim, NV Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV
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Sage took over Lamson and your reel is warranteed for life by sage. Contact them. cheers gp
: I have a Lamson reel that has never been used. When loading fly line on : the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out. It is simple : affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that : clicks as the clogs turn. What appears to be the screw came out and I : cannoth get it to hold. The drag still works so the reel still functions : but I would like to produce sound as it was made. : Lamson has gone out of business. Does anyone have any idea where I might : get this repaired? — gp
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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used. When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out. It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn. What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold. The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business. Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?
Actually, the good name Lamson is alive and well but now a part of through them, a suitable dealer/repair facility referral seems very likely. Regards, Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish
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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used. When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out. It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn. What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold. The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business. Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?
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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used. When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out. It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn. What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold. The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business. Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?
Sage now owns Lamson, and are still producing the LP series of reels. David B.
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