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A quasi-Clave on Penn's

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speechless. I am going to take that statement with a huge pile of salt. I have never seen the time a trial lawyer was speechless.

Hm…..now that you mention it Dale, speechless and incoherent really AREN’T synonymous, are they? Don’t let this get around, you do have a reputation to maintain.

And we aim to do all the maintenance required. Wayno:Looking forward to seeing you in about a week.

Ditto, in spades. Big Dale

You too Dale. Wolfgang

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Much appreciated Vincent.Maybe I’ll try one on the Housatonic, Columbus day.I’ll definitely bring a few of those litle Olive thingamajigs as well. Regards,Flypaint(Shawn) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn) Hook: Mustad 94833, sizes 10 – 18 Thread: Red Tails: Brown hackle fibers Body: Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around shank, with a "belt" of red thread, like a Royal Coachman Wings: White impala or calf tail, divided Hackle: Brown from Meck’s _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, pp. 197-8. vince norris

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…..Asadi stayed until Monday morning. I wonder if he ever found the Home for Wayward Amish girls?…..

Um…….guys…….it’s a painful memory and I don’t like to dredge it up but I seen Asadi take a shower on the shore of Lake Wolfgang gotta go now…..gotta wash out my brain

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Um…….guys…….it’s a painful memory and I don’t like to dredge it up but I seen Asadi take a shower on the shore of Lake Wolfgang gotta go now…..gotta wash out my brain

Aggggh! Good lord, now ya gone and done it. I’ll have nightmares for weeks. Natty

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Natty was on a mission Sunday morning,and I hope he picked up a couple of nice fish before he left and thanks again for inviting me to the inn.

Only managed one small brown on a trico that DavePA gave me just before his departure. Weirdest thing…the trico hatch was confined to a 20-30 yard stretch of the river. Either side of that, nothing but the size 72 cream midges. Glad you could make it Shawn…had a great time. Sorry about the buzzsaw. Things that stand out: a lot of talk about farm-women and personal flotation devices,amish co-eds,sounds that are like snoring(leaf blowers,lawn mowers,outboard engines

etc.),newborns,small fish on big flies,and Jack Daniels.Some much needed comic relief, thanks again fellas. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)

Asadi stayed until Monday morning. I wonder if he ever found the Home for Wayward Amish girls? It really was a laugh. Natty

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speechless.

I am going to take that statement with a huge pile of salt. I have never seen the time a trial lawyer was speechless. Don’t let this get around, you do have a reputation to maintain. Wayno:Looking forward to seeing you in about a week. Big Dale

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I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)

Hook: Mustad 94833, sizes 10 – 18 Thread: Red Tails: Brown hackle fibers Body: Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around shank, with a "belt" of red thread, like a Royal Coachman Wings: White impala or calf tail, divided Hackle: Brown from Meck’s _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, pp. 197-8. vince norris

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Shawn, It was great meeting you, glad you got a chance to fish after that tire debacle on Saturday. Tom

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@mb-mj.aol.com: Nice report Tom. I’m looking forward to next spring. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

As am I. I would love to do one of these fall trips (especially Dave L’s), but Fall is my big teaching semester. Scott

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Hey All, I’m glad I was finally able to make it to a ROFF gathering ,even if it was only a mini one.I’m looking forward to the May, Penns gathering even if I can only make it for a three day weekend.Nice bunch of guys to hang out and fish with.Asadi wins the hospitality award hands down(and biggest rock bass).I picked up a lot of good tips watching these fellows fish and Tom might be interested to know that I dug around in my box until I found a small olive whatchamacall it and grabbed a nice brown just below the riffle at the end of tunnel road.I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is.(is the pattern posted anywhere?)Natty was on a mission Sunday morning,and I hope he picked up a couple of nice fish before he left and thanks again for inviting me to the inn.Things that stand out: a lot of talk about farm-women and personal flotation devices,amish co-eds,sounds that are like snoring(leaf blowers,lawn mowers,outboard engines etc.),newborns,small fish on big flies,and Jack Daniels.Some much needed comic relief, thanks again fellas. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)

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. We ended the day with an enchilada dinner, courtesy of John B. Drank an assortment of wonderful beers, and some of Johns Budweiser as well.

good god. asadi drinks *budweiser*? i am rendered speechless. it’s somewhat akin to discovering that mahatma gandhi spent his spare time reading superman comics. wayno, crestfallen in the old north state

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Nice report Tom. I’m looking forward to next spring. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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wayno notes: good god. asadi drinks *budweiser*? i am rendered speechless.

he doesn’t actually drink it, that I noticed. Just tries to foist it onto the unsuspecting. Also, it comes in handy after DavePA comes over and blows through the Bass Ale supply. Tom

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Yeungling! John, you’re in PA, gotta drink Yeungling. My God man, have you no shame? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno notes: good god. asadi drinks *budweiser*? i am rendered speechless. he doesn’t actually drink it, that I noticed. Just tries to foist it onto the unsuspecting. Also, it comes in handy after DavePA comes over and blows through the Bass Ale supply. Tom

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Well folks, a small, but noble, crew showed up at Coburn, PA this weekend. First to arrive(on Thursday), were John Baker(asadi), Mike Pitch(natty b),Mike Shaw(handyman) and Shawn ?(flypaint). Fishing was said to be fair, but will allow them the details at some later date. Friday brought the rest of the arrivals, DavePA and friend Jeff, Allan Epps, with spouse and dog. The latter crew, I had never met. They proved to be pleasant and seemed to like the locale. The fishing Friday was quite good. Water levels were lower than May’s by a good foot or two. It was a great opportunity to study the underwater layout of the place. Hatches consisted of: Blue Quills, Little Olives, a couple types of craneflies, some decent caddis of a couple types and a smattering of Slate Drakes. These were accompanied by a virtual snowstorm of pale midges, roughly in a size 52, were one to attempt a size match. At any rate, I found success by throwing a pair of very small wet flies to visible feeders. The fly to use for this proved to be a #18 olive wet fly. This pattern took 11 of my trout over the weekend, my best producer. By contrast, Mike Shaw was taking a equal number of opportunistic risers with a #12 Patriot, for whatever reason. Success seemed largely due to the fact that Mike is steadily improving his cast placement, and was sending the things right to the fish properly. Others reported varying success. We ended the day with an enchilada dinner, courtesy of John B. Drank an assortment of wonderful beers, and some of Johns Budweiser as well. Dave took pictures of the assembly which I hope he posts someplace. Well, he can leave out the facial closeup of me in which I looked like I was on the back end of a two week drunk. Saturday, the fishing proved tougher, but most caught fish, generally on the small stuff. I did manage a couple of Browns on Dun Variants during a short burst of drakes. A chilly, breezy day, it was nonetheless beautiful in Penns Valley, with numerous bird sighting, mink running about. No bears seen. Dinner was at the Millheim, in the bar, over copious amounts of Yeungling Lager. Sunday started out foggy, due to the Yeungling, no doubt. Actually, it was clear, and cold. Air temp of 36 at 7 am. After a quick talk with campground owners, and a fine breakfast with John, I joined Mike Shaw below Elk Creek to fish some pocket water with nymphs. Shawn checked in, having taken the largest fish of the weekend(a 17 incher) very early am with a Black Wooly bugger. Winds made for tough work nymphing, so we decided to depart and give the fish a break. The rest of the crew were either packing to go or fishing upstream. It was truly great to see you all, and will help whet the appetite until the May Clave. Tom

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private stocking considerations?

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I don’t think that the water temps you stated will support brook or brown trout, so you may not have a lot of options, but rainbows may not stick around for you to catch them. I was under the impression that brown trout tcan olerate higher water temperatures than can rainbows. Isn’t that so? I’ve read that browns can survive if the water temperature does not consistently exceed 70 degrees F.

You are correct, I was wrong about the browns. Brown trout are the most tolerant of higher water temps by about 1 degree and can tolerate short-term peaks in temperature much better than other types of trout (such as after a warm summer downpour). I talked to my grandfather about this post last night–he’s been a private hatchery owner since the late 1940s–and he brought up the pH level of the water. I think he said that rainbows are more tolerant of acidic water than other species. Tom Before you buy.

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I don’t think that the water temps you stated will support brook or brown trout, so you may not have a lot of options, but rainbows may not stick around for you to catch them.

I was under the impression that brown trout tcan olerate higher water temperatures than can rainbows. Isn’t that so? I’ve read that browns can survive if the water temperature does not consistently exceed 70 degrees F. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I fish an area of my local river that I call transition water. Over about a five mile stretch, the river changes dramatically. At the uppermost part of this stretch, rainbows and browns are about equal in number and there are no warm water fishes. Further downstream, there are more browns than rainbows and there are a few carp as well as some warm water minnows. Toward the end of the transition area, there are lots of carp and warm water minnows plus a few VERY large browns. Finally, there are no trout left. Willi

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I am fortunate enough to own a decent stretch of a water (med.size creek) in SW Va. It has good numbers of smallmouth,red-eyes,pike,and many blue gill. In the deepest hole, it’s about 10-11 feet deep.I have measured the temp in July at the bottom. It was around 65 degrees. It keeps a pretty good flow. I put rainbows in a couple of years ago, back in my worm dunking days, and caught some trout this past spring so some must be holding over.My questions: I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size? Will my neighbors be eating good, come the first good rain? Am I wasting money??? Other considerations from you folk would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim Long

Tim, My Uncle owns a private hatchery here in central PA. One thing that you may not have considered is the tendency for rainbows to point their nose toward the sea and swim. One tagged rainbow released into a trout stream here in PA was caught in the Susquehanna river in Maryland! Not all rainbows will head immediately for the ocean, but you cannot really count on them to stay in the stretch of water you put them in, either. Rainbows swimming for the ocean are akin to throwing your money into the creek and watching it drift away. I don’t think that the water temps you stated will support brook or brown trout, so you may not have a lot of options, but rainbows may not stick around for you to catch them. Some private hatcheries raise ‘tiger trout’–a sterile cross between a brook and a brown trout (kind of like a mule, I guess)–that doesn’t head downstream like a bullet and fights like the devil. These ‘tiger trout’ may be able to tolerate the water temps you’ve got, and since you aren’t interested in reproduction they may be just the thing. Obviously, the purists in the world would look down their noses at this suggestion but it is a possibility. Just trying to be helpful, Tom Before you buy.

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Hey Tim! I’m the REAL Wayne. YES!! We have a Carl’s Ice Cream shop. It’s just closing down for the winter now but, rest assured, it will rise, like the proverbal phoenix, in the spring. When the MWC coeds grace the warming rocks of the Rappahannock and the shad grace the planks of hickory, Carl’s ice cream shall flow again. — Wayne…now, where did you say those fish are? To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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because i am younger and better looking. wayno

Have you EVER known a lawyer to bend the truth! — Wayne (who is sometimes mistaken for Wayno’s son by comely youg things in public) To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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well, you know how ol waldo will see double from time to time… I’d heard that<g. I may wander over his way next week if I get tired of looking for ol’ Eric up on Snowbird and Santeetlah… — Charlie…

jeez, guess i need to start worry’n ’bout these "senior moments"…. dang, he was so young. i’d still like to see the brothers wayne in the cottonwood brewery though <g waldo — Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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well, you know how ol waldo will see double from time to time…

I’d heard that<g. I may wander over his way next week if I get tired of looking for ol’ Eric up on Snowbird and Santeetlah… — Charlie…

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remember that ‘ole bob newhart tv show that had the thre brothers, darrell, darell, & darrell? I though only two were named Darrell? (The other was Larry?) — Charlie…

well, you know how ol waldo will see double from time to time… wayno

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remember that ‘ole bob newhart tv show that had the thre brothers, darrell, darell, & darrell?

I though only two were named Darrell? (The other was Larry?) — Charlie…

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no, i am the north carolina wayne; "wayno", to be precise. you can tell me apart from the virginia "wayne" (hart) and the temporarily kansas "wayne" (knight) because i am younger and better looking. wayno

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wayno, remember that ‘ole bob newhart tv show that had the thre brothers, darrell, darell, & darrell? i swear ta gawd ya’ll are close enough in looks and stature that…. hart, knight, and you could walk into any dang bar, hell anywhere, and introduce yerselves as the brothers wayne, wayne, and wayno. lmao just thinkin’ bout it…. waldo

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Umm… do not know if your stream conditions support it, but eggs from suitable stock placed in hatch boxes or specially constructed spawning beds may produce more resilient stock than commercial hatchery produced specimens. For example stock taken directly from your stream could be reared in a small controlled hatchery such as those maintained under permit at local universities. Eggs taken from your brood stock placed in hatch boxes or spawning beds in your stream could imprint the fish and restore quantities up to the level at which your stream’s habitat will support. This approach may qualify you for a TU "Bring Back The Natives" grant to cover part of your costs. Just a suggestion, you may contact the fisheries department of local universities, and fisheries biologists listed in your yellow pages for ideas or help and your local or national Trout Unlimited organizations for support. By allowing your stream to be used to advance the science of fisheries, it would be appreciated by everyone involved; faculty, students, volunteers, biologists, neighbors and others. If you chose to do something like this, I would sincerely thank you, and the fish will too! John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels. I saved an article from a 1991 issue of trout titled "Saved By The Barriers" about the encroachment of rainbows on the brookies of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park that you may find of interest. I think the successful barrier height to keep out rainbows was 6 ft. or so. If you send me your address I’ll send the article on to you. owned ponds. IF there is a chance, specified by the VDGIF, that any stocked fish (rainbows) have the opportunity to take over native waters then the permit is not issued and they strongly urge you not to mess with mother nature. My question is, what if I could find brookies to stock, would these same rules apply. VDGIF may be able to give you some insight as to whether the upper section has ever been stocked. If not and there was any chance of your stocked fish getting upstream then you might reconsider brookies. There probably are stocks of brook trout in Va. that escaped the fish bucket dumping craze and it would be a shame to intoduce outside stock to them. During Hoover’s day they even brought in New Hampshire brookies to stock the Rapidan with so I would suspect many other Virginia streams have a wide genetic mix of brookies as well.<G Before flyfishing, we (myself and some family) would buy 25-30 fish at a nearby pond, throw them in the "swimmin’ hole", bait up the kids poles and have a fish fry at the end of a long weekend. Now, I want to do it right, figure out numbers, size, the kind of things that are being discussed in this thread that would give them the best chance to live for as long as possible. As mentioned in my previous post, there are hold overs that I would think have lasted If the upper reaches of your stream are in any of the parks or federal land then I would suggest getting in touch with some of the local TU people to find out who the govt. fisheries biologist is for your area. From my experience with them years ago they are generally hard working, caring folks who really enjoy what they do (despite lousy pay) and would probably be willing to answer your questions and steer you in the right direction. close to two and a half years. (rainbows) NOTHING would make me happier than to be able to go to my own land, and trout fish, however if I thought I would screw up the native population I will never put another fish in. You are to be envied for both your stream and your prudent approach to the problem. Tim, not looking for reproduction,just a good time, Up until the last few years I thought that WAS a good time. Long Kiyu

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The first consideration is that the stocking of exotic species in a free flowing stream is probably illegal, if not it should be. Check with your state’s fish and game agency. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am fortunate enough to own a decent stretch of a water (med.size creek) in SW Va. It has good numbers of smallmouth,red-eyes,pike,and many blue gill. In the deepest hole, it’s about 10-11 feet deep.I have measured the temp in July at the bottom. It was around 65 degrees. It keeps a pretty good flow. I put rainbows in a couple of years ago, back in my worm dunking days, and caught some trout this past spring so some must be holding over.My questions: I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size? Will my neighbors be eating good, come the first good rain? Am I wasting money??? Other considerations from you folk would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim Long Before you buy.

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I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size?

well, tim, you just let ol wayno help you with this troublesome dilemma…here’s the deal: you put as many rainbows in that water as you can afford, from 10 to 18 inches. brookies, i am advised, would not be happy for long with water over 65 degrees. then, you have me up for a long weekend once a month from now until the little devils are appropriately…identified. wayno, always willing to help those in need

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There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels.

If you live in Virginia there aren’t any native rainbows in your stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I didn’t mean rainbows,,,native around here automatically means brookies. Tim There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels. If you live in Virginia there aren’t any native rainbows in your stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Any time you want to come down your more than welcome…there are two real nice special reg areas within 20 miles of my land…I’m still confused by all the Waynes in the group, do you hail from Fredicksburg? Tim,wondering if theres a Carl’s to go, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size? well, tim, you just let ol wayno help you with this troublesome dilemma…here’s the deal: you put as many rainbows in that water as you can afford, from 10 to 18 inches. brookies, i am advised, would not be happy for long with water over 65 degrees. then, you have me up for a long weekend once a month from now until the little devils are appropriately…identified. wayno, always willing to help those in need

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There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels.

I saved an article from a 1991 issue of trout titled "Saved By The Barriers" about the encroachment of rainbows on the brookies of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park that you may find of interest. I think the successful barrier height to keep out rainbows was 6 ft. or so. If you send me your address I’ll send the article on to you. owned ponds. IF there is a chance, specified by the VDGIF, that any stocked fish (rainbows) have the opportunity to take over native waters then the permit is not issued and they strongly urge you not to mess with mother nature. My question is, what if I could find brookies to stock, would these same rules apply.

VDGIF may be able to give you some insight as to whether the upper section has ever been stocked. If not and there was any chance of your stocked fish getting upstream then you might reconsider brookies. There probably are stocks of brook trout in Va. that escaped the fish bucket dumping craze and it would be a shame to intoduce outside stock to them. During Hoover’s day they even brought in New Hampshire brookies to stock the Rapidan with so I would suspect many other Virginia streams have a wide genetic mix of brookies as well.<G Before flyfishing, we (myself and some family) would buy 25-30 fish at a nearby pond, throw them in the "swimmin’ hole", bait up the kids poles and have a fish fry at the end of a long weekend. Now, I want to do it right, figure out numbers, size, the kind of things that are being discussed in this thread that would give them the best chance to live for as long as possible. As mentioned in my previous post, there are hold overs that I would think have lasted

If the upper reaches of your stream are in any of the parks or federal land then I would suggest getting in touch with some of the local TU people to find out who the govt. fisheries biologist is for your area. From my experience with them years ago they are generally hard working, caring folks who really enjoy what they do (despite lousy pay) and would probably be willing to answer your questions and steer you in the right direction. close to two and a half years. (rainbows) NOTHING would make me happier than to be able to go to my own land, and trout fish, however if I thought I would screw up the native population I will never put another fish in.

You are to be envied for both your stream and your prudent approach to the problem. Tim, not looking for reproduction,just a good time,

Up until the last few years I thought that WAS a good time. Long

Kiyu

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There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels. I have sent an email to the VDGIF and have yet to get a response from them. What I have gathered so far is, the VDGIF wants to sell private stockers a permit to stock, the state will not sell private owners fish from state run hatcheries, you must find them at private owned ponds. IF there is a chance, specified by the VDGIF, that any stocked fish (rainbows) have the opportunity to take over native waters then the permit is not issued and they strongly urge you not to mess with mother nature.My question is, what if I could find brookies to stock, would these same rules apply. Before flyfishing, we (myself and some family) would buy 25-30 fish at a nearby pond, throw them in the "swimmin’ hole", bait up the kids poles and have a fish fry at the end of a long weekend. Now, I want to do it right, figure out numbers, size, the kind of things that are being discussed in this thread that would give them the best chance to live for as long as possible. As mentioned in my previous post, there are hold overs that I would think have lasted close to two and a half years. (rainbows) NOTHING would make me happier than to be able to go to my own land, and trout fish, however if I thought I would screw up the native population I will never put another fish in. Tim,not looking for reproduction,just a good time, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Considering the expense and effort being exerted out here in the west (and its just getting started) to restore our native trout, specifically cutthroat, a little consideration before carrying our five gallon buckets of rainbows and brookies to our favorite trout stream would have been appropriate I think. Keith I think the cat’s out of the bag in this case, Keith. Also, it seems that native brook trout wouldn’t be able to survive the temperatures in this stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I think the cat’s out of the bag in this case, Keith. Also, it seems that native brook trout wouldn’t be able to survive the temperatures in this stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The first consideration is that the stocking of exotic species in a free flowing stream is probably illegal, if not it should be. Check with your state’s fish and game agency. Keith

well, we wouldn’t want those dangerously bizarre species like rainbow trout to infiltrate the otherwise pristine water of southwestern virginia, now would we? wayno, defender of red-eyes and other noble fauna

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Some questions to which you may wish to have answers, YMMV, of course: What is my goal, and what is my budget? Then _my_ first call would be to the State – whatever the fish, game, wildlife, natural resources, etc. Department is called in Va. What do you own, i.e., do you actually own the creek, or just the banks, or the banks and bottom, or….? How many total owners (if known) of/on the entire creek? Does it originate and terminate on private land, and remain so bounded? Will they participate? How about the State? What about tagging? Some State Wildlife Dept/Dept. Nat. Resources/Fish and Game, etc. (like So. Carolina’s DNR) will even supply kits. Can you impound, impede, restrict, or control the flow in any way? You mention holdovers – does the creek appear to completely freeze, or did you mean from you last stocking? Also, you said you put rainbows, but caught trout. Did you catch rainbows? What other species and sizes are swimming (to avoid the whole "native" debate…<G) there now, and when and where was any other stocking done? What was stocked? I would also think size of the stockers would be important, as they might simply become prey – that will simply be a location decision, based upon type, size, and number of likely preditory candidates. HTH? R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before you buy.

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Considering the expense and effort being exerted out here in the west (and its just getting started) to restore our native trout, specifically cutthroat, a little consideration before carrying our five gallon buckets of rainbows and brookies to our favorite trout stream would have been appropriate I think. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first consideration is that the stocking of exotic species in a free flowing stream is probably illegal, if not it should be. Check with your state’s fish and game agency. Keith well, we wouldn’t want those dangerously bizarre species like rainbow trout to infiltrate the otherwise pristine water of southwestern virginia, now would we? wayno, defender of red-eyes and other noble fauna

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Tailwaters of the Smith Lake Dam…..help???

Tailwaters of the Smith Lake Dam…..help???

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Hi. Just wondering if anyone out there has fished the tailwaters of the Smith Lake Dam in Cullman, Alabama in the last few days. I’m new to flyfishing and was wondering what the trout are feeding on these hot days of summer. If anyone has fished this water lately, please email me and give me an idea of what and how to fish there. I’ve asked the locals, but they are very closed mouth about it. If anyone has any suggestions on what to try, I’d appreciate that also. Thanks, Richard Hollingsworth

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… If anyone has any suggestions on what to try, I’d appreciate that also.

Have never fished below Smith Lake Dam but every tailwater fishery I’ve ever heard of has a population of sow bugs. You might want to try sculpins too. — Ken Fortenberry

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » What's a fat guy doing fishing a Mo Spring Creek in the winter-Crane Report

What's a fat guy doing fishing a Mo Spring Creek in the winter-Crane Report

Question:

Wayne Knight: (envious story snipped) Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO

Here we are sittin’ out a snow storm and you’re fishing! ’Tain’t fair. It was a good day, Wayne, just to be out there. Dave L.

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Ok, Forty you asked for it….

Thanks, big guy. Always nice to read of a friends fishin’ trip while stuck up here in the snow. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ok, Forty you asked for it…. Thanks, big guy. Always nice to read of a friends fishin’ trip while stuck up here in the snow.

FWIW, they are calling for snow here tonight and tomorrow. Sure hope it does not impede my flight home to Geneva on Friday. Hopefully tho, my daughter will have the driveway and sidewalks shoveled for me by the time I do get home. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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[trip snip] Thank you Kerry for a great time, and if any of you out there ever decide to visit SW Missouri for a little fishing, be sure and drop Kerry an email. Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

Y’know that’s really cruel to post such a report to the snowbound. :)

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Ok, Forty you asked for it…. I drove out of Kansas to Aurora Mo this past weekend where I met up with Kerry Evans, a contributor to the board, and a long time resident of SW Missouri. Crane is a creek I’ve been hearing about for about a year and wanted to try, plus it is about the closest real trout water to Halstead KS, being only 260 miles away, and whatever it’s faults as a fishing destination, eastern Kansas has some damn good roads <g. All things being equal, I would have prefered to let the weather change a little more but not having seen a trout since October I was going through withdrawal symptons. After meeting for breakfast, I followed Kerry to the creek. Yup the water is low, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelly low, and it was is gin clear. The only other time I’ve seen water this clear has been in WI spring creeks in the fall, never in the winter. Kerry did his best to put me over fish, even though the water was low, there were enough deep pools to support fish. Funny thing with a couple of exceptions we would fish the pools and see nothing and then cross the stream in 6" water and see fish scattering away from us…..There was this one pool which we saw several fish, but just could not get them to take our offerings. We did find some rising fish and we did our best to put them down Being winter, while there was some insect activity on the surface, the bugs were small. A size 20 Griffith’s Gnat might as well been a #10 Green Drake, these bugs were that small. Yours truly at the start was casting, if you want to call it that, as if I was just learning what a fly rod was having forgot my backcast, drink, forward cast routine…..and I probably had a false since of security, it being winter and all was not being too careful with the brush around the stream. I admit, I was cocky, I had never been stumped in Missouri before and really did not want to stealth my overweight out of shape self. Kerry was great, he is a fine fly fisher, a super guy, and to boot, he builds a rather nice rod too. But as sometimes happen, he too could not connect fly with fish. Finally, about halfway down the section we were fishing, we came upon a pool with two risers, Kerry being the gracious host he was, offered the pool to me. I figured screw it on the small stuff and tied on a favorite Michigan pattern, a size 14 parachute Robert’s Drake figuring that maybe the bow’s wanted a real meal for a change. After deteriming the first riser was a little one, I did my best Fortenberry imitation and slid along the pool side and side armed cast the drake under a tree branch to the other riser…..I was rewarded with a healthy bow which turned out to be the only fish of the day. Though the fishing was tough, and frankly had we been a little more careful, we might have been better rewarded, but we only saw one other fisherman and last we checked, he had not been successful. The creek needs some water but I will be back and will be better prepared next time. I bet in spring and fall colors the stream scenery is just dynamite. And Kerry told me about some other streams which have not been written about, they will stay a secret but I will be visiting them too! Thank you Kerry for a great time, and if any of you out there ever decide to visit SW Missouri for a little fishing, be sure and drop Kerry an email. Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » time, computers and indians…..oh my

time, computers and indians…..oh my

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The Post of the Year John…whatever you’re smokin’, PLEASE send me some. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it. — Dave Barry

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SNIPPED… <G TC R, who enjoys discussing FLY FISHING

As I reread this, I realized what happens a lot here on ROFF. New(er) ROFFians who have been around USENET awhile have habits/quirks from other groups, some moderated, some not. Take my addition above. To some, it might seem to be a slam on "john" for an off-topic post, but what I mean (and some others may be familiar with this) is I am merrily going along with the off-topic discussion, but to satisfy what used to be automated "cancelbot" monitors, I mention "FLY FISHING" to be technically "on topic" and stay within the Charter. For example, " RFI: Opinions on Bratwurst?" and the response, " I personally like X Brand, especially while FLY FISHING." Other differences are not signing posts and what appear to be short, curt answers. ROFF is the only basically serious group I’ve ever seen that is enjoyably "all over the map" with almost no "off-topic/charter violation" wars. What appears to be improper is simply the etiquette of many other groups. I am not suggesting anything change in that regard, i.e., that ROFF needs to "conform" to something, nor trying to tell my "elders" how to post. What I am doing is offering the above to perhaps suggest that otherwise decent newbies/occasional posters be cut some degree of slack until their intentions are clear – sometimes a simple "Are you serious?" can avoid a lot of bad feelings and wasted space. I realize many consider many consider ROFF to have Darwinian rules, but it is pretty hard to play if you don’t know the rules. I know I’ve had and caused my share of confusion, and even seen others get into it and polarize a thread over what seems like a misunderstanding. JMHO, R, who doesn’t usually eat Bratwurst while FLY FISHING

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So do you use floatant or sinker stuff to season that with… WHILE FLYFISHING! — Michael Era

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Ha Ha, Seattle and Independence Or. Suck Green Weenies!

Ha Ha, Seattle and Independence Or. Suck Green Weenies!

Question:

Hey, Phillips, you have to start watching a different weather channel…the one you use doesn’t appear to be too accurate. Here’s a picture I took from my den just ten minutes ago: http://home1.gte.net/ikvamar/rainier.jpg The mountain is about seventy miles away…see any clouds? When you refer to going to "UW," are you sure you don’t mean the University of Warsaw? Ron "A picture is worth a thousand posts…but we’re going to get the posts anyway" Wanttaja http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/

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Bill I live between John Amptheater and John Outhouse at Hillsboro, OR and this is what it looked like at my house today. I think you got mixed up somewhere do you see any clouds in the sky? http://www.teleport.com/~jsflyrv/elcamino.html —

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This is an area about the size of Wisconsin with not one stream unless it rains. It’s dismal man.

So now you admit the truth about your dessicated excuse for a so-called climate? — Alan Davenport W7APD at home dot com If I can be of any help … you’re in worse shape than I thought.

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Neat pic. That was the first sunshine in how many days? Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Phillips, you have to start watching a different weather channel…the one you use doesn’t appear to be too accurate. Here’s a picture I took from my den just ten minutes ago: http://home1.gte.net/ikvamar/rainier.jpg The mountain is about seventy miles away…see any clouds? When you refer to going to "UW," are you sure you don’t mean the University of Warsaw? Ron "A picture is worth a thousand posts…but we’re going to get the posts anyway" Wanttaja http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/

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But… does anybody fly in milwaukee in January… maybe that ANG unit from New York with the C-130s on skis?

Naaah, We got our own unit, even have another one at Truax in Madison, a little further north. Seriously though, Milwaukee has to make for unpleasant flying in the

cold. A good snowmobile suit takes care of a lot, especially with a good ski mask and some nice lined mittens. But then, we also have our "Polar Bear Club" in Milwaukee that takes a dip in Lake Michigan every New Years day. But I gotta admit, there is no place colder that I know of than an abandoned 10000 foot airstrip, in January. Even better at night, when you’re just standing in one spot, looking through a telescope. I can take about 15 minutes of that, then I start looking for a warm place. Little secret tho, once your feet get cold, the rest of you will be right behind. Keep your feet warm and it isn’t too bad. (Lessee now. Insulated boots, wool socks, long johns, insulated undershirt, insulated vest, snomobile suit, ski mask, mittens. Yep, I’m all set, but now I can’t move.) Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.

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Hope you’ve got the same one I have, misery loves company, ya know. Settled in my upper back, right between the shoulder blades. Fun when I gotta work. Richard B.

Yep! That’s it. I got it. When I cough my whole back goes into spasms. Lovely thing. BWB

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You know Kevin, I have eaten dog in both Southeast Asia and Central America. I thought it was not bad at all. Here in Vegas in the late 1960’s they had a meat shop that sold only horse meat. It was excellent too. We lived on it in college because it was so cheap. Over thanksgiving my buddy DocDave and I were reminiscing about eating the sirloin steaks from the horse meat butcher shop. I think we paid 30 cents a pound for them and they were 10 times better than cattle. The meat was sweeter and had way less fat in it. I found it somewhat similar to elk. I think dog meat is better than cattle too, more lean and sweeter taste. It’s all in what you get used to. People eat goats. I think eating a nice big dog would be very similar. Dave and I remember having a barbecue one time when we invited our parents for some rib eyes. We never told them it was a horse. They raved about it. We told them it was corn feed midwestern beef. They wanted to order some and wanted to know all the details since it was so good. We sidestepped that one somehow. BWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, they did teach in survival school that ‘all North American mammals and birds are edible.’ They also taught that ‘edible’ doesn’t mean ‘palatable.’ (However, dog happens to be. In Korea and parts of China it’s a delicacy. Billion chinese can’t all be wrong, can they? Well… Mao? OK, they can). Cat’s not especially palatable, though, despite that ‘other white meat’ ad campaign. But you can shoot ‘em as varmints because they nest in airplanes. cheers -=K=-

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<snip Little secret tho, once your feet get cold, the rest of you will be right behind. Keep your feet warm and it isn’t too bad.

Yeah. Feet, head and hands. You gotta wear a hat (especially those of us whose natural thatch is a bit thinnish)… For years I wore the Chippewa mountain boots I got issued in the Army… great big 3-pounds-each monsters, hell to fly or even drive in, they looked so butch, they just had to be warm, right? I must just be a sissy or something. Finally I meet the cold-weather genius, some PhD from the Army’s Natick Labs, and he shows me all these slides of mangled, frostbitten, destined-for-amputation feet. Enough to make a vegetarian out of a man. ‘These are all from Chippewa boots, worst damn boots ever made.’ It has to do with the nailed-on sole, and the type of last they are made on — boots that the toes curl up on will wick the cold in to your feet (or more accurately speaking, wick the warmth away). I still use the chips for skiing, but that’s because I hate plastic boots even more and you play hell finding a leather boot that fits Norwegian wire ski bindings. But I have no illusions about how warm they are. Except when actually climbing (where I can be assured of dry cold conditions) I always stick to stuff that stays warm when wet, too. Thinsulate or good old wool. I can survive in cold weather, but I hate it. There’s a reason Goose Bay is not a resort…so if I come out to Wisconsin it’ll be bug season, not shovelling season. cheers -=K=-

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Hope you’ve got the same one I have, misery loves company, ya know. Settled in my upper back, right between the shoulder blades. Fun when I gotta work. Richard B. Yep! That’s it. I got it. When I cough my whole back goes into spasms. Lovely thing. BWB

Absolutely! Not really too bad as far as the colds here in the midwest go, but a bitch when you discover that the hardware stores don’t stock small keystock, and you’ve gotta grind 1/32 off two sides of a 12 inch piece to get it down to size. No traverse on the grinder, so that’s cranking it by hand, 160 passes on two sides to get it down to size. I can imagine what my back is going to feel like tomorrow. Ah, yes! Wonderful Wisconsin! such a beautiful cold. Now I can go visit all the people that I don’t like. Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know Kevin, I have eaten dog in both Southeast Asia and Central America. I thought it was not bad at all. Here in Vegas in the late 1960’s they had a meat shop that sold only horse meat. It was excellent too. We lived on it in college because it was so cheap. Over thanksgiving my buddy DocDave and I were reminiscing about eating the sirloin steaks from the horse meat butcher shop. I think we paid 30 cents a pound for them and they were 10 times better than cattle. The meat was sweeter and had way less fat in it. I found it somewhat similar to elk. I think dog meat is better than cattle too, more lean and sweeter taste. It’s all in what you get used to. People eat goats. I think eating a nice big dog would be very similar. Dave and I remember having a barbecue one time when we invited our parents for some rib eyes. We never told them it was a horse. They raved about it. We told them it was corn feed midwestern beef. They wanted to order some and wanted to know all the details since it was so good. We sidestepped that one somehow.

Heh, good story, as ever, Bill. In the seventies the military commissaries in Europe stocked horsemeat because the enlisted with families couldn’t afford beef or poultry. When the pay situation improved during the Reagan buildup, a bunch of people had acquired a taste for it and protested when the commissaries dropped it! By the time I got back to germany the Mark was 3.5 to the dollar and only an idiot lived in the ‘US Ghetto’ and ate from the commissaries. I enjoyed (?) goat in Ranger & SF schools (where we were so starved that our culinary judgement was not well-honed) and again in the mideast. I found it pretty gamey and tough. Later I found out that the locals didn’t eat the stuff overmuch but they got a great scream out of putting us in a position where ‘they would be insulted’ if we didn’t eat it. Then they would sag off behind the building and laugh their arses off at us. Right now, someone is doing that to Our Dennis ‘Yes, al-Faris, the Emir will have your bollocks in his next two martinis for olives if you insult him by not partaking of the national dish.’ cheers -=K=-

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Neat pic. That was the first sunshine in how many days?

Two. I don’t make any claims for the preceding three weeks, though…:-) Ron Wanttaja http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/

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Rich, Actually, I think we got it just before Missouri did. Right about when you left. 8-) — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmmm. You have to BRAG about having running water?? Geez, even in KS (which Ahrens will gleefully tell you is the armpit of the western hemisphere) we’ve had running water for quite a while now Bill. Three or four years at least. |Rich Ahrens | Homepage: http://www.visi.com/~rma/ | |"In a world full of people only some want to fly – isn’t that crazy?" |

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Hey, Ant Eater, Oysterhouse must be under water right now. He can’t even plug in to the net and see my insulting posts!

I just returned from four days in the Cascades where we had a lovely family gathering for Thanksgiving. The weather was just fine — one day of rain and three days of CAVU. We didn’t even have to ford the creek. Every day I went for a walk in the woods, ate until I couldn’t eat any more, watched football and drank Scotch Whiskey until bedtime. At each meal as we said grace I said I was thankful that I didn’t live in Las Vegas. – John (webfoot) Ousterhout – * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Not quite but close. It’s the only running water in the southern part of the state of Nevada other than the Colorado River. I’m not bull shitting you. In a good 10 billion square miles there is NO running water here south of Ely Nevada except for the Panaca area. This is an area about the size of Wisconsin with not one stream unless it rains. It’s dismal man. BWB

And, YOU LIVE THERE. Just goes to show that a pee aitch dee don’t mean shit when it comes to common sense. John Ammeter Seattle WA USA http://members.home.net/ammeterj/ 1975 Jensen Healey RV-6 (sold 4/98) EAA Technical Counselor NRA Life Member ICQ#48819374

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This is an area about the size of Wisconsin with not one stream unless it rains. It’s dismal man. BWB

Hells bells, Bill. From my house, I have more than twenty lakes, at least 5 streams that I know of, and that doesn’t even include going the other 7 miles to Lake Michigan. Ground visibility without running into a tree line is less than a mile in any direction. And you want me to bring my glider out _there_? Anyone for a trip to the beer gardens of Milwaukee, in January? It would be fun to see Bill stiffen up from the cold with his beer in his hand. (Desert rats are how we get statues for the beer gardens. Just bring them up in the cool months, and they stiffen up and turn to stone.) Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.

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I got a damn cold and I’m pissed. I’m going to take this out on something.

Hope you’ve got the same one I have, misery loves company, ya know. Settled in my upper back, right between the shoulder blades. Fun when I gotta work. Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.

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I have to go kick my dogs. Maybe I’ll shoot one of the son’s a bitches and barbecue him tomorrow.

Well, they did teach in survival school that ‘all North American mammals and birds are edible.’ They also taught that ‘edible’ doesn’t mean ‘palatable.’ (However, dog happens to be. In Korea and parts of China it’s a delicacy. Billion chinese can’t all be wrong, can they? Well… Mao? OK, they can). Cat’s not especially palatable, though, despite that ‘other white meat’ ad campaign. But you can shoot ‘em as varmints because they nest in airplanes. cheers -=K=-

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<snip Anyone for a trip to the beer gardens of Milwaukee, in January? It would be fun to see Bill stiffen up from the cold with his beer in his hand. (Desert rats are how we get statues for the beer gardens. Just bring them up in the cool months, and they stiffen up and turn to stone.)

Eh, I always wondered why the pictures on BWB’s webpage so closely resembled my garden gnomes. Who says you learn nothing on RAH? But… does anybody fly in milwaukee in January… maybe that ANG unit from New York with the C-130s on skis? (Your tax dollars in action. The aircraft which support Antarctica are based half a world away, in a place where there are normally no snow runways). Seriously though, Milwaukee has to make for unpleasant flying in the cold. Even in the Boston area I’m a shivering puppy for three to four months. The reason a 152 sells for more than a 150 here has nothing to do with the newer airframe or more durable engine. It’s simplicity itself: the 152 heater HEATS. And it’s signally warmer here than in WIsconsin. It’s no coincidence every Ole Johansson and Sven Nygaard in North America lives around there. cheers -=K=-

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of the summer next year. There are three places on that mountain where water is running all year long. Two are public and one is private…AND I OWN IT! Hmmmm. You have to BRAG about having running water?? Geez, even in KS (which Ahrens will gleefully tell you is the armpit of the western hemisphere) we’ve had running water for quite a while now Bill. And you paid $400K for THAT??

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Hey, Ant Eater, Oysterhouse must be under water right now. He can’t even plug in to the net and see my insulting posts! Figures. You guys need a good antifungal. You know, like agent orange to just wipe out all that fungus, greenery and the greenies with it. Damn tree huggers, shit….screw and even more naughty words. I’m going out tomorrow and KILL something. I got a damn cold and I’m pissed. I’m going to take this out on something. Come here Shoney I’m going to kick you! Damn wolf-dog,good for nothin but eating my ducks and chickens. You to Hunter you worthless hound dog. I have to go kick my dogs. Maybe I’ll shoot one of the son’s a bitches and barbecue him tomorrow. BWB

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of the summer next year. There are three places on that mountain where water is running all year long. Two are public and one is private…AND I OWN IT!

Hmmmm. You have to BRAG about having running water?? Geez, even in KS (which Ahrens will gleefully tell you is the armpit of the western hemisphere) we’ve had running water for quite a while now Bill. And you paid $400K for THAT?? PT Barnum WAS right. — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just logged off the CNN IR satellite photo. Stay inside today Oysterhouse…you too Ant Eater. You guys might develop fungus between your toes. For about the last 30 days, those Seattle folks haven’t seen the sun. Now Oregon is in the same condition until April. Me, on the other hand will be going flying today in the R-22, then maybe the RV-6. 300 mile vis and 65 degrees. Oh…how boring. BBWWHAHHAHHHAHAAAAA Hey, John’s I have some floats for that Minimax. In another couple weeks Independence will become a seabase for the winter. BBWWHAHHAHHAAAA! I got you a coin filter yesterday Amphitheater. I’ll try to mail the thing on Monday. Bad Billy

Listen, you poor excuse for an airman, I’ll have you know we like the rain, we like the clouds and we like the slick streets. The worst month I’ve ever had was the 3 days I spent in Las Vegas last August. You’ve told me that you don’t go flying during the summer because IT’S TOO DAMN HOT!! You just spent $400,000 to buy a pathetic little patch of barren dry dirt on the side of a mountain so you can survive another summer in LV. Just so you can be 20 degrees cooler. Shit, Bill, an old man like you ought to be smart enuf to know that even the birds migrate to where there is better weather. You can’t fly in the summer, we can’t fly in the winter, BFD. BUT, we can go outside all year in shirtsleeves. We can actually grow green things (look in one of your books, you’ll remember what green looks like) in soft fertile soil. Now, you’ve lost the opportunity to buy 11 acres of the best view in the valley complete with a deep dark and quiet canyon to walk about and watch the deer, coyotes and bear wander about. I’ll be sitting on my deck listening to the coyotes howl as I sip my scotch and soda. When I get hungry, I’ll just pluck an apple from one of my trees, pull a carrot from the ground or poach Bambi from my backyard. The only thing I won’t have on my property will be fish or airplanes. And they’re both less than 4 miles away. So, to end this with a dignified further comment: BWAAHAAABWAHHHHAAAAABWAAAAHAAAAAA I got mine and you can go suck eggs!!! John Ammeter Seattle WA USA http://members.home.net/ammeterj/ 1975 Jensen Healey RV-6 (sold 4/98) EAA Technical Counselor NRA Life Member ICQ#48819374

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So what’s your point ? You just spent $400,000 to buy a pathetic little patch of barren dry dirt on the side of a mountain so you can survive another summer in LV. Just so you can be 20 degrees cooler.

It’s 30 degrees cooler there you nimrod. That’s about $13,000 per degree. Shit, Bill, an old man like you ought to be smart enuf to know that even the birds migrate to where there is better weather. You can’t fly in the summer, we can’t fly in the winter, BFD.

I can fly in the summer. I just have to drink four gallons of water during taxi and tko. Once I’m up at 10k or so, I’m fine. You poor bastards can’t even see to get to the fucking airport for six months out of the year. BUT, we can go outside all year in shirtsleeves. We can actually grow green things (look in one of your books, you’ll remember what green looks like) in soft fertile soil.

Yeah! I remember the winters there. You bull shitter. Hell, it was always hanging right at 33 F. You couldn’t get warm in the student union. You couldn’t get warm in the hospital library (other than the engineering library cause we screwed with the thermostat in there). I was always cold, wet and miserable. I’d rather die than spend one day there in the winters. For a country bumpkin like me it was miserable to move to that big malignant tumor you call Seattle. It was like living in an ant pile. Goofy people too…in all directions. My palms are starting to sweat just thinking about it. I have no idea how I made it. I was motivated by the buck John. I knew I’d make a gob of money if I got that goofy degree from the Med school program in health physics…and I did. That was the only carrot at the end of the maze! Now, you’ve lost the opportunity to buy 11 acres of the best view in the valley complete with a deep dark and quiet canyon to walk about and watch the deer, coyotes and bear wander about. I’ll be sitting on my deck listening to the coyotes howl as I sip my scotch and soda. When I get hungry, I’ll just pluck an apple from one of my trees, pull a carrot from the ground or poach Bambi from my backyard. The only thing I won’t have on my property will be fish or airplanes. And they’re both less than 4 miles away.

Okay, you smart ass. I’m building a helipad this very day up there at 8700 ft. I’m going to sit on my porch 30 miles from my pad down here in the valley. I’m going to drink scotch, and eat filet mignon from the groceries stores or fish. I ordered 1000 Sierra gold trout too for my trout pond. Come on down and go fishing anytime near the end of the summer next year. There are three places on that mountain where water is running all year long. Two are public and one is private…AND I OWN IT! Na na naaa na naaa naaa! One more thing. My neighbor is a lifetime member of the NRA just like you and I. I’m putting up old glory at the mouth of the road where we have that gate and I’m going to fly the NRA flag below it. Next to the flag pole will be a sign that says, "NRA members only beyond this point. If you are not a member, get the hell out. If you are member you are welcome to anything we have!" So, to end this with a dignified further comment: BWAAHAAABWAHHHHAAAAABWAAAAHAAAAAA I got mine and you can go suck eggs!!!

Yeah yeah yeah. You’ll be lucky if you can find it even using a road in the winter let alone an aircraft of any sort. Shit, you and Oysterhouse can open your own seaplane base and compete with Kenmore. Don’t give me any crap or I’m not going to mail your coin separator to you. And, I know that will really piss you off. I may take it out and just shoot it with my new stainless Ruger 44 magnum. Suck air old man…that is if you are wearing a filter to get the water out. BBWWAHHAHHAHHAHAAA! Yourself. BWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -John Ammeter Seattle WA USA http://members.home.net/ammeterj/ 1975 Jensen Healey RV-6 (sold 4/98) EAA Technical Counselor NRA Life Member ICQ#48819374

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Just logged off the CNN IR satellite photo. Stay inside today Oysterhouse…you too Ant Eater. You guys might develop fungus between your toes. For about the last 30 days, those Seattle folks haven’t seen the sun. Now Oregon is in the same condition until April. Me, on the other hand will be going flying today in the R-22, then maybe the RV-6. 300 mile vis and 65 degrees. Oh…how boring. BBWWHAHHAHHHAHAAAAA Hey, John’s I have some floats for that Minimax. In another couple weeks Independence will become a seabase for the winter. BBWWHAHHAHHAAAA! I got you a coin filter yesterday Amphitheater. I’ll try to mail the thing on Monday. Bad Billy

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Sink Tip Line Question

Question:

Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

I have one of these. I use it on a six weight. Casts like hell -hinging, etc… It will get a streamer or nymph down a little, though. Effective to about six or eight feet. In general, I would not suggest it. You can do as well with a longer leader and a couple of split shot with a floating line. J

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Frank, I have one of these and they work ok in a pinch if you hit one or two deep sections and then go back to more moderate depths but if you are going to be fishing deep for extended periods of time my advice would be to buy a sink tip. I do carry the Orvis sink tip for emergency use but they are a pain to cast and don’t get you down as well as a real sink tip fly line would in my experience. Good Fishing, C. Segina

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I haven’t seen Orvis’ up close but Cortland’s tend to be too heavy for my 4 wt. I have a beat up old full sinking 9 wt line and the thin running portion of it is perfect for making mini sink tips. The only drawback is that this requires a loop to loop connection. I prefer nail-knotting a piece of thick leader material and then tying a perfection loop at the end since it lands on the water more softly than a fly-line looped end. Mu

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Frank, Splurge and go for the full line in a medium density. Use it on a longer rod with a short (3 to 4 ft) leader. The rod length is for mending and good control. Don’t believe those who say any old rod and a long leader. You need to mend and the fly needs to sink. The longer the distance between the fly and the weight of the tip section, the higher the fly will ride. You can use leader length to fine tune your drift depth. I made those mini sink tips from lead core years ago. They’ll sink your fly, but you won’t like the casting unless you’re using 8 wt line+. They cast like slinky weights on running line — chuck and duck. Mike If you buy a sink tip that has too much tip for your needs, you can just cut it down and reattach your leader butt.

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Frank: I’ve used the Orvis lead head sections – I don’t think they offer them any more – that must be similar (though shorter) than the 5 ft sink -tip head that you are looking at. These things came in 12 inch and 24 inch sections, and could be looped in at the end of the regular fly line, and the leader looped on the other end. I think they are quite useful in certain circumstances. I keep them in my vest, and if I need to go deeper in a spot they work very well – but they are not a substitute for a true sink tip line, say for lake fishing. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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I have tried these and they will sink your line well but, having a sudden transition to denser line,they are far more difficult to cast than a true sink tip line (but also cheaper). If you have the money for a line and spool, go for the full line. The most effective place for your weight lies in the fly though. Go with a longer leader and a weighted fly for the best effect. Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Line » flyfishing on henrys lake

flyfishing on henrys lake

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What would be the best way to fish at Henry’s lake in Sept. From the bank or boat or would the best fishing be in streams in the area?

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I have fished Henry’s Lake a number of times in Sept. and October. It can be very good in the fall. I prefer Henry’s Lake because the fish are big, strong cut-throats and they are ready to eat. I have fished mostly from a float tube and find it to work very well. I use a full sinking line and olive or brown crystal buggers. I would suggest that you call a guide at Henry’s Lake by the name of Bill Schiff. I think that is the right spelling. His fly fishing store is right on the main hwy. just before you head up the canyon to West Yellowstone. He knows Henry’s better than almost anyone I know. If it were me, I’d stay on Henry’s Lake unless it is real windy. At that point, I’d go over to Cliff or Wade Lakes in Montana to do the same type of fishing.

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I have fished Henry’s a number of times in September. I find that the

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Phoenix

Phoenix

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I am thinking of moving to Phoenix, but I want o know if there is anywhere to flyfish out there. If anyone could help me I would appreciate it.

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I am thinking of moving to Phoenix, but I want o know if there is anywhere to flyfish out there. If anyone could help me I would appreciate it.

By out there, I assume you mean Arizona in general. There are at least a dozen bass lakes within 1-2 hours of Phoenix, most of which support largemouth, smallmouth, crappies, panfish, whitebass, etc. Within 2-3 hours you can reach the Flagstaff Area which is surrounded by one of the largest Ponderosa Pine forests in the U.S. (7000+ ft elevation). There are a variety of lakes with rainbows, browns, walleye, northern pike and a few streams (rainbows/browns) in the area. Then 3-4 hours will bring you to the White Mountains/Apache Indian Reservation and some of the best fishing in the state. There are many lakes/streams/creeks in the area which support browns, rainbows, grayling, and native species such as the Apache and Gila trout. Recent fishing reports have mentioned quite a few 3-5 pound rainbows being caught (and hopefully released) at some of the White Mountain lakes. I shouldn’t fail to mention Lee’s Ferry on the Colorado River, 4-5 hours from Phoenix, a definite Blue-Ribbon tailwater fishery (barbless hooks, fly/artifical lure only, and slot limits). Of course, 6-10 hours will get you to quite a few places in Utah, New Mexico, and Colorado including San Juan, Animas, Boulder Mountain, etc. And don’t forget, AZ is close to Mexico and saltwater flyfishing If you want some more specific information you can contact the folks at Canyon Creek Anglers (a flyshop in Phoenix) at 602-277-8195.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Military Jeep Trailers- Who sells them?

Military Jeep Trailers- Who sells them?

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So, again, is there any outfit that sells new/used military Jeep trailers or similar ones here in the states?

I know of a place in Ogden, Utah, just north of Salt Lake where there is huge junkyard. They have a different area there where you can get all kinds of army trailers, sorry but I don’t remember what the place is called. But you can see it from the freeway on the West side. Joe

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That would be Smith & Edwards Surplus I mentioned in my previous post…. — Scott Weiser ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own. If I was a laywer, you’d be paying big bucks for this. All complaints should be

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Now that I nolonger have the luxury space of my Bronco with the Wrangler; I’m in the market for a new/used military jeep trailer. Does anyone know where I can purchase one? The Army did away with the Jeep trailer when they went to the Hummer, so I know there has to be thousands of them out there somewhere. The local Army/Navy store had some well used ones a couple of years ago and was selling them for $350.00. I suspect with the rust and artic camo paint job that they came from some units in Alaska. So, again, is there any outfit that sells new/used military Jeep trailers or similar ones here in the states? TIA, Dennis 4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4 Dennis Noes, 95 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L SE, Atlanta, GA.,USA UNFWDA-SFWDA Four Wheel Drive Education Awareness Rep. Member of United FWD Assoc., Southern 4WD Assoc., Tread Lightly and Georgia Bounty Runners 4WD Club 4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4

Try No Excuses, Inc. located in New Eygpt, NJ. # 1 800 923 JEEP (5337) or 609 758 3833 This is the best place to go for hard to find parts for Jeeps.

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Dennis, I placed my order for one of the last 4.0L YJ’s last July. While waiting for the promised October delivery, I faced with the same dilema of where to put my camping goodies along with my wife and kids when the Jeep arrived. I went looking for a trailer. Used military trailers, I soon found, are very difficult to come by. I found a company north of Sacramento (Helter Mfg. or something like that) that makes a very well designed Jeep trailer. However, the $2400 price sent me back to scouring military surplus lots with little success. In early August, while fly-fishing in Idaho, I stopped for a meal at Smitty’s in Idaho Falls. After ordering, while waiting for my food, I looked across the parking lot and there was an army surplus store with a 1/4 ton military trailer parked in front. About that time my food came, I woofed and went over to investigate. As I walked in to the store, a guy was writing a check for the trailer. When I asked if any more were available, I was told to call the next day and talk to Dana the owner. To make a long story shorter, Dana had purchased 75 of these M146 trailers from a base in Montana. All were in very good shape and were priced firm at $450 a piece. At the time he still had "several" left in his other warehouse in Shelly, ID. Apparently a Las Vegas 4×4 club had purchased 10 sight-unseen and were on there way up for them later that month. I purchased a nice brigadier general’s trailer complete with a star on the back and a pintle hitch for another $30. The trailer was built new in 1967 and still has the origonal rubber. My biggest problem was adapting the 1 1/4" mini receiver hitch on my minivan to pintle hitch. With a little engineering and a little help from a friend in Island Park we rigged up the hitch. I pulled the trailer down to my home in the S.F. Bay area with no problems. My first purchase for my YJ when it finally arrived in mid November was a Tomken Machine bumper with a 2 inch receiver. It is a well engineered bumper. The trailer pulls great and I am in the process of completing some minor body work and giving it a paint job. They are a well engineered trailer with a parking brake and the full pivet pintle eye. I have been told that the springs, shocks and hubs are all interchangable with an M38A1, but I have not been able to confirm that. I can confirm that I still get 20 mpg pulling it behind my Grand Caravan. I was back in Idaho Falls in early October. Four trailers were parked in front. I can’t remember the name of the surplus store, but I imagine that a call to Smitty’s Pancake house would get you their number. It’s a long way from Georgia, but good luck. Bill

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Sorry if this is redeudant. I missed the ezrlier part of this thread. I can lead you to scads of 1/4 ton military jeep trailers. I got one myself with a surge break system (!) for the excellent price of $400. Best place to find dealers is Military Vehicles Magazine. See my earlier and I’ll send you the detalis on the mag and maybe a few dealer names. I am kicking myself for not jumping on a 3/4 ton with surge brakes for $850 a few months back, but storage and ready cash were a bit of a problem then. These things are dynamite-like having a pickup truck at your disposal with no holding costs and very minimal maintenence costs. Oh well, maybe in the future.

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By the way, I paid $325 for the trailer and $20 for a brand new spare tire on a rim at DRMO.

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Check with any local Air Force or Army base and ask for information on DRMO. They’ll know what your talking about. I bought mine up here in Alaska. I’m in the AF and this is where me and my friends got ours along with spare tires for the trailers. I’ve had mine for two years now and it’s still in good shape. It was made in 1964 and has a little rust but it’s only on the surface, it can be sanded off easily. They are excellent for towing off-road or on the highway. I can hardly tell that it’s behind me.

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Now that I nolonger have the luxury space of my Bronco with the Wrangler; I’m in the market for a new/used military jeep trailer. Does anyone know where I can purchase one? The Army did away with the Jeep trailer when they went to the Hummer, so I know there has to be thousands of them out there somewhere. The local Army/Navy store had some well used ones a couple of years ago and was selling them for $350.00. I suspect with the rust and artic camo paint job that they came from some units in Alaska. So, again, is there any outfit that sells new/used military Jeep trailers or similar ones here in the states? TIA, Dennis 4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4 Dennis Noes, 95 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L SE, Atlanta, GA.,USA UNFWDA-SFWDA Four Wheel Drive Education Awareness Rep. Member of United FWD Assoc., Southern 4WD Assoc., Tread Lightly and Georgia Bounty Runners 4WD Club 4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4×4x4

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So, again, is there any outfit that sells new/used military Jeep trailers or similar ones here in the states? TIA,

Dennis Hopefully some of these places may be able to help, check out our new Military Vehicle Digest as it develops online: http://www.4×44u.com/pub/k2/mvd/mvd.htm PS – Dennis, we’ve wanted one of those ourselves! Antelope Valley Equipment and Truck Parts 44532 Trevor Lancaster, CA 93534 (805) 945-6788 Sarafan Auto Supply 23 North Madison Ave. Springvalley, NY 10977 (914) 356-1080 Ordinance Unlimited 20945 Osborne St. Canoga Park, CA 91304 (818) 700-2905 Thomas W. Murry Box 214 Dover, DE 19903 (302) 736-1790 Brentmullins Jeep Parts PO Box 9599 College Station, TX 77842 (409) 690-0203 Frank’s Surplus PO Box 555 Bryn Athyn, PA 19009 (215) 947-5616 Military Vehicle Locator Service PO Box 1562 Fort Collins, CO 80522 (303) 221-4920 fax/phone Rapco Parts Co. (817) 872-2403 All American Military Goods 726 West Michigan PO Box 143 New Carlisle, IN 46552 (219) 654-8081 Army Jeep Parts PO Box 1006 Bristol, PA 19007 (215) 788-6012

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Try: U.S. Surplus Expediters PO Box 158 1000 East 1700 South Clearfield, UT 84015-0158 801-825-3489 They have numerous M-101 1/4 Ton trailers, some better than others, a couple were pretty cherry with little or no rust. They also have some M-105 trailers, the larger ones with 110"x 83" ID on box, used with the deuce & 1/2, which have 9.00 x 20" Budd wheels, good for HUMMERs with a bit of lowering to get the pintle to match up and a new axle with electric brakes. Tell them I referred you. Also: Smith & Edwards Surplus 3936 N. Hiway 126 Ogden, UT 84404 801-731-1120 They have *acres* of trailers and old military surplus. Don’t buy one sight unseen unless you are willing to put up with rust, body damage, etc. and repair it. Insist on pictures and serial number verification. Better yet, grab a plane to Salt Lake and inspect it yourself, or hire me to go out and broker for you. If you are *really* interested, let me know e-mail *this weekend*, as I am going out to Salt Lake on Sunday the 7th. I’m sure we can work something out as far as inspecting/brokering/shipping. Don’t know where you can get the even smaller M-100, which is the genuine "Jeep" trailer, but if you have an immediate need, I can check with a couple of sources. The key is how much you are willing to pay, how fast you can jump on the deal, and how much you trust the dealer. I got an absolutely cherry M-105 rebuilt and repainted in 1989 with *no* rust for $450, was quoted $450-650 on M-101’s, and once paid $2000 for an M-101 with HMMWV hubs and a hydraulic surge brake. As you can see, quite a variance. Regards, — Scott Weiser P.S. *Always* insist on proper title paperwork, with the proper signatures of the original purchaser at the government auction and the proper chain of title for each owner after. I bought a trailer with the "original" DRMO paperwork from a guy in California, only to find that the DRMO listed someone else, a guy in Utah for which my guy was selling the trailer, as the "owner of record", and Colorado refused to title the trailer, citing the "shadow ownership" as title fraud, a felony. I had to send the paperwork back to the guy I bought it from, pay sales tax in California (twice what I would have paid here), and pay for California plates and registration which I never used, all to get a valid California title which Colorado would accept when applying for re-titling in Colorado. Cost me about $200 extra. Some states are not as rigid, but you’d better check *first* to see what you need in the way of title papers for an out-of-state purchase of surplus government vehicles. Make proper titling part of the *written* sales agreement, so you have an out if you can’t get it titled for some reason. ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own. If I was a laywer, you’d be paying big bucks for this. All complaints should be

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