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yes, there is a "magic fly". orders can be placed via the web at :

Excellent!  I lose a lot of flies in the bushes, so do you accept bulk orders?  I might need a gross every month. Kevin, the soon-to-be impoverished

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The most important thing is presentation, and after that, size and color (which proves, size does matter). I have been successful using limited flies, and presenting them in different ways….and am currently trying to pare my large collection down…. The problem I always run into, is visiting local flyshops, and hearing what the hot/magic Nymph, Streamer and Dryfly are for certain rivers, and not being able to resist (no matter how close they look to what I already have)…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several books I’ve read have mentioned that some people maintain that you can fill your fly box with one single fly (various sizes and colors) and always do just fine. Other resources mention that anyone who maintains this is an idiot. Strangely enough, one of my resources that says this is nonsense ("A Fish Bums Guide to Catching Larger Trout" by Mike Croft) later shows a drawing of his fly box, and you guessed it; its all chironomids. Go figure… So anyway, whats the truth: is there a ‘magic fly’? (and if so, what is it?) riverman

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Several books I’ve read have mentioned that some people maintain that you can fill your fly box with one single fly (various sizes and colors) and always do just fine. Other resources mention that anyone who maintains this is an idiot.

They’re both right  :-).   I’m convinced that having the "wrong fly" is rarely the reason when I don’t catch fish; and that even the wrong fly well presented will catch more fish that the right one presented poorly.   So yeah, a single fly in various sizes and variations will do just fine.   All other things being equal, however, it probably would be more productive to have exactly the right imitation in the right size and color, hence the existance of the fly tying industry. Joe F.

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yes, there is a "magic fly". from ronco (makers of the banjo minnow)

There’s more to this sad saga than you realize: I know the ‘inventor’ of the ‘Banjo Minnow’ personally. He’s an outfitter from central Maine, and a bigger asshole never walked this earth, GG and CF included. riverman

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What he said….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several books I’ve read have mentioned that some people maintain that you can fill your fly box with one single fly (various sizes and colors) and always do just fine. Other resources mention that anyone who maintains this is an idiot. They’re both right  :-).   I’m convinced that having the "wrong fly" is rarely the reason when I don’t catch fish; and that even the wrong fly well presented will catch more fish that the right one presented poorly.   So yeah, a single fly in various sizes and variations will do just fine. All other things being equal, however, it probably would be more productive to have exactly the right imitation in the right size and color, hence the existance of the fly tying industry. Joe F.

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I’d say ‘no’, but thats because an Adams is a pretty well-defined fly, isn’t it?

Yeah, and we all tie it wrong.  The Adams was originally a down-wing caddis type fly. Kevin, who ties them just like all the rest of you.

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On a fertile, heavily fished river, especially in the midst of a hatch, you need to have a decent imitation if you want consistent results. Some places (like some spring creeks) there might be several different hatches going on, and you’d better pick the right pattern, because the fish are keyed to that one thing.

I’d like to be able to find more opportunties to fish a single strong hatch, much less a multiple fly one. Willi

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I’m much more interested in and generally concentrate on presentation over fly selection. However, the importance of a "good" pattern depends on what type of water you’re fishing. On lightly fished infertile waters, like Walt described in NC, pattern is usually not very important. On a fertile, heavily fished river, especially in the midst of a hatch, you need to have a decent imitation if you want consistent results.

Some places (like some spring creeks) there might be several different hatches going on, and you’d better pick the right pattern, because the fish are keyed to that one thing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno  (frightening, when you think that "citizen fisherman" makes george look like willi loehman…) Don’t know how to take this, being mentioned in the same sentence with two such illustrious fellows. Well, it SOUNDED like a compliment (as to you, anyway)…

Well, it did SOUND that way to me too, but you can never be sure around here. Willi

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wayno  (frightening, when you think that "citizen fisherman" makes george look like willi loehman…) Don’t know how to take this, being mentioned in the same sentence with two such illustrious fellows.

Well, it SOUNDED like a compliment (as to you, anyway)… …well, unless you and Ginkles got into a "Here’s my picture so you can see how to be a better cross-dresser" exchange and yours won…and if you did, might I suggest that some mysteries are best left as such…<G TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi

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wayno  (frightening, when you think that "citizen fisherman" makes george look like willi loehman…) Don’t know how to take this, being mentioned in the same sentence with two such illustrious fellows.

Yeah, I’m still trying to figger that one out

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<<  later shows a drawing of his fly box, and you guessed it; its all chironomids. Go figure… That isn’t his fly box. That is his chironomid box. He may also have an Adams box and a grasshopper box and a mayfly box, etc.

And he can still float in his float tube?? riverman

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There’s more to this sad saga than you realize: I know the ‘inventor’ of the ‘Banjo Minnow’ personally. He’s an outfitter from central Maine, and a bigger asshole never walked this earth, GG and CF included. riverman

        good god.  surely a battalion of navy seals has been dispatched to eliminate the cretin. wayno  (frightening, when you think that "citizen fisherman" makes george look like willi loehman…) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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They’re both right  :-).   I’m convinced that having the "wrong fly" is rarely the reason when I don’t catch fish; and that even the wrong fly well presented will catch more fish that the right one presented poorly.   So yeah, a single fly in various sizes and variations will do just fine.   All other things being equal, however, it probably would be more productive to have exactly the right imitation in the right size and color, hence the existance of the fly tying industry.

I’m much more interested in and generally concentrate on presentation over fly selection. However, the importance of a "good" pattern depends on what type of water you’re fishing. On lightly fished infertile waters, like Walt described in NC, pattern is usually not very important. On a fertile, heavily fished river, especially in the midst of a hatch, you need to have a decent imitation if you want consistent results. Willi

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wayno  (frightening, when you think that "citizen fisherman" makes george look like willi loehman…)

Don’t know how to take this, being mentioned in the same sentence with two such illustrious fellows. Willi

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<<  later shows a drawing of his fly box, and you guessed it; its all chironomids. Go figure… That isn’t his fly box. That is his chironomid box. He may also have an Adams box and a grasshopper box and a mayfly box, etc.

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Several books I’ve read have mentioned that some people maintain that you can fill your fly box with one single fly (various sizes and colors) and always do just fine. Other resources mention that anyone who maintains this is an idiot. Strangely enough, one of my resources that says this is nonsense ("A Fish Bums Guide to Catching Larger Trout" by Mike Croft) later shows a drawing of his fly box, and you guessed it; its all chironomids. Go figure… So anyway, whats the truth: is there a ‘magic fly’? (and if so, what is it?) riverman

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So anyway, whats the truth: is there a ‘magic fly’? (and if so, what is it?)

You have a pretty broad interpretation of "one single fly" when you qualify it with "various sizes and colors". I mean, is an Adams with an olive thorax still an Adams ? Still, the answer to your query is no, of course not. Do you really think we’d spend enormous amounts of mental and physical energy in the pursuit of trout with a fly if it were as simple as tying on the "magic fly" ? — Ken Fortenberry

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In my experience the truth lies somewhere in between, and again, I preface this that this applies to fishing here in NZ and I do appreciate there will be differences with circumstances elsewhere in world. I have found that presentation exceeds the choice of fly significantly. the best tied fly will not fool any fish if it is not behaving as the natural might. Trout also, during the course of their day, will eat small stones, sticks, leaves and all manner of things, as Ed Zern once said who is to say the trout doesn’t think our fly is a bit of steel with feathers attached and wants to see what it tastes like?.. they eat everything else???? In all seriousness, If my flybox only contained halfbacks, pheasant tails, hare’s ears, Adams, Stimulators, Humpies I think I would fish pretty happily forever. but what fun would that be….. I’ve never believed in the magic fly, but some styles certainly have a magic about them. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several books I’ve read have mentioned that some people maintain that you can fill your fly box with one single fly (various sizes and colors) and always do just fine. Other resources mention that anyone who maintains this is an idiot. Strangely enough, one of my resources that says this is nonsense ("A Fish Bums Guide to Catching Larger Trout" by Mike Croft) later shows a drawing of his fly box, and you guessed it; its all chironomids. Go figure… So anyway, whats the truth: is there a ‘magic fly’? (and if so, what is it?) riverman

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So anyway, whats the truth: is there a ‘magic fly’? (and if so, what is it?) riverman

        it’s all a matter of location and temerature.  i have never seen a stream in the appalachians from april through november that i couldn’t catch fish with any size 14 dry fly or nymph in the popular pantheon.  *if i presented it properly*, of course.         it ain’t exactly the toughest thing in the world to do. your friend in the old north state wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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So anyway, whats the truth: is there a ‘magic fly’? (and if so, what is it?) You have a pretty broad interpretation of "one single fly" when you qualify it with "various sizes and colors". I mean, is an Adams with an olive thorax still an Adams ?

I’d say ‘no’, but thats because an Adams is a pretty well-defined fly, isn’t it? And then again, saying ‘a generic upwing dry’ is a bit too general. For an example of what I mean, go to http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ and follow the links on the left to ‘Fly Tying’, then scroll down and select ‘#9: SHWAPF’. I’ve heard the same claim about chironomids, and also about some other wet fly (which I’ve forgotten). Still, the answer to your query is no, of course not. Do you really think we’d spend enormous amounts of mental and physical energy in the pursuit of trout with a fly if it were as simple as tying on the "magic fly" ?

Hmm, I’m not convinced that we fly fish because its the <easiest way to catch fish. I figured we deliberately make it harder by trying to design flies for specific events at specific times, mostly for the fun of demonstrably ‘figuring it out’. riverman

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hmmm…in the past couple seasons I have taken a fancy to using #16 parachute ant patterns in all sorts of different conditions and have been consistantly surprised at what a productive fly it is…add to that a mitt-full of various Usuals, some Adams in small sizes, a couple Ausable Wulffs and a few bead-head caddis larvae and I’m a happy camper (except on those days when I need 150 other patterns or life just won’t be worth living…heehee) Eugene Knapik Toronto

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm, even if one fly did it all, I really enjoy tying and presenting different flies as a major part of this hobby.  I am always interested in new patterns, new technology, and new research.  It is what makes it so fun for me and, of course, talking with and experiencing fly fishing with my buddies who have lots of opinions about patterns is pretty cool too. Padishar Creel — If I only could take one fly to my home waters it be the bead head pheasant tail…but it would be so lonely

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Hmmm, even if one fly did it all, I really enjoy tying and presenting different flies as a major part of this hobby.  I am always interested in new patterns, new technology, and new research.  It is what makes it so fun for me and, of course, talking with and experiencing fly fishing with my buddies who have lots of opinions about patterns is pretty cool too. Padishar Creel — If I only could take one fly to my home waters it be the bead head pheasant tail…but it would be so lonely

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So anyway, whats the truth: is there a ‘magic fly’?

You can’t ever go wrong with a #6 Sofa Pillow.

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I wouldn’t think of hassling Dave!  He’s quite the fine gentleman.  I was just interested in his thoughts on the subject.  I didn’t get into the URL, but from the gist of the statement posted I gathered that out-of-staters were less than welcome under the bill. Could pose serious difficulties for ‘clavers, if all states pursue such a practice.  Like Ken said, kind of hard to discuss a subject–intelligently– with so little info.  Not that I could do so with all the facts. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The man’s angry, Mark. It’s all right. He has a right to his feelings. He’s usually a reasonable fellow. He’ll calm down. Let him be. Maybe it’s my glasses. Some people just get pissed of about my glasses… Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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damn. you were one of the ’some’. Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

O.K., then BLOW ME. Wolfgang

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To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME.

Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility? –Steve

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To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME. Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility?

I don’t think there’s any latent hostility. Lennie had a bit of a troll going on in his closing remark, Dave gave him a short but sweet swat for his troubles, and Wolfgang – well, that’s just Wolfgang doing his part to keep the rest of the group from sleeping… /daytripper (ie: same shite/different day

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME. Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility? I don’t think there’s any latent hostility. Lennie had a bit of a troll going on in his closing remark, Dave gave him a short but sweet swat for his troubles, and Wolfgang – well, that’s just Wolfgang doing his part to keep the rest of the group from sleeping… /daytripper (ie: same shite/different day

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Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

Who the hell is this Pete guy? What makes him think he’s better than anyone else? <g — Charlie…

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than anyone else? <g — Charlie…

I don’t know why anyone is getting their panties iin a tightwad. Telling someone to blow me is the way I have talked since I was about six years old. I think this kind of talk is why South Park is so popular; the kids talk the same way we all have for all of our lives. There ain’t no reason to lighten up. We are just having a good time. Don’t take all this shit so serious, just enjoy it. Big Dale

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Don’t take all this shit so serious, just enjoy it.

Me? Serious? <g — Charlie…

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— Charlie…

Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. Big Dale

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire.

Look, asshole – are you threatening to burn my house down?  Sheesh, some people….  And just why are calling some school secretary and telling her to hold my calls?  And don’t pull any of that coy, "Oh, I didn’t mean you" bullshit.  I may be paranoid, but I can read between the lines (well, I can when I have on my thick glasses and can see my monitor)….. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time.

Well, yeah, there’s that, of course.  This contentiously adversarial attitude is slyly hidden from those who read ROFF before posting, therefore insuring a fresh supply of concerned citizens for Wolfgang and Dave to eat for lunch…. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

It’s the rich diet and winter inactivity – typing, apparently, ain’t exercise… R

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Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad.

I didn’t know Peter wore panties!   Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad.

Oh, you mean LaPlac… <G — Charlie…

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Uh Dave, can you move me out of *that* cabin? Frank (no crossdresser here) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. I didn’t know Peter wore panties! Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls.

Actually, I liked the hot tub scene better: RD:"So, what’s your major?" Girl: "Literature" RD: "Great.   Maybe you can help me straighten out my Longfellow." Joe F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off but if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I probably would have done it anyway. But some folks perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire.  Life is a two way street Lennie.  Lighten up, for your own sake. Wolfgang back at ya

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Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. I didn’t know Peter wore panties!   Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

Don’t worry sweetiekins, I’m not bringing any of the ones with knots in them. Peter (who is really touched by all of the concern over his feelings.)

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I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues.

I asked my Dad, who is the outdoors columnist for the Montana Standard in Butte, MT, about this, and this is part of his response: <begin quote The FOAM people have also been among the most difficult people to deal with every time someone tries to put a lid on outfitting.  They’ll be invited to work on committees, and they’ll be disruptive on the committee, and after the committees try to come up with something all can agree on, they’ll renege on the deal.  Their total goal is growth of the outfitting industry and to hell with the ordinary guy from Butte–or anywhere else. My recommendation is to send Judy Martz an email to do the opposite of what Robin Cunningham says. <end quote

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The man’s angry, Mark. It’s all right. He has a right to his feelings. He’s usually a reasonable fellow. He’ll calm down. Let him be. Maybe it’s my glasses. Some people just get pissed of about my glasses… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Sorry about that URL. I tried the damned thing again and they’ve put some password protection on it. Hm. Interesting what you said about Robin Cunningham and his constituency. Makes good sense.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … If you would like to help defeat this bill … Robin Cunningham represents the interests of the Fishing Outfitters Association of Montana, FOAM. The interests of the fishing outfitters do not necessarily coincide with the interests of the fishery or even with the interests of out-of-state fishermen. I discussed this issue at length with Robin this past summer and I can see where he’s coming from in representing his constituency but the URL http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup doesn’t work for me so I can’t see what form this most contentious legislation has finally taken. I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues. — Ken Fortenberry

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… If you would like to help defeat this bill …

Robin Cunningham represents the interests of the Fishing Outfitters Association of Montana, FOAM. The interests of the fishing outfitters do not necessarily coincide with the interests of the fishery or even with the interests of out-of-state fishermen. I discussed this issue at length with Robin this past summer and I can see where he’s coming from in representing his constituency but the URL http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup doesn’t work for me so I can’t see what form this most contentious legislation has finally taken. I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sorry. Did I write "some"? I meant "several".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you,

To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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damn. you were one of the ’some’.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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This was forwarded to me by the owner of a fly shop in Missoula: If you would like to help defeat this bill there is a phone number below you can call and leave a message. To email Governor Martz, go to http://www.discoveringmontana.com:88/gov/mailform3.htm. Warmest regards to some of you, LR below is a msg I received from the fishing outfitters association of Montana regarding a move to limit non-resident fishing license — make no mistake – the fish and game commision of Montana doesn’t give a damn about what is best for the resource; they are only concerned that someone from Butte can go to the river without seeing someone not from Montana, and they have no business deciding this huge economic question for the state…. what can you do? read the memo below – if you are from Montana, please contact the proper legislators and let them know that if MT is ever to move from an extractive economy this is no way to go about it, and let the new governor, Judy Martz, know the same (at the same #)– if you live out of state please let the Governor know the amount of $ you pour into the local economy every year and also mention the amount of donations you’ve made toward conservation efforts in MT, because of folks just like you the fishing here is as good as it is!! Thank you for your time John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - —–Original Message—– To: FOAM outfitter : ; <FOAM outfitter : ; Folks: On Tuesday, Jan. 16, in room 152 of the Capitol building in Helena, Rep. Dan Fuchs (R), Billings, will introduce his HB 228 intended to authorize the FWP Commission to make rules to control the number of nonresident anglers who may fish on a river subject to an FWP management plan.  The nonresidents may be required to purchase one of a limited number of annual "trophy water permits" via a drawing.  The commission will be authorized to determine the number of permits, the cost, and must "document" the need for limits on angling use on "designated waters" during "some part of a license year."  You can get a copy of the bill at: http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup Communities around the state that depend on nonresident angler dollars are upset about this idea.  And, for outfitters, a drawing would spell slow death to our regular customers.  Please contact your legislator on TUESDAY (Monday’s a state and fed. holiday) by calling 406-444-4800 and leaving a message.  Key legislators are those on the House Fish & Game Committee: Dan Fuchs (Billings) Joe Balyeat (Bozeman) George Golie (Great Falls) Keith Bales (Otter) Debby Barrett (Dillon) Paul Clark (Trout Creek) Ron Devlin (Terry) Tom Facey (Missoula) Steve Gallus (Butte) Gail Gutsche (Missoula) Larry Jent (Bozeman) Jeff Laszloffy (Laurel) Diane Rice (Harrison) Nancy Rice Fritz (Missoula) Rick Ripley (Wolf Creek) Allen Rome (Garrison) Jim Shockley (Victor) Don Steinbesser (Sidney) Bill Thomas (Hobson) Brett Tramelli (Great Falls) Let these people hear from you!  Start leaving messages after 7:30 a.m. at 406-444-4800.  Just tell the operator which legislator you want the message to go to and keep it brief. Thanks. Robin

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I’m not the master chemist, but it seems to me that this would be difficult.  The stuff you use to keep your hands warm is something like cayenne pepper, and it works by stimulation the flow of blood.

Many of the hand warmers available today are actually little packets of iron filings, common salt, and activated charcoal (and perhaps some secret ingredient, "X") which work by an exothermic high speed oxidation of the iron.  In other words, they really do produce a significant amount of heat…..it isn’t merely a matter of fooling the nerves in your fingers or toes. As for something that reacts with water, magnesium powder would do that.

Not sure about this one.  I used to mess around with magnesium as a kid and never saw any kind of reaction to water (other than noting that even large quantities of snow will not extinguish the stuff once ignited!). Sodium, on the other hand, reacts spectacularly when it gets wet.  Do NOT try this one at home boys and girls! Wolfgang

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Need to provide a little more information… What does it say on the BUTT SECTION ? If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless…. Oh good start,  T-bone,  Canadian judge gives this egging troll an 8 on subtlety, Now the question is will the quarry be attracted?

_______  Heck Steve, I rose to that fly like a Trip to the Toilet bowl! LOL!!!! God!  I love this place. Mr. G.

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Steve Cooper: (snipped good stuff) <<Stevo the Howard Cosell impersonator Hell, man, now I know why you want a hat!  To hide that terrible looking rug on your head!  <g Dave L.

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Take it elsewhere pal. We’re all getting pretty tired of people spamming bamboo rods of unknown quality on this site.

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With all that goes on in this group, I have trouble labelling a one time post about a rod for sale as Spam. It seems appropriate to me to make a ONE TIME post about a fly fishing item for sale in this newsegroup. Short fishing note.  Because of all the unseasonably warm weather lately, the farmers have been irrigating again.  The rivers are VERY low. Last night I was fishing to midging fish that were making wakes when they moved to take a bug. It looked more like spawning fish (it wasn’t) than feeding ones. They were very spooky in the slow current and low water and very acrobatic when hooked. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take it elsewhere pal. We’re all getting pretty tired of people spamming bamboo rods of unknown quality on this site.

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With all that goes on in this group, I have trouble labelling a one time post about a rod for sale as Spam. It seems appropriate to me to make a ONE TIME post about a fly fishing item for sale in this newsegroup.

Sorry Willi, you are right. I guess I’m just getting a little testy about all the bandwidth wasted on the subject of bamboo rods of questionable pedigree.

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Black helicopters? Black helicopters? We don knee no stinkin Black helicopters Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Martina/Larry (gender challenged??) –  now this is a bona-fide cross-posting!!! A friend of mine has a bamboo fly fishing rod and wants to get rid of it,for money of course. How much is he offering? I’ll take it off his hands for $20, just send me the money at the same time as the rod, no problemo   It’s not just old, it’s also still catching fish. sounds like wayno… Not quite correct, if it was "not just old, its also still catching bait"it would be just like Wayno

        if there’s one thing worse than a damn yankee, it’s a misinformed canuck.  :) wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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FYI "Canuck"is the ethnic slur for French Canadians. The correct slur for generic Canadians is "Cheeser," or "Frostback." Dave

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Heck Dave, I thought it was "Hoser". ) Frank ("Hoosier") Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FYI "Canuck"is the ethnic slur for French Canadians. The correct slur for generic Canadians is "Cheeser," or "Frostback." Dave

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FYI "Canuck"is the ethnic slur for French Canadians. The correct slur for generic Canadians is "Cheeser," or "Frostback." Dave

_____  I’d prefer to say, "Great Neighbors". Mr. G.

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A friend of mine has a bamboo fly fishing rod and wants to get rid of it, for money of course, and was wondering if there is a market for such a fine old piece of art.  It’s not just old, it’s also still catching fish. Not being a fisherman myself, I though I would bait you guys first, pardon the pun, and see what kind of response I will get. Thanks, Larry

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Martina/Larry (gender challenged??) –  now this is a bona-fide cross-posting!!! A friend of mine has a bamboo fly fishing rod and wants to get rid of it,for money of course.

How much is he offering?   It’s not just old, it’s also still catching fish. sounds like wayno… Not being a fisherman myself, I though I would bait you guys first, pardon the pun, and see what kind of response I will get.

will this do? Thanks, Larry

yer welcome. jeff ps – you might want to provide a few more details about the rod if you want a serious reply…no guarantee you’ll get one, but it might help.

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Need to provide a little more information… What does it say on the BUTT SECTION ? If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless…. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Not being a fisherman myself, I though I would bait you guys first, pardon the pun, and see what kind of response I will get.

Uh, this is a fly fishing newsgroup.  Bait is a four letter word. Keith

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Martina/Larry (gender challenged??) –  now this is a bona-fide cross-posting!!! A friend of mine has a bamboo fly fishing rod and wants to get rid of it,for money of course. How much is he offering?

I’ll take it off his hands for $20, just send me the money at the same time as the rod, no problemo   It’s not just old, it’s also still catching fish. sounds like wayno…

Not quite correct, if it was "not just old, its also still catching bait"it would be just like Wayno

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Need to provide a little more information… What does it say on the BUTT SECTION ? If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless….

Nah, it’s that crazy UPS guy. — Charlie…

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Need to provide a little more information… What does it say on the BUTT SECTION ? If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless….

Oh good start,  T-bone,  Canadian judge gives this egging troll an 8 on subtlety, Now the question is will the quarry be attracted?

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Tim Walker: <<If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless…. Cheap shot, Tim.  Not like you.  Very cheap shot.

OOoh too bad!, a beautiful rise and take,  but the wrong species…… Will T-bone lay out another cast? or is he still confident in his original presentation? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave L.

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Tim Walker: <<If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless…. Cheap shot, Tim.  Not like you.  Very cheap shot. Dave L.

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If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip

Not fair you guys…you know that tip was straight when it left the factory…must have been that black helicopter that bent the tip. Big Dale

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Steve  Cooper: <<OOoh too bad!, a beautiful rise and take,  but the wrong species…… Will T-bone lay out another cast? or is he still confident in his original presentation? No rise and no take, Steve.  This is Timbo’s way of "egging" on Tripper.  I said he could *not* be egged on, and he can’t.  But I did not mean shit like this.  I meant "egged on" as George meant it — to get Tripper to do something that he knew was dishonorable. NO ONE can make Day Tripper (Dave Tatosian) do something like that. Egg him into a fight like this?  I think he will stay out of it just to fuck over Timbo. So, like I said, lad, "Cheap shot". Dave L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve  Cooper: <<OOoh too bad!, a beautiful rise and take,  but the wrong species…… Will T-bone lay out another cast? or is he still confident in his original presentation? No rise and no take, Steve.  This is Timbo’s way of "egging" on Tripper.  I said he could *not* be egged on, and he can’t.  But I did not mean shit like this.  I meant "egged on" as George meant it — to get Tripper to do something that he knew was dishonorable. NO ONE can make Day Tripper (Dave Tatosian) do something like that. Egg him into a fight like this?  I think he will stay out of it just to fuck over Timbo. So, like I said, lad, "Cheap shot".

 I’m cool with that, Dave,  I know most of the story on this one, I’m just having a  little fun, Actually I think T-B is just trying to have a little fun too. I was pretty sure that DT wouldn’t be drawn in by T-B’s troll here but I just tried to make this thread a bit more interesting by adding the colour commentary. Stevo the Howard Cosell impersonator

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no — it was a blue UN helicopter, scouting out the US for conquest, scaring fish and bending tips. You don’t see them in the east — our tips are already bent .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip Not fair you guys…you know that tip was straight when it left the factory…must have been that black helicopter that bent the tip. Big Dale

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Need to provide a little more information… What does it say on the BUTT SECTION ? If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless…. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

: )))))))))))))))))))) !  I can’t help it if you make me laugh, but that was kinda a low blow even for an unqualified Trippered judged rod T-bone.  You are soooooooooooo funny!   whew* Thanks, I needed that! Mr. G.

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Need to provide a little more information… What does it say on the BUTT SECTION ? If it’s got a defective ferrule OR a bent trip, the chances are good that it has been "Trippered" and is useless…. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

_______  Very insightful pal.  Keen of eye.  A ‘Trippered Conversation’ is more like it, to be perfectly frank.  "Of Course," that could cover also the tipper section but definitely the the Big Butt Section of a two act rod team?         You have to be one of the most honest posters in all of Roffdom. You are most appreciated pal. Mr. G.

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Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack.

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Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack.

Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I’m not sure of the model and year of the reel you have, but I not seen a Seamaster under $1,100 in a long time down here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bill- Is this an "S" handle reel or the one with the flat plate with the single knob mounted directly to it? If it is the latter and in v/g to exc condition, you might see upwards of $1500 for it. In lesser condition, considerably less. If it is an "S" handle, they are highly collectible in good condition and could bring $1500 to $2000. Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bill — Try contacting Bob Berger, owner of Bonefish Bob’s, a flyfishing store in Islamorada, FL. Bonefish Bob specializes in used saltwater flyfishing equipment and is an expert in Seamaster reels. Sorry, I don’t have his phone number handy, but I’m sure you can get it from information. BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill- Is this an "S" handle reel or the one with the flat plate with the single knob mounted directly to it? If it is the latter and in v/g to exc condition, you might see upwards of $1500 for it. In lesser condition, considerably less. If it is an "S" handle, they are highly collectible in good condition and could bring $1500 to $2000. Good luck. Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I understand these boats are great for getting around the Texas flats looking for redfish and trout, but I wonder how a SOT kayak would handle the small rivers and lakes of central Texas. Anyone with experience on these craft?

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I bought an Aquaterra Swing last fall and have only fished out of it twice.  On both occasions, however, it has proved to be a very stable craft, quiet, and easy to paddle.  The one drawback is that you will get wet, so it’s much more comfortable in warm weather/water.  Of course, you could wear waders or a wet suit. I have yet to try it in moving water, but would think it would operate quite nicely in moderate flows. Regards,  -William Ivey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand these boats are great for getting around the Texas flats looking for redfish and trout, but I wonder how a SOT kayak would handle the small rivers and lakes of central Texas. Anyone with experience on these craft?

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I thought of rigging outriggers to a regular kayak so you could stand while flyfishing if you desired. Anyone ever try this. MichaelSmith

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I understand these boats are great for getting around the Texas flats looking for redfish and trout, but I wonder how a SOT kayak would handle the small rivers and lakes of central Texas. Anyone with experience on these craft?

        I use an SOT for tooling around in the reservoirs and impoundments of central Virginia, and I have a blast.  I can duck into really shallow areas, and can portage the boat and my rod fairly easily.  My only trouble has been the occasional hooking of the bow hardware; it is really tough to pull any flies out without beaching.  However, I feel more stable in the SOT (don’t flame me-that is just a PERSONAL preference, not a condemnation of canoes), so I prefer it to a canoe.  Since SOTs are so responsive to the paddle, almost as much as a traditional kayak, I havesome  problems using mine in moving water and fishing at the same time.  I tend to get wrapped up in one or the other, so I can’t get both done.  However, from my days living in Houston, I remember some of the central Texas rivers like the Guadalupe are relatively slow, like our local river-fed impoundments.  By all means try it; I have a blast with mine. Dan Johnson

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I have been kayaking for several years, and have both sea and whitewater boats.  I often fish from my sea kayak.  As far as SOT’s go, they are the fastest growing segment in kayaking, so if you don’t like what’s out there now, wait until next year.  Best advice is visit the nearest dealer that carries the major brands of SOT’s (Aquaterra, Dagger, Ocean Kayak), and paddle them all — take your gear and see how it fits on and in the boat.  See how stable/unstable it is while casting.  Any good dealer will spend the time with you so you get what you want.   Most likely you will find a short touring boat best for lakes and moving water up to Class II rapids.  Whitewater SOT’s will be too tippy and not track well enough for you to enjoy on lakes, but paddle them anyway — find out for yourself.  You may want to consider a high quality inflatable kayak like AIRE, SOAR, or Northwest River Supplies — packable, durable, responsive, stable as heck.  Good luck.

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

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Sorry to be glib on what is supposed to be a serious request, BUT, I just realized that I must have been wearing womens waders all along.  Why else would the zipper be missing from where I need it the most? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands.

Orvis is just one of many manufacturers that makes a women’s wader. If your local shop doesn’t carry them you can always mail order. jackie billings, mt

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

Hi David, Orvis sells excellent women’s waders (both rubber and neoprene).  They aren’t cheap but they’re good.  A quick web search should get you a catalogue (that’s how I got mine). –Margot F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David Hi David, Orvis sells excellent women’s waders (both rubber and neoprene).  They aren’t cheap but they’re good.  A quick web search should get you a catalogue (that’s how I got mine). –Margot F.

LL Bean also offers woman’s waders and custom made waders too.  They are on the web as well. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Orvis is just one of many manufacturers that makes a women’s wader. If your local shop doesn’t carry them you can always mail order.

Someone also once posted the address of a California company called Damselfly which specializes in women’s flyfishing needs. Their number is 1-800-966-4166. I haven’t dealt with them personally, being a double victim of both chronic poverty and the Canadian exchange rate, but I’m willing to bet they’re worth checking out before going to Orvis… — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

Bare, Simms and Orvis have womans neoprene wader. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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 I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been  unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order  dealer and/or any suggestions on brands.

If your wife is what is considered average in size, Damsel Fly should have waders to fit her.  Otherwise, any of the companies that custom make waders is your best bet.  Mine came from StreamLine in Bainbridge, Washington but most good flyshops can order for you and will have the necessary form to get all the measurements right.  I’m not sure if all the manufacturers are making a women’s cut in waders yet but StreamLine does.                         – Jewelee

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Hi, My wife wears Simms Womens neoprene waders and loves them.  She has gotten quite a bit of use out of them.  They are a bit expensive (I don’t know how much wading your wife will be doing), and the pair she has is purple (which just happens to be her favorite color). Actually, the waders appear dark blue in the water. Otherwise, the ORvis womens waders have received good reviews also from a few women I have guided. -paul Paul Williamson Emigrant, MT 59027

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I know nothing about fly fishing or tying, but own a bead business and have recently begun to get inquiries about beads suitable for use in tying flies. I’d be most appreciative of any info you could pass my way–are beads often used in tying flies? Any book suggestions? Please email me. Thanks! Barry Kahn — web site:  http://caravanbeads.com Caravan Beads Inc 449 Forest Ave Portland, ME 04101 207-761-2503 fax: 207-874-2664

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I know nothing about fly fishing or tying, but own a bead business and have recently begun to get inquiries about beads suitable for use in tying flies. I’d be most appreciative of any info you could pass my way–are beads often used in tying flies? Any book suggestions? Please email me. Thanks! Barry Kahn — web site:  http://caravanbeads.com Caravan Beads Inc 449 Forest Ave Portland, ME 04101 207-761-2503 fax: 207-874-2664

Hi Barry, Beads are added to flies used under the water’s surface. This practice has been around for years but regained popularity several years ago. Bead sizes vary from about 3/32" to about 3/16". By the way, are you a bead distributor or retailor? Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

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I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

Flyfishing in Norway can be both expensive and cheap. The country has with no doubt one of the worlds best and richest variety of streams, rivers, lakes and Europes longest coastline, were you can fish for both salmon and sea trout in salt water, beside of other seagoing species. The best areas for Atlantic Salmon is on the West-Coast (Vestlandet), Mid-Norway (Troendelag) and the Northern part of Norway (Nord-Norge). Even in the central part of the nation it is possible to flyfish for salmon and brown trout, if you prefer that. No guides are required (as in US and Canada, the commercial boost is not loose yet here..) Take your own gear with you. Fishing-gear is rather expensive in local shops if you compare with US& Canada-prices. There are around 400 registered rivers with Atlantic Salmon. Before fishing: You have to pay tax to the authoroties: Go to any postoffice and pay FISKERAVGIFT, 180 nkr in 1995. Aprx: 30 $. Now you can fish for salmon and seatrout in saltwater for free! Fishing in rivers: Buy FISHINGCARD. Sold from campingsites, local Tourist-offices. Most rivers: 100-200 nkr pr. day. 16-32 USD. Most expensive: West-Coast: Worst case: 30000-40000 nkr a day. Some English Lords still prefer to cash out 200000-300000 nkr for a whole week. But then they have all the river for themselves. In some rivers there are regulations on where foreigners can fish. NO BAG LIMITS. NO CATCH AND RELEASE required. Some rivers have days where the fish get to rest from fishermen. Usually Sunday-Monday. Fly patterns: My special favorite: Green Highlander. All hair-flies that are meant for salmon will go. Flies that pretend to be shrimps can be very succesfull! Colourchoosing: Ligth weather, sunny: Light coloured flies. Darker weather: Darker flies. Night: Black flies. Warm weather, warm river: Small flies. Cold river, much water: Large flies. For those who prefer bait and spoons: No foreign worms allowed. Espc. ban on German worms. No shrimps allowed. Spoons: Buck Special, Toby and Moeresilda in 20-45 grams are prefered, together with other slim spoons. Choose silverspoon in sunny weather. Green or brown spoons in darker weather. If you need any additional information on rivers, lakes or other places to fish in any part of Norway, I can provide you with more information on prices, where to go and where to call. Good luck Regards Jan Gunnar Furuly Norwegian flyfisher Ski, Norway.

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  I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in   Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as   a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

 Flyfishing in Norway can be both expensive and cheap.  The country has with no doubt one of the worlds best and richest  variety of streams, rivers, lakes and Europes longest coastline,  were you can fish for both salmon and sea trout in salt water, beside  of other seagoing species.  The best areas for Atlantic Salmon is on the West-Coast (Vestlandet),  Mid-Norway (Troendelag) and the Northern part of Norway (Nord-Norge).  Even in the central part of the nation it is possible to flyfish  for salmon and brown trout, if you prefer that.  No guides are required (as in US and Canada, the commercial boost  is not loose yet here..)  Take your own gear with you. Fishing-gear is rather expensive in  local shops if you compare with US& Canada-prices.  There are around 400 registered rivers with Atlantic Salmon.  Before fishing:  You have to pay tax to the authoroties: Go to any postoffice  and pay FISKERAVGIFT, 180 nkr in 1995. Aprx: 30 $.  Now you can fish for salmon and seatrout in saltwater for free!  Fishing in rivers:  Buy FISHINGCARD. Sold from campingsites, local Tourist-offices.  Most rivers: 100-200 nkr pr. day. 16-32 USD.  Most expensive: West-Coast: Worst case: 30000-40000 nkr a day.  Some English Lords still prefer to cash out 200000-300000 nkr  for a whole week. But then they have all the river for themselves.  In some rivers there are regulations on where foreigners can fish.  NO BAG LIMITS.  NO CATCH AND RELEASE required.  Some rivers have days where the fish get to rest from fishermen.  Usually Sunday-Monday.  Fly patterns: My special favorite: Green Highlander.  All hair-flies that are meant for salmon will go.  Flies that pretend to be shrimps can be very succesfull!  Colourchoosing: Ligth weather, sunny: Light coloured flies.  Darker weather: Darker flies.  Night: Black flies.  Warm weather, warm river: Small flies.  Cold river, much water: Large flies.  For those who prefer bait and spoons:  No foreign worms allowed. Espc. ban on German worms.  No shrimps allowed.  Spoons: Buck Special, Toby and Moeresilda in 20-45 grams are  prefered, together with other slim spoons.  Choose silverspoon in sunny weather. Green or brown spoons in  darker weather.  If you need any additional information on rivers, lakes or other  places to fish in any part of Norway, I can provide you with more  information on prices, where to go and where to call.  Good luck  Regards  Jan Gunnar Furuly  Norwegian flyfisher  Ski, Norway.

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Hi everyone, I just started fly tying (a X-Mas gift) and I like it very much. I’m astounded at what I can do with my ten thumbs. I was wandering if there was any flies database? A database that would include pattern, variance, region for fishing the fly and an image of the fly to see it before tying it. If this databse exist, where? Thank you for your time and patience. Dep. Sc.Education           FrancoMedia: 101:190/600 U.Q.T.R.                    FidoNet    : 1:167/420 C.P.500                     Fax        : (819) 376-5127 Trois-Rivieres, Que.        Phone      : (819) 376-5095 (messages) CANADA   G9A 5H7             ~~~ * VbReader 2.22 #67 * Diner non pret: (A)vorter (R)eessayer (P)izza

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There is a very good IBM program which I think is called Flybase that does what you describe. There is a company in Boston called Hypercomplete Angler that sells a mac based program as well. Computer based fishing programs were covered in one of last year’s Fly Fisherman magazines. The Flybase program is now carried by many fly shops. I know Gates Au Sable Lodge in Grayling Michigan carries it.  Good Luck–Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor.

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