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This is rather long winded, but 5 days of fishing take a while to describe, and it was a great trip.  I’ll post another report on flies, leaders, and tactics in general.

[a toothy snip] After dinner it was time to fly out to Yellowknife and then home the next morning.  Despite the freak wind storm, this was a great trip.   Next year we’ll do it again. Chas A piker if there ever was one! See www.enodah.com for more info about the resort.

Chas, I hope you’re able to put this post, the tactics one, and the photos up on a website as this one is a keeper fer sure. Were you finding these fish mostly in the shallows and catching them mostly either on top or near the surface?  When I fished Blatchford Lake NWT, I found the pike ranged between tight up to the bank in barely enough water to cover their backs, all of the way down to 15′ or more.  The pike in your area definitely were larger than the ones at Blatchford and as pike are so slow growing up North, I wonder why these fish are consistently so large – did the lodge offer any opinions? Might want to also post this to can.rec.fishing – those boys need the help. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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 the wind increased to about 30mph,

Just 30?  A pleasant breeze… Sounds like you had a great trip; nice report. Kevin

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Having spent my career as a programmer, I’ve resisted building a web page, but maybe it’s time. This trip was during that post-post-spawn time when the fish have moved out of the shallows and are mostly resting in the middle depths.  If we had been a week earlier we’d have caught a lot of them in the shallows.  Another week and they’d be back in the shallows.  Maybe it was the storm that drove them out.  In any event, the North Arm is a large string of islands with almost no water as deep as 15 feet.  These fish were in 3 to 5 feet, out in the middle of the bay.   The large fish are a result of minimal fishing preasure for the size of the area.  The season is a couple months long, Ragnar has room for a max of 16 people, and only fills the resort for two or three prime weeks in June.  He only keeps a few fish a day for lunch, and those are 25 to 30 inches long.  Steve Probasco of Northwest Flyfishing had the same experience with the size of the fish, Great Slave Lake has the bigger fish. As for survival, one of the other guys caught a 38" fish with a healed whole in his head.  The guide, Frank, remembered the fish from a couple years ago when it was 36 inches.  One inch a year for this fish. As for can.rec.fishing, both of those guys should read r.o.f.f.   This is where the action is. Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chas, I hope you’re able to put this post, the tactics one, and the photos up on a website as this one is a keeper fer sure. Were you finding these fish mostly in the shallows and catching them mostly either on top or near the surface?  When I fished Blatchford Lake NWT, I found the pike ranged between tight up to the bank in barely enough water to cover their backs, all of the way down to 15′ or more.  The pike in your area definitely were larger than the ones at Blatchford and as pike are so slow growing up North, I wonder why these fish are consistently so large – did the lodge offer any opinions? Might want to also post this to can.rec.fishing – those boys need the help. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Pleasant breeze?  With that experience from Devil’s Lake, it wasn’t too hard to cast, but up there that wind is rare in the spring and summer.   I think we should move the clave north next year. Anybody interested? Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  the wind increased to about 30mph, Just 30?  A pleasant breeze… Sounds like you had a great trip; nice report. Kevin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having spent my career as a programmer, I’ve resisted building a web page, but maybe it’s time. This trip was during that post-post-spawn time when the fish have moved out of the shallows and are mostly resting in the middle depths.  If we had been a week earlier we’d have caught a lot of them in the shallows. Another week and they’d be back in the shallows.  Maybe it was the storm that drove them out.  In any event, the North Arm is a large string of islands with almost no water as deep as 15 feet.  These fish were in 3 to 5 feet, out in the middle of the bay.   The large fish are a result of minimal fishing preasure for the size of the area.  The season is a couple months long, Ragnar has room for a max of 16 people, and only fills the resort for two or three prime weeks in June.  He only keeps a few fish a day for lunch, and those are 25 to 30 inches long.  Steve Probasco of Northwest Flyfishing had the same experience with the size of the fish, Great Slave Lake has the bigger fish. As for survival, one of the other guys caught a 38" fish with a healed whole in his head.  The guide, Frank, remembered the fish from a couple years ago when it was 36 inches.  One inch a year for this fish. As for can.rec.fishing, both of those guys should read r.o.f.f.   This is where the action is. Chas

Interesting as Blatchford Lake is hardly pressured by Southern standards however, the effects of killing just a few large, slow growing fish in a 14 mile long lake, would have an effect.  Most of the pike I saw, hooked, landed were in the 30" range.  I did play tag with a monster in the 40"+ range but never succeeded in setting a hook in her. I’m going to be shortening up the Yak flies that I’ve already tied plus tie up a few with stinger hooks.  The choice of the 2/0 was simply a matter of what I had handy – the 4/0 would be a better choice. About the hook problem – were you referring to loosing fish on hooks with an upturned eye? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Pleasant breeze?  With that experience from Devil’s Lake, it wasn’t too hard to cast, but up there that wind is rare in the spring and summer. I think we should move the clave north next year. Anybody interested?

I’d be interested but staying at one of the fly-in resorts is beyond my budget. Great report, BTW. Willi

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I’ve been using saltwater hooks – straight eye and no offset.  I just have difficulty finding them in the right size.

Your #2 hooks had a better hooking percentage than the offset 2/0 hooks as near as I can tell.  My new favorite is the Owner super point hook, but the Mustad 3407 is so much cheaper that I use it more often.  4/0 is nice because it stays upright better than smaller hooks. Chas

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Pleasant breeze?  With that experience from Devil’s Lake, it wasn’t too hard to cast, but up there that wind is rare in the spring and summer. I think we should move the clave north next year. Anybody interested? I’d be interested but staying at one of the fly-in resorts is beyond my budget.

Check out the website for prices, they’re not as high as you might expect.  I think I could get a discount if we can get more than a couple guys interested. Thanks Chas

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I’m going to be shortening up the Yak flies that I’ve already tied plus tie up a few with stinger hooks.  The choice of the 2/0 was simply a matter of what I had handy – the 4/0 would be a better choice. The flies you sent me had #2, not #2/0 hooks.

Well, must’ve been the cheap booze that night or I was really scraping the bottom of the hook barrel – thought I had used 2/0. About the hook problem – were you referring to loosing fish on hooks with an upturned eye? I had straightened the turned up eye, but the difference is that the point is offset.  When you put a standard fly hook on a table, it lies flat.  These bait hooks aren’t bent in one plane, but have the point turned to one side a bit.  I had expected that to help, but I’m suspicious that it was a hinderance.  This is rather unscientific, I’d have to work on a way to test this idea and try it before I can push this as any more than anecdotal. Chas

I’ve been using saltwater hooks – straight eye and no offset.  I just have difficulty finding them in the right size. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Interesting as Blatchford Lake is hardly pressured by Southern standards however, the effects of killing just a few large, slow growing fish in a 14 mile long lake, would have an effect.  Most of the pike I saw, hooked, landed were in the 30" range.  I did play tag with a monster in the 40"+ range but never succeeded in setting a hook in her. I’m going to be shortening up the Yak flies that I’ve already tied plus tie up a few with stinger hooks.  The choice of the 2/0 was simply a matter of what I had handy – the 4/0 would be a better choice.

The flies you sent me had #2, not #2/0 hooks. About the hook problem – were you referring to loosing fish on hooks with an upturned eye?

I had straightened the turned up eye, but the difference is that the point is offset.  When you put a standard fly hook on a table, it lies flat.  These bait hooks aren’t bent in one plane, but have the point turned to one side a bit.  I had expected that to help, but I’m suspicious that it was a hinderance.  This is rather unscientific, I’d have to work on a way to test this idea and try it before I can push this as any more than anecdotal. Chas

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This is rather long winded, but 5 days of fishing take a while to describe, and it was a great trip.  I’ll post another report on flies, leaders, and tactics in general. My son Glen (22) and I drove to Vancouver BC, and then flew to Yellowknife NWT by way of Edmonton Alberta.  Since there aren’t many flights we wound up leaving the house at 2:30 AM to catch the 7:00 departure in Vancouver.  No time to sleep after packing.  We arrived in Yellowknife a little after noon and goofed around town until the 7:00 PM flight to Trout Rock Lodge.  It’s only 30 or 40 miles by air, and the twin Otter got us there in a hurry.  We talked to the party of 10 from Minnesota that was leaving as we arrived.  It turns out they fished for 7 days and caught 133 fish over 40 inches with the biggest being 49.5 inches.  That fish was probably over 30#.  Those fish probably averaged 22 pounds or more, and weighed a total of one and a half tons.  Many more fish were caught that were under 40", that’s the size they measure before releasing. The resort has nice cabins that sleep 4 comfortably.  They’re a tad bigger than the ones at Devil’s Lake ND, and they have a sink.  The bathroom is not as fancy as the ones in ND, there is an outhouse, a single shower with hot water, and a regular toilet in the lodge building.  All the meals are provided, breakfast and dinner in the lodge, and pike cooked many different ways for shore lunch. Our first day started with eggs cooked to order and then we were off to find the pike.  Our guide, Mike, was new to the area this year, but had been guiding at Great Bear Lake for Plummer’s for the last few years so he knew his stuff.  There are three native guides, Jonas, Frank, and Eddie, who grew up in the area and know all the rocks. Since I’d been at the resort three times before, Ragnar thought I’d be able to work with the new guy and maybe even show him some spots he hadn’t been shown yet.  That worked nicely and we were delighted with his service. The first day Glen caught the big one at 43", and another one 40".  My biggest was 41".  We didn’t count the rest of the fish, but I’m sure there were more than 30 each averaging 5 to 10 pounds.  Some of my favorite spots were not well populated, the fish seemed to be in 3-7 feet of water instead of the shallows where we hoped to sight fish.   Glen’s fly was a blue and white fish hair tube fly about 6 inches long.  I was using a green and white seabait fly about 4 inches long.  Both flies had 4/0 hooks.  Dinner was charcoal grilled pork chops with mashed potatoes, salad, veggies, and a home baked cake for desert.  All this was washed down with a couple bottles of Ragnar’s private label G.G.G red wine.   That’s Granite Grown Grapes.  A nice flavor somewhere between Lambrusco and Bordolino.  I went out on the dock later, and was treated to a fine sunset.  A pair of loons swam by about 30 feet out, as they got about 50 yards up the shore, suddenly a pair of ducks scooted out onto the lake, and then an eagle flew out of the same spot and right at me.  He went by about 20 feet over my head, an immature golden eagle. The second day we awoke at 6:30, 3 hours after sunrise, to clouds and wet ground.  The fishing was slow today, we found lots of smaller fish, but nothing over 32 inches.  We could feel that a storm was brewing, and the fish seemed to know too.  About 2:00 the wind picked up and the fishing tapered off some more.  We smelled smoke, and discovered that a small fire had started on the island where we’d had lunch.  Apparently they hadn’t put the fire out carefully enough and the strong wind had blown some coals out of the fire ring and started some brush on fire.   We got some buckets and put it out as the wind increased to about 30mph, and fog and rain moved in.  No mosquitoes today, the wind had them holed up nicely. The third day we had the same wind.  It had persisted through the night, and it looked pretty ugly out there.  The group of 4 from California opted to stay home, but Ron and Dave and Glen and I decided to have a go at it.  It was tough casting, and the fish were hard to find, but we managed a couple lunch fish of 8 pounds or so, and were glad to be out instead of stuck at the resort.  Ron managed a 39" fish on a spoon, but that was the only large fish caught that day. The fourth day the wind had settled back to 10 mph or so, and it was clear.  We started the day with a nice 32" fish in an area that hadn’t produced before, and then we moved back to the "Bowling Alley" where the big fish had been caught the week before.  I hooked into the biggest one so far, 44" and nice and fat.  We each caught 30 to 40 fish, again averaging near 10 pounds, but no others over 40".  Dinner was caribou shis-ka-bob, very tasty. Our last day looked even better than the day before.  The wind was down to 2 mph, the water was clearer, in all it looked like a great day.  It was Glen’s day for big fish.  He landed a 43" fish that probably outweighed my 44" fish from yesterday.  We both caught a couple fish of 38 or 39 inches, and then the wind started picking up.  Fred, the grandpa of the California group caught a 42" pike despite the fact he could only cast about 25 feet.  It was great fun to watch an 80+ year old man so excited catching a big fish.  It was his biggest fish ever.   Then Glen hooked a fish that was bigger than any we’d seen so far.  He brought it to the surface next to the boat several times, but it just charged off and he clearly didn’t have it under control yet.  As he was adjusting the drag the crank on his reel got caught in his vest and the fish took off on another strong run.  It broke the leader at the nail knot.  The 40# butt material broke in the knot, and the fish took off with the fly and the leader.  If Glen hadn’t had a particularly strong grip, the fish would have just ripped the rod from his hand.  Amazing power in these fish. After dinner it was time to fly out to Yellowknife and then home the next morning.  Despite the freak wind storm, this was a great trip.   Next year we’ll do it again. Chas A piker if there ever was one! See www.enodah.com for more info about the resort.

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Any one fly fish for sea trout. I’ll be spending Nov. and Dec. near Tarpon Springs. Last yr I fished with a friend with live shrimp and we caught alot. This yr Id like to catch them on flies. any info would be helpful on flies , ect Thanks , Dick Roberts Navajo Dam , NM

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Hi Dick and you other ROFFers out there, I don’t have the answers right now myself, but I know that they catch Seatrout or Speckled Trout in the Gulf Of Mexico on flies. You need to do just what you are doing. There will be a prime time or prime times for getting them on flies. This will probably have to do with the weather, migration of bait fish or shrimp or the spawning run of Seatrout? I would probably contact some manufacturer like Sage Rod Company and get a name of a good fly shop or guide in the area. Then I would call them with a paper and pen in front of me and start asking questions. This is what I do for a living with my fly shop. Knowing when to go somewhere for the best fishing is probably the number one variable. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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I just got home after the clave…Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine…

<snipped What is a knot machine?  I love gadgets, in fact my kids call me…never mind what they call me… <)))’    <)))’    <)))’    <’(((<    <)))’    <)))’

"Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality."

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Ernie Harrison won a fly box & over 100 flies donated by Bruiser Vern

Hot damn, thank you Bruiser I can’t wait to see them. Vern, a check is in the mail for postage, thanks for your good work. Ernie

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I just got home after the clave…Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine… <snipped What is a knot machine?  I love gadgets, in fact my kids call me…never mind what they call me…

http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241/ — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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Hot damn, thank you Bruiser I can’t wait to see them. Vern, a check is in the mail for postage, thanks for your good work.

Now, no one said anything about being able to *see* them!  Bruce ties a lot of those nice midge thingies.  Actually when you get that many lined up you begin to see a pinkish hue against the white fly box background Regards, Jeff

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Hey Ernie, i was glad you won my flies, hope you like them. Bring them to the San Juan where you can use them.  I’ll take you fishing and we can tie a few blood knots. I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer and tie the flies.  On second thought, most of you will probably want to tie your own. There’s about 7 fly shops at the San Juan that need a new gadget in their inventory (I’m thinking blood knot machine). One more time, Warren, you ran a great clave.  I came late, found great people to fish with every day, and had the time of my life.  Can’t wait for Western Clave 2001. bruiser  YES I CAN POST!  YEE HA!  THANKS CHARLIE FOR THE COMPUTER HELP! Before you buy.

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I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer  <unimportant stuff snipped

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Bruce,    I am certain I will love your flies.  I have never fished the San Juan but if I ever get down that way I will let you know and you can show me the ropes.  I used to wholesale the Blood Knot Machine several years ago to companies like Hook&Hackle, but just sell a few I have left on the Internet for my own entertainment now. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Ernie, Bring them to the San Juan where you can use them.  I’ll take you fishing and we can tie a few blood knots. I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer and tie the flies.  On second thought, most of you will probably want to tie your own. There’s about 7 fly shops at the San Juan that need a new gadget in their inventory (I’m thinking blood knot machine). One more time, Warren, you ran a great clave.  I came late, found great people to fish with every day, and had the time of my life.  Can’t wait for Western Clave 2001. bruiser

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I wanted to get on roff before doing anything else and post the results of the raffle. Bob Skinner won HoldZit Products donated by Pat R. Pat Reichner won a hat, fly box, flies, second fly box, & flies from the fly swap donated by Warren F.

Thanks Vern….I never made it to the clave or the raffle to pick up my prize.   Please send it ASAP.<g Bob, it was nice of you to pass out your HoldZit products to the rest of the clave fishermen/ladies.  I was hoping everyone got a sample. — Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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I just got home after the clave and after fishing Henry’s Fork, Buffalo River, and the Provo.  Why should the fishing end with the clave?  It didn’t for me. I wanted to get on roff before doing anything else and post the results of the raffle.  I should say that I have not read anything on roff and have no idea if anyone else have made another similar post.  More comments are to come after I clean out the car and get settled back into being home again. Mickey Agua won a quilt donated by Debbie U. Vernon Ursenbach won a bamboo fly-rod donated by Steve Z. Dan Finn won a fly rod donated by Mike C. & a rod tube donated by Tom B. Darin Minor won furled leaders donated by Michael E. & a ff book donated by Ken F. Brian D. Nelson won a knot tool & Simms thing donated by Frank C. & a bottle of wine donated by Dan F. Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine & rod building info donated by Ernie H. Steve Zimmerman won 2 ff books donated by Kiyu Bob Skinner won HoldZit Products donated by Pat R. Michael Erana won a guided float trip for 2 donated by Brian N.  (There are special conditions that apply.) Bruce Hopper aka Bruiser won a fly box & 4 dozen flies donated by William L. Pat Wilson won a fly box, flies, & complete pheasant hide donated by Bob S. Frank Church T-Shirt & Y2K clave photo donated by Wayne H. Tom Brown won a fly box & flies donated by Dale W. Stephen Barnard aka RW won 2 ff books donated by Kelly R. Pat Reichner won a hat, fly box, flies, second fly box, & flies from the fly swap donated by Warren F. Ernie Harrison won a fly box & over 100 flies donated by Bruiser Dave Snedeker won a Cortland Lazerline WF3F donated by Darin M. Kelly Roger won a bunch of show stuff from Las Vegas donated by Vernon U. William Loehman won a 8′ 2wt fly rod donated by Charles W. Dale Wilkionson won a C&R tool & lanyard donated by RW Warren Findley won a fly reel donated by Walt W. Charles Wilson won a Bastard fly rod donated by Mickey A. (George ?) — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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Bruce Hopper aka Bruiser won a fly box & 4 dozen flies donated by William L.

I saw those flies – they appeared to be really well tied. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Planning on Rock Creek, then to Libby, first week August.  Any info on the better campgrounds for us tent campers appreciated.  I was raised on Rock Creek, long, long ago– before electification.    Also info on guides in Libby for drifting, Also info on cabins, accomodations as well as campgounds  (if it rains us out)   Al Schuh-fly

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I’d check on the water levels at Rock Creek first, if you mean THE Rock Creek East of Missoula.  The last report I heard was fishing could be over there for the season in the next week or so- water levels are way below normal – check with Doug at the Rock Creek Mercantile (406)825-6440 John

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Planning on Rock Creek, then to Libby, first week August.  Any info on the better campgrounds for us tent campers appreciated.  I was raised on Rock Creek, long, long ago– before electification.    Also info on guides in Libby for drifting, Also info on cabins, accomodations as well as campgounds  (if it rains us out)   Al Schuh-fly

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For river reports. check this URL: http://www.fourrivers.net/index.htm They’re saying that the flow of Rock Creek is down to 332 cfs, which ain’t too good. We’re going out there tomorrow (7/8) and will be back on the 16th. The campground where we’re staying is on Rock Creek, but we’re going to concentrate on fishing the Blackfoot and the Bitterroot. For tent camping, see the following: http://travelmontana.state.mt.us/faq/links.htm …it has links to all sorts of travel and accomodation sites all over the state. Regards, LR

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http://montana.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_tbl_pg for Montana streamflows. http://montana.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=12334510 for current Rock Creek conditions. The creek is definitely low but then all the rivers are (at least this side of the divide). The bigger waters are fishing extremely well right now. Lots of Golden Stone and evening caddis right now with good PMD’s late morning to early afternoon. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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Hi All, Any bonefish flats around Grenada? Thnaks

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Hi All, Any bonefish flats around Grenada? Thnaks

Bill, Grenada is a hilly, volcanic island where the water depth drops rapidly as you move away from the shore.  I am not aware of any extensive stretches of shallow water like you find in Florida and the Bahamas.  There are some relatively shallow areas with reefs (the southern shore comes to mind), but I don’t think these are the types of places fisherman describe as "flats." I have chartered sailboats in Grenada, but I have not fished there. Perhaps another poster familiar with fishing in the area can help you. Ernie Carnicelli

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Hi folks, I’m new to the group, and would like your thoughts on what is the best kayak for fly fishing coastal bays and flats.  I normally fly fish in Christmas Bay (close to Galveston, TX), and use a Zest Two – Ocean Kayak two seater.  It’s kinda tough to handle in a breeze over, say, 10 kts. I’m in the market for a faster boat that will handle higher wind conditions, and would like some input from those more knowledgable than I. Howard About Christmas Bay – http://www.christmasbay.com

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  Hi, the boat of choice here in San Diego for fishing seems to be the Scupper Pro,and Scupper Classic. I own the classic , it weighs48pds. compared to your68pd. zest. The pros weigh 55pds.      I’m able to troll effectivly even when the wind picks up, if the wind picks up while jig fishing or while i’m after halibut i use my sea anchor to slow my drift     Aqua

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I’m new to the group, and would like your thoughts on what is the best kayak for fly fishing coastal bays and flats.  I normally fly fish in Christmas Bay (close to Galveston, TX), and use a Zest Two – Ocean Kayak two seater.  It’s kinda tough to handle in a breeze over, say, 10 kts. I’m in the market for a faster boat that will handle higher wind conditions, and would like some input from those more knowledgable than I.

I’m also a newbie to this thing, but I’ve got a few opinions anyway…  [had my boat for a couple months so far] I know most folks will suggest an open cockpit boat, but don’t write off an enclosed version.   Also, I know most folks tend to prefer getting out of the boat and wade, but I’m not one of them.  I like to start more or less dry, and end more or less dry. I have very little difficulty casting my 8 weight while seated in my kayak. [Dagger Edisto].   But there is also enough deck rigging to support a decent trolling setup, and there was enough mounting and cargo room for me to add an all-around light to help with safe night fishing and transits to duck hunting spots next season.. If you are annoyed by high winds and waves, get a rudder. The difference is mind bogolling. My modest experiences so far: http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html

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If you are annoyed by high winds and waves, get a rudder. The difference is mind bogolling. My modest experiences so far: http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html

If I get out I may use a fly rod on the flats, but I have had more luck trolling from my kayak.  I dont know if its the speed or that the boat makes the fish notice my fly or lure but the success rate is pretty good for both bass and blues.  I use a kevlar kayak and a rudder to make the experience "less painful".  I also gave up using a rod from my boat.  I made a hand line device that is very easy to use.  To see one visit my site at:  http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin I usually troll rapalas, rubber eels a fly or other artifical baits. —     Hal     Wilton, NH     Power your boat with carbohydrates,     not hydrocarbons.           http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin                 0                  _O                     0

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If I get out I may use a fly rod on the flats, but I have had more luck trolling from my kayak.  I dont know if its the speed or that the boat

I do good trolling as well. experience "less painful".  I also gave up using a rod from my boat.  I made a hand line device that is very easy to use.  To see one visit my

Give up my rod and reel?  I have a rod holder angled 45 degrees backward, a bit behind the cockpit.  I can paddle (troll) at any speed without interference.  That reminds me…i was trolling at work yesterday..woops!

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Try this Bill A.

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This newsgrp is too big and diverse for me.  Is there a fly-fishing or fly-tying only newsgroup that one can subscribe to?  I’m in Oregon, and I can’t believe there aren’t enough folks out there to have a newsgroup!

Yes, there is a flyfishing group.  It’s called rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. However, it has even more traffic then rec.outdoors.fishing.  I recently put in a Call For Discussion for rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying to try and separate some of the tying discussion out of the main group.  There hasn’t been much discussion at all.  The Call For Votes should be coming up soon.  r.o.f.f. is a good group.  There are a lot of regulars that have been reading the group and a few accomplished flyfishers including Ralph and Lisa Cutter that contribute regularly.  The Cutters run the top rated flyfishing school in the country (US). — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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This newsgrp is too big and diverse for me.  Is there a fly-fishing or fly-tying only newsgroup that one can subscribe to?  I’m in Oregon, and I can’t believe there aren’t enough folks out there to have a newsgroup!

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I’m canoing the Bowron Lake circuit next week and I don’t know what kind of fish I will find – trout, walleye, or northern pike?  Somebody please give me some advice on what to bring and what I’ll find.  Thanks…

Trout. — Isaac Lake President – Recreational Canoeing Association of British Columbia Master Instructor

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Mountain House and Alpenlite are the lures most likely to supply a decent meal on the Bowron Lakes.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m canoing the Bowron Lake circuit next week and I don’t know what kind of fish I will find – trout, walleye, or northern pike?  Somebody please The fishing is particularly good in June, in fact.  Mostly trout, including big lake trout down deep and some amazing rainbows.  Also a few whitefish.  Try paddling slow with  a white apex spoon about 3 inches long, down deep with about 2 ounces of weight. Fly fishing also works in close to shores. The guy who said to try freeze dried because its a park doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  Just make sure to get a fresh water licence from any sporting goods store and follow the regulations they give you.  Basically, 12 inch minimum. Dan Burnett Vancouver, B.C., Canada Tel: 604-691-7506  Fax:604-688-2827

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I’m canoing the Bowron Lake circuit next week and I don’t know what kind of fish I will find – trout, walleye, or northern pike?  Somebody please

The fishing is particularly good in June, in fact.  Mostly trout, including big lake trout down deep and some amazing rainbows.  Also a few whitefish.  Try paddling slow with  a white apex spoon about 3 inches long, down deep with about 2 ounces of weight. Fly fishing also works in close to shores. The guy who said to try freeze dried because its a park doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  Just make sure to get a fresh water licence from any sporting goods store and follow the regulations they give you.  Basically, 12 inch minimum. Dan Burnett Vancouver, B.C., Canada Tel: 604-691-7506  Fax:604-688-2827

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I’m canoing the Bowron Lake circuit next week and I don’t know what kind of fish I will find – trout, walleye, or northern pike?  Somebody please give me some advice on what to bring and what I’ll find.  Thanks…

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I’m canoing the Bowron Lake circuit next week and I don’t know what kind of fish I will find – trout, walleye, or northern pike?  Somebody please

Bring freeze dried- it’s a park. ian iGIVE ME Some advice on what to bring and what I’ll find.  Thanks…

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I don’t know where you’re accustomed to fish, but it’s gonna be tough finding an uncrowded stream. If you want to catch fish, try Montauk State Park. It is a state-run trout park where you can fish in several miles of spring-fed streams heavily stocked with rainbows. There’s a flies-only section that can be somewhat challenging. Downstream from Montauk, the Current River is a popular float-trip destination, so the aluminum hatch is severe on weekends. But there are some sizable browns and rainbows in the upper sections of the river. Montauk has good camping and lodging facilities. Let me know what you do! Bob

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I don’t know where you’re accustomed to fish, but it’s gonna be tough finding an uncrowded stream. If you want to catch fish, try Montauk State Park.

        I just would like to know what state you are talking about!                                         Thank you,                      

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Missouri

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My brother-in-law and I are heading to the Rolla, MO area next weekend. We are interested in finding an uncrowded river with a healthy rainbow and brown trout population. Any suggestions?   We are also interested in any information concerning appropriate patterns for spring-time fishing in the Ozarks. Camp sites?

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I would like you to take note of my new e-address <My old one has expired and I guess I was on a demo period

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

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(Robert Mault) writes: For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

Ya’ see, we keep our boats inside mosta’ tha time ’cause a all that great Cal sunshine! Ain’t ta’ good for the plastic and glass. I remember livin’ in Charlotte and it wasn’t nothin’ like here. Hey wait, I just saw a boat out in downtown San Jose! He was paddlin’ main street!  ’Kay, sometimes we get a bit a rain… Later, Aaron — "Nothing more is needed to destroy a man, than the conviction that his life’s work is useless."  -Antonin Artaud

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) based organization with a POB & Voice Mail in Marin County and meetings at the University of California on Parnassus Ave. in San Francisco. More Info: (415) 435-7936 and/or read above message. "Go w/the flow"-"Z".

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Funny…every diversion that I’m into seems to have the most interest base in the bay area. Flyfishing, Astronomy, and Kayaking all have more participants in the bay area than anywhere else in the country (as a group). Too bad it costs so damn much to live there. Kai

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