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My wife has never fished before she met me and her first time was in Yellowstone with me.  She somewhat enjoyed it.  She was using a spinning setup and I a flyrod.  She got a little excited when she caught her first fish.  This was 3 years ago.  Last month for an elective at BSU she decided to take a fly tying class.  This surprised me incredibly and she loves it. She is so excited when she comes home to show me her flies I get goose bumps. Man I love my wife.  hehehehe She wants a fly rod now. (tears of joy)

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Sam You have been truly blessed. Among some in the fly fishing fraternity your good fortune is right up there on a par with the appearance of Lady Beaverkill at the side of Theodore Gordon in the early part of the last century, and Our Blessed Lady of the Perfect Bobbin on the River Test in 1636. Treat this woman well.  Dress her in fine garments and gear. Dave

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<<Man I love my wife.  hehehehe She wants a fly rod now. (tears of joy) You realize that she will catch twice as many fish as you and they will all be twice as big as yours. Every time.

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Man I love my wife.  hehehehe She wants a fly rod now. (tears of joy)

Not to kick sand on your romance or anything, but… A lot of the time I don’t want a partner, I just want permission –Steve

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I sure hope so.  That way she’ll love fly fishing.

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My wife has never fished before she met me and her first time was in Yellowstone with me.  She somewhat enjoyed it.  She was using a spinning setup and I a flyrod.  She got a little excited when she caught her first fish.  This was 3 years ago.  Last month for an elective at BSU she decided to take a fly tying class.  This surprised me incredibly and she loves it. She is so excited when she comes home to show me her flies I get goose bumps.

—— <excited man snipped —– My wife has tied for years, but just started fly fishing this past season. It has always been fun having her tie with me and now it has become a total experience.  The challenges I face is that we do have a difference of opinion on the best way to tie a particular fly and she really is gravitating to my best fishing gear.  But what the heck, I will just have to buy some new gear, darn;) —– Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

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Does she offer training for other wives?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife has never fished before she met me and her first time was in Yellowstone with me.  She somewhat enjoyed it.  She was using a spinning setup and I a flyrod.  She got a little excited when she caught her first fish.  This was 3 years ago.  Last month for an elective at BSU she decided to take a fly tying class.  This surprised me incredibly and she loves it. She is so excited when she comes home to show me her flies I get goose bumps. Man I love my wife.  hehehehe She wants a fly rod now. (tears of joy)

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If your in the Boise area, I’m sure she would be happy to show any wives. They would have to be willing to learn of course, which is difficult to find.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does she offer training for other wives? My wife has never fished before she met me and her first time was in Yellowstone with me.  She somewhat enjoyed it.  She was using a spinning setup and I a flyrod.  She got a little excited when she caught her first fish.  This was 3 years ago.  Last month for an elective at BSU she decided to take a fly tying class.  This surprised me incredibly and she loves it. She is so excited when she comes home to show me her flies I get goose bumps. Man I love my wife.  hehehehe She wants a fly rod now. (tears of joy)

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I would love to have my wife join me in tying.  One scary thing though.  I know how much of a gear whore I am when it comes to tying materials.  I just can’t conceptualize the results of my wife, the woman who has raised "accessorizing" to the manic compulsive level, getting into tying.  Shivers are now running up and down my spine and settling in my wallet.               Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife has never fished before she met me and her first time was in Yellowstone with me.  She somewhat enjoyed it.  She was using a spinning setup and I a flyrod.  She got a little excited when she caught her first fish.  This was 3 years ago.  Last month for an elective at BSU she decided to take a fly tying class.  This surprised me incredibly and she loves it. She is so excited when she comes home to show me her flies I get goose bumps. Man I love my wife.  hehehehe She wants a fly rod now. (tears of joy)

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I would love to have my wife join me in tying

    frank, please endeavor, in the future, to keep your personal sexual peccadillos to yourself.  this is a family newsgroup. wayno (but what a family!)

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Taking a little jaunt to these areas.  Got any favorite campground for us tenters about Libby, and Rock Creek?  Any better guide services around Dillon or Wise River?    How’s Rock Creek and Yaak fishing?     Thanks. Schuh-fly

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We went to Dillon 2 weeks ago for a few days.  The upper section of the Big Hole is closed to fishingnow, when we were there we were surprised at how low the Beaverhead and Big Hole were.  The water levels in the rivers and creeks are extremely low.  I live in Helena and work at a sporting good store, the reports that we’re getting from custormers is that Rock Creek fishing is poor due to low water.  Fishing has been great on the Missouri where the water level is low, but not low enough to cause concern yet.

Taking a little jaunt to these areas.  Got any favorite campground for us tenters about Libby, and Rock Creek?  Any better guide services around Dillon or Wise River?    How’s Rock Creek and Yaak fishing?     Thanks. Schuh-fly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Taking a little jaunt to these areas.  Got any favorite campground for us tenters about Libby, and Rock Creek?  Any better guide services around Dillon or Wise River?    How’s Rock Creek and Yaak fishing?     Thanks. Schuh-fly

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Tony, Thanks for the tip. Do you know if Bonda PU Power Adhesive can be purchased in the USA? Thanks. Bob E.

Bob, it is available here from a few companies. The brand I’ve used is called Gorrila Glue. Woodworking supply stores will have one brand or another. Use this stuff carefully, it is messy and does not clean up easily. Bob Smith Before you buy.

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If it air cures, does that mean it will take a very long time to cure since the adhesive will be buried between cork and graphite?

Hi Mu, I think ‘cures’ rather than ‘dries’ is the operative word. The adhesive reacts to the moisture in the air or in the material being glued. It probably wouldn’t hurt to dunk the cork handle in water for a few minutes, then pat dry the excess water, before using this PU adhesive (see article in link below). I think Bob Smith has a better handle (’scuse the pun) on this than I have. Thanks, Bob, for your input. But try this for more info: www.woodworking.com/magazine/jul96/poly/ I’ll certainly be giving this stuff a trial for my next rod building project. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I was very interested to learn that his company now recommends a polyurethane adhesive. This stuff requires no mixing. It air cures, reacting to moisture in the air or in the timber, etc. that is being joined. Most importantly, this adhesive ‘foams’ slightly and fills up any space between the cork and the blank, where the reaming has not been exact.

If it air cures, does that mean it will take a very long time to cure since the adhesive will be buried between cork and graphite? Mu

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In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.10003122128550.5607- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was very interested to learn that his company now recommends a polyurethane adhesive. This stuff requires no mixing. It air cures, reacting to moisture in the air or in the timber, etc. that is being joined. Most importantly, this adhesive ‘foams’ slightly and fills up any space between the cork and the blank, where the reaming has not been exact. If it air cures, does that mean it will take a very long time to cure since the adhesive will be buried between cork and graphite? Mu

Mu, the glue will dry as fast as the stated time on the label. A little faster if the surfaces to be glued are slightly damp. Moisture helps it cure. You only put the glue on one surface of the two to be glued. I use this stuff in my woodworking the rare times I have to glue up two dissimilar surfaces. Wood to metal or Corian etc. So it’ll work well for handles to fly rods.  Two things tho. It is not reversable and if you get any on bare ( bear ? ) skin you’ll have a nice dark brown stain to wear for a week or so. Nothing cleans this stuff up. Tape off the rod blank also at front and rear of the handle. The foam also sticks to anything it touches.  Bob Smith Before you buy.

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Tony, Thanks for the tip. Do you know if Bonda PU Power Adhesive can be purchased in the USA? Thanks. Bob E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We had a club meeting the other night and I bumped into an old acquaintance who is managing director of one of the leading wholesale suppliers of top quality cork rod handles in the UK. I first met him at a fly fishing show about 10 years ago and that meeting prompted me to write an article on cork that was published in one of our game fishing magazines. During our conversation the other night, the subject of gluing cork handles to blanks cropped up. I was very interested to learn that his company now recommends a polyurethane adhesive. This stuff requires no mixing. It air cures, reacting to moisture in the air or in the timber, etc. that is being joined. Most importantly, this adhesive ‘foams’ slightly and fills up any space between the cork and the blank, where the reaming has not been exact. Apparently, this PU adhesive is slightly resilient and works easily. My friend assured me that this stuff was much better suited to the application than epoxies, that are often recommended. The brand he sells is called ‘Bonda PU Power Adhesive’ and it sells (here) for about

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That says it all George, that says it all…… well done. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  In the world of fly fishing, which R.O.F.F. really is basically about, the subjects involved in this world that really belongs to trout, waver like some kind of stellar magnetic field.  First you feel it and then you don’t.  Some plunge into black holes or abyss’s never seeming to be able to return to the art form again. Not that long ago, back in January the journey began.  With nothing but the promises offered by roff and the dares, I stood up to be counted . . . and I performed the dance of a monkey on strings.  I listened, I pouted, I reprimanded, I took and applied all sorts of advice that to this day are in the signature of each BastardBamboo.   I had stated that Bamboo Fly Rods were much too expensive for the common layman to afford.  I said that there were more people without a bamboo fly rod then those who had them and that, in my opinion ~ this was wrong.  I said, I could make a bamboo fly rod for only $150 (not including tax we overlooked at the time) that the majority COULD afford.  $300 plus excise was the goal.  That goal is alive and active. The promise has been kept. There are still the expensive fly rods ranging from well over this low, lowest commercial price to a range that touches $7,000.  Charges of between $1,000 to $3,000 is still unmoved.  This is good and these fly rods are certainly worth it to those that can afford them. No matter what, there are those who are watching the Bastard project in abstract interest.  When they ‘think’ there is money involved, they will enter this challenge thinking they can do it better then I.  The result, I promise, because of my willingness to try will be a drastic down spiral in Bamboo Retail Prices. Now, we all realize there are many that would love to see me fail.  So? I’ve failed before.  I have lots of experience in that arena.  Win or lose, this is going to end up being a win/win result for all of fly fishing in the entire world.  Wait and see.  The day may very well arrive when some of you will be fishing a "Sapphire Fly Rod,"  or a "Sweet Thing Fly Rod" or a "Presidential Fly Rod," but you will all be wrong.  No matter what, every one of them will really be "A Bastard Fly Rod."  I was there first.  I will always be there. Mr. G.

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A short note on the fine art of sarcasm: dribble:   To move a basketball down the floor by bouncing it repeatedly on that floor while walking or running.  May also be done while standing in one spot. dribble:  To allow saliva to escape from one’s pie hole while dribbling a basketball….or not. The nonsense which you accuse George of disseminating and which is also exemplified by endless repetition of SPAM SPAM SPAM…….is DRIVEL!!

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_____  In the world of fly fishing, which R.O.F.F. really is basically about, the subjects involved in this world that really belongs to trout, waver like some kind of stellar magnetic field.  First you feel it and then you don’t.  Some plunge into black holes or abyss’s never seeming to be able to return to the art form again. Not that long ago, back in January the journey began.  With nothing but the promises offered by roff and the dares, I stood up to be counted . . . and I performed the dance of a monkey on strings.  I listened, I pouted, I reprimanded, I took and applied all sorts of advice that to this day are in the signature of each BastardBamboo.   I had stated that Bamboo Fly Rods were much too expensive for the common layman to afford.  I said that there were more people without a bamboo fly rod then those who had them and that, in my opinion ~ this was wrong.  I said, I could make a bamboo fly rod for only $150 (not including tax we overlooked at the time) that the majority COULD afford.  $300 plus excise was the goal.  That goal is alive and active. The promise has been kept. There are still the expensive fly rods ranging from well over this low, lowest commercial price to a range that touches $7,000.  Charges of between $1,000 to $3,000 is still unmoved.  This is good and these fly rods are certainly worth it to those that can afford them. No matter what, there are those who are watching the Bastard project in abstract interest.  When they ‘think’ there is money involved, they will enter this challenge thinking they can do it better then I.  The result, I promise, because of my willingness to try will be a drastic down spiral in Bamboo Retail Prices. Now, we all realize there are many that would love to see me fail.  So? I’ve failed before.  I have lots of experience in that arena.  Win or lose, this is going to end up being a win/win result for all of fly fishing in the entire world.  Wait and see.  The day may very well arrive when some of you will be fishing a "Sapphire Fly Rod,"  or a "Sweet Thing Fly Rod" or a "Presidential Fly Rod," but you will all be wrong.  No matter what, every one of them will really be "A Bastard Fly Rod."  I was there first.  I will always be there. Mr. G.

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Jeff has the right idea.

[The rantings of a pompous old windbag snipped] Mr. G.

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BTW, I used nothing but Albolene at the Fall Ball.   In the words of George G, "It works!" Louie

Just out of curiousity, how well did it work? Better? Didn’t notice any difference?  Can you say without any bias that it works on par or better than what I use already? There are several products out there that work, some better than others.  I am always open to one of the "better than others."  Until I find a better, I will continue using what I am currently using. Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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Warren F: <<BTW, I used nothing but Albolene at the Fall Ball.   In the words of George G, "It works!" Louie

Just out of curiousity, how well did it work? Better? Didn’t notice any difference?  Can you say without any bias that it works on par or better than what I use already? I am not a great proponent of floatants.  I like drying crystals and was just recently introduced to amadou, but on occasion I do use a floatant.  I have had a jar of Albolene for a couple of years and have used it off and on.  It works as well as *anything* I have tried.  Use very little of it (sound familiar?) and it does the job well. Louie

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There are several products out there that work, some better than others.  I am always open to one of the "better than others."  Until I find a better, I will continue using what I am currently using.

Warren; Over the last fifteen years I have fished with many people.  When I lived in central Wisconsin some years ago there were 15 or 20 I fished with on a more or less regular basis.  Among us we tried every brand of floatant that any of us ever heard of and a great many home made concoctions as well.  Eventually everyone I knew used Albolene exclusively.  There were and are a number of others that seems to work about as well but none were found to be better and nothing except a few of the bathroom chemistry projects could touch Albolene for price. One other factor to consider:  Albolene is marketed as a skin cream, makeup remover, etc.  In our litigious society I suspect the manufacturers have taken some care to formulate a product that’s relatively safe to handle.  No telling what’s in some of the commercial floatants out there. Keep your bug on the meniscus!

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Planning a trip next Jan/Feb … would be interested in opinions on the top spots on South Island for good flyfishing … plan on doing a little guided and a little on-my-own fishing … love rivers over lakes always … thanks

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Planning a trip next Jan/Feb … would be interested in opinions on the top spots on South Island for good flyfishing … plan on doing a little guided and a little on-my-own fishing … love rivers over lakes always … thanks

John, I’ve been to the South Island twice.  (You can read about it on my web site www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363   with pictures.  The thumbnails will load a larger image if you click on them). There’s a lot to recommend about just about anywhere on the South Island. Most of my experience is in Otago (out of Wanaka) and Southlands (north of Gore). Absolute must stop is the Mataura river.  Can recommend guides to you if you email me. Michael

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I can recommend the Mataura River (the evening rise is spectacular), and also the Hurunui River if it has a good flow…unlikely at that time of year. Most of us Sth Islanders fish the lakes over summer, as the braided rivers are very low.  Try Lakes Hawea and Tekapo in Otago.  The West Coast gets most of the rain, so rivers like the Grey will fish well, but get a guide for these. Tight Lines Greg Christchurch, NZ — FREEDOM is neither a state of mind, nor a state of being. Rather, it is an essential part of every living persons’ existence

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The Bronco’s are so bad I moved away from Colorado Rather than Catch Stocked Trout or watch Dan Reeves another season. Both losers. Mr. G.

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ROFLOL ! — TimW Halfordian Golfer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Bronco’s are so bad I moved away from Colorado Rather than Catch Stocked Trout or watch Dan Reeves another season. Both losers. Mr. G.

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The Bronco’s are so bad I moved away from Colorado Rather than Catch Stocked Trout or watch Dan Reeves another season. Both losers. Mr. G.

Mr.G:  Dan Reeves is no longer head coach of the Broncos. "Stalked trout?". Sounds like you need to visit the http://www.nfl.com website rather than flame a football team on a fly fishing news group!  Better yet go to comp.sys.intel where you can participate in complaining over Win95. Or better yet again… just go fishing!  ;-) Kurt Weiss

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Washington’s loss is Colorado’s gain. I suppose you enjoy watching the f***ing Seahawks? Jeff Runner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Bronco’s are so bad I moved away from Colorado Rather than Catch Stocked Trout or watch Dan Reeves another season. Both losers. Mr. G.

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The Bronco’s are so bad I moved away from Colorado Rather than Catch Stocked Trout or watch Dan Reeves another season.

Elway aside, it’s really no fun catching trout in those "Rectangular" States anyway…                            - jqt –

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area?

Joe Butler says that both Taylor and Gunnison rivers have been fishing well. He says to use "Egg Flies, Carpet Egg Flies, Mysis Shrimp, Sonefiles, tan shrimp, olive shrimp and orange shrimp. San Juan Worms will pick up a few fish also, as will the 20-incher pattern." "As the water rises from the bigger releases from the dams," says Butler, "the orange shrimp and the San Juans become more effectivbe. Why? Because shrimp that die when they come through the dams turn orange. These free floating morsels of food are easy pickens for the trout below." "The San Juan Worms get lots of attention as the river rises, mainly because the banks along the stream’s edge are getting washed into the river." — |    Liberty Communications — Michael P. Thompson      | |  Writing, editing, desktop publishing, consulting     | |      <http://www.ecentral.com/members/thompson       |

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area? Thanks and Regards, Steve

I am planning a colo kayak/fly fish vacation and may be too early as i am forced to go july 17 to 31.  I have been watching the following page like a hawk and the levels are not about to let up !!  only good for kayakers with a death wish! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -http://webserver.cr.usgs.gov/station_data/co_realtime/html/current_li…<<<

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I am planning a colo kayak/fly fish vacation and may be too early as i am forced to go july 17 to 31.  I have been watching the following page like a hawk and the levels are not about to let up !!  only good for kayakers with a death wish!

I’m confident that Colorado rivers will be down and quite fishable by mid July.  Early July is more dubious for fishing (but is probably a better time for floating). — -Wayne Trzyna

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area? Thanks and Regards, Steve

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area?

It looks like most rivers in Colorado are going to remain blown-out until well into July. — -Wayne Trzyna

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that said, it would still be my *earnest* recommendation to blow off all of the places you’ve ever heard about, get in the car, get a map and head to those places that are green on the map with lots of x’s (indicating BIG mountain peaks) and blues (rivers, lakes and creeks).  Don’t get to hung up on a spot unless you really like it…inquire in the local stores, buy something…plan to hike to your spot…you might find something you weren’t even looking for. Your pal, TimW

   I agree 1000% . It may take a few trips to find what you like, but it’s well worth the "work" !!!   Harry   (See Tim, we don’t always disagree g<)

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Hello All!     Planning a trip with my brother and son the first of August to do some primitive camping and fly fishing.  My brother lives in Denver and we will be launching the "expedition" from his house. <G     What I would like to know is how are the rivers running so far.  My brother and I fished both the Frying Pan and the South Platte two or three times last year, and didn’t do very well at either one.     Ideally we would want someplace that isn’t heavily fished or camped, but where we have a better than even chance of catching a few fish.  We can four wheel it, or some hiking is not out of the question (son just got out of Marine Corps training and we can use him as a mule <G).  Gold Medal Water fishing is not needed, as fishing Gold Metal Water didn’t really help us last year.     Open to suggestions. K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

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[deleted] Corps training and we can use him as a mule <G).  Gold Medal Water fishing is not needed, as fishing Gold Metal Water didn’t really help us last year.     Open to suggestions.

the gold medal water in colorado generally has a lot of fish…sometimes they just get pucker-headed in August (or anytime…directly proportional to the amount of time, money and planning invested in the trip)….when it warms up…on the other hand, if you nail it just right it can be awesome.   that said, it would still be my *earnest* recommendation to blow off all of the places you’ve ever heard about, get in the car, get a map and head to those places that are green on the map with lots of x’s (indicating BIG mountain peaks) and blues (rivers, lakes and creeks).  Don’t get to hung up on a spot unless you really like it…inquire in the local stores, buy something…plan to hike to your spot…you might find something you weren’t even looking for. Your pal, TimW

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My Michigan Editor, Tom Huggler’s a bit late out of the gate with his material.  He’s written at least six books on fishing Michigan and you’ll find he’s got excellent coverage on trout and steelhead.  Add salmon and you’ve some dandy chances.   We’ve some postings on Michigan now, and will have a lot more by the first of the year. I’m interested in going flyfishing for trout this coming columbus day, (federal holiday).  Being new to this hobby, I’m not very familiar with the streams in michigan yet.  My question is, what streams, if any, exist within 1-2 hours of metro detroit that contain trout.  I know the trout season ends by then for streams not designated extended-season, but any responses I get will be usefull if not now, then next season. — Bill Kempisty                |                    |^^^| U.S. Army Corps of Engineers |   Ohhhh Noooo      |o.o|

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Most of the better waters are about 3hrs north of DEE-troit and beyond. There is Paint Creek, near Rochester. It’s a small stream, and rather difficult to fish because of this, and because it generally runs very clear. There are 18 inch browns in it, but anything over 10" is really quite unusual. This is quite a gem of a stream, especially when you realize just how close (the DEE-troit ‘burbs) it is to the metro–naturally reproducing trout on the outer donut of one of the worlds biggest industrial complexes. The Clinton Valley Chapter of TU has done alot of work on it (I’m a member, but started after most of this work was done, so I take no credit), and the best places to fish are around these sites. Email me your fax # and I’ll send you a map. Better yet, stop by Paint Creek Outfitters in Rochester and buy one for 2 or 3 bucks (the club gets the lions share of the $). Have at it, My Friend…

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I’m interested in going flyfishing for trout this coming columbus day, (federal holiday).  Being new to this hobby, I’m not very familiar with the streams in michigan yet.  My question is, what streams, if any, exist within 1-2 hours of metro detroit that contain trout.  I know the trout season ends by then for streams not designated extended-season, but any responses I get will be usefull if not now, then next season. — Bill Kempisty                |                    |^^^| U.S. Army Corps of Engineers |   Ohhhh Noooo      |o.o|

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I operate a Cortland Pro Shop and Stock over 300 DIFFERENT Cortland Fly Lines. I also build custom rods and have lots of other neat stuff.  If I can help out anyone with anything let me know. George E. Hoskin/Hoskin Enterprises RFD 1, Box 841 West Bath, Maine 04530 1-207-443-6064 1-800-244-7744

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There is an article in the Long Island Edition of The Fisherman Magazine which, as I understand it, is distributed for several other areas as well on the east coast. I found some interesting tips in the article so I thought I’d pass it along…. HighHooks-n-TightLines,      Jose

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We have a farm pond that’s over-run with gills, I keep a cane pole with a #14 wooly-worm at ready to reduce the numbers, Over the past two years we’ve really improved the fishing there alot.  We ocasionally get one that’s big enough to eat, but they get thrown back. Bob

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I           lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

Yee!  I use small spider fly, which I will let go with the edge of the current, you will see the splash!  By the way, red is my favorite color in Summer, and spider is easy to tie by yourself don’t waste money! Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lines: 12 I too love to flyfish for bluegill.  I lived in the great basin area of the west for 25 years, and only thought that trout were worth flyfishing for. Then I moved to Indiana, bass and bluegill heaven.  I use a 2weight rod and poppers that I make out of foam, cork, or balsa.  The average bluegill in this area  is about 6 inches, but I have caught several bluegill out of a particular lake that have been 12 inches long.  I don’t dream about owning a house on a stream in the west anymore, I dream about owning a small lake that has big bass and bluegill in it. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

Chris, what is the length of the rod? I use to use a 9ft 2wt, but now I use a 10ft 3wt. From the Float Tube of Elmer G. Meiler Somewhere on the Pond of OZ

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I like a black wooly buggerish fly tied out of just black marabou on a #10 3906b (or a reasonable facsimile).  Just tie it in at the bend, wrap the marabou to the eye, tie it off and viola!  A simple bluegill killer.  A small deer hair frog will also take bluegills and bass.  When all else fails, a peacock body with a hungarian partridge hen hackle in front fished wet is also a killer.

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Any black midge or small callabaetis works well.

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   I have literally NEVER cast one of those without catching a bluegill!

Try this on for size for bluegill madness! Same as above for the fly, but try using a three weight rod. A teeny bluegill suddenly feels like a 5 pound monster! Bluegill ho! edwin

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When they are down deeper try a Bully bluegill spider byTerry Wilson, great fly. The bass pond has them or all Terry at 417-777-2467

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I’ve found that the small to middling bluegills are the ones you’ll find hitting anything up top. The really big ones become more solitary and hang out at the lower levels. For these, the best flies by far are nymphs in the 8-12 size range. You’ll probably want to custom-tie some weighted ones with weed guards to get down there quickly, but it’s worth the effort to feel a big dinner-plate sized bluegill turning sideways and pulling with all its might. BTW, the April issue of 8-Wt Journal is, coincidentally, on bluegills. JL 8-Wt Editor

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg

There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

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My Friends, I really appreciate everyones respond to my message! It seems like bulegill get a little respect after all! I thought I was one of few who enjoyed catching them! I read everyones message, but I did not hear about any hot fishing spots. I already have a box full of flies ready for this weekend! If there are any lakes or ponds that you suggest let know. Thanks Greg Classic Fly Fisherman Company P.O. Box 4521 Greenville, De 19807-4521 Phone: (302) 764-3236 Fax: (302) 764-5974

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I’ve had great luck catching bluegills using a two fly rig with an Irristible dry fly as a strike indicator and a Silver Hilton as the trailer.  The silver hilton is a steelhead pattern which I tie on a size 12 79580 Mustad sized right for the small mouths of our bluegills. Why this miniature Silver Hilton pattern drives the bluegills nuts is a mystery to me, maybe the action of the split wing, maybe the size and color imitates some common bug?   In some years, we get heavy infestations of a dusty gray moth we here call ‘millers’ (moth of the ordinary cutworm). In those years, a Hornberg is deadly on bluegills during miller season.

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

Two Words: Sneaky Pete.  Available many places (even Orvis!).  Bluegills can’t say no to this guy…. Phil Calvin                                       ‘91 Hawkgt, DoD#242

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: There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be : lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at : them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? For BIG bluegill, try a popper bug .. it will always float (if its wood), and don’t be suprised if a largemouth bass hit it too, or a pickerel for that matter. — pete

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Greg, Yep.  All of the above.  dries, nymps, streamers, wet’s they’ll all catch ‘gills. in early spring – pre-spawn, a small nymph works great, as do woolly worms and smaller woolly buggers.(wooly’s are great all season) During the spawn — wooly’s or just about anything slowly swimming through the spawninb beds.  Humpy’s for dries or small poppers, are a blast when the water is smooth as glass! Jim Elias Blue Grass IA H.Y.M.R.

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

The feature that most great bluegill flies have in common is white rubber legs.  Look for the very fine strands; sometimes it is hard to find in fly shops. My favorite fly is a girdle bug:  black chenille body on a long shank nymph hook (size 10 or 12, depending on the fish), white rubber legs and a couple of strands for a tail.  Weight with lead wire, a bead head, or just a split shot on the leader if the water is more than a couple feet deep. Frank Stetzer                        "…a cheerful comrade is better Information and Media Technologies    than a waterproof coat and a Univ Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA         foot-warmer."  Henry Van Dyke,

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: There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be : lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at : them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

I have been fly fishing for bluegills for many years now and have settled on two flys: For a dry fly I use the renegade which has hackle front and back to keep it afloat. If they’re not taking the dry,I use a Montana nymph which seems to work on just about any fish. The trick is to find a lake with big bluegills and not like most lakes with lots of but mostly stunted fish!!!!! Anyway, good luck and have fun !!

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I too love to flyfish for bluegill.  I lived in the great basin area of the west for 25 years, and only thought that trout were worth flyfishing for. Then I moved to Indiana, bass and bluegill heaven.  I use a 2weight rod and poppers that I make out of foam, cork, or balsa.  The average bluegill in this area  is about 6 inches, but I have caught several bluegill out of a particular lake that have been 12 inches long.  I don’t dream about owning a house on a stream in the west anymore, I dream about owning a small lake that has big bass and bluegill in it. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I           lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

I’ve been using small #10 yellow popping bugs, the kind that are shaped like a small cigar and have four ruber feet and a small feather tail. the bluegills and crappie have been tearing them up, and i’ve had the ocaisional small large mouth hit them too, but big brim really love’m,. Bill C.

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I own a one acre pond that is full of large bluegills. The oldest are 5 years old and there are plenty of them. Since the second year I have fished the pond almost entirely with a fly rod. Since I release nearly all of them, they have become very educated to my patterns. At one time a wooly bugger could take about everything including the channel cats. Now I have to change patterns all the time. As soon as I find an effective fly, it takes about a week, they just stop biting on it. Then its a trial and error search until I find the right combination. Any suggestions?  I have had great luck with chrinomidge patterns, nymphs, wooly buggers ( olive and black), and limited luck with dry fly patterns. These are smart fish!

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I was just browsing through Wulff on Flyfishing.  He recommends the backwards-tied fly for these smart, educated fish.  Its just the same as a normal pattern, except the hackle & head are at the hook bend.  Lee Wulff opines that its the bend in the hook that is the giveaway to the educated fish and that when the hackle is tied over the bend and hides it, you are one up on the fish.  Also, he suggests that, especially with dry flies, the flotation is better since the hackle floats the heavier portion of the fly (the bend) better. I haven’t tried these "backwards flies" but it might work. Regards, Al Soroka

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

Just about anything that moves will catch bluegills.  Dry ones are fun just twitch them a bit enough to make a ripple.  Watch the bugs on the water.  The flit about just making ripples, then **WHAM** bluegill will hit it and take it under.  They go for anything that moves though.

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   In my experience, the ONE guaranteed-to-catch-em bluegill fly is one of those tiny little cork/balsa flat-faced poppers, in either yellow or pearl, with rubber legs and a tuft of feather out the back. (I’m talking about the kind that are almost a dime a dozen in bubble packaging at K-Mart!)    I have literally NEVER cast one of those without catching a bluegill!    BTW, I too love to fish for bluegill.  Many days, after fishing with bigger flys for smallmouth, I’ll end the day by tying on one of those little poppers and catching some bluegill.  I find the tiny poppers are a joy to cast with an 8-weight rod as they are virtually weightless on a big tippet, allowing you to really "slice-n-dice" on casts, delicately placing the popper under branches, overhangs, etc.    Ditto on bluegill being great fighters…they’re like the ants of the fish world…super-strong for their size! —         Scott Wilkinson         Montgomery County, Maryland

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

There are a LOT of flies that will work for bluegill and other panfish, but the two best, bar none, are the rubber spider, and the Sneaky Pete popper. The spiders, in sizes 8 to 16, are _absolutely_ the most deadly fly around. The best day I ever had fishing was one in which I caught 200 bluegill in _2_hours_, all on a black rubber spider. It was taking me longer to unhook the fish than it was to catch them! <<grin However, if you want ONLY pan-size panfish, use the Sneaky Pete, size 10 or larger, in chartreuse. Small fish will hit at it, but won’t be able to grab it. Only the larger fish will take it down… and then you’ve got ‘em! Nymphs, dries, and poppers of all types, as well as small streamers, will all work for bluegill… but these two flies are the top producers. — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios

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