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i-81, north of syracuse, turn right…  hmmm, sounds like another snipe hunt…  but, after participating in a few hundred of them, i’m still tryin to get the hang of it.  so, pencil me in. jeff (more simpler) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff.  …um, how do you get to allmur? It couldn’t be more simple.   If’n you can get to I-81 anywhere between Tennessee & New York, you’ve got it licked.   If you’re starting out in the I-95 corridor, pick the east/west interstate of your choice.   Once you’re on I-81, stay on it until about 35 miles north of Syracure and turn right. At that point, you’re as good as there. Joe F.

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you got a cah? …i got a truk.  …but, if a truk will do, where is altmar? jeff Find Lake Ontario on a map of NY. Can’t miss it. Look for the big blue thing in the upper left.

FYI.   I think that this year was one of the best I have had in many years, I spent a total of about 4-5 weeks on and off,  fishing there. I have been fishing the Salmon River for over 18 years.  The Salmon run started the first week in September, and my last trip finished up Sunday November 10th.   To my amazement the Kings were still running into the river, and I found that most were still in excellent shape. Finished up the last day with a catch of 3 browns, ranging between 7-10lbs., one Steelhead rather small and several Kings.  All were released.   Arty PS, only broke one fly rod this season. Art(Arty)Santella

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Unbelievably, it’s time to start considering whether or not you’re interested in a repeat (and hopefully, an improvement) on the 2002 Salmon River mini-clave.   In 2003, we will not be staying at Malinda’s, only because she is already booked up for every weekend through October 19 (as is the Portly Angler and Whitaker’s). Rather than push the dates back and risk missing too much of the prime run, Craig & I have found another lodge that promises better accommodations than Malinda’s (I know, "How is that possible?" you ask.) and that actually has rooms available for the earlier weekend. So – if you are thinking you might want to book a room at clave central next year, October 16-19, 2003, email me & I’ll give you the location.   Or, if there’s enough tentative interest at this early date, I’ll just book a second (or third?) room as I did last year. Joe F.

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So – if you are thinking you might want to book a room at clave central next year, October 16-19, 2003, email me & I’ll give you the location.   Or, if there’s enough tentative interest at this early date, I’ll just book a second (or third?) room as I did last year.

FYI:   I’ve received enough "maybes" that I went ahead and booked a 4-person efficiency at the "Fish Inn Post" (www.fishinnpost.com) in Altmar, NY for the nights of 10/16/03 through 10/18/03.   I will put down the deposit & hold this room for potential miniclavers.   I have never been to this lodge & can’t attest to anything about it, but how bad could it be, eh? That ought to cover it until next summer, I’d expect.   We’ll talk then. Joe F. p.s.   If anyone would like a recommendation for a good guide, I’d recommend Pat Miura (http://members.aol.com/pmiura/index.html).   I know he’s booked for Saturday, 10/18, but it’s not too early if you want to grab a different day.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So – if you are thinking you might want to book a room at clave central next year, October 16-19, 2003, email me & I’ll give you the location.   Or, if there’s enough tentative interest at this early date, I’ll just book a second (or third?) room as I did last year. FYI:   I’ve received enough "maybes" that I went ahead and booked a 4-person efficiency at the "Fish Inn Post" (www.fishinnpost.com) in Altmar, NY for the nights of 10/16/03 through 10/18/03.   I will put down the deposit & hold this room for potential miniclavers.   I have never been to this lodge & can’t attest to anything about it, but how bad could it be, eh? That ought to cover it until next summer, I’d expect.   We’ll talk then. Joe F. p.s.   If anyone would like a recommendation for a good guide, I’d recommend Pat Miura (http://members.aol.com/pmiura/index.html).   I know he’s booked for Saturday, 10/18, but it’s not too early if you want to grab a different day.

I’ve stayed here a fw times and it’s a step up from Malinda’s. Paul

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i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff.  …um, how do you get to allmur? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FYI:   I’ve received enough "maybes" that I went ahead and booked a 4-person efficiency at the "Fish Inn Post" (www.fishinnpost.com) in Altmar, NY for the nights of 10/16/03 through 10/18/03.   I will put down the deposit & hold this room for potential miniclavers.   I have never been to this lodge & can’t attest to anything about it, but how bad could it be, eh?

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i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff.  …um, how do you get to allmur?

cah

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you got a cah? …i got a truk.  …but, if a truk will do, where is altmar? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff.  …um, how do you get to allmur? cah

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you got a cah? …i got a truk.  …but, if a truk will do, where is altmar? jeff

Find Lake Ontario on a map of NY. Can’t miss it. Look for the big blue thing in the upper left. Altmar is about 10 miles east of the lake and about 5 miles east of Pulaski. Paul

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i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff.  …um, how do you get to allmur?

It couldn’t be more simple.   If’n you can get to I-81 anywhere between Tennessee & New York, you’ve got it licked.   If you’re starting out in the I-95 corridor, pick the east/west interstate of your choice.   Once you’re on I-81, stay on it until about 35 miles north of Syracure and turn right. At that point, you’re as good as there. Joe F.

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What type of reel do you use?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\ The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries.

So do we owe you a belated congratulations?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\ The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries. So do we owe you a belated congratulations?

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Chev or Ford?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\ The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\ I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

Hey, wow, that’s pretty darned good……except you misspelled "cheeks". Wolfgang interesting name, is that portugese?

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\

The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries. But I do see your point.

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\ The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\ I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars.

If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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\ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\

The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\

I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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To anyone that replies to this, please remove rec.outdoors.fishing.fly from the send to list.

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Hearing the overwhelming voice of the American people,  a bi-partisan bill was introduced to enact the Roadless Rule in law. The bill already  has 172 votes in the house.  Im glad to see SOME politicians still care about the wishes of the people of America.

OK, I’ll bite.  What’s a roadless rule?  -Dave — On hotmail dot com, I am user "junknothankyou".

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Hearing the overwhelming voice of the American people,  a bi-partisan bill was introduced to enact the Roadless Rule in law. The bill already  has 172 votes in the house.  Im glad to see SOME politicians still care about the wishes of the people of America. Also, Bush again tries to make taxpayers  pay for corporate pollution. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2444-2002Jun5.html do Nothing Bush: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/06/opinion/06HERB.html Air Force Col suspended for bad mouthing Bush: http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/3393351.htm — Sent by  arvon45 from yahoo included in com This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header. Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new

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Oops!  I am sure glad that I am not required to understand the physics of fly casting in order to do it because if I was I would be in serious trouble. I try to keep it simple.  I fish, therefore I am. JK

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bloody hell John, I hope you mean grains !  I would not like to try casting a fly-line weighing over a pound !  (Especially not from Airflo !! 500 grams would be 7716 grains !!!! 350 grains = 22.5  grams or 0.8 oz. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de I have had very good experiences fishing the their fast sinking line. The design is similar to the Teeny in that it has a running (intermediate) line attached to a shooting head.  The version I have is about 500 grms. My experience is that this weight business differs wildly between fly lines. The Cortland line I have which I think is a 350 feels like 650.

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I have had very good experiences fishing the their fast sinking line.  The design is similar to the Teeny in that it has a running (intermediate) line attached to a shooting head.  The version I have is about 500 grms. My experience is that this weight business differs wildly between fly lines. The Cortland line I have which I think is a 350 feels like 650.

That’s interesting.  My Teeny 300 feels heavier than my Scientific Anglers Wet Cel 11 wt shooting head (nominally 330 grains – I haven’t weighed it because my scale is in storage in Michigan) on my 9 weight rod.  I’m not sure what it is.  IIRC Teeny’s prototypes were originally made by Sci Ang and might still be. (In fact, two years ago at a fly fishing show I asked a 3M rep all kinds of questions regarding splicing custom density compensated shooting heads and he sent me and assortment of 5 sinking fly lines that he had used for his research.  Three of them were 3M lines and two were Teenys).  Obviously the linear density of the Teeny line is greater since it’s 300 grains and 24 ft whereas the 11 wt Wet Cel is 330 grains over 30 feet.  The 11 wt is rated as a Type IV and not sure what the Teeny is.  The 11 wt is tapered and the Teeny is not. Airflo claims that their Depth Charge lines have the smallest diameter/grain weight ratio.  That might have something to do with your experiences. Mu, still searching for clues

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Throw him in the river and he will come up with

a fish in his mouth.                                   Arabian proverb.<   When I was a kid, growing up in Youngstown OH, we used to say (about someone we considered lucky), "If he fell in the Mahoning River, he’d come out with a fish in his pocket."  The M. was dead as a doornail from steel mill pollution in those days.  

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I have had very good experiences fishing the their fast sinking line.  The design is similar to the Teeny in that it has a running (intermediate) line attached to a shooting head.  The version I have is about 500 grms. My experience is that this weight business differs wildly between fly lines. The Cortland line I have which I think is a 350 feels like 650. My main concerns in these kinds of line are: 1. The most importand consideration is tangles.  I fish for striped bass off Cape Cod where the air temperature can vary from 95 degrees in summer to forty degrees in the fall.  I have found the Airflo to have the least tendency to tangle.  Since one of the main concerns in fishing fast sinking, shooting head lines is distance, this is a major concern.   I commonly have 70 feet of line to contend with when retrieving.  If the line tends to tangle you can find the day very frustrating and you can lose some nice fish if a tangle jams in your guides. 2. Finding the correct weight.  As noted above, I do not know how much the issue is actual weight and how much it is the way that weight is distributed but there is quite a range in the way these shooting head type lines feel to cast. I noticed on their web site that they are now guarranteeing their lines not to crack for five years. JK

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ref other postings: Early airflo lines were terrible, not even much use as parcel string, came undone too easily. The modern ones are much better, quite usable in fact. Not as good as the best Cortland or Sci Anglers of course, but available here (uk) at competetive package prices. You gents in the US would balk at the prices we pay! Chris — Throw him in the river and he will come up with a fish in his mouth.                                                                 Arabian proverb. Where’s this river then? I hope its the Bow, Thompson or Vedder, which I aim to fish this summer.

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Bloody hell John, I hope you mean grains !  I would not like to try casting a fly-line weighing over a pound !  (Especially not from Airflo !! 500 grams would be 7716 grains !!!! 350 grains = 22.5  grams or 0.8 oz. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had very good experiences fishing the their fast sinking line.  The design is similar to the Teeny in that it has a running (intermediate) line attached to a shooting head.  The version I have is about 500 grms. My experience is that this weight business differs wildly between fly lines. The Cortland line I have which I think is a 350 feels like 650.

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Hi Ref other postings: Early airflo lines were terrible, not even much use as parcel string, came undone too easily. The modern ones are much better, quite usable in fact. Not as good as the best Cortland or Sci Anglers of course, but available here (uk) at competetive package prices. You gents in the US would balk at the prices we pay! Chris — Throw him in the river and he will come up with a fish in his mouth.                                                                 Arabian proverb. Where’s this river then? I hope its the Bow, Thompson or Vedder, which I aim to fish this summer.

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Hi Ref other postings: Early airflo lines were terrible, not even much use as parcel string, came undone too easily. The modern ones are much better, quite usable in fact. Not as good as the best Cortland or Sci Anglers of course, but available here (uk) at competetive package prices. You gents in the US would balk at the prices we pay! Chris — Throw him in the river and he will come up with a fish in his mouth. Arabian proverb. Where’s this river then? I hope its the Bow, Thompson or Vedder, which I aim to fish this summer.

I bought an Airflo line last year at a sporting goods store that was getting out of the fishing business.  This particular shop specializes in hunting/shooting and apparently wasn’t very successful selling to anglers.  The line had been reduced in price three times to a final selling price of only $20.  For that price, I figured I couldn’t go wrong–so I bought it.  It’s a DT5F in a light brown color and so far it seems to work as advertised…  I’m probably not a good enough caster to be critiquing fly lines, but I don’t have any complaints about the Airflo line I’ve got. Tom G always looking for a good deal

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Does anyone know of any good links or resources for current fishing reports on the Klamath? Thx

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FISH FIRST

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Here’s a few links.  The first one is updated every Wednesday.  The other two are interesting but I’m not sure if there accurate or updated very often.     If you want a good book I recommend  "Fishing Central Oregon" edited by GeofHill  published by Sun Publishing in Bend Oregon. BJC http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ http://www.steelheader.net/home/default.shtml http://www.fishsniffer.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of any good links or resources for current fishing reports on the Klamath? Thx

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So far all the posts are out of date or bait guide ads.  To find out what is really happening on the Klamath, Smith Eel and the Trinity, call Mike Kuczynski at the Eureka Fly shop at 800-435-9546 or e-mail him at Mike has 2-3 guide boats on the water daily and has the scoop.  I went with him in October but conditions are different now.  Lots of bad data put out on these rivers.  Read carefully. Tight lines. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of any good links or resources for current fishing reports on the Klamath? Thx

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The lower 30 miles of river fishes best with a fly in September. You need a jet boat for most of this water. That is from Klamath Glen to Weitchpec. In October the fishing is usually good from Orleans to Happy Camp. This is walk in fishing or drift boating. In these warmer months you can fish a floating line as long as the sun is not on the water you are fishing. After the sun hits the water, most anglers use a sinktip to get down a little. In November the water gets a little colder so most are using sinking lines and weighted flies. They have fishing all winter if it is a mild one. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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try westfly.com great site      

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Depends on where you are (local species) . Price you are willing to spend. Local terrain of your most visited fishing water (overhanging trees vs open) Wading or bank fishing. However you can’t go wrong with the Cabelas 3forks 3wt 3piece 7.5′ combo as a starter. Ask anyone. John Popp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the brookie and checked out the world cup website. it seems to be a very novel idea. has this been around for a while or is it brand new….also i am interested more in flly fishing than spinning. could someone recomend a good starter setup for a novice?  thanks RJ —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Lots of very favorable posts have surfaced recently about the rods John mentioned…they seem to be very good rods for the $$$.  The only change I would make is for starters I would suggest something in a heavier weight line, say a 5 or 6 weight.  It’s a little more versatile and easier casting heavy nymphs, streamers and bass type flys. Good luck and Tight Lines! Natty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the brookie and checked out the world cup website. it seems to be a very novel idea. has this been around for a while or is it brand new….also i am interested more in flly fishing than spinning. could someone recomend a good starter setup for a novice?  thanks RJ —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Depends on where you are (local species) . Price you are willing to spend. Local terrain of your most visited fishing water (overhanging trees vs open) Wading or bank fishing. However you can’t go wrong with the Cabelas 3forks 3wt 3piece 7.5′ combo as a starter. Ask anyone.

You will quite certinly go wrong with a 3wt outfit for a complete beginner. Get a 5-6 wt first. The heavier line gives a much better feeling for the timing than a 3wt. Casting is easier with a heavier line. Wolfgang — shconnect Internet Service Grosse Strasse 17, 24392 S

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I will be fishing Shasta Lake in California the last week in April from a boat, float tube and shore.  What fly patterns should I use for this lake and this time of year ? TIA, Bob

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Ask the boys at:  http://www.theflyshop.com/ in Redding, CA…this is right up their alley…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be fishing Shasta Lake in California the last week in April from a boat, float tube and shore.  What fly patterns should I use for this lake and this time of year ? TIA, Bob

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I will be fishing Shasta Lake in California the last week in April from a boat, float tube and shore.  What fly patterns should I use for this lake and this time of year ? TIA, Bob

Hi Bob, That is a great time for bass and trout. There are thread fin shad in the lake that can be anywhere from 1/2" to 2" long that all the fish feed upon. The fish are all near the surface in the fall, winter and spring so fly fishing will be great. Hal Janssen developed a mylar shad imitation many years ago that is one of the standard patterns in most CA valley reservoirs. Another fly is a #6/8 brown woolly bugger for an attractor pattern for bass. I would have a floater if you find them ‘busting’ on top(most of that in the fall). Then I would have a full sinking line to get down about 10 feet. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy.

It would be unlikely (though not impossible) that it’s primary function was as a salmon rod. Even today salmon in Britain are normally fished for with two-handed rods, from 12 to 15 or more feet long. You may fish for summer fish with a shorter rod but you’ll then be said to be fishing with a trout rod. It might well be one of two things: a sea-trout rod (in other words trout that migrate to sea like steelhead) and are fished for on rivers – that is if the action is quite tight and fast, or, I think more likely,  a boat rod,  for fishing for trout from a boat drifiting along on a lake with the prevailing wind. In this fashion, casts are quite short, and very soft rods were used – very often around this length. I still have one my father inherited in the 1920s from a major Irish fisherman, but I must say that I find it unfishable. I fish with split cane on the English chalkstreams, but anything of ten foot I would find very hard going

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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Ed, I think this rod was made by (or for ?) Carter & Co., London that appears to have been a tackle store (??) that existed from 1853 till 1969. The company changed it’s name from Alfred Carter to Carter & Co. in 1901, so your rod is definitely post 1901. This is all I could find out from my books. regards Inge Solberg Houston, TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age. It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods. Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

Heck, I’m no expert (for sure) but I may be able to point you in the right direction.  It does sound like a salmon rod, probably taking about an 8 to 10 weight line.  The wraps every inch or so were called "intermediate wraps" and were originally used when glues weren’t very good.  However, UK-built rods seem to value tradition and rods with intermediate wraps were available in the 1970’s (I believe from Clifford Constable — or was it J.Sharpe?).  In my web wanderings I found a site that frequently auctions cane rods in the UK (I think it is www.auctions-on-line.com, if that doesn’t work e-mail me and I’ll find it) with descriptions, etc.  Sorry I can’t help with the name of the actual maker — I only know of companies that were on the scene in the 1970’s or later (i.e., Hardy, Constable, Farlow, Sharpe, Partridge, etc.). BTW–If you do find out exactly what it is, please post a follow-up. George (Irish descent, not living in Ireland)

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: Every once in awhile I foul hook a trout. I think it is becasue : they are "bumping" the nymph so when I strike I’m likely to foul : hook it. Exactly.  And it seems an unavoidable side affect of nymphing.   Barbless flies or not, this can cause considerable harm to a fish…have you ever reeled one in by the eyeball…really, let’s face it folkes…nymphing is very, very similar to drifting bait… Tim Walker

Most of my nymphing is done by upstream casting to individual feeding trout. This technique is effective and foul hooks very few fish. Ian Walker

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What you need are some brothers to go fishing with you. Me and my brothers call it "Ass-ing" (refering to foul hooking, sometimes literally in the anus).  When one of us "Asses" a fish the other two jump in with verbal taunting and abuse (ie.. we make yipe-ing sounds like would a puppy if you stepped on its paw- Yipe, Yipe, Yipe!).   Anyway the verbal abuse is so bad that you seem to fish more carefull and "Ass" less fish.  Not sure why, but is seems to work! *note* If you don’t have brothers, drinking buddies seem to do.

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[deleted] : Me and my brothers call it "Ass-ing" (refering to foul hooking, sometimes : literally in the anus).  When one of us "Asses" a fish the other two jump : in with verbal taunting and abuse (ie.. we make yipe-ing sounds like would : a puppy if you stepped on its paw- Yipe, Yipe, Yipe!).   Ahh yes…the gentle sport…..

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This foul hooking thread is interesting. I am not a biologist, but I suspect that if everyone fished barbless flies, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. Not sure, but thats what I suspect. Dale Owens

You may not be a biologist, but you’re right on the money.  A recent review of many scientific studies, published in peer reviewed journals compiled data on thousands of fish.  They showed a lower mortality of fish caught on barbles hooks.  The reference has been posted to the group several times, and I have it at my home office if you email me.  Bottom line is, we can’t help the occasional foul hookup, nor the hookup with a fish outside the legal size limit, but we can assure that such fish have a better chance of survival after we release them.  One of the best ways to improve fish survival is to use barbles hooks.  Other good practices are to use single point hooks, use artificial lures only (eg flies), keep the fish in the water, and land your fish quickly.  Good luck. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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This foul hooking thread is interesting. I am not a biologist, but I suspect that if everyone fished barbless flies, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. Not sure, but thats what I suspect. Dale Owens You may not be a biologist, but you’re right on the money.  A recent review of many scientific studies, published in peer

Foulhooking mainly occurs on bright sunny days when a trout’s eyesight is diminished, they simply miss the fly, you strike … and you see the results of the contortions of a fish when in the act of taking a live insect of various phase…although I doubt that the barb has anything to do with the subject, they are terrific to use!!! they result in a pretty *clean* release without handling the fish at all, just a twist, and they’re off. Consultant_of_the_LDR steve d.

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This past weekend, while flyfishing (#14 caddis) my friend and I each foul hooked a trout. I was using a dropper, tied with a 12" tippet to the shank of the dry, but I saw the ‘bow go for the dry and that’s the hook that caught him, on the anal fin. It happens.

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This past weekend, while flyfishing (#14 caddis) my friend and I each foul hooked a trout. I was using a dropper, tied with a 12" tippet to the shank of the dry, but I saw the ‘bow go for the dry and that’s the hook that caught him, on the anal fin. It happens.

Yes, it happens.  But it shouldn’t!   Using adropper setup is just inviting foul hooking and abusing the trout.  If you are planning on releasing the fish you catch, don’t use a dropper setup.                                                 Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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Does anybody else have persistent problems foulhooking trout while nymphing? I’ve never heard this discussed, but I seem to hook more than my share. I’ve been nymph fishing for about 15 years, and the problem is not getting any better! Lyndon Lampert

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I don’t have any problems with it because I have no idea what it is. Excuse the question of a beginner, but what is foulhooking? Brew on! Bill Rucker Email- Work                                            Home

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I don’t have any problems with it because I have no idea what it is. Excuse the question of a beginner, but what is foulhooking?

Snagging.  Hooking a fish anywhere other than in the mouth, and/or for a reason other than that the fish attempted to eat the lure/fly. -tgades

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: Does anybody else have persistent problems foulhooking trout while : nymphing? I’ve never heard this discussed, but I seem to hook more than : my share. I’ve been nymph fishing for about 15 years, and the problem is : not getting any better! It does happen quite a bit while nymphing, even in streams that aren’t literally packed with trout.  It happens to me just as often dry fly fishing though, perhaps even more often.  Using barbless hooks can minimize the damage and you can LDR the fish once you see he’s foul hooked.

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Does anybody else have persistent problems foulhooking trout while nymphing? I’ve never heard this discussed, but I seem to hook more than my share. I’ve been nymph fishing for about 15 years, and the problem is not getting any better! Lyndon Lampert

I haven’t be fishing as long as you, but I have also has that problem (only once but for me that is enough to be a problem) I would like to known what can be done to prevent this from happening.                                                 Brian —

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Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Does anybody else have persistent problems foulhooking trout while nymphing? I’ve never heard this discussed, but I seem to hook more than my share. I’ve been nymph fishing for about 15 years, and the problem is not getting any better! I have had the same problem,  What I think happens, although I have not proven it, is that a fish rubs agains the leader.  Enthusiastic "setting" of the hook snags either that fish or one near by.  After all, except for scale, this exactly the way you would snag fish on purpose.

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This foul hooking thread is interesting. I am not a biologist, but I suspect that if everyone fished barbless flies, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. Not sure, but thats what I suspect. Dale Owens

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Every once in awhile I foul hook a trout. I think it is becasue they are "bumping" the nymph so when I strike I’m likely to foul hook it. Michael

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: Every once in awhile I foul hook a trout. I think it is becasue : they are "bumping" the nymph so when I strike I’m likely to foul : hook it. Exactly.  And it seems an unavoidable side affect of nymphing.   Barbless flies or not, this can cause considerable harm to a fish…have you ever reeled one in by the eyeball…really, let’s face it folkes…nymphing is very, very similar to drifting bait… Tim Walker

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let’s face it folkes…nymphing is very, very similar to drifting bait…

I don’t buy that.  Having done both types of fishing, I find them quite different.  Fish swallow bait.  It is almost impossible to remove the hook from such a fish and have it live. Also, fish will strike a bait numerous times even after it has been yanked from their mouth in an unsuccessful hook set attempt.  Not so with nymphs. In fact, this is why the nymph fisherman, and not the bait fisherman, suffers foul hooking: because he is more sensitive to any movement on the end of his line. The only similarity I see between nymphing and drifting bait, is the drag-free presentation. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Does anybody else have persistent problems foulhooking trout while nymphing? I’ve never heard this discussed, but I seem to hook more than my share. I’ve been nymph fishing for about 15 years, and the problem is not getting any better!

Often, lots of foul hooks when nymphing means you’re setting the hook too slowly, i.e. you strike too late. Here’s the sequence of events.  The fish sucks in the nymph, decides it’s not food, and spits it out (this happens *very* quickly; that’s why you have to be quick on the trigger when nymphing).  You detect the strike a bit late, and set the hook after the nymph is already out of the fish’s mouth.  The fly, though, is still near the fish, and the set whips the fly and the line up past the fish, and the hook snags the fish in the belly, a fin, etc. If you don’t already use strike indicators, try them.  They can help alert you to the take that fraction of a second sooner you need to get a fair hook. Don’t wait for only the obvious takes.  Any change in your indicator or leader — a slight hesitation, a ring, a bit of drag — is possibly a take; strike early and often. Another possibility is you’re fishing at the wrong depth:  your flies are right on the bottom, but the fish are higher up; your line brushes a fish and you think it’s a strike, and again the line whips past the fish and the fly snags it.  This seems much less likely to me, though, since fish usually hold close to the bottom of the stream, because that’s where the current is least and because that’s where most of the aquatic insects live.  This may be more of an issue when nymphing in lakes or large, quiet pools. — Hewlett Packard Co.         Fort Collins, Colorado       "Think!  It ain’t illegal yet."  – George Clinton

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: let’s face it folkes…nymphing is very, very similar to : drifting bait… : I don’t buy that.  Having done both types of fishing, I find them quite : different.  Fish swallow bait.  It is almost impossible to remove : the hook from such a fish and have it live. I refer only to the mechanics of the drift… Tim Walker

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: let’s face it folkes…nymphing is very, very similar to : drifting bait… : I don’t buy that.  Having done both types of fishing, I find them quite : different.  Fish swallow bait.  It is almost impossible to remove : the hook from such a fish and have it live. I refer only to the mechanics of the drift…

But we were discussing snagging of fish.  This happens routinely when nymphing.  This happens damn-neared never when drifting bait, since hook is mostly shrouded.  I have never seen a bait fisher snag a fish on a river, and I’d suspect it’s fairly rare.  I have seen a drift-rig person snag many fish – but they were using heavy weight and a yarn fly, and no bait. The drift is similar, but the snagging rate is not.  That is what we are discussing. -tgades -tgades

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let’s face it folkes…nymphing is very, very similar to drifting bait… I don’t buy that.  Having done both types of fishing, I find them quite different.  Fish swallow bait.  It is almost impossible to remove the hook from such a fish and have it live.

Jeez… don’t you recognize a *troll* when you see one? (Tim, don’t bother to tell me if you’re not kidding.) — Hewlett Packard Co.         Fort Collins, Colorado       "Think!  It ain’t illegal yet."  – George Clinton

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Heading down to SC for Xmas to see sis.  Is there still fishing there at that time of year?  If so, where, and any suggested patterns?  Reply here or to email.  Thanks. Martin Rooney

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I read about a Fly Fishing list serve and I wrote down the address on a trout that I caught and released. Just kidding. OK. I’am Mr. Catch and Release. So, anyway…does anyone out there know of the address so I can get on this list serve? Thank you for your support. Remember: The future isn’t what it use to be. Mr.Polk . —

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