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The previous posts on the RRR provided a great description of the weather, the river and the activity.  This was my first smallmouth fishing opportunity as well as my first clave. Until the clave, most of my fly fishing experience was limited to largemouth and bluegills in ponds, lakes, and slow moving rivers. The clave was an outstanding introduction to fishing for smallmouths.  It was also the first time I fished a river like the Rapp – and really learned to appreciate a wading staff. It was hot and there were a number of challenges, but it was also a great learning experience.  With some coaching from Wayne and Frank Reid, I caught my first smallies, had the opportunity to try out a float tube and a kayak, and to learn a lot about heat stress.  Special thanks to Allan Epps for his help with the kayak. Bottom line – I really enjoyed the chance to meet and fish with the other clave attendees, a great group.  Looking forward to the next time – maybe trout? Thanks Al Poklemba

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Al,    Glad you have you along.  That was the "newbie initiation" clave.  Hot weather, humidity, low water, high water, tough fishing, all designed to weed out the chaff.  Depending on your point of view, it will only get better.       Frank Reid

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(nice TR snipped) Thanks Al Poklemba

Al, it was our pleasure to fish with such a gentleman.  I have some great small stream jaunts for Brookies in the SNP  or Mossy Creek for a spring creek experience, and the Jackson River for a big trout water experience.  Just let me know and we’ll hit the creeks! Wayne to fish is human…to release Divine!

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Al,   Glad you have you along.  That was the "newbie initiation" clave.  Hot weather, humidity, low water, high water, tough fishing, all designed to weed out the chaff.  Depending on your point of view, it will only get better.      Frank Reid

smallie or two, what with the tough fishing and all.  Looking forward to seeing you next year on the Rapp. Frank (chaff) Church in Elkhart, IN bassbugr AT yahoo dot com "jes’ blowin’ in the wind"

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Hey Frank baby, what’s up with the Mr. G. intro? Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Al,   Glad you have you along.  That was the "newbie initiation" clave.  Hot weather, humidity, low water, high water, tough fishing, all designed to weed out the chaff.  Depending on your point of view, it will only get better.      Frank Reid smallie or two, what with the tough fishing and all.  Looking forward to seeing you next year on the Rapp. Frank (chaff) Church in Elkhart, IN bassbugr AT yahoo dot com "jes’ blowin’ in the wind"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably are Gamma rays, actually.) Don’t tell my mother-in-law!  I finally convinced her to wear the aluminum foil helmet (made it myself, actually), and I don’t want to lose credibility with her…

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No, check it out, like, the device is magnetic, right? And, with enough carefull precision and some-one else’s infected butt one can carefully maneouver the device out through one’s mouth like they did in -now what was that k-ko0l christopher lambert movie in the 80’s again? Anyway, I’ve succeeded in removing mine and am currently on the road towards Mexico with a jammer in my left testicle – if all goes to plan the world will be obliterated by 7 ‘o clock this evening. I can’t give you any more details – Wish me luck. I HEAR THE OLD ONES SPEAK TO ME THROUGH JOHN TRAVOLTA’S RECTUM!!! AND STILL, THE PURPOSE OF LIFE HAS NOT YET DAWNED ON ME!!! PLACE YOUR NIPPLE IN MY MOUTH AND I WILL SHOW YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!!! GIVE ME MY ORANGE JUICE!!! SHMOO!!! -WIZDUMB. (H3′Z S0 SL1CK) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE  of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays.  Probably are Gamma rays, actually.) Don’t tell my mother-in-law!  I finally convinced her to wear the aluminum foil helmet (made it myself, actually), and I don’t want to lose  credibility with her… when i wear my foil helmet i sound like a truck in reverse *beep beep beep* headkase

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hehe made me smile

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hehe made me smile

me too

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i was just let in on a conspiracy from a guy in a black suburban with a flat top…. he had lepard print cup holders and one of those bead seat covers on the passenger side… he started "have you ever met a kid that wanted to be a preast?" "no" i replied as i started out the door he grabbed me and pulled me back in proclaiming i was being watched now. i asked by who, only to see a group of priests across the street.. he sped away, me still in the seat and he started to unveil all he knew. Priests don’t grow up, there aliens… and the pope is a prince… now, whenever a certain area is to be breached they down what the call a faggit, or a fag as we call them to go hit on all the locals, being a fag he is not seen as a threat.. so he integrates himself into the surroundings… quetly making money here and there while he can.  At night time he is contacted in his basement and beams all his money to the collective, now.. when enough money is reached the collective buys what they call a ultimate money raising house… or church, with the tax free income from the brain washed populi that fills the collection baskets and the rich and famous using there own tax evading ways (set up by the aliens using another node that comes out of the spine)[acid is the way to get around this node... hence the alien populis created drug charges for the drug... this also explains why the 60's/early 70's where creative times... we thought for ourselves] now, jesus was really an alien named bob that used his powers for good… the aliens being evil nailed him to a piece of wood and raped him… many times (there all gay remember) now back to the preists of doom. They followed us down the local blvd. using penis shaped ships… they were cloaked but we say them on the acid boys saburben heat sensors… they cornered us in a ally, when all of a sudden he started to bump suvivor by destiny’s child… he then said the aliens hated women and bad music… and destiny’s child was the worst enemy sense there all secretly lesbain.  which goes into another conspiracy regarding Nuns… but that will come at another time… if your not into acid he also revieled that nude pictures of the golden girls in your wallet also helped cancel out the node. Tyler.

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They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably are Gamma rays, actually.)

Don’t tell my mother-in-law!  I finally convinced her to wear the aluminum foil helmet (made it myself, actually), and I don’t want to lose credibility with her…

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Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on: The Illuminati do have orbital mind control lasers. But they’re not the Illuminati, that’s just a front. They’re aliens. Government aliens. And they have written many of the conspiracy theories – yeas, especially "Secret Squirrel." They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably are Gamma rays, actually.) They write about alien implants, and even abduct people to spread these theories, always being sure to have them believe the implants are in their heads. Of course, people even tell them, even if they don’t believe them, that it is all in their heads. But is it? No, that’s the conspiracy. You see, they are putting the mind control chips in your ass. How does it work? well, everyone has nerves in their ass, which it attaches to. Very few people check their ass for scars, so few people notice. It’s not active all the time, just when they really need it, and they have to reabduct people every few months to change the batteries. What are the signs? Hemmorhoids. Hemmorhoids are a sure sign you are allergic to the implant, or have just had it replaced and are still sore from the implantation. Other signs include an overwhelming desire to scream "you are a fucking idiot" at random people, especially scientologists. Scientologists are not immune, but are usually controlled by a rival, even more evil, conspiracy. You see, these conspiracies have been at war for thousands of years. The Illuminati are against Scientology, and if they control your ass, will force you to hate John Travolta. But you hated John Travolta before? Yes, this is what they want you to think. Of course, their is a solution. Wrapping your head in tinfoil only exposes you to MORE mindcontrol rays (tinfoil works like an antenna). So, what you need to do instead, is wrap your ass in duct tape. Really. And don’t ever take it off at night, for that is what they want you to do. When you are sleeping is the most important time to wear the duct tape, as that is when they will try to abduct you. Also, to stop them, boobytrap your ass. Really. Moustraps on the outside of the duct tape work good, and can be ducttaped on themselves. Rattraps work even better, but have the drawback of occasionally trapping a rat on your ass, which is not a fun thing, especially if rats have a natural tendency to search your ass for food. Glue mousetraps should not be worn, as they tend to trap, well, the chair you sit on, which is rarely a good thing. Garlic, of course, can always be used in addition to the traps, just in case the Illuminati are allergic to it. Never use mines or explosives, just in case the Illuminati do trigger your ass. And remember, all is not what it seems, especially with tinfoil on your head and ducttape on your ass. — — theoneflasehaddock formerly of deja.com AIM – the1flasehaddock Suspected GLOBAL VILLAGE IDIOT. founder of the ‘Royal Discordian Opposition to the Cursed Number after Nine and Before Seven’ Known mad Imposter Fuckwit, you hatter bastards

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Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on: Read GURPS Illuminati. Then remember that the author, Nigel Findley, died shortly after the book was published. It has the most interesting version of the OMCL’s you can find.

I’ve been meaning to read that one for a while, I keep hearing how good it is, I just never get around to finding a copy. Instead, I sit at a computer and troll. Yay. — — theoneflasehaddock formerly of deja.com AIM – the1flasehaddock Suspected GLOBAL VILLAGE IDIOT. founder of the ‘Royal Discordian Opposition to the Cursed Number after Nine and Before Seven’ Known mad Imposter Fuckwit, you hatter bastards

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: Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my : tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on: : : The Illuminati do have orbital mind control lasers. But they’re not the : Illuminati, that’s just a front. They’re aliens. Government aliens. And they : have written many of the conspiracy theories – yeas, especially "Secret : Squirrel." They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why : you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of : the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably : are Gamma rays, actually.) You need to use ARSCC-approved tinfoil hat to keep the mind control waves out of your head.  The ARSCC R&D Lab guarantees they are effective against even Scientology’s toadally gnarly Operating Thetans who can kill you with a thought. Perry Scott Co$ Escapee (ARSCC = alt.religion.scientology Central Committee.  It does not exist.  Really!  Now, see this red light?  … )

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Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on:

Read GURPS Illuminati. Then remember that the author, Nigel Findley, died shortly after the book was published. It has the most interesting version of the OMCL’s you can find. —   /   Marc Etienne Lachance, HOKuM, LMAA  /<  Episkopos without a cabal, /____ Non-Leader of Something or Another.

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Ever read "Foucault’s Pendulum"? I can’t look at another conspiracy theory the same, now. But, here’s mine:  there _is_ a conspiracy, only it’s not perpetrated by anyone in control of any government, or supergovernment, or occult organisation, or racial group or whatever.  It’s perpetrated by a wide variety of people with enough money not to worry about where their next meal is coming from, or about whether they’ll have a place to sleep, who are so caught up in trying to find some outside, all-encompassing explanation for why they got turned down at the bank for that loan for a jetski, or why Tammy didn’t win first at her school athletics day, or why Uncle Rob got cancer, that they lose sight of the places where they really _are_ being manipulated. Instead of spending some time thinking about (and getting mad about) the unequal distribution of resources (particularly food, but money can always by food, even in a famine) between the First and Third World, they get all anti about GE and how horrible it is that they’re forced to eat fly genes in those nice, fresh tomatoes.   Instead of getting active about overpopulation and/or too-low birth rates, they crow and complain when the government tries to steal _their_ money to build another road or add another few dollars to some superannuation scheme. Instead of seeing that eating unhealthily, not exercising, not going for regular check-ups and not following medical advice, they complain that it’s actually cellphones and suppressed anger and rays from spy satellites that makes them sick.     Instead of doing something constructive to lower the costs of medication to people in other countries (particularly for AIDS medication in Central Africa) to a level that is actually something lower than ten times their yearly income for a year-long course, they moan and whinge about how it’s actually vaccination that creates all the terrible sicknesses that we see in our everyday suburban, middle-class neighbourhood. I could (and will) go on about this, but you get the idea……. Love you heaps, Altair "We didn’t know they were going to drop a space station on us." -Trevor Canty, New Zealand fishing boat skipper, quoted in the New Zealand Herald, March 23, 2001. Coven of the Triple Moon: http://www.geocities.com.Paris/Cafe/8564/

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Why not just carry a PVC tube and break your rod down with line, leader, and fly still attached.  place in PVC when movin’ from place to place. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone still make "telescoping" fly rods, or is there anywhere I can get one of those old steel ones? I don’t expect it to be a great rod — just barely serviceable would do. A web search shows that Gatti makes a telescoping line of graphite rods, but they cost a fortune. The reason I want one is that I frequently travel on horseback when I’m fishing. I can ride in waders with no problem, but I don’t want to ride with an assembled rod (my horse is afraid of them, for one thing), and the prospect of rigging up my fly rod makes me pass up spots I’d like to try. Unless I’m willing to spend at least an hour at a spot, it just doesn’t seem worth it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Does anyone still make "telescoping" fly rods, or is there anywhere I can get one of those old steel ones? I don’t expect it to be a great rod — just barely serviceable would do. A web search shows that Gatti makes a telescoping line of graphite rods, but they cost a fortune. The reason I want one is that I frequently travel on horseback when I’m fishing. I can ride in waders with no problem, but I don’t want to ride with an assembled rod (my horse is afraid of them, for one thing), and the prospect of rigging up my fly rod makes me pass up spots I’d like to try. Unless I’m willing to spend at least an hour at a spot, it just doesn’t seem worth it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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and the prospect of rigging up my fly rod makes me pass up spots I’d like to try. Unless I’m willing to spend at least an hour at a spot, it just doesn’t seem worth it.

I use a DB Dun rod/reel case and leave my rod rigged up. A 3 or 4 piece model should fit on a saddle like a scabbard. — Charlie…

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Why not just carry a PVC tube and break your rod down with line, leader, and fly still attached.  place in PVC when movin’ from place to place.

I normally carry a five-piece 8.5-foot pack rod, Opie. That sounds like a real mess. I want something I can put in my saddle bags, and I’d like it to be at least seven feet long. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Does anyone still make "telescoping" fly rods, or is there anywhere I can get one of those old steel ones? I don’t expect it to be a great rod

Shakespeare makes some excellent telescoping fly rods, as do a number of other companies. I handled a couple of quite nice Korean ones as well recently. They cost less than fifty dollars, and felt very nice indeed.  No idea about long term quality, but a friend of mine brought his old Shakespeare telescopic for me to repair last year ( he had shattered the butt by running over it with his car ), and I repaired it. It was then as good as new, although over fifteen years old and heavily used. He uses it for fishing in the salt as well ! He asked me to order him a new one as well if possible, as a spare, as the only suppliers I knew of are in England, ( Good old Mullarkeys strikes again ! ), and my friend speaks no English, I did so.   Quite remarkably good for the price I thought. TL MC

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A search produced the following: http://www.google.de/search?q=Shakespeare+Telescopic+fly-rods&hl=de&csr= One of them should be somewhere near you. TL MC

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A search produced the following: http://www.google.de/search?q=Shakespeare+Telescopic+fly-rods&hl=de&csr= One of them should be somewhere near you.

I can find Shakespeare telescoping spinning rods, but not fly rods. I get the impression they don’t make them any more. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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A search produced the following: http://www.google.de/search?q=Shakespeare+Telescopic+fly-rods&hl=de&csr= One of them should be somewhere near you.

I followed one of the links on the search results page you posted. http://www.summerlands.co.uk/newfolder/page503.htm Pretty neat looking little thing. Steve, if you get one of these, a report on how it casts (and holds up) would be welcome.   JR

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A search produced the following: http://www.google.de/search?q=Shakespeare+Telescopic+fly-rods&hl=de&csr= One of them should be somewhere near you. I followed one of the links on the search results page you posted. http://www.summerlands.co.uk/newfolder/page503.htm Pretty neat looking little thing. Steve, if you get one of these, a report on how it casts (and holds up) would be welcome.

That’s odd. I can’t find this model on Shakespears’s web site: http://www.shakespeare-fishing.com/index.shtml The only telescoping rods I can find there are spinning rods. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I bought three from Mullarkeys at the end of last year for various friends who did not want to use conventional multi-piece rods.  It does appear that these rods are only available in the UK.  Whatever, if you have trouble getting one, get back to me with as exact specifications as possible, and I will get you one.   There are some nice Korean and Chinese telescopics available, and they are dirt cheap.   No big risk. Gattis are supposedly very good, ( I was once asked to join the pro-staff of Gatti, and I tried quite a few of their rods, very nice, but far too expensive ) the only telescopic of theirs which I tried was last year, and I did not like it.  I can not remember the model number, but it was the "adjustable length" model. TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A search produced the following: http://www.google.de/search?q=Shakespeare+Telescopic+fly-rods&hl=de&csr= One of them should be somewhere near you. I can find Shakespeare telescoping spinning rods, but not fly rods. I get the impression they don’t make them any more. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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A search produced the following: http://www.google.de/search?q=Shakespeare+Telescopic+fly-rods&hl=de&csr= One of them should be somewhere near you. I can find Shakespeare telescoping spinning rods, but not fly rods. I get the impression they don’t make them any more.

I’ve picked up a few UK magazines of late and they get stuff from Daiwa etc. that we don’t see here either.  Probably more of the same. Order it direct from the UK instead. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Yeah, that’s a Shakespeare USA site.  They might only have what they know they can market here.  Try http://www.shakespeare-fishing.co.uk/ You might have to order from UK by credit card and have them ship it to you. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.summerlands.co.uk/newfolder/page503.htm Pretty neat looking little thing. Steve, if you get one of these, a report on how it casts (and holds up) would be welcome. That’s odd. I can’t find this model on Shakespears’s web site: http://www.shakespeare-fishing.com/index.shtml The only telescoping rods I can find there are spinning rods.

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Yeah, that’s a Shakespeare USA site.  They might only have what they know they can market here.  Try http://www.shakespeare-fishing.co.uk/ You might have to order from UK by credit card and have them ship it to you.

Hmmm. I can’t find telescoping fly rods there, either. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hmmm. I can’t find telescoping fly rods there, either.

It is a plot to get you to train your horse properly.  Bush must have found out that you wanted one and got his oil company cronies together and decided that they would all just make fun of the Californican trying to train a horse.  Further more, your views on the energy crunch pissed them off so they really had it out for you <g Warren (Did that work Dave S.?)

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Yeah, that’s a Shakespeare USA site.  They might only have what they know they can market here.  Try http://www.shakespeare-fishing.co.uk/ You might have to order from UK by credit card and have them ship it to you. Hmmm. I can’t find telescoping fly rods there, either.

Check the link that JR recommended; http://www.summerlands.co.uk/newfolder/page503.htm The first two rods under telescoping are a 6/7 and a 7/8 wt. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Try this site rw.  A dutch auction of something you might be interested in: http://www.bidland.com/AX/Bidland/items/sports_and_recreation/210885/… .html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can find Shakespeare telescoping spinning rods, but not fly rods. I get the impression they don’t make them any more.

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Just down the road from Big Lake.  This one is a DAM which is German I believe. http://www.gapen.com/rodstelescoping.html#telescopingflyrod – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone still make "telescoping" fly rods, or is there anywhere I can get one of those old steel ones? I don’t expect it to be a great rod — just barely serviceable would do. A web search shows that Gatti makes a telescoping line of graphite rods, but they cost a fortune. The reason I want one is that I frequently travel on horseback when I’m fishing. I can ride in waders with no problem, but I don’t want to ride with an assembled rod (my horse is afraid of them, for one thing), and the prospect of rigging up my fly rod makes me pass up spots I’d like to try. Unless I’m willing to spend at least an hour at a spot, it just doesn’t seem worth it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Just down the road from Big Lake.  This one is a DAM which is German I believe. http://www.gapen.com/rodstelescoping.html#telescopingflyrod

Yes it is the DAM  ( Deutsche Angel Manufaktur) quite a nice rod actually, but it is far too expensive. It only costs about fifty dollars here. Somebody must be making good money on this stuff. TL MC

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I have a Palu’ telescoping fly rod. This is a quite expensive piece of gear (a present, actually). It can be locked in 4 different lengths.  It can be used with lines from 3 to 5. I have mixed feelings about it, although I have used it quite a lot in the recent past, more than my favorite 2 weight … It is a heavy sucker. When at full length (something like 12") it takes the wind out of you. When locked in the 2 shortest positions, it does not feel that heavy. I had problems with the guides, which are somewhat fragile. When used at its shortest length, it has the feel of a full-flex rod. When used at its longest length, it feels like a super-fast tip-flex rod. Its pros: the control on the line is amazing: mending, really high sticking etc. … super rod on spring creeks ! With a 5 weight line, it is a real shotgun. You can choose the length that is most appropriate for the current fishing conditions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone still make "telescoping" fly rods, or is there anywhere I can get one of those old steel ones? I don’t expect it to be a great rod — just barely serviceable would do. A web search shows that Gatti makes a telescoping line of graphite rods, but they cost a fortune. The reason I want one is that I frequently travel on horseback when I’m fishing. I can ride in waders with no problem, but I don’t want to ride with an assembled rod (my horse is afraid of them, for one thing), and the prospect of rigging up my fly rod makes me pass up spots I’d like to try. Unless I’m willing to spend at least an hour at a spot, it just doesn’t seem worth it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I can find Shakespeare telescoping spinning rods, but not fly rods. I get the impression they don’t make them any more.

Maybe you need some dapping rods?  I don’t know where he got them but my father-in-law has two telescopic rods that he claims are carp rods but they have gossamer tips which seem like the equivalent to a 2 wt fly rod. They are about 20" when stowed and 14′ when extended.  They have no guides.  It’s like a giant cane pole.   Mu

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Maybe you need some dapping rods?  I don’t know where he got them but my father-in-law has two telescopic rods that he claims are carp rods but they have gossamer tips which seem like the equivalent to a 2 wt fly rod. They are about 20" when stowed and 14′ when extended.  They have no guides.  It’s like a giant cane pole.

Funny you should mention that. I’m buying a 17′ telescoping dapping rod from Mike Connor. Mike was also kind enough to order a German-made telescoping fly rod for me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Still think you need to just train the damn horse…. <g Warren

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe you need some dapping rods?  I don’t know where he got them but my father-in-law has two telescopic rods that he claims are carp rods but they have gossamer tips which seem like the equivalent to a 2 wt fly rod. They are about 20" when stowed and 14′ when extended.  They have no guides.  It’s like a giant cane pole. Funny you should mention that. I’m buying a 17′ telescoping dapping rod from Mike Connor. Mike was also kind enough to order a German-made telescoping fly rod for me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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if there’s one extra person we could have there, bar none, it’d be you.  and if it helps, we’re all jealous of you 100% of the time.  let me quote (loosely) the great jimmy buffett: you got your pickup washed and you just got paid, with any luck at all you might even get laid, rockin and a rollin on a livingston saturday night. there’s that, the yellowstone, madison, gallatin, bighorn, and bridger bowl and big sky also. bruce h

        i’ll be damned if i don’t think i see some tar heel in you goddam cowboys!  good thinkin, and good talkin, bruce! your friend in the old north state wayno

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<snipped I’ll get tying some up for us. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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It is working again.

thanks warren, i thought i’d done something miraculous when the treads started coming up readable again. Wish I was able to make it.  I am getting really jealous right now.

if there’s one extra person we could have there, bar none, it’d be you.  and if it helps, we’re all jealous of you 100% of the time.  let me quote (loosely) the great jimmy buffett: you got your pickup washed and you just got paid, with any luck at all you might even get laid, rockin and a rollin on a livingston saturday night. there’s that, the yellowstone, madison, gallatin, bighorn, and bridger bowl and big sky also. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Let me know what size the grey ones are, and I’ll tie some up.

i’m not sure but i think they’re slightly larger.  use a tiemco 2488 size 24 and grey thread.  black thread for the rib and a crystal flash emerger wing.  black thread head. i bet we just see continued hatches of those tiny black midges, but who knows. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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I didn’t get your original post on my news server, I had to go to Deja to read it.

   I can’t get anything on the web today, just e-mail and newsgroups. Do you think Al Gore got so mad he turned off the internet?

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yes, absolutely.  100% tiny black midges as far as i could tell.  with that black midge, the hatch goes quickly and the fish don’t take emergers for very long.

I have some black midges that I tied for the Green earlier this year. I’ll remember to bring them for this trip. the other midge i see a lot is grey with a black rib.  when those bugs hatch it seems like the hatch lasts longer and that the fish really get going on emergers.  just a theory though.

Almost sounds like a Grey RS2.  What size? and i’m told there are many other common midge hatches up there, it just seems like i either see black ones or grey ones with the black rib.

Let me know what size the grey ones are, and I’ll tie some up. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Are they the tiny little black midges?

yes, absolutely.  100% tiny black midges as far as i could tell.  with that black midge, the hatch goes quickly and the fish don’t take emergers for very long. the other midge i see a lot is grey with a black rib.  when those bugs hatch it seems like the hatch lasts longer and that the fish really get going on emergers.  just a theory though. and i’m told there are many other common midge hatches up there, it just seems like i either see black ones or grey ones with the black rib. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Bruce, Thanks for the report. I didn’t get your original post on my news server, I had to go to Deja to read it. I’m hoping this spell of good weather we’re having lasts for the Juan get together. Willi

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Willi, I did not get the original post either.   Bruce, Awesome report. Thanks for the selfless act of doing some recon for our benefit. I am sure the other fellow clavers thank you as well. You said people were using dry flies.  Are they the tiny little black midges? bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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<excellent scouting report snipped 1.  I can’t get email right now, and i’m actually having trouble with deja.com – when i get into the newsgroup the posts aren’t grouped into threads and the latest posts are from 11/21.  If anyone can help me here, i’d appreciate it.  In the meantime, if you need to reach me, call me at work 800-776-5973.  (bruce hopper’s my full name).

It is working again.  They were doing some maintenence on Deja and that was why it pulled up the weird format for the newsgroups.  When it puts a ‘*’ in the search section it means they are doing some work on the system. always wears breathables, but i switched to neoprenes at lunch and i was much more comfy after that, except when i stepped in a little deep and felt that awful feeling of water inside the waders.

There is a product called Simmseal (sp?) that works wonders for leaky neoprenes.  It is a liquid neoprene and you just pour a drop on the leak, spread it around a little and let it set.  Very easy fix once you find the leak. Wish I was able to make it.  I am getting really jealous right now. — Warren Before you buy.

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I made it up to the SJ saturday to try to figure out where the fish are before everyone shows up.  Here’s a list of mostly unrelated observations: 1.  I can’t get email right now, and i’m actually having trouble with deja.com – when i get into the newsgroup the posts aren’t grouped into threads and the latest posts are from 11/21.  If anyone can help me here, i’d appreciate it.  In the meantime, if you need to reach me, call me at work 800-776-5973.  (bruce hopper’s my full name). 2.  It’s certainly tougher to see into the water with the sun so low, but when the fish are making rise forms, either taking emergers or dries, they’re easy to see.  I used several tricks to spot fish holding deeper, because sight fishing with nymphs is one of the most productive methods for me up there.  I stood on the bank, varied my angle, squinted, etc.  Early in the day, you can see into the water well from the north side of the river.  The rest of the day it help to face north and get the sun at your back. 3.  There was maybe 2.5 hrs during the day where the fish were taking dries.  I saw lots of fish on dries out in the current about 200 yards below texas hole – also a good place to get some water to yourself.  I caught fish by just putting emergers on the surface.  When i actually picked out a single fish and used a few different dry fly/tippet combos, all i got was refusals.  Tough customers. 4.  Knowing where the fish are is so important now, so i scouted the area right below the dam where the fish are known to be plentiful, large, and very selective.  They mostly take the tiny midge patterns close to the dam, although lots of folks fish leeches, worms, and eggs up there also.  I picked up only two fish there after lots of work. Both on size 24 red larva.  All day i landed 10 fish and that counts two smaller ones. 5.  Overall it was a bit of a frustrating day.  Ten fish isn’t bad, but i caught about 4 in the last half hour, nymphing deep in the main channel, blind casting where i knew there were fish.  It was cold all day and i dropped 4 or 5 flies before tying them on.  When you drop a size 24 ufo, don’t bother looking for it.  I’m one of those guys who always wears breathables, but i switched to neoprenes at lunch and i was much more comfy after that, except when i stepped in a little deep and felt that awful feeling of water inside the waders. 6.  I fish there a lot and i’ve got all the patterns and equipment, etc, but getting advice from me is a lot different than fishing with a guide.  For some reason they’ve just got it dialed in, and I think it’s mostly knowing where the fish are holding at that particular time. I’ve only fished with a guide four times up there, and each time i’ve caught far more fish than i would’ve on my own.  If anyone wants a guide for a day, i’d recommend Chris Guikema http://www.sanjuanworm.com – he is friendly and an excellent guide.  Craig at Float n Fish said he’d guide for this group (he knows we’re coming) and fishing with him would be a treat also.  Float n Fish has no website, but they can be reached at 505-632-5385 – Craig or Ray will usually answer the phone. 7.  The water was still clear, lake turnover hasn’t started yet.  Every day that goes by clear increases our chances of encountering cloudy water 8.  Something i’ve noticed lately:  Lots of guys enter the river carrying two rods, one set up for dries, one for nymphs.  At first i thought "give me a break" but when i think about it it makes some sense.  Lots of times i see fish surfacing so i quickly pull the yarn out of my leader and pop the indicator knot out and switch to emergers or a dry and by the time i’ve made the change, maybe three minutes, the fish aren’t rising any more.  So, i switch back to a deep rig and re rig and indicator (5 min) only to find the fish surfacing again. Either i’m real dumb (very likely) or these "two rod" guys have a good idea. I’m really looking forward to seeing/meeting everyone. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Agnes, The Sabana Resort (near Desaru) is easily reached by ferry from both Changi Point and Tanah Merah Jetty. I have friends residing in Spore coming over to visit me on Labour days. So, I have make some plans visiting Kota Tinggi area. Here are some of the suggestions: Mutiara Motor Resort in Sedili Kecil, very layback without tourist!! for kampung life. you can cycle, jungle trek, play pools or karaoke…. . A slow walk about in Kg. Sedili Besar, a sleepy fishing village opposite Kuala Sedili. Interesting sights will be ensured. http://www.mutiaramotors.com/html/resort/index_resort.html Also, Pulau Sibu/Tinggi is just a 2-3 hour trip from Kuala Sedili by boat. Check out this site for info : http://www.myoutdoor.com/ about Johor’s Islands nearby Mersing is quiet and beautiful too. I have been to most of the islands and so far has not disappointed me just yet. If you ever go , remember to bring lots of film. You will never regrets. It maybe a bit limited in choices of getting there though. Except Tioman Island. You may take the ferry from Tanah Merah Jetty, Spore and cruise to Berjaya Tioman for diving and romantic holiday. (4hrs) Fly/Drive to Kuala Trengganu, transfer to Merang pier and off to Redang for wonderful days in paradise. You can stay in Berjaya Redang, or the other hotel opposite Redang, Lang Tengah, Crystal clear water, white powdery sandy beaches and colourful fishes swing among the beauitful corals. Do a search in Yahoo, and you will find more than the above choices. If you need further info, do contact me. Good luck Provis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hey guess what, that’s my BF’s hometown!! ))) hmmmm thought tinggi is famous only for its waterfall?? why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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I was on koh Phi Phi in ‘94, and it was way overtouristed then.  It’s only going to be 6 years worse now. In ‘89 a friend and I needed to find an island fairly close to Bangkok (limited travel time) and went to Koh Si Chang, which was great in the sense that we saw no other white people while there–it seems to be a cross between people who live there and Thais who go for vacation.  If you want something a little less over-westernized, you might try that one. Then agian, that was 10 years ago…. -Doug Magnoli – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!" we had orginally targeted the southern islands like krabi and koh phi phi, but it seems that the monsoon season hits that area from May to October…..whereas for the islands in the gulf, the monsoon is from october to december…not that this really matters, coz there’s been thunderstorms almost daily in koh samui…. phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

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karl, you gotta know.. to some people, having a low paid but honest job is a disgrace… they’d rather be involved in some kinda corrupt bullshit and be a parasitic leech on the people… Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter! No, but what would be wrong if so ? Karl

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Has anyone stayed at Tradewinds on Chaweng Beach, Koh Samui?  Is it a recommended place? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2 years ago I stayed at the Coral Bay Resort with my family. It is a very nice resort. The food is superb and so is the service. The beach is however too shallow. But if you are satisfied with a swim in the pool the place is a very good choice. We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning. Have a nice trip!! Agnes skrev: hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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I’ve stayed at Chaweng Beach Resort (not sure if it’s the same as Chawend Beach Villa Resort). Paid additional for a room with sea-view – truth is, the block is facing the sea, but not my unit! Later, I found out only 1 unit faces the sea. Felt a little cheated. But Koh Samui is a nice, charming little island, with lots of very friendly people. You’ll enjoy it. Have fun!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter!

No, but what would be wrong if so ? Karl

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much better than phuket… at least you do not get accosted by the people trying to get you into their bars… nice beaches…. laidback as all heck… kinda nice place to go do nothing… yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm……

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Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl

Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter!

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  I spent two nights at High Coral Cove in March and then moved out.  The bathroom flooded while showering as the floor was sloped away from the drain, two of the lamps in the room didn’t work, lots of mosquitoes in the evening when sitting on the balcony, and the path lighting wasn’t very good at night. But as you said, good view and good snorkeling.   Not on my recommmended list.        Brewster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning.

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hey guess what, that’s my BF’s hometown!! ))) hmmmm thought tinggi is famous only for its waterfall?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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I read somewhere on the koh samet net (i think) that the prob with malaria has been cleared up, though the other "harmless" mosquitoes are still in full abundance – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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2 years ago I stayed at the Coral Bay Resort with my family. It is a very nice resort. The food is superb and so is the service. The beach is however too shallow. But if you are satisfied with a swim in the pool the place is a very good choice. We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning. Have a nice trip!! Agnes skrev: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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I was at Koh Samet at Vong Duen Beach on 9 & 10 March 2000. I was there before in october 1999. Then I had a beuatifull time. Now, there are a lot of new restaurants. But don’t go to the hotel-resort Sea Horse Bungelow. It was very, very bad now. A very poor maintenance and expensive for what you get. John joaquim schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around….. take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

I was there in August 1999 and there were not more mosquitos than in other places. Probably the situation has improved since 1993. — Alfred Molon To reply replace NOSPAM with csi

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I realise that the trip has been put on hold. I would like to say though that Koh Samui is an idyllic islands, and I do not see how any one can be disappointed with it. It has everything restaurants, top hotels, bungalows, amazing beaches, great night life etc. etc. http://www.asiatraveltips.com this will give you a wonderful idea of what it is like. I personally went to Samui January for three weeks and will return whenever I can it is a beautiful place. Please do reconsider Samui as an option. Kindest regards Steven * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

I was in Ko Phi Phi in 1992, and it was already overcrowded…figure out now, after The Beach!!! The problem with Phi Phi is that is really tiny and you can tour it walking in one hour so it gets a tourist zoo very easily. There are some beatiful and unspoilt islands near Phuket,  in the Phang-nga bay: their names are Ko Yao Yai and Ko Yao Noi, southernmost Ko Lanta is a good place. joaquim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm…… hua hin and trang sounded pretty good, but we’re more interested in isolated beaches cut off from the mainland, more in the likes of koh samet or koh chang….

why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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THE BOMOH wrote : Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home.

Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl

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 koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around…..

take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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hiya, i’d like to thank everyone who has posted or emailed their suggestions and comments to me…all your advice was of great help after hearing some negative reviews, we sort of re-considered whether to go to samui….we’re looking for a great place to hang out, with not too many tourists, and it’s disappointing to find out that samui is almost similar to phuket and pattaya…furthermore, samui is really accessible with a direct flight from singapore….. we then considered other islands like koh tao and koh phang-nan (too inaccesible), koh phi phi and koh lanta (bad weather then), koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around….. but then we checked the dates, and darn!!! our plans were messed up again….seems that 5 may is a public holiday, and it falls nicely on fri….that means that it’s gonna be a zoo everywhere during that weekend!!! it was with great sadness that we concluded we won’t be going to thailand this may sorry all!! but all the info is still useful, coz some of our other friends might be going, so we’d forward them all the info….thank you one and all!!! btw, the story has not been concluded yet ) we’d be checking out the malaysian islands instead ) no public holidays during that time, and it’s not yet full-blown tourist season yet, so should be great….we’d be posting another request for help should it be needed )) cheers, and have a great holiday !!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!"

we had orginally targeted the southern islands like krabi and koh phi phi, but it seems that the monsoon season hits that area from May to October…..whereas for the islands in the gulf, the monsoon is from october to december…not that this really matters, coz there’s been thunderstorms almost daily in koh samui…. phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

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Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place

yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm…… hua hin and trang sounded pretty good, but we’re more interested in isolated beaches cut off from the mainland, more in the likes of koh samet or koh chang….

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hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice?

Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place.

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Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place.

It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!"

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hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory  Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod,  6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867  Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end  . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer.  They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or  The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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I know what should be missing…….this thread from the —  The RodMaker(aka)  The Shadow……hehehe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing… Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory  Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod,  6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867  Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end  . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer.  They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or  The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks Greg

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Hi Gregory, That is known as tying on a ‘dropper’ fly.  I tie it on above the barb of the first fly, using the clinch knot, about 18" long.  There are other methods of tying on a dropper on the tippet above the terminal fly, but your instructor wanted to keep it simple.  And yes, it is a good idea to use a dropper at times.  Many times when fish won’t hit on top, they’ll go for the dropper.  I fish for bluegill with this method when they get a little sulky in the summer,  and again in the fall when topwater fishing slows down.  Some might call this ‘bobber fishin’, but don’t let that influence you. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

|I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing |the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. |It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the |end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks |Greg

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This is a common technique when fishing wet flies. A fly is tied to the end of the leader as usual and another is tied to what is called a dropper. This is usually made when tying the leader by extending one end of the blood knot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks Greg

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(good dropper advice snipped ) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

Frank, I know you are a smallie fan.  A #4 or #6 hair bug for the surface and a nymph or small streamer as a dropper tied in the manner you described makes a particularly deadly combination for smallmouth.  The fish may take either fly.  This also works on trout on larger waters and is particularly effective in faster water.  In the case of trout use a slightly smaler top bug and a size 14 or 16 nymph. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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You can add an additional fly by simply tying a length of tippet to the eye of the first fly. This is how I was taught on the San Juan. The first fly can be dry attractor ( serves as strike indicator) or other while the lower fly a nymph. Two nymphs regular technique on San Juan, at least for the guide I had. One warning, I am not sure two flies are legal on all waters. You should check before using this technique as ignorance of the rules will not necessarily get you off the hook so to speak. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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A good size brown beats them all. Just the take is enough for me, but the fight and all those minutes of wondering how big he really is. They just stick to the bottom with even, powerful pulls, just shy of breaking the leader. nothing beats this, Browns for me. kmustad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Proportionally speaking, pound for pound I’d vote for those itty bitty rainbow minnows. Yeah, I would vote for the junior rainbows as well.  You gotta love their acrobatics. Bruce….

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(Eric) writes: I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting trout, the Brook, Rainbow, or Brown….My vote goes to the Rainbow because they jump the most and fight the longest….but the browns also give up good fights and try to get under rocks and the sort…and hope you make the wrong move….Just curious to hear what other flyfishermen feel is the best fighting trout. Proportionally speaking, pound for pound I’d vote for those itty bitty rainbow minnows. You know, the ones that are only about twice as big as your fly.

The same ones that become ‘flying fish’ when you set the hook ? TimW

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I have heard that sea run cutt’s are very hard fighters when they first enter fresh water.  Cutt’s in the high lakes around here are poor fighters, generally, and susceptible to a relatively high mortality rate. TimW

Well conditioned sea-run cutts usually fight much like browns or brook trout; they tend to stay deep, pull hard and shake. They may jump a bit more However a fair number of fish become quite acrobatic and will also make good runs, making the reel scream. I have memories of a fair number of these that I took to be small coho. I remember one fish while working the spring time chum migration on the Harrison that body surfed down the wave of a boat wake to snatch my fly and promptly put in 5 or 6 consecutive jumps; sulked a bit then jumped a few more times. Ralph H

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(Eric) writes:   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly   I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting   trout:   Eric

Steelhead. OK, next question… -tgades

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 I’d vote for those itty bitty rainbow minnows. You know, the ones that are only about twice as big as your fly. The same ones that become ‘flying fish’ when you set the hook ?

I know what you mean, those little dudes I launch into the bushes behind me.  ZZZing!  Quite a surprise.  Poor fish, mindin’ his own bidness, when Bang! Zoom! to the moon! Anglerboy

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Mulberry–not the Marlboro, now–which is tied to imitate a–you got it–mulberry.  But these are hardly fair comparisons.  The best stripe

Gee Dave, I have never of the Mulberry hatch!  ;-) -Burton

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Both choices are wild rainbows: 1- summer steelhead.  Not like a winter fish. The turbos are spun up,they’re taken on lighter tackle, and you may be able to sight-fish with dries.

<<< Yeah, it can be real fun watching a finning steelie turn his head and take your fly.  The most incredible sight I have ever seen was this huge 20+ lb. steelhead rise to an October Caddis on the Siletz.  It looked totally incongrous.  That head looked like a basketball. 2- native redside.  I’ll never forget a 17" Deschutes fish that I would have thought was a steelhead, if I wasn’t after the lead fish in a pod of rising trout.  Incredible fight! <<<

I like those big 20-25 pounders.  I have yet to land one.  They fight so different.  You bring them in a couple of times, then they run back out twenty or thirty yds. then go nuts like a chicken with it’s head cut off.  Then they are gone! -Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rainbow, without a doubt.  They hit like a train, leap, make strong runs.  Brown and cutthroats are great bulldoggers, and I have seen browns make some good leaps.  Nothing touches the rainbow/steelhead though. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones I am mostly a eastern fisherman so I don’t know what to expect from western trout but years back I was fishing a tiny stream in Utah that was filled with rainbows of 7-9 inches ( the local flyshop wasn’t even aware of the fishery) and I never battled such feisty fish before as these guys.They just wouldn’t give up…..I landed about 1/2 of what I hooked…… They were absolutely amazing !                                                                                        Jody

It sounds like you need to visit the Pacific Northwest Jody!  You would get the battle of your like from some of our brutes. -Burton

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….but the browns also give up good fights and try to get under rocks and the sort…and hope you make the wrong move….Just curious to hear what other flyfishermen feel is the best fighting trout. Proportionally speaking, pound for pound I’d vote for those itty bitty rainbow minnows. You know, the ones that are only about twice as big as your fly. The same ones that become ‘flying fish’ when you set the hook ? TimW

Yes, they usually hit me in the face. If I open my mouth I can eat them right then! DJones

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(Eric) says: : : I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting : trout, the Brook, Rainbow, or Brown….My vote goes to the Rainbow : because they jump the most and fight the longest….but the browns : also give up good fights and try to get under rocks and the sort…and : hope you make the wrong move….Just curious to hear what other : flyfishermen feel is the best fighting trout. : : Eric : : my vote: : : 1) Gerard Strain Rainbows of Kootney Lake  BC; hands down : 2) Kamloops strain Rainbow of the South Interior of BC : : Gerard have the acrobatics and drive of any fish that swims plus : considerably more strength than any salmonid I’ve ever hooked; : including browns; various strains of cutts, Madison, Bow River and : Crowsnnest Rainbows; steelhead ; cohoe etc : : Kamloops fish combine great acrobatics and strength with are largely : insectorvious (sp) : I definitely second Eric’s vote.  The Kamloops trout is very widespread in Southeastern BC. and NE Washington State. – Keith

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The best fighting trout is the one you have on your line right now

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I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting trout, the Brook, Rainbow, or Brown….My vote goes to the Rainbow because they jump the most and fight the longest….but the browns also give up good fights and try to get under rocks and the sort…and hope you make the wrong move….Just curious to hear what other flyfishermen feel is the best fighting trout. Eric

I like Half-pounders on the lower Klamath river in Nor Cal and the lower Rogue river southern Oregon. These are small fall run steelhead, ocean going rainbow trout. They run 12 to 22 inches and are hot as a pistol. They are a great fly rod fish and there are less of them every year. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Proportionally speaking, pound for pound I’d vote for those itty bitty rainbow minnows.

Yeah, I would vote for the junior rainbows as well.  You gotta love their acrobatics. Bruce….

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All of the trouts and chars have periods when they are more aggressive and better fighters.  Get a pre-spawn brown or rainbow and you have a much better situation then these same fish at other times of the years. I have heard that sea run cutt’s are very hard fighters when they first enter fresh water.  Cutt’s in the high lakes around here are poor fighters, generally, and susceptible to a relatively high mortality rate. TimW I had the opportunity (and luck) to fish for skamania steelhead at Trail Creek this July.  These

fish were a fresh summer run strain from Lake Michigan, I don’t really know where the original brood stock came from but I think it was Wash.  They were absolutly incredible fighters, much better than "normal" strains of steelhead. Vince

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All of the trouts and chars have periods when they are more aggressive and better fighters.  Get a pre-spawn brown or rainbow and you have a much better situation then these same fish at other times of the years.   I have heard that sea run cutt’s are very hard fighters when they first enter fresh water.  Cutt’s in the high lakes around here are poor fighters, generally, and susceptible to a relatively high mortality rate. TimW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Eric, I think the rainbow is a real acrobatic fighter while the brown is more like a bull dog.  Also the cutthroat, the brookie, and the golden all vie with each other over which is the most beautiful that depending water and environment. My favorite trout happens to be the one that’s on the end of the line but I do have a bit of a preference for Mr. Brown Trout. My favorite fish on a fly rod would be a large white fish or carp from the side channel in the lower Yellowstone River. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting trout, the Brook, Rainbow, or Brown….My vote goes to the Rainbow I like Half-pounders on the lower Klamath river in Nor Cal and the lower Rogue river southern Oregon. These are small fall run steelhead, ocean going rainbow

Umm, yeah I forgot about the half-pounders!  They are little silver missiles.  Probably the friskiest fish I’ve ever had on.  The Rogue is a great river.  They are protecting them now. -Burton

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(Eric) writes: I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting trout, the Brook, Rainbow, or Brown….My vote goes to the Rainbow BTW–has anyone developed fly to imitate the fish-food-pellet hatch? It could float for a second then sink to the bottom where it would swell up DJones No, but I have seen some pretty novel approaches to "fly fishing".  On the

Metolius River I have seen a yellow Cheeto Fly and a white Bread-crumb Fly fished below the Allingham Bridge from which tourist types are prone to throw things in an effort to get a rise from a big fish.  It frequently works. -Burton

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I have heard that sea run cutt’s are very hard fighters when they first enter fresh water.  Cutt’s in the high lakes around TimW Yeah, the sea-run cutt’s are dynamite hear on the Oregon Coast.  However,

they have declined so bad it’s getting hard to find them.  I pick one up occasionally while targeting other fish.  They strike like it’s their last meal. Burton

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I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting trout, the Brook, Rainbow, or Brown….My vote goes to the Rainbow because they jump the most and fight the longest….but the browns also give up good fights and try to get under rocks and the sort…and hope you make the wrong move….Just curious to hear what other flyfishermen feel is the best fighting trout.

My preference is the rainbow, since I like fish that jump.  Brown’s give you a nice tug of war, but that’s about all.  Then best of all is the sea-run rainbow, the steelhead.  I have had hens that I swear could tailwalk on the water. -Burton

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I have heard that sea run cutt’s are very hard fighters when TimW I had the opportunity (and luck) to fish for skamania steelhead at Trail Creek this July.  These fish were a fresh summer run strain from Lake Michigan, I don’t really know where the original brood stock came from but I think it was Wash.  They were absolutly incredible fighters, much better than "normal" strains of steelhead. Vince Yup, nice fighting fish!  One of the better strains for flyfishing.  They

originally came from the Washougal in Washington, but now are all over the place including Peru. -Burton

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(Eric) writes: I was just wondering what everyone thought was the best fighting trout, the Brook, Rainbow, or Brown….My vote goes to the Rainbow because they jump the most and fight the longest….but the browns also give up good fights and try to get under rocks and the sort…and hope you make the wrong move….Just curious to hear what other flyfishermen feel is the best fighting trout.

Proportionally speaking, pound for pound I’d vote for those itty bitty rainbow minnows. You know, the ones that are only about twice as big as your fly. They can leap many times their own length out of the water and they run back and forth like their life depended on it. (Reminds me of my kid on too many snicker bars) And ya gotta hand it to them for their gusto going for that huge fly, it must look like a whole day

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   Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about : _where_ we tie our flies!  Have a permanent spot?  Or always breaking out : the stuff, then sweeping away bits of feather and tinsel?  Seen any : clever setups?  What’s the ideal way to store your stuff for ready access? : Enquiring flyfishers want to know!

I use a "Hackle Hutch" table top cabinet I ordered from the Bailey Fly Shop several years ago, but I’m not sure they still make it. For travelling, I use a D.B. Dun travelling case. I love ‘em both. Gary W. Godden/CO.

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       Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies!

    Before I became interested in fly fishing, I was a band director.  I had a     big drafting desk for charting marching drill.  It now serves as my fly     tying table.  I have, however, outgrown my cardboard box for my materials.     (ha)     Bob

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in response to:  Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies! I work at my desk at college.  I don’t have any "real" fly tying materials.  I just   use a pair of vise grips and a large book to set on one end to hold it steady.  i   kinda like seeing how little equipment I can get a way with.

Of course, it would be hard (for me) not to mention the infamous Bing Lemke.   Bing passed on several years ago, but there are several books which document his fly tying mastry.  Bing was most famous for the extended body, iwamasa winged may flies he tied . . . in sizes 32, 36 and 38 . . . without a vice!  A photo of Bing’s hands show them to be crusty, callosed, arthritic meat cleavers.  Yet, he was able to pinch the barb of a hook while he wove masterful flies.  He used no bobbin, just pulled a length of thread off a spool and twisted up the smallest, most authentic mayflies you ever saw.  Bing is a standard to be emulated.  I am continually humbled by his memory. Pete Morris

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 Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies!

For what it’s worth, I like working into a corner (two suspended counter tops at right angles) which makes it easier to hang a waste-basket right below the vice. I also keep an 18×18" blue poster board behind the vise, which reduces eye strain. Ear phones, jolt-cola and chew help keep the production level up too. —

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Wilkinson) writes: <flying tying desk I’ve managed to find happiness with the same Plano box your speak of, mated with a large drafting table. Just the right height, plenty of space. And onsidering the price ($25 at a garage sale), unbeatable. I’m thinking of adding on a cork bulletin board to hand flies on for drying, but can’t bring myself to put holes in the wall I just finished painting last year. JL 8-Wt Editor

I’ve been using an old hard side brief-case for years. It’s been getting pretty full resently. Got a place to mount a vice inside and sits on about any desk or in the car. My problem is, I’ve got kids. If I left the stuff out I know I would be removing hooks and cleaning up all the time. Regards, Marc Cozzi

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 Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies!

Well, up until this week I was tying at a small drafting table, with a home- made version of a tying table I saw in the Cabell’s catalog on top. I had laid out the original on a piece of cardboard, and rapidly came to the conclusion that the commercially available desks had WAY too little room for my taste! The one I made is 12" deep, 24" long, and has 14 pegs long enough for 3 spools of thread along the back. The arms are 3 inches wide, with two staggered rows of holes for tools…10 per side. Now, as I said, this was till this week… I’ve moved rooms now, and have a dedicated table in the basement, made from a spare closet door! 30" wide, and 6′6" long, with four 6′ shelves above it. I keep my materials in plastic shoe boxes (from the local $1 shop) on the shelves. I’m in heaven! <<grin — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios

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I currently have a large "Lid Locker" tackle box under my desk here at work. At lunch when the mood strikes me, I can set up and zip out several deceivers and Clouser minnows during my lunch hour. I really love the tackle box, plenty of room for my hook collection in the lid, and easy to get to. I do get the occasional funny look from passing workmates though, and sometimes I’ll hand in a report with fine feather down between the pages and cuttings of Krystal Flash, but it’s pretty much become my trademark around here… Kai

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:       Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about : _where_ we tie our flies!  Have a permanent spot?  Or always breaking out : the stuff, then sweeping away bits of feather and tinsel?  Seen any : clever setups?  What’s the ideal way to store your stuff for ready access? : Enquiring flyfishers want to know! Whoops, sorry Scott.  I hit reply instead of followup. Anyway, I use a foot locker (not military but it would work fine) that I modified by building two shallow trays that slip inside and adding outside corner moulding to the top to help keep materials on it when I use it as a tying surface.  It holds "almost" everything and is portable at least to motels and pickup camps.  It doubles as an end table in my office which is furnished about as "mix & match" as you could imagine, so it fits.  I’m pretty happy. Chuck

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: :     Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about : : _where_ we tie our flies!  Have a permanent spot?  Or always breaking out I tied commercially for awhile in my 13′ trailer out in the driveway by lantern.  I kinda liked it.  Now I have a desk that I built and all of my supplies in tupperware boxes that stack.  I built a shelf that is mounted to the wall that has holes in it for the tools (some go all the way through and some only about an inch).  Beats the kitchen table, but I must say that I managed to tie about a billion flies at the ol’ kitchen table, so I guess the moral is not to wait for the ideal setup, but start a’dubbin no matter where you be… Tim Walker

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I am a little late in reading my newsgroup, but if it’s not too late I would like the details of the tying desk. The club I am a member of has a design that is very cheap/inexpensive to build.

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I reverse engineered an almost perfect copy of the Orvis Portable oak tying table from the catalog picture.  Made it from furniture grade oak for about $50 total.  It could easily be made from plywood or laminate for a lot less.  It works great.  Anyone who wants details let me know.

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<flying tying desk I’ve managed to find happiness with the same Plano box your speak of, mated with a large drafting table. Just the right height, plenty of space. And onsidering the price ($25 at a garage sale), unbeatable. I’m thinking of adding on a cork bulletin board to hand flies on for drying, but can’t bring myself to put holes in the wall I just finished painting last year. JL 8-Wt Editor

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:       Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about : _where_ we tie our flies!  Have a permanent spot?  Or always breaking out <Scotts situation deleted I used to have to break out  equipment and you know I always forgot something. Then one day I arrived home to find the most horrible piece of furniture sitting enticingly under a large window with the westering sun streaming on to it’s laminated surface and what’s more it’s in the LIVING room (true dinks!). My SO (bless her cotton socks) had gone a purchased a $20 dollar desk from a junk shop. The living room placement has advantages and disadvantages:         – you can be sociable and still tie                 (although people like to look over your shoulder)         – She can always find you         – Pets like to help (especially the Cats)         – and you can keep an ear on the "game" and monitor the answering machine. With 4 large drawers for finished flies, hackles, fur and feathers and a pair of those plastic multi-drawer boxes and a small desk lamp – not quite paradise but good enough in the interim. Left covered in the detritus of a tying session the singular unattractiveness of the desk is almost hidden steve Melbourne, Australia

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   Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies!

A few years ago I chanced across an old, oak library cardfile.  It has 60 drawers and 3 pull-out leaves at mid-level.  Unlike most card files, this one’s drawers have solid bottoms and a recessed rod for holding the gizmo designed to keep the cards upright.  The drawers are just wide enough for a nice neck.  I picked this up for $200.  It is certainly not a piece of furniture for a newbie.  It’s big and heavy, but it is great to be able to organize everything. Glad I have a home office to keep this thing in! Pete Morris

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 Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies!

Still working at the dining room table, unfortunately.   However, The wife is looking for Xmas suggestions.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies!  Have a permanent spot?  Or always breaking out the stuff, then sweeping away bits of feather and tinsel?  Seen any clever setups?  What’s the ideal way to store your stuff for ready access? Enquiring flyfishers want to know!    Oh yes…we’re talking "budget" here, unless you know of a specially-made desk that worth the $$$!    I’ll start off by saying for months I’ve been searching for an ideal "on-the-road" fly tying kit…I finally found what works pretty darn well: a Plano "Phantom Pro" tackle box!  It’s one of the giant "BASSMASTER" kinds (made to hold 10,000 plugs ‘n spinners).  This particular model is good for fly tiers, though, because it has a spacious top compartment plenty big enough for your vise and all your hackle capes. Then, the front panel opens out, then slides _under_ the 4 compartment drawers…so it doesn’t get in the way when you set the whole thing on a table to tie.  Got mine for $40 at the local Sports Authority store.    Otherwise, I just found an old desk in the basement of our neighborhood church that the minister said I could have…it’s not very pretty, but looks great for tying!  It’s a "semi-rolltop," meaning it has two rolltop compartments on either side, with the usual cubbyholes and drawers in the middle.    A friend has a full-fledged rolltop, which is great for just hiding the whole mess when guests arrive!    What do YOU do? —      //\ Scott Wilkinson                           "No one suspects      \// Independent Documentary Producer         the days to be gods."      //\ Bethesda, Maryland      \// (301)229-4742                                —Emerson

I’m sorry, but I have the ultimate.  We have an extra bedroom in my house which I adopted as my office.  Pulled up the stupid carpet, re-finished the hardwood floor and re-painted the walls.  By one wall I have a big old steel military desk with my computer and work references.  On the opposite wall I have a 2.5′ x 8′ peice of hardwood veneer plywood stretched across 2 short file cabinets (Yes, I had to get a banister post to serve as a leg in the middle) to serve as my fly tying bench.  I have a small bookshelf on the desk for my fishing books, and all my materials are filed in shoe boxes by material, then color, in order across my fly desk.  I also have those hardware organiser drawer things for odds and ends.  Under the desk I have boxes of spare bird skins and other larger things, and in the closet hang my entire large animal hydes (currently deer and sheep).  The rest of the closet has my fishing bags and rod collection.  I never have to clean it up, I just shut the door to keep out kids (when they visit, I don’t have any yet myself).  I have a large area to work  too.  I like to invite friends over to tie with me, and there’s room for 2 people with vises to sit at this thing.  The best part is that I have a big oak and leather rolling chair in the middle.  When I work at the computer, I set the computer to do a long job, turn around and tie a fly.  Then when the computer is ready I work until the computer is stuck calculating another long function when I just swing around and tie another fly.  Never a wasted moment here.  I can just work for hours like this. . Sorry to brag.  Hope many others out there get something as nice or better. . Lenny Blokberg . .

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        Okay folks!  Just for grins, why don’t we all tell a little about _where_ we tie our flies!  Have a permanent spot?  Or always breaking out the stuff, then sweeping away bits of feather and tinsel?  Seen any clever setups?  What’s the ideal way to store your stuff for ready access? Enquiring flyfishers want to know!         Oh yes…we’re talking "budget" here, unless you know of a specially-made desk that worth the $$$!         I’ll start off by saying for months I’ve been searching for an ideal "on-the-road" fly tying kit…I finally found what works pretty darn well: a Plano "Phantom Pro" tackle box!  It’s one of the giant "BASSMASTER" kinds (made to hold 10,000 plugs ‘n spinners).  This particular model is good for fly tiers, though, because it has a spacious top compartment plenty big enough for your vise and all your hackle capes. Then, the front panel opens out, then slides _under_ the 4 compartment drawers…so it doesn’t get in the way when you set the whole thing on a table to tie.  Got mine for $40 at the local Sports Authority store.         Otherwise, I just found an old desk in the basement of our neighborhood church that the minister said I could have…it’s not very pretty, but looks great for tying!  It’s a "semi-rolltop," meaning it has two rolltop compartments on either side, with the usual cubbyholes and drawers in the middle.         A friend has a full-fledged rolltop, which is great for just hiding the whole mess when guests arrive!         What do YOU do? —      //\ Scott Wilkinson                           "No one suspects      \// Independent Documentary Producer         the days to be gods."      //\ Bethesda, Maryland      \// (301)229-4742                                —Emerson

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