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Padishar,    The term lure was used because it has a broader in meaning.  I stopped trying to determine the definition of "fly" long ago.  If you would care to give it a try go ahead. All I can say is all flies are lures, but not all lures are flies. Ernie "Padishar Creel" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ernie, I assume by the "lure" comment that this is not a true fly because of the glass beads Padishar Creel

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Ernie, I assume by the "lure" comment that this is not a true fly because of the glass beads?  If I tied the same thing with mylar piping, or wide floss, tensile chenille, or perhaps Ice yard would that be classed as a fly?  The reason I ask, is that one of the streams I use this pattern on is strictly a "fly fishing only stream".  That last thing I want to do is use a "lure"….

I don’t know why Ernie wrote "lure", but I can’t see why glass beads would disqualify this as a "true" fly. Glass beads are often used in flies, or strung onto the tippet in front of the fly. Aren’t all flies lures? The chamois nymph I’ve been touting for whitefish is something else. I’d call it "bait". — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw The definition in the dictionary of fly and fly fishing follows:  I don’t see any thing about glass beads. (I"m getting crotchety in my old age) Ernie fly 2 ( fl

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I went to a small creek nearby my home in central PA a couple of nights ago to continue my on the water "education" of fly fishing.  I had been to this same creek a couple of times recently and had success catching a few 10-12 inch brook trout (when I actually got my fly to go where I wanted it to!). I found a nice deep pool in this very small stream where a tree had fallen across the creek and caused a natural dam.  I could see several trout feeding there and hitting something on top so I started casting with a dry fly (Elk Hair Caddis, I think it’s called) and hooked a nice brook trout on my second or third cast. Being that the weather has been warm and the water level pretty low, I tried to bring the fish to hand as quickly as possible and don’t think I over played the trout at all.  I kept it mostly in the water to unhook it but it was a barbed hook and the trout was bleeding slightly from its lower jaw.  I got the hook out fairly quickly and made sure the trout was revived before letting it swim away…or so I thought. I kept fishing the hole for another ten or fifteen minutes and caught one more much smaller trout and released it.  Then I started to walk upstream to find another pool and I saw a shining gleam from the edge of the deep pool and realized that the first fish I caught was turned upside down in the hole and caught up on some debris and was in fact dying.  I didn’t have a net with me so I tried to get it with a stick to take it home but could not get it and stirred up so much muck that I lost sight of it. I move on but kept trying to figure out what must have gone wrong or what "rookie" mistake did I do to cause it to die. Is there a point where the water conditions just will not allow a trout to live if caught?  I don’t know what the water temp. was but I’m sure it was fairly warm (I am going to buy a stream thermometer but have not gotten one yet). Also, do most fly fisherman carry a creel just in case one dies during C&R? Please let me know if there is anything more I could have done to revive the trout.  BTW I am going to debarb my hooks from now on also. Tim

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I went to a small creek nearby my home in central PA a couple of nights ago

Tom – central PA has been hot and dry this spring.  Streams are low and warm. My educated guess would be water temperature – which lowers the oxygen content and on a stressed fish could well be fatal.    by the way, 10-12 inch brookies are good size for around here, so there are some nice fish in that stream. Mark Faulkner

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Hi Tim, There are several possibilities here. The first one is that it was just too warm, and the fish died because of combined stress and heat. It is best not to fish above certain temperatures, if you wish to release the fish, as the fish suffers  too much stress and often dies. Overplaying a fish will kill it as well. The other possibility is that it bled to death. Even a small hole in a fish which bleeds for a while will kill the fish fairly quickly. Fish do not have coagulating agents in their blood like mammals, and can not afford to lose much blood anyway. I have seen quite a few large Seatrout bleed to death quite quickly ( much less than half an hour in several cases ), after being released apparently unharmed. The probable cause of death was given as "blood depletion resulting in oxygen transfer  failure" by a laboratory which examined a couple of the dead fish.  In all the cases mentioned ( only two of the fish mentioned were actually examined by a professional lab), the hole left by the hook was fairly small, but obviously of a position and size sufficient to cause fatal blood loss. Several fish showed signs of distress fairly quickly, and only slight water staining ( blood ) was apparent from the mouth region when they were released. The fish mentioned were found fairly quickly at the pool outlets, and their gills were already looking a very unhealthy whitish pink colour, instead of the normal bright red. If a fish bleeds very much at all then you can write it off usually, it will not survive long. Surprisingly enough fish will often survive fairly major bodily injuries, like gashes from nets, or seals etc, especially in salt water, as long as they do not bleed too much. If they bleed however they are usually doomed. We catch quite a few fish which have been "stabbed" by herons, and they often survive this as long as they do not bleed from the gash, or are attacked by fungal or other parasites. Every year where I used to live in England we also had quite a few fish damaged by fungus etc, after being hooked and released. UDN was prevalent at the time, but this seemed to be a different sort of fungus, often originating at a hole caused by a hook, especially in the sides of the lower jaw, and also in many cases obviously by anglers handling fish with hot dry hands, the imprints left from this could be clearly seen on occasion. Has nothing to do with your problem of course, but I thought I would mention it anyway.  If you are going to handle fish, do so only with cool wet hands, and if possible avoid touching them at all, even slight damage to the protective slime will leave the fish open to disease etc. Rough dry nets are just as bad, knotted nylon being among the worst. If you fish catch and release it is easier to release fish if you use barbless hooks. Hope this helps. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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Tim,   It’s possible you caught a fish that had be caught and released earlier that day or previous night. Lot’s of really good flyfishers are working those streams in the Central PA area.   If you’re new to the sport, check out Flyfishers’ Paradise in State College. They provided me with alot of great advice, and I bought alot of first rate equipment and supplies from them. Good Luck

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Tim, If you saw any blood at all, the fish probably died from blood loss. I’m sure the high water temp didn’t help either. You need to get a stream thermometer. Personally, I won’t fish water above 70 deg if I don’t intend to keep what I catch, and if I notice any bleeding from a fish, I will kill it unless the reg’s prohibit it. George Adams

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Just like anyone else in this group that practices Catch and Release it is really bad to see something like that that.  That fish will not just float and rot away.  That fish will make an excellent meal for others in its food chain.  Wether it be another fish, a fox, Racoon, Bear, otter, ect.  That fish will not go to waste.  I am not saying when you fish not to use extreme care when practicing Catch and Release but sometimes a problem like such can and does happen. Tight Lines and Warm Barrels. Jeremiah Weed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tim, There are several possibilities here. The first one is that it was just too warm, and the fish died because of combined stress and heat. It is best not to fish above certain temperatures, if you wish to release the fish, as the fish suffers  too much stress and often dies. Overplaying a fish will kill it as well. The other possibility is that it bled to death. Even a small hole in a fish which bleeds for a while will kill the fish fairly quickly. Fish do not have coagulating agents in their blood like mammals, and can not afford to lose much blood anyway. I have seen quite a few large Seatrout bleed to death quite quickly ( much less than half an hour in several cases ), after being released apparently unharmed. The probable cause of death was given as "blood depletion resulting in oxygen transfer  failure" by a laboratory which examined a couple of the dead fish.  In all the cases mentioned ( only two of the fish mentioned were actually examined by a professional lab), the hole left by the hook was fairly small, but obviously of a position and size sufficient to cause fatal blood loss. Several fish showed signs of distress fairly quickly, and only slight water staining ( blood ) was apparent from the mouth region when they were released. The fish mentioned were found fairly quickly at the pool outlets, and their gills were already looking a very unhealthy whitish pink colour, instead of the normal bright red. If a fish bleeds very much at all then you can write it off usually, it will not survive long. Surprisingly enough fish will often survive fairly major bodily injuries, like gashes from nets, or seals etc, especially in salt water, as long as they do not bleed too much. If they bleed however they are usually doomed. We catch quite a few fish which have been "stabbed" by herons, and they often survive this as long as they do not bleed from the gash, or are attacked by fungal or other parasites. Every year where I used to live in England we also had quite a few fish damaged by fungus etc, after being hooked and released. UDN was prevalent at the time, but this seemed to be a different sort of fungus, often originating at a hole caused by a hook, especially in the sides of the lower jaw, and also in many cases obviously by anglers handling fish with hot dry hands, the imprints left from this could be clearly seen on occasion. Has nothing to do with your problem of course, but I thought I would mention it anyway.  If you are going to handle fish, do so only with cool wet hands, and if possible avoid touching them at all, even slight damage to the protective slime will leave the fish open to disease etc. Rough dry nets are just as bad, knotted nylon being among the worst. If you fish catch and release it is easier to release fish if you use barbless hooks. Hope this helps. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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One thing I have learned over the years is that if you hook a trout in the gills it will bleed to death so you might as well have it for dinner. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/

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The other possibility is that it bled to death. Even a small hole in a fish which bleeds for a while will kill the fish fairly quickly. Fish do not have coagulating agents in their blood like mammals, and can not afford to lose much blood anyway.

I agree with Mike on this one. In my experience, a bleeding fish ends up a dead fish. Nowadays, if a fish I catch bleeds, I don’t mess around: it gets whacked straight away. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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You’re right. Let’s not spend the money that might help rebuild their economy and let’s stay away out of respect for the dead. Jeez. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you guys for real? You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. — Colin Brown Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was

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says… Are you guys for real? You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. — Colin Brown

Colin, My initial reaction was similar to yours. After further contemplation, I decided that anyone who goes down there to fish is also going to be spending hard currency in an area that could use some right now. That is why I urge those fishermen (and anyone who can) to contact your local charitable organizations and send money/food/clothing now. They *really* do need it. –Wataugan Walt

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I was there last July fishing at Turneffe flats. We were trying for the Grand Slam. I highly recommend the lodge. I will be seeing the owner of the lodge in two weeks. I. like yourself am concerned about the damage and to the well being of the local guides I fished with and their familys. When I find out I’ll let you know.                                                                 Mark Heskett

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You’re right. Let’s not spend the money that might help rebuild their economy and let’s stay away out of respect for the dead. Jeez.

______ It is just a matter of time that American’s, in our own way, will begin turning tragedy into humor.  Out of chaos, we alway cheer the world up or ourselves because the pain is so great, the suffering inexpressiable, and so it goes.  But today, I called the Red Cross and made a donation to Mexico’s cause.  Its the least we can do for now. I think. THIS would be a good time for the Pope to make a visit just to help Mexico who needs him so, now.  The arms of the Catholic Church should enfold this nation and give comfort and spiritual support. Well . . . it sure would be nice to hear from them about now.

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_____ If the Pope will supply 100,000 loaves of bread I will supply the bone fish for him to feed his flock.

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In ______ It is just a matter of time that American’s, in our own way, will begin turning tragedy into humor.  Out of chaos, we alway cheer the world up or ourselves because the pain is so great, the suffering inexpressiable, and so it goes.  But today, I called the Red Cross and made a donation to Mexico’s cause.  Its the least we can do for now. I think. THIS would be a good time for the Pope to make a visit just to help Mexico who needs him so, now.  The arms of the Catholic Church should enfold this nation and give comfort and spiritual support. Well . . . it sure would be nice to hear from them about now.

bzzzzzttt, bzzzzzztttt, scrsssshhhhhhhh Earth to George… HONDURAS, NICARAGUA, & BELIZE. (and some southeastern parts of Mexico) aside from my sarcasm, many thanks for your contribution. They are in need of assistance. The death toll has climbed to over 10,000 with many thousands still unaccounted for. A MAJOR DISASTER. another aside, i know we have our differing opinions, but if you’re ever up here in god’s country, there is an open invite to you to join me and possibly wayno on a stream a’fishin’ for the brookies. –Wataugan Walt

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Hi: Looking to fish Belize next May, but I’m concerned about the damage that Mitch may have done.  I’ve been searching the net for information to guide my trip decision, but haven’t come up with anything. I normally go to Belize River Lodge, but I have the feeling that they may have been washed away (they are right on the river).  I was also considering Blue Horizon.  Anyone have any idea how things fared at these two places and if Mitch’s rath may have screwed up the waters into next year? Thanks. Adam

Hi Adam, I think they were pretty lucky in Belize. I am not really sure about total damage, but heard that El Pescador did OK. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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_____ If the Pope will supply 100,000 loaves of bread I will supply the bone fish for him to feed his flock.

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Hi.  I don’t know about the condition of the specific lodges you mentioned, but Belize in general suffered little damage from Mitch (when compared to what’s happening in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua). The fishing is great right now, especially in southern Belize.  Lots of snook, especially.  You may be able to get info on your lodges from the ambergriscaye hurricane page.  I can’t remember the URL, but if you go to our Website (http://www.kevinmodera.com) and click on "Ambergris Caye" info at the top of the homepage, you’ll be linked to their hurricane site.  They have lots of information from many locations in Belize.  Our site also includes information on conditions in southern Belize. Generally, we expect the Placencia area to be pretty much back to "normal" (whatever that means for Placencia), in another week or so. BTW, please, anybody that has the time, money or inclination, Central America needs help desperately.  A group of our local guides donated their time and money to buy and deliver food to Honduras a couple of days ago. They just got back last night and could not believe how horrible it really is in northern Honduras.  It’s still so wet that they were unable to light fires to cook the beans and rice for people, no one has anywhere to go, no one has any food.  It’s apparently worse even than it looks on television. — Mary Mary V. Toy                           Kevin Modera Guide Services Professional Guides for Tropical Anglers Placencia, Belize Voice and Fax:  (314) 776-3496 URL:  http://www.kevinmodera.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: Looking to fish Belize next May, but I’m concerned about the damage that Mitch may have done.  I’ve been searching the net for information to guide my trip decision, but haven’t come up with anything. I normally go to Belize River Lodge, but I have the feeling that they may have been washed away (they are right on the river).  I was also considering Blue Horizon.  Anyone have any idea how things fared at these two places and if Mitch’s rath may have screwed up the waters into next year? Thanks. Adam Hi Adam, I think they were pretty lucky in Belize. I am not really sure about total damage, but heard that El Pescador did OK. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Hi: Looking to fish Belize next May, but I’m concerned about the damage that Mitch may have done.  I’ve been searching the net for information to guide my trip decision, but haven’t come up with anything. I normally go to Belize River Lodge, but I have the feeling that they may have been washed away (they are right on the river).  I was also considering Blue Horizon.  Anyone have any idea how things fared at these two places and if Mitch’s rath may have screwed up the waters into next year? Thanks. Adam

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Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was

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Are you guys for real? You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. — Colin Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was

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you moron they’re just asking about damn fishing trips here. take your patsyism elsewhere — Nicholas J. Slodki

:Are you guys for real? : :You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re :worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. : : :– :Colin Brown : : : : Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was : : : :

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please E-mail me of you are selling a float tube at a fair price I live in the Vancouver Area B.C Canada

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please E-mail me of you are selling a float tube at a fair price I live in the Vancouver Area B.C Canada

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout.

An English side-by-side with a splinter fore end and a straight stock, only, and *only* over a pointing dog.   Waxing my Barbour coat and waiting for a call from my broker, David

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: Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about : people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Time to re-hash the stories about bat-casting….

i always practice C&R on them…and ouzels…not much meat on a bat, but the wings (I’ve heard) make excellent jerky. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto:  Your dues are due. P.S.  I’m going nuts.  I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

Hi Frank I’ve got some yellow Brazilian Velour that should make a great corn fly. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto:  Your dues are due. P.S.  I’m going nuts.  I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

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(Ehrenstrom) sez: DAY AND WEED-END TRIPS, INCLUDING REEF TRIPS AND… Don’t you mean "day and reefer"… after all, how d’you get a weed-end? — COD — "What ho, Mercutio"  [Wm Shaksper] — "What? Homer Simpson?!" [M Groening]

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this sounds like advertising…is it?

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: ANYONE INTERESTED IN TRYING OUT SAIL-KAYAKS IN THE KEYS, CONTACT US. WE : ARE A GOOD GROUP OF PADDLERS OUT OF MARATHON ORGANIZING DAY AND WEED-END : TRIPS, INCLUDING REEF TRIPS AND FULL MOON PADDLES. THERE IS EVEN THE : OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME GREAT FLY-FISHING ON THE MANY FLATS NEAR BY, AND : IT’S NOT UNUSUAL TO PADDLE WITH DOLPHINS. SO COME JOIN US IN THE SUNNY AND : WARM FLORIDA KEYS. I just love those "WEED-END" trips, myself. If it’s advertising, it obviously clueless advertising. —                              Stealth Paddler           "If you didn’t see me, it’s not because I wasn’t there!"                   "Gene Police!  You – Outta the Pool!"

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ANYONE INTERESTED IN TRYING OUT SAIL-KAYAKS IN THE KEYS, CONTACT US. WE ARE A GOOD GROUP OF PADDLERS OUT OF MARATHON ORGANIZING DAY AND WEED-END TRIPS, INCLUDING REEF TRIPS AND FULL MOON PADDLES. THERE IS EVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME GREAT FLY-FISHING ON THE MANY FLATS NEAR BY, AND IT’S NOT UNUSUAL TO PADDLE WITH DOLPHINS. SO COME JOIN US IN THE SUNNY AND WARM FLORIDA KEYS.

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Any Ideas on what’s hot and what’s not??  Please post them.  Thanks

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From what I’m told the Deerfield is one of the best rivers in the East for fly fishing. It’s up in North Western MA. Best points of entry along Route 2.

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  I want to know if there are any good flyfishing at good prices in Montana, Idaho, Orgen, and my state Washington.

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HI. i was just going to leave a message to the whole newsgroug about Montana Fly  Fishing at my Dude Ranch Hawley Mountain  near McLeod, Mt on the Boulder River. You can call 406-932-5791 or E-Mail me your address and I ll send you a Brochure. See my Message under GONE FISHING TO MONTANA. BBlewett

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: dblehaul asks, "what kind of fly line for fishing nymphs on the : bottom… : Use your floating line and a weighted nymp.   Add split shot if you need : it until you can feel it ticking on the bottom, or hang on the bottom : periodically.  Much better control than a sink tip in moving water for : nymphing. Ditto. This set-up has worked great here in Colorado.

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what type of line do you think would be best for fishing nymphs on the bottom (of a stream that is)..i was thinking about a fast sink tip where the first 15 feet sink..i won’t be fishing EXTREMELY deep water…any suggestions? Frankie

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dblehaul asks, "what kind of fly line for fishing nymphs on the

bottom… Use your floating line and a weighted nymp.   Add split shot if you need it until you can feel it ticking on the bottom, or hang on the bottom periodically.  Much better control than a sink tip in moving water for nymphing.

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You may want to take a look at a Teeny Nymph line.  Fantastic! Robert < Robert  <

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I agree wholeheartedly

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: what type of line do you think would be best for fishing nymphs on the : bottom (of a stream that is)..i was thinking about a fast sink tip where : the first 15 feet sink..i won’t be fishing EXTREMELY deep water…any : suggestions? : Frankie         I haven’t tried every line on the market, but I had a lot of success using the Teeny Lines. For your particular case I can mention two line types:                 – T series (T130-7200) for 5-8 Wt Lines. They have a long sinking Tip (maybe some 25 feet) and they sink extremely fast.                 – Mini Tip. This line uses a 5 feet sinking section allowing a good nymph fishing.         If the stream your are going after isn’t more than feet deep I suggest you use the Mini-Tip. Otherwise, I would highly recommend one of the T-Series Lines (for your situation I think the T-130 is better).         I just looked on my Dan Bailey’s Catalog and saw:                         T-130 : $49.95                         Mini-Tip : $47.95                                                 ( 209 West Park St.                                                   PO BOX 1019                                                   Livingston, Montana                                                   59047-1019  ) THANKS GOD FOR FLY FISHING!!!!                                         RODRIGO SANDOVAL

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I noticed a hat with mosquito netting draped over the face and neck, kind of like a beekeepers bonnet, in an REI catalog. Has anyone tried one of these hats?

Yes. They are fantastic.

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-bill "I hate the stench of insect repellent" faus Have you tried eating LOTS of garlic &/or vitamin B1 for awhile before your trip? They say if you’ve got it oozing out of your pores, the bugs won’t like it. Your friends will be another problem. —

I had a friend that used B1 – LOTS of it.  I don’t know what it does to the bugs, but it makes a GREAT people repellent!  We go out in the winter when the bugs are fewer, not gone, but fewer. Ted

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[headnets]  Yes!  They work.  They’re slightly annoying to wear, altho not as annoying as swarming mosquitoes or the dreaded black flies.  We took it a step farther.  My wife has made netting jackets, complete with hood, for us and our kids.  Leggin’s too, so we can wear shorts in heavy duty bug country.

        I’ve seen commercially made net jackets as well.  You’re supposed to soak the whole thing in DEET between wearings.  Probably best for stationary, high-bug activities like fishing.  I think Bean’s has them.

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I noticed a hat with mosquito netting draped over the face and neck, kind of like a beekeepers bonnet, in an REI catalog. Has anyone tried one of these hats?

        A lightweight approach to physical insect barriers is a plain headnet of no-se-um mesh (looks like a stuff sack, complete with neck drawcord;  about 1 oz. and $5 at Campmor and other places).  It helps to wear a hat underneath (any kind will do) to cover the top of the head and hold the netting away from the face.  Yes, it dims the view a bit, but it keeps the bugs away.  The only tricky part is eating.  ;-)         A caveat;  just because the bugs can’t get to you doesn’t mean they won’t try.  I tried to sleep once in headnet and bivy sack and was kept awake all night by the high-frequency buzzing in my ears.  Next time, I’ll remember my earplugs, but I did get some wonderful pictures of the dawn.  ;-) -bill "I hate the stench of insect repellent" faus

        Likewise.  I’ll almost always choose long clothing and headnet over sun block and bug repellent.

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So many people in the last few months have been recommending B-1 to ward off mosquitos in the last few months that I’m ready to try it, BUT no posting that I’ve seen yet has had *anything* to say about the question "How much is LOTS?" A common size that I’ve seen for B-1 only tablets is 100 mg, which is 6667% of the US RDA.  Does 100 mg/day qualify as LOTS?

        Yeah, I’d say that’d be sufficient!         I have used it in previous years, and it seems to work ok. Takes about a week to take effect though, and you have to remember to take it every day. It’s not foolproof, but does seem to cut into the population of bugs. EXPERIMENT!                                                         -Pat Salsbury

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I remember being eaten alive in the Wind River Range in Wyoming one spring, in spite of lashings of industrial-strength repellent. At least I had the pleasure of killing 10-20 mozzies in one swat! I met a grizzled old fellow who had been camping in the area for 50 years, and he was totally oblivious to the little monsters.

Name of Finis Mitchell, by any chance? Mitchell Peak in the Cirque of the Towers is named after him. I’ve met him too, totally oblivious to mosquitos feeding on his face, telling us about places around about. That was seven or eight years ago – I wonder if he’s still alive and hiking. He was getting up there… but he was in better shape than I.                                                         Jeff Winslow

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I noticed a hat with mosquito netting draped over the face and neck, kind of like a beekeepers bonnet, in an REI catalog. Has anyone tried one of these hats? Yes, I have used one in Alaska and in the Cascades.  They are hot, they interfere with vision, and are generally obnoxious.

I haven’t seen the REI version, but mine is coarser than no-see-um netting. Highly recommended. It is comfortable, doesn’t interfere w/vision (I find my self enjoying the scenery adequately, though prefer the bugless unimpeded world), and is a very welcome addition to the checklist. Perhaps the above poster is using too fine a mesh ? —

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Have you tried eating LOTS of garlic &/or vitamin B1 for awhile before your trip? They say if you’ve got it oozing out of your pores, the bugs won’t like it. Your friends will be another problem.

So many people in the last few months have been recommending B-1 to ward off mosquitos in the last few months that I’m ready to try it, BUT no posting that I’ve seen yet has had *anything* to say about the question "How much is LOTS?" A common size that I’ve seen for B-1 only tablets is 100 mg, which is 6667% of the US RDA.  Does 100 mg/day qualify as LOTS? More? Should I be choking it down by the wheelbarrow load? Can someone give me an order of magnitude here? Thanks!                                 — Dave Alexander — "When I was a little boy in Baltimore in 1954, I wanted  to be a juvenile delinquent when I grew up."                                 — John Waters

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|   Yes!  They [mosquito net hats] work.  They’re slightly annoying to | wear, altho not as annoying as swarming mosquitoes or the dreaded | black flies.  We took it a step farther.  My wife has made netting | jackets, complete with hood, for us and our kids.  Leggin’s too, so | we can wear shorts in heavy duty bug country. I found a simple way to keep the little buggers from biting through my shirt that doesn’t require any fancy sewing skills.  I got an athletic style mesh T-shirt (looks like it’s made of fine fish net) and I wear it underneath a normal long sleve shirt.  This holds the shirt away from my skin by ~1mm making it difficult for the skeeters to reach me. Works great so long as the temperature isn’t too high. —    Advanced Micro Devices       N5PSS    Austin, Texas                1-(512)-462-5389 "You can’t leap a chasm in two jumps."

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I noticed a hat with mosquito netting draped over the face…. Has anyone tried one of these hats?

My wife brought a couple of these from Canada to New Zealand. You look like a real twit, but at least your a happy twit. To my regret, peering through all that gauze makes fly-fishing impossible. She laughs, I suffer. -bill "I hate the stench of insect repellent" faus

Have you tried eating LOTS of garlic &/or vitamin B1 for awhile before your trip? They say if you’ve got it oozing out of your pores, the bugs won’t like it. Your friends will be another problem. —

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I noticed a hat with mosquito netting draped over the face and neck, kind of like a beekeepers bonnet, in an REI catalog. Has anyone tried one of these hats?

Yes, I have used one in Alaska and in the Cascades.  They are hot, they interfere with vision, and are generally obnoxious.  However they stop all the mosquitos, and also things like deer flies and black flies that aren’t impressed by DEET.  And save you from corroding your skin with noxious chemicals.  I still carry it whenever I go to particularly fierce bug country.                                 Chuck Smythe

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All this got me thinking though, how did people sleeping outdoors in the olden days keep the biting bugs away?  

I’ve heard of people in the old days smearing their skin with mud, but have never tried it as a bug repellent. I’ve also heard that you can develop an immunity to your local mosquitoes, so that you’d still get bitten, but not get as irritated as an outsider would. I remember being eaten alive in the Wind River Range in Wyoming one spring, in spite of lashings of industrial-strength repellent. At least I had the pleasure of killing 10-20 mozzies in one swat! I met a grizzled old fellow who had been camping in the area for 50 years, and he was totally oblivious to the little monsters. —

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I noticed a hat with mosquito netting draped over the face and neck, kind of like a beekeepers bonnet, in an REI catalog. Has anyone tried one of these hats?

  Yes!  They work.  They’re slightly annoying to wear, altho not as annoying as swarming mosquitoes or the dreaded black flies.  We took it a step farther.  My wife has made netting jackets, complete with hood, for us and our kids.  Leggin’s too, so we can wear shorts in heavy duty bug country. -bill "I hate the stench of insect repellent" faus

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On a related subject, I noticed a hat with mosquito netting draped over the face and neck, kind of like a beekeepers bonnet, in an REI catalog. Has anyone tried one of these hats? -bill "I hate the stench of insect repellent" faus

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Jeff Haferman  how did people sleeping outdoors in Jeff Haferman  the olden days keep the biting bugs away? Before the invention of Avon Skin-So-Soft, the ultimate mosquito repellent, we smeared our skin with a mixture of bison grease and wood ashes.  We also migrated from the bug infested banks of the Great Water to higher, dryer ground during the worst of the mosquito season.

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All this got me thinking though, how did people sleeping outdoors in the olden days keep the biting bugs away?  

They only bathed once a month.

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All this got me thinking though, how did people sleeping outdoors in the olden days keep the biting bugs away?  

Not wash for months at a time?

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I slept beneath the stars on the banks of the Mississippi this weekend, and it was beautiful, with 1 exception – I neglected to bring any mosquito repellent.  I covered my head with a thick sweater and this worked pretty well except I would get too hot and have to remove it. Sleeping near the campfire worked pretty well too since the smoke seemed to keep the bugs away. All this got me thinking though, how did people sleeping outdoors in the olden days keep the biting bugs away?   Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Iowa Iowa City IA  52240

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