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Sounds like you finally made enough to bribe the Sheriff. Unka Bob

I’ll tell you one thing Unka.  I’d kill to fly that damn RV-3 of yours.  I have the "Hold Not Responsible/Release of Liability" document signed and notarized in my grubby little paw right now. Grandpa says it’s good (you know, Boom Boom’s dad…my main lawyer). Vito Lanuti (Boom Boom’s brother…my second in command lawyer) liked it too.  Didn’t change one word.  It says if I wreck it, my estate is to pay you your purchase price for it (plus your expenses for travel to pick it up and your time) and take possession of the wreckage.  So, you get paid off in cash if I crash it. I intended to go to Arlington and will be very unhappy on Friday that I’m not there….BUT, I’m going fishing in Utah on Friday , so I will have some fun. BWB

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The intrepid members of the Noon Patrol arrived at Arlington at 11:00 AM on Wednesday and by Noon had set up the Nieuport 11 fuselage with VW engine for display.  (Note to DS:  We used losts of Dcut tape).  We put a brief summary of our project and a couple dozen 8×10 photos on a bulletin board.  Then we sat in the shade under our official Noon Patrol awning and had cold drinks while we watched the crowd. By 5:00 PM today we had had several hundred visitors with comments and questions.  The comments ranged from "I wish I lived in Independence, OR" to "You guys are nuts."  The questions were usually "Do you guys know that lunatic that writes about the Dawn Patrol in Kitplanes?"  We always answered that "Dick Starks is to blame for everything."   – John Ousterhout, Mike Pongracz, Ernie Moreno, Dave Ruddiman, and Clay Kesterson –   – The Noon Patrol, EAA Chapter 292, Independence, OR   – http://www.teleport.com/~medlock/ Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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The Noon Patrol display at Arlington was a great success. Interest was very high as thousands — even a few of the rah ilk — took a close look at our fuselage and engine.  It should be very exciting next year when we fly 14 Nieuports to Arlington.   http://www.teleport.com/~medlock/noon_patrol/jul_00/before.jpg   http://www.teleport.com/~medlock/noon_patrol/jul_00/after.jpg http://www.teleport.com/~medlock/noon_patrol/jul_00/mike_and_john jpg We believe that we qualified for the dead grass award. We met a few other Niuport builders too.  Everyone wanted to know if Dick Starks is really as crazy as he seems in Kitplanes.  We told them that he’s far crazier than that.  After all, Dick’s our inspiration.  - John Ousterhout –   The Noon Patrol – 14 Nieuport 11’s under construction   EAA Chapter 292, Indepencence, OR   http://www.teleport.com/~medlock/ Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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The Noon Patrol will have a Nieuport 11 fuselage with VW engine on display at the EAA Arlington, WA Fly-In on the 6th, 7th and 8th. The Noon Patrol are 13 EAA Chapter 292 members who are building 14 Nieuport 11 replicas in the Independence Airplane Factory – formerly the EAA Chapter 292 hangar.  These are the 7/8 scale planes designed by Graham Lee and made famous by the antics reported in Kitplanes Magazine by Dick Starks and the Kansas City Dawn Patrol. At present the group owns all the airplanes.  When ready for paint, members will draw lots for the aircraft.  One plane will be sold at auction to raise money for EAA Chapter 292. Come by and take a look at our work so far and meet some of the maniacs who are building 14 Niuuports 11’s.  Feel free to insult us.  We know we’re crazy, but this is so much fun that we’re not sure that it’s legal. Not a week goes by that my Spousal Unit doesn’t say "Damn that Dick Starks!"   – John Ousterhout –   EAA Chapter 292   Independence, OR   http://www.teleport.com/~medlock/ Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Oyterhouse.  Don’t get too comfy thinking about that bed upstairs at Ant Eater’s.  I may decide to fly the RV up there on Thursday just to screw with you all.  I had some good luck this week and made a dollar three forty…so I can afford to come.  It’s now a matter of the time. BWb

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John H Ousterhout announced: The Noon Patrol will have a Nieuport 11 fuselage with VW engine on display at the EAA Arlington, WA Fly-In on the 6th, 7th and 8th.

Wish I could get there. However, at the moment I’m even more interested in the Independence Flyer.  As of a week or so ago, it had been nearly six months since the project report on the Web site had been updated.  Any idea what’s been going on with it? Oh, and what are they going to do with the Gypsy?  There was some talk about selling it off.  (Not that it will do me any good way out here in New Hampshire.) Many thanks. Owen Davies

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The chapter 292 Webmaster is a lazy toad.  Someone needs to kick his ass and get him to update the web page section about the Independence Flyer. The Independence Flyer project was badly hurt when several members defected to the Nieuport 11 project.  However the Ultralight project contines, although at a slower pace. Our half-VW engine is running well on a stand.  The fuselage is complete and on the gear.  Tail feathers are complete as well. Wing construction is to start soon. Many of us do not want to sell the Gypsy,  We may hang it from the ceiling of our chapter hangar as a static display.  Others believe that it should be flying and are willing to sell it to a good home.  It is awfully cute.   – John Ousterhout –   EAA Chapter 292 Webmaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John H Ousterhout announced: The Noon Patrol will have a Nieuport 11 fuselage with VW engine on display at the EAA Arlington, WA Fly-In on the 6th, 7th and 8th. Wish I could get there. However, at the moment I’m even more interested in the Independence Flyer.  As of a week or so ago, it had been nearly six months since the project report on the Web site had been updated.  Any idea what’s been going on with it? Oh, and what are they going to do with the Gypsy?  There was some talk about selling it off.  (Not that it will do me any good way out here in New Hampshire.) Many thanks. Owen Davies

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I’m going to be there first to claim the bed.  You can sleep on the floor in the garage. If you do show up do you think anyone will give you a ride from Arlington to Ampmeters house? I’m sure your good buddy Zoom will be thrilled if you show up. He may be the only one that is. – John Ousterhout – P.S.  It was you my wife mentioned by name when she brought home the case of Arrogant Bastard Ale! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oyterhouse.  Don’t get too comfy thinking about that bed upstairs at Ant Eater’s.  I may decide to fly the RV up there on Thursday just to screw with you all.  I had some good luck this week and made a dollar three forty…so I can afford to come.  It’s now a matter of the time. BWb

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Oyterhouse.  Don’t get too comfy thinking about that bed upstairs at Ant Eater’s.  I may decide to fly the RV up there on Thursday just to screw with you all.  I had some good luck this week and made a dollar three forty…so I can afford to come.  It’s now a matter of the time. BWb

Sounds like you finally made enough to bribe the Sheriff. Unka Bob

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Sounds like you finally made enough to bribe the Sheriff. Unka Bob

It’s not bribery, it’s soft money political campaign contributions. Tom " election year" Cooper

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Among other interesting comments, John H Ousterhout noted: Many of us do not want to sell the Gypsy,  We may hang it from the ceiling of our chapter hangar as a static display.  Others believe that it should be flying and are willing to sell it to a good home.  It is awfully cute.

I’d be sorely tempted to buy it (at a good enough price, of course) if it didn’t mean crossing the country at something slower than the average wind velocity.  It is awfully cute.  Those comments about what a nice flyer it is piqued my curiosity, too. Thanks for the info. Owen Davies

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    hehehe,,,,,,                                     Scrappman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think there’s any room left in the tub: http://www.cyberis.net/~jouster/gallery/hi_bill.jpg – J.O.- P.S. Have you learned to fly straight yet?    What about the hot tub party on Sat. night? Keeping that one to your self, John?                                        Scrappman Arlington Washington — The Northwest EAA Fly-In and Airshow – Wed. July 11 through Sun. July 15. The Noon Patrol will exhibit a Nieuport 11 aircraft that is almost complete — at the "90% complete and 90% remaining" stage. Members of the Noon Patrol will speak about the team process of building aircraft in the Main forum tent at Noon on Saturday. Stop by our exhibit and say hi.  I hope to see you all at the rah barbecue on Friday.   John Ousterhout   The Noon Patrol – 14 Nieuport 11 replicas under construction   EAA Chapter 292, Independence, OR   http://www.fly.to/eaa292

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Arlington Washington — The Northwest EAA Fly-In and Airshow – Wed. July 11 through Sun. July 15. The Noon Patrol will exhibit a Nieuport 11 aircraft that is almost complete — at the "90% complete and 90% remaining" stage. Members of the Noon Patrol will speak about the team process of building aircraft in the Main forum tent at Noon on Saturday. Stop by our exhibit and say hi.  I hope to see you all at the rah barbecue on Friday.   John Ousterhout   The Noon Patrol – 14 Nieuport 11 replicas under construction   EAA Chapter 292, Independence, OR   http://www.fly.to/eaa292

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    What about the hot tub party on Sat. night? Keeping that one to your self, John?                                         Scrappman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Arlington Washington — The Northwest EAA Fly-In and Airshow – Wed. July 11 through Sun. July 15. The Noon Patrol will exhibit a Nieuport 11 aircraft that is almost complete — at the "90% complete and 90% remaining" stage. Members of the Noon Patrol will speak about the team process of building aircraft in the Main forum tent at Noon on Saturday. Stop by our exhibit and say hi.  I hope to see you all at the rah barbecue on Friday.   John Ousterhout   The Noon Patrol – 14 Nieuport 11 replicas under construction   EAA Chapter 292, Independence, OR   http://www.fly.to/eaa292

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I don’t think there’s any room left in the tub: http://www.cyberis.net/~jouster/gallery/hi_bill.jpg – J.O.- P.S. Have you learned to fly straight yet? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    What about the hot tub party on Sat. night? Keeping that one to your self, John?                                        Scrappman Arlington Washington — The Northwest EAA Fly-In and Airshow – Wed. July 11 through Sun. July 15. The Noon Patrol will exhibit a Nieuport 11 aircraft that is almost complete — at the "90% complete and 90% remaining" stage. Members of the Noon Patrol will speak about the team process of building aircraft in the Main forum tent at Noon on Saturday. Stop by our exhibit and say hi.  I hope to see you all at the rah barbecue on Friday.   John Ousterhout   The Noon Patrol – 14 Nieuport 11 replicas under construction   EAA Chapter 292, Independence, OR   http://www.fly.to/eaa292

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Done that for bass.  Clear lake in norther California has vast fields of tulies and that is about the only way to fish them. We would use the same tackle we used for  Poke Poling – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff This technique is known as "Doodel Socking",  or simply "Doodeling". For more info have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part11.html TL MC

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abcpicts wrote I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.  …..

Funny you should mention this.  Our club speaker this month was an interesting ol’ character named Harry Smith who uses a very similar technique to illicit frenzied response from bass. His fly is a hookless bird pattern about the size of a baby bird.  He simply ties the birdfly to a short (3-4") spring loaded leader that is tied directly to the rod tip….No reel!.  Harry gets into the weeds and begins dabbling the little birdie here and there until he gets the attention of one or more bass and then the fun begins. The video footage he presented is absolutely amazing!  The fish grab the fly, take it down, eventually let it go….then come back for more.  Harry claims several hundred strikes in an hour.  It’s amazing that the fish keep after the pattern in spite of their lack of success in acquiring any protein from the effort. —                                                       -dnc-

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I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

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There is a version of fly fishing practised in the UK called "dapping". It involves the use of a long rod, a light line and a fine leader. The rod is fished down wind from a boat and the wind bounces the fly from wave to wave. This sounds  like the word you need. Although, your description does not sound like fly fishing in the traditional sense.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

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bug-dunkin — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

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I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

This technique is known as "Doodel Socking",  or simply "Doodeling". For more info have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part11.html TL MC

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There is a version of fly fishing practised in the UK called "dapping". It involves the use of a long rod, a light line and a fine leader.

My understanding is that dapping isn’t usually done with a fine tippet. After all, the tippet isn’t supposed to get into the water. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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<SNIP My understanding is that dapping isn’t usually done with a fine tippet. After all, the tippet isn’t supposed to get into the water.

Your understanding is correct. Using too fine a leader is a serious mistake when dapping. I have never used anything less than eight pound mono. Dapping tends to attract large fish. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/jbedit0699.html http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/jbedit0900.html http://www.amazingoutdoors.com/0,2010,S74-P166-A7436-TA,00.html http://www.masterflyfishing.com/tactics/nymphs/page4.htm http://www.actravel.co.uk/shannon.html http://www.irishfieldsports.com/newpage64.htm You might find these interesting as well; http://www.flymail.com/graphcat/dapping.html TL MC

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Doodling is indeed the word. Large crank baits are used for bass and flies for bream and warmouth. Fish are not lifted from the water but retrieved hand over hand. a cane pole works well. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff This technique is known as "Doodel Socking",  or simply "Doodeling". For more info have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part11.html TL MC

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After checking one of my old American books, I found another name for the technique you describe.  It is called "Jiggerpoling".  Much the same as "Doodling" but a plug, bacon rind, frog, etc or similar is used.  A search on "jiggerpoling" turned up these; http://www.gcomag.com/052k/jiggerpole.htm http://www.edersfishing.com/fresh/publication/2000/june/Jiggerploes/d…. cfm Very interesting. TL MC

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I am wondering what type of experiences people have had fishing smallmouth in the Quetico in early September.  We have a group who has gone on several spring trips thinking about a fall trip.  Several of us are fly fishermen, so in particular, I’m wondering if the fish use shallow areas this time of year or if they begin to go deep. Thanks Peter Jonas Iron Mountain, MI

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I am wondering what type of experiences people have had fishing smallmouth in the Quetico in early September.  We have a group who has gone on several spring trips thinking about a fall trip.  Several of us are fly fishermen, so in particular, I’m wondering if the fish use shallow areas this time of year or if they begin to go deep.

        They are still deep in early Sept. Don’t forget they don’t care about the air temp., they care about the water temp. And by the end of Aug. the water is as warm there as it gets. Mornings and evenings might still be okay though. But otherwise think late Sept., early Oct. tgb

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Congratulations Dave

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BTW: When replying to Codmarines posts we should use something other than "[snip]" to indicate we shortened the message

Auuuughhh! — Michael Era

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I would like to publicly apologize for slandering and libeling Jump Tarpon in my previous post. NO, I have never fished with him. Nor do I know him personally.Nor have I ever talked to any person that has fished with him. However, I understand he is a great guide with a loyal following, and a great site at www.flyfishing.keywest I picked his web site at random – intent on making someones life more miserable than my own. I confess, after suffering from penial envy for most of my life, I am jealous! At forty-three, I should not be living with my mother. But, life is cruel and I need to focus on changing my wardrobe from lace panties and lurking in shadows to facing the real world as a man. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I would <snipped

this is the most gawdamnest advertising strategy i’ve ever seen. lines & business pretty slack in the keys, eh? –waldo

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What kind of fuzzy logic is this piece of SPAM? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to publicly apologize for slandering and libeling Jump Tarpon in my previous post. NO, I have never fished with him. Nor do I know him personally.Nor have I ever talked to any person that has fished with him. However, I understand he is a great guide with a loyal following, and a great site at www.flyfishing.keywest I picked his web site at random – intent on making someones life more miserable than my own. I confess, after suffering from penial envy for most of my life, I am jealous! At forty-three, I should not be living with my mother. But, life is cruel and I need to focus on changing my wardrobe from lace panties and lurking in shadows to facing the real world as a man. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Ditto!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to publicly apologize for slandering and libeling Jump Tarpon in my previous post. NO, I have never fished with him. Nor do I know him personally.Nor have I ever talked to any person that has fished with him. However, I understand he is a great guide with a loyal following, and a great site at www.flyfishing.keywest I picked his web site at random – intent on making someones life more miserable than my own. I confess, after suffering from penial envy for most of my life, I am jealous! At forty-three, I should not be living with my mother. But, life is cruel and I need to focus on changing my wardrobe from lace panties and lurking in shadows to facing the real world as a man. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I think he’s trying to sell lace panties to fisherman. In that case, I’ll take two. Chris Fleitman Fisherman by nature-goofball by society.

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Funny that, I didn’t even bother to read the original post but I’m lost – especially about the bizarre ones that follow this directly –  frodo etc. Sorry chaps (actually I think you ,frodo jump tarpon et al] are really all the same one) but your strategy is so odd and obtuse that I couldn’t care less what you say about each other, or is that about yourself?  You are confusing me with someone who gives a damn! Right on Ernie and Walt!! DBJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to publicly apologize for slandering and libeling Jump Tarpon in my previous post. NO, I have never fished with him. Nor do I know him personally.Nor have I ever talked to any person that has fished with him. However, I understand he is a great guide with a loyal following, and a great site at www.flyfishing.keywest I picked his web site at random – intent on making someones life more miserable than my own. I confess, after suffering from penial envy for most of my life, I am jealous! At forty-three, I should not be living with my mother. But, life is cruel and I need to focus on changing my wardrobe from lace panties and lurking in shadows to facing the real world as a man. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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What kind of fuzzy logic is this piece of SPAM?

I think maybe it’s a setup for an ad for lace panties, in which case I suggest we do everything to encourage further posts.  Always wondered what they felt like.

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What kind of fuzzy logic is this piece of SPAM? I think maybe it’s a setup for an ad for lace panties, in which case I suggest we do everything to encourage further posts.  Always wondered what they felt like.

Ask TimBone ;^)

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I think maybe it’s a setup for an ad for lace panties, in which case I suggest we do everything to encourage further posts.  Always wondered what they felt like. Ask TimBone ;^)

Ouch!  That was hard!  God I love this place! W

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Please, The nickname is the only REQUIRED field (Which can be anything you want).  The rest of the fields are for Identification only and only if you WANT to put them in there. I hate spammers as much as the next guy and report every instance of unsolicited e-mail I receive. Hope this clears this up David. Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster Why do you want real names and e-mail addresses? Why not just a nick? Do I smell spam? Regards, DAO

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Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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Try this link. It’s Java type chat but there is also access using an IRC chat program. Seems like Wednesday and Thursday evenings are popular. Last time I was there I counted about 10 ultralighters chatting. http://www.mgge-inc.com/fly-ul/ — Brad Blackburn (replace "spur" with "net" to reply) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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Only good if your browser is java equipped

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Right!  Sorry, I shoulda mentioned that. Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster     Only good if your browser is java equipped

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Thanks, I don’t have Java. Maybe I need to upgrade. George

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there is http://ul-flyer.com/ewchat.html walt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster

Why do you want real names and e-mail addresses? Why not just a nick? Do I smell spam? Regards, DAO

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject. Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

   Its funny that you talk about the h & l variant as i call it because out here in Colorado it’s a very popular fly.  in fact it’s one of my favorite to tie and fish.  I didn’t know the history behind it and that’s very interesting. fly patterns are very interesting and sometimes entertaining to hear the stories behing them and the way their popularity changes over time.

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It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I

Quite possibly every new pattern that aims at exact imitation starts as a "regional" pattern, so far as what it imitates lives in some places and not others.  E.g. cress bugs were invented by Pennsylvania tyers for Pennsylvania streams, even though you can find crustacea everywhere that look like them. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I am going to have 3 or 4 days in No. Ark/So. Mo to kill in mid June.   Can anyone recomend a guide service?  Hope to find some big browns! Thanks, KNACK Whitehouse, TX

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Check with Dale Fulton at Blue Ribbon Flies in Mountain Home, Ark. Also, check out Andy McMinn’s Arkansas fly fishing page at: http://kanweb.com/fly/ It’s full of information. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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I am going to have 3 or 4 days in No. Ark/So. Mo to kill in mid June.

Sandra,         Used to guide in Ark.   Here’s a list of guides and phone numbers that will give you the best available in that area. SHOPS:           Blue Ribbon Flies – Dale Fulton – (501)or(870) 425-0447         P.J.’s Resort (501) 499-7500         Wapsi Fly (a wholesaler) – ask for T.L. – (501) 425-9500 GUIDES:         John Gulley 501-499-7517         Bob Snyder      499-4287         Dwayne Hada     452-3559 (The Woodsman – Ft. Smith)         Sandra, the best way to be assured of catching large browns is to night fish, since they are primarily nocturnal feeders. Be sure to have plenty of Gink for your large dries and Xink for the huge nymphs required for those record browns.          John Gulley is a pro at night fishing and can definitely put you on some big fish if the time  is right when you go up there.  Be sure to ask about water conditions and generating schedules for that time of year when you call.  I’ve know and fished with John since the mid 70’s but have been out of contact with him for about ten years.  John, a seasoned guide, is rather drole and deliberate in his manner.         Dwayne Hada, also a personal friend of mine, guides all over that area.  I don’t know about Dwayne’s experience with brown trout per-se’. However, Dwayne, a former high school art teacher, is very personable and well mannered. Have Fun – Wendell Hise Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Gink keeps it up – Xink puts it down!

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Howdy I’ll be moving to Sping Lake N.J. in mid Oct. from southern Alberta where I’ve become quite fond of spectacular fishing. Anyone have a suggestion of where i can continue to get my fix? My e-mail is only go until Oct.7 Thank ya all, Cheers.

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As one resident said last year… the besst fly fishing in NJ is in PA and NY.  But Spring Lake in on the coast, and the other resident didn’t ply the salt.  Great runs of of blues are in the offing.  Check any of the local tackle shops.  Fresh water is mostly up north and west.  Shad and stripers run the Delaware regularly.  Trout are mostly stocked, so listen to the original advise and head to PA and the NY Catskills.  There is a NJ fishing home page, and if you can scroll back into this groups archives it’ll be listed . good luck from Long Island jg

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writes: I am an advanced beginner fresh and saltwater flyfisherman. I will be in Miami in late May and was thinking of going tarpon fishing. However, as I can’t do a double-haul cast ….

Steve, You should practice the double haul before going. It’s not that hard. If you can do a single haul (which comes naturally after a couple of years of freshwater flyfishing), you can master the double haul. Despite the very complicated way that Mel K. and others try to explain the double haul, it really just comes down to this … shoot line on your back cast. It just takes a little up-down tug (about 6 inches) immediately after you lift the line from the water … move the line (tug) hand back with the rod hand … and give a forward tug (haul) after the line shoots on the back cast. YOU CAN DO IT. See Lefty Kreh’s or Ed Jaworowoski’s books on casting — they are the best. The doublke haul is essential for successful saltwater casting (especially into the wind). Hope this helps. Cordially, Rochester, NY  

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I am an advanced beginner fresh and saltwater flyfisherman. I will be in Miami in late May and was thinking of going tarpon fishing. However, as I can’t do a double-haul cast (yet) and am not that accurate, would I be wasting my time? I don’t want to just get yelled at by a frustrated guide. Also I called sevral guides who were recommended. They were all booked up. Anyone know someone who will be patient with a beginner in South Florida? The date I am looking for is Sunday May 21st. Steven Locke, M.D. Beth Israel Hospital/Harvard Medical School 617-667-2946 voice 617-527-3343 fax

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A good guide will not yell at you, although you should remember that they put more effort into helping you catch fish than you put into it. I’m sure that it’s very frustrating for them to pole you all over the flat to give you the best opportunity for presentation and then have the cast bobbled or one of a hundred other things go wrong. Most of the better guides are booked years in advance, you would be better off if you could contact them for any available date and then make your schedule conform. Another way to work it is to find a good guide and see if he has any time available outside of the peak period . Book this time and if you work well together you can move into the primo months as time becomes available. Learn the double haul, It’s very important. For sure try tarpon fishing with a fly rod,  there are no wasted days on the flats FISH MORE KEEP LESS Roccus

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