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To make things interesting, well actually I just need some patterns to tie, but what are your favorite patterns for the following: 1) BWO pattern 2) Green Drake pattern 3) Caddis pattern 4) Salmon fly pattern 5) Hopper pattern 6) Nymph 7) Streamer PMD pattern Thanks, Warren

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Well here’s my list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:58 PM To make things interesting, well actually I just need some patterns to tie, but what are your favorite patterns for the following: 1) BWO pattern   – SR2 emerger 2) Green Drake pattern – Parachute Green Drake. 3) Caddis pattern – DRY – CDC & Elk hair.  Nymph – Green rock worm. Emerger – CDC & Biot. 4) Salmon fly pattern – Improved Sofa Pillow or Stimulator. 5) Hopper pattern – Joe’s Hopper 6) Nymph – All purpose – GRHE, or PT 7) Streamer – Black Woolybugger or Wool head muddler. PMD pattern – PMD comparadun. Thanks, Warren Bob Weinberger

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As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework.

"Facts, schmacts. Anyone can prove anything even remotely true with facts." -Homer Simpson — Charlie…

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The spew continues http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679887482.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg — Charlie…

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap.

I would hope she still does… — Charlie…

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I was a fast learner.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap. I would hope she still does… — Charlie…

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

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I was a fast learner.

I should have said "still would"<g… — Charlie…

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ?

My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record. — Ken Fortenberry

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I figured that’s what you meant Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was a fast learner. I should have said "still would"<g… — Charlie…

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him.

As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record.

I know it’s Public, and the fact you have it book marked  is mind boggling. Ken Fortenberry

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

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As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

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… The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98…

LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

 I’m sorry, I had not realized how deep the mutual animosity was here. Harry Mason www.troutflies.com How much is  Lexis-Nexis ? …think of the fun we could all have…..

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I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

in other words " expose the man for what he really is……" is that it ?  Never mind ,I ‘m sorry  I got into this. I expect that kind vitriolic ranting of George, that is what he does. I was disappointed in Kens rather obsessed Crusade to Purge us of The George.   Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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Maxx, I’ve looked into this NG on and off for a few years, and in that time any number of people have responded to George in endless variations of each of your two options.  I don’t know why folks, if they’re really bothered, don’t just filter out his posts (and replies with his name in them) and get on with life. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere.

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Ah, Mad (if I may call you by your first name ;^) it is a dilemma indeed. The buffoon clearly loves to see his name in print – no matter the context. If a vat of vomit were to pour from the sky with his name embedded within, he’d take that as a sign of acceptance. Over the past winter, when he was the recipient of the first – and so far, only – mass-killfile effort, this place was truly blessed with his absence. Thus we can only hope that another good non-violent shunning will accomplish the same goal. If not, well, there’s always that classic tome, "The Original Book of Gink" to invoke once again to help any newbies see what a twisted freak he is. He can never escape his own words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere. … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… ~2 LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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YOU CAN LEARN A LOT FROM A WEE FLY There once was a happy little fly buzzing around a barn one day, when she happened upon a large pile of fresh cow manure.  Since it had been hours since her last meal and she was feeling terrible hunger pangs, she flew down to the irresistible delicacy and began to munch out. She ate . . . And ate . . . And then . . . she ate some more! Finally, she decided she’d had plenty.  She washed her face with her tiny front legs, belched a few times, then attempted to fly away. But alas . . . she had pigged out far too much and could not get off the ground! She looked around, wondering what to do about this unpleasant situation, when she spotted a pitchfork leaning upright against the barn wall.  She’d found a solution!  For she believed that if she could just become airborne, she’d be able to fly again. And so . . . she slowly made her way up to the top of the handle.  Once there, she took a deep breath, spread her tiny fly wings, and leapt confidently into the air . . . and then dropped like a rock, and splattered all over the floor . . . The moral of this sad story? Never fly off the handle when you know you’re full of shit. -Anonymous- Op – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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from Mr G, Ken is a different story. So Harry, You question a post that reflects negatively on George and he calls you an idiot. Sounds about right.

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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 Yes Sir I very much do ,thanks for reminding me. Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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For sake of good order, a few misconceptions have been raised regarding what we’ve been able to do when approaching our first year of Production Line Manufacturing of Bamboo Fly Rods.  This Bastard Project started back in January of 2000.  That was TEN MONTHS ago. The fact is, it took the Gehrke’s Gink Company FIVE – SIX MONTHS of production line construction just building the plant and equipment. This alone was a Herculean effort and required a filthy amount of financial investment just to fulfill a dare.  Simple logic and reason reveals that we have been able to produce nearly 75 fly rods in only FIVE Months, not one year.  With zero production in the first half year, this is an amazing achievement.  Yet, if anyone wishes to ‘include’ the hundreds and hundreds of hours it took inventing a new production line, then producing this number of fly rods over a years time is no big deal, we suppose? Well, guess what?  The production line has been down for two months due to me going through some serious operations at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota.  So everyone can now understand that we produced nearly 75 fly rods in not FIVE Months but actually in only THREE MONTHS with only one production line. Building bamboo fly rods requires attention to details and a high degree of quality control.  Presently, we are construction more production lines to service the demands made upon our product.  We expect to manufacture a thousand various units a year starting within this first year.  This will begin BEFORE the year 2001.  We will start our 2001 Bastard Bamboo Series before this year’s end.  I regard this as a remarkable adventure.  Those that wish to continue to debase a sincere effort for the world of fly fishing, so be it.  The promise we are keeping is to produce bamboo fly rods at prices the common working man can afford.  I think we are doing that, even though we should increase our prices, we are doing everything in our power to keep these beautiful fly rods affordable for everyone, if possible, and even DECREASE prices for them. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [dribble snipped] — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours.

_____  You’re full of shit. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues

_____ The humor regarding #12 eludes you. Secondly, your callous nature and bitching is a waste of time and you’re nothing but a trolley. Thirdly, I do not post here often anymore but said I would, now and then. Wash your ears out or get reading glasses. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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The spew continues

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679887482.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg — Charlie…

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… The spew continues

It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. — Ken Fortenberry

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Dear Mr Gink, As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework. On YOUR website (http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastard_monthly_archives.html) you have a monthly update starting in January of 1999. In the july 99 update there is a picture (dated 11-july-99) of you signing the first Bastard bamboo. In the Aug 99 update there is mention of Doug casting #20 The nov99 update marks the introduction of the black raven "The events began in January of this year and six months of the effort involved just constructing the Bamboo Production Line.  The final six months began with two months just learning how to make a bamboo fly rod.  In four months of actual serious rod making we have produced a little less than 50 fly rods in four months. " So according to your website youve been at this for nearly 2 years. You make more "mis-statements" than Reagan and Quayle combined. First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. _____  You’re full of shit.

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Thanks Frank.`Little stores like this are why we enjoy ROFF. Big Dale

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Thanks for sharing that with us.  Oh how I can relate.  Those Panfish are real stress relievers. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there.  The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation.  You need a success.  Out of the cubicle farm and on the road.  Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard.     You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway.  Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work.  In that little pond, you know there is a big fish.  One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment.  If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out.     You get on the water and work it like a journeyman.  Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle.  You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader.  You test the knot, not once but twice.  Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots.  You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern.  You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove.     You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from.  You toss him back.  He’s not the target today.  You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank.     You catch a fair size bluegill.  You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook.  You don’t toss him in, you  bend down and let him slide in the water.  He dashes to cover.  You continue to cast.     There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings.  You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips.     You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies.  You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years.  The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor.  Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died.     You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive.  You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line.  You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious.  Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success.  That big fish.     As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter.  He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags.  The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond.     Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond.  They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow.  Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep.  No more hits, nothing rising.  You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success.  But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds.     You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring.  You did enjoy many little successes.  Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one.  As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes.  Ying and yang.  The pond is asleep now.  Its time for you to let it rest.  Even fishermen need sleep.                                     Frank Reid

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When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable.  :) good job Peter

    That’s harsh, really harsh.  When I first saw it, I thought it was the East Coast version of the California condor.  It kept circling above me. Things that make you go hmmmm..                                     Frank "Carrion Baggage" Reid

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    The day was stressful. … Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry

When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable.  :) good job Peter

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Nice report Frank,  a little sanity in the midst of madness eh ? TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed

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    The day was stressful. …

Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry

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    The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there.  The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation.  You need a success.  Out of the cubicle farm and on the road.  Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard.     You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway.  Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work.  In that little pond, you know there is a big fish.  One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment.  If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out.     You get on the water and work it like a journeyman.  Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle.  You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader.  You test the knot, not once but twice.  Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots.  You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern.  You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove.     You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from.  You toss him back.  He’s not the target today.  You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank.     You catch a fair size bluegill.  You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook.  You don’t toss him in, you  bend down and let him slide in the water.  He dashes to cover.  You continue to cast.     There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings.  You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips.     You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies.  You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years.  The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor.  Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died.     You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive.  You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line.  You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious.  Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success.  That big fish.     As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter.  He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags.  The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond.     Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond.  They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow.  Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep.  No more hits, nothing rising.  You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success.  But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds.     You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring.  You did enjoy many little successes.  Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one.  As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes.  Ying and yang.  The pond is asleep now.  Its time for you to let it rest.  Even fishermen need sleep.                                     Frank Reid

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I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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OK weevee66.  You wanna fish for trout and smallmouth or are shad, carp, largemouth, catfish and other trash fish your main quarry?  When were you born and what is your real name?  Many of us posted brief Bios awhile back. Care to do the same?  Send me a private e-mail with a detailed listing of all your best secret fishing holes and we will talk.  I’m just outside of Fredericksburg. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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.. the problem is with the fonts in netscape … it seems to pick up a wierd font when setting it up.. especially the earlier netscapes. go into the fonts list and find the offending font and get rid of it, netscape then picks another … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – keyboarded:

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. er.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!new

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Lots of FF magazines out there now. Which one (1) do you like best/rely upon for info and entertainment? Just curious. — Gary Soucie, / Fax 1-301-322-4329 / Tel 1-301-322-8373

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I just spent an evening comparing Fly Fisherman, Fly Fishing Quarterly, American Angler, and Fly Fishing and Tying.  For my money, the best is Fly Fisherman.  I like the mix of articles and I was particularly impressed with their ability to see both sides of complex conservation issues.  This month’s edition has a great article about Pennsylvania’s Falling Spring Creek – the photography is just beautiful! Dave Anderson Columbia, Maryland

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I just spent an evening comparing Fly Fisherman, Fly Fishing Quarterly, American Angler, and Fly Fishing and Tying.  For my money, the best is Fly Fisherman.  I like the mix of articles and I was particularly impressed with their ability to see both sides of complex conservation issues.  This month’s edition has a great article about Pennsylvania’s Falling Spring Creek – the photography is just beautiful! Dave Anderson Columbia, Maryland

want to see the best, check out California Flyfisher, the only magazine I read from cover to cover.         Mike

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right here. TimW

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Lots of FF magazines out there now. Which one (1) do you like best/rely upon for info and entertainment? Just curious. — Gary Soucie, / Fax 1-301-322-4329 / Tel 1-301-322-8373

IMHO, the answer to this question may vary depending on which coast you live and/or fish on.   Tight text, Charley

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Can anyone point me in the direction of Mail Order companies that sell a good range of Fly fishing books. Thanks Simon Simon Lusk Fly Fishing New Zealand on the WWW http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro Department of Consumer Technology Massey University Palmerston North New Zealand

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Hi Three that come to mind are: Dan Bailey’s 1-800-356-4052 Kaufman’s Streamborn  1-800-442-4359 Cabela’s Fly Fishing 1-800-237-4444 Give the 800 # a call and request a catalog. Good Luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (catalog avail)

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Try         The Anglers Art         P. O. Box 148         Plainfield, PA 17081         phone (717) 243-9721         fax (717) 243-8603 Very complete and very friendly and helpful. Cheers

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Can anyone point me in the direction of Mail Order companies that sell a good range of Fly fishing books. Thanks Simon

I was just looking through a magazine (about a year old) this morning that had an advertisement.  They claim to have hundreds of titles to choose from.  They are: The Angler’s Art Box 148 Plainfield, PA   17081 Their phone number is:  717-243-9721 and fax line 717-243-8603 Curtis

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Drop an email note to the Brookside Angler in Manchester, VT. They have an extensive list of titles available. Web address http://www.sover.net/~batenkil/flyshop.html

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I’m interested in buying a quality 3 wt outfit – like a Sage LL379 or Thomas & Thomas 7′6" 3 wt paired with possibly a Lamson.  Any dealers or individuals interested in making me an attractive (discounted) offer for the package?. Please contact me by E’mail. Thanks, Mike Ray Atlatna, GA Cashiers, NC

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Drop an email note to the Brookside Angler in Manchester, VT. They have an extensive list of titles available. Web address http://www.sover.net/~batenkil/flyshop.html

Yes try the Merlin Unwin Books catalogue at www.demon.co.uk/M_Unwin_Books or email me for further details Regards

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Can anyone point me in the direction of Mail Order companies that sell a good range of Fly fishing books.

Bennetts of sheffield stock a wide range of videos/ books on the subject. http:/www.dmatters.co.uk/toshops2.html will give you their telephone and fax numbers – just ask them what they have and they will either mail/fax/telephone you. or email them http://www.dmatters.co.uk

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I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? Paul Keywords:

We’d buy the GL3 for your first (good) rod. It’s tougher, it won’t cast as well but it will certainly send a 90 foot line. The IMX is more expensive and I enjoy the extra punch but I’m not sure you will notice a big difference if you havent done a lot of casting. Dennis & Geroge Altantic Fly Fishing School Brookfield NS, Canada   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? Paul Keywords:

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Paul, Don’t buy without casting the rod.  And if you cast both and cannot tell the difference, well. . . .   Phone the Loomis Rep and ask how you can try out the rods.  S/he should be happy to oblige.  BTW, if you want to spend money, take a look at T&T or a Scott rod. Cheers – Erik

: I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at : the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity : to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the : IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 : and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? : Paul : Keywords: — Burnaby, BC

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Mark Local shops will buy flies from local tyers. In fact many prefer to flies tied in country rather than in Asia. I would suggest you pick one or two patterns that you like to tie and take them to shops and ask if they could use some. Be careful to charge enough. Your expenses will be high- particularly for dry flies. When you get beyond a few hundred dozen, the IRS would like to collect a 10%  excise tax. Hackle will run about $1/dozen. Hooks will vary but should be about .50 to .90/dozen. If you are good, you will quickly have more orders than you tie.

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Hi Folks, sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question but it seems the only newsgroup relevant to my question. My question is this: 1) will retail shops and other bait                         suppliers buy flys from individuals, or                         is it very commercialized.

Some are and some are not.  I sell my flys to some local shops and here’s how I got it started: First I visited them and found out what they sold a lot of.  Look for patterns you can tie well. Then I got consistent in tying them.  They like to see a dozen of one pattern where they all look alike. Next, I tied a dozen of 3 or so patterns and brought them in.  I asked the person at the counter to please show them to the person responsible for purchasing. If they were interested, then we talked a deal.  One shop keeps a tab and lets me trade for merchandise.  He gives me $7/doz and gives me a 10% discount.  Another one gives me $7 – $9/doz and lets me take it in cash or buy stuff at 15% off.  The third just pays me cash, $7/doz. Like you, I’m not out to make a living, but I use the money to keep me in supplies, and I’m doing quite well.  I have tons of stuff and all of it is from my tying proceeds. Anyway, the main thing is to get consistant, then go visit.  If you can tie some local patterns that aren’t available from their normal suppliers, that would really help.  Try tying some off the wall stuff, then test them in the water.  If they work, you will probably be able to sell them. I’ve also found that some shops like to deal with local tyers. Anyway, Thats how I do it.  Hope this helps.   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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[snip] : If they were interested, then we talked a deal.  One shop keeps a tab and : lets me trade for merchandise.  He gives me $7/doz and gives me a 10% : discount.  Another one gives me $7 – $9/doz and lets me take it in cash : or buy stuff at 15% off.  The third just pays me cash, $7/doz. :   <    Steve Kulpa    <<         I just got into the sport and I know very little about fly tying.  However, I am curious.  How many flies can you crank out an hour; for the beginner *and* for the expert.         Also how much does it cost for the equipment to tie flies with?   I ask this because I am interest in tying my own flies. Thanks, Georgie — *George M. Chan                         * "Yea, but bacon tastes good,  * *                                       *                               *

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Hi Folks, sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question but it seems the only newsgroup relevant to my question. My question is this: 1) will retail shops and other bait                         suppliers buy flys from individuals, or                         is it very commercialized. I’m not looking to get rich, just something to keep myself busy after my accident. I am limited in my ability to get out and do any fishing myself but am really starting to enjoying fly tying and keep pictures of my flyes as they get better with practice. Any thoughts, advice, opinions are all welcome.

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