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I fished with a ROFF lurker Sunday, a really good fisherman and tier, and we got rain, snow, and wind.  Both of us caught a few good fish and we enjoyed watching the guides and their sports in the Texas hole.  Two guys in one boat had a foul hooked double.  First time we’d ever seen that one.

I’m assuming you don’t mean my version of a double – foul hooking a fish with *both* my nymphs… ??

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I’m assuming you don’t mean my version of a double – foul hooking a fish with *both* my nymphs… ??

  Man, that’s disgusting.  You need to brush up on your style:)   I caught a fish last year on two nymphs, one fly in each corner of his MOUTH. That’s the way we westerners do things. With a little class.  I’ll bet you tie Parachute Adams’ on treble hooks, too. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I’m assuming you don’t mean my version of a double – foul hooking a fish with *both* my nymphs… ??

Wow.  I’ve never seen that one before either! bruce h

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I’m assuming you don’t mean my version of a double – foul hooking a fish with *both* my nymphs… ??   Man, that’s disgusting.  You need to brush up on your style:)   I caught a fish last year on two nymphs, one fly in each corner of his MOUTH. That’s the way we westerners do things. With a little class.  I’ll bet you tie Parachute Adams’ on treble hooks, too.

Yeah, but I’ve noticed that if I leave off the tail, body, wings and even hackle from my treble Adams it snags ‘em just as well.  Frankly, I don’t think the fish can tell the difference…..

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I’m planning on having a really small group at the San Juan December 7-10. You are invited if you are reading this.  Join the Western clique.  We’re really not all that picky 2002 has been a pretty slow year for me, fishing wise, although I’ve had the good fortune to take some good trips and I have caught lots of good fish. Just not as many as expected in many cases.  Fishing, like many other pursuits, can sometimes be improved by managing one’s expectations. Even the San Juan, a veritable aquarium, has been slower than expected on the days I managed to get up there this year.  And while I was in Idaho and Montana, struggling to catch fish and enjoying everyone’s company, the San Juan was rocking, with the fish eating anything, apparently.  Did I mention that Indian Joe is a HOOT? I vowed to make the time to fish the Juan for a weekend or more and really walk around and concentrate on locating concentrations of fish for the December trip.  Of course it’s not too tough in that river but the fish do move around as the conditions change.  And I’ve never even seen the river as low as it’s flowing now as a result of our drought – 350 cfs.  Last weekend I fished Friday afternoon and all weekend. At the Western Clave, Jeff C mentioned to me that he had hoped for visible hatches and working fish and a puzzle to solve.  We really didn’t get it. We were casting to likely water and mostly blind, not casting to visible fish (except the bridges!) or rise forms.  At the San Juan, you can cast to working fish and throw everything in your box at them and not hook anything but the Tamarisk behind you for two hours.  Well, unless your initials are WL that is.  And other times, the fish are visibly feeding, you can identify pretty closely what they’re eating, and lo and behold, a few of them eat your presentations of imitations.  As somebody once said and I’ve repeated often, some days are electric. Friday afternoon was Electric.  Saturday was raining, cold and mostly windy and the fish still ate a good presentation.  I looked up and down the river and saw the other fly fishers waiting for a chance to get a drift or sitting on the river bank waiting it out.  Sunday dawn I was walking across the upper flats, intent on checking out an apparently trapped goose that I had spotted from my truck.  As I got closer and it got a little brighter outside, I could tell it wasn’t a goose.  The shotgun blasts kicked my brain into gear.  Decoy, hunters.  Wow.  I’ve seen a lot of shotgun shells there but I’ve never had a couple of camo guys stand up on the island in front of me and start blasting at some distant ducks.  Even more amazing was the fact that they weren’t bothered by the other twenty or so guys that arrived over the next couple of hours. The baetis hatch Sunday afternoon was really something to behold.  We were at the right place at the right time.  I think there was a debate here some time ago about whether or not cloudy conditions bring out the baetis.  At the San Juan it seems obvious.  I was extremely happy to be there. I fished with a ROFF lurker Sunday, a really good fisherman and tier, and we got rain, snow, and wind.  Both of us caught a few good fish and we enjoyed watching the guides and their sports in the Texas hole.  Two guys in one boat had a foul hooked double.  First time we’d ever seen that one. bruce h

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Been enjoying an eBay catch "To Hell With Fishing" by Ed Zern and H.T. Webster. Thought I’d share a bit of 40’s humor… In one cartoon titled "The Honeymoon", Mr. Webster draws a happy fellow flyfishing in a stream, while his new bride stands on the shore in a lovely dress and hat, her head surrounded by gnats, while she looks a bit confused. Mr Zern comments: "Personally, I don’t get the point of this cartoon.  As far as I can see, it’s an ideal honeymoon, and I don’t know what Mr. Webster could be driving at.  I spent my honeymoon fishing for small-mouth bass.  I had to.  The trout season had ended." More wife-torturing tips available upon request. 8^)

Timothy Juvenal

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Been enjoying an eBay catch "To Hell With Fishing" by Ed Zern and H.T. Webster. Thought I’d share a bit of 40’s humor… In one cartoon titled "The Honeymoon", Mr. Webster draws a happy fellow flyfishing in a stream, while his new bride stands on the shore in a lovely dress and hat, her head surrounded by gnats, while she looks a bit confused. Mr Zern comments: "Personally, I don’t get the point of this cartoon.  As far as I can see, it’s an ideal honeymoon, and I don’t know what Mr. Webster could be driving at.  I spent my honeymoon fishing for small-mouth bass.  I had to.  The trout season had ended." More wife-torturing tips available upon request. 8^) Timothy Juvenal

Great book. G.Cleveland

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Been enjoying an eBay catch "To Hell With Fishing" by Ed Zern and H.T. Webster. Thought I’d share a bit of 40’s humor… In one cartoon titled "The Honeymoon", Mr. Webster draws a happy fellow flyfishing in a stream, while his new bride stands on the shore in a lovely dress and hat, her head surrounded by gnats, while she looks a bit confused. Mr Zern comments: "Personally, I don’t get the point of this cartoon.  As far as I can see, it’s an ideal honeymoon, and I don’t know what Mr. Webster could be driving at.  I spent my honeymoon fishing for small-mouth bass.  I had to.  The trout season had ended." More wife-torturing tips available upon request.

….And what if you should be so unfortunate as to find a lady who is a flyfisher? Worse yet, what if she is a flyfisher AND flytyer AND could give a rat’s rump if the seat is up or down? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 8^) Timothy Juvenal

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Valkyrie postulated …And what if you should be so unfortunate as to find a lady who is a flyfisher? Worse yet, what if she is a flyfisher AND flytyer AND could give a rat’s rump if the seat is up or down? —– I have one of those special partners that is both a flyfisher and a fly tyer BUT she would rather that I put the seat down cuz she hates taking a midnight dip in the porcelain jacuzzi…I guess 2 out of 3 ain’t bad. Chris Fanning — got a nice package from Cabelas today, oh goodie…Very impressed with their $9.99 Grizzly No. 1 Saddle.

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Count a second here.  Severe adversion of midnight dips.  2 for 3!!! Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Valkyrie postulated …And what if you should be so unfortunate as to find a lady who is a flyfisher? Worse yet, what if she is a flyfisher AND flytyer AND could give a rat’s rump if the seat is up or down? —– I have one of those special partners that is both a flyfisher and a fly tyer BUT she would rather that I put the seat down cuz she hates taking a midnight dip in the porcelain jacuzzi…I guess 2 out of 3 ain’t bad. Chris Fanning — got a nice package from Cabelas today, oh goodie…Very impressed with their $9.99 Grizzly No. 1 Saddle.

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"Chris Richer"  wrote… Count a second here.  Severe adversion of midnight dips.  2 for 3!!!

I really must object to this implication that the fair sex is not clever enough to put the seat down when neccasary.  I always leave the seat up, and have yet to fail to put it down when I’ve needed it in that postion.  I refuse to believe that the ladies are incapable of making the same judgement call. No, gentlemen, it’s not really about women being prone to falling into the toilet.  They’re no more likely to fall in than you or I, and in fact, are probably less likely.  No, this is nothing more than a convienient opportunity to tell you what to do, and one of the few instances when a woman is actually successful at that endeavor. We must be strong, men!  We must resist if we are to prevail in the war between men and women!  We must _insist_ that they leave the seat up!   For the dignity of all mankind! Timothy Juvenal

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"Valkyrie"  wrote … ….And what if you should be so unfortunate as to find a lady who is a flyfisher? Worse yet, what if she is a flyfisher AND flytyer AND could give a rat’s rump if the seat is up or down?

Yes, I admit it would be hard to be strong under circumstances as extreme as those.  Especially if she isn’t always asking silly questions like "What’s *wrong* with you?!", and she can supply a good answer to a simple question like"What’s the big deal?", and she doesn’t decide that she doesn’t want to date men anymore after just a few dates, and all that other silly stuff women can be prone to. Timothy Juvenal

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We must be strong, men!  We must resist if we are to prevail in the war between men and women!  We must _insist_ that they leave the seat up!   For the dignity of all mankind!

I’ve found that insisting that the seat AND lid remain down works better.  It looks better and if you have kids/pets it keeps them out of the toilet seem to work well as reasons for her to do it. Also negates the argument over falling in.  You can beat them at their own game.  :-)      - Ken

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….And what if you should be so unfortunate as to find a lady who is a flyfisher? Worse yet, what if she is a flyfisher AND flytyer AND could give a rat’s rump if the seat is up or down?

And a masseuse. Don’t forget that. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’ve found that insisting that the seat AND lid remain down works better.  It looks better and if you have kids/pets it keeps them out of the toilet seem to work well as reasons for her to do it.

I use the same argument in reverse. What if the dogs get thirsty? It works for me, and it works for them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Stand at the greeting card rack checking out all the romance cards.  Buy one and let her see you pay for it.  When you’re alone, throw it away. George Gehrke

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….And what if you should be so unfortunate as to find a lady who is a flyfisher? Worse yet, what if she is a flyfisher AND flytyer AND could give a rat’s rump if the seat is up or down? And a masseuse. Don’t forget that.

   Shoot, I only got two out of the four.               Charlie,               who ties her flies AND leaves the seat down

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"rw"  wrote… What if the dogs get thirsty?

So, a dog walks into a bar and says to the bartender, "It’s my birthday!  Do I get a free drink?"  And the bartender says, "Sure, the toilet’s down the hall!" Timothy Juvenal

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"rw"  wrote… What if the dogs get thirsty? So, a dog walks into a bar and says to the bartender, "It’s my birthday!  Do I get a free drink?"  And the bartender says, "Sure, the toilet’s down the hall!"

T’ain’t nothin’ til ya hear about how RW’s dog mistook a nude sun-worshipper for a walking sausage factory. Mu

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Glad to see that this appetizing (if OT) title has had so many bites . . . Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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Taking a little jaunt to these areas.  Got any favorite campground for us tenters about Libby, and Rock Creek?  Any better guide services around Dillon or Wise River?    How’s Rock Creek and Yaak fishing?     Thanks. Schuh-fly

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We went to Dillon 2 weeks ago for a few days.  The upper section of the Big Hole is closed to fishingnow, when we were there we were surprised at how low the Beaverhead and Big Hole were.  The water levels in the rivers and creeks are extremely low.  I live in Helena and work at a sporting good store, the reports that we’re getting from custormers is that Rock Creek fishing is poor due to low water.  Fishing has been great on the Missouri where the water level is low, but not low enough to cause concern yet.

Taking a little jaunt to these areas.  Got any favorite campground for us tenters about Libby, and Rock Creek?  Any better guide services around Dillon or Wise River?    How’s Rock Creek and Yaak fishing?     Thanks. Schuh-fly

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Group, My wife has finally, I think, gotten tired of me planning our family camping vacations around a fly fishing destination (last year it was Manzanita Lake and Hat Creek, not to mention our obligatory trips to the Owens Valley/Mammoth area). She  has planned a trip to Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon area. Other than Lees Ferry, can someone offer suggestions on where to fish. I’m inclined to seek out small creeks and quiet lakes as opposed to some nationally recognized mecca. We’ll be there the first week of August. Any suggestions would be most welcome. I haven’t been through this area since I was about 8, so I’m looking forward to showing it to my kids…but I would like to fish even just a wee bit. Campground suggestions would be great too. Roger

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We just got back last week from a trip to the same area.  We didn’t stay in the park when we went to Bryce, but at a campground in the national forest about 25 minutes drive to the park entrance.  The campground was at Tropic resevoir, 7 miles up a dirt road off the highway.  I didn’t take any fishing equipment with me but there were a lot people there fishing and the sight of many trout rising in the late evening (inlet side of the lake and the inlet creek) did make me wish I had my fly rod. We camped on the North Rim of the Grand, the campground was nice but reservations are required.  I didn’t see anywhere to fish near here.  At Zion we also camped in the park, reservations recomended.  The campground is on the Virgin river.  I didn’t see any fish rising or anyone fishing so I am afraid I dont’ know.  I would mention the temperatures while we were there June 6 – June 15.  Bryce (alt. < 8000 feet at Tropic res.); highs were mid 60’s, lows mid 30s (it snowed on the 5th).  Grand Canyon (alt 7800) highs mid 70, lows upper 40s.  Zion (alt 4000) high 103, low upper 60’s.  I think a warm front moved in between the Grand the Zion, but August should be warmer. Joe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Group, << snip She  has planned a trip to Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon area. Other than Lees Ferry, can someone offer suggestions on where to fish. I’m inclined to seek out small creeks and quiet lakes as opposed to some nationally recognized mecca. << snip Campground suggestions would be great too. Roger

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Joe, I’m starting to think I may not bring the gear at all, since it looks like we won’t get down to Lee’s Ferry. This looks like it’s shaping up to be a "family" trip with few opportunities for fishing. How was the campground at Tropic Reservoir? I’m looking for an alternative to overcrowed NP campgrounds in the park, and those private monstrosities that feature swimming pools, arcades, snack shops etc. The kids are voting for the latter, but that ain’t camping to me. Problem is the wife insists on Showers. Which campground did you use in Zion? Thanks for your help Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just got back last week from a trip to the same area.  We didn’t stay in the park when we went to Bryce, but at a campground in the national forest about 25 minutes drive to the park entrance.  The campground was at Tropic resevoir, 7 miles up a dirt road off the highway.  I didn’t take any fishing equipment with me but there were a lot people there fishing and the sight of many trout rising in the late evening (inlet side of the lake and the inlet creek) did make me wish I had my fly rod. We camped on the North Rim of the Grand, the campground was nice but reservations are required.  I didn’t see anywhere to fish near here.  At Zion we also camped in the park, reservations recomended.  The campground is on the Virgin river.  I didn’t see any fish rising or anyone fishing so I am afraid I dont’ know.  I would mention the temperatures while we were there June 6 – June 15.  Bryce (alt. < 8000 feet at Tropic res.); highs were mid 60’s, lows mid 30s (it snowed on the 5th).  Grand Canyon (alt 7800) highs mid 70, lows upper 40s.  Zion (alt 4000) high 103, low upper 60’s.  I think a warm front moved in between the Grand the Zion, but August should be warmer. Joe

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I agree…I’ll never forget …I sent a friends brother a joke and of course the header contained all the addresses and names of other friends….this guy ’s brother sent everyone of them ads for his vitamins etc….I was very up[set that this guy would take advantage.. But people will do anything for a buck and fly fishing is no exception!

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rummy,                                                                                  I think they all do it everywhere!It ain’t just here!From   Mr. G to me. (don’t confuse us though)Whether it’s proper or not I’m not sure !Oh by the way if your planning a trip to the Smokies I live here & I’m a guide & fltyer who specializes in southern appalachian patterns if you need any contact me at

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What’s your point! Wayne to fish is human…to release divine (junk snipped)  comments on the above would be very interesting. Tom Montauk Point

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Anybody notice how many more ads are appearing on this site in the guise of good ol boy conversation. Everything from folksy advise and down home humor from tackle store owners who just happen to include their address and phone number to a guy trying to push his fly line and wax as a gesture of frienship to us all.   No matter how you cut it, they are commercial solicitations for business.   Is this what we want?  Is this the future of this site?  If this is what the majority wants its fine with me but it is a sure bet if this type of folksy ill-disguised  hustling continues unabated, it will eventually take over. comments on the above would be very interesting. Tom Montauk Point

Hi Tom:         Two of the people that I have the most respect for, on this group, are Bill Kiene and Al Beatty. Al’s been gone mostly since taking a job with Hoffman Hackle and that was our loss, especially in the area of tying techniques. Bill’s been a great source of info regarding product and destinations. I’ve never seen a post from either of them that they didn’t offer some valuable information often to questions that they’ve answered many times over the last few years.         Tag lines can also give some basis for credability in an uncontrolled medium that has more than it’s share of poor information. Bill knows what product passes through his store and how satisfied his clients are with that product. In a retail position he also handles and uses a lot more stuff than most of us are familiar with or will use in several years. When someone asks about travel destinations or lodges he can offer some good objective information as someone that’s been to a number of different places, rather than a guy that made one trip several years ago. The guy that went to Mexico once can offer some helpful info based on his trip but the guy I really want to hear from is the one who has been there at several different times, seasons and locations. He’s got the experience to compare one place or time from another.         I’ve been guiding in Southwest Alaska for several years and lived on the Kenai Peninsula prior to that. I generally restrict my responses to guestions of those areas,and when I do respond I’ll usually include the name of the lodge where I work.         I’ve been on this group since 93 and I post very little and read perhaps 10% of the threads here each day. I lost my interest a long time ago in answering another thread on the best way to tie on a dropper or how to cast with lead. I do however have a lot of respect for guys like Bill and Al that have offered  a lot of very good and objective information over the years and I’ve never seen them hyping themselves or their products. Jim McGrath

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amazingly witty words: Anybody notice how many more ads are appearing on this site in the guise of good ol boy conversation. Everything from folksy advise and down home humor from tackle store owners who just happen to include their address and phone number to a guy trying to push his fly line and wax as a gesture of frienship to us all.   No matter how you cut it, they are commercial solicitations for business.   Is this what we want?  Is this the future of this site?  If this is what the majority wants its fine with me but it is a sure bet if this type of folksy ill-disguised  hustling continues unabated, it will eventually take over. comments on the above would be very interesting. Tom Montauk Point

I feel there are two types of advertising.  On the one side there is the advertising that is actually benifitial to the consumer (and I don’t mean by the product being advertised).  For example, television commercials pay for the programing seen on the t.v., banners on websites allow for certain websites to remain open, etc.   Then there is the unacceptable (in my opinion) advertising.  For example, junk mail (I hate it), road side billboards (I hate ‘em even more), and spam (I REALLY hate this!).  This type of advertising does not provide the consumer with anything in return for the advertising. Now I bring up the point I want to make, Mr. G.  Where does he fall in these catagories?  Well, I feel that he (other than the accidental mass mailing) falls within the former.  He advertises in this group but, he also contributes more than probably 75% of the people that read ROFF.  Personally, I don’t like the advertising (I hate almost every form of it) but I feel that since Mr. G contributes so much to this group, he has earned the right to advertise (if you don’t like it, don’t read his posts). Brian (the slightly drunk and pondering) Hailey

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 ….    Two of the people that I have the most respect for, on this group, are Bill Kiene and Al Beatty. Al’s been gone mostly since taking a job with Hoffman Hackle and that was our loss, especially in the area of tying techniques. Bill’s been a great source of info regarding product and destinations. …..

I talked to Al last night at the San Meteo Show and yes he is up to his neck in Hoffman feathers. He doesn’t read hear much or for that matter even post. He said he could be reached at the boards at the flyhop.com, mainly because he is the main judge of all the tying contests that Hoffman sponsors. — Doug Knight                                     metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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Very good point. The question is what can we do about it? It’s fine and dandy foe someone to advertize a personal sale of a rod, reel or other item he has no use for, but to push their commercial goods on this newsgroup is really cheap! Advertise in one or all of the many publications available. I’m sure more sales will come of that and less flyfishers will be offended. We need this space to share, inquire and discuss our hobby & sport. I don’t have the time or inclination to navigate through so much spam to find an interestig message. Get off our turf! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody notice how many more ads are appearing on this site in the guise of good ol boy conversation. Everything from folksy advise and down home humor from tackle store owners who just happen to include their address and phone number to a guy trying to push his fly line and wax as a gesture of frienship to us all.   No matter how you cut it, they are commercial solicitations for business.   Is this what we want?  Is this the future of this site?  If this is what the majority wants its fine with me but it is a sure bet if this type of folksy ill-disguised  hustling continues unabated, it will eventually take over. comments on the above would be very interesting. Tom Montauk Point

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Tom your right that this is an interesting issue. I’d be interested to hear what other think as well. There is no question that get rich quick and send money message (or those promoting sex sites) are not appropriate for this board but what about those message that are related to fly fishing. I mean this is a fly fishing board and posts whether promoting a fly fishing product or a fly fishing site I think should be allowed and welcomed as this is related to the topic of the newsgroup right? Much like a fly fishing magazine you have great articles editorials, heck in resources like events listed and among all those great articles and resource you have ad related to the topic of the magazine promoting products and services related to fly fishing. It would be one thing to have someone post everyday saying the same thing its another thing when someone posts once a week or twice a month about something related to fly fishing that others might enjoy right? How does everyone feel about this. I’m very interested in others views as this has become a continuing problems for business owners, site owners, and newsgroup viewers as well as the general public related to spam message and unsolicited email and such. Thanks for bring this up Tom it was a good idea to get everyone talking about this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody notice how many more ads are appearing on this site in the guise of good ol boy conversation. Everything from folksy advise and down home humor from tackle store owners who just happen to include their address and phone number to a guy trying to push his fly line and wax as a gesture of frienship to us all.   No matter how you cut it, they are commercial solicitations for business.   Is this what we want?  Is this the future of this site?  If this is what the majority wants its fine with me but it is a sure bet if this type of folksy ill-disguised  hustling continues unabated, it will eventually take over.  comments on the above would be very interesting. Tom Montauk Point

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Anybody notice how many more ads are appearing on this site in the guise of good ol boy conversation. Everything from folksy advise and down home humor from tackle store owners who just happen to include their address and phone number to a guy trying to push his fly line and wax as a gesture of frienship to us all.

Yeah, I know how you feel. It used to bum me out too until I downloaded SpamOff!  (the usenet nntp filtering software that removes spam on the fly) from http://www.spamoff.com !   No matter how you cut it, they are commercial solicitations for business.   Is this what we want?  Is this the future of this site?  

It’s not what I want! In fact I think it’s high time we took charge of this situation.  A good first step is probably downloading SpamOff! from http://www.spamoff.com Maybe if none of us read their stupid ads they’ll go away! If this is what the majority wants its fine with me but it is a sure bet if this type of folksy ill-disguised  hustling continues unabated, it will eventually take over.

Sometimes I feel like it already has! Or I used to, anyway, in the pre-SpamOff! days. The days before some kind soul pointed me toward http://www.spamoff.com where I found the usenet nntp filtering software that removes spam on the fly.  comments on the above would be very interesting.

Actually there might be some more comments on one of my favorite WWW discussion forums, http://www.spamoff.com, there’s a message board on these types of issues on that site. (PS: While you’re there you might want to download a FREE demo version of SpamOff! It’s the usenet nntp filtering software that removes spam on the fly!)

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Anybody notice how many more ads are appearing on this site in the guise of good ol boy conversation. Everything from folksy advise and down home humor from tackle store owners who just happen to include their address and phone number to a guy trying to push his fly line and wax as a gesture of frienship to us all. Yeah, I know how you feel. It used to bum me out too until I downloaded SpamOff!  (the usenet nntp filtering software that removes spam on the fly) from http://www.spamoff.com !

Is this a spam for SpamOff? BTW, I couldn’t find a DNS entry for that URL. Maybe their server is down, or maybe they no longer exist.

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Yeah, I know how you feel. It used to bum me out too until I downloaded SpamOff!  (the usenet nntp filtering software that removes spam on the fly) from http://www.spamoff.com ! Is this a spam for SpamOff? BTW, I couldn’t find a DNS entry for that URL. Maybe their server is down, or maybe they no longer exist.

It was a joke…or at least that’s what I took it to be. Cute though.      - Ken — "Time is but the stream I go a-fishin in. I drink at it, but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It’s thin current slides away, but eternity remains."     – H.D. Thoreau

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        Two of the people that I have the most respect for, on this group, are Bill Kiene and Al Beatty. Al’s been gone mostly since taking a job with Hoffman Hackle and that was our loss, especially in the area of tying techniques. Bill’s been a great source of info regarding product and destinations. I’ve never seen a post from either of them that they didn’t offer some valuable information often to questions that they’ve answered many times over the last few years.

snip Jim – I agree completely.  Has the sun returned yet up there? mark Faulkner

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Smokey,     I come down to the smokey’s 3 or 4 times a year (sometimes I fish the motor trail on the north end of the park) Maybe we can hook up a time or two this year if the price is right ! Good Luck David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rummy,          I think they all do it everywhere!It ain’t just here!From   Mr. G to me. (don’t confuse us though)Whether it’s proper or not I’m not sure !Oh by the way if your planning a trip to the Smokies I live here & I’m a guide & fltyer who specializes in southern appalachian patterns if you need any contact me at

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(the usenet nntp filtering software that removes spam on the fly) from http://www.spamoff.com !

If you have spam on the fly, wouldn’t that be considered bait fishing?? Inquiring minds want to know. George Adams

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Anybody notice how many more ads are appearing on this site in the guise of good ol boy conversation. Everything from folksy advise and down home humor from tackle store owners who just happen to include their address and phone number to a guy trying to push his fly line and wax as a gesture of frienship to us all.   No matter how you cut it, they are commercial solicitations for business.   Is this what we want?  Is this the future of this site?  If this is what the majority wants its fine with me but it is a sure bet if this type of folksy ill-disguised  hustling continues unabated, it will eventually take over.  comments on the above would be very interesting. Tom Montauk Point

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Hi I was wondering if any person knows any flats in Cozumel for bones done on a budget?? Also if Isla Mujeres has any wadable flats nearby? Thanks alot Sam I am

Hi, You can catch bones on the north end of Cozumel any time of the year. There are lots of guides on the island. I have not heard of anyone driving there yet as the roads don’t go there. Get a guide for a half day trip in the morning as that is the best fishing anyway. If you shop around you might get a guide for $150/half-day. I was out on Isla Mujeres, but didn’t see any flats. I don’t know about any guides there, but it has a big lagoon. We have been fishing a great lagoon system about an hour north of Cancun with schools of small tarpon from 5 to 30 pounds in clear shallow water. Guides can pick you up at 5am at your hotel in Cancun and take you out for the day. Call Fred at Rod & Reel Adventures to book any of these guides. 800/356-6982 Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Hi I was wondering if any person knows any flats in Cozumel for bones done on a budget?? Also if Isla Mujeres has any wadable flats nearby? Thanks alot Sam I am

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There are three areas at the north end of Cozumel Island. There are lots of bonefish, although not trophy size. At least I haven’t caught one. They are large enough to make your reel sing and make you wonder if you have enough backing. I have heard that you can drive there but I don’t know for sure. I don’t have the name of the guide I use. You can ask around at the marina.

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I’m planning to be on the big Island of Hawaii next week and would like to hook up with a charter captain who is fly fishing friendly.   Taking a 12 weight and a ten with hopes of catching mahi mahi, maybe ahi or striped Marlin.   Any advice about guides there would be appreciated.   I’d rather fish out of an open fisherman than a big sports fisherman. Thanks for your help David Sheffield Los Angeles

Not many people fly fish in Hawaii.  We have a local TV fishing program, "Fishing Tales", hosted by Mike Sakamoto who does fly fish, but I don’t know how to contact him.   You might try this location as a start to get some information:   http://www.biggame.com/ibgfh/index.html — Sincerely, Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii

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I’m planning to be on the big Island of Hawaii next week and would like to hook up with a charter captain who is fly fishing friendly.   Taking a 12 weight and a ten with hopes of catching mahi mahi, maybe ahi or striped Marlin.   Any advice about guides there would be appreciated.   I’d rather fish out of an open fisherman than a big sports fisherman. Thanks for your help David Sheffield Los Angeles

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Hi Fisherfolks! One of my friends is going to a family reunion near Charma, New Mexico. He says the Brazos River is near there. He would like to try fly-fishing again while he is there. He used to flyfish as a kid, but let it go as an adult, and would like to find a guide who can help him get reacquainted (sp?) with it. Can anyone help with this? Please E-mail me your response. Thanks for the help! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

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Hi Fisherfolks! One of my friends is going to a family reunion near Charma, New Mexico. He says the Brazos River is near there. He would like to try fly-fishing again while he is there. He used to flyfish as a kid, but let it go as an adult, and would like to find a guide who can help him get reacquainted (sp?) with it. Can anyone help with this? Please E-mail me your response. Thanks for the help! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

Hi Steve I recently fished there and the fishing was good. I didn’t use a guide but I’m sure you can find a guide by clicking on my web page and then on the fishing reports. There is a whole section on New Mexico. From there it’s just a matter of checking the different report and the organizations who supply them. Good luck & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Hi Fisherfolks! One of my friends is going to a family reunion near Charma, New Mexico. He says the Brazos River is near there. He would like to try fly-fishing again while he is there. He used to flyfish as a kid, but let it go as an adult, and would like to find a guide who can help him get reacquainted (sp?) with it. Can anyone help with this? Please E-mail me your response. Thanks for the help! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

I don’t know about the Brazos but the Chama, the Rio Grande, the Cimmaron and other N New Mexico streams and rivers offer great fishing.  Your friend might contact Van Beacham at Los Rios Angler in Taos (not too far from Chama by western standards).  LRA phone number is (505)758-2798.  Los Pinos in Albaquerque (505) 884-7501 or High Desert Angler in Sanat Fe (505) 98 TROUT –don’t you hate look for those letters?– might be able to suggest or provide guides.  The book Flyfishing in Northern New Mexico is great if you friend doesn’t really need a guide. John

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: Are you referring to the Grand Wagoneer? With the cheesy wood trim along : the doors? : In 1994 The Grand Cheroke models I’ve seen are the Laredo, Limited, and : another without a designation that has the V8, tow,  & gold package. : Where does this model fall amongst the other 2 models as far as features : and accessories?? : : : : NO NO, not the ugly things, the sleek "Cheroke" replacement that never replaced it! Anyway, there is another pakage, the Orvis Ed.  This comes with the V8, tow, gold, and special interior treatment that is reflective of the "Orvis" company (I am told that they are a big fly fishing company in New England).  Personaly, I think the Limited with the V8 is the ultimate pakage (my friend has 2, a ‘94 4.0 limited and an ‘95 V8 limited).                                 -Sean "Doc" Hollywood

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Are you referring to the Grand Wagoneer? With the cheesy wood trim along the doors? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 1994 The Grand Cheroke models I’ve seen are the Laredo, Limited, and another without a designation that has the V8, tow,  & gold package. Where does this model fall amongst the other 2 models as far as features and accessories??

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, Since moving to New Hampshire I’ve become interested in fly fishing, but when I started looking into it, including getting some introductory books to read I was startled at how expensive it is.  Basically, I was looking at somewhere around $400 to get started.  Of course, I can go to Kmart and buy the beginners set for around $40, but all the books claim this inexpensive stuff is garbage and that I should be spending close to $200 for a rod, etc.  I’m wondering at the experiences others have had with bargain equipment.  Is it worth it to start with cheap stuff and move up to good equipment later, or will I be totally wasting my time?  Does anyone have suggestions as to good beginner equipment?  How about sources for used equipment?  I’m definately open to suggestions. Thanks, — | Dartmouth College                                  Home:  603-448-5677 | | 6211 Sudikoff Laboratory, Rm 108                                       | | Hanover, NH  03755                                                     |

Wow, a fellow Tri-towner, I am from lebanon, NH…actually I see you have a 448#, which indicates lebanong, but anyway, I have a cheap K-Mart brand one, and it works for me, I don’t go out and catch 50 pound brown trout on it, I catch a few Rainbow’s on it that MAY go a pound, and they don’t seem to notice that I have a ceap outfit. I feel that if you are a good enough fisherman, and you know where the fish are and what they are eating, that you can catch them on a stick with a piece of line tied on to it with you bait. Afterall, the guy who set the record for Largemouth bass probably wasn’t using much more than that, that must have been one HELL of a fight… $cott Goodwin Lebanon, NH — |      /|~~~ |EAT. SLEEP. FISH.   "PLAY BALL!" (my 2 favorite words) |   /   |___ |$cott WAY up -N- the wilds of New Hampshire

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: Hi, : Since moving to New Hampshire I’ve become interested in fly fishing, : but when I started looking into it, including getting some introductory Cheap is fine but look for an outfit that provides a double tapered flyline and is balance 5 weight line with a 5 weight rod. Director of Economic Development        Voice (206) 683-2025 — Director of Economic Development        Voice (206) 683-2025

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Hello Fellow Granite-Stater, I’m 40 miles away in Warner, and I can’t catch a thing.  Even on the old $400 LL Bean Deluxe.  I’d trade it in any day for your stick and string if I knew where to catch some trout.  So where are the fish? Always Skunked, Brad

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Hi, Since moving to New Hampshire I’ve become interested in fly fishing, but when I started looking into it, including getting some introductory books to read I was startled at how expensive it is.  Basically, I was looking at somewhere around $400 to get started.  Of course, I can go to Kmart and buy the beginners set for around $40, but all the books claim this inexpensive stuff is garbage and that I should be spending close to $200 for a rod, etc.  I’m wondering at the experiences others have had with bargain equipment.  Is it worth it to start with cheap stuff and move up to good equipment later, or will I be totally wasting my time?  Does anyone have suggestions as to good beginner equipment?  How about sources for used equipment?  I’m definately open to suggestions. Thanks, — | Dartmouth College                                  Home:  603-448-5677 | | 6211 Sudikoff Laboratory, Rm 108                                       | | Hanover, NH  03755                                                     |

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