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I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >Does this make a person a redneck or something?

No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. lm

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"Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. So I can’t go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. -phy

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   {Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} "We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" "The truth about Packer’s Fans." "Go Packers!". — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >> lm >MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >"Go Packers!".

Do you extract these things from memory or from google? lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle>

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phy <phy…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:Xns957255878F8FDphy00xyahoocom@216.168.3.44: > stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: >> I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >> anymore. >> Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have > been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use > to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see > some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. > -phy

I lost patience when I was about 5 years of age.  Never looked back.  Also I noticed that cutting fish open is really gross–hard to believe how much dissection I’ve done. — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" > <a…@at.org> wrote: >>lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>anymore. >>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>> lm >>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>"Go Packers!". > Do you extract these things from memory or from google? > lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle>

Memory, mostly.  If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over & over, especially MST3K.  Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons though.  But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode "Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:37:40 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" >> <a…@at.org> wrote: >>>lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >>>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>>anymore. >>>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>>> lm >>>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >>>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>>"Go Packers!". >> Do you extract these things from memory or from google? >> lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle> >Memory, mostly.  If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over >& over, especially MST3K.  Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons >though.  But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode >"Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.  

I heard the mst3k guys on npr the other day, doing a play-acting synopsis of Sky Captain and the blahblah. I don’t think their schtick works on radio so much. lm

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

Do you live in a trailer park?

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message <news:2rt6pbF1e23thU1@uni-berlin.de>… > "Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any > fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. > So I can’t go. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen this weekend I might go. What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in message <news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com>… > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > >Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

Deer season is almost an official holiday here.

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance.

No but I eat fish. Does that count? – Michaela

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JayCee <jc38…@nospamhere.com> wrote in message <news:41598A86.B0921F7A@nospamhere.com>… > Don wrote: > > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > Do you live in a trailer park?

No, and my real name is not Billie Bob either!

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1 @posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I’ve been a couple of times this year to an overstocked pond.  Cast the bait, wait 30 seconds, reel in the catfish.  It’s what fishing was meant to be!

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> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

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 Fishing is for hubbies who want to get  away from the nagging wife for few hours. I’ll get into it if mine is a naggy.  :)

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"Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409281105.ce258e7@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > <news:2rt6pbF1e23thU1@uni-berlin.de>… >> "Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >> >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >> I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any >> fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a >> car. >> So I can’t go. >> > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen > this weekend I might go. > What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

I dunno. Trout I think. — "Landslide for Bush/Howard 2004" – Proud right wing fascist NAZI Darkfalz

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in message <news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com>… > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like to fish. Can’t say that I have much luck at it. I’m like the cartoon character who casts his reel, feels a "bite", and then pulls out an old rubber boot. It seems like fishing is less popular now because the pace of life is too fast. Anything that requires much time and much patience has lost it’s appeal. I think most people just don’t have the free time to spend fishing. Unfortunately that’s true for me too. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

If it does, then I suppose I should start watching Hee Haw!

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dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in message <news:20040929004933.27025.00001448@mb-m13.aol.com>… > Fishing is for hubbies who want to get  away from the nagging wife for few > hours.

Ditto for golf.

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On 29 Sep 2004 02:14:09 GMT, trance…@aol.com (Trance909) wrote: >> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. >People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

Then why do you fish? lm

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Still off-topic. Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it > anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I just watched "A Perfect Storm" and got to wondering about fishing for the umpteenth time. My partner, Mike’s in the fishing industry here in Cape Town and he and all his friends love fishing. They often go away for weekends just to fish. One of Mike’s friends used to fish for a living (he still goes out to sea for work for two weeks or so every couple of months) and he would come home after being away for a month or two and go straight off for a weekend of bass/fly-fishing (not even sure if that’s the same thing). (Actually, I think his passion for fishing is what kept most of his relationships going for as long as they did. He has a tendency to get too involved too quickly and as this can sometimes scare people off, his passion for fishing would often take the pressure off the girl/ relationship.) Anyway, the reason I’m responding here is because I am wondering what the allure of fishing is. I mean, I think I understand the whole solitude/quiet thing. But that’s not enough. What else is it about? Is it something about fighting/using nature? What? – Michaela

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<SNIP the eye, put marabou collars on them, and finished with a built-up epoxy head).   The fishhair stood up, but the marabou got creamed. What would be a good recipe for my needs and what would be a good collar substitute?  Thanks, Adam

Go to your local hardware store, have a  look at the synthetic cords.  They come in a whole range of colours, including fluorescents. When shredded and combed out, ( Use a wire brush),these make indestructible wings for flies. Use short bits for the collars. The stuff does not soak up water, and is easy to cast. TL MC

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Going to fly fish for big peacock bass in the Amazon this October.  Problem is that you have to throw flies all day long, using anywhere from an 8 to a 10/11 wt. rod.  Now, the traditional flies are usually at least 6-8" long and damn wind resistant.  So you get the idea about having your arm replaced at the end of each day. Anyway, I’d like to make up a mess of 6" streamers that will have a nice profile, but yet be not too wind resistant.  One suggestion was to pattern them after Deceivers, but without feathers (as the peacocks will rip them up pronto).  I’m not the greatest tyer and I look to make the flies pretty much down and dirty.  These fish are so aggressive that one doesn’t need to be fancy with their tying.  So, I’d like some help with the type of materials to use that will give me the profile and yet be easy to throw.  Also, I would imagine that if one was to make a deceiver sans feathers, once again certain materials would be better than others.  For example, I’ve fish the peacock in Venezuela (fish went up to 17#), and made relatively thin streamers out of fishhair or bozo hair (just tied on several different colors behind the eye, put marabou collars on them, and finished with a built-up epoxy head).   The fishhair stood up, but the marabou got creamed. What would be a good recipe for my needs and what would be a good collar substitute?  Thanks, Adam

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Mike, I took you’re advice, cooked the arse end of the seat off, popped the spigot out, cleaned off the spigot and blank, epoxied the inside of the blank well, shoved the spigot in with a dowel, cleaned the epoxy off with alcohol, and then glued the reel seat back together again.  Elapsed time – a little over ten minutes. The East Branch rods are some of the prettiest out their, very good quality components, tubes, etc.  They’re superb fishing instruments as anyone who has one can attest.  But EB fell down on simple aspects of execution – both the spigot and the reel seat had very little glue on them – the reel seat came apart after only about 30 seconds in hot water.  By comparison, it took about ten minutes to cook the reel seat off my Cabelas Stowaway. The wraps at the end the ferrules are very sparse and probably contribute to much of the breakage.  Sometimes questionable guide placement contributed to the risk of breakage. It’s a pity that such nice rods were let down by such littler things. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Mike, I took you’re advice, cooked the arse end of the seat off, <SNIP Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html I thought you would   Slapdash repairs are just disasters waiting to happen, and you do not seem the type who would risk that on decent fishing gear. If the rod is as nice as you say, I would certainly rewrap the ferrule ends etc, and carry out any other modifications required.  Sparse ferrule wrappings are indeed the cause of much breakage, loose ferrules also. It does not take much time really, and is invariably worth the trouble. If the spigot ( the part inside the rod butt section) is on the short side, I would give the blank here a generous wrapping as well. This sometimes ruins the symmetry of appearance, but saves a lot of buggering about usually. One may often compensate to a degree by lengthening other wraps to suit. Sparse, and overtight whippings are often a problem. If the whipping compresses or otherwise deforms the blank, then it is also a disaster waiting to happen. Somebody mentioned that this manufacturer used "Elmers Glue", I am not familiar with this, but having experimented quite a lot with various things, I would never use anything other than the various epoxy grades for rod repairs nowadays. Even though I only do repairs for friends etc, and not for money, they would doubtless not be too enthusiastic about failures caused by shoddy work. (Perhaps I should mess up a few repairs? it would reduce my workload ! I have always maintained that the main difference between relatively cheap, and relatively expensive rods, is the cosmetics, and the care taken in production.  If you wrap and otherwise build up even a cheap blank with good hardware etc, then you invariably have a reliable and long lived fishing tool,.  Nice if the action etc suits you as well of course ! Rather a shame that a manufacturer should skimp on such relatively simple things, and thus fold. Especially one who otherwise seemed OK. TL MC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, I took you’re advice, cooked the arse end of the seat off, <SNIP Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html I thought you would   Slapdash repairs are just disasters waiting to happen, and you do not seem the type who would risk that on decent fishing gear. [snip] Rather a shame that a manufacturer should skimp on such relatively simple things, and thus fold. Especially one who otherwise seemed OK. TL MC

Greg was just being sarcastic with the Elmer’s glue comment – he too is an EB customer with a story or two to tell.  The wraps and stripper guide positions on mine seem OK but Greg had a great EB rod snap due to a combination of stripper guide placement and insufficient wraps. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Somebody mentioned that this manufacturer used "Elmers Glue", I am not familiar with this

Elmer’s Glue is a simple water soluble white glue.  It’s manufactured by Borden’s which is a big dairy company.  Their company logos are Elsie the Cow (on dairy products) and Elmer the Bull (on glue products).  Elmer’s primary ingredient used to be casein, milk protein.  It’s a decent glue on porous materials as long as it stays dry. One of the cool things you can do with it is coat your skin (it dries clear) and freak people out by peeling it off in big sheets.  Probably every American school kid has done that. –Stan OBROFF – Elmer’s is a terrible fly floatant.

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<SNIP –Stan OBROFF – Elmer’s is a terrible fly floatant.

Maybe it is a good sinkant?  :) Thanks for the info Stan.  Sometimes quite a problem explaining just exactly what proprietary products are, makes some things very difficult to understand properly. TL MC

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Peter why not contact East Branch??? I talked to the guy at the Marlboro flyfishing show, and he seems a good guy. would probably be a minimal charge or none for such a repair. and you’ll have someone doing it with all the right tools. if they mess it up, you’ll probably get a new rod.   TD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just had the butt section spigot come unglued on one rod (wants to slip back into the butt) and the re-gluing will be an adventure.  I’m thinking of getting some R/C model airplane CA glue (extremely watery) that will penetrate the full length of the spigot.  I doubt there’s enough space for me to get any appreciable amounts of epoxy in there. Anybody ever try using CA glue on a rod repair. (ya Greg, it’s East Branch – the 4 wt.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html If you can do so, it is better to remove the spigot altogether. It is usually possible to push it straight down the butt section, and after removing the butt cap, simply push it out. Using a fine round file or similar, and being careful not to remove any rod material, clean out the tip of the butt section, of any glue remnants etc. Clean the spigot as well.   Then, using a piece of dowel, long thin steel rod,  or similar, apply epoxy to the inside of the butt tip, and simply push the spigot back into place using a long thin steel rod or similar.  This works well, and is a permanent and reliable repair. CA glue is not reliable for repairs on flexing parts. The bond invariably cracks, usually quite quickly. If you wish to try it, warming up slow drying epoxy makes it extremely "runny", at least as runny as CA glue. It also decreases the setting time a great deal, so be careful.  Just pour this carefully around the spigot.  I have only ever tried this once, and it worked OK. ( I was unable to remove the spigot entirely ). One last possibility is to cover the spigot itself in epoxy, and carefully rotate and push this back down into the rod. Hold the tip of the spigot with a pair of pliers or similar, and be extremely careful not to let go of it. When the epoxy is distributed, just pull the spigot back into place, and remove the excess epoxy, using alcohol or similar. TL MC

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As a builder of r/c airplane models: in fact there is very little flex involved in most airframes (nor is flex desired). We try to build out flex as it detracts from precise control. Beyond that, the glue joints in an airframe are almost always stronger than the materials being joined (given that usually those materials are wood). And for joints that really need to be strong (firewalls, gear mounting blocks,  wing joins, etc)  we definitely use epoxy – and the slower the set, the better… /daytripper (check out my Super Chipmunk at http://www.ultranet.com/~haigt/rcstuff/chipmunk.html ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you can do so, it is better to remove the spigot altogether. It is usually possible to push it straight down the butt section, and after removing the butt cap, simply push it out. Using a fine round file or similar, and being careful not to remove any rod material, clean out the tip of the butt section, of any glue remnants etc. Clean the spigot as well.   Then, using a piece of dowel, long thin steel rod,  or similar, apply epoxy to the inside of the butt tip, and simply push the spigot back into place using a long thin steel rod or similar.  This works well, and is a permanent and reliable repair. This had been my initial instincts but being fundamentally lazy, I was looking for an easy alternative. CA glue is not reliable for repairs on flexing parts. The bond invariably cracks, usually quite quickly. There’s a lot of flexing in R/C model airplanes yet I’ve never heard of glue joint failure with CA glues.  Perhaps these glues are a bit different?  The butt on this rod is quite hefty (10 1/2 footer) – there isn’t much flex in it. If you wish to try it, warming up slow drying epoxy makes it extremely "runny", at least as runny as CA glue. It also decreases the setting time a great deal, so be careful.  Just pour this carefully around the spigot.  I have only ever tried this once, and it worked OK. ( I was unable to remove the spigot entirely ). One last possibility is to cover the spigot itself in epoxy, and carefully rotate and push this back down into the rod. Hold the tip of the spigot with a pair of pliers or similar, and be extremely careful not to let go of it. When the epoxy is distributed, just pull the spigot back into place, and remove the excess epoxy, using alcohol or similar. TL MC Thanks Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a builder of r/c airplane models: in fact there is very little flex involved in most airframes (nor is flex desired). We try to build out flex as it detracts from precise control. Beyond that, the glue joints in an airframe are almost always stronger than the materials being joined (given that usually those materials are wood). And for joints that really need to be strong (firewalls, gear mounting blocks,  wing joins, etc)  we definitely use epoxy – and the slower the set, the better… /daytripper (check out my Super Chipmunk at http://www.ultranet.com/~haigt/rcstuff/chipmunk.html )

You in that racket too.  I’ve been building the things off and on since the sixties.  You’re right of course, we don’t want flex but you can be sure that the airframe and wings are really "working" in gusty conditions or when pulling G (or when hitting the ground.)  I have an old bird built in ‘77 with white glue that has held together well, except for the control hinges.  I have a couple of new ones done with CA and so far, so good –  mind you, I haven’t had them out in the last couple of years.

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. There’s a lot of flexing in R/C model airplanes yet I’ve never heard of glue joint failure with CA glues.  Perhaps these glues are a bit different?  The butt on this rod is quite hefty (10 1/2 footer) – there isn’t much flex in it.

My neighbour builds radio controlled model aeroplanes, and he also uses CA glue for some things. I just had a word with him, and he tells me that the stuff he uses also cracks easily apparently.  Most of the flex is in the airframe itself, the actual joints are rigid.  He says that even a mild "crash" will crack CA joints. He also says that this is actually often desirable, as the cracking of the glue joints apparently acts as a sort of shock absorber, and the actual glued parts are not damaged, and may simply be glued again. I don

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I went in midaugust.  Pretty slow.  Lost one fish and two missed strikes in 2.5 days of fishing.  A friend caught 4 fish in 3 days, and a guy who was a bigtime flyfishing bum and former snake river guide had three. check with doaks for latest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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I fished it once for a week in early October. Caught one small fish. My guide told me that his favorite time was the first two weeks of July. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com   Robert,   Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website,   http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm   A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate.   Regards,   Yuji Sakuma     Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New     Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go     this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.     —     Regards,     Robert E. "Bob" Buckley     Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

Friend sof mine are on th eMiramichi this week. You can find up to date information at http://www.salmonanglersonline.com/index.html Enjoy Tom. — Thomas Hackmann "Live simply, so that others may simply live." To reply delete XPLEASENOSPAMX from email address.

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.: This may be a late reply, but I fish the Little Southwest and Northwest Miramichi rivers every weekend.  They have been OK.  The LSW has generally been better.  The Main Southwest by all accounts is full of fish right now.   The water is low, and with a bit of rain the fishing should be great for the last two weeks. JB

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Robert, Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website, http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate. Regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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A big "thanks"to the guys who have so readily replied to my request for help with some very sound advice. I really appreciate your words of wisdom and will be endeavouring to put them into practice. I’m also impressed with this forum – so much response so quickly! Regards, Brian Meredith Nelson New Zealand — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway.

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Brian: Two other thoughts on the situation. 1.  Another common way to spook fish in NZ is with your line itself.  You need to make sure that your leader is long enough — generally we fished with 12-15 foot leaders.  They’re a bitch to cast, but necessary.  Ideally, you want to put the fly 6 feet in front of the fish (though depending on depth, you may need more), so you still have 6 or 8 feet of leader behind the fish before it attaches to your fly line. 2.  Generally NZ fish aren’t particularly "leader shy", but in slow moving, crystal clear water they may see your tippet.  Generally we would fish with 3x fluorocarbon tippet, but in the situation you describe, I might be tempted to put on a 4x or even 5x fluorocarbon.  That’s only a 4 lbs. breaking strength, but might be necessary. Keep in mind that the deeper the fish, in smooth water, the wider his angle of view.  This is counter intuitive:  the fish sees MORE from a deep lie than from a shallow lie.  So if you’d been approaching fish successfully in shallow water, and judged how close you could get from that, you may get too close.  I made that mistake myself stalking a 10 lbs.+ brown cruising a regular beat in a deep hole, to my everlasting regret.  I got where I thought it would be safe, but he had stopped cruising. Also, you’ve got to stay much further back from a fish in smooth water than in roily water.  A fish lying deep in smooth water may be literally impossible to catch.  E.g. if you have to cast well in front, in order to give time for the nymph to sink, any cast that would present the fly properly would "line" the fish.  Your only hope in that kind of situation would be to wait for the wind to riffle the surface of the water.  Then you might just get a cast in. Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some advice for a novice please? I am fortunate to live in New Zealand’s South Island where there are some of theworld’s most renowned trout waters. They are populated mostly by brown trout which are notoriously difficult to catch. This pat weekend I was fishing the source of the Gowan River as it emerges from lake Rotoiti in the Nelson lakes national Park. I spotted my fish, a beautiful looking brown sitting on station in crystal clear and slow moving water. I stalked him with great care and there followed an hour of some of my most careful casting, some of which (not all by any means!) placed my size 6 pheasant tail nymph gently upstream of his mouth before drifting majestically over him. And nothing. He did not move. He did not strike. He just stayed on station and ignored that nymph and the four other varieties I tried. So what was I doing wrong? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. BrianM — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway.

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<< stalked him with great care and there followed an hour of some of my most careful casting, some of which (not all by any means!) placed my size 6 pheasant tail nymph gently upstream Egads, Brian!  A size *6* pheasant tail

        i figured (fugured?) that size 6 was a typo. wayno

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brianm wrote Some advice for a novice please?

[wily trout story snipped] Next time you see a big fish on station in ultra clear, smooth water, try observing him (without him observing you) for a while to see how he is feeding.  Is he on the bottom?  Just below the surface but never breaking it?  Occasionally sipping? Also, try taking a little mesh net with you to see what’s in the water. Those little nets they sell for tropical fish aquariums work pretty good, but for faster results, try 2-3 square feet of nylon mesh (you can get at any hardware store).  It’s a little cumbersome but at worst, you’ll get an interesting cross section of some of the insects in the water and at best, you just might have a pattern in your box. —                                                       -dnc-

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<<even peter charles has failed to catch a fish; or, at least, legend would have it that way. It is true.  I have witnessed it.  Of course Peter had gotten into the Sleeman’s and had mistaken the broom in the cabin for his fly rod. Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This pat weekend I was fishing the source of the Gowan River as it emerges from lake Rotoiti in the Nelson lakes national Park. I spotted my fish, a beautiful looking brown sitting on station in crystal clear and slow moving water. I stalked him with great care and there followed an hour of some of my most careful casting, some of which (not all by any means!) placed my size 6 pheasant tail nymph gently upstream of his mouth before drifting majestically over him. And nothing. He did not move. He did not strike. He just stayed on station and ignored that nymph and the four other varieties I tried. So what was I doing wrong? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

I’ve had the good fortune to fish the South Island in two trips, and I envy your location. I agree with Dave that a size six may be too big.  However NZ nymphs do tend to the larger sizes — mostly 10-14 in my experience (rarely as small as 16, but 6 is HUGE).  You should check with local anglers/shops for advice. Several other points: Often, if the fish is in a comfortable, deep lie, it will not move even if spooked.  So you could easily have spooked it and not realized it.   Besides actually seeing you, if it was a bright sunny day, you could have spooked it with a reflection or a shadow.  Do you have a silver or gold reel?  Other silver metal that might flash?  Even black or dark colors, if glossy, can send a reflection on a bright sunny day that will put off a wary NZ trout. Shadows are especially treacherous if the sun is low and behind you.  Your body and  rod will then cast a shadow upstream. It’s actually very hard to cast lines near a wild NZ trout for an hour without spooking it.  So my guess would be the trout was spooked and was just holding its lie. Also, were there other fishermen around?  YOU might not have spooked it, but someone could have fished to it before you showed up.  This is particularly likely if the fish is in an obvious lie (as this one seems to be). Also, NZ fish will rarely go for a fly pattern once refused.  So, for example, if it saw the PT and decided not to take it (say because you dragged it) you MUST change patterns.  The fish may not have been spooked, simply keyed into some other fly. In general, if you’re pretty sure you covered a NZ fish with a fly once, and it doesn’t take, you should change flies immediately.  (The art is to be sure you’ve covered the fish — that comes with experience.  I had a day on a small stream in NZ where the fish would only take if the fly was DIRECTLY on their nose.  I mean six inches off, which normally is fine, would not induce a strike.  You had to keep casting until you got it right). But generally, there’s no point in chucking the same fly over and over again.  If you’re sure you’ve covered a fish, you should change flies. Again, check with your local shop.  But cased caddis, brassies, etc. might draw a strike that a PT wouldn’t.  It’s not unusual to try 4 or 5 different patterns, and occasionally you can draw a strike on the 5th pattern.  Keep in mind that every time you cast to a NZ fish, you risk spooking him.  So try to make very cast count.  If you think you’ve covered the fish, change flies.  Don’t screw around. If you’re working a fish without any luck, stop after a few casts and watch it.  If it hasn’t been spooked, you should be able to see it nymphing — occasional left or right swings to take a fly.  If it’s glued to a spot without moving, it’s likely spooked.  Waiting a few minutes may let the fish go back on the feed, assuming it wasn’t badly spooked. When all else fails, chuck a Wooly Bugger upstream and across, and strip it by his nose.  I’ve never actually had it work, but I have had totally unresponsive fish at least follow the fly before refusing it.  One of these days, I’m sure, it will work. Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<< stalked him with great care and there followed an hour of some of my most careful casting, some of which (not all by any means!) placed my size 6 pheasant tail nymph gently upstream Egads, Brian!  A size *6* pheasant tail?  I should think the fish would be more comfortable ingesting a size 14 -18 ptail.  I may be missing something here, but I have never seen a ptail tied larger than a size 12.  What size tippet did you have? A #6 hook would equate to a 1X or 2X tippet. Big is not necessarily always "better", Brian. Try smaller nymphs, smaller tippet (maybe even fluorocarbon). Of course a size 2X tippet with a #6 pheasant tail would make a wonderful trolling machine.   d;0)  You ain’t trollin’, are you, Brian?     <G Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some advice for a novice please? I stalked him with great care and there followed an hour of some of my most careful casting, some of which (not all by any means!) placed my size 6 pheasant tail nymph gently upstream of his mouth before drifting majestically over him. And nothing. He did not move. He did not strike. He just stayed on station and ignored that nymph and the four other varieties I tried. So what was I doing wrong? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. BrianM

    *assuming you didn’t actually spook him*…let me repeat that: *assuming you didn’t actually spook him*, then you were doing *nothing* wrong.  you were offering fake food to an animal that didn’t want to eat. in short, you were "fishing".  while the same anomaly will continue to occur throughout your fishing career, take heart:  it is a noble endeavor, and your occassional failures make you part of an ever-growing club.     even peter charles has failed to catch a fish; or, at least, legend would have it that way. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway.

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Some advice for a novice please? I am fortunate to live in New Zealand’s South Island where there are some of theworld’s most renowned trout waters. They are populated mostly by brown trout which are notoriously difficult to catch. This pat weekend I was fishing the source of the Gowan River as it emerges from lake Rotoiti in the Nelson lakes national Park. I spotted my fish, a beautiful looking brown sitting on station in crystal clear and slow moving water. I stalked him with great care and there followed an hour of some of my most careful casting, some of which (not all by any means!) placed my size 6 pheasant tail nymph gently upstream of his mouth before drifting majestically over him. And nothing. He did not move. He did not strike. He just stayed on station and ignored that nymph and the four other varieties I tried. So what was I doing wrong? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. BrianM — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway.

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You don’t beat up on your own sport. Mr. G. —

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You don’t beat up on your own sport.

A curious (if not bizarre) simile – which begs the question: just what do you do with your bar of bath soap, George? (Practise C&R in the tub? ;^) /dave

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Well this was an eye opener here on this cool morning in northern Maine….I’m howling… dave — dave’s homepage madness – flyfishing in Maine and more http://www.midmaine.com/~dbottom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t beat up on your own sport. A curious (if not bizarre) simile – which begs the question: just what do you do with your bar of bath soap, George? (Practise C&R in the tub? ;^) /dave

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Interesting analogy.. but why the word "molest," which seem more in line with using them for your own purposes and then tossing them aside? You don’t beat up on your own sport. Mr. G.

-Mark/Particle Salad Particle Salad/Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad

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I have recently moved to Sydney (Australia) and would love to hear where there is good flyfishing reasonably close by (eg: up to half a day’s drive away). I would appreciate hearing other fisho’s thoughts. Thanks! Mat

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I have recently moved to Sydney (Australia) and would love to hear where there is good flyfishing reasonably close by (eg: up to half a day’s drive away). I would appreciate hearing other fisho’s thoughts. Thanks! Mat

G’day Mat, You should have a go at Lithgow (Lyell dam), Wallerawang (Lake Wallace), Mudgee (Windamere dam) or best of all Oberon (Oberon dam). These are all reasonably close to Sydney out via the Great Western Hwy. If fishing in lakes is not your style, I believe that there is some good ffishing in the Coxs & Turon Rivers (as well as the many other creeks and rivers in the area) – but I haven’t tried these, yet. Phil

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Gary: Check out the collection <Batfishing in the Rainforest, in which you’ll find an odd and entertaining story about fishing for "tarpon" (probably not) either in Singapore, or across the Causeway in Johor State, Malaysia. You might have been watching carp, which roll on occasion.    The Malay name for them is Ikan Putih (Fish White).  They will take flies, and a big one will battle you untll you’re older. Ikan Puyu are a deep-bodied fish shaped somewhat like large bream, reaching a pound or two.  They school in large numbers, and regularly rise to hatches in the evening. The Ikan Haruwan is called a bowfin here–a primitive, extremely aggressive and toothy fish, with a flattened head and large scales.  At night they move into the shallows, especially in marshy areas, to hunt fish and frogs.  They’ll take poppers and streamers.  Use shock tippet. Note:  night fishing in the tropics can be unnerving, and I’ve encountered both cobras and reticulated pythons, neither of which are as frightening as the mosquitoes (nyamok) of the northern Malay peninsula.  (The southern mosquitos are quite timid by comparison, but they do carry dengue fever.) Go with a local, although it’s too true that many in that area are surprisingly ignorant of their own fauna. There’s half a chance–or half of half that–you saw mahseer, a spectacular gamefish that looks something like the fish you describe.  The British sahibs chased them in India, and I know they can be found in northern Malaysia and Borneo.  Mahseer can be caught on flies, I understand; the larger specimens–to 200 pounds–are piscavores.   See <Down the Crazy River. The more remote areas of South China sea have a variety of saltwater fish typical for the equatorial region, though  pollution and fishing pressure are both excessive.  Barracuda can still be found.  Note, however, that the water from Singapore north to Thailand–and beyond–all through the Straits of Mallacca, is the major drug smuggling route for the Golden Triangle.   Most of those folks have better things to do than fool with you.  Most, anyway:  just fish in a most convincing manner. Certainly an interesting area.  

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I was in Singapore last week, as my company may relocate me out there for two years. I had guessed that would put and end to my fly fishing. I visited some gardens and there were a few lakes that you could fish. Some locals were there fishing with bait. To my surprise, around early afternoon, the lake was alive with rises. Some large fish could be seen rolling after taking a surface insect. I had no idea what the fish were, but they looked carp-like, with a dark back, golden sides and white bellies. Though I could not see the insect that was hatching I am sure I could catch them with, say, a tiny midge pattern or buzzer. The more I thought about, with the exception of the lack of trout, this has to be a kind of nirvana for flyfishing: no seasons, no major temperature changes, consistent weather all year round. This hatch could very well be a daily occurance.  Has anyone any information on fishing there? Also, if anyone has info on fly fishing in the Asia/Pacific region (I’ll be travelling all over and, happily, New Zealand will be included in this) I would greatly appreciate it. In any case, I’ll be sure to write to the group with my my own findings. Thanks, Gary McMeekin

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Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time.

I would like to have gone, but I don’t have a car at the moment. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow.

Yeah, I think spring is here.  Just in the past couple of weeks the daytime highs have jumped from the 50’s to the 60’s.  Hatches should be on soon. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Yeah, I think spring is here.  Just in the past couple of weeks the daytime highs have jumped from the 50’s to the 60’s.  Hatches should be on soon. I just now noticed a huge swarm of those little ‘flying ants’ that make bike rides so much fun.  Spring’s definitely getting close, isn’t it?

Actually on my last bike ride out in Kings Valley the other day I saw a couple of mayflies.  Eleven days of 55+ temperature and those big stones will start crawling to shore. Say Al, I noticed Billings had a record high of 75 yesterday.  Nice! -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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Yeah, I think spring is here.  Just in the past couple of weeks the daytime highs have jumped from the 50’s to the 60’s.  Hatches should be on soon.

I just now noticed a huge swarm of those little ‘flying ants’ that make bike rides so much fun.  Spring’s definitely getting close, isn’t it? Oh!  There’s another thread on this, but I did see a male W.Bluebird the weekend of the 8th while riding out to Oak Creek gate!  Gorgeous little things. BTW, Al, glad you enjoyed your trip.  Did you get a chance to fish at all? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Brrr, all this talk of shoveling snow makes me feel cold just thinking about it!! The Brown Trout season opened over here in the UK on Saturday and we had a few, just a few, hours of sunshing about mid-day. After an hour of sun a few fish remembered how to take a tiny green olive off the top..what a joy to see, it seems to have been a long dark winter. Thought it was too good to last, its been raining and a cold northerly wind has swept down from Scandinavia ever since. But the Daffodils and Primroses are showing so it won’t be long. regards…russ writes Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow.

– Russell Symons M.I.P.D

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The show was very successful, and we set attendance and sales records almost across the board.  Thanks to all those who demonstrated and attended. If you have suggestions for improving the show, let me know. Sorry I couldn’t hook up with the internet crowd – too busy with the video corner and beginners corner. V.P. Conservation      | http://porky.turbonet.com/orcfff/ | Home Page Oregon Council FFF     | (USA) (503) 753-4276              | Voice-mail Top Alerts    - 97/03/01 FFF Alert: Federal Government Considers Coho’s Future    - 97/03/12 ORC Signon: HB 2003 Undermines Camp Creek Decision    - 97/03/12 FF Alert: Belly Boat Legislation (Nevada)

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Al…anything new and exciting that you saw at the show???? Barry Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group, Gretchen & I just returned from the Eugene, OR Fly Tying Expo. What a great show and bunch of people. We met some great folks from these newsgroups as well as many others not part of ROFF or ROFFT. There were about 150 fly tiers with 80 demonstrating at any given time. As always it’s great to be back home. I had to shovel for almost an hour to get the car OUT of the garage when we left for OR, it was sure nice to return home and not have to shovel my way back in. I guess spring is just around the corner, at least here in Montana. It was also great to see green grass and flowers in OR — a nice break from the snow. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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Sorry about the subject error, but does anyone know of any WWW sites about fly fishing

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The only ones I know of are: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~jsuchosk/fish/fishpage http://www.indirect.com/ftplink/jshannon.indirect.com.html http://www.unm.edu/pub/flyfish/flyfish.html http://www2.ecst.csuchico.edu/~jschlich http://oeonline.com/~rmarsh/fishpg.html http://www.mind.net/vmt http://www.getnet.com/salmoart http://rmii.com/~flyshop/flyshop.html http://zebu.uoregon.edu/cgi-bin2/Mckenzie/Mckfrontend.pl http://www.peak.org/~robertr/fishing.html http://eagle.dfw.or.gov I hope it is appropriate to publish these.  I started to just email them to you, then decided others might be interested.  I make no guarantees on the effectiveness of these addresses.   If my typing skills don’t get you, some are untested, some are just dated.  I haven’t actually tried all of these since I generally get into this group before getting on the WEB and then I run out of time after reading all the posts on how we hate YUPs.  I need to start a thread on Lawyers…… Have fun, Charley

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