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Hey everyone, I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish. thanks, Freestone

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Hey everyone, I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish.

Better go to Colorado.  Montana will be closed this summer for cleaning and repairs. Kevin, saving Warren the trouble

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Better go to Colorado.  Montana will be closed this summer for cleaning and repairs.

Not even.  We will still be having winter!  We have gotten quite a bit of snow lately.  Hard to believe it is May and the weather is more like January or February.  Check out the snowpacks.  Some places are up to 166% of normal!  Definitely good news! ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/snow/update/mt.txt — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Hey everyone, I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish.

I’d go with Montana, but I am biased.  :-)  You might run into problems with runoff though.  We have been getting quite a bit of snow so I would advise checking with fly shops in the areas you plan on traveling and see what they think.  I hear the Yellowstone is already high and muddy and most of the snow hasn’t even melted yet.  Of course you may find luck fishing some of the tailwaters like the Missouri, Bighorn, etc if things are blown out. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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I have the opportunity to travel west in about three weeks and I am wondering which state is preferred to fly fish in…..Colorado or Montana. I will have approx. three weeks to bum around out there and I am curious as to what state would be more rewarding to fish. I’d go with Montana, but I am biased.  :-)  You might run into problems with runoff though.  We have been getting quite a bit of snow so I would advise checking with fly shops in the areas you plan on traveling and see what they think…

No problems with runoff in Colorado. You need snow for that. (Wait… I guess that is a problem) Since you’re planning on fishing in about three weeks, Colorado should still have some fishable water. If you’d said July or August, I’d suggest you go elsewhere. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Colorado should still have some fishable water. If you’d said July or August, I’d suggest you go elsewhere.

No doubt. The main CDOW Roundtable topic on the western slope recently was entitled "Stress and Release". Your pal, — TBone

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To make things interesting, well actually I just need some patterns to tie, but what are your favorite patterns for the following: 1) BWO pattern 2) Green Drake pattern 3) Caddis pattern 4) Salmon fly pattern 5) Hopper pattern 6) Nymph 7) Streamer PMD pattern Thanks, Warren

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Well here’s my list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:58 PM To make things interesting, well actually I just need some patterns to tie, but what are your favorite patterns for the following: 1) BWO pattern   – SR2 emerger 2) Green Drake pattern – Parachute Green Drake. 3) Caddis pattern – DRY – CDC & Elk hair.  Nymph – Green rock worm. Emerger – CDC & Biot. 4) Salmon fly pattern – Improved Sofa Pillow or Stimulator. 5) Hopper pattern – Joe’s Hopper 6) Nymph – All purpose – GRHE, or PT 7) Streamer – Black Woolybugger or Wool head muddler. PMD pattern – PMD comparadun. Thanks, Warren Bob Weinberger

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Nah, If you were really Welsh we wouldn’t have understood a thing you said! ) — Wayne (the Welsh invented Welshe’s Grape Juice….now, the Scotch on the other hand, made themselves useful!!!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

I’m Welsh, and from your comments – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Wayne (the Welsh invented Welshe’s Grape Juice….now, the Scotch on the other hand, made themselves useful!!!)

They invented tape? ,      - Ken

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Nah, If you were really Welsh we wouldn’t have understood a thing you said!

ROTFL — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Christopher Thomas emigrated to the colonies around 1634, from County Cairmarthen.  His parents were Tristram and Elizabeth Thomas.  I am not implying that you should have known any of these folk. <BG

Well, I live about half an hour from Carmarthen Town, of course the county is considerably larger. Thomas is quite a common name in Wales, though I’m surprised to hear the name Tristram as far back as 1634. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Let’s just say we’re talking after W.W. II and before the end of the Vietnam War.  Those 9 cases were where?

Before 1929, when the last was reported (as of that edition).  There were cases, 1 in Mexico and 1 in Canada, in the fifties that resulted in border quarantines.  If there were experiments with it pre-1975 and let’s say, for argument’s sake, post Dien Bien Phu, I’d suspect these were to release on SE Asia to mess up the buf population.  I just don’t see it being as that big an issue in the US (well, really, as a current naturally-active virus, anywhere in the Americas, a few parts of SA excepted, and as a weapon, the possible exception of parts of Mexico and CA) anymore.  Plus, it can be vacc’ed out. There are numerous reasons UK and Continental herds seem to get hit with this type of thing (or MCD, etc.), and some of it herd management practices, but some is space-related, and perhaps surprisingly, some is actually caused by the EU and politics. IMO, ranching practices in the Americas are such that it could and would be quickly contained because it would start and initially remain highly localized.  It could be economically bad for industry segments, but it wouldn’t cause a total collapse of the food supply, nor a strain on the agricultural output because of the extremely limited use of working cattle. TC, R

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Richard, did you receive the e-mail I sent you of the leather fly wallet a week of so ago?  If so, was it similar to the one that you have? — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Richard, did you receive the e-mail I sent you of the leather fly wallet a week of so ago?  If so, was it similar to the one that you have?

Well, you obviously didn’t get my response <G.  Yes, I did, and thanks – I sent you an email in response, but our ISP was purchased by Prodigy, and we have been going through the "take-over" process, so I’m not 100% certain of what gets to me or out on this account. Anyway, I had some questions and possible info, so when I can get back to the msg. I sent, I’ll resend.  Basically, it appears similar, but it was hard to tell, sorry.  IIRC, you were wondering about age, as well, and based on what I can deduce from my situation, mine is from the very late 1800’s or first quarter of the 1900’s.  As of yet, I haven’t gathered any real history on mine.  Was your dad able to shed any further light on yours? Along the same, er,  "lines" <G:  Willi, if you read this, where are we on the "conversation" resend and have you gotten the NL from OGJ? I hadn’t heard either way. TC, R

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As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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"Tragedy"  is not really the right word in my opinion.  This and other similar things are simply the result of pre-programmed catastrophes waiting to happen.   Keeping massive quantities of livestock in unsuitable conditions, feeding them on questionable substances, well laced with all sorts of growth hormones, including various other wide-band medication, legal and otherwise, all in the name of profit. Is the main reason for such outbreaks. Couple this with the "free-trade" in such stuff, and you have the perfect scenario for a catastrophe. The only thing that really surprises me is that we do not have a lot more of the same, especially considering the conditions and circumstances in which other animals are kept and raised.  To call this "farming" is a sad joke. Perhaps our tofu days are nearer than we think? TL MC — "Curiosity is not necessarily a sign of intelligence" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Bill, my dad has said that his side of the family are of Welsh/Irish decent. I believe it was my paternal Grandmother’s family.  They are Thomas’.  My paternal Grandfather was a Bowen–as, DUH– and they were from Ireland.  Do you know any Thomas’?  I believe we are descended from the Christopher Thomas line.  Christopher Thomas emigrated to the colonies around 1634, from County Cairmarthen.  His parents were Tristram and Elizabeth Thomas.  I am not implying that you should have known any of these folk. <BG Mark Harrington Bowen  a/k/a The Postmaster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. I’m not going to answer, because I’m Welsh, and from your comments above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Dad said he believed that the wallet came from either England or Scotland, due to the no. marking and that he believed it to have been made about the same time period as you stated for yours. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, you obviously didn’t get my response <G.  Yes, I did, and thanks – –snippage… IIRC, you were wondering about age, as well, and based on what I can deduce from my situation, mine is from the very late 1800’s or first quarter of the 1900’s.   TC, R

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writes With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle.

I’m not going to answer, because I’m Welsh, and from your comments above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly.

HUH!?  Foot and Mouth as a "bio-warfare agent?"  It really doesn’t affect the US, and it isn’t really fatal (OK, _maybe_ as some odd, hoping-for-damage form of "bio-terrorism"), but as warfare, it would be like one force sneezing on the other’s troops in battle and hoping they came down with really bad colds.  Are you sure you aren’t talking about anthrax?   TC, R

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The first experiments were with hoof-and-mouth because of its dispersement properties.  It was believed an intensified and more virulent strain could be developed which would incapacitate enemy troops and have a short life span to permit rapid occupation. — Wayne (not that I have any knowledge of such development or dispersement experiments) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HUH!?  Foot and Mouth as a "bio-warfare agent?"  It really doesn’t affect the US, and it isn’t really fatal (OK, _maybe_ as some odd, hoping-for-damage form of "bio-terrorism"), but as warfare, it would be like one force sneezing on the other’s troops in battle and hoping they came down with really bad colds.  Are you sure you aren’t talking about anthrax? TC, R

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The first experiments were with hoof-and-mouth because of its dispersement properties.  It was believed an intensified and more virulent strain could be developed which would incapacitate enemy troops and have a short life span to permit rapid occupation.

Um, are we talking WWI here (seriously)?  I can’t imagine using this virus, even "hopped" up (well, I guess it depends HOW hopped up).  I understand it just isn’t all that bad in its er, untampered-with form, as B/C’s go, and its danger in humans is even less than in bovine/ovine/equine pops.  It is basically non-existent in the US – most current RM texts that I have only give it a mention at best, but a early sixties edition of "Stockman’s" talks of 9 cases being reported in the US up to that point.  To the best of knowledge, I’ve never even seen it, in the US or otherwise.  It would seem its damage is mostly herd economics, rather than "danger" in the "mad cow" sense. TC, R

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With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Practically all fishing is closed as of now. Most waters are closed, and will remain so for some time.  Access to farmland etc is also extremely restricted. Many measures are being implemented to prevent the spread of the disease. Experience suggests that most will be ineffective. This is unfortunate, but a fact. Attempting to stop the spread of such viral diseases in this day and age of extremely high traffic in all directions is more or less impossible. Transport mechanisms for these diseases are in any case not fully understood. If you need more info on this, there is plenty flying around.  Specific fishing info may be obtained from the groups: uk.rec.fishing.coarse uk.rec.fishing.game uk.rec.fishing sea One assumes that special disinfectionary measures will be introduced in many places, as is already implemented at channel crossings etc. Trucks are obliged to drive through disinfection troughs etc etc. Whether such measures prove effective is a moot point. It remains to be seen whether America and other countries implement specific measures. TL MC — "Curiosity is not necessarily a sign of intelligence" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email

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Let’s just say we’re talking after W.W. II and before the end of the Vietnam War.  Those 9 cases were where? — Wayne (just guessing at these dates and possible derivative strains) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Mike, we are all party to the development of cheap food production procedures, even unwittingly. I am not convinced that this is the problem at all. Frequent transportation IMO is more likely: why do sheep need to be transported to Germany, then on to Belgium and from there to Italy.? This is madness. Surely the most economical method would be to kill near origin and ship as carcases? It would remove all the suffering, too. Or does transportation attract a subsidy? I know for a fact that car panels, made in Shropshire are shipped to Italy for labelling, then reimported to the UK because they then gain a subsidy. What about all the pollution caused by the lorry transprot over those distances? All unneccessary. All part of the EC madness. Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tragedy"  is not really the right word in my opinion.  This and other similar things are simply the result of pre-programmed catastrophes waiting to happen.   Keeping massive quantities of livestock in unsuitable conditions, feeding them on questionable substances, well laced with all sorts of growth hormones, including various other wide-band medication, legal and otherwise, all in the name of profit. Is the main reason for such outbreaks. Couple this with the "free-trade" in such stuff, and you have the perfect scenario for a catastrophe.

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Does Dwight Lyons have a web site? Big Dale

Brain fart on my part, sorry I did not post it originally. http://www.teleport.com/~lyons/ — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Now that I’ve gotten a couple of years fishing under my belt, I’ve determined that I like fishing a slower action rod.   Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Hey maybe you can find a fiberglass rod you like, then you can really save some bucks.  I think Winston makes some, but that’s not exactly what I had in mind by saving a few bucks Regards, Jeff

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Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Don’t try a Scott G-series rod unless you are willing to spend a few bucks. Big Dale

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ROFFians: Now that I’ve gotten a couple of years fishing under my belt, I’ve determined that I like fishing a slower action rod. Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Thanks much!

If money is no object and you want graphite there are only three choices inspite of all the suggestions you have recieved… They would be the: Winston Tom Morgan Favorite 8′ Four weight or any other Winston IM6 Series Trout rod. (note the 5 pc models are not moderate) Thomas and Thomas Paradigm Series Scott Powerply Series Money an object look at the Orvis Silver Label Mid Flex or if you want to try Glass Winston, Hardy, and Scott make nice ones but I recommend some glass rods sold by a Cane Rod maker in Oregon named Dwight Lyons. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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I agree with Ken and Peter on the Orvis Superfine/Silver Label full flex models.  I have a Silver Label 792 (2wt, 7′9") and absolutely love it.  Like you, I prefer more moderate actions.  Some of the full flex versions of the Silver Labels are the exact same blank as the more expensive Superfines. Winston, T&T, Scott, Powell etc. are all outstanding though they will severely lighten the wallet. Another one worth checking into is the Sage DS2 series…..maybe a bit faster than the Orvis full flex models but still quite moderate. Tight Lines! Natty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Janik) … I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Orvis Superfine (save some bucks and get the Silver Label version).     – Ken I second this – Orvis Far n’ Fine 7′ 9" in the silver label version – not expensive, unconditional warranty and one of the best all-round trout rods ever made for small to mid sized streams.  Throws a DT-4 quite well too.  We’ve had five of this series in the family and only one was less than satisfactory (3 wt. Tippet.)  If you’re interested in a 4 wt., then try the 7/11. If you’re planning on spending a bit more and fishing small streams then the Hardy Perfection E Glass 4 wt. 7′ 6" should be on your list. Walt at ezflyfish.com can give you the details.  I have the 6′ 6" 3 wt. version – fabulous little rod for tight, little streams.  I hear that its bigger brother is just as nice. Scott, Winston, and East Branch all have very good rods with medium – slow action as well. Peter

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How slow is slow?  I have a Sage DS that I love.  It is listed as a "medium" action, I think, by Sage.  It is slower that any other Sage other than the discontinued LL series.  The price for a 4 piece is about $250.00.  A great rod to try. Chris Brown

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some glass rods sold by a Cane Rod maker in Oregon named Dwight Lyons.

Does Dwight Lyons have a web site? Big Dale

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Hi All, This is a common thing in trout fly fishing. Normally, the more you fish, the better you cast. Now you can cast slower rods, so you move more in that direction. Most will cast the lightest, softest rod that will allow them to get the fly to the fish. This will allow you to land larger fish on lighter tippets.  This is not true for everyone, but it is a standard event around our shop in Sacramento, California, USA. Some softer rods: Loomis GL2, Sage SPL, Sage SP, Winston IM6, Scott G series……. Many companies will have a faster series and a slower series like ‘Thomas & Thomas’. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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ROFFians: Now that I’ve gotten a couple of years fishing under my belt, I’ve determined that I like fishing a slower action rod.   Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Thanks much!

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… I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Winston. — Ken Fortenberry

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I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Scott G Series are moderate action and their Fibertouch are slow. — Charlie…

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… I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Orvis Superfine (save some bucks and get the Silver Label version).      - Ken — "If any of you cry at my funeral, I’ll never speak to you again!"                                      - Stan Laurel

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… I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Orvis Superfine (save some bucks and get the Silver Label version).     – Ken

I second this – Orvis Far n’ Fine 7′ 9" in the silver label version – not expensive, unconditional warranty and one of the best all-round trout rods ever made for small to mid sized streams.  Throws a DT-4 quite well too.  We’ve had five of this series in the family and only one was less than satisfactory (3 wt. Tippet.)  If you’re interested in a 4 wt., then try the 7/11. If you’re planning on spending a bit more and fishing small streams then the Hardy Perfection E Glass 4 wt. 7′ 6" should be on your list. Walt at ezflyfish.com can give you the details.  I have the 6′ 6" 3 wt. version – fabulous little rod for tight, little streams.  I hear that its bigger brother is just as nice. Scott, Winston, and East Branch all have very good rods with medium – slow action as well. Peter

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Thanks Possibly I can get a answer from IGFA before we go. I can almost see it going either way – Actually I guess its not very different from the way most tube flies are constructed since the head and front fly is mounted on the shock tippet. On my tubes I am using 90# wire with the 2nd tube between the 2 tandem hooks and then attaching the leading hook to the shock with a cinch knot and placing  a foam head and the leading tube mounted on the shock tippet. I am using owner AKI’s so the snelling doesn’t work – they don’t have turned up eyes like the octopus hooks he’s using. He’s not really planning on conforming to IGFA anyways and is planning to use 3-4′ shocks. I was just intrigued by the simplicity of his rigs. On the landing: On all my gear trips the standard has been to "leader" a billfish to boat to be released or brought in for pictures, but on standard gear the leader is like 10′ long.  I am planning to use about 4′-5′ total leader including class and shock. I seem to recall reading somewhere, or being told by a captain, that a billfish was "caught" or the "landing phase starts" when either the leader or class tippet went inside the first guide or something. After that the mate could leader the fish  to control it while gaffing, netting, billing  or releasing. Reeling down to the class shouldn’t be a major problem, but trying to "leader" a billfish at 3′-4′ sounds very dangerous. On most of my other offshore flyfishing experiences we were either gaffing or netting the fish so, it wasn’t much of an issue using very short leaders. I hope to get to read an actual IGFA book this weekend – maybe it will clarify the specifics. Thanks again for the info.

  Hello   I also submitted this question to the Igfa site under construction but I   don’t know if they are set up to give responses yet.     I was wondering what the IGFA states concerning Shock tippets and tandem   flies.     It’s my understanding that the shock tippet length can be up to 12" to the   eye of the leading hook on a tandem fly and the max distance between tandem   hooks on a fly is 6" eye to eye.     1. Does the shock tippet require a separate connection at the fly or can the   shock leader be snelled to the first hook then the tag end of the same line   be attached to the back hook?  That would total 18" of the same shock   tippet – class to trailing hook.   If I understand what you mean, no.  The best rule of thumb is to use tackle that   won’t raise eyebrows, i.e., "usual and customary" (and taint a record with the   "technical record" charge).     A friend of mine is rigging some flies like this for Billfish.  Although the   fly would only have "one shot" (until the shock tippet was damaged) the   connection is very clean, straight running, and seems to give an extra 6" of   shock.   See above.       Also I have another nagging basic question.   2. When is a fish considered "caught" on fly gear – so someone else can   touch the line or leader  and assist in the landing or releasing the fish.   Is the when the leader goes in the rod tip? the class line, the shock?   something else?   Absolutely no touching the leader before the fish is "landed" and only in   gaffing or netting.  If someone else helps before the fish is brought to gaff,   DQ.   The above is solely my opinion, based on my knowledge only (I’ve read the rules,   and have only a passing knowledge, I don’t fish for record/trophy anymore).  If   you are going for record, you captain should have a working and ready knowledge,   as well as a copy of the rulebook to refer to.  If you are going on a bareboat   for record, get a copy of the rules from the IGFA (they are in Ft. Lauderdale –   561 area code).   HTH?   R

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Thanks   Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online?   I tried www.igfa.org  - under construction   Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages?   Thanks     Google turned up this one:   http://www.wolfffishing.com/ingamfisasru.html   —   Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I also summited this question to the Igfa site under construction but I don’t know if they are set up to give responces yet. I was wondering what the IGFA states concerning Shock tippets and tandem flies. It’s my understanding that the shock tippet length can be up to 12" to the eye of the leading hook on a tandem fly and the max distance between tandem hooks on a fly is 6" eye to eye. 1. Does the shock tippet require a separate connection at the fly or can the shock leader be snelled to the first hook then the tag end of the same line be attached to the back hook?  That would total 18" of the same shock tippet – class to trailing hook.

If I understand what you mean, no.  THe best rule of thumb is to use tackle that won’t raise eyebrows, i.e., "usual and customary" (and taint a record with the "technical record" charge). A friend of mine is rigging some flies like this for Billfish.  Although the fly would only have "one shot" (until the shock tippet was damaged) the connection is very clean, straight running, and seems to give an extra 6" of shock.

See above. Also I have another nagging basic question. 2. When is a fish considered "caught" on fly gear – so someone else can touch the line or leader  and assist in the landing or releasing the fish. Is the when the leader goes in the rod tip? the class line, the shock? something else?

Absolutely no touching the leader before the fish is "landed" and only in gaffing or netting.  If someone else helps before the fish is brought to gaff, DQ. The above is solely my opinion, based on my knowledge only (I’ve read the rules, and have only a passing knowledge, I don’t fish for record/trophy anymore).  If you are going for record, you captain should have a working and ready knowledge, as well as a copy of the rulebook to refer to.  If you are going on a bareboat for record, get a copy of the rules from the IGFA (they are in Ft. Lauderdale – 561 area code). HTH? R

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Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org  - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks

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Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org  - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks

No, but rule did you need info on? R

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Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org  - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks

Google turned up this one: http://www.wolfffishing.com/ingamfisasru.html — Charlie…

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Hello I also summited this question to the Igfa site under construction but I don’t know if they are set up to give responces yet. I was wondering what the IGFA states concerning Shock tippets and tandem flies. It’s my understanding that the shock tippet length can be up to 12" to the eye of the leading hook on a tandem fly and the max distance between tandem hooks on a fly is 6" eye to eye. 1. Does the shock tippet require a separate connection at the fly or can the shock leader be snelled to the first hook then the tag end of the same line be attached to the back hook?  That would total 18" of the same shock tippet – class to trailing hook. A friend of mine is rigging some flies like this for Billfish.  Although the fly would only have "one shot" (until the shock tippet was damaged) the connection is very clean, straight running, and seems to give an extra 6" of shock. Also I have another nagging basic question. 2. When is a fish considered "caught" on fly gear – so someone else can touch the line or leader  and assist in the landing or releasing the fish. Is the when the leader goes in the rod tip? the class line, the shock? something else? Thanks for any insights you might have on these questions Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org  - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks

No, but rule did you need info on? R

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The old needle nose pliers work fine for #14 and larger hooks … but for the small stuff … like #20’s … need something else … what tools are being used for this purpose by the tiers out there …. John

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John, I have a pair of miniature needle nose pliers which I keep in my fly tying box for this purpose.  I bend the barb down before tying the fly because some times the hook breaks.  When on the stream I use my forceps.  Keep the hook near the hinges so you have enough leverage. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The old needle nose pliers work fine for #14 and larger hooks … but for the small stuff … like #20’s … need something else … what tools are being used for this purpose by the tiers out there …. John

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John- Try going to an electronics shop or a hobby/craft store and buy a pair of smooth jawed needlenose pliers with the spring between the handles to hold the jaws open. Larry #:)#

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: The old needle nose pliers work fine for #14 and larger hooks … but for : the small stuff … like #20’s … need something else … what tools are : being used for this purpose by the tiers out there …. John : : A medium or small set of hemostats works fine for most sizes of hooks. For some of the Japanese hooks with very small barbs, you can use a hook hone or file.  For big hooks I use a set of miniature channel locks, also sold by Sears as ignition pliers.  They’re especially useful on Bass Bug hooks and the large offset shank hooks used for Texas rigging worms and grubs. And they are much more useful than needle nose pliers for small nuts and bolts or straightening buzzbait and spinnerbait wires, unclamping sinkers, or fixing the motor. BG

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If only the manufacturers were willing to make a far better selection of barbless hooks, then perhaps this wouldn’t even be an issue. I’m often disappointed at the lack of barbless hooks available our local shops. RG : The old needle nose pliers work fine for #14 and larger hooks … but for : the small stuff … like #20’s … need something else … what tools are : being used for this purpose by the tiers out there …. John

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Greetings, John : : The old needle nose pliers work fine for #14 and larger hooks … but for : the small stuff … like #20’s … need something else … what tools are : being used for this purpose by the tiers out there …. John

  You might go to your friendly neighborhood jewelry store and ask them to order you a pair of really smooth, well-aligned jewelers needle-nose pliers.  If they do any kind of repair or fabrication at all, they should have a catalog of jewelers tools for you to look at.  These pliers are available in some really small sizes, and will do the job on all your tiny hooks.  This is what I use.  Expect to pay around $17 or $20 bucks for quality pliers, but they will last you forever….   Cheers, and happy tying,   -Mark

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Never been to Alaska…..But I’m very interested in going this summer toseethe sights and get in some fishing….I hear it is unbelievable! Can someone share information about their trips and make suggestionsforsomeone that has never been there before?  Where in Alaska to go? Motorhome rentals? Lodge rentals? Fishing vacation packages? Fishing Guides? Best time of year to go? Etc.

When I was there it was August and the fishing was fantastic!  We had some business to attend to in Anchorage, but were able to mix in 2 and 1/2 days fishing in Seward (about 2 1/2 hours south of Anchorage).  We fished in the Silver Salmon Derby and I actually had one fish that was in the top 15 fish on the first day, but didn’t stay there very long.  I would like to go back in late May/early June to get in on some of the barn door size halibut.  The days are so long you can fish almost 24 hours a day…it’s really a novel experience.  We fished on a Thu. afternoon and were scheduled to fish again Fri, but by the time the boat got in Thu (around 9 pm) and we got the fish cleaned and stowed at the packing company then had some dinner it was well after midnight.  Since we had to be back at 7 am to fish in Seward it made no sense to go back to Anchorage (5 hour round trip) so we started to look for a hotel.  Since the derby was going on the 2 hotels were all booked up.  So we did what a lot of folks do…3 of us spent the night in the rental car – at least it was an Explorer and had some room.  We fished until late afternoon on Friday, rushed back to Anchorage, packed our bags and just made our flight Friday night.  Dog tired…but worth every minute.  I can’t wait to go back. Brian Raines Publisher, TheChesapeakeBay.com http://TheChesapeakeBay.com

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Alaska is definitely ALL it’s cracked up to be.   Last year we fished for king salmon on the Talkeetna River and halibut out of Homer.   We stayed mostly in B&B’s, but rented cabins in several locations.  We were there in late June and early July, and found the weather to be perfect.   There are many good packages, but we just did our own thing with quite a bit of internet research in advance.    It sounds like most of the higher priced lodgings in Anchorage will provide fish storage.  But for us more rustic accomodation seekers, it seems the best advice I’ve gotten so far is the airport storage facility which can be reached at 907-248-3485.   Thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice.  If I can help anyone with Alaska plans, would be glad to.  Marcia

  What kind of prices did you pay for the B&B’s and the cabins? Bill

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The B&B’s we stayed in ranged from $70 to $100 per night, the cabins  were $70 – $125.  These prices were for 2 people, although most places had room for extra people for $10 to $20 each per night.   I’m going with a group of 6 people this summer.   Our costs per night range from $150. to a high of $256. for all 6.   These prices usually include a full breakfast.     Marcia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  What kind of prices did you pay for the B&B’s and the cabins? Bill

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Never been to Alaska…..But I’m very interested in going this summer to see the sights and get in some fishing….I hear it is unbelievable! Can someone share information about their trips and make suggestions for someone that has never been there before?  Where in Alaska to go? Motorhome rentals? Lodge rentals? Fishing vacation packages? Fishing Guides? Best time of year to go? Etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I went to Alaska and fished I had the lodge pack and freeze the fish before I flew out.  Then when I got to my hotel in Anchorage they had a locker that they put the whole box in overnight.  Most hotels have this kind of facility for anglers and hunters.  Ewok I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

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Alaska is definitely ALL it’s cracked up to be.   Last year we fished for king salmon on the Talkeetna River and halibut out of Homer.   We stayed mostly in B&B’s, but rented cabins in several locations.  We were there in late June and early July, and found the weather to be perfect.   There are many good packages, but we just did our own thing with quite a bit of internet research in advance.    It sounds like most of the higher priced lodgings in Anchorage will provide fish storage.  But for us more rustic accomodation seekers, it seems the best advice I’ve gotten so far is the airport storage facility which can be reached at 907-248-3485.   Thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice.  If I can help anyone with Alaska plans, would be glad to.  Marcia

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I lead fishing tours in AK every year and the easiest place for your to do overnight storage is at the Anchorage Airport freezer locker.  There is a small fee for this but it is really convenient. If you need to have charters set up or information in the Kenai Penninsula, Homer or highway road to Denali, please feel free to email me at Michael Milne, Owner Outdoor Odyssey

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When I went to Alaska and fished I had the lodge pack and freeze the fish before I flew out.  Then when I got to my hotel in Anchorage they had a locker that they put the whole box in overnight.  Most hotels have this kind of facility for anglers and hunters.  Ewok – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

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Marcia, We fished in Seward two summers ago for a 5 day stretch – mixed up with some business in between.  (Seward is about 2 1/2 hours south of Anchorage)  At the dock there was a company that would vacuum pack your fish, quick freeze and store them and then ship them to you AFTER you left for home.  Worked great for us, even if the fish thawed slightly during shipping they were vacuum packed. We had around 80-100 lbs of halibut and salmon shipped from Alaska to our home on the East Coast in August and it worked great!  I would recommend this course of action highly. Best of luck… Brian Raines Publisher, TheChesapeakeBay.com http://TheChesapeakeBay.com I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

Brian Raines Publisher, TheChesapeakeBay.com http://TheChesapeakeBay.com

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I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

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Hello, I am new to Georgia, northwest of Atlanta (between Marietta and Roswell to be exact). Can anyone tell me if there is a flyfishing club in this area? Also, I am also looking for information on float trips in Georgia, Tenn., Carolinas, or Kentucky. I am originally from the Green Country Fly Fishers Club in Bartlesville, OK. Dave Whitlock was on of the founding members there 25 years ago. Eric

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Hello, I am new to Georgia, northwest of Atlanta (between Marietta and Roswell to be exact). Can anyone tell me if there is a flyfishing club in this area? Also, I am also looking for information on float trips in Georgia, Tenn., Carolinas, or Kentucky. I am originally from the Green Country Fly Fishers Club in Bartlesville, OK. Dave Whitlock was on of the founding members there 25 years ago. Eric

there.  You should give him a call Eric. George —

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| Can anyone suggest the name/number of a good guide in that area.  If | you don’t know of a guide, can someone send me the name of a tackle | shop in Williamsport (information does not have a yellow page | look-up). I don’t personally know guides in Williamsport, but I know of two fly shops: The Pennsylvania Outdoor Warehouse, and E. Hille Angling Supplies. I’m sure one/both of them would be able to help, Fred P.S. Almost forgot; Barry and Cathy Beck have "Beckies Angling Supplies"      in nearby Benton, PA. on the banks of Fishing Creek. They’re both      world-renouned anglers, and I believe they provide a guide service      thru the shop. Yes, they would definitely be the folks to contact      in the Williamsport area… —         Fred L. Templin

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I am going to Williamsport, PA on 4/29 – 5/1 to work.  My wife is coming along and wants to do some fly fishing on Sat (4/30).  As it’s her birthday, I want to get her a guided trip. Can anyone suggest the name/number of a good guide in that area.  If you don’t know of a guide, can someone send me the name of a tackle shop in Williamsport (information does not have a yellow page look-up).  I would call my contact for the job, except he lives too far from Williamsport. Thanks for any assistance.   Jim Impara ps We are going to the Keys (Marathon — staying at Rainbow Bend Resort) next week.  Also connected with a work trip.  We have booked the boat Pursuit (Capt Frank Waters) for a 1/2 day trip.  Hope the Mahi Mahi are in.  We will do some close in fishing (around bridges and such) during the rest of the week.  If we have a good catch, I’ll post a note.

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