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I’m a little confused by how a braided loop failure could cause the loss of a fly line, unless you use a loop-to-loop connection between your line and backing.

Actually, I use them there too. I can see if you didn’t fasten it on good it could get pushed off by a guide as the line went into the backing. I use thread and Aquaseal to fasten the end of the connector on instead of the shrink tubing partly for that reason. — Charlie…

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Hello Dave, A pretty standard way to connect leaders to floating freshwater fly lines is to needle-nail knot on a butt section of mono first. The section should be around 2/3 the diameter of the end of your fly line and at least the same diameter of the butt of the tapered leader being used. Averagely this is 25# mono that is around .021", but this can vary depending on the diameter of the end or point of the floating line used. I have seen butts used from 6" to 18" but a foot long is pretty average. Sunset "Amnesia" shooting line, Hal Janssen "Leader Control" (clear Amnesia) or Maxima "Ultra Green" are some popular mono around here for fresh water butts. Some will put a small perfection loop on the end of the butt or some will use a 3 or 4 turn blood knot to attach their knotless tapered leader. Your local fly shop should be able to show you how this is done. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After hearing lots of negative comments about the loop connectors that come with some lines (Orvis), and noticing that my line tips tend to sink a bit, I’ve decided to experiment and replace the loop connectors with a short length of nail-knotted leader ending in a small loop. The question:  What length, weight, type, even brands of leaders would be best for this?  I’m sure the answer is related to the weight and type of flyline the leader is being attached to — I’d be making this changeover on the following: Orvis wf 5 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating bass line. Thanks for your help! Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After hearing lots of negative comments about the loop connectors that come with some lines (Orvis), and noticing that my line tips tend to sink a bit, I’ve decided to experiment and replace the loop connectors with a short length of nail-knotted leader ending in a small loop. The question:  What length, weight, type, even brands of leaders would be best for this?  I’m sure the answer is related to the weight and type of flyline the leader is being attached to — I’d be making this changeover on the following: Orvis wf 5 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating bass line. Thanks for your help! Dave I use a nail knot to tie my leader directly to the fly line. I hate the braided loops. Particularly after after one failed and I lost a fly line and a striper size XXL. Paul

I’m a little confused by how a braided loop failure could cause the loss of a fly line, unless you use a loop-to-loop connection between your line and backing. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] I use a nail knot to tie my leader directly to the fly line. I hate the braided loops. Particularly after after one failed and I lost a fly line and a striper size XXL. Paul I’m a little confused by how a braided loop failure could cause the loss of a fly line, unless you use a loop-to-loop connection between your line and backing.

It was a shooting head to running line. The fish decided it was too close to the boat. It took off and on the way throught the guides the shrink tube that keeps the braid from fraying must have hit a guide that released the tension on the braid and bye bye fish and shooting head. I went home and cut off all the braided loops from all my lines and tied nail knots on all leader and backing to fly line connections. Haven’t had a problem in the 9 years since I did that. Paul

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I did exactly that . . . I got rid of the braided connectors and went to the mono nail knot/perfection loop. Mine is about 4 inches in length as attached. I used the backend of a leader that I commonly use. I figured it should be similar to the leader material in weight and make up, so I used one! At this point, I wont go back to the braided connectors. I did it to the following: Orvis Wonderline WF 5wt SA Mastery Series GPX WF 5wt I am also planning on using this method on my 7wt when I get the rod built!! Wayne says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After hearing lots of negative comments about the loop connectors that come with some lines (Orvis), and noticing that my line tips tend to sink a bit, I’ve decided to experiment and replace the loop connectors with a short length of nail-knotted leader ending in a small loop. The question:  What length, weight, type, even brands of leaders would be best for this?  I’m sure the answer is related to the weight and type of flyline the leader is being attached to — I’d be making this changeover on the following: Orvis wf 5 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating bass line. Thanks for your help! Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After hearing lots of negative comments about the loop connectors that come with some lines (Orvis), and noticing that my line tips tend to sink a bit, I’ve decided to experiment and replace the loop connectors with a short length of nail-knotted leader ending in a small loop. The question:  What length, weight, type, even brands of leaders would be best for this?  I’m sure the answer is related to the weight and type of flyline the leader is being attached to — I’d be making this changeover on the following: Orvis wf 5 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating bass line. Thanks for your help! Dave

I use a nail knot to tie my leader directly to the fly line. I hate the braided loops. Particularly after after one failed and I lost a fly line and a striper size XXL. Paul

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My floating lines are set up with braided loops and nail knotted mono/perfection loops on the sinking ones.  Braided loops can trap air and hold the tip of a sinking line up.  I once used one on a Type 5 sinktip only to see the belly two foot down and the tip on the surface.  Since then all sinking lines have been mono only.  As Ken mentioned, they should be as short as practical and roughly  two thirds the thickness of the tip or about mid way in thickness between the leader butt and line tip. All braided loops will fail if they are not installed properly.  The end of the floating fly line should be sealed with glue to prevent the ingress of water that would cause the tip to sink.  The tip of the line should be inserted fully into the sleeve and as far as possible into the doubled over section of the loop.  A nail knot should be tied on the opposite end of the sleeve, securing it to the line.  The heat shrink tubing should be placed over the knot and the end of the sleeve to prevent fraying as well as smoothing its passage through the guides.  Glue shouldn’t be used on the sleeve as it can make it brittle and prone to breakage.  Braided loops should be periodically checked for fraying. Both loop system can fail, even when well installed.  Enough pressure can break a braided loop, pull a nail knot off the line, or break a perfection loop.  The trick is to make sure that the transition loop isn’t the weakest link.  A properly installed braided loop provide superior turnover due to their inherent stiffness when properly installed and are especially suited to use with heavy sinking leaders like Airflo Polyleaders.  Their tendency to float helps keep the tips of floating lines up plus they can also serve as strike indicators if you use a bright coloured heat shrink tube. HTH Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Bill, After a phone conversation with your staff about 3 weeks ago, I went to the nail knot/surgeon’s or perfection loop set-up for all my saltwater rigs.  I also shortened my Orvis 38 ft. shooting head to 30 ft. per their suggestion and casting improved tremendously.  I kept trying to buy some shooting heads from those guys and they insisted I check locally to see what was being used successfully.  I have to say they ended up getting me steered in the right directions on a number of saltwater options.  I would suggest though, that east coast fishing setups  can be related to west coast fishing setups through water temperatures. Might broaden your sales base?? — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Dave, A pretty standard way to connect leaders to floating freshwater fly lines is to needle-nail knot on a butt section of mono first. The section should be around 2/3 the diameter of the end of your fly line and at least the same diameter of the butt of the tapered leader being used. Averagely this is 25# mono that is around .021", but this can vary depending on the diameter of the end or point of the floating line used. I have seen butts used from 6" to 18" but a foot long is pretty average. Sunset "Amnesia" shooting line, Hal Janssen "Leader Control" (clear Amnesia) or Maxima "Ultra Green" are some popular mono around here for fresh water butts. Some will put a small perfection loop on the end of the butt or some will use a 3 or 4 turn blood knot to attach their knotless tapered leader. Your local fly shop should be able to show you how this is done. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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After hearing lots of negative comments about the loop connectors that come with some lines (Orvis), and noticing that my line tips tend to sink a bit, I’ve decided to experiment and replace the loop connectors with a short length of nail-knotted leader ending in a small loop. The question:  What length, weight, type, even brands of leaders would be best for this?  I’m sure the answer is related to the weight and type of flyline the leader is being attached to — I’d be making this changeover on the following: Orvis wf 5 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating trout line Wonderline wf 6 wt floating bass line. Thanks for your help! Dave

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… The question:  What length, weight, type, even brands of leaders would be best for this?  …

I use the nail knot/perfection loop setup on my 5wts. I like Orvis Super Strong and find that .019 matches up with my 5wt lines. Most anything in the range of .017 to .021 would work. As for the length, I make it as short as  I possibly can and still tie a perfection loop. — Ken Fortenberry

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I have a Leki "Wanderfraund" (my German spelling is bad) which I saw in a shop window in Germany and bought from Leki in the US.  It telescopes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (apologies if this shows up twice) … I use Folstaff wading staffs for flyfishing in streams, they are collapsible and very sturdy, yet lightweight.  Folstaffs fit into a holster you slip onto pack belts. I could use a good folding staff for hiking on established trails (and some bushwhacking).   And could certainly go with the Folstaff, but I’m wondering however if there are other makes/models of collapsible models to research first ? thanks in advance, Sue Colorado Before you buy.

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(apologies if this shows up twice) … I use Folstaff wading staffs for flyfishing in streams, they are collapsible and very sturdy, yet lightweight.  Folstaffs fit into a holster you slip onto pack belts. I could use a good folding staff for hiking on established trails (and some bushwhacking).   And could certainly go with the Folstaff, but I’m wondering however if there are other makes/models of collapsible models to research first ? thanks in advance, Sue Colorado Before you buy.

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As somebody else already mentioned in the thread,a loop in the leader to tippet connection is a bad idea.If you plan on making any type of technical presentation whatsoever a looped tippet will not be responsive.Heck,most dryfly fishing gurus recommend that you don’t use a loop anywhere in your leader because of the effect it has on presentation.The minimal amount of money or line that you would save with a replaceable tippet would not be worth the loss in accuracy.

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Hi Fly2bass, I never really thought about it since I do not use loop connectors, except for line to leader.  But does this mean that the braided leader systems are not a good thing?  This is the only case where I have seen loop to loop connection for the leader to tippet. — Fritz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As somebody else already mentioned in the thread,a loop in the leader to tippet connection is a bad idea.If you plan on making any type of technical presentation whatsoever a looped tippet will not be responsive.Heck,most dryfly fishing gurus recommend that you don’t use a loop anywhere in your leader because of the effect it has on presentation.The minimal amount of money or line that you would save with a replaceable tippet would not be worth the loss in accuracy.

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<Rant on – I believe the origninator of this thread was Greg Wood.  Greg, I flat cannot believe that a looped tippet connection has ANY negative effect on presentation, dry fly or otherwise.  This is based on a fair amount of experience with these connections.  I do hope you try the looped system and report here what you conclude from the experiment.  I would consider THAT useful information.  That kind of information is what I read this newsgroup for.  Don’t worry about the gushing negativity based on heresy. – Rant off Hi Fitz, I haven’t tried the Orvis system yet because I can’t see what advantage the Orvis system might offer over more conventional setups.  Still, I plan to give em a try next time I place an order with Orvis, simply because I am curious. Always looking for a better way to do things.  Does anyone out there who has actually tried the Ovis leader system like it?  If not, Why? You would see more examples of loop-to-loop rigging if you read the saltwater literature or talked to people that fish the salt.  Lefty Kreh is the most widely known advocate of loop connections that I can name. I hesitate to use his name because last time I said "Lefty does it " I drew hostile fire.   I don’t know how widespread the practice is but it does have a following. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Fly2bass, I never really thought about it since I do not use loop connectors, except for line to leader.  But does this mean that the braided leader systems are not a good thing?  This is the only case where I have seen loop to loop connection for the leader to tippet. — Fritz As somebody else already mentioned in the thread,a loop in the leader to tippet connection is a bad idea.If you plan on making any type of technical presentation whatsoever a looped tippet will not be responsive.Heck,most dryfly fishing gurus recommend that you don’t use a loop anywhere in your leader because of the effect it has on presentation.The minimal amount of money or line that you would save with a replaceable tippet would not be worth the loss in accuracy.

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John A Schroeder writes:

(snip) I haven’t tried the Orvis system yet because I can’t see what advantage the Orvis system might offer over more conventional setups.  Still, I plan to give em a try next time I place an order with Orvis, simply because I am curious. Always looking for a better way to do things.  Does anyone out there who has actually tried the Ovis leader system like it?  If not, Why?

I have used the braided loop on the line to a perfection loop on the leader, and it certainly didn’t stop me from catching fish.  But, if the braided loop is put on incorrectly, it could "hinge".  This happeded to me once and I simply snipped it off and put a new one on – worked fine after that.   I also use a nail knot connection on my lighter weight rods and do not notice a difference.   I think that the biggest objection to the loop to loop is that Orvis is known for putting the loop on the fly line. Dave LaCourse "We can’t change the winds, but….. we can adjust our sails!!"

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Day Tripper: The tap dancing is pretty close, but my VP banned those sneakers from the Tech Center for the duration ;^) /daytripper (another day done – two more to go…sigh…) See you at the currents on Monday or Tuesday?  Peter is leaving on Wednesday, so you only have those two days.

I’m working on it! The SO is tripping down to NYC for a vacation with a gaggle of her sisters (she is one of 6!) so I have to convince at least one of my sons to hang around the homestead to take care of Opey The Wonder Lab. Assuming threats of being cut out of my will have the desired effect (and I get the front forty mowed in Franconia) I may magically appear…You never know… I’ll pack the mountain bike and would come in through the front gate – just in case the Lovely Joanne tells me you’ve gone down to Lower. I ain’t chasing you up and down the river on foot again! I’ll also pack a flare gun – just in case George decides to rent a float plane and try to land on Pondy. Wing tanks light up pretty easily… /daytripper ;^)

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Day tripper: <<I’ll pack the mountain bike and would come in through the front gate We will be in Sanborn, the 2nd cabin down from Jerry Smith’s. I took your advice and bought some neoprene booties for wet wading. I am concerned that the water temp is going to be too warm in the "best" spots.  Streamer chucking at the end of the currents may be the only fishing. See you next week, hopefully.  Don’t be amazed when you see Peter cast. Dave LaCourse

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<g  It’s the Canadian French in me, Levi.  Some people on these pages don’t like Canadians, much less the French ones.  d;0) Besides, wayno has been calling me LaPlac for ages and it will be tough to change. Dave LaCourse

And besides, LaPlac is French too. Peter Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Test. Dave LaCourse

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The Choc Man writes:

<<Are you the "LaCrosse" guy George was talking about? Without the "e",  I am but a pigment of his imagination. Dave LaCourse

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The Choc Man writes: <<Are you the "LaCrosse" guy George was talking about? Without the "e",  I am but a pigment of his imagination.

But Dave – he blessed you with an extra "s"! (George must’ve been feeling magnanimous ;^) /daytripper

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I see you changed your last name from PLaC to LaCourse.  I hope you don’t expect everyone to start spelling it right now Test. Dave LaCourse

– Levi All Americans believe that they are born fishermen. For a man to admit to a distaste for fishing would be like denouncing mother-love and hating moonlight.  John Steinbeck 1954

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Levi writes:

<<I see you changed your last name from PLaC to LaCourse.  I hope you don’t expect everyone to start spelling it right now <g  It’s the Canadian French in me, Levi.  Some people on these pages don’t like Canadians, much less the French ones.  d;0) Besides, wayno has been calling me LaPlac for ages and it will be tough to change. Dave LaCourse

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It’s the Canadian French in me, Levi.  Some people on these pages don’t like Canadians, much less the French ones.  (Blah Blah Blah) No no no. Here in the states, we love Canadians. After all, where would we find great hockey players who are willing to smile on camera with busted up teeth. That requires more balls then most. It’s the French we don’t like. I think it’s because the women don’t shave there armpits

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_______ I spent so much money today . . . buying the final Bastard Assembly Line Items, I don’t know how MUCH the Certified Check was for, but just the ink on it weighted 3 pounds.  (From what Gladys says)  The postage to send it Priority Mail cost her $22! I do know this.  Bastards are going to be worth every bit of $1800 – $2400 dollars right out of the starting blocks.  That I’m crazy enough to offer them for $300 as an introductory challenge to the world of fly fishing, does NOT mean I’m forced to hold these prices forever. Why don’t you guys move the conclave to here and help me build your fly rods? Today it is a steady, cold, spring rain.  My fax machine blew up.  Had to buy a new one.  Just now finished hooking it up. This was AFTER we mailed that BIG check. See your Grand American & Bastard Updates.  Order a reel with that Bastard Beauty that you have coming.  You only live once.  This is what a lot of you are doing. Visit: http://www.gink.com I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.

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_______ I spe I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.

 George…you’re askin the wrong guy. I lose more damn balls than a schizoid squirel loses nuts. Hell, last time out I lost 18 damn balls in one round. I’d smack my tee shot and lose sight of the dang thing. After ’bout 4 hours of this crap I headed for the bar.  About 15 minutes later this guy walked in with his wife and gave me my damn 18 titleists back. He said, it’s proper golf ettiquette to remove the ball from the holes after you sink ‘em. Go figure. Waldo —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604       http://www.mercury.net/~wgwinter to view our ongoing auctions at Ebay, click below… http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=blue…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _______ I spe I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.  George…you’re askin the wrong guy. I lose more damn balls than a schizoid squirel loses nuts. Hell, last time out I lost 18 damn balls in one round. I’d smack my tee shot and lose sight of the dang thing. After ’bout 4 hours of this crap I headed for the bar.  About 15 minutes later this guy walked in with his wife and gave me my damn 18 titleists back. He said, it’s proper golf ettiquette to remove the ball from the holes after you sink ‘em. Go figure. Waldo

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Hi ! my name is Frank , I’m working in a fishing store here in canada , I have 5 years of flyfishing experience in streams , pounds , and lakes. I’m offering you the oportunity to buy fishing equipements via E-Mail (flyfishing or else) Just E-Mail me what you need and I’ll do my best to send it to you. (Sorry our catalog is not ready yet )

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Hi ! my name is Frank , I’m working in a fishing store here in canada , I have 5 years of flyfishing experience in streams , pounds , and lakes. I’m offering you the oportunity to buy fishing equipements via E-Mail (flyfishing or else)

Just a suggestion Frank:  Advertising in a discussion group is generally discouraged.  While your message was not really intrusive and you’re certainly not the only one here that has equipment to sell participating in the discussions here is going to go a long way to attracting customers rather then just soliciting for our business.   Al Beaty is a perfect example of this.  He contributes more to this (and the flytying) group then just about anyone and his signature has just a brief notice that he also is in the business of selling flyfishing equipment.  I am more likely to do business with him then someone that only solicits.  Now, if he’d just carry some of the stuff I’m looking for I might actually buy something from him. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Hi ! my name is Frank , I’m working in a fishing store here in canada , I have 5 years of flyfishing experience in streams , pounds , and lakes. I’m offering you the oportunity to buy fishing equipements via E-Mail (flyfishing or else)

5 years ? Shit Frank…i’ve stood at *one hole* for 5 years…waiting for a 10 year old fish ! Man…it took me 5 years just to tie one Tbone Streamer Special ! I use flylines that are twice that old…! TimW

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(Will) writes:

Yo, lighten up dude!! A guys got to start somewhere!!  Someone who’s been fishing for 1 week can still call himself a flyfisher! Darren.

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(Will) writes: Yo, lighten up dude!! A guys got to start somewhere!!  Someone who’s been fishing for 1 week can still call himself a flyfisher! Darren.

        yeah, and he can piss on my leg and tell me it’s rainin’, too.  but i’m not gonna let him get away with calling himself a thunderstorm.         a. wayne harrison

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We’ll be in southern Ontario at Sterling Lodge in late May.  Has anyone had any experience fly fishing for pike there?  If so, I’d appreciate any tips re: locations, flies, etc.  Thanks. — Keith Kriebel and Linda Wells

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We’ll be at Sterling Lodge in southern Ontario in late May.  Does anyone have experience fly fishing for pike there?  If so, I’d appreciate any information re: locations, flies, etc.  Thanks. — Keith Kriebel and Linda Wells

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What are the flyfishing opertunities in the Galveston area? I will be there the week of May 15 and am considering trying salt water flyfishing if there are possibilities. Is there a local shop that can provide information?

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As a Damn Yankee (and proud of it) who spends some time around Houston this is a question that interests me as well.  For f’fishing, try Orvis in Houston, Galleria area.  They’re helpful and friendly.  I’ve also been to Cut Rate Tackle, and they definitely cater to the salt water fisherman, though not so much w/flies.  Christmas Bay is supposed to be good, but I have the feeling that this is not particularly new information.

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| What are the flyfishing opertunities in the Galveston area? I will be there | the week of May 15 and am considering trying salt water flyfishing if there | are possibilities. Is there a local shop that can provide information? In Houston, there are some shops that could help you out. Orvis Houston 783-2111 Angler’s Edge 993-9981 Either one should be able to help you with information or advice on getting a guide. — Ray

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I will be taking a two week trip to the yukon canoeing down the Yukon river this summer and would like to know if anyone has done this before. I would like to fish for grayling, artic char etc and would appreciate hearing from anyone what flies & methods i should use. If anyone has done this trip fishing or not, please drop me a line

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be taking a two week trip to the yukon canoeing down the Yukon river this summer and would like to know if anyone has done this before. I would like to fish for grayling, artic char etc and would appreciate hearing from anyone what flies & methods i should use. If anyone has done this trip fishing or not, please drop me a line

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My Name: My, this reminds me of an incident that I wittnessed while I was stationed at Galena Air Force Station in 1963/64.  Galena is located on the banks of the Yukon river in central Alaska. I and some friends were drinking beer and cooking hamburgers/hotdogs one afternoon when we spied a canoe pulling up to shore where we were. As soon as the canoe was pulled up on shore the two occupants split at a trot in different directions without saying a word to us or each other. We got a good laugh out of this and continued eating and drinking. The next day I talked with one of the canoeists and he said that they had seen so much of each other and hardly no one else that they were ready to pitch in and fight each other and had been at each other’s throat for a while.  I guess they finally settled their differences as they left a day or two later in the canoe and together. The feude undoubtly arose out of the ever present bowman/sternman dispute. The bowman can’t pick a route and the sternman can’t steer. So don’t ( as they say in the Eastern Shore of Delaware ) "fall into a fight" with your partner. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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Looking for info on effectiveness of home page for a fly shop.  Trying to convince the local shop I haunt to go electronic.  How’s it working?

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Has anyone seen any Fly shops advertising on the net.  Please Email your answer to me as I can’t always use the net as often as I would like.  My Thanks Ken L.

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Hey Mike, Love to send you our Catalog on a Disk, just send me your Postal Address and we’ll get it right off.  Oh, by the way we will have our Home Page up and running in a very short time…2-3 weeks, Best regards, Tom and Lyle King of the Hill Fly Fishing Co. P.O. Box 304 Addison, IL 60101 1-800-FISH-670

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Hey Mike, Love to send you our Catalog on a Disk, just send me your Postal Address and we’ll get it right off.  Oh, by the way we will have our Home Page up and running in a very short time…2-3 weeks, Best regards, Tom and Lyle King of the Hill Fly Fishing Co. P.O. Box 304 Addison, IL 60101 1-800-FISH-670

I just wanted to mention that I received a catalog from Tom within just a few days after I sent him my address.  I thought the catalog was well laid out and very easy to use.  My bosses boss is also a die-hard flyfisherman (that has nothing to do why I work here) and  I showd it to him as well. His first comment was "I have no use for this. It doesn’t have any pictures." That may be something that you’ll want to keep in mind when creating the home page.  For example, he is in the market for a pontoon boat or high quality float tube.  There were several of them listed but without pictures or a description more than one line long it’s pretty difficult to select one of them. Overall I thought the catalog was pretty good.  It wasn’t all hype nor make any wild claims about "the lowest price in town" or any of that other marketing B.S.  It could use more work but it’s a good start. — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA "Ask me about my vow of silence."

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