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        Pickerel Jim has expressed a desire to invite a bunch of you fine fellas to a fly-fishing for carp rodeo… there’ll be prizes (beware of PJ offerings), and he will reserve the west wing of the Hyde-Away resort in Fairfield NC near Lake Mattamuskeet in Hyde County if enough hardy carp men (and women) sign up…  he seemed serious at the time, but the Bacardi Black was almost gone when the idea sprang forth from his grinnin jowls.  still, on a trip a few weeks ago we watched huge carp leaping about like mullet (mating, spawning behavior?) in a pretty back woods spot of more than a 100 acres of water that can be waded easily… had no idea how to fish for them at the time with equipment we had, but looks like it would be fun to hook ol Mr. Limpet… jeff jeff

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   Pickerel Jim has expressed a desire to invite a bunch of you fine fellas to a fly-fishing for carp rodeo… there’ll be prizes (beware of PJ offerings), and he will reserve the west wing of the Hyde-Away resort in Fairfield NC near Lake Mattamuskeet in Hyde County if enough hardy carp men (and women) sign up…  he seemed serious at the time, but the Bacardi Black was almost gone when the idea sprang forth from his grinnin jowls.  still, on a trip a few weeks ago we watched huge carp leaping about like mullet (mating, spawning behavior?) in a pretty back woods spot of more than a 100 acres of water that can be waded easily… had no idea how to fish for them at the time with equipment we had, but looks like it would be fun to hook ol Mr. Limpet… jeff

That is soooo tempting . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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You guys in Baja Oklahoma should know the difference between Sooners and Okies.   I can steer you to a few bars in Sooner land where calling people Okies won’t make you any friends. The original joke is about the wind in NoDak and it’s "Montana blows and Minnesota sucks".   Is "Pride in Ignorance" still the state moto of Texas. Can blame you for living in Oklahoma though. General Sherman was a smart feller, his only mistake was not burning enough of Georgia.

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BJC wrote… The original joke is about the wind in NoDak and it’s "Montana blows and Minnesota sucks".

Hey now, you are one going by "BJC" <bseg — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Big problem in Oklahoma as so many people migrate to Texas. Net effect is to increase the average IQ for both states. — Citizen Fisherman

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Sorry guy, just lashing out in pain.  To watch Nebraska go from #2 to #9 in the polls after being really beaten by any Florida based team (though I believe their parole officers are mostly out of state) just really hurts.  Don’t think Solich is gonna get to be a congressman if he keeps this up.         Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

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There is plenty of income tax in Kansas -Jeff

Um, I’m not sure of your point, other than perhaps agreeing in pain… TC, R but note – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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Can’t stand any Florida teams either. It’s like I told my Husker fan sister last night, those Miami guys are just too fast and better compensated.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry guy, just lashing out in pain.  To watch Nebraska go from #2 to #9 in the polls after being really beaten by any Florida based team (though I believe their parole officers are mostly out of state) just really hurts.  Don’t think Solich is gonna get to be a congressman if he keeps this up.         Frank Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

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If your going to steal a quote at least cite the source and get it right. It was Will Rogers and he said the  Okies raised the IQ of both California and Oklahoma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Big problem in Oklahoma as so many people migrate to Texas. Net effect is to increase the average IQ for both states. — Citizen Fisherman

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Them’s fightin’ words.  Go Huskers (and getting your red asses royally beat as we speak).     Three football fans were coming out of a party when they noticed a naked and very, very drunk woman passed out on her back on the front lawn of the local watering hole.  They covered her as best as they could with their hats and called the police.     The police officer took their statements and then, one by one, lifted the hats off the lady and identified the owners.  He took the Nebraska hat off of the left breast, I.D’ed the owner, and recovered the young lady, the Okie hat came off the right breast, ID’ed the owner and recovered the lady’s nakidity.  The officer then lifted the Kansas hat off of the ladies crotch, recovered it, lifted it again, recovered and then checked one more time.     The Kansas fan, slightly perturbed by the whole goings on asked if the policeman was some kind of prevert.  The policeofficer replied, "no, its just that most of the time, under a Kansas hat, I usually find and asshole." Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Them’s fightin’ words.  Go Huskers (and getting your red asses royally beat as we speak).     Three football fans were coming out of a party when they noticed a naked and very, very drunk woman passed out on her back on the front lawn of the local watering hole.  They covered her as best as they could with their hats and called the police.     The police officer took their statements and then, one by one, lifted the hats off the lady and identified the owners.  He took the Nebraska hat off of the left breast, I.D’ed the owner, and recovered the young lady, the Okie hat came off the right breast, ID’ed the owner and recovered the lady’s nakidity.  The officer then lifted the Kansas hat off of the ladies crotch, recovered it, lifted it again, recovered and then checked one more time.     The Kansas fan, slightly perturbed by the whole goings on asked if the policeman was some kind of prevert.  The policeofficer replied, "no, its just that most of the time, under a Kansas hat, I usually find and asshole." Frank Reid  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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WOW Collier, taking time off from your self-penetration to home in on any mention of eBay? Oh, and have an OK day.  Should be a good year for you with the IRS considering your 2001 losses.  Then again, they may just be on their way with an endoscope considering your unreported and ill-gotten ebay income! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Post it.  If it’s a fly fishing book it fits in as well as a Wine Review,  A football pool,  Muskies politics and pictures that show what General Sherman meant when he said " If I owned hell and Texas I’d live in hell and rent Texas out"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold — Ron Reinhold R.W. Reinhold Co. 4446 Westridge Dr Williamsburg, Michigan 49690 Ph# 231-938-3229  Fax# 231-938-1896

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Post it.  If it’s a fly fishing book it fits in as well as a Wine Review,  A football pool,  Muskies politics and pictures that show what General Sherman meant when he said " If I owned hell and Texas I’d live in hell and rent Texas out"

Er, except that most of the pics of "Texas" are of Oklahoma…well, I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…."

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I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…."

In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… — Charlie…

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I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…." In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"…

I was talking about their mouths…. TC, R Actually, to be fair, in the area under discussion, without the "State Line" signs on the major north-south highway, you really can’t tell Texas from Oklahoma (which is only one county, about 30 miles, across from north to south, in this area) from So. Kansas (Liberal, KS, about 40 miles from Perryton, TX, is the nearest "big city") and in fact, some operations are in two states.  In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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"Charlie Choc" wrote  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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There is plenty of income tax in Kansas -Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…." In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… I was talking about their mouths…. TC, R Actually, to be fair, in the area under discussion, without the "State Line" signs on the major north-south highway, you really can’t tell Texas from Oklahoma (which is only one county, about 30 miles, across from north to south, in this area) from So. Kansas (Liberal, KS, about 40 miles from Perryton, TX, is the nearest "big city") and in fact, some operations are in two states.  In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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Ok, now I’m curious…what’s the damn book? Eugene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate. — Citizen Fisherman …those were top quality table saws…grumble…grumble… OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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So am I.  Tell me more about the autographed bible and the expected price.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, now I’m curious…what’s the damn book? Eugene I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate. — Citizen Fisherman …those were top quality table saws…grumble…grumble… OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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Like I said, Ken was exaggerating, as he is prone to do. The Bible is *not* autographed, but it is the original, handwritten version. Price is negotiable, depending on how many you order at one time… Any remaining stock will be auctioned on eBay. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So am I.  Tell me more about the autographed bible and the expected price

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Friendly and predictable, that’s me… — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Well, it would be acceptable, but only after it is cleared by the protocol committee.  If you’ll send me the details on the book, I’ll be happy to forward it on to them…. Seriously, though, generally speaking, the only place a "For Sale" post is _strictly_ appropriate is in a ".forsale" newsgroup or other such newsgroup that specifically allows "for sale" postings.  But ROFF’s charter is, at best, more observed by the ignoring of same. What this means is: "who knows what reaction a particular post might garner?"  If your post is simple, honest posting pointing to a personal sale of a book or books, I’d say post away and ignore any flames.   One thing on pointing to auctions, whether here or another newsgroup, starting the subject line with a "FA:" is considered proper as "FS:" means that it is "for sale," not "for auction."  Also, indicate your location. OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… HTH, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ron Reinhold

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Well, regulars often post when they’re selling something on eBay, but if you do it out of the blue, as an unknown, you’re likely to get flamed by self-appointed net cops. Thanks for asking. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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"Ron Reinhold"  wrote…  I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay?

Don’t listen to those other guys, they’re only trying to get you into trouble.  The proper protocol is to send the rare flyfishing book to me, for approval. Just happy I could help, Timothy Juvenal

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold

I’d say it’s OK as long as it’s a one time deal.  We do not appreciate continual spamming.  So, if you’re a book dealer or something, you would be better off becoming a regular contributor and put your web site on your signature.  It would be nice if you put a "FS:" at the beginning of your subject line to mark it as a for sale notice.

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold — Ron Reinhold R.W. Reinhold Co. 4446 Westridge Dr Williamsburg, Michigan 49690 Ph# 231-938-3229  Fax# 231-938-1896

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Vern, You may want to check out a Loomis GL4.  I am told that it is has a very similar action to the top of the line GLX (my rod), but at half the price ($250?).  I just somehow broke the tip on mine (a 5wt), and after inspection Loomis supplied a new tip section absolutely free.  I love this rod–very light, fast, with plenty of backbone.   Good shopping (Christmas is fast approaching), Pat K

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Surely driving over it the same side a few more times would have allowed him to shoot round corners?!! David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My cousin an I were jump shooting ducks in some ponds down by the ocean. After we left I noticed my cousin’s old single shot 12 gauge wasn’t in the jeep.  We went back and it lay in the sand with tire tracks over the barrel. The barrel had a slight bend in it so I told my cousin to drive the jeep over it again while held it with the bent side up.  It worked and he hunted with that old gun for several years after that. Ernie Harrison Want to make tapered leaders?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 I did something similar when I was a kid, but Dad’s casting rod was made of steel and was bent something awful.I still remember the look in some of my friends faces when I told them that all Dad said was "Well did you learn anything?"

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If it were me, I would contact the manufacturer. I have found most rod companies to be very sympathetic to accidents, especially if you tell them the truth about how it was broken. Usually not on a fish. Good luck.

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buddies. I did something similar when I was a kid, but Dad’s casting rod was made of steel and was bent something awful.I still remember the look in some of my friends faces when I told them that all Dad said was "Well did you learn anything?"   Big Dale

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<snipped Ugh, I remember doing that… Waaaaaay back when I got my first fly rod I tried to learn it all by my self and I had a Diawa Cherrywood Series rod. It was fairly light (About a 4-5 if I had to guess now) and I sure did not know how to use the thing. I ended up shutting the door on the tip and snapping it off. That was the end of that rod for me. Now I think I probably would try to re-tip it. That story also sends shudders through me as I am taking my five year old daughter out fishing once in a while and I will certainly keep that story in mind to make me more cautious! Hope it works out! Michael Era

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I was noticing that someone posted a question earlier in this newsgroup asking if there were any books illustrating the lifecycles of flies in certain parts of the US at various times of the year.  I am also looking for info on a good beginning FF setup.  Therefore, if anyone has some good book suggestions on how to choose the right fly depending on where you are and what you’re fishing for as well as any books/catalogs that describe FF equipment and techniques, please post them. Thanks in advance, The Iceburg

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FlyFishing for Dummies is pretty damn good and as simple as things get. Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was noticing that someone posted a question earlier in this newsgroup asking if there were any books illustrating the lifecycles of flies in certain parts of the US at various times of the year.  I am also looking for info on a good beginning FF setup.  Therefore, if anyone has some good book suggestions on how to choose the right fly depending on where you are and what you’re fishing for as well as any books/catalogs that describe FF equipment and techniques, please post them. Thanks in advance, The Iceburg

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Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy

vendettas. "supply a service ?" You have a serious misconception of the usenet don_in_ottawa. I am incensed by the gall of your post. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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"supply a service ?" You have a serious misconception of the usenet don_in_ottawa. I am incensed by the gall of your post. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

  Go get him Timbo "release the hounds"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy vendettas. "supply a service ?" You have a serious misconception of the usenet don_in_ottawa. I am incensed by the gall of your post. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

I agree with you Tim….if he wants service…I think he ought to send us some friggin’ money. TANSTAAFL  ..uhhh…US dollars please. –Wataugan Walt

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Damn, there are sharks in this stream! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy vendettas. "supply a service ?" You have a serious misconception of the usenet don_in_ottawa. I am incensed by the gall of your post. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…" I agree with you Tim….if he wants service…I think he ought to send us some friggin’ money. TANSTAAFL  ..uhhh…US dollars please. –Wataugan Walt

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Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy vendettas.

        oh, golly, don, thanks for putting us in our place.  let’s see:  do you think sage rods are better than orvis?  here’s the hot tip on the yellowstone this week:  tie on (with an improved clinch, of course) a adams in the morning, a royal wulff in the mid-day, and an elk hair caddis near dark.  btw, do you think 2mm waders are sufficient for late june on the au sable?  hey, have you got a load of the new 50 pocket vest from l.l. bean?  it holds all 350 patterns of bwo’s i’ve identified after a long weekend in the loving arms of a.k. best.  ad infinitum.  ad nauseum.  nighty night.         a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Don writes: Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy vendettas. Welcome to ROFF, Don! Like it or not, that’s the way this newsgroup goes. You can sort through for the useful info, as it will be there. You are, however, asking for trouble with posts like this,as the rabid dogs will search you out. Tim Patterson may even post a web page about you, but I think his server is pretty well Ginked up….                                         Tom Littleton

______  ha!  that’s funny, Tim.  In fact,you’re not far off from our famous motto and in Tim Patterson’s case,  "Gink Keeps It Up" includes him.  Isn’t what your saying is, "Without me, Tim Patterson couldn’t make it?" hum?  You may have a point? I have a problem though, Tim.  I keep releasing him but he keeps coming back.  Possibly we should start a new group?  rec.outdoors.fishing.boomerang.suckers.tim (?) mercy.

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Yea, good idea!  Let’s start!!  You go first!! Uh.. hello?  You there Don? Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy vendettas.

-Mark/Particle Salad Particle Salad/Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad

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Ya I’m here but after many years of intermittent fly fishing on west coast and back east in Ontario and Quebec, I modestly don’t feel I have the expertese to significantly contribute  to the body of knowledge in the literature and what is commonly known. That being the case, I peruse this UG occasionally to see if anything of note has been said. I am well tackled (no pun intended) but am a very unaccomplished tyer. I am no purist and do not practice C & R, primarily because my friends and I have been doing our own stocking for many years in lakes which do not permit natural reproduction of either specs or rb. Rarely do I meet an opportunity to use dries and we normally use nymphs and streamers, of which we have developed a few local patterns. I have my own ideas which I do not inflict on others, except I cast right, real left and preach this to anybody who will listen. And I’ve been using George’s stuff for many years, which I suppose will bring more brick-bats….. Unfortunately, I don’t get out as much as I would like but hope springs eternal amd I have asperations of hooking one of the Ottawa River browns which are coming along nicely, so I am told. For those of you who do get out and into the back country, who love maps etc. and are interested in GPS as an aid to your travels, check out this URL where most of my time on line goes:           http://www.synapse.net/~dbartlett/gpsutm.htm This is NOT a commercial site. Don Bartlett Yea, good idea!  Let’s start!!  You go first!! Uh.. hello?  You there Don?

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Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy vendettas.

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Don writes: Come on guys, lets cut out the BS, & supply a service to those of us who truly expect to find useful info here rather than ongoing juvenile wordy vendettas.

Welcome to ROFF, Don! Like it or not, that’s the way this newsgroup goes. You can sort through for the useful info, as it will be there. You are, however, asking for trouble with posts like this,as the rabid dogs will search you out. Tim Patterson may even post a web page about you, but I think his server is pretty well Ginked up….                                         Tom Littleton

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FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE FOR SALE    FOR SALE Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand new. The price includes shipping anywhere in the continental U.S. The rods do not have rod tubes or socks. These are brand new, unused rods. Must sell as soon as possible. The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. Donna

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Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand

new.  The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. Donna

I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new $400-$500 rods for $100.? What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering. Wes

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Wes writes:  "I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new

$400-$500 rods for $100.?  What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering. Wes" Wes, if I recall correctly from a previous post, these rods are the Sage Youth Rods that have been discontinued.  The rod is of Graphite One construction 6 weight.  I bought one for my son from my local fly shop several years ago for $165 and that included the bag, rod case, reel and a cheap line. While these are great beginner rods, they should not be confused with the other Sage rods.  There is a huge difference in power and presentation.   Mike

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These rods are indeed brand new. The are not seconds. These rods are no longer made. They were called "Youth" rods because of their small diamter grips and length. Trust me, they are Sage, marked Sage, the the RPL style flex and design. I believe these rods were originally $200. Ken Please send your inquiries about purchasing these rods to Donna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand new. The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. Donna I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new $400-$500 rods for $100.? What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering. Wes

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Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand new. The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new $400-$500 rods for $100.? What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering.

Good questions – though you don’t have to be a cynic to feel that a 7′9" 6wt must be one heck of a club. IMHO $100 for such a rod (Sage or otherwise) is just about right… /dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE FOR SALE    FOR SALE Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand new. The price includes shipping anywhere in the continental U.S. The rods do not have rod tubes or socks. These are brand new, unused rods. Must sell as soon as possible. The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. Donna

Hi All, Those are Sage Youth Rods that were discontinued. I think they sold for about $135. They are really a 7′9" #5 rod that Sage labeled as a #6 for kids. At a $100 they would be a great rod for small water dry fly fishing for anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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anyone interested in motorized bellyboats

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anyone interested in motorized bellyboats

I would be interested to see one, just for the heck of it.  I don’t know if I’d ever actually use it.  That would just depend on the top speed.

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yes!!   One difference, tho-   i use 2 ea  5′ peices of 15" lo-head irrigation pipe for pontoons and the frame allows me to be down in the water just over my legs.  the rear of the "system" has a mount for a small elec motor and a place for a big deep cycle battery.  Im close to 300# and belly boats are not made for guys my size!!!    However motorizing a "U" tube or regular floater has been done and a catalogue was available some 3 years ago.  Check with one of the local fly shops, or inquire to guides-  they have the exposure to things like that…..  if they are not too busy fishing!!! .

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Any info on possibilities of small lake or stream fishing here. I have heard there’s some bass possibilities here.

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There are lots of ponds with LM and Peacock bass in them.  I’ve personally only caught them on a spinning rod, but there’s no reason they wouldn’t take flies.  There may be some bass or other interesting creatures in the larger streams.  There sure are a lot of them on Kauai, and there are some nice flats areas that ought to be fishable for Ulua (Trevally) and their younger brothers, Papio.–Crashjibe

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Only stream fishing when i was there ran through Kokee State Park.  Purely "put & take" trout.  Definite for Peacock.  Don’t expect to find ANY gear there, though.

I fished some of the freshwater reservoirs in cane fields (get a permit…they’re free from the sugar co.). Largemouth and peacock a’plenty *:) I thought I remember reading where Kokee has a very short fishing season….did I remember right?

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We have a TU group  going into Alaska this summer to flyfish. It’s expensive but the quality is sensational. The attached letter was sent to this year’s participants. If you have any interest please e-mail me. Copy of letter:

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If you send me an e-mail I will send you copy of my letter containing all the info on trip. Thanks!

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I made a nice find on a low-cost fly-tying storage box.  I bought a Flambeau 22060 toolbox that has six sliding drawers each about 12 by 8 inches.  Two are 3 inches deep and the others 2 inches deep.  The box opens on one side with a fold down panel.  The box is marketed for hand tools so the cost is resonable at $45.  For people with lots of hackes you will need a separate cedar box for storage of those large items.  Compared to nice wooden boxes and cordura/plastic fly tying boxes($100 to 300) this is a cost-effective solution I wanted to share. Question: does anyone have a mail-order source for Lamson reels that have good prices. Kent

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I made a nice find on a low-cost fly-tying storage box.  I bought a Flambeau 22060 toolbox that has six sliding drawers each about 12 by 8 inches.  Two are 3 inches deep and the others 2 inches deep.  The box opens on one side with a fold down panel.  The box is marketed for hand tools so the cost is resonable at $45.  For people with lots of hackes you will need a separate cedar box for storage of those large items.  Compared to nice wooden boxes and cordura/plastic fly tying boxes($100 to 300) this is a cost-effective solution I wanted to share.

When I was growing up, my Dad had a room with bookshelves filled with 1-gallon glass jars (from commercial kitchen quantities of mayonaise, mustard, ketchup, relish…) filled with cured necks, elk and deer body fur, dyed deer tails, polar bear fur, calves tails, squirrel tails, peacock eyes, yarns, etc.  He had friends who hunted and fished and he would trade flies he tied for furs and feathers they got hunting.  Also, it used to get us kids upset because we could never pass a roadkill without Dad wanting to get out and cut the tail or something.  His collection has dwindled over the years but the idea of using glass bottles to see everything on the shelves is very appealing.  The closed jars keep out bugs and seal in the smell of all the cured flesh, fur and feathers. Dad kept his threads in wooden cigar boxes labeled by color.  He had a boxes for white, black, brown, and misc. colored threads. Each spool had its own bobbin that he hand made from old coat hangers (back when they were of sufficient guage to be worth anything).  He bought head cement in quart tins and poured it, a small amount at a time, to a baby food jar and applied it with a needle stuck eye-end-in to a small piece of wood.   His hackle pliers were made from a coat hanger as well.  He decided on the length of wire needed, flattened out the ends and bent it appropriately.  He then glued two small, thin pieces of rubber (from an old gasket he found) inside the gripping faces for the dual purpose of a better grip on large hackles and to be gentle on delicate hackles.  They worked like a charm. Except for his Universal vice, most of his tools were hand made. Flytying doesn’t have to be an expensive proposition.  A little imagination and craftsmanship is all that is needed.   These days he’s sometimes too slow to react to a rise but he’s still the best fly tier I know of.  I’d rather fish his flies than anyone else’s.   If you don’t lose them in the bushes or in the mouth of that big one you tried to force out of some fast water, you can fish the same fly all day.  Too many times I’ve had to switch flies because one I bought in a shop became unraveled in the mouth of the first trout to hit it. — Steve Hammond                            * ^ // * /     Scientific Computing Division             /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ______

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[Original orticle deleted] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -When I was growing up, my Dad had a room with bookshelves filled with 1-gallon glass jars (from commercial kitchen quantities of mayonaise, mustard, ketchup, relish…) filled with cured necks, elk and deer body fur, dyed deer tails, polar bear fur, calves tails, squirrel tails, peacock eyes, yarns, etc.  He had friends who hunted and fished and he would trade flies he tied for furs and feathers they got hunting.  Also, it used to get us kids upset because we could never pass a roadkill without Dad wanting to get out and cut the tail or something.  His collection has dwindled over the years but the idea of using glass bottles to see everything on the shelves is very appealing.  The closed jars keep out bugs and seal in the smell of all the cured flesh, fur and feathers. Dad kept his threads in wooden cigar boxes labeled by color.  He had a boxes for white, black, brown, and misc. colored threads. Each spool had its own bobbin that he hand made from old coat hangers (back when they were of sufficient guage to be worth anything).  He bought head cement in quart tins and poured it, a small amount at a time, to a baby food jar and applied it with a needle stuck eye-end-in to a small piece of wood.   His hackle pliers were made from a coat hanger as well.  He decided on the length of wire needed, flattened out the ends and bent it appropriately.  He then glued two small, thin pieces of rubber (from an old gasket he found) inside the gripping faces for the dual purpose of a better grip on large hackles and to be gentle on delicate hackles.  They worked like a charm. Except for his Universal vice, most of his tools were hand made. Flytying doesn’t have to be an expensive proposition.  A little imagination and craftsmanship is all that is needed.   These days he’s sometimes too slow to react to a rise but he’s still the best fly tier I know of.  I’d rather fish his flies than anyone else’s.   If you don’t lose them in the bushes or in the mouth of that big one you tried to force out of some fast water, you can fish the same fly all day.  Too many times I’ve had to switch flies because one I bought in a shop became unraveled in the mouth of the first trout to hit it.

Wonderful and wonderfully written rememberance of a classic fly tier! No fishing father could hope for better than this kind of education for and memory from his son.  Well said Steve! — Steve Hammond                            * ^ // * /     Scientific Computing Division                 /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ______

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