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In light of the recent tension, caused by so-called "ignorance," I began thinking about words and symbols that either have more than one meaning or are bastardized in one way or another. http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/news_archives/pc970001.htm — Op

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In light of the recent tension, caused by so-called "ignorance," I began thinking about words and symbols that either have more than one meaning or are bastardized in one way or another. http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/news_archives/pc970001.htm — Op

______  My advice for any Jewish fly fisherman is to that a Swastika Acres resident fly fishing and make friends.  Do any of the condo’s there look like bunkers? — — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks

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______  My advice for any Jewish fly fisherman is to that a Swastika Acres resident fly fishing and make friends.  Do any of the condo’s there look like bunkers? —

        george, you need to clear out.  your posts are beginning to make a soup sandwich look like the rock of gibralter. wayno

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______  My advice for any Jewish fly fisherman is to take a Swastika Acres resident fly fishing and make friends.  Do any of the condo’s there look like bunkers? —         george, you need to clear out.  your posts are beginning to make a soup sandwich look like the rock of gibralter. wayno

Clearing the cache right now Wayne! — — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks

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I Found This Great New Website!! At http://www.saltyfish.cc

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North Florida!!!!  Another bullshit spammer.  I was hoping for a report on fly fishing in another star system. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I Found This Great New Website!! At http://www.saltyfish.cc

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A friend sent me ‘ The Top 15 Unforeseen Side-Effects of the Y2K Bug’ which I found rather amusing and I have included them herein, for your perusal. Thise got me to thinking along fishing lines, what will fishing be like in the future?  I’ve only read one short story (sci-fi) about fly fishing, a little ditty called "Ring Trout."  What do you think we can expect? ‘Laser Lines’ that parboil the fish automatically or make for a ‘laser’ guided cast?  Genetically engineered or fish that are otherwise raised to be harder to catch? (Remember my ‘trout swatter idea?) Fish tags with tracking devices to really catch ‘the big one?’ I need some help here fellows, it’s starting to keep me awake…….john              [  The Top 5 List   www.topfive.com  ]              [   Copyright 1999 by Chris White    ] 15 Computer glitch at People Magazine makes Dom DeLuise the     "Sexiest Man Alive!" 14 No power failures, no mass hysteria, but from January 1st on,     everyone’s toast is just a little bit burnt. 13 "Suddenly Susan" suddenly funny. 12 Their computers thwarted, the public library will finally get     their 12-year-overdue copy of "Our Bodies, Our Selves" back     and I… er, my friend won’t have to pay a penny in late fees! 11 Several thousand Internet start-ups simultaneously and     inexplicably turn a profit. 10 World falls under the iron fist of Amish overlords. 9 All "2000 Flushes" toilet bowl sanitizers simultaneously     detonate, causing a "Blue Butt" epidemic in trailer parks     across the US. 8 While speaking at a fund-raiser, Al Gore malfunctions and     shuts down in mid-sentence. 7 Overnight, CompUSA becomes "Crazy Larry’s Liquidation Center." 6 Strom Thurmond starts to receive free birthday ice-cream cones     at Baskin-Robbins. 5 "Student Loan?  No, I’m pretty sure I paid that in full     last month." 4 With all the rioting and looting, your reclusive neighbor     Chuck can finally roam the streets relatively unnoticed in     his halter top and buttless chaps. 3 "First-rate Hunter-gatherer" now a key resume bullet. 2 President Clinton’s January issue of "Hustler" is accidentally     sent to ex-president William McKinley. and Topfive.com’s Number 1 Unforeseen Side-Effect of the Y2K Bug… 1 McDonald’s faces a rash of lawsuits when out-of-work COBOL     programmers begin dumping hot coffee into their laps to     make ends meet.              [  The Top 5 List   www.topfive.com  ]              [   Copyright 1999 by Chris White    ]

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend sent me ‘ The Top 15 Unforeseen Side-Effects of the Y2K Bug’ which I found rather amusing and I have included them herein, for your perusal. Thise got me to thinking along fishing lines, what will fishing be like in the future?  I’ve only read one short story (sci-fi) about fly fishing, a little ditty called "Ring Trout."  What do you think we can expect? ‘Laser Lines’ that parboil the fish automatically or make for a ‘laser’ guided cast?  Genetically engineered or fish that are otherwise raised to be harder to catch? (Remember my ‘trout swatter idea?) Fish tags with tracking devices to really catch ‘the big one?’ I need some help here fellows, it’s starting to keep me awake…….john

"Hey Joe, you got anything ?".  "Sure have, just managed to hack into Fish and Games tracking satellite net, three salmon are due in within the next two days".  "Gee, thats great, havent seen a salmon for years, you think we have a chance at them".  "Sure do, just upgraded my $rvis magnetic fish implant tracking device, if one of those mothers gets within ten miles of us we

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kenrat I go to the Smokeys every year in February.  Middle prong and the other areas are ok.  The most interesting fishing is off of Cade’s Cove.  Go to the parking lot at the far end of the Cove and you can enter the water there.  This is a limestone stream.  Be careful of the water as it can be contaminated by the cow manure from inside the Cove where cattle are grazed.  The stream is atypical for the park as it is the only limestone stream.  There is a trail that parallels the stream.  It is quite a hike. The best fishing lies at the falls on the far end of the trail or in an area called the horseshoe.  The best access according to the guys from there is not the trial, but the river.  They indicated that full chest waders were needed and that wading stafffs were a must. The sure thing by way of trout is the Cherokee Reservation.  It is stocked monthly by the tribe.  They sell their own license and the limit is double that of the park.  To fish the park you need either a Carolina or Tenn. license.  They don’t care which.  The fish in the reservation were of small to mid sized.  They hit on streamers.  I used a dry as a strike indicator and a couple of nymphs trailing.

Thanks for the information!  Will look at the reservation area a little more. Hadn’t really thought about it. Many thanks….Kenny

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Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February.  Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

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Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February.  Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

Dear Kenny!             Gatlinburg area in February can be unpredictable. If you are lucky it’s 55 degrees and sunny or it could be 32 and snow. I would try West prong of Little Pigeon right off US 441 in the park. You also have Little River and Roaring Fork easily accessible as well as Middle  prong of Little Pigeon. I would use a beadhead nymph or a streamer this time of the year. I know you can catch trout on dries in February but I have more luck with nymphs. A pheasant tail or a Hare’s ear work fine for me. I wish you could come in April or May when the real action begins but February is better than nothing. Sincerely Hans

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Try calling Jesse Brown Outdoors, Charlotte, NC to start with and talk to Don, he might be able to help you out. (704) 556-0020 Jon

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Sorry  to disappoint, but ignore the GSMNP until the spring when the water warms up, hatches appear, and the trout are active again. I know, I have  flyfished this area for 16 years.  Concentrate on the tailwaters of the area.  The Clinch river is great right now!!!!  Average catches inthe 30’s on scuds, and midges.  The S. holston is also very good, with some BWO, and occational Sulphur or two. For info call THE CREEL 423.588.6159 in Knoxville. By the way, what in the hell does a flyshop in Charlotte know of conditions in the Smokies anyway?  Let them clean up the Pigeon first, before they bring their a– over here! Phil B. check out this web page: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~ldecuir/default.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry  to disappoint, but ignore the GSMNP until the spring when the water warms up, hatches appear, and the trout are active again. I know, I have  flyfished this area for 16 years.  Concentrate on the tailwaters of the area.  The Clinch river is great right now!!!!  Average catches inthe 30’s on scuds, and midges.  The S. holston is also very good, with some BWO, and occational Sulphur or two. For info call THE CREEL 423.588.6159 in Knoxville. By the way, what in the hell does a flyshop in Charlotte know of conditions in the Smokies anyway?  Let them clean up the Pigeon first, before they bring their a– over here! Phil B. check out this web page: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~ldecuir/default.html

Thanks for a very considerate attitude. If you read my post I said try to come in April or June didn’t I? Can you read? Also I have only fished in this area for three years and I have seen hatches in February. Maybe you should stay at the Clinch and let us have the mountains. I don’t care much about the stocked trout anyway. The less time you spend in the smokies the better for me. Hans

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try calling Jesse Brown Outdoors, Charlotte, NC to start with and talk to Don, he might be able to help you out. (704) 556-0020 Jon

Thanks for the number and info.  Will try to get in contact with them.  Any help is appreciated!

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Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February.  Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

Kenny,         I was just in the Smokies over new years (during the snowstorm).  The fishing was very bad but the scenery was great. While I was there, I picked up a copy of a book called A Flyfishing Guide to the Smoky Mountains.  It gives good information about the seasons there and gives detailed information about each of the watersheds in the National Park.  I would recommend it.  E-mail me if you need more information about the author etc.  There are a number of other texts that have come out recently on the park and fishing.  I have not yet had time to look them over.

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Kenrat I go to the Smokeys every year in February.  Middle prong and the other areas are ok.  The most interesting fishing is off of Cade’s Cove.  Go to the parking lot at the far end of the Cove and you can enter the water there.  This is a limestone stream.  Be careful of the water as it can be contaminated by the cow manure from inside the Cove where cattle are grazed.  The stream is atypical for the park as it is the only limestone stream.  There is a trail that parallels the stream.  It is quite a hike. The best fishing lies at the falls on the far end of the trail or in an area called the horseshoe.  The best access according to the guys from there is not the trial, but the river.  They indicated that full chest waders were needed and that wading stafffs were a must. The sure thing by way of trout is the Cherokee Reservation.  It is stocked monthly by the tribe.  They sell their own license and the limit is double that of the park.  To fish the park you need either a Carolina or Tenn. license.  They don’t care which.  The fish in the reservation were of small to mid sized.  They hit on streamers.  I used a dry as a strike indicator and a couple of nymphs trailing. Ron’s advice on the flies is right on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February. Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Smoky Mountain Questions Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February. Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny Kenny,    I was just in the Smokies over new years (during the snowstorm).  The fishing was very bad but the scenery was great. While I was there, I picked up a copy of a book called A Flyfishing Guide to the Smoky Mountains.  It gives good information about the seasons there and gives detailed information about each of the watersheds in the National Park.  I would recommend it.  E-mail me if you need more information about the author etc.  There are a number of other texts that have come out recently on the park and fishing.  I have not yet had time to look them over.

Thanks!!  Have seen the book at one of the websites.  Wondered if it was worth picking up.  Am going to try some of the bookstores around here before I look to order it. Just for anyone who is interested – Found a little 5 dollar booklet on Hatches in the Smoky Mountains.  If anyone wants any further info, let me know and I will get some.  Looked pretty helpful. Thanks….Kenny

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I tend to wade pretty aggressively, so I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve gotten wet, but the week before last was the first time I’ve had to actually swim for it.  For those who are interested, results follow: I was fishing the Missouri under fairly high water conditions on July 3 and wading down a gravel spit below an island.  Without paying much attention, I had waded down far enough that I was up nearly to the tops of my waders.  No problem until I tried to turn back upstream, at which point I discovered that the gravel shifted under my feet each time I tried to take a step back up.  After about ten minutes of struggling for a foothold, I realized I simply wasn’t going to be able to wade back up the gravel spit.  To struggle further would have been a waste of energy, I would have to swim for it.  My neoprenes fit reasonably snuggly, but I was not wearing a belt, so it was inevitable I would take on some serious water.  I tucked my vest into my waders to snug up the fit a bit more and made a go for shore, probably 100-130 feet away.  I’m here, so you know I made it.  I did not sink like a rock, but it was pretty darn hard to swim, and especially to kick productively, with my waders full of water.   All in all, I can’t recommend the experience.  Even though the Missouri below Holter is powerful, it is relatively smooth.  Had I been bounced around, it would have been harder.  Although I haven’t been swimming much lately, I am a fairly strong swimmer ( 2 miles a pop when I used to swim regularly).  Finally, I was fortunate that I didn’t fall in and have to react quickly; I had time to make a plan and steel myself. What I do recommend is: 1)  Don’t ever assume you can wade back via the same route. 2)  Do wear a belt. 3)  Go out and try it in a swimming pool before it happens by accident.     Some day, something like this may happen to you, too.  If you’ve tried     it at home, you’ll know your limitations, so you’ll know where not to     go.  You’ll know your capabilities, so you won’t panic.  Knowing one     without the other may not do you much good.  If you’re in over your     ability *or* if you panic, you may get more than just wet. Happy (and dry) fishing to all, Bill S. P.S.  Good nymphing, a little bit of dry fly action at dusk.

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I tucked my vest into my waders to snug up the fit a bit more and made a go for shore, probably 100-130 feet away.  I’m here, so you know I made it.  I did not sink like a rock, but it was pretty darn hard to swim,

What did you do with your rod? — -Wayne Trzyna

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Bill, Thanks for a very clear analysis of "swimming with waders on". Your article has convinced me to start wearing a belt again while in neoprene waders. Me getting into neoprene waders is akin to packing a sausage but you’ve convinced me that water will get in there eventually. Many of us are not in the kind of shape we used to be and a long swim in waders could very well be our last. Thanks again, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tend to wade pretty aggressively, so I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve gotten wet, but the week before last was the first time I’ve had to actually swim for it.  For those who are interested, results follow: I was fishing the Missouri under fairly high water conditions on July 3 and wading down a gravel spit below an island.  Without paying much attention, I had waded down far enough that I was up nearly to the tops of my waders.  No problem until I tried to turn back upstream, at which point I discovered that the gravel shifted under my feet each time I tried to take a step back up.  After about ten minutes of struggling for a foothold, I realized I simply wasn’t going to be able to wade back up the gravel spit.  To struggle further would have been a waste of energy, I would have to swim for it.  My neoprenes fit reasonably snuggly, but I was not wearing a belt, so it was inevitable I would take on some serious water.  I tucked my vest into my waders to snug up the fit a bit more and made a go for shore, probably 100-130 feet away.  I’m here, so you know I made it.  I did not sink like a rock, but it was pretty darn hard to swim, and especially to kick productively, with my waders full of water. All in all, I can’t recommend the experience.  Even though the Missouri below Holter is powerful, it is relatively smooth.  Had I been bounced around, it would have been harder.  Although I haven’t been swimming much lately, I am a fairly strong swimmer ( 2 miles a pop when I used to swim regularly).  Finally, I was fortunate that I didn’t fall in and have to react quickly; I had time to make a plan and steel myself. What I do recommend is: 1)  Don’t ever assume you can wade back via the same route. 2)  Do wear a belt. 3)  Go out and try it in a swimming pool before it happens by accident.     Some day, something like this may happen to you, too.  If you’ve tried     it at home, you’ll know your limitations, so you’ll know where not to     go.  You’ll know your capabilities, so you won’t panic.  Knowing one     without the other may not do you much good.  If you’re in over your     ability *or* if you panic, you may get more than just wet. Happy (and dry) fishing to all, Bill S. P.S.  Good nymphing, a little bit of dry fly action at dusk.

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Thank you for this story.  You have totally cured the false sense of security I have long had in my neoprene waders floatability and watertightness.  I’ll be getting a belt. —                                                            -dnc- William A. Segraves wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tend to wade pretty aggressively, so I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve gotten wet, but the week before last was the first time I’ve had to actually swim for it.  For those who are interested, results

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I have a ton of Ruffed Grouse feathers. What do flies do you use it for? Thanks!

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I have a ton of Ruffed Grouse feathers. What do flies do you use it for? Thanks!

See Sylvester Neme’s book The Soft Hackled Fly.  One grouse will go a very long way:  hackles for motion (rather than colour) and "filoplumes" for gills on large nymphs, but not much more:  Quill and tail fibres are commonly too small to use like pheasant. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I have a ton of Ruffed Grouse feathers. What do flies do you use it for? Thanks! See Sylvester Neme’s book The Soft Hackled Fly.  One grouse will go a very long way:  hackles for motion (rather than colour) and "filoplumes" for gills on large nymphs, but not much more:  Quill and tail fibres are commonly too small to use like pheasant.

Might try crossposting it to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, those guys’ll be able to help you over there, tell ‘em TBone sent ya. 8{)…. However, my very favorite wet fly, The Breadcrust, uses Grouse tail exclusively.  What a fly ! TimW

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I have a ton of Ruffed Grouse feathers. What do flies do you use it for? Thanks!

Hi Ronald, I use grouse feathers for soft hackle flies.  I particularly like them on a bead head Hare’s Ear Softhackle.  TIP:  If you have trouble finding feathers small enough to tie #18 and smaller, you can take the fibers from a larger feather and spin them around the hook like you would spin deer hair.  In so doing you have soft hackle for just about any sized fly. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Howdy I’ll be moving to Sping Lake N.J. in mid Oct. from southern Alberta where I’ve become quite fond of spectacular fishing. Anyone have a suggestion of where i can continue to get my fix? My e-mail is only go until Oct.7 Thank ya all, Cheers.

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As one resident said last year… the besst fly fishing in NJ is in PA and NY.  But Spring Lake in on the coast, and the other resident didn’t ply the salt.  Great runs of of blues are in the offing.  Check any of the local tackle shops.  Fresh water is mostly up north and west.  Shad and stripers run the Delaware regularly.  Trout are mostly stocked, so listen to the original advise and head to PA and the NY Catskills.  There is a NJ fishing home page, and if you can scroll back into this groups archives it’ll be listed . good luck from Long Island jg

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Tradewinds is a total joke.Do not go on a tuna  trip with these guys. And be darn careful about making sure what kind of fishing you are really in for. The idea of "sport" among these guys is handlining. We took an 18 hour tuna trip with Tradewinds on Monday night. It was the captains first trip for tuna. Ever.They wouldn’t let us fish with rod and reel beacuse they said we would "never land a fish". After trolling from 2:30 AM until 2:30 PM and only catching 4 fish for the whole boat we begged to use a rod and reel for the last hour. You guessed it. 5 minutes and I was into a 20+ fish. The fight brought up more fish and we boated 4 more on the pass. My buddy talked the mate into removing the 150+leader from the hootchie and tie one up with the 50lb pink Ande he had brought along. 10 minutes later he caught the fish of the trip at around 30 lb. To the captains credit he tried hard, and stayed out an extra hour, but handlining is meat fishing, not sport. Maybe run a couple of handlines for those folks who can’t thumb a drag but at least be up front about it. When we made the reservation we asked if it was handlining or rod fishing and were assured that it was rod and reel only.  It seemed that all the boats were running almost exclusively handlines with only the occasional rod. Next time I’m going to charter my own  boat with a couple of other guys so I can use my fly rod!

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Tradewinds is a total joke.Do not go on a tuna  trip with these guys. And be darn careful about making sure what kind of fishing you are really in for. [stuff skipped] To the captains credit he tried hard, and stayed out an extra hour, but handlining is meat fishing, not sport. Maybe run a couple of handlines for those folks who can’t thumb a drag but at least be up front about it. When we made the reservation we asked if it was handlining or rod fishing and were assured that it was rod and reel only.  It seemed that all the boats were running almost exclusively handlines with only the occasional rod.

You thumb the drag on a tuna?  That’s a pretty tough thumb . I had called Newport Tradewinds last week.  They told me that they did do handlining, but would do rod and reel if the customers had equipment, and wanted to do it that way. Are there any party boats or even charters in Oregon that do rod and reel for albacore? -Dave B.

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Why go to Oregon, Washington is having those same albacore.  Try Westport.

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Thanks for the info about the charters out of Newport, Bob.  I gave Tradewinds a call yesterday and they told me thier first tuna trip of the year would be this friday morning … departure time 12:01 a.m.  … an 18 hr. trip!!  They told me that other charter boats have been catching at the rate of ten tuna per passanger at 45 miles. I was telling a co-worker a little while later that the tuna had moved in and he told me that the Oregonian (sports line?) said that the tuna were in to 42 miles.  The SouthWest wind is blowing and has been blowing since Tuesday so that should push the warm water and fish even closer. I then contacted Steve Larkins at Pacific City and he called Trollers Charters in Garibaldi and they said the fish were between 50-55 miles off shore.  That’s close enough!  It is time for some vacation and a couple of tuna trips!! The weather should be turning today with a high pressure starting to build.  That means that the ocean *should* be real nice on Friday so a few of us are going to make our first exploratory trip out to about 50 miles and see if we can score.  One of the advantages to fishing dories is where it will take a charter boat 5-6 hours to get out to the 50 mile area where the tuna are, it will only take us about 1.5-2  hours to go the same distance (depending on who the slowest boat is). Well, at any rate, wish me luck.  By tomorrow at this time (9:00) I hope to be out 30-40 miles and have at least a couple of dozen fish in the boat.  If I do I’ll give you’all a report a week from Monday (I’m off on vacation for at *least* a week as soon as the tuna show within striking distance of P.C.).  If I don’t score I’ll post that here this coming Monday. Sea ya,                                 Fish to Live, Live to Fish                                    ’Fish Assassin’ Mark                                      Pacific City, OR ******* Just an old tech. guy livin’ in a High Tech world ******* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Call Newport Tradewinds at 1-800-676-7819.  I just talked to the owner, Burt Waddell a couple of days ago and he said the tuna were within 45 miles of the coast, so the long one-day trips have started.  They also have multiple day trips. I’ve fished with these guys in the past and they really work hard to help you catch fish. Good Fishing, Bob says… who is the best charter down there??? I am from Southern CA … but i live in Port Angeles WA. .. Now … Who should I call down there?????

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who is the best charter down there??? I am from Southern CA … but i live in Port Angeles WA. .. Now … Who should I call down there?????

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Call Newport Tradewinds at 1-800-676-7819.  I just talked to the owner, Burt Waddell a couple of days ago and he said the tuna were within 45 miles of the coast, so the long one-day trips have started.  They also have multiple day trips. I’ve fished with these guys in the past and they really work hard to help you catch fish. Good Fishing, Bob says… who is the best charter down there??? I am from Southern CA … but i live in Port Angeles WA. .. Now … Who should I call down there?????

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22nd Street Landing turned in the first fish counts that included bluefin tuna yesterday (Wed., 7/26). According to the office manager, the El Dorado got 4 bluefin and 4 yellowtail (among other things) on their daily overnight run while fishing somewhere south of San Clemente Island. 22nd Street can be reached at (310) 832-8304.

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Oregon Tuna News, 7/31/95 Talked to Phil at Hoy Brother Fish Co. yesterday (Sunday, 7/30) and he told me that they unloaded their first tuna troller Saturday.  It was a 3 day trip out of Garibaldi and they fished between 60 and 100 miles off- shore.  When they were headed in they even found a few of the bigger cold water fish in to about 42 miles. The fish seem to be moving closer to shore at the rate of about 20 miles a week.  The Dory fleet out of Pacific City is getting geared up and we should be fishing for tuna within the next 2 weeks. The boat that off-loaded at Hoy Brothers brought in 400 fish for thier 3 day effort.  There were two people on board … the skipper and one deck hand.  Average weight was just a hair over 11 lbs.  The bad news is that the ex-vessel price was only $.65/lb.  Last year when we started fishing tuna we got $1.00/lb and that dropped to $.85 after the market got pretty flooded.  Phil told me he expected the price to move upward to about $1600-$1700/ton which would equate to 80-85 cents a lb.   We have heard unconfirmed reports of tuna off Newport, Or. as close in as 40 miles.  No commercial boats but a few charters are going for them.  The tackle stores are doing a bang up business.  It’s real easy to spend a couple hundred bucks on gear and it seems like *everybody* is gearing up. The excitement of last years tuna coming close (20 miles) has got every- body in it’s grip. As soon as they are in striking distance of the day boats (40-50 miles for my boat) I’m off for two weeks fishing tuna every day.  I’ll try to keep everybody posted until I leave.  ;)                                 Fish to Live, Live to Fish                                    ’Fish Assassin’ Mark                                      Pacific City, OR ***     Looking for adventure on the high seas off Pacific City, Or.    ***

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I am afraid my original comment might have gotten lost in the lengthy follow up to the Newt Gingrich and the Flyfisherman post. So again, this is for those involved in the original post, or at least those that didn’t know when to quit. Go away. When you are ready to discuss flyfishing, come back. — gp

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I am afraid my original comment might have gotten lost in the lengthy follow up to the Newt Gingrich and the Flyfisherman post. So again, this is for those involved in the original post, or at least those that didn’t know when to quit. Go away. When you are ready to discuss flyfishing, come back.

I find this a strange complaint from one who only 20 minutes earlier contributed to the thread about Newt and the Flyfisherman. Perhaps you folks north of the border have enough rivers or good enough government or businessmen who are sufficiently environmentally sensitive that you needn’t worry about the destruction of habitat including good trout water.  But here in the good old U.S. of A. we have to fight the sonsabitches that would destroy everything for an extra buck or an extra vote (and the Newter expects to get both). I’d rather talk and think about fishing, but if I want to be able to do some good fishing I’ve got to do what I can do to prevent the sonsabitches from having their way. And one of those things is to talk about the problem to get others to think and act effectively about it. Besides, from what I hear about the clearcutting going on in British Columbia, you haven’t got enough of those good things I mentioned at the beginning of the last paragraph. Phil Holt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, so there. 4" crappie KING. Mark

Oh yeah!!  *I* was learning to fly fish and was casting onto a pond the size of most people’s driveways, when this Bluegill took the wiggly-green- legged floating fly I had selected to practice with (easy to see).  The hook was about a #8 (big for a fly), and the Bluegill was *exactly* 2 inches long… Brian — Brian Dixon, Machine Vision Engineer, Hewlett Packard (Corvallis, Oregon)

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  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"   red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.   The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.   The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —      _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, so there. 4" crappie KING. Mark

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:  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3" :  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish. : :  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin. :   :  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. :   :   : : — :     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo : |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   : : I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about : their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) : I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, : so there. : 4" crappie KING. : Mark I got a small trout (1" ) on a pheasant tail nymph last thursday. It was a hell of a fight. Thought I never would get it up! He/she was in fine condition so I released it after. Actually I didn’t know I had a fish on until I had made two or three dry casts. But I got a lot of big trouts and growlings (I think its the name in english) — – Peter Aberg         –     _____.              - – S-302 33 HALMSTAD   –              /          - + Tel:46-35-187617    +          O  /           +               – http://www.hh.se:7777/       Flyfish          -  ____        __                   /  _`     / __                 L __ ,_    __   _ __     /  __/ _/  __/ /     _ ____\ __ ____\ _

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3" :  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish. : :  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin. :   :  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. :   :   : : — :     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo : |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   : : I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about : their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) : I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, : so there. : 4" crappie KING. : Mark I got a small trout (1" ) on a pheasant tail nymph last thursday. It was a hell of a fight. Thought I never would get it up! He/she was in fine condition so I released it after. Actually I didn’t know I had a fish on until I had made two or three dry casts. But I got a lot of big trouts and growlings (I think its the name in english) —

Well here’s mine. :^) I caught a 4" perch on a 9" swim whiz while trolling for muskies last Sat. He wasn’t foul hooked either he was hooked in the upper lip by a single hook from the middle treble. BTW Thanks to all the folks who took time to respond to my question about fronts. I will remember the good advice. Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - Peter Aberg         –     _____.              - – S-302 33 HALMSTAD   –              /          - + Tel:46-35-187617    +          O  /           +           – http://www.hh.se:7777/       Flyfish          - ____        __                   /  _`     / __                 L __ ,_    __   _ __     /  __/ _/  __/ /   _ ____\ __ ____\ _

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I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each… Scott Goodwin — |      /|~~~ |EAT. SLEEP. FISH.   "PLAY BALL!" (my 2 favorite words)

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I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each…

I’ve never seen a (yellow) perch smaller than 6", but I have caught those little rock bass.  They are especially aggressive from dusk to darkness. I have a bag of #22 hooks in my tacklebox, along with some 1 lb line.  I have caught redbreast sunfish less than an in with this setup. Just this past Sunday I caught 5 3" striped bass from a small estuary of the Long Island sound.  They were so cute, I wanted to take them home and put them in an aquarium, but they were about 33" short of the 36" minimum! Scott Goodwin — |      /|~~~ |EAT. SLEEP. FISH.   "PLAY BALL!" (my 2 favorite words)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each… I’ve never seen a (yellow) perch smaller than 6", but I have caught those little rock bass.  They are especially aggressive from dusk to darkness. I have a bag of #22 hooks in my tacklebox, along with some 1 lb line.  I have caught redbreast sunfish less than an in with this setup. Just this past Sunday I caught 5 3" striped bass from a small estuary of the Long Island sound.  They were so cute, I wanted to take them home and put them in an aquarium, but they were about 33" short of the 36" minimum!

I’ve got a place on the Winnipeg River in Manitoba, and my dock sits in a small bay used by little feeders while they’re growing up. I use the smallest hook I have, stick a bit of worm on it, and it gets hit within 30 seconds every time. Usually yellow perch 3 or 4 inches long, the odd 6 inch walleye, the odd bass.  Of course the only time we do this is when I’m teaching my two year old son how to fish. He just beams every time he gets one! Plus they hit so light, the hook only gets them in the lip, so we’ve never (to my knowledge) done serious damage to one. Later, when asked how big his fish was, he stands up on his tip-toes and raises his hand high above his head – he’s gonna be a heckuva fisherman.

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