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I recently purchased a Mini Bass boat and a minn kota trolling motor with it, 35lbs of thrust, I boutght a 12v deep cycle battery as well. My question is, how much "life" can I expect out of the battery? if used sparingly during the day, 3 hours? 6 hours? 8 hours? I know it depends on a lot of things, but I’m looking for a ball park figure. Wondering if I should get  second as backup to take along. Other then that, fishing in Weymouth Mass was great this weekend lots of perch, but some pretty healthy largemouth. thanks in advance.

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If the minkota has the maximizer feature and it’s a group 27 or larger battery, expect to fish two days on it, anyway. I can do that no problem with my 50 thrust minkota on a 14-1/2 footer. RichZ

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Screw up good fly fishing.  Nothing worse in the outdoors than a FurWrap that can’t clean fish, dig worms or who can’t make a camp fire, cut or haul wood or who runs out of matches and then doesn’t know how to rub two sticks together, OR who doesn’t make a good pot of coffee.  A well trained FurWrap will deliver a cold bottle of beer streamside and not talk and drown out the sound of singing birds, but there is nothing worse if she doesn’t have a nice mixed drink to hand you when you arrive from a great day of fly fishing before she helps pull off your waders, hangs them up, runs your bath, gets in and soaps you down and later serves you a filet mignon, medium rare. Other than that, they don’t have many more uses or distractions worthy enough to bring them along unless they happen to be a good cribbage player. So tell us Frank?  Why? oh why, oh why this one? George Gehrke "shut up honey and deal"

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<snipped a bunch of misogyny George Gehrke "shut up honey and deal"

George, If you’re still in Rochester you may want to stay there – indefinately. Your post may have been brought to the attention of the wife of a certain retired rod designer who lives not that far from you, and it may not be healthy for you to return home.  8) Bob Weinberger

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Nifty little 5 oz flask packadged with bottles of Cutty Sark for holiday giving.  Keep the flask, slap a bow on the Cutty Sark and give it to your brother-in-law.  Or keep the Cutty Sark and use it to cut Carolan’s Irish Creme 50/50 (that stuffs too sweet and sticky to drink by itself, but no use adding the good stuff to it).  Or use the Cutty Sark to clean your pipe collection. Flask is stainless steel with a charcoal finish, hinged cap keeper, lovingly hand-crafted in far-off and exotic China. The healthful benefits of having a wee nip to keep away the dew while flyfishing cannot be overstressed, and of course, it is unethical to bring a fine fish to hand without toasting his merry health afterwards. And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms. Anyway, nice little flask, it would look really fine with some MacCallan or Famous Grouse in it. Timothy Juvenal

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And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms.

        good post.  many will agree. wayno, courageous even though ominous rumblings are heard from the direction of chambana, illiniville…

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And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms. good post.  many will agree. wayno, courageous even though ominous rumblings are heard from the direction of chambana, illiniville…

Well, here’s one beer drinking flyfisher who ain’t afeared to touch worms. Had a lot of fun at a couple of ROFFian claves feeding them to scotch drinkers who may have had one glass too many.        :) Wolfgang no pictures please!

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"Wolfgang"  wrote … Well, here’s one beer drinking flyfisher who ain’t afeared to touch worms. Had a lot of fun at a couple of ROFFian claves feeding them to scotch drinkers who may have had one glass too many.        :)

Ahh, it seems beer has indeed impaired your thinking: 1.  No such thing as too much Scotch. 2.  Tequilla drinkers are the ones you have to watch out for around the worms.  And of course, watch out for those Saki drinkers around cut bait. 8^)

Timothy Juvenal

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Willi writes: Didn’t know fly fishing required discipline. I’m not a very disciplined person.

Nor am I.  <g  By "three disciplines" I mean dries, nymphs, and streamers ( I consider an emerger to by a dry and a wet to be fished like a streamer or nymph). Dave, You don’t live in Maine do you? Just found a piece of heaven there?

No, I live in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts.  I have found *several* heavens in Maine and it is the main reason (no pun intended) that I bought the RV. Dave

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1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff

In my corner of New England it would be: 1. June 2a. (quantity of fish) June 2b (size of fish) October George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Forgot to add, Willi: We have *big* brookies in Maine.  The largest caught on the Rapid was 27 3/4 inches (on a #12 Goddard).  If you know where they are and what they want, 3 – 5 pounders can be common (remember the iddybiddies that Bruce H. tied at the SJ Clave?? <g)   Also, there are some landlocks that are just plain hawgs.  I took one on the Kennebec this past October that was only 22 inches long, but it had to be around 5 pounds — it was thick around the waist, not unlike me.  <g Dave

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…well, not to be a contrarian little big man, but i’ve yet to discover an unfavorite time of year for fishing the backwoods nc streams…still, to the point, imo and limited experience, the best catching is in april-may and in my birth/re-birth month of october… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff Willi

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Forgot to add, Willi: We have *big* brookies in Maine.  The largest caught on the Rapid was 27 3/4 inches (on a #12 Goddard).  If you know where they are and what they want, 3 – 5 pounders can be common (remember the iddybiddies that Bruce H. tied at the SJ Clave?? <g)   Also, there are some landlocks that are just plain hawgs.  I took one on the Kennebec this past October that was only 22 inches long, but it had to be around 5 pounds — it was thick around the waist, not unlike me. <g Dave

For those that have not been to the Rapid River, don’t bother! I was there, courtesy of the nefarious Pirate of ROFF, earlier this year. The accomadations are paltry; the scenery pedestrian; the fishing, just so-so, and the company, well, let’s not go there… Suffice to say, the fewer people ripped off by spending their time and money on this place, the better for me and Dave…err… I mean… well…err.., the better for them all!!! <GBOSEG Danl See you there next year, Dave….

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Willi In Maine on the Rapid, it would be late May to late June.  The first main hatch has come off when the water temp hits 53 degrees.  It is usually only in the mid 60s by the end of June.  However, if it get above 70, fishing is iffy. Fall fishing would be September on the Rapid, and October on the Kennebec.  All three disciplines can be used successfully. Dave

Same as Dave – late May – early June and September for trout – June for pike – mid-summer for smallies and panfish – fall for chinook, late fall and early spring for steelhead but mid-winter as well when temps permit – mid summer for largemouth – mid summer for carp – like I said, if the water isn’t hard . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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William Loehman wrote… 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing?

1st choice, Late Aug. thru Sept. out west (Rockies) during hopper time. 2nd choice, Anytime out west. 3rd choice, anytime anywhere. 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing?

Anytime except during a really long hot spell in the midwest.   Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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My favorite time in this part of the Rockies is the fall…usually mid-late September and into October.

<snipped a bunch Tim,  where do you live again?  Colorado? — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff

Where I live (central Idaho, in the Sawtooth Mountains) the fishing season begins in March and April for steelhead. Very unethical, but lots of fun nevertheless. Fishing is closed in May on the running water, but you can catch some nice bull trout at the inlets of lakes. June is runoff season. The specific time and duration varies wildly, depending on the snowpack and the weather. In late June and early July you can get very good cutthroat fishing, with suitably sparse salmonfly hatches. The cutthroat are moving into the headwaters to spawn. I suppose that fishing for them is unethical, as well, but so be it. This continues into August, depending on the weather. As the summer progresses the fishing becomes more problematical. The past two years have been low water, high temperature drought years. Finding the fish can be hard. They tend to be found downstream of cold-running springs and tributaries. Starting in late summer the chinook start running. We haven’t had a chinook season in Stanley for a few years, but there were a lot of them this year. The word is that we’ll have a season this year, so I’ll probably try it. Frankly, I prefer trout. Very late summer and fall is the season for the high lakes. It’s a butt-buster to get there, but often enough it’s worth it. After about the middle of October I have to travel somewhere else to fish.

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during years when there is lots of water, i like late august on a certain stream i know when the isonychias start coming off and every big trout in the stream waits for the bugs in shallow water…wahoo!!!…mostly may/june is best here under normal conditions…i love september for trips to the mountain west…the colours are best, the crisp temperatures suit my temperment and the trout are plenty active…. Eugene somewhere in ontario

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff Where I live (central Idaho, in the Sawtooth Mountains) the fishing season begins in March and April for steelhead. Very unethical, but lots of fun nevertheless. Fishing is closed in May on the running water, but you can catch some nice bull trout at the inlets of lakes. June is runoff season. The specific time and duration varies wildly, depending on the snowpack and the weather. In late June and early July you can get very good cutthroat fishing, with suitably sparse salmonfly hatches. The cutthroat are moving into the headwaters to spawn. I suppose that fishing for them is unethical, as well, but so be it. This continues into August, depending on the weather. As the summer progresses the fishing becomes more problematical. The past two years have been low water, high temperature drought years. Finding the fish can be hard. They tend to be found downstream of cold-running springs and tributaries. Starting in late summer the chinook start running. We haven’t had a chinook season in Stanley for a few years, but there were a lot of them this year. The word is that we’ll have a season this year, so I’ll probably try it. Frankly, I prefer trout. Very late summer and fall is the season for the high lakes. It’s a butt-buster to get there, but often enough it’s worth it. After about the middle of October I have to travel somewhere else to fish.

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during years when there is lots of water, i like late august on a certain stream i know when the isonychias start coming off

I’m bad on Latin, is there a common name for the fly? Is the hatch restricted to that given stream? and every big trout in the stream waits for the bugs in shallow water…wahoo!!!..

Nothing more fun than a hatch that moves the big fish into shallow feeding stations. Willi

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… for fishing the backwoods nc streams…best catching is in april-may

Been there.  Done it.  Concur. and in my birth/re-birth month of october…

Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. jeff

Late November through early March, I prefer NZ or Chile. Wolfgang

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1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing?

Here in Tennessee, I prefer now through the dead of winter.  I think that time provides me as good fishing as any other time…mostly because I suck so bad at it, so I don’t see a difference!  Seriously, I’d take now through February over any other time here. Bruce Thomsen

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1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My answer for both 1 & 2 (for trout & summer steelhead in Oregon, Washington & Idaho) is September and October.  I often wish that the conditions of early October lasted 6 mos.

Bob, I wish you’d quit telling people this.  I know we like to kid that there’s no good fishing here, but if you actively disseminate this sort of misinformation, it could cause real harm.  Some poor Floridian or Californian might spend all his hard-earned vacation money to come here when you "recommend" and miss the really good fishing in, oh, say, February. JR (who is speaking ONLY about Oregon and understands the Sept/Oct fishing in WA and ID really IS fantastic) http://www.visitid.org/   Idaho Tourism ("Great Potatoes, Tasty Destinations") http://www.tourism.wa.gov/ Washington Tourism ("A Little Trip to the Extraordinary")

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My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing?

Well now, that is an excellent question.  Willi?  I cannot name just one time of year, because it depends so much on what major fly fishing celebrity I’m fishing with and upon which continent I am on.  Also, weather fishing bamboo or not effects the answer. One of my fondest memories is flying Lee Wolf down to Argentina in my MIG-27.  We went in October because the autumn time is so beautiful in Argentina in the fall.  It was one of HIS last seasons and he asked me to do him this little favor and of course I obliged, my good friend. My fly had become tattered from catching so many large browns (they have teeth like crocodiles down there) that I killed and field dressed a cockaburra with my Swiss army knife, given to me by my deer friend George Harvey Oswald.  I cut urine-stained fur from this female, and this natural fiber orangey-gray shade is the ONLY color and material that the fall-spawning large browns down there will hit on.  I redressed my fly. Most people don’t realize you can do this, but I have done things you can only dream about.  And you know?  On the very first cast I landed a huge hen on 11x tippet.  (Several months ago, with the decreasing diameter tippet they were making now, I predicted they would come up with this, and they did.  It is too difficult to work with for most fishermen though, we don’t recommend it for normal fishing.) Lee looked at me holding that fat trophy and he said to me "George" he said, "I think that is one of the largest, most beautiful native browns I’ve ever seen, if not a record."  As I returned the 36 lb. monster safely to her home, I noticed a look of contentment and serenity on Lee’s face that I had never noticed before.  I now knew he would die a happy man, and this journey had been worthwhile.  It must be said, fall, is my favorite time.  That is all the time I have to answer your question at this time.  Good question Willi.  We enjoyed the diversion.

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My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing.

Good for a laugh. Missing George already are ya? Willi

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My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing?

I like spring, because everything is headed in the "right direction".  Water is cold but getting warmer, days are getting longer, hatches are getting more heavy.  The whole world is waxing rather than waning.

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<awesome gibberish snipped aruhdean, izzat you?  Just don’t go so far into GG’s head that you can’t find your way out.  Leave a trail of bread crumbs, or something. Kevin maybe a trail of gink…

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Fall fishing would be September on the Rapid, and October on the Kennebec.  All three disciplines can be used successfully.

Didn’t know fly fishing required discipline. I’m not a very disciplined person. Dave, You don’t live in Maine do you? Just found a piece of heaven there? Willi

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My favorite time in this part of the Rockies is the fall…usually mid-late September and into October. The weather is cooler, and the fish are pretty hungry before the winter. There are bwo hatches. With the water low and clear, it can be pretty technical and challenging. But, we catch fish on dries even as late as mid-October. As far as the best fishing…..usually I find it is best when the water clears just after runoff, about early July. Less technical due to the higher and faster water, but the water is still pretty cool so the fish are active. But, to be honest, we can allways seem to find times and places when the fishing will be good. Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff Willi

In the GWN, anytime the water isn’t hard. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi writes: My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff Willi

In Maine on the Rapid, it would be late May to late June.  The first main hatch has come off when the water temp hits 53 degrees.  It is usually only in the mid 60s by the end of June.  However, if it get above 70, fishing is iffy. Fall fishing would be September on the Rapid, and October on the Kennebec.  All three disciplines can be used successfully. Dave

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My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing?

1. Definitely fall (okay, indian summer) 2. For me personally? I do pretty good in pre-runoff also, usually the March Brown and/or Skwala hatch as well as streamer fishing before the melt hits. I do think that early July has some of the best fishing of the year around here (only around 3000 to 4000′ MSL). Usually, PMD’s, Green Drakes and plenty of caddis as well as reasonable thunderstorms to provide some cloud cover so it’s not just constant bright sun (man, I hate that). — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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My thread on September weather has caused a debate about Fall fishing. Here’s a question for everyone. 1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing? My guess is that there will be some regional differences and differences depending on the species. My answers: I fish mainly in Colorado for trout. 1. Fall  2. Late prerunoff Willi

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1. What time of year is your favorite for fishing? 2. What time of the year provides the best fishing?

My answer for both 1 & 2 (for trout & summer steelhead in Oregon, Washington & Idaho) is September and October.  I often wish that the conditions of early October lasted 6 mos. Bob Weinberger

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jon Cook writes: : So, our esteemed ROFFian Ken Fortenberry left for the New Mexico ‘clave : yesterday morning.  Want to guess what the weather is like in that section : of the country today?   d;0) Hah! at weather.com for Farmington, NM, they list:  Today, showers, high 48, low 30 That is sooo eerily funny! The rest is:  Saturday, partly cloudy, 50/28  Sunday, snow, 44/24  Monday, partly cloudy, 38/24 The upside is with clouds come hatches! JonCook. —

It was predictable, Jon.  It is the Forty Curse.  I’ll guarantee he is smiling all day today, and not because he’s fishing. See you on Sunday. Dave

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In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day.

And I’ll take the sure bet of Louie on Day 1. /daytripper

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In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul Dave and all the other SJ clavers, May your traveling be safe, your fishing fine, and your upper half remain dry. Darin

Hell, I got Louie on the first three hours.  I’ve seen that boy wade and it ain’t pretty. If Tripper was there, I’d pick him for "first off the dock." doing the full gainer with a one-and-a-half twist with a fish on, that he has made famous. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Daytrtipper: In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. And I’ll take the sure bet of Louie on Day 1. /daytripper

I am bringing my wading walker with me – it folds up and the airline said ok. I *can’t* fall with that.  d;0) D.

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Fort’s curse reversed: he got my ol’ Whiskerface for a room mate.  And I got to visit my mother all day.  I can’t believe y’all guys are worried about the weather.  Northern mountainous New Mexico in mid-December?  Nah – y’all are tough guys, right? Remember a bad day fishing is better than a good day working. Bob’s (fisher)wife in El Paso. "It doesn’t do to leave a dragon out of your calculations if you live near one." Bilbo Baggins.

It was predictable, Jon.  It is the Forty Curse.  I’ll guarantee he is smiling all day today, and not because he’s fishing.  See you on Sunday.  Dave

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As long as there are no uphill *speed-bumps* on the trail to the water, Tripper would do just fine. — Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**

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If’n we can just get Frank Reid to show up, these other stumblebums don’t have a chance, my money is on Fabulous Frank!!  ;-) Frank (living on the memories of the Rapp Clave) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul Dave and all the other SJ clavers, May your traveling be safe, your fishing fine, and your upper half remain dry. Darin Hell, I got Louie on the first three hours.  I’ve seen that boy wade and it ain’t pretty. If Tripper was there, I’d pick him for "first off the dock." doing the full gainer with a one-and-a-half twist with a fish on, that he has made famous. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

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Naw, I saw Tripper doing a deep water two-step with a recalcitrant wading staff and he didn’t go down. He’s as sure footed as a millipede. However, he is liable to break something. Once every two years whether he needs to or not. (ankle, collar bone, back, face, back again, neck, knee) Did I leave anything out? Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul Dave and all the other SJ clavers, May your traveling be safe, your fishing fine, and your upper half remain dry. Darin Hell, I got Louie on the first three hours.  I’ve seen that boy wade and it ain’t pretty. If Tripper was there, I’d pick him for "first off the dock." doing the full gainer with a one-and-a-half twist with a fish on, that he has made famous. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

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Yeah, the knee is a disappointment – it was one of the last two things that still worked… And to my Canadian friend: sadly, that was only a half-twist. Lost degree of difficulty points, but scored high by not losing the salmon… /daytripper (*Anyone* can catch a fish standing still – where’s the challenge in that? ;^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Naw, I saw Tripper doing a deep water two-step with a recalcitrant wading staff and he didn’t go down. He’s as sure footed as a millipede. However, he is liable to break something. Once every two years whether he needs to or not. (ankle, collar bone, back, face, back again, neck, knee) Did I leave anything out? Paul In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul Dave and all the other SJ clavers, May your traveling be safe, your fishing fine, and your upper half remain dry. Darin Hell, I got Louie on the first three hours.  I’ve seen that boy wade and it ain’t pretty. If Tripper was there, I’d pick him for "first off the dock." doing the full gainer with a one-and-a-half twist with a fish on, that he has made famous. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Full contact Fly fishing. Now that’s a sport.

May well be happening down in the land of enchantment even as we speak (so to speak) if the promises made here in the last month or so carry any weight.     Wolfgang never a satellite receiver around when you need one

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In the who goes swimming first pool,… I’ll take Fortenberry and 2 hours on day 2 for a dozen flys!!

WE HAVE A WINNER ! Dan’l and I went to Float ‘n Fish after lunch on Day 2. Much to my everlasting shame and embarrassment, I purchased a strike indicator. Oh, the flyfishing gods were PISSED ! I took a swim at the top of Audie’s Run just minutes after tying on the friggin’ bobber. I thanked the flyfishing gods for lettin’ me off easy, and used nothing but dry flies for the rest of the trip. Somebody owes Mr. Hart a dozen flies. — Ken Fortenberry

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Dan’l and I went to Float ‘n Fish after lunch on Day 2. Much to my everlasting shame and embarrassment, I purchased a strike indicator.

You PURCHASED a strike indicator!? Do you buy, like, ONE? Bruiser’s strike indicators, made of macrame rope (I swear I’ve seen it used for soft rope halters) are the BEST. They’re easy to install, they float like a bloated corpse (with one application of floatant), and they move with the faintest strike. They saved my cookies on the last day. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Full contact Fly fishing. Now that’s a sport. "can I get a ruling on this? You take a drop two rod lengths from the moose."

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, the knee is a disappointment – it was one of the last two things that still worked… And to my Canadian friend: sadly, that was only a half-twist. Lost degree of difficulty points, but scored high by not losing the salmon… /daytripper (*Anyone* can catch a fish standing still – where’s the challenge in that? ;^) Naw, I saw Tripper doing a deep water two-step with a recalcitrant wading staff and he didn’t go down. He’s as sure footed as a millipede. However, he is liable to break something. Once every two years whether he needs to or not. (ankle, collar bone, back, face, back again, neck, knee) Did I leave anything out? Paul In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul Dave and all the other SJ clavers, May your traveling be safe, your fishing fine, and your upper half remain dry. Darin Hell, I got Louie on the first three hours.  I’ve seen that boy wade and it ain’t pretty. If Tripper was there, I’d pick him for "first off the dock." doing the full gainer with a one-and-a-half twist with a fish on, that he has made famous. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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So, our esteemed ROFFian Ken Fortenberry left for the New Mexico ‘clave yesterday morning.  Want to guess what the weather is like in that section of the country today?   d;0)

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Dave and all the other SJ clavers, May your traveling be safe, your fishing fine, and your upper half remain dry. Darin

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and your upper half remain dry.

Is that like wishing them leaky waders? <g — Charlie…

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In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul

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So, our esteemed ROFFian Ken Fortenberry left for the New Mexico ‘clave yesterday morning.  Want to guess what the weather is like in that section of the country today?   d;0)

Do us all a favor Dave, and pack some splints, bandages, iodine, sutures, and a couple of big boxes to ship a pair of busted up old ROFFians home in.       Wolfgang fretting over who is to act as referee

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Hah! You obviously have never witnessed the spectacle that I bring to the art of wading. Danl leaving for the SJ, somehow I’ve got more stuff for a 4 day trip than I did for 3 weeks in Montana… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul Dave and all the other SJ clavers, May your traveling be safe, your fishing fine, and your upper half remain dry. Darin

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In the who goes swimming first pool, I’ll pick Louie on the 2nd day. Paul

I’ll take Fortenberry and 2 hours on day 2 for a dozen flys!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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and your upper half remain dry. Is that like wishing them leaky waders? <g — Charlie…

Or pissing their pants. Ernie

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Actually, here’s the safest bet of all: Forty’s already arguing with his guide about indicator usage. It will be cold like crazy.  Dan’l if it’s not too late to ask, when do you arrive?  I’m picking up rw at 7 or so and we’re heading to the river from the airport.  We’ll arrive about midnight and start fishing at 2 or so (g). Also, i guess bob jones is already there and blackcat’s on his way. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Wolfgang: Do us all a favor Dave, and pack some splints, bandages, iodine, sutures, and a couple of big boxes to ship a pair of busted up old ROFFians home in.

Dave, who will try to see things are copesetic at all times…

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then not.  The colder the temperatures fall the deeper and slower one needs t go.  If you can nymph in shallower waters like Jim Teeny does and get the fly ON THE BOTTOM, this is what it takes to move a fish. Trust me.  I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of hook ups in all kinds of water temperatures and it takes warmer waters to make Ironheads spunky or even interested in chasing anything way up there on the surface. This is the main reason fly line manufacturing companies make fly lines that float, sink a little, or sink a lot. hum? Deep and slow is the trick.  If you’re fishing a #8 Wt fly rod and floating line, switch over to a #9 HD SINKING shooting head if you can’t get down to the bottom fast enough.  Then there is the question, HOW do I slow that swing down? Well, if you cast straight across a current, throw in a mend t get the line down before the current grabs it, that fly will come across as fast as the current can take it.  The trick then is to cast 45 degrees down river, where I then throw a forward roll cast of sorts for a mend (or a mend) or better still, cast hard and let the fly line snap back with lots of S curves and/or slack in it and then snake your fly rod feeding out extra slack, thus giving your fly line time to sink deep.  What remains is a very distant cast, a deeply sunk fly that once all the slack is gone and the current finally grabs it, the fly comes across SLOWLY and DEEPLY, on the bottom and across the face of a Steelhead interested enough to move over and inhale your fly. That’s about it.  Low and Slow and stay warm. George Gehrke — Mr. G. All Writings

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I’ve been boating for over 20 years and fly fishing for half of that…while waders will not "sink" you, they will act as a sea anchor if not used with a belt…they should  be great for keeping your feet warm when used with a dry suit…great idea.  KA I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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Most people who drown in waders are wearing the old style rubberized canvass waders, they are big an baggy and would hold allot of water. Additionally most people who drown while wearing waders are not wearing a PFD.  Most modern waders are neoprene and have a snug fit.  Still you should always wear a belt to keep water from going down into the legs, and always wear a PFD, especially in cold water!!!!!!! SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim,  be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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I tried it myself a couple years ago when I was playing with the Buzz SOT, and stayed bone dry. I made a neoprene belt. i dunno about classIV+ swims. Those experiments ended when I found a nearly new Kokatat dry suit for $200. But this winter I’ll combine them for a real cold trip. Gregg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim, be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try neoprene waders under the dry suit. This would add a little more bulk and not all boats would have space. But putting the wader into the dry suit then donning the whole thing would eliminate wrestling with  the ankle gaskets. Feet would stay toasty dry, ass would also be warm and dry also and that alone should save lots of body heat. There might be excess air in the legs, but there wouldn’t be any reason not to walk out into 4′ feet of water for a quick burp out the neck gasket. This might actually be too warm for any padding when air temps aren’t below freezing, but that’s a risk I’d take. Risk of flooding would be exactly the same as the dry suit minus the waders . Maybe I should just get a thousand pair from China, slap on cool logos and sell them in Outside magazine for $200. Gregg

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Hi, I just wanted to relate a good experience I’ve recently had with Orvis. I bought my first Orvis rod back in 1982 and built about a dozen rods from Orvis blanks for myself and others during the 80’s and early 90’s. Back in the early 80’s, when graphite was just beginning to emerge as the dominant rod blank material, Orvis basically had a stronghold on the market and concepts like lifetime guarantees on flyrods were pretty much unheard of. But today, there is fierce competition for the flyfishing tackle dollar and most vendors offer lifetime guarantees on both pre-built rods *and* blanks. Since Orvis does not offer guarantees on blanks, however, most of the rods I’ve built lately have been from other vendors’ components. So, when my Orvis PM-10 8wt rod snapped during a cast a couple of months ago, I basically said to myself: "Well, it looks like I’m going have to buy a new 8wt blank – and it’s *not* going to be an Orvis!" Instead of just giving up, however, I had the San Francisco Orvis shop send the rod back to the factory in Manchester, VT for "evaluation" (which I assumed meant they would soon be sending me a bill for repairs) and in the meantime I started making plans to buy a GLoomis IMX blank at a good sale price to replace it. But, to my suprise, the people in Manchester came through and replaced the blank free of charge after evaluating the blank as being defective – which seemed only reasonable, since the rod had snapped in a segment which was not related to any of my rodbuilding work. So, just when I had all but written Orvis off as being out of step with companies like GLoomis, Redington, Sage, etc. they came through for me in a big way even though there was no formal guarantee requiring them to do so. Anyway, I don’t intend this as an unfettered endorsement of Orvis over other vendors (I’ll certainly continue to buy my blanks from a wide cross section of vendors). But, I just felt I should give a little credit where credit was due. Regards, Fred

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 IMX blank at a good sale price to replace it. But, to my suprise, the people in Manchester came through and replaced the blank free of charge after evaluating the blank as being defective – which seemed only reasonable, since the rod had snapped in a segment which was not related to any of my rodbuilding work. So, just when I had all but written Orvis off as being out of step with companies like GLoomis, Redington, Sage, etc. they came through for me in a big way even though there was no formal guarantee requiring them to do so.

Hi Fred, I know some of the people on this group are not happy with Orvis but I’ve always found them to be a good company to do business with.  Maybe in the future I’ll change my mind but nothing has happened yet to encourage that. – Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I ordered a pair of hippers from Orvis.  I was not happy with the fabric (I wanted canvas not nylon/rubber).   I returned them immediately to Orvis for a full refund.   A month later I received a notice of recall for the hippers.  There was a defect in the waders which caused them to rub on your leg.  Included in the letter was a prepaid mailing label.  I had already mailed mine back so the label did not help me. BUT, the letter also mentioned that a $125.00 gift certificate (for my time and effort) would be issued as soon as the waders were returned.  I immediatly called Orvis with my explaination and I received the gift certificate a few days later. Now thats CUSTOMER SERVICE. David Clemmons

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ordered a pair of hippers from Orvis.  I was not happy with the fabric (I wanted canvas not nylon/rubber).   I returned them immediately to Orvis for a full refund. A month later I received a notice of recall for the hippers.  There was a defect in the waders which caused them to rub on your leg.  Included in the letter was a prepaid mailing label.  I had already mailed mine back so the label did not help me. BUT, the letter also mentioned that a $125.00 gift certificate (for my time and effort) would be issued as soon as the waders were returned.  I immediatly called Orvis with my explaination and I received the gift certificate a few days later. Now thats CUSTOMER SERVICE. David Clemmons

I’ve also had great luck with them regarding returns. I’m sure this note will be followed by endless sob stories, but last year I had a long thorn streamside tear my waders. I took them back, and although they were more than 12 months old, they were replaced at no cost to me. Dittos! Keith in Waterford, VA

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I also recently had an incredibly great experience with Orvis Customer Service.  While in Yellowstone in mid-September, one of my fishing partners broke the butt section of my little HLS 4 wt One-Ouncer.  I knew I had a 25-year guarantee, but I wondered what Orvis would do since they no longer make that rod.  I’ve tried their other one ounce rods and I don’t like them nearly as much as that old model. I returned the rod to the shop in Montana where I purchased it.  Since I carry my rods in a travel case while on the road, I didn’t have the case or sleeve. Low-and behold, 8 days after I dropped the rod off with the dealer, I got a big FedEx overnight package from Orvis.  It was a brand-new One Ouncer, complete with new case, and sleeve.  I was hoping I’d get a new butt section, but to get a whole new setup, and in such a short period of time was very impressive.  Needless to say, I’m extremely happy with their customer service. Bruce Jones

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Any ideas on shad fishing in the Columiba River would be appreciated. Thanks! K Lawson

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Any ideas on shad fishing in the Columiba River would be appreciated. Thanks! K Lawson

My father in law uses a white jig or maybe its a small white fly.  I didn’t go and it was 5 years ago or so when he told me.  He fishes by McNary dam I think it is, downstream of the dam. Nice size fish I saw them, but I personally haven’t fished for shad. Tight lines.

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Last month someone on this newsgroup posted an inquiry regarding where to find appropriately sized waders for children. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name/address of the poster. I believe I referred him/her to LL Bean, Cabela, or Damsel Fly. Yesterday I received a catalog from "The Global Flyfisher" in Northbrook, Illinois which lists "Fly Tech Youth Waders" which sound like exactly what this person was looking for. The listing in the catalog: "Finally, Fly Tech brings us an affordable neoprene youth wader! These youth waders have everything adult waders have. Made of 3.5mm Neoprene with a high back and adjustable suspenders. They have a large handwarmer pocket, padded knee pads, Hypalon soles, 3-D rings for accessories. Gravel guards and repair kit included. Brown." Comes in Small, Medium, and Large (they include a sizing chart). Price= $65.00 Phone: 800-457-7026 I have no ties to this company and have not seen the waders myself except in a picture, but I thought if the person was still out there looking for waders for their kid this might be the ticket.

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I’d like to hear a serious discussion of peripheral gear…waders and boots.  Let me start by telling those what I have found out then pose some questions.  Stocking foot waders seem to be more versatile than booted waders i.e. your stocking foots can go into your float tube fins for example and you have your choice of boots, felt sole for mossy bottom cleats for whatever. Neoprenes seem to have no use.  As someone who travels I need all the lightness and space I can get.  Even in the coldest Western stream I am toasty warm in plastic redball waders and sweet pants for insulation.  I use my waders protective socks made of neoprene that are designed to prevent chafing of the lightweight waders and keep gravel out with a cuff INSIDE my waders over my socks.  This keeps my feet warm and prevents me from feeling that bunched up sock and wader feeling that we all hate after walking around with all this gear on.  This negates the protection of the wader but really feels comfortable all day long.  If you have any other tips to share please post them.  Using this system of layering under thin waders I have put my neoprenes away forever.   My questions are do the Gortex fabrics that allow the wader to breath keep you drier inside on a hot day?  Do they really work as advertised?  My biggest problem is that sweaty clammy feeling from wearing a plastic bag all day.  Second, for those of you who have to hike in and pass through water to fish what do you do?  Feltsole boots are crappy hiking boots.  I’m thinking of forgetting the feltsoles and   trying hiking boots in my waders.   Anyone do this?  

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what do you do?  Feltsole boots are crappy hiking boots.  I’m thinking of forgetting the feltsoles and   trying hiking boots in my waders.   Anyone do this?

Hiking boots are crappy wading boots. If you step on a smooth, wet rock with rubber soled boots you might as well be wearing roller skates. Tight Lines Jay Whitworth

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Griz, Regarding you idea about using hiking boots with your waders, while I haven’t done that yet, I plan to. For years I used nothing but a three-ply (canvas, rubber,canvas) pair of hodgman’s hippers. I love them because they’re the toughest thing you can get for the money. However, i find as I stray farther from my home waters that I need chest waders, and I happened upon a going out of business sale and got a pair of neo. for $50. However, because the boots are so expensive and I’m so cheap, I thought about just going to a discount store and buying some fake leather hiking boots. Seems logical. I’ll tell you how they work when I get back from a trip to the west branch of the delaware in New York.  I’m looking forward to a heavy hendrikson hatch. grant

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Griz, Regarding you idea about using hiking boots with your waders, while I haven’t done that yet, I plan to. For years I used nothing but a three-ply (canvas, rubber,canvas) pair of hodgman’s hippers. I love them because they’re the toughest thing you can get for the money. However, i find as I stray farther from my home waters that I need chest waders, and I happened upon a going out of business sale and got a pair of neo. for $50. However, because the boots are so expensive and I’m so cheap, I thought about just going to a discount store and buying some fake leather hiking boots. Seems logical. I’ll tell you how they work when I get back from a trip to the west branch of the delaware in New York.  I’m looking forward to a heavy hendrikson hatch. grant

Hi Grant, For years I used a pair of jungle boots purchased at a surplus store. All I had to do was glue indoor/outdoor carpet to the soles. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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