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What type of reel do you use?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\ The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries.

So do we owe you a belated congratulations?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\ The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries. So do we owe you a belated congratulations?

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Chev or Ford?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\ The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\ I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

Hey, wow, that’s pretty darned good……except you misspelled "cheeks". Wolfgang interesting name, is that portugese?

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\

The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries. But I do see your point.

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\ The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\ I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars.

If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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\ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\

The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\

I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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To anyone that replies to this, please remove rec.outdoors.fishing.fly from the send to list.

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Hearing the overwhelming voice of the American people,  a bi-partisan bill was introduced to enact the Roadless Rule in law. The bill already  has 172 votes in the house.  Im glad to see SOME politicians still care about the wishes of the people of America.

OK, I’ll bite.  What’s a roadless rule?  -Dave — On hotmail dot com, I am user "junknothankyou".

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Hearing the overwhelming voice of the American people,  a bi-partisan bill was introduced to enact the Roadless Rule in law. The bill already  has 172 votes in the house.  Im glad to see SOME politicians still care about the wishes of the people of America. Also, Bush again tries to make taxpayers  pay for corporate pollution. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2444-2002Jun5.html do Nothing Bush: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/06/opinion/06HERB.html Air Force Col suspended for bad mouthing Bush: http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/3393351.htm — Sent by  arvon45 from yahoo included in com This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header. Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new

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My only experiece with spawners has involved brookies. I have , for many years, observed them spawning. Many fall fishing trips have turned into fish watching expeditions. One thing I have noriced, is that anything that drifts into the redd will be challenged, usually by the Alpha male. Many times the offending object is picked up and spit out by the fish. When the Alpha male leaves the redd, a bunch of smaller males will rush in and attempt to fertilize the eggs, only to be violently chased out when the big guy returns. Other fish on the redd will also go after foriegn objects if the Alpha male doesn’t respond. Brookies will occassionally "take a break" from the redd, and feed for a while in the adjacent area. This "break" can last from a few minutes to over an hour. Brookies do not always form redds from scratch, but will utilize a gravel area that is kept clean by streamflow. Don’t know if this adds anything to the discussion, but thought I’d throw it in. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Fishing on the redds, eh? There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island. Isn’t that what they call a non sequitur?

Not if the little old lady is Marge Shott. FiddleAway

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My only experiece with spawners has involved brookies. I have , for many years, observed them spawning. Many fall fishing trips have turned into fish watching expeditions. One thing I have noriced, is that anything that drifts into the redd will be challenged, usually by the Alpha male. Many times the offending object is picked up and spit out by the fish. When the Alpha male leaves the redd, a bunch of smaller males will rush in and attempt to fertilize the eggs, only to be violently chased out when the big guy returns. Other fish on the redd will also go after foriegn objects if the Alpha male doesn’t respond.

Geez. All this time I thought I was the only unethical SOB on ROFF who fished on redds.

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One thing I have noriced, is that anything that drifts into the redd will be challenged, usually by the Alpha male. Many times the offending object is picked up and spit out by the fish. Other fish on the redd will also go after foriegn objects if the Alpha male doesn’t respond.

The same is very true of salmon apparently and as a result, that is exactly the behavior the guide was targeting with the ultra-light, ultra-small natural approach.  The trick is to learn the feel of the fly being sucked in and responding with a very quick, but relatively light hook set (the guide referred to it as a "pre-set"), before the fish spits it out again.  Once you get that feel dialed it is amazingly repetitive.  We were disproportionately successful to those fishing nearby for two days by nearly 4 or 5 to one.  That seemed to hold true for others we encountered in the fly shops and around town, as well.  What others were describing as slow days on the river were some of the most successful days of fishing in my life. I am now a firm convert to this method, where applicable. TL Zippy

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Geez. All this time I thought I was the only unethical SOB on ROFF who fished on redds.

Never said I fished ‘em…only observed.{:-) Actually, I used to fish redds, but gave it up after It finally dawned on me that the fish would take just about anything, and were damn near impossible to spook. They’d scatter, but be back on the redd within minutes. Haven’t been able to spy on the little buggers this fall as the prime viewing area has been placed off limits due to the threat of terrorist activity. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her   redd. Any other  ideas? I’ve been trying to find time to put together a trip report on the Salmon River for a month now, but it involved a local guide teaching me a new way (new to me, at least) of targeting salmon.  It centered around small…very small…seemingly improbably small….naturals on frightfully light tippets.  It was outstandingly successful…so much so, that under similar circumstances, I would be hard pressed not to use his method as the "go to" approach. Anyhow, his theory centered around not only a "housekeeping" attitude, but a general territorial defense response, especially for competing males. Got to find a few minutes to cobble that TR together for contribution…. TL, Zippy

Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or  outright snaggin MT

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There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island. Isn’t that what they call a non sequitur?

christmas island is a non sequi-tour?  how much does it cost? jeff (who’s taken too many sequi-tours)

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Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or  outright snaggin MT

I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy

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Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or  outright snaggin MT I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy

Will look forward to it. My  arm gets real tired of trying to drag a salmon hooked in the top fin sideways thru fast water <G  MT

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or outright snaggin MT I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy Will look forward to it. My  arm gets real tired of trying to drag a salmon hooked in the top fin sideways thru fast water <G  MT

the best solution for large foul hooked fish is to simply point the rod at the fish and break it off.  my opinion is that a fly stuck on a fish causes less stress than the longer landing time required for foul hooked fish (especially those hooked on the back or the tail).  since in most places one must release any foul hooked fish, this is my preference with the accidental foul hooked fish. chris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id be very interested to hear this approach as  I fish  Pulaski often and would prefer a method that didn t involve, lots of luck or outright snaggin MT I’ll get on about writing the TR this weekend, Mark.  I’ll try to give a better description of the setup and approach.  Still managed to tail snag about 4 of ‘em that trip, but for the first time salmon fishing, I didn’t feel like I was relying entirely on luck, so I know the feeling well. TL, Zippy Will look forward to it. My  arm gets real tired of trying to drag a salmon hooked in the top fin sideways thru fast water <G  MT the best solution for large foul hooked fish is to simply point the rod at the fish and break it off.  my opinion is that a fly stuck on a fish causes less stress than the longer landing time required for foul hooked fish (especially those hooked on the back or the tail).  since in most places one must release any foul hooked fish, this is my preference with the accidental foul hooked fish. chris

Hi Chris  I  do  folow this practice, tho sometimes it s 10 mins into the fight and about 100 yards  down river…..  MT

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Fishing on the redds, eh? There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island.

Isn’t that what they call a non sequitur? Tell here there are no redds at Christmas Island.

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Fishing on the redds, eh?

There’s a lady over in rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater looking for info on Christmas Island. — Ken Fortenberry

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The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her   redd. Any other  ideas?

I’ve been trying to find time to put together a trip report on the Salmon River for a month now, but it involved a local guide teaching me a new way (new to me, at least) of targeting salmon.  It centered around small…very small…seemingly improbably small….naturals on frightfully light tippets.  It was outstandingly successful…so much so, that under similar circumstances, I would be hard pressed not to use his method as the "go to" approach. Anyhow, his theory centered around not only a "housekeeping" attitude, but a general territorial defense response, especially for competing males. Got to find a few minutes to cobble that TR together for contribution…. TL, Zippy

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  I was fishing in Oswego  for trout  coming in  from the lake. Some nice  rainbows, steel head and Browns  had been taken that day. Most of the  fisherman were using  egg patterns or egg sacks. Deciding something different might work I tried  a  Size 8 stone fly nymph.  The line came to a stop, I  set the hook  and about 10 minutes later landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her   redd. Any other  ideas?  MT

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  I was fishing in Oswego  for trout  coming in  from the lake. Some nice  rainbows, steel head and Browns  had been taken that day. Most of the  fisherman were using  egg patterns or egg sacks. Deciding something different might work I tried  a  Size 8 stone fly nymph.  The line came to a stop, I  set the hook  and about 10 minutes later landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas?

    Being a pregnant female, she probably mistook it for chocolate.

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… landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas?

Housekeeping. I caught Muskegon steelhead the same way. They don’t eat, of course, but they will clear insects out of their redds. — Ken Fortenberry

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… landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas? Housekeeping. I caught Muskegon steelhead the same way. They don’t eat, of course, but they will clear insects out of their redds.

Fishing on the redds, eh?

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 The line came to a stop, I  set the hook  and about 10 minutes later landed  a female King that was ready to spawn. Why would she have taken a nymph? The only thing I can think of was that it drifted into her redd. Any other  ideas?

I dunno, but up there I really try to avoid egg patterns unless I’m desperate.   Lots of nymph patterns work well, & I saw a guy last year catch about a 20-pounder on a GR Hare’s Ear.  FWIW Joe F.

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That’s right you stupid, inbred,

Get a life. — Andrea

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Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in. Have you met George? Of course you have being God and all that…

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I’m afraid Adam is wrong!  Ken Fortenberry is my GOD! Op

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Yowie — RPCA e-list: catslaves-subscribe (at) yahoogroups (dot) com RPCA FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy)

Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland. — Marina

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.  :-)

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

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\Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in.\ hahahahahhahahahaha. Thanks for the much needed laugh. -Muskie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.

Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

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Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

Dear Dusty: Maybe you could ask your mom to get you some calamari rings – if you cook them long enough they are just like rubber bands, but easier to digest.  :-)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else? Karen

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Stoned troll soup! I’ll put in some soup bones to give it flavor and some zucchini to mellow the nastiness of the troll. And after all the veggies have been added, I like to throw in a handful of brown rice and finish off with a few noodles. Sprinkle with fresh parsley and Parmesan and serve with garlic toast. Yummm. CATherine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu.

Jellyfish is a good substitute for rubber bands.  Or at least that’s what I thought when I had it in a restaurant once.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy. That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else?

If I had to guess, I’d say the dressing was made with sweetened rice vinegar and oil, with just a touch of a citrus juice, lemon or lime.  Hard to say for sure though.  It definitely had a vinegary taste but was also sweet.

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So,how’s the fishing been in heaven then? — Gary My God can beat up your God.

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Trouble is, the stone doesn’t shed bits of flesh, the troll does!  (And we certainly don’t want to EAT anything it’s been cooking in, do we?)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.

 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh! Yowie

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 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

Did you ever notice that the old type of fax machine paper smelled like mushrooms?   Blick. TJ  (who was just thinking "did I write that out loud?"  or was it just in my head,  I feel like Homer Simpson)

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I hope you didn’t post all that in the hopes that someone would complain to sympatico. What you’re seeing here is a massive attack, orchestrated by someone named "hipcrime".  The messages are actually coming from "newsfeed.sovam.com" not sympatico.  The rest of the headers are forged.  Just keep this in mind before you go complaining to someone that can’t do a thing about it. newsfeed.sovam.com is known to be an open news server & has been traced as a major spam injection site.  The chances of it being taken out are slim to none.  The best thing you can do is either killfile or ignore.  You can also ask your news provider to block messages coming from sovam.com.  Whatever you do, don’t continue to reply or crosspost (yes, I know I am).  Just forget it. For more info, check out alt.config or news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  And, fwiw, these posts *are* not coming from Adam Kerman.  Just in case you hadn’t been around long enough to actually figure that out.

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I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.  I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

As a kid, I used to hate mushrooms, and as luck would have it, I have a Mum who is mad about them. Each Autumn, she goes a-gathering heaps of them in the forest. I would dread our meals in Autumn, because I knew Mum would hide mushrooms in *everything*! In meatloafs, meatballs, sauces, salads, everywhere. Then she would watch me to see if I noticed. Well, of course I did, obnoxious teenager as I was. I had to grow out of being an obnoxious teenager before I could really *taste* mushrooms, and realise that I actually like them. — Marina

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That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks.   Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody.   A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it.   Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven.   Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.  

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Did this guy kill Brent K. Kohler or something? (I can’t believe I even remember that name) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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  There’s fish in there all year round, but in the winter it’s also stocked with rainbows.  The fish spread out over the length of the "clear ditch" and are very spooky.  The banks are also very high, which makes it difficult to be stealthy.  It’s known as my state’s most technically demanding flyfishing.  

Good report Bruce. The spooky fish sure are a switch from the Juan’s. Learn how to take these fish, Bruce. They’ll teach you alot. Willi

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 We’ve recently moved to the north end of town, …

Thanks for the report, Bruce. Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga. — Ken Fortenberry

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Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga.

Haven’t tried that one. But how about this one: sixteen beadhead pheasant tail nymphs tied in tandem. Toss that rig into the pool and it looks just like a pellet shower. Works every time! –Steve

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You’ve been hanging around Louie to long. Flies aren’t supposed to get wet. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga. Haven’t tried that one. But how about this one: sixteen beadhead pheasant tail nymphs tied in tandem. Toss that rig into the pool and it looks just like a pellet shower. Works every time! –Steve

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Rumor has it that one Waldosomebodyorother has ingeniously adapted a cotton candy machine to spin Trout Chow and glycerine into pseudo hair/hackle.  Deadly flies made from this marvelous "natural" and "organic" product are being manufactured by the millions in third world country slave labor camps and being readied for release as the Trout-O-Matic early in the Spring. Tom  (rumormonger) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  We’ve recently moved to the north end of town, … Thanks for the report, Bruce. Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga. — Ken Fortenberry

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 We’ve recently moved to the north end of town, near the east bank of the Rio Grande.  I’m on a dirt road for the first time in my life, and we’re the only home among six on our road that has no livestock.  Not fancy, but you can see the stars at night and we like it. On the west side of the river there’s a little old apple farming town that’s almost been swallowed by urban sprawl.  That little town has protected itself with zoning laws designed to preserve it’s rural characther, and it’s worked.  There’s also a spring creek running through that little town, next to the Rio Grande.  The creek was remanufactured (probably over 100 years ago) to run through a man made channel and it looks like an irrigation ditch.  Unlike all of the other ditches that make up the Albuquerque drain system, however, this one runs clear and cold all year long and has lots of aquatic plant life and insects.  There’s fish in there all year round, but in the winter it’s also stocked with rainbows.  The fish spread out over the length of the "clear ditch" and are very spooky.  The banks are also very high, which makes it difficult to be stealthy.  It’s known as my state’s most technically demanding flyfishing.  In five previous tries, usually consisting of a couple hours of fishing, I’ve caught a grand total of one pretty large rainbow. Thursday afternoon, I tried again, this time with a good friend from work.  We parked near another ditch, a muddy one, and started to get rigged up.  A fellow walking down the opposite bank asked if my truck was ok (maybe he thought I was parking in a strange place).  My friend asked if there’s a better place to park to fish the clear ditch, and our new friend obliged us by pointing me to a better place to park than I’ve ever discovered before, just through a small gate to a prime stretch of water.  My truck was the only vehicle there, but this spot was obviously not a secret.  You could tell people park there often. When we got to the ditch, there was no problem finding fish.  In the first depression we spotted a couple little rainbows that we managed not to spook.  No luck.  My friend was fishing tiny dries and I, tiny nymphs.  We moved all over and tried every trick we know to no avail. We’d fish where we saw fish and none of them were interested in our imitations.  There was a terrific hatch of small mayflies but our stocker friends in front of us weren’t feeding on them actively.  A couple of times, in frustration, we stood up on the bank and showed ourselves to the fish and instead of the two or three we had spotted, twenty or thirty of them would begin swirling in front of us but they wouldn’t leave the depression they were sitting in.  We weren’t catching any fish, but we were having fun trying. More fishermen appeared in our primo stretch of water.  The bait guys (two of them) kept their distance and fished from the bushes, drifting single eggs to the fish with no luck.  The other fly fishermen, however, were not a shy, asking us how we were doing, spooking fish as they walked past us up on the streambank.  There were four other fly fishermen, all kids, and they had no clue about fishing manners, but they were just kids and they were nice.  And we weren’t catching any fish anyway. I spotted a 15" carp and before i could cast to him, while trying to get into postition, lost sight of him.  He was real spooky.  My friend and I spent some more time walking to get away from the others and I had told my friend to keep an eye out for larger carp.  He called me over because he had spotted a ‘white’ fish and wanted me to drift my nymph to it.  He thought maybe it was a smaller carp an it was sitting on the bottom. My glasses must be better than his because i could tell right away that it was a white goldfish about 7 inches long, and he was flanked in the water by no less than 4 other goldfish, all gold.  Those goldfish must be selective feeders.  I tried midges, scuds, mayflies, all to no avail.  I thought SJ fish were selective!  Well, it got dark and we went home. So, if anyone wants to visit me and sight fish for goldfish, let me know bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen

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tripper…yup…it’s the only (and last) fly you’ll ever need to buy…an all purpose southern trout fly for those full days astream, and an apres-fish, around the campfire appetizer for the flyfishing gourmand.

(snipped totally deranged commentary about nucular trout flies – I think) Alright, I think I fell into a trap on this one. But in my defense (such as it is) Sandy Pittendrigh *did* publish a pattern for a Marshmallow Nymph – which is what I thought El Walto was referring to. Little did I realize… /daytripper ("Oh! The humility!")

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tripper…yup…it’s the only (and last) fly you’ll ever need to buy…an all purpose southern trout fly for those full days astream, and an apres-fish, around the campfire appetizer for the flyfishing gourmand. (snipped totally deranged commentary about nucular trout flies – I think) Alright, I think I fell into a trap on this one. But in my defense (such as it is) Sandy Pittendrigh *did* publish a pattern for a Marshmallow Nymph – which is what I thought El Walto was referring to. Little did I realize… /daytripper ("Oh! The humility!")

On second thought – it wasn’t a seagull shit fly, was it? Peter

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Jeff Miller writes:

(snip for brev) but, oy, the workmanship!

I didn’t know you were Yiddish, my good friend.   (snip for sanity) Would you mind tying (tieing) me a couple of these new miricle flies (flys), Jeffy?  I have the money — will pay you on receipt of the flies. Dave LaCourse

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Would you mind tying (tieing) me a couple of these new miricle flies (flys), Jeffy?  I have the money — will pay you on receipt of the flies.

Wow, I had no idea that Jeff was a Russian monk! — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, lesson time: WTF is a "marshmellow" fly – anyone got a reference site that I can drag that pattern from? /daytripper (Dem suthern fish got strange taste in food, I think…) i have no idea what the hell it was trip. all i know is a big white thing was floating down the river and it was being manipulated by jeffrey. here i was fishing a 16 ehc and he’s catching fish on a marshmellow fly. waldo Jeffie’s fishing pellet flies downstream of the stocking truck again? Peter

ack…the inhumanity of it all!  Mr. Charles, have you no sense of decency?!!  if this is how i’m to be treated on this newsgroup…why…why…, i’ll just have to go some place where i’m appreciated! … um…well…ok, you’re right…there really is no such place, so might as well stay here.  but sir, when we declare war on canada, your truck is the first thing on the list of "must bomb"… jeff

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The last three days have been spent exploring waters with Jeff (&Mark on Sat) solely for the benefit of clavesters. Although I feel we have plenty of waters chosen for all that who attend, it is always good to have a well thought out backup plan. Yesterday afternoon in the rain, Jeff & I brazing the fierce elements, descended into the Watauga gorge to assess the situation. The river was running at about normal, even with the rains. We both tied on boogahs and started some downstream streamer fishing. I caught a couple and then switched to a BHPT just for the sake of variety. I also landed a couple on it. I snipped off the bead head and added a length of 5x and tied on a stimulator. That worked fine also as the fish literally jumped out of the water chasing it as I skittered and danced it across the currents. Being observant, I became aware that Jeff wasn’t anywhere to be seen so I headed upstream. I found him firmly planted in the middle of a double stretch run, gleefully casting to rising fish all around him. I came in at the tail and tossed out the stimulator. They smashed it, but no solid takes. I stepped back and noticed that the trout were rising and sipping gently. I switched to a small Adams parachute and wallah, the hatch was matched, somewhat. Fish after fish took and was brought to hand. I finally observed that they were keying on small bwo’s after I changed to a small yellow comparadun…  no takers on it. Now this may seem a bit too easy for some of you, but it is rare, even in the delayed harvest waters, for the fish to be this active all at once. I attribute the activity to all or most of the conditions being ideal for this. The sky was overcast, heck, it was raining. Bwo’s were hatching all around with an occasional gray stone, sulphur, and hendrickson lifting for variety. The fishermen were in the right place at the right time… no skill or planning… just dumb luck. All in all, a good two hour trip…. I pulled out around six to go home and eat…. Jeff and the band played on…. Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, lesson time: WTF is a "marshmellow" fly – anyone got a reference site that I can drag that pattern from? /daytripper (Dem suthern fish got strange taste in food, I think…) i have no idea what the hell it was trip. all i know is a big white thing was floating down the river and it was being manipulated by jeffrey. here i was fishing a 16 ehc and he’s catching fish on a marshmellow fly. waldo

Jeffie’s fishing pellet flies downstream of the stocking truck again? Peter

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trip… think tan, light bodied ehc…. 14-18. i’ve got some of the yellow doo dads tied fer ya already. Thanks, ol’ pal, for thinking of me. The ehc’s are already tied – wayno sent me a weepie email-o-gram for a bunch ;^) also, size 6 marshmellow. stg, jeffie caught a real nice brown today on one. OK, lesson time: WTF is a "marshmellow" fly – anyone got a reference site that I can drag that pattern from? /daytripper (Dem suthern fish got strange taste in food, I think…)

tripper…yup…it’s the only (and last) fly you’ll ever need to buy…an all purpose southern trout fly for those full days astream, and an apres-fish, around the campfire appetizer for the flyfishing gourmand. waldo’s just jealous cause he can’t get one and doesn’t have the facilities for producing it…only a few are produced in a small Russian village near Chernobyl, hence its name – Chernobyl Caddis Rasputin Adams Parachute (C-CRAP)… think of a mutant cross between a parachute adams, an elk hair caddis, and a wooly bugger with flash, irradiated in a secret process that swells (marshmellows)the material into a buoyant mass, and tied only on moonless nights by Russian monks.   the cost of the fly is a mere $1,500…but, oy, the workmanship!  each fly comes with a lifetime guarantee, handling instructions, and a complimentary pair of lead-coated waders. It’s the only fly in your box that’s sure to last longer than you.   the small neon dropper attachment that flashes "bite me" is a few quid extra, but enhances the night-time presentation. mouse patterns have been rendered obsolete for the die-hard midnight trout stalker…plus, this fly will light the way to your favorite tree species (for those of you seeking the pleasures of the forest). …send me a few thousand bucks and i’ll order you a couple…the exchange rate for kopeks and rubles is quite good now… jeff (a friend to the deprived and depraved)

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Walt enjoyed your fish report, looking forward to seeing your act live.  On my mountain adventure  last week I stopped at South Mountain Park on Thursday P.M and hit the stocked portion above horse camping.  Thought I was in heaven and all my reading was paying off. A 8 to 11 inch stocker on every third cast. In about thirty minutes it stopped, think the fish have developed a feeding schedule  at the hatchery, as I was only able to dig out three in another two hours of beating the water.  My presentation  needs refinement but it wasn"t because of fly choice, I went through the box., need some  casting help also.   But I did work on my sea legs and for the first time out this season  , happy to say I only wene down once.  Friday early I climbed over the falls to be first one through wild trout water { a la Pamlico Jim } but top feeding was slow  so I moved on to Robinsville.  ?Glads to report the 4 lane highway to Toosie’s is still under construction, looks like it extended two blocks in last six months.  Saturday and Sunday fished Snowbird, Santerhilla, and Nangahala  thru cloudy showers and had some fish on drys and nymphs. Have still not caught o streamers or a wooly booger, but will read some more.    Do not recommend that Indians camp alone. I had enough pre mixed manhattens for five nights but used them all up, plus some Jack D. sitting around lonely   camp fire first night.   compssing some interllegical poetry .{ What is doggerel ]     could NOT FIT MY roff FISHING CAP ONTO HEAD NEXT MORNING.          iF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO FOAM BODY YELLOW HUMPISE # 14 please bring me a dozen to clave, they seem to flat higher and longer in fast stream          Indian Joe*

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The last three days have been spent exploring waters with Jeff (&Mark on Sat) solely for the benefit of clavesters.

Many thanks for that supreme sacrifice, Walt. It’s rotten job and we appreciate you doing it ;^) Now, what size flies should we be tying? Stimulators are a PITA to tie so I’d like to concentrate of the *good* sizes. /daytripper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Walt enjoyed your fish report, looking forward to seeing your act live.  On my mountain adventure  last week I stopped at South Mountain Park on Thursday P.M and hit the stocked portion above horse camping.  Thought I was in heaven and all my reading was paying off. A 8 to 11 inch stocker on every third cast. In about thirty minutes it stopped, think the fish have developed a feeding schedule  at the hatchery, as I was only able to dig out three in another two hours of beating the water.  My presentation  needs refinement but it wasn"t because of fly choice, I went through the box., need some  casting help also.   But I did work on my sea legs and for the first time out this season  , happy to say I only wene down once.  Friday early I climbed over the falls to be first one through wild trout water { a la Pamlico Jim } but top feeding was slow  so I moved on to Robinsville.  ?Glads to report the 4 lane highway to Toosie’s is still under construction, looks like it extended two blocks in last six months.  Saturday and Sunday fished Snowbird, Santerhilla, and Nangahala  thru cloudy showers and had some fish on drys and nymphs. Have still not caught o streamers or a wooly booger, but will read some more.    Do not recommend that Indians camp alone. I had enough pre mixed manhattens for five nights but used them all up, plus some Jack D. sitting around lonely   camp fire first night.   compssing some interllegical poetry .{ What is doggerel ]     could NOT FIT MY roff FISHING CAP ONTO HEAD NEXT MORNING.          iF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO FOAM BODY YELLOW HUMPISE # 14 please bring me a dozen to clave, they seem to flat higher and longer in fast stream          Indian Joe*

i’ll personally tie ya up some joe…. just don’t let me give ya ken’s by mistake waldo — Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-2.html

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The last three days have been spent exploring waters with Jeff (&Mark on Sat) solely for the benefit of clavesters. Many thanks for that supreme sacrifice, Walt. It’s rotten job and we appreciate you doing it ;^) Now, what size flies should we be tying? Stimulators are a PITA to tie so I’d like to concentrate of the *good* sizes. /daytripper

trip… think tan, light bodied ehc…. 14-18. i’ve got some of the yellow doo dads tied fer ya already. also, size 6 marshmellow. stg, jeffie caught a real nice brown today on one. waldo — Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-2.html

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trip… think tan, light bodied ehc…. 14-18. i’ve got some of the yellow doo dads tied fer ya already.

Thanks, ol’ pal, for thinking of me. The ehc’s are already tied – wayno sent me a weepie email-o-gram for a bunch ;^) also, size 6 marshmellow. stg, jeffie caught a real nice brown today on one.

OK, lesson time: WTF is a "marshmellow" fly – anyone got a reference site that I can drag that pattern from? /daytripper (Dem suthern fish got strange taste in food, I think…)

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I think…) How do you piss off a trout fishermen? Tell him trout will eat anything catfish eat. Big Dale

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OK, lesson time: WTF is a "marshmellow" fly – anyone got a reference site that I can drag that pattern from? /daytripper (Dem suthern fish got strange taste in food, I think…)

i have no idea what the hell it was trip. all i know is a big white thing was floating down the river and it was being manipulated by jeffrey. here i was fishing a 16 ehc and he’s catching fish on a marshmellow fly. waldo

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Now this may seem a bit too easy for some of you, but it is rare, even in the delayed harvest waters, for the fish to be this active all at once. I attribute the activity to all or most of the conditions being ideal for this. The sky was overcast, heck, it was raining. Bwo’s were hatching all around with an occasional gray stone, sulphur, and hendrickson lifting for variety. The fishermen were in the right place at the right time… no skill or planning… just dumb luck. All in all, a good two hour trip…. I pulled out around six to go home and eat…. Jeff and the band played on….

Sounds like a fun trip. In my experience, the frequency that fish become active all at once depends on the fertility of the stream. On very fertile streams this is often a daily experience and during certain times of the year this happen several times a day. These fish are often selective. When they are intent on their feeding, they often lose some of their caution and are less spooky than normal. On relatively infertile waters, hatches dense enough to turn on the fish are pretty rare. The plus part of this for us fishermen is that the fish in these streams are not usually very fussy about what pattern is used. Since they don’t get distracted by the hatches, they tend to be spooky pretty much all the time. Different kinds of fishing, both alot of fun. Willi

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        George and I have butted heads on a couple of issues in the past, but he was gracious enough to give up some of his time to let me interview him about his ‘Bastard’ project.  Whatever anyone thinks, he sure is passionate about this and believes in his rods. The article is at http://flyfishing.about.com/ Ian Scott

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         George and I have butted heads on a couple of issues in the past, but he was gracious enough to give up some of his time to let me interview him about his ‘Bastard’ project.  Whatever anyone thinks, he sure is passionate about this and believes in his rods. The article is at http://flyfishing.about.com/ Ian Scott

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value.

Mark, what weight/type line(s) are you using on your new rod?

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value. Mark, what weight/type line(s) are you using on your new rod?

        tripper:  i thought i would have to "light line" my 7.5/4wt, but it seemed spot on with a double taper 4. wayno

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value. Mark, what weight/type line(s) are you using on your new rod?    tripper:  i thought i would have to "light line" my 7.5/4wt, but it seemed spot on with a double taper 4. wayno

Excellent –  and thanks very much for the tip, Wayno! You might have just saved me the cost of springing for a new DT3F, as I already have a fairly fresh DT4F that I can wind onto a vintage Hardy Sunbeam – ought to balance the rod reasonably well. My apologies, btw, for hijacking this thread… /daytripper

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Excellent –  and thanks very much for the tip, Wayno! You might have just saved me the cost of springing for a new DT3F, as I already have a fairly fresh DT4F that I can wind onto a vintage Hardy Sunbeam – ought to balance the rod reasonably well. My apologies, btw, for hijacking this thread… /daytripper

trip…. as i mentioned to mark via e-mail, i’ve fished 3,4, & 5 wt lines on the 7.5 aught. the 3 wt is light but does fish ok. the 4 wt is real good and the 5 wt line really loads the rod well. all were wf’s. walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Excellent –  and thanks very much for the tip, Wayno! You might have just saved me the cost of springing for a new DT3F, as I already have a fairly fresh DT4F that I can wind onto a vintage Hardy Sunbeam – ought to balance the rod reasonably well. trip…. as i mentioned to mark via e-mail, i’ve fished 3,4, & 5 wt lines on the 7.5 aught. the 3 wt is light but does fish ok. the 4 wt is real good and the 5 wt line really loads the rod well. all were wf’s.

Thanks, Walt! I prefer double tapers, and judging from your experience it sounds like a DT4 ought to work just fine. btw: There’s a real story going on behind the scenes that I’ll share with y’all when I return from Maine. The happy ending is a lock. /daytripper (psyched!)

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Hello,  Steph, your geography is a fraction short. Quorn and Wilpena Pound are about 5 hours north of Adelaide, which is a good 9-10 hour drive west of Melbourne. Wilpena Pound and St Mary’s Peak are perhaps the best-known hiking trip in the Flinders Ranges, and are a spectacular walk. But take plenty of water (a litre an hour) and leave enough time to get back to camp, and take a hat. You probably won’t find much flowing water, let alone any trout in the Flinders in November! My suggestion to Cam is to try the Grampians (now known as Gariwerd as preferred by the original inhabitants of the country) for High Country. Have fun! Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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Try Sheepyard Flats, Howya Valley up in the Victorian high country – you’ll be fishing up on the Howya River for trout that are wild – they’ll be bloody wild when you catch them – no stockies in this little river as far as I know. They are small little browns, but a pleasure to fish to. I assume your fly fishing (?) – you’ll get them on small little flies with fine leaders – try a Red Tag, Geehi Beetle (Aus. pattern), Wulffs (sp?). Upstream and down is okay. If you’re spin fishing, try a #1 Celta lure on very fine line, trundled down the stream/river. If your landing in Melbourne, go downtown to the Compleat Angler and talk to the boys. Stock up on local flies and get some good oil from them. They might even suggest a better spot than I can. If you like fishing, get a book by David Scholes (Aussie author), or just get an aussie fly fishing book – worth a read – hell, get some aussie fly tying books – Peter Leuver’s one is good. Aussie patterns are good. One warning. Most Aussie bush crawls with snakes (absolutely deadly – they’ll make you really, really sick or just plain dead in a short time) and it’ll be bloody hot. Watch yourself – no hands down holes or stupid things, e.g. don’t rush when walking. Stomp around a bit. You’ll usually see plenty of snakes darting directly away from you. Don’t rush is the best bet – and you’ll be fine. Stand up on the log, look down and then stand down, rather than stepping over a log. Play it safe. Check your bedding, don’t leave your tent door unzipped. Take a hat, drink water, swim in the river and you’ll have a bloody wonderful time of it all. BTW you treat aussie snake bites differently than North American ones – learn how to treat  - (the venom acts differently, and certainly not locally – if I’m right). One other warning – don’t drink Foster’s Lager because its the worst beer on the planet and it’ll make you terribly sick (joking – about the terribly sick part, not joking about it being shitty, shitty beer). There are other better beers that don’t see the light outside of Aus. Have a great time Cam. anon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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Try http://www.bushwalking.org.au/ Bear in mind that it can be quite dangerous alone in unfamiliar bush, Rescue is not around the corner. There are tourist deaths every year. I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better.

Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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While a Battenkill can be used in the Salt successfully, the Tibor and Abel are lifetime investments that are made by people who are going to use these reels many times a year over a period of years. Even with perfect care the Battenkill IMHO will not hold up to the continued stresses applied by Tarpon, Bonefish and especially Permit. My 2CW.

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Hi, I had a Ross Colorado II go bad on me (defective click-pawl from that year’s model which they promptly fixed at my local flyfishing store).  My buddy, who I recommended the reel to, had a spring break in his Colorado while on the river.  Since he didn’t have a backup reel, he had to hike back to the car and drive to town to get it fixed.  When he contacted Ross later, they told him that it shouldn’t have broken if taken care of properly.  However, the reel was under a year old so that is really no excuse at all.  They eventually sent him another replacement spring just in case, but I would have second thoughts about purchasing another Ross reel because of his experience. Tom BTW, my friend eventually did buy another Ross Colorado I reel for his 3 wt. outfit.  I guess he wasn’t as bothered by the experience as I was. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: I have Ross reels (a gunnison and a saltwater) and have been happy with them, but recently someone pointed out that the way the reels connect to the drag is a a big weak point with the reel design.  Specifically, there are two thin pins from the spool that lock on to the drag mechanism.  It was pointed out that the weakness lies in that these two pins locking into the drag system seem to be a rather flimsy way of putting things together.  Any comments as I am considering another Ross saltwater.  By the way, Ross claims that they have only had one reel go sour while in use. Thanks, Adam

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It is sad that a reel manufacturing company can’t afford to mail a stupid spring to a customer who already was overcharged for an item made on a fanuc, computercized 3 axis sytem.  The reel took exactly 1 minute and 28 seconds to make, the housing, if they know what they are doing might take 1 minute 14 seconds.  Get the point? I have the Grand American Reel on the back burner Tom and I wish I was in production making the fnest single action reel in the world.  My plans are to be able to offer a $500 dollar reel for $75 bucks.  I just don’t have the machinery anymore. I am simply stating if you  were a customer of mine, you would never be unhappy.  This reel business is so full of shit I can’t believe it. It saddens me to see how these other reel manufacturers are still so arrogant with their customers.  I just might get involved again.  I invented the Marryat, and the Grand American . . . I’m just about ready to make a positive move if any more of this nonsense continues. I’m gone.  I’m listening. George Gehrke Fished hard this eveing for Ironheads, one bump, no fish. rats. But the evening was beautiful.  High cliffs and when the owls started to fly, I went home.

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Hi: I have Ross reels (a gunnison and a saltwater) and have been happy with them, but recently someone pointed out that the way the reels connect to the drag is a a big weak point with the reel design.  Specifically, there are two thin pins from the spool that lock on to the drag mechanism.  It was pointed out that the weakness lies in that these two pins locking into the drag system seem to be a rather flimsy way of putting things together.  Any comments as I am considering another Ross saltwater.  By the way, Ross claims that they have only had one reel go sour while in use. Thanks, Adam

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Hi: I have Ross reels (a gunnison and a saltwater) and have been happy with them, but recently someone pointed out that the way the reels connect to the drag is a a big weak point with the reel design.  Specifically, there are two thin pins from the spool that lock on to the drag mechanism.  It was pointed out that the weakness lies in that these two pins locking into the drag system seem to be a rather flimsy way of putting things together.  Any comments as I am considering another Ross saltwater.  By the way, Ross claims that they have only had one reel go sour while in use. Thanks, Adam

Hi All, I have never seen that part of a Ross reel fail. Many reel manufactures wish they had the dependability record of  Ross. We are talking about reels under $350, so we can’t compare them to an Abel or Tibor that are over $500 and well worth their price. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Hi All, I have never seen that part of a Ross reel fail. Many reel manufactures wish they had the dependability record of  Ross. We are talking about reels under $350, so we can’t compare them to an Abel or Tibor that are over $500 and well worth their price.

I wonder how the Able or Tibor compares to the Orvis Battenkill reels? From what I have seen the drag system seems very good on these reels – especially for the price (around $100)! -Greg

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HI and thanks, I’ll be in New Orleans early next month.  If you can recommend a guide, or other contact,  for redfish or other local fishing targets, I be very appreciative.   — Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"

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HI and thanks, I’ll be in New Orleans early next month.  If you can recommend a guide, or other contact,  for redfish or other local fishing targets, I be very appreciative. — Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"

Hi- I checked this out last year. There is a guide there by the name (I think) of Bubba Rodriguez (which I think they pronounce Buh-bee) who has been featured on ESPN in the past and was kind of a fly fishing pioneer in New Orleans. Unfortunately, I have lost his phone number, but maybe someone from New Orleans can help. I got the info by placing a post on Good Luck!

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Howdy I’ll be moving to Sping Lake N.J. in mid Oct. from southern Alberta where I’ve become quite fond of spectacular fishing. Anyone have a suggestion of where i can continue to get my fix? My e-mail is only go until Oct.7 Thank ya all, Cheers.

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As one resident said last year… the besst fly fishing in NJ is in PA and NY.  But Spring Lake in on the coast, and the other resident didn’t ply the salt.  Great runs of of blues are in the offing.  Check any of the local tackle shops.  Fresh water is mostly up north and west.  Shad and stripers run the Delaware regularly.  Trout are mostly stocked, so listen to the original advise and head to PA and the NY Catskills.  There is a NJ fishing home page, and if you can scroll back into this groups archives it’ll be listed . good luck from Long Island jg

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