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These thoughtful posts from Tara are just too good to allow to fade from usenet. Since Tara set them not to be archived, I’ve copied them here to protect them for posterity. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 73 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.237.31 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023508397 209.226.237.31 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:53:17 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news- out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onv oy.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.c om!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143809 rec.backcountry:254050 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328244 alt.wolves:135493 atl1.usenetserver.com) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :)

Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?  Nah, you don’t. Your attitude, both sides, is why we have the mess we do.  This is why this world, it’s politics and it’s results are, and continue to be a mess   This is not the way to clean it up or change it. It’s only a way to perpetuate it. I sit back and look at this and I see that Tom, at least has a cause, a purpose and we need that. We need crusaders. But when it becomes a matter of oneupmanship or one of school yard childishness, there is no hope of change. What to do?  Has anyone ever known what to to. I sometimes think it’s simply going to be a struggle forever.   In the history of the world the only ones who have truly changed anything are those who have always been unwilling to resort to the tactics I see here. You, all of you are the grain of sand that is the universe. What kind of universe do you want it to be. Tara Just my 2 cents. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 112 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.65.191 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023515054 216.208.65.191 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 01:44:14 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!btnet- peer1!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn !webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.b ellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143811 rec.backcountry:254061 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328261 alt.wolves:135495 atl1.usenetserver.com) Tom is not a crusader, he’s a nuisance. I’m sure that you also welcome into your home every person that has a religous message to share. And isn’t that the ultimate crusade?

Ahhh, Jeff, notice how you searched for and of course, found the one thing you could find to perpetuate and continue the madness. And also notice (you won’t, however), how you brought it into a new twist to perpetuate the argument.  But, I’m not arguing, and I will not continue (no matter what idiotic responses come from what I’ve said) to post here anymore on this topic. Tara Bye buy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :) Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?   Nah, you

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Dang!  You know, I think she’s right.

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Yeah, she may be right, but in the end, isn’t her responding to them just more of the same?  And isn’t my response to her responding to them just more of the same? …Whoa, too much thinking makes Kurt’s head spin.  I’m going to go sit down now.

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New in Fish & Fly – the leading website dedicated to fly fishing in the UK & Europe – Dry Fly on buying a new rod – The Duffer talks about ‘trophy fish’ – The ‘hunting’ debate – National Trust publish angling guide – Ashima catalogue available NEW FEATURES… Dry Fly takes a look at purchasing a new rod and explains his passion for the rods made by Winston. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/tackleroom/winston.html "I had simply caught my first fish on rod and fly on my own. It was no ‘Trophy’ trout but if I could have had it stuffed and mounted I would have, such was my pride " The Duffer on Fish of a Lifetime http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/bdedit0101.html THE HUNTING DEBATE… Charles Jardine’s statement on behalf of the Countryside Alliance’s Gone Fishing campaign started off the hunting/bloodsport debate again. Some of you feel that fishing will never be threatened as there are too many of us taking part – others aren’t so optimistic. Particularly interesting are responses posted by Arrogant Bee and Mark Powell. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/dcforum/messageboard/1342.html Whatever your view it has become clear is that there is little point in us trying to convince each other that we’re ’safe’. All of us must make sure that we make our views felt. If nothing more I urge all of our visitors to make sure that they’re a member of at least one relevant body – be it the Countryside Alliance, Wild Trout Society, Salmon & Trout Association – the choice will depend on your own beliefs. But your subscription will make sure that somewhere down the line your view will be counted. LATEST NEWS… We’re not sure whether we can take any credit for this – but we’re pleased to announce that The National Trust will shortly be publishing ‘Enjoy Fishing with the National Trust’. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/news.html OUR SPONSORS… We’re pleased to welcome Ashima as a Fish & Fly sponsor – and you can apply online for a free sticker & catalogue pack covering the full range of fly tying hooks, lines and leaders… http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/ashima.html Look forward to seeing you at Fish & Fly soon, Regards, Simon Lewin http://www

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[snip] – The Duffer talks about ‘trophy fish’

Hey Louie, How long have you been writing

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Hello Ken, This is something I’ve been doing quite a bit in the last couple of years. I’m certainly no expert, but here are a few thoughts.. For tackle I recommend a fairly stiff 8 weight rod with a Lamson reel.  You can get away with Pfleuger or a Scientific Angler but they’ll require more care and aren’t as smooth.  Use 20 lb. dacron backing.  Nothing your going to hook is going to run that far.  Even a big red usually stays within 100 yds of where he was hooked so you don’t need Bonefish gear. This rig will handle bass, redfish, speckled trout and the occasional flounder.  You’ll have to deal with wind.  Just the way it goes.  Try the Scientific Anglers Mastery series Wind Cheater line.  Helps a bit.  I also use a slow sinking line a lot and it’s a bit easier to cast into the wind.  I’d go with the Wind Cheater to start with.  Takes some of the edge off of being a beginner. The single most effective lure for me is a chartreuse/white Clouser minnow. Works on Reds and Specks under most circumstances.  Later you can go with some crab patterns for Reds and some Seaducers and Leftys Deceivers for Specks. Don’t discount Crazy Charlies either.. great under the lights for Specks. There are other patterns.. Roadkills, different shrimp imitations, but if you head out with half-a-dozen Clousers and a couple or lighter streamers, you’ll handle most of what you encounter. Is this what you wanted to know? Andy Schreckenghost Houston TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to fly fishing and in need of information for fishing in the coastal bend.  For instance reel and rod recommendations.  I hear that the wind is a consideration when fishing in the bay. I would appreciate any information. Thank you, Ken Clay

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I am new to fly fishing and in need of information for fishing in the coastal bend.  For instance reel and rod recommendations.  I hear that the wind is a consideration when fishing in the bay. I would appreciate any information. Thank you, Ken Clay

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Why not check out the tremendous striped bass/bluefish fly fishing up here in New England? June and July are two of the best months especially on Cape Cod and the Islands – check out Monomoy Island for flats fishing for stripers very similar to bonefishing in the FLA keys. Check out www.reel-time.com for additional info.

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Any opinions regarding the best place for wading saltwater flyfishing destination in late June and July.  I am thinking about the West coast of Florida or the Texas coast. PK

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Any opinions regarding the best place for wading saltwater flyfishing destination in late June and July.  I am thinking about the West coast of Florida or the Texas coast. PK

     You might also give a thought to the east coast of central florida. Things should be back to normal by then. If youve never fly fished the surf you ought to try it, it’s a hoot. A bunch of years ago I caught a flounder (exactly 3′ long) on a 7 wt. with #4 tippet on a streamer, it seems like yesterday. Any how from central florida you still have the gulf close enough plus indian river flats, surf, and fresh water in the St.John’s. Don’t you just feel so sorry for us guys who have to live here ?                                                            John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

I haven’t fished Kelly since 1972, but back then, in Aug. and Sept. you couldn’t go wrong with any kind of hopper pattern. It’s possible that the fish are more sophisticated now, however. Jim

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

Hi Kelly creek is great that time of year. The normal flies work well like Wulffs, renegades, para-Adams, EHC, bead heads, compara-duns, H&L, etc. I particularly like an H&L with a renegade on a dropper. Don’t forget hopper for that time of year. Good luck and let us know how things turn out. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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For nymphing I use an intermediate line.

Is that right?  On rivers as well as lakes?  Seems like line control would be a problem.  Isn’t it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Just my .02 cents worth. A double taper will always roll cast better because of the line structure. On a double taper you are casting (roll) a taper section(larger) vs a wt fwd which will be into running line which is smaller. Tight Loops KenW   —

A double taper will only roll cast better if you roll cast longer than the line belly. Assuming that your rod and your leader are 9ft each, the front taper including the line belly is 36 ft you are talking about a 54ft roll cast! Most trout are caught within a shorter distance. In other words: no advantage for the DT line. The real advantage is that line handling (mending) longer lines is easier and that you can turn around a DT which makes it possible to use a DT line twice as long. The best roll-casting line I found so far is the Wulff Triangle Taper with it’s 36-40ft of tapered line belly (depending on the line weight). Thomas — Thomas Urbig

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I got in on this discussion rather late, so pardon me if I missed something. A double taper will only roll cast better if you roll cast longer than the line belly. Assuming that your rod and your leader are 9ft each, the front taper including the line belly is 36 ft you are talking about a 54ft roll cast! Most trout are caught within a shorter distance. In other words: no advantage for the DT line. The real advantage is that line handling (mending) longer lines is easier and that you can turn around a DT which makes it possible to use a DT line twice as long. The best roll-casting line I found so far is the Wulff Triangle Taper with it’s 36-40ft of tapered line belly (depending on the line weight).

A double-taper is a real asset if you aerialize your roll cast and combine it with a single haul.  This will make a 54′ roll cast easy even on 5 wt. rods.  To do this, you want to make a _small_ backcast so that about 4-5′ of the tip of the line hit the water next to you.   You’ll have a big loop of the line also next to you.  As soon as the last 4-5′ of line hit the water, you start the forward cast and add a single-haul. I live in the Pacific Northwest and out here, spey casting has grown in popularity dramatically.  In the winter, we get a lot of rain and the rivers swell big time, and spey casting allows us to cast a large fly much further with less effort than any other technique.  I use a 14′ 9wt two-handed rod for steelhead and salmon, and with it, 70-100′ roll casts are a breeze.  For this type of work, a double-taper line is needed.  Scientific Anglers makes a Mastery Series Spey/Salmon line that is 120′ long with a 77′ belly.  It works well, but once you get a lot of line out there, it can be more difficult to work with than a double-taper line. (If you’re not familiar with spey casting, it is swinging the rod to reposition the line to make an aerialized roll cast.  It is often done with two-handed rods but can be done with single-handed rods as well.  One of the neatest things about spey casting is that you can make very long casts without a backcast.  This has great application to anglers who don’t have boats.) Spey casting is hard to describe with words, so if you’ve never seen it, borrow or rent a video on it.  Hugh Faulkus and Derek Brown each have excellent videos. Dan

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I essentially use DT’s and shooting heads. In the past few years I have cut the DT’s in two parts, glued a braided loop connector to the butts, and used only one half with a running line. I like this approach for the following three reasons: 1) I can store the other half in large coils,     so when I “reverse” the line I have a nice,      new line, instead of the portion that was      wound up tightly on the reel 2) I can swap the half DT with the shooting head,         the running line is already on the spool 3) Most of my casting is within 1/2 line (I use    long leaders, a 90′ line/2+12′ leader is     roughly 60′ away.    If you need to cast longer than that, the running     line is much better than the second half of         the DT, since it glides much better through         the guides. -Vittorio

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I have WF4F line on a fly reel I received for Christmas (it is well balanced for my Adams Traveler 4 weight rod). Among other things, for my birthday, I received an extra spool for the reel.  My fishing is primarily in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park which means I fish relatively narrow mountain streams with riffles, pocket water and deep swift pools. I like the WF4F but would like some advice on what type of line (DT, ST, F/S, etc.) would be a good choice for the second spool. Any advice?

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I have WF4F line on a fly reel I received for Christmas (it is well balanced for my Adams Traveler 4 weight rod). Among other things, for my birthday, I received an extra spool for the reel.  My fishing is primarily in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park which means I fish relatively narrow mountain streams with riffles, pocket water and deep swift pools. I like the WF4F but would like some advice on what type of line (DT, ST, F/S, etc.) would be a good choice for the second spool. Any advice?

Another floating line, even a double taper, would not be of any great value. Some type of fast sinking, full length line or sinktip might be nice for the deep, faster runs. Orvis makes a very fast sinking #4 line with a  4′ mini-tip. It is a full length, 80′ or more, of floating line with a 4′ section of very fast sinking line on the end. Cortland makes a weight-forward #4 line in full sinking  in a type 3 rate of sink. Not lots of sinking lines are available for the smaller sizes. On some rods, you can overline one size, particularly with sinking lines and get a few more choices. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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A double-taper is a real asset if you aerialize your roll cast and combine it with a single haul.  This will make a 54′ roll cast easy even on 5 wt. rods.  To do this, you want to make a _small_ backcast so that about 4-5′ of the tip of the line hit the water next to you.   You’ll have a big loop of the line also next to you.  As soon as the last 4-5′ of line hit the water, you start the forward cast and add a single-haul.

What you describe is an improved roll cast for the one handed rod. This is not only a valuable technique for a 5wt, it even does the job with a 3wt (or even 1wt!). But you can make the job much easier with a WF-line. I use e.g. a 3/4 Wulff Triangle Taper for most of my fishing and with the improved roll cast or spey cast (different techniques, I know!) and a single haul I can almost cast a whole line. That is because you shoot most of the line out which is a domain of the WF line. The disadvantage is that I have to strip in my line to about the back taper of the line belly to make a good cast with the WF which is of course not necessary with the DT line. Should I mention that the Wulff Triangle Taper is really becoming my favourite?! Thomas <valuable stuff about spey casting deleted Dan

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I have fished the Smokies  and think that a DT 4 line will roll cast much better than the WF 4 in the small confided streams of the area. Snip if you regularly fish the bigger rivers of the area then get one of the mini-sink tips. Thinking of getting one of these myself for my big river trips. Good Luck!

I agree with you completely about the DT.  It never fails to make me laugh when people say they won’t use a DT ’cause you can’t shoot them, and then when you see them cast they false cast all but about 5 feet of their line.  Ooooh, you sure made full use of that WF!  On the minitip though I’m torn.  I have one and it performs and casts very well, but It really lets me down when it comes to fishing a sculpin type fly along the bottom.  I get better depth and longer drifts with my 13 foot type IV 5 weight than with my 6 weight minitip.  For what it does do well though, the minitip is a high quality, VERY long lasting line.  It just isn’t the only sinking tip line you’ll ever need. Phil

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Should I mention that the Wulff Triangle Taper is really becoming my favourite?!

It always has been mine for dry fly fishing.  For nymphing I use an intermediate line. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Just my .02 cents worth. A double taper will always roll cast better because of the line structure. On a double taper you are casting (roll) a taper section(larger) vs a wt fwd which will be into running line which is smaller. Tight Loops KenW   —

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For nymphing I use an intermediate line. Is that right?  On rivers as well as lakes?  Seems like line control would be a problem.  Isn’t it?

Yep, I like to get deep fast and have a straight connection to the nymph.   Although my former fishing partner also used intermediates and he like to use a bow in the line as a strike detector.  Personal preference I guess.  What line control problems are you thinking about.  It worked well for us, we caught thousands of fish.  (That was before I stopped and decided to rethink my attitude and purpose re: fishing) -Burton — L. Burton Hawley       2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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        Greg Metzler . I like the WF4F but would like some advice on what type of line (DT, ST, F/S, etc.) would be a good choice for the second spool. Any advice?

I agree with Bill, go with a sink tip.  Orvis, Cortland or Teeny jg

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I have fished the Smokies  and think that a DT 4 line will roll cast much better than the WF 4 in the small confided streams of the area. This is a definite asset on all but the largest rivers. However, if you regularly fish the bigger rivers of the area then get one of the mini-sink tips. Thinking of getting one of these myself for my big river trips. Good Luck!

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Further evidence that people like us that venture forth into the malodorous backwaters of the unmoderated usenet need to be on our toes for *anything*, and that maybe this is *not* a good place for the squeamish and children, someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Someday, the usenet will sport a web-page like rating system, but until then, please consider the neighborhood you are driving into… Just a warning… TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

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TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

Well, at least you made your post fly-tying related.  Just be glad it wasn’t a related photograph showing the source for Tup’s Indispensible. *<|:-#)=-   (Santa Smiley) -Clyde

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someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group. Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

No, but I will… TimW

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someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around Usenet… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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: Have you reported it to net.abuse.*? : Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… : The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups : with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn : sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around : Usenet… Which is one reason I hate GUI newsreaders. All they do is allow stupid people to abuse the newsgroups. Even the binaries newsgroups had little trouble before Netscape and others like it allowed you to view pictures directly from the newsgroups. USENET predates the internet but if things keep up like this USENET will soon be just a minor website. It sucks. BiNM

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For some reason I got a notice that said this group has been deleted?  Does it still exist? Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

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Vacationing on Trinity lake this year in early july, first time in the area and hoping for suggestions                   thanx, Josh Sauter

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Vacationing on Trinity lake this year in early july, first time in the area and hoping for suggestions                  thanx, Josh Sauter

……they have the best fly shop and guide servise in that area. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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: :Vacationing on Trinity lake this year in early july, :first time in the area and hoping for suggestions :                  thanx, Josh Sauter Trinity Lake is difficult to flyfish, because of its size and depth. However Lewiston Lake nearby and the Trinity River (fly fishing only section available) are excellent choices. Also Coffee Creek near Trinity Lake sometimes has good fishing. Check with the Fly Shop in Redding CA. They have an 800 no. There is also a Trinity something flyshop which is quite good. I jsut can’t think of the full name. George Berns Trout Live in Beautiful Places

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[snip] : participants of this newsgroup. Reading the story was somewhat eerie. Had : Duncan been lurking in the background, reading the pointless and : frequently nasty arguments between fly-fishing purists (who would never : use an Orvis rod and would drown anyone they saw with a celular phone) : and the evil fly fishing yuppies, who unabashedly use Orvis, make money, : and contaminate the purists’ streams with their very presence? I : seriously doubt that Duncan has been listening in; this ridiculous debate : must be played out on streams and in bars and fly shops all around the : country. I don’t know if he passes through here, but I’m pretty sure he lives in Montana now.  He lives it every day.  I wonder if he has a personalized license plate? Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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I don’t know if he passes through here, but I’m pretty sure he lives in   Montana now.  He lives it every day.  I wonder if he has a personalized   license plate? Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

Rick,     He does live in Montana now, bought a place a year or so ago.  Probably does drive thru Moscow as he still comes to Portland from time to time for readings and the odd appearance at a club meetings.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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I agree with the above.  The *introduction* , where he describes river teeth is worth the price of the book.  Longspeer

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David James Duncan’s new book <iRiver Teeth<i is, simply put, absolutely wonderful. I’d highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys good writing. Many of the pieces in this book –I’m not sure whether to call them stories or essays — are not "fishing stories", but several of them are, and one of these, "Not Rocking the Boat" should be required reading for participants of this newsgroup. Reading the story was somewhat eerie. Had Duncan been lurking in the background, reading the pointless and frequently nasty arguments between fly-fishing purists (who would never use an Orvis rod and would drown anyone they saw with a celular phone) and the evil fly fishing yuppies, who unabashedly use Orvis, make money, and contaminate the purists’ streams with their very presence? I seriously doubt that Duncan has been listening in; this ridiculous debate must be played out on streams and in bars and fly shops all around the country. I haven’t quite finished the book yet, but all of the pieces I have read so far have been top-notch writing. No real surprise there. "The Mickey Mantle Koan" (not one of the "fishing stories") is worth the price of the book all by itself. Dave Guinee

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I’m new to the Washington State area and would like to try my luck on some of the rivers and streams in the western half of the state.  Would any body mind dirrecting me to some decent rivers in this area, mind you, I don’t want to know your secret spot but maybe the location of some productive streams/rivers. Thank you in advance for any information you all might render.

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I am going to Cancun in mid april with my company, and I would like to know if there is any fly-fishing in the immediate area around Cancun.   If you know of anything or anyone please let me know.  Thank You.

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