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Planning  a family trip with 2 kids (aged 5 & 7) and my wife during early December. We plan to start  off from Adelaide and fly back from Melbourne. Planning to hire a car and stay in the local B&Bs. Looking for suggestions, ideas or itinerary and advices.

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Planning  a family trip with 2 kids (aged 5 & 7) and my wife during early December. We plan to start  off from Adelaide and fly back from Melbourne. Planning to hire a car and stay in the local B&Bs. Looking for suggestions, ideas or itinerary and advices.

Don’t miss the Great Ocean Road. http://www.greatoceanroad.org/ My kids love the Adventure Playground in Warrnambool. Daniel — Daniel Bowen, Melbourne, Australia Visiting Australia FAQ http://www.custard.net.au/australia/

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Planning  a family trip with 2 kids (aged 5 & 7) and my wife during early December. We plan to start  off from Adelaide and fly back from Melbourne. Planning to hire a car and stay in the local B&Bs. Looking for suggestions, ideas or itinerary and advices.

That’s plenty of time.  As Daniel mentioned, don’t miss the Great Ocean Road.  You should also perhaps start by taking a run through the Flinders Ranges, perhaps as far up as Wilpena Pound.  A lot of people bag on Port Augusta but I quite like the place and there are some things that would be of interest to the kiddies – the Wadlata centre is pretty good (although the souvis are pretty pricey and poor value) and the Arid Lands Botanic Centre (hope I have that name right) is worth a squint if you’re into that sort of thing.  Spencer Gulf has some great sailing and fishing (check what’s in season, I’ve not been in December, yet).  The French Hot Bread place on Commercial St. is the best in the country. From there, I would head back down and across, taking the G.O.R.; then go up into the goldfields (Ballarat, Bendigo) which have theme areas and rebuilt "old time" streets, etc. which the kids should enjoy. Finally, keep a few days for each city.  I’m not normally a city person, but Adelaide does have some charms which take some time to grow on you (once you get used to all the churches).  Take a tram to Glenelg and spend some time on the beach (hopefully all that construction is finished by now) and be sure to take in the central market just off King William Square (at the other end of the tram).  With any luck (does anyone know?  I’m about a year out of date) the Don Bradman display will still be on in one of the buildings (library?) on North Tce. As for Melbourne, I haven’t spent enough time there yet to be knowledgeable about what’s the best use of time/best interest to kids but there will be lots.  It’s quite a charming city.  I’ll leave that to the natives. HTH

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Hi if you go to see the litle penguins at Phillip Island try to get a night at AMAZING THINGS for the kids it is not spectacular but like i said it is good for the kids. Walter from Belgium — Swagmanneke( walter caremans) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Planning  a family trip with 2 kids (aged 5 & 7) and my wife during early December. We plan to start  off from Adelaide and fly back from Melbourne. Planning to hire a car and stay in the local B&Bs. Looking for suggestions, ideas or itinerary and advices.

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in message As for Melbourne, I haven’t spent enough time there yet to be knowledgeable about what’s the best use of time/best interest to kids but there will be lots.  It’s quite a charming city.  I’ll leave that to the natives.

Depends what they like. Off the top of my head… – tram rides (especially if you don’t have trams in your part of the world) – museum and Scienceworks http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/ – Puffing Billy steam train http://www.puffingbilly.com.au/ – penguins at Phillip Island http://www.penguins.org.au/ – Healesville sanctuary (native animals) and Melbourne Zoo http://www.zoo.org.au/ and plenty of parks and gardens to explore. Try browsing around http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/ Daniel — Daniel Bowen, Melbourne, Australia Visiting Australia FAQ http://www.custard.net.au/australia/

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Take your time on the Great Ocean Road.  It is a great view but you need time to enjoy it,  Don’t miss the twelve Apostles.   If you have time, check out Phillips Island and the penguin parade.  Phillips Island is on the opposite side of Melbourne from Adelaide. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Planning  a family trip with 2 kids (aged 5 & 7) and my wife during early December. We plan to start  off from Adelaide and fly back from Melbourne. Planning to hire a car and stay in the local B&Bs. Looking for suggestions, ideas or itinerary and advices. That’s plenty of time.  As Daniel mentioned, don’t miss the Great Ocean Road.  You should also perhaps start by taking a run through the Flinders Ranges, perhaps as far up as Wilpena Pound.  A lot of people bag on Port Augusta but I quite like the place and there are some things that would be of interest to the kiddies – the Wadlata centre is pretty good (although the souvis are pretty pricey and poor value) and the Arid Lands Botanic Centre (hope I have that name right) is worth a squint if you’re into that sort of thing.  Spencer Gulf has some great sailing and fishing (check what’s in season, I’ve not been in December, yet).  The French Hot Bread place on Commercial St. is the best in the country. From there, I would head back down and across, taking the G.O.R.; then go up into the goldfields (Ballarat, Bendigo) which have theme areas and rebuilt "old time" streets, etc. which the kids should enjoy. Finally, keep a few days for each city.  I’m not normally a city person, but Adelaide does have some charms which take some time to grow on you (once you get used to all the churches).  Take a tram to Glenelg and spend some time on the beach (hopefully all that construction is finished by now) and be sure to take in the central market just off King William Square (at the other end of the tram).  With any luck (does anyone know?  I’m about a year out of date) the Don Bradman display will still be on in one of the buildings (library?) on North Tce. As for Melbourne, I haven’t spent enough time there yet to be knowledgeable about what’s the best use of time/best interest to kids but there will be lots.  It’s quite a charming city.  I’ll leave that to the natives. HTH

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Hey Folks – Was fishing a small river in Washington a couple of years ago and ran into numerous two-handed rods. I understand that you can mend line more effectively and cover more water than with conventional tackle, but when my brother was fishing a run on this small river some guy on the other side waded in behind him and ended up swinging his fly just a couple of feet from where my brother was standing, and into virtually the same water he was covering. I saw this a number of times on this two-day trip, and really could not understand what the hell these guys were doing. I concluded, perhaps mistakenly, that these two-handed rodders were new to the sport of flyfishing, as they didn’t seem to understand the error of their ways. I have been dirtbagged plenty in twenty years of steelheading, but getting dirtbagged by a flyfisherman was relatively new to me until I started running into some of these double-handers. Have any of you run into similar experiences with two-handed rodders? -Charlie Miller

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Folks – Was fishing a small river in Washington a couple of years ago and ran into numerous two-handed rods. I understand that you can mend line more effectively and cover more water than with conventional tackle, but when my brother was fishing a run on this small river some guy on the other side waded in behind him and ended up swinging his fly just a couple of feet from where my brother was standing, and into virtually the same water he was covering. I saw this a number of times on this two-day trip, and really could not understand what the hell these guys were doing. I concluded, perhaps mistakenly, that these two-handed rodders were new to the sport of flyfishing,

Very well established style of fly-fishing called Spey fishing, originally developed on the river Spey in Scotland. Two handed rods of great length (14-16′) which are popular on big rivers such the Thompson in B.C. as they didn’t seem to understand the error of their ways.

Good heavens!!!!!! such manners from a fly fisherman, will wonders never cease.  I have been dirtbagged plenty in twenty years of steelheading, but getting dirtbagged by a flyfisherman was relatively new to me until I started running into some of these double-handers. Have any of you run into similar experiences with two-handed rodders?

It just goes to show that such behaviour is not alien to the haughty-taughty fly fishing community. I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman.

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…  I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman.

NOTHING worse ? Cheap scotch, cancelling Cheers, the designated hitter rule, novels by Robert J. Waller ? NOTHING worse ? Awww c’mon. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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…  I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman. NOTHING worse ? Cheap scotch, cancelling Cheers, the designated hitter rule, novels by Robert J. Waller ? NOTHING worse ? Awww c’mon. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

    bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more? wayno

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[snipped] I agree with most of those bullets, Mike except… the night before the morning after

Actually, I rather enjoy that part ;^) the Broncos

LOL! Oh, how the mighty have fallen ;^) /daytripper (With the undefeated Patsies)

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Daytripper wrote : [snipped] I agree with most of those bullets, Mike except… the night before the morning after Actually, I rather enjoy that part ;^) the Broncos LOL! Oh, how the mighty have fallen ;^) /daytripper (With the undefeated Patsies)

  Oh yeah!  Well, while you spend Sunday with your nose glued to the tube, I’m going fishing. (Damn Broncos)

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The memory of Tripper’s sneakers.  It will stay with me for a long, long time.

Yeah – but they weren’t a problem on the river (though only because I don’t wear them on the river ;^) /daytripper (careful – or I’ll dig ‘em up and mail ‘em to ya!)

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   bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more?

Postseason baseball games, soccer even with women, menthol cigarettes, sand fleas, parking at school, the night before the morning after, the City and County of Denver, being on the receiving end of an iron-wrist takedown, Ford trucks, three-two beer, jello shots, the Broncos, minor but persistent cases of the flu, not being able to fish for a few weeks, my fiancee being on the other side of the freakin’ Pacific Ocean… Like an instructor of mine once said: "sometimes, it just sucks to be you." I have to settle for being young, healthy, and solvent and seeing the sunset over the Rockies as I drink beer in the backyard every evening. The next line is true. The last line is false.

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 too much coke… not enough rum     and to think; back in the early eighties, it was just the other way around. wayno

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Day Tripper: <<These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river. True – but you left out jet skis – which often are… /daytripper The memory of Tripper’s sneakers.  It will stay with me for a long, long time. Dave L.

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True – but you left out jet skis – which often are…

Aren’t those what PETA uses to harass fishermen (might as well drag their sorry asses in this<g)… — Charlie…

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wayno: <<district attorneys, ROFL.   BTW, counselor, when the hell are you gonna be at this Smoky thing?  Last I heard you were going to be there Sat – Tues., but I have heard tell you will be there until Thurs.  What’s up? Louie, who has wanted to do Hazel for sooooooo long!

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 Aww hell you’re right Ken, there ARE things worse than that; warm beer, Japanese shitbox cars on lowered suspensions with big boom box stereos,  the Americanization of our beloved hockey by Bettman (the commisioner) These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river. True – but you left out jet skis – which often are… /daytripper

  Last Saturday I was on the Harrison river in my 18′Hewescraft. boats were everywhere and travelling up and down the river chasing the sockeye, and pink salmon. A disquieting noise began to emerge from down river that grew louder and louder. All of a sudden we see a long line of jet skis coming up the river like a pack of jungle dogs. I counted  29 jetskis all in a row like some gang of  Hawgs riders looking for anyone to defy them. An amazing site. If you think jet skis are bad now, just wait. It will only get worse as they drive all other boaters of the water. Stevo the future-fearer

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 Aww hell you’re right Ken, there ARE things worse than that; warm beer, Japanese shitbox cars on lowered suspensions with big boom box stereos,  the Americanization of our beloved hockey by Bettman (the commisioner) These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river.

True – but you left out jet skis – which often are… /daytripper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more? Ill mannered dogs, cell phones in cars, collection agencies, interruptions at dinner (or any other meal), major American brewers, cats, black flies, internal combustion engines, canned soup, Wonder "Bread" (the real wonder is that they get away with calling it bread), insurance sales people, insurance actuaries, insurance companies, muggers, buggers, huggers, Barney, Paul Hogan, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Clinton, the various Georges and other Bushes, what’s his name-the dipshit New York DJ just had his own movie last year, Ryan

Yikes, I’ve really started something here, so I guess I’ll continue; Revenue Canada, photoradar, gridlock, poachers, the Dallas Stars, Toronto, drive-by shootings, river mechanics, too much coke… not enough rum,  blown-out rivers, outboards that won’t start, commercial fisherman, Fisheries and Oceans Canada

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…  I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman. NOTHING worse ? Cheap scotch, cancelling Cheers, the designated hitter rule, novels by Robert J. Waller ? NOTHING worse ? Awww c’mon.

  Aww hell you’re right Ken, there ARE things worse than that; warm beer, Japanese shitbox cars on lowered suspensions with big boom box stereos,  the Americanization of our beloved hockey by Bettman (the commisioner) These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river. Cheers (the salutation, not the series) Stevo the hockey starved

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    bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more?

Ill mannered dogs, cell phones in cars, collection agencies, interruptions at dinner (or any other meal), major American brewers, cats, black flies, internal combustion engines, canned soup, Wonder "Bread" (the real wonder is that they get away with calling it bread), insurance sales people, insurance actuaries, insurance companies, muggers, buggers, huggers, Barney, Paul Hogan, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Clinton, the various Georges and other Bushes, what’s his name-the dipshit New York DJ just had his own movie last year, Ryan

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I am going to the Boulder Mountain area to do some fly fishing and was wondering where the best spots would be. I don’t have a 4 wheel drive, so I am limited. Thankyou. J.b.

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Please check out the Utah Fish Finder for the fishing conditions. — Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~utah/fishing

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I have a 14ft 9/10 wt. Spey rod and I’m looking for information as to the availability of a good sink tip Spey line. Hopefully someone can point me to the right source. Thanks, MJR

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I have a 14ft 9/10 wt. Spey rod and I’m looking for information as to the availability of a good sink tip Spey line. Hopefully someone can point me to the right source. Thanks, MJR

The RIO Windcutter is expensive but comes with interchangeable floating and two weights of sinking tips that match to the taper for decent spey casting. It is a shorter belly than his other line, the Accelerator.  I am not sure if the Accelerator has the removeable tips but that is a longer belly line specifically for spey casting, but not appropriate for shooting or overhand.  I think the belly on the windcutter is about 45 or 50 feet so you end up shooting your spey cast and retrieving a bit back near the belly before casting. Thw windcutter also has a removeable floating mid section and I have found that by removing this and the tip I am able to add about 25′ of leadcore, just for overhand not spey casting, but it throws it pretty good and this really gets deep. Your tackle dealer may be able to tell you more, or look RIO up – I think they are in Blackfoot, Idaho or Montana, one of the two. You could also make your own in the time-honored tradition. Cut up an 8 wt. shooting head into 5, 10, and fifteen foot pieces and put stiff mono loops on the ends, and cut off the front taper of a DT-10 line and put another loop there and this should turn over fairly decently. You need to use very heavy mono like Maxima 80 lb. or so, or strip off the plastic and make a loop with the braided core and coat with pliobond.  Going a couple of sizes lighter in the sink tips allows it to kick over easier and will work much better than trying it with 9 or 10 wt. shooting head pieces. This info is from Trey Combs big Steelhead book. Happy Steelheading, mark Vinsel — http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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I have a 14ft 9/10 wt. Spey rod and I’m looking for information as to the availability of a good sink tip Spey line. Hopefully someone can point me to the right source. Thanks, MJR

You don’t say if you want a line for overhead, switch or speycasting… Anyway, check out http://www.teleport.com/~flyfish/speyline.html (A nice page with comprehensive info) Good luck and… /Tord Andreasson, Sweden

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This document was last edited: January 25, 1996SteelheadquartersQuest for the Perfect Spey Lineby Mark Bachmann, for The Fly Fishing Shop, Welches, Oregon, USA

The first thing that you will notice when listening to a gathering of two hand fly rod advocates is there are a lot of different ideas about which is the best fly line configuration. At present there are at least(8) different full floating spey line taper configurations manufaured in the USA.

At present three configurations for sinking tip lines are commonly used. We will try to make some sense of these differing approaches to fly line taper design, knowing and welcoming in advance that there will be some disagreement on some points. We will pass on the more interesting e-mail discussions and ask only that these discussions be limited to subjects thoroughly tested for several long days on-stream.

The perfect spey line would fish long, fish close, fish calm, fish wind and throw large and small flies. For the purpose of these discussions the words spey and two-hand will be used interchangeably. The lines listed in the following text are specially designed for spey or change-of-direction-roll-casting. They may not be appropriate for over head casting.Double Taper Floating Spey Lines. Double taper is the traditional fly line design for two hand fly rods. There are some obvious reasons why. A double taper is the easiest to mend at long distance. A double taper turns over smoothly. Since the belly of the line is a constant diameter there is little need to strip, coil or shoot line. Theoretically turn around time is quicker and the angler is more efficient. Besides when spey casts were first developed, the equipment of the time was more difficult to shoot line with. However double tapers often need long back loops to load the rod for long casts. These loops can get blown by the wind or get tangled in the stream side brush.Cortland or S.A. Traditional 90′ Double TaperThe traditional 90′ double taper fly line has about 76′ of belly with about 7′ of taper on each end. Taper design is dependent on the size of the line and the maufacurer who made it. I’ve met a number of anglers packing around the 120′ spey double tapers that couldn’t cast the first 90′. It takes a fair amount of practice to cast consistently 90′ and stay under control. The extra thirty feet of bulk of the 120′ spey line needs a heavier and often more expensive reel to hold it. Use the 90′ lin if it fits your conditions.Cortland or S.A., Specially designed 120′ Double Taper Spey LinesThese lines are designed for really good fly casters who fish big rivers with rods that are longer than those commonly used for steelhead fishing. However if you’re fishing a very large river and have the skill, it’s hard to cast 120′ with a 90′ fly line.Custom made, Double taper, tickler-tip spey lines. This type of double taper fly line has had part of the tip taper removed from one end andis joined to 15′ to 20′ of a smaller diameter double taper fly line. The tip is often joined to the main line with a loop to loop system. The floating tip can be removed and a sinking one added. This makes it the most adaptable spey line out there. The problem is for me that it doesn’t do anything very well. (I know I’ll get the E-mails for this one.) I have fished with anglers who can cast very well with this system however.Cortland, Step taper Double Taper Spey Line This fly line has a short belly with very long front taper on each end which descends in steps. The taper is desinged to magnify the energy flowing down the line and increase line speed at long distance. The double taper design makes long distance mending comfortable. I used one of these lines on the Deschutes River last fall for about two weeks and caught several steelhead with it. It preformed well enough during calm days but gave me fits in the wind. The test line may have been a little heavy for the rod I was using it on. I think that next fall I will try the same rod with the next size smaller line and see what happens. (I’ll keep you posted.)Weight Forward Floating Spey Lines, Royal Wulff Triangle Taper Spey LinesThis line has a continuous taper for 65′ to 80′. It has a short rear taper and then enough running line to reach a full 120′ length. The rear of the tapered head is larger than a double taper of the same weight designation. The design theory is that as the loop unrolls, a larger diameter line is forcing energy into a smaller diameter line. This helps maintan line speed. The triangle taper fly line was invented by Lee Wulff. I will make no unbiased bones about it , this is my favorite full floating fly line. If the design was good enough its good enough for me. Besides, I met Joan Wullf for the first time last fall. She sure seemed like a nice lady. I’d just as soon put the money in her pocket. This line casts long, is controllable long, casts well enough in the wind and lays the fly down delicately. Keep yours real clean with the new Scientific Anglers Fly Line Dressing.Cortland Step Taper Weight Forward Spey LinesStep tapers have a short level belly and a long front taper which is graduated in steps. It is desingned to condence energy much like the triangle taper. I’ve spent a limited amount of time on the water with this line. My partner, Mark Sensland used a weight foreward step taper line extensively on the Deschutes last fall and came back singing its praises. If you’ve seen him cover the water, it doesn’t take long to realize that he’s a man of vast steelhead experience.Rio Wind Cutter Spey Lines These 120′ lines are specifically designed for windy conditions. They have comparatively short heavy heads that are designed to turn around quickly with a shallow back loop and load the rod deeply for maximum line speed. The running line is small diameter for minimum wind resistance. I fished a couple of evenings on the Deschutes when the wind was blowing so hard that it would have been impossible for me to cast with any other line. One evening I hooked three steelhead and landed two. Beats sitting around camp. I recommend that you have one of these lines in your arsonal for those really bad days. Rio fly lines are designed by Jim Vincent of Blackfoot, Idaho. Jim is aknowlged as one of the better spey casters in the U.S. and has produced a very good video on the subject. We of course have them…$29.95. Rio Accelerator Spey Lines These lines are designed to give and extra kick at the end of the tip turn-over. They are a long belly weight forward configuration which tapers down and then once again enlarges to create extra mass near the tip.Sinking Tip Spey LinesThere are many conditions when steelhead will take a fly but they won’t rise to the surface for it. A sinking tip fly line takes the fly down to the fish’s level. The only problem is that there are many different depths and current speeds that will hold steelhead. Several sink rates are neccasary to cover all the conditions you may encounter. Carrying and changing extra fly lines can be cumbersome and time consuming. A floating line with changable sinking tips is more streamlined than carrying extra spools with different lines. It is a system that is readily adapted to the spey rod. The extra length of the spey rod gives the advantage that this loop system doesn’t have to enter the guides when stripping or casting. Since the line isn’t aerolized during the back cast any hinging effect caused by the loop conection isn’t a factor. Lines that are designed with a front taper to blend the energy flow for a specific weight of sinking tip, do turn over more controlably than a level drop conection. Staying in your casting rythem is easier if all of your sinking tips are the same weight and length and the density is varied for different sink rates.Custom, Double Taper Sinking Tip Spey LinesThis system is simply a double taper floating fly line with all or part of the tip taper chopped off and a loop installed for adding sinkingtips. Like its full floating counterpart, it doesn’t have to be stripped back to be recast. It can be mended to very long distances. It does have some design disadvantages however. If the line has enough mass to turn over a tip that is heavy enough to have an effective sink rate, the line becomes heavy enough to bog the rod down at longer casting ranges. Pulling a sunk tip to the top of the water so it can be recast, is fatiuging and more difficult to time at longer distances. Often the line must be stripped back so that the tip can be pulled to the top of the water. Because of the larger diameter of the line remaining in the guides, double taper lines don’t shoot as … read more »

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I was thinking of trying out the Hiwassee river in western Tennessee this weekend.  Anyone know the fishing (trout, that is) and water level conditions?  In particular, is the river wade-able at this time of the year?

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I was thinking of trying out the Hiwassee river in western

Tennessee this weekend.  Anyone know the fishing (trout, that is) and water level conditions?  In particular, is the river wade-able at this time of the year?<< I plan on fishing it Sunday morning, reports I’ve been getting indicates releases are starting late morning which should allow wading in the lower part of the trophy section until early afternoon. It’s been my limited experience that the fishing is almost always good. Don’t know for sure what’s coming off besides the ever present caddis but I always take some BWO, sulphurs, and hendricksons along with the usual nymphal stuff just in care. Wayne Knight Marietta GA                                              

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Path: magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.in ternetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!jethro.msfc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: jethro.msfc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) I was thinking of trying out the Hiwassee river in western Tennessee this weekend.  Anyone know the fishing (trout, that is) and water level conditions?  In particular, is the river wade-able at this time of the year?

I wish I could go with you. Fun river. Try right above the bridge at reliance (gas station).  If you got float tubes do that also spectacular river. I almost drowned at 2 wheels, waders filled, scared the piss out of me. Otherwise safe river. Have fun. Brad Barricklow, Columbus Ohio.

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You can call 1-800 238-2264 which is the TVA hot line. When it answers push #4 which is generation levels. Then when the two letter code is requested, pust 22, the code for Appalacia Dam. They will then give you the last 8 hours of generation in CFS, followed by the generation schedule for the rest of the day. If you  call after 4PM EDT you can get the schedule for the next day. The river is usually fished during no generation but some people use tubes with one generator and drift boat it when 2 generators are running. I would be careful if you are not familiar with the river as the bottom is very irregular. Watch for water rising and get out.The river has been fishing pretty good but they have had a lot of rain this year in East Tn. The Adams fly shop is near the town or Reliance and they are a good source of info. Good luck. J.

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You might try straws with the tippet strung between the ends and the flies stuck in the straw.  That’s still a pain sometimes too, I wish I knew the perfect method. Curtis

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Hi Tim, Your idea on storing already assemble nymph and dropper fly sounds great. I think I’ll do something similar myself. Thanks! Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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any suggestions on how to store a dropper/point combination?  I hate to discard the tippet and start all over again when reusing the same combination.  thanks

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any suggestions on how to store a dropper/point combination?  I hate to discard the tippet and start all over again when reusing the same

Round your hat, easy if brimmed, otherwise still possible. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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any suggestions on how to store a dropper/point combination?  I hate to discard the tippet and start all over again when reusing the same Round your hat, easy if brimmed, otherwise still possible.

I took a newbie nymphing awhile back…I was waiting for him at the house (you know how those damned newbies are) and thought I could save some time on the river by pre-tying some of these casts, so I did…I tied a dozen BigFLy/Little fly combinations using a 14 inch hunk of 5X. At the time, I found a little cardboard watch box (approx: 1 X 3 X 6) with this carboard insert. I simply cut slits in each end of this insert…put the big hook in the slit, wrapped the tippet around and stuck the little hook into the cardboard.  Put the insert back in the box. It really worked well, except for the 5th law of flyfishing… that a hatch was on and midge emergers were in order, not the deep drift casts I had ready. (lucky bastard still probably has a dozen damn droppers and 2 dozen of my best nymphs in his vest somewhere hanging in a garage while he’s out golfing…) Tim Walker

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The show is scheduled for September 11-14. In years past, Organizers, Etc. (800 283-2754) have helped attendees with travel and lodging reservations. You might give them a call for details.

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Hello Simon: Contact the staff of the International Fly Tackle Dealer Show at: PO Box 370 Camden, ME 04843 Clay

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I am very keen to attend the Denver Fly Fishing Trade Show in September. Could someone please furnish me with details.

The organization behind the promotion of this show is Fly Rod & Reel Magazine.  Their address is:         Fly Rod & Reel              PO Box 370              Camden, Maine 04843 You can also send E-Mail from their home page at: http://flyfishers.com/fly-rod-reel.html Regards, Trent P Roberson          Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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I am very keen to attend the Denver Fly Fishing Trade Show in September. Could someone please furnish me with details.

You can write Fly Tackle Dealer Magazine at Box 370 Camden, Maine 04843. You can probably e-mail Fly Rod and Reel (same group) through their web site (sorry, don’t know the Domain Name).    -Ralph Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com

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        I just moved to boulder, to start school, and do not know any places to fish.   I have been fly fishing for 3 years, on the east coast, and would like to start out here.   I would be greatful if anyone could e-mail with info on good spots and what to fish with.   The closer to campus the better.   While I do not have a car, I could probably find a ride, if the stream was good enough. Ryan Crow

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The Thompson has plenty of great holes. Also if you have the means, drive up to Tucker Ranch (all the way up Baseline), and hike down the path on your right. There is a great little stream I’ve pulled many from. Jonathan Claxton

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I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?

Sure that’d be good.  But lets say your headed there maybe next month.  In the mean time, give them a call and get their address.  Send them $20 or so, and ask them to gather up a few flies that should be working when you arrive and mail them to you.  Also ask them for a tip on locations, etc. Typically, you’ll get good stuff, probably more than what you actually paid for (lets say the $ covers 10 flies, most times you’ll get a dz anyway), plus you’ll have models for your own tying bench. When you get there, stop in.  You will be warmly greeted by the guy or gal who filled your order, and they’ll remember you as a friend.  Trust me on this- it always has been effective! — Mike Tucker- The Virtual Flyshop, The Complete Resource              Web Page:  http://rmii.com/~flyshop/flyshop.html              Tel. 970-498-8779   FAX 970-491-2585 If you try 970 and it doesn’t work use 303.  Leave it to US WEST to change our area code and not tell the rest of the world……

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I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out? Thanks for the advice/opinions, Dave

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Braunegg) writes: I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out? Thanks for the advice/opinions, Dave

Buy only what you need and try to give them some feedback on your experience so your not the only one getting something out of this. They aren’t running a community service, they are in business! Sharing good locations and tips keeps *customers* comming back so it makes good business sense, but, after a while, they may find that they take a bit longer to get to you…

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I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out?

This is really a nice question to see.  Without deteriorating into a rant, if you go into a fly shop and someone won’t give you the time of day until you flash your AMEX, leave and go elsewhere.  There are too many people who run shops who simply don’t deal with anyone but their perceived "good customers."  Let ‘em starve.  In our shop, everyone I’ve hired remains employed primarily on a customer service basis.  The sales people are not commissioned.  In my mind and the vision of our store, we treat a purchase of a tippet and the purchase of an outfit are equally important.  If I catch someone short-answering any customer, I point out proper behavior. (and most of those guys got jobs with other fly shops . . . strange how that works.) Of course, store-folk are human.  We deal with the 20 questions about this knot, that fly, or those fisheries, many asked in the most unbelievably rude and offensive manner, and every once in a while, our heads start to whirl a bit.   So, as  a previous poster noted, it is nice to call back and return information.  Luckily, this business is still one in which relationships can develop between customers and shop owners.  As a customer, if you feel someone treated you well, return the favor.  If they were unhelpful and rude spend your money elsewhere.   Many times my eventual "best customers" came from a 15 minute phone conversation in which I didn’t make any money at all. Well, got to go open the shop — hope this helps –jim *                                                     *

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If I catch someone short-answering any customer, I point out proper behavior. (and most of those guys got jobs with other fly shops . . . strange how that works.) Luckily, this business is still one in which relationships can develop between customers and shop owners.  As a customer, if you feel someone treated you well, return the favor.  If they were unhelpful and rude spend your money elsewhere.  

Good to see this response from a fly shop owner. Where I live we have three fly shops.  I frequent two of them, and these tow are as happy to see a customer when he’s buying a sppol of tippet (or nothing at all) as when he’s buying a new rod.  The other shop just doesn’t have a friendly atmosphere.  I think the main thing that makes anyone a repeat customer in a fly shop is that they are comfortable there, even if they don’t spend their money.   As consumers, it’s only fair that we support the shops we like.  Don’t go cast a rod at your local shop, and the buy it through mail order because you can save a few bucks.  It’s low class, and it may result in the fly shop not being there the next time you really need something.  Want to wait three weeks for mail order when you need something for the weekend. Just my $0.02

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: I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what : flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good : stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and : therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way : to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some : fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind : some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking : out? : Thanks for the advice/opinions, : Dave         The easiest thing to do is to buy some of the flies that they recommend whether you tie or not there has to be something that you don’t have.         Rick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Braunegg) writes: I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out? Thanks for the advice/opinions, Dave Buy only what you need and try to give them some feedback on your experience so your not the only one getting something out of this. They aren’t running a community service, they are in business! Sharing good locations and tips keeps *customers* comming back so it makes good business sense, but, after a while, they may find that they take a bit longer to get to you…

Hi, I hate quoting quotes, but to follow this up… We welcome people just dropping in and chatting about NS and where to flyfish. I even went so far as to put in a map and a bl;ackboard and some markers for the map, and we made a "community fishing bulletin board- the old style not electronic!). Why I don’t mind, even if you don’t buy then, is that someday you will weant to buy, and hopefully you’ll remember us – In the meantime…. Tight Lines Bill Curry Tight Lines Tackle Shop and Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia Canada   B0T 1L0 902-656-3329 (ph and fax)

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Introducing a new catalog featuring custom flyfishing tackle. For a free catalog, send your name and address to : or by U.S. Mail to:      Jordon Creek Outfitters      PO Box 302      Orefield, Pennsylvania 18069 Thanks for the interest.

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Sure, please send me a copy of your catalog: John Wernet 1022 Timber Creek Drive Grand Ledge, MI  48837

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writes: For a free catalog, send your name and address to :

Sure, please send me a copy of your catalog: John Wernet 1022 Timber Creek Drive Grand Ledge, MI  48837

Please, not this again. If you take the trouble to cite "For a free catalog, send your the  trouble to READ it? It says: (I’ll paraphrase and capitalize, for the literacy impaired)  SEND ME EMAIL.DON’T POST YOUR REQUEST TOTHE NEWSGROUP.  REALLY. You quoted it yourself, right? Please excuse the rant, but this one deserved a public flogging. Chris Knight Syracuse NY

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Please send a free flyfishing catalog to: Don Dodson # 8 Didrickson Lane Amarillo, TX  79124 Thank you

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Please send a free flyfishing catalog to: Don Dodson # 8 Didrickson Lane Amarillo, TX  79124 Thank you

I propose that we each e-mail a 10Meg core dump to the next person who posts a request like this to the group.   Please read the original post, it asks you to e-mail to Sean Brennan (.std disclaimers)

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Please send a catalog. Stephen Feinberg 131 High St. Hastings NY 10706         thx

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