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Wolfgang writes:  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot.

and yours is better, my man. Had real pretty knots fishing on Thursday. You should be proud!                    your grateful Clavemeister

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By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :)

and you didn’t push – you’re all slipping. I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks!

So they ran outta names – not an erudite lot, eh? Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year.

Can we give it back after? (hate to be stuck with a noow yawk) I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said.

He’s had too many lessons, that’s the problem. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon.

any blood splats? For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand.

sorry, no gerbil here – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived.

from what I heard, a lot got shot as well However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :(

wazzat you? I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

Louie has a real dumbfuck picture of you.  better pay him off real quick. Cheers Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Wolfgang writes:  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. and yours is better, my man. Had real pretty knots fishing on Thursday. You should be proud!                    your grateful Clavemeister

Delighted to be of service!  It DOES sort of highlight the difficulties inherent in this medium though, don’t it?       Wolfgang o.k., so, would someone please explai……ah shit, never mind.    

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Great report, Wolfie. I look forward to my first opportunity to attend a clave. -Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :) I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks! Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year. I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon. For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand. I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived. However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :( I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

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By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :) I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks! Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year. I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon. For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand. I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived. However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :( I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

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I clicked the URL and there she was Just shirt & boots & skin & fuzz Mercy me, shall I go blind? the beauteous glow of her behind did make my eyes bulge out of sockets and tightened the fabric about me pockets. Is this the heaven of which Wayno spoke? The reward for being a righteous bloke? Doth her rivers flow with milk and honey? Would she love me if I had no money? Too bad she was but 2 dimensional 72 DPI for screens conventional Alas, so it goes dear friends on ROFF Though perhaps for some you did get off. Torben’s a master of cruel tricks for his JPEG pulled your eager Johnsons. Moishe

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I clicked the URL and there she was Just shirt & boots & skin & fuzz Mercy me, shall I go blind? the beauteous glow of her behind did make my eyes bulge out of sockets and tightened the fabric about me pockets. Is this the heaven of which Wayno spoke? The reward for being a righteous bloke? Doth her rivers flow with milk and honey? Would she love me if I had no money? Too bad she was but 2 dimensional 72 DPI for screens conventional Alas, so it goes dear friends on ROFF Though perhaps for some you did get off. Torben’s a master of cruel tricks for his JPEG pulled your eager Johnsons. Moishe

        damn if i don’t think you have some promise as a writer of doggerel; an occupation which, in my opinion, eclipses that of a seminary student. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I clicked the URL and there she was Just shirt & boots & skin & fuzz Mercy me, shall I go blind? the beauteous glow of her behind did make my eyes bulge out of sockets and tightened the fabric about me pockets. Is this the heaven of which Wayno spoke? The reward for being a righteous bloke? Doth her rivers flow with milk and honey? Would she love me if I had no money? Too bad she was but 2 dimensional 72 DPI for screens conventional Alas, so it goes dear friends on ROFF Though perhaps for some you did get off. Torben’s a master of cruel tricks for his JPEG pulled your eager Johnsons. Moishe

That’s Disgusting!  And, like most disgusting things, freakin’ hilarious! "and tightened the fabric about me pockets"  heh heh heh,  I’m still chuckling. thanks Mu, — Levi Always do sober what you said you’d do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. –Ernest Hemingway

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<snipped I clicked the URL and there she was

What was that URL again?  Sounds like they have some new info to see errr read there. Warren

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MUuuuuuu river, soft and pure white buns….. purrrrrfect for the bums of roff…… http://www.imf.au.dk/~tmm/flyfish.html

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I clicked the URL  <snipped

Thanks Mu, for now, I have seen everything. Wayno & Asadi in the same header… don’t that beat all. obclave: BTW guys, I’ve been antsy all week…see ya sat. Waldo wonderin’ , what next? — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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This summer, starting in early June, I will be bicycling from Anchorage up the Parks Highway to Cantwell, across the Denali Highway and then over to the Alaska highway and out through the Yukon, B.C, Alberta….. I will be bringing a rod (4 pc, 6 wt?) and looking to do what fishing I can as I make my way.  Need to keep my fishing kit small.  Never been there before.  Expect I’ll see grayling.  Might I catch any of the King run on the Susitna? Any ideas on what flies I should bring would be appreciated.  I’m a newbie, but I just can’t pass on the chance to drop a line in the Great White North. I can con a friend of mine into tying up whatever you might suggest.  Also, if anyone wants to bestow the location of their favorite spots on me, I wouldn’t complain. Thanks a bunch.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer, starting in early June, I will be bicycling from Anchorage up the Parks Highway to Cantwell, across the Denali Highway and then over to the Alaska highway and out through the Yukon, B.C, Alberta….. I will be bringing a rod (4 pc, 6 wt?) and looking to do what fishing I can as I make my way.  Need to keep my fishing kit small.  Never been there before.  Expect I’ll see grayling.  Might I catch any of the King run on the Susitna? Any ideas on what flies I should bring would be appreciated.  I’m a newbie, but I just can’t pass on the chance to drop a line in the Great White North. I can con a friend of mine into tying up whatever you might suggest.  Also, if anyone wants to bestow the location of their favorite spots on me, I wouldn’t complain. Thanks a bunch.

Andrew,   I assume you live in Anchorage, or are flying in for this bicycle trip. Either way, from experience flying the bush years ago up there (I flew out of Fairbanks Int’l and Merrill Field, Anchorage) if you don’t bring anything else, bring a headnet and clothes that will protect the rest of your skin from hordes of ravenous mosquitoes. They are not all that bad in the ‘big cities’ of Alaska, but can drive you absolutely crazy out in the muskeg, etc. As an example, I used to fly clients or friends out to a remote lake in the Tanana Valley, and always carried a can or two of Black Flag bug spray. As soon as the airplane doors are opened to de-plane, look out! Of course, headnets were already in place. The Black Flag was to kill ‘em when they boarded with us for the return trip. I have caught grayling on drys and wets, most of the time they are not too fussy. If you want some arm wrenching fun, try any streamer that imitates a minnow, then fish the rivers for pike. We caught pike in the Yukon and Tanana rivers until our arms hurt. These were not especially big fish, maybe average 3# or so, but just sheer numbers will wear you down. Good luck, your post brought back many fond memories. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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_______ I spent so much money today . . . buying the final Bastard Assembly Line Items, I don’t know how MUCH the Certified Check was for, but just the ink on it weighted 3 pounds.  (From what Gladys says)  The postage to send it Priority Mail cost her $22! I do know this.  Bastards are going to be worth every bit of $1800 – $2400 dollars right out of the starting blocks.  That I’m crazy enough to offer them for $300 as an introductory challenge to the world of fly fishing, does NOT mean I’m forced to hold these prices forever. Why don’t you guys move the conclave to here and help me build your fly rods? Today it is a steady, cold, spring rain.  My fax machine blew up.  Had to buy a new one.  Just now finished hooking it up. This was AFTER we mailed that BIG check. See your Grand American & Bastard Updates.  Order a reel with that Bastard Beauty that you have coming.  You only live once.  This is what a lot of you are doing. Visit: http://www.gink.com I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.

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_______ I spe I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.

 George…you’re askin the wrong guy. I lose more damn balls than a schizoid squirel loses nuts. Hell, last time out I lost 18 damn balls in one round. I’d smack my tee shot and lose sight of the dang thing. After ’bout 4 hours of this crap I headed for the bar.  About 15 minutes later this guy walked in with his wife and gave me my damn 18 titleists back. He said, it’s proper golf ettiquette to remove the ball from the holes after you sink ‘em. Go figure. Waldo —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604       http://www.mercury.net/~wgwinter to view our ongoing auctions at Ebay, click below… http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=blue…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _______ I spe I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.  George…you’re askin the wrong guy. I lose more damn balls than a schizoid squirel loses nuts. Hell, last time out I lost 18 damn balls in one round. I’d smack my tee shot and lose sight of the dang thing. After ’bout 4 hours of this crap I headed for the bar.  About 15 minutes later this guy walked in with his wife and gave me my damn 18 titleists back. He said, it’s proper golf ettiquette to remove the ball from the holes after you sink ‘em. Go figure. Waldo

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Reed (yes, I work for 5.10)

Hey, give it a rest reed.  5.10 is just another 85 buck a pair bunch of low volume bullshit.  Feed a kid in Guetemala for 2 years or help save the Blackfoot with your money.  Wear a worn out pair of keds.  Tell it to rec.boats.consume     — TJS Spokane, WA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking through the threads it seems lots of people are seeking an excellent kayak shoe.  Gary Mekan in Salt Lake City has just the ticket, a neoprene upper based on a climbing shoe design. It provides a tight-to-your- foot fit for the close tolerances of a kayak, and excellent foot protection and support for scouting missions.  In an early prototype he even stiffened up the midsole for me so I could use it as a rafting shoe.  Truely excellent.  Worth the $$. Kayak scouting missions would be less demanding than canoe portages. Any idea how they would perform on a portage — especially a long, rocky, hilly one? — JB

Just got a peek at the new Salomon water shoe (ok,so it was a rep’s catalogue and not the real thing..) called the Exhydra or something like that.It looked pretty good.Colors to match your boat and it looked like a cross between an approach shoe and a jogger,kinda.Mesh and neoprene and a decent sole for those who need to shlep their boats. FWIW, I bought a pair of the Columbia watershoes for a whitewater trip in Ontario last summer and promptly returned them after the trip.The stitching was poor and blew out the webbing for the laces the first day…then the drainage hole things popped out…you get the picture.Salomon has more experience with feet so they should know what works and they also incorporated feedback from paddlers who tested them.There should be some shoes at Canoe Expo in Pickering,Ont. in March and I’ve been told they’ll probably cost in the neighbourhood of $100 Cdn give or take , and Trailhead will have them. Cheers, Fred

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If you hear, I’d like to know.  I’d love to have personalized paddling shoes.    Sonny Salomon

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Yeah, so where can we get’em and how much are they??

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Yeah, so where can we get’em and how much are they??

A local, independent water sports retailer, Mountain Gear, REI, or Campmor. http://www.campmor.com         "         rei.com I forget Mountain Gear’s page…something with "mgear" in it. My guess in price from low to high: Campmor, REI, Mountain Gear.  And of course, quality usually changes from those places as well.

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Looking through the threads it seems lots of people are seeking an excellent kayak shoe.  Gary Mekan in Salt Lake City has just the ticket, a neoprene upper based on a climbing shoe design. It provides a tight-to-your- foot fit for the close tolerances of a kayak, and excellent foot protection and support for scouting missions.  In an early prototype he even stiffened up the midsole for me so I could use it as a rafting shoe.  Truely excellent.  Worth the $$.

Kayak scouting missions would be less demanding than canoe portages. Any idea how they would perform on a portage — especially a long, rocky, hilly one? — JB

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In about a month, Five Ten will have their new water shoe on the market.  It is designed to be low volume so it will fit into small cockpits, yet have enough support so that you can use it for difficult portages.  Of course, it will have Five Ten’s excellent rubber on the bottom, which you should be familiar with from some of Teva’s and Chaco’s top of the line sandals.  It will retail for $85.  You should be able to check them out at a local paddling shop.  Also check out the NOC and NRS catalogs, as they will both be carrying them. Reed (yes, I work for 5.10)

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In about a month, Five Ten will have their new water shoe on the market.  It is designed to be low volume so it will fit into small cockpits, yet have enough support so that you can use it for difficult portages.  Of course, it will have Five Ten’s excellent rubber on the bottom, which you should be familiar with from some of Teva’s and Chaco’s top of the line sandals.  It will retail for $85.  You should be able to check them out at a local paddling shop.  Also check out the NOC and NRS catalogs, as they will both be carrying them. Reed (yes, I work for 5.10)

  I saw these at the outdoor retailer show last month, and was not impressed.  Yes they’re flexible and low volume to fit in a kayak cockpit, but they look and feel like they have about the same amount of support and sole stiffness as a pair of neoprene booties – maybe enough for a short scout, but certainly not anything I’d want to use on a 1/4 mile portage.  Basically, they’re like a pair of Nike aqua socks with a five-ten rubber sole, and at $85 the price is exorbitant.

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Has anyone seen anything of the paddling footwear that is rumored to be available from Salomon this year?  I checked their web site to no avail. Thanks! Mike

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Looking through the threads it seems lots of people are seeking an excellent kayak shoe.  Gary Mekan in Salt Lake City has just the ticket, a neoprene upper based on a climbing shoe design. It provides a tight-to-your- foot fit for the close tolerances of a kayak, and excellent foot protection and support for scouting missions.  In an early prototype he even stiffened up the midsole for me so I could use it as a rafting shoe.  Truely excellent.  Worth the $$. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On the same vein, a pair of Converse Chucks do a similar job.  Get em a half size large and put on a pair of neo booties/sox over poly-something sox. such a deal! and warm enough for me.  I’ll wear ‘em over my drysuit booties too. More such a deal. Rob — Rob Molyneaux, PA-C I took so many rescue classes, now my wife teases me. remove "nospam" from address to return mail Would be very reluctant to recommend converse-type boots. Tried a pair of old Airwalk canvas "skatin’ shoes" for paddling (soon after they ceased to be cool). Had a big problem that there is a stiff plastic support bit at the heel which really dug in to my ankle when bent appropriately for insertion into my boat. Never tried with the Cons, but would assume that they would have a similar structure. tim

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this re Re: river footwear??: Would be very reluctant to recommend converse-type boots. Tried a pair of old Airwalk canvas "skatin’ shoes" for paddling (soon after they ceased to be cool). Had a big problem that there is a stiff plastic support bit at the heel which really dug in to my ankle when bent appropriately for insertion into my boat. Never tried with the Cons, but would assume that they would have a similar structure.

Vasque (Portege) and 1 other boot manufacturer (can’t remember name) now make shoes soecifically for this use.  I’ve also seen "wet climbing shoes" and can’t imagine anything so described biting a bent ankle. Scott A. Miller Have a new Java product? Annouce it @ www.javalobby.org/javawire Incoming fire has the right of way

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On the same vein, a pair of Converse Chucks do a similar job.  Get em a half size large and put on a pair of neo booties/sox over poly-something sox. such a deal! and warm enough for me.  I’ll wear ‘em over my drysuit booties too. More such a deal. Rob — Rob Molyneaux, PA-C I took so many rescue classes, now my wife teases me. remove "nospam" from address to return mail

Would be very reluctant to recommend converse-type boots. Tried a pair of old Airwalk canvas "skatin’ shoes" for paddling (soon after they ceased to be cool). Had a big problem that there is a stiff plastic support bit at the heel which really dug in to my ankle when bent appropriately for insertion into my boat. Never tried with the Cons, but would assume that they would have a similar structure. tim

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I must have missed/not gotten Joshs original post,  but I’ve been using Teva "sandlehikers".  They are not really sandles as they have a full rand around the foot, and the top is a nylon mesh, with the regular teva like strap.  They drain/dry quickly, are not super heavy, work well in water, and have enough support and sole for portaging.  Much easier than having to change for rough portages.  However, as you can tell I’m a wilderness tripper, have never been in a kayak, so I don’t know what kind of room problem you might have with shoes.   Keep your stick on the ice — and your paddle wet!! Rick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This subject came up a few months ago and someone suggested going to one of those used sporting goods shops and picking up some wrestling shoes. Well, thats what i did. Got a pair for $7.00. The outsoles are very thin and have great traction and are very flexible. The only thing they lack is the insulative property of a neoprene material. Overall they are the best kayaking footware I’ve had. Also they don’t dry as quickly. : I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any : comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for : the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but : will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? : PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. : Josh — J West

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This subject came up a few months ago and someone suggested going to one of those used sporting goods shops and picking up some wrestling shoes. Well, thats what i did. Got a pair for $7.00. The outsoles are very thin and have great traction and are very flexible. The only thing they lack is the insulative property of a neoprene material. Overall they are the best kayaking footware I’ve had. Also they don’t dry as quickly. : I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any : comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for : the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but : will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? : PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. : Josh — J West

On the same vein, a pair of Converse Chucks do a similar job.  Get em a half size large and put on a pair of neo booties/sox over poly-something sox. such a deal! and warm enough for me.  I’ll wear ‘em over my drysuit booties too. More such a deal. Rob — Rob Molyneaux, PA-C I took so many rescue classes, now my wife teases me. remove "nospam" from address to return mail

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This subject came up a few months ago and someone suggested going to one of those used sporting goods shops and picking up some wrestling shoes. Well, thats what i did. Got a pair for $7.00. The outsoles are very thin and have great traction and are very flexible. The only thing they lack is the insulative property of a neoprene material. Overall they are the best kayaking footware I’ve had. Also they don’t dry as quickly.

: I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any : comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for : the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but : will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? : PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. : Josh — J West

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Akona makes a wrestling type of shoe for watersports.  My friend has a pair, and loves them.  I got him some 5-10 rubber climbing shoe resoling kits, and now he has super sticky soles, super light shoes to fit in his Kinetic.

I just got the new NRS catalog over the weekend and they have a new 5.10 Water Tennie that looks pretty good.  I’ve got a pair of their felt soled "kickers" that I really like.  They hold wll on slippery rocks and I use them for when I’m flyfishing and wet wading. John Fereira

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Akona makes a wrestling type of shoe for watersports.  My friend has a pair, and loves them.  I got him some 5-10 rubber climbing shoe resoling kits, and now he has super sticky soles, super light shoes to fit in his Kinetic.

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I find that a cheap pair of Asics wrestling shoes work the best out of anything.  They have the lowest bulk and the best grip.  Drainage can get annoying but I just cut some holes in them.   justmy .02 cents Matt Matt Young

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I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. Josh

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I like Pataguchi, but I have to say the CFS shoes suck.  My $20 booties grip better than the super hype CFS rubber.  Gave up on mine.

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I like Pataguchi, but I have to say the CFS shoes suck.  My $20 booties grip better than the super hype CFS rubber.  Gave up on mine.

I stick with my 10$ (sale) thick soled linnen schoes. They are the model that has these army-type thick soles, sturdy multi-layer linnen top and laces. The rubber of the soles is also used to create a protective layer over the toe-section. They float, are cheap, very strong and after a year the only wear I can spot is where the side of the shoe has been in touch with my boat. If they get damaged, I’ll buy a new pair You can get them everywhere around here, seems like some fashion thing. I is a bit hard to get sizes over 45 (is that 11 US?) though. Bye, — Sociology Student  at the Tilburg University,  The Netherlands Whitewater Kayaker                         AD&D Dungeon Master Secretary  of  the  Eindhoven  Canoe Club  "De Genneper Molen"   No man is wise enough, nor good enough                                      to be trusted with unlimited power.                                       Charles Colton P.S. Spammers, be informed of the installment of a spam-filter on my account.   It functions in the same way insect repellent does: It makes sure that vermin like you can’t reach me.

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I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer??

I use some Teva Wet Climbers.  They are a tennis shoe, with drain holes, and rubber soul which reach up an inch high.  So if water goes over that inch height, your foot gets wet, yet the water will drain, and the materials dry quicker than most shoes.  There is little, if any, padding so they are not the best for wearing several days.  The bottom of the soul is nearly flat with just a bit of tread, and it’s hard to get them to slip when wet.

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?–

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?–

If you know any soldiers who have had experience in tropical jungle country they should know quite a lot about the use of bamboo.   Two genders  -  male and female – the male being smaller in diameter and more solid than the female which cam be of large diameter but hollw with relatively thin walls.   Chairs are more often made from Rattan which grows in conditions similst]r to bamboo and has very sharp spikes amongst its leaves.   That is about all I can tell you as I have only used it within the jungle scene using a khukri to cut it and split it to make beds, tables and the like.   The hollow inside the female variety is good for cooking rice or stuffing with explosive. — Charles (Joe) Stahelin Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?– If you know any soldiers who have had experience in tropical jungle country they should know quite a lot about the use of bamboo.   Two genders  -  male and female – the male being smaller in diameter and more solid than the female which cam be of large diameter but hollw with relatively thin walls.   Chairs are more often made from Rattan which grows in conditions similst]r to bamboo and has very sharp spikes amongst its leaves.   That is about all I can tell you as I have only used it within the jungle scene using a khukri to cut it and split it to make beds, tables and the like.   The hollow inside the female variety is good for cooking rice or stuffing with explosive.

Please do not forget its use as an ersatz mortar tube. Propped up at an angle and lashed to another piece of bamboo which had been lashed horizontally between two trees. To this day I cannot figure out how they managed to get the trajectories so close!

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I have seen bamboo laminates (3-ply) used for flooring recently.  According to the literature I read, it is actually harder than Red Oak, and makes a very interesting floor due to the very fine grain, or what resembles grain, and the nodes seem to be spaced very uniformily.  I have no idea how they remanufacture the finished product, but I am assuming they use the Timber type which grows 60+feet in a season.  I’d be interested to know how they mill it, etc..  Good luck. . .

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Intermediate Technology Publications publishes a book entitled:         Building with Bamboo: A handbook , Second Edition It is 88 pages and costs 9 pounds.  It discusses preparing bamboo for construction use, joints, and common building practices.  Please email me if you want more information re: publisher address, etc. Sorry, I discarded the original poster’s name and address. Douglas Stockman

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I have seen bamboo laminates (3-ply) used for flooring recently. According to the literature I read, it is actually harder than Red Oak, and makes a very interesting floor due to the very fine grain, or what resembles grain, and the nodes seem to be spaced very uniformily.  I have no idea how they remanufacture the finished product, but I am assuming they use the Timber type which grows 60+feet in a season.  I’d be interested to know how they mill it, etc..  Good luck. . . Bamboo’s actually a very fast growing species of grass, grows something like 1-2" per day.  It’s a light weight, excellent material for things like kite frames or construction scaffolding.  I’ve seen pics in Nat. Geo. of Taiwanese construction crews using the stuff for scaffolds reaching 10-12 stories above ground.  It can be worked by splitting, planing, and scraping.

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I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Hello, My dad has some contacts in Japan and could get some Japanes bamboo (larger diameter), but probably wouldn’t be cost effective unless you wanted a large amount. There is a forum about bamboo at www.woodfibre.com.  You might want to pose the same question there and they should be able to help. Don Yasaki HH & NK Co., Ltd.   Kings Mtn., NC Kiln-dried Hardwoods – Sawmill Direct Prices tel (704) 739-6914             fax (704) 739-7336 http://www.unc.edu/~dyasaki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Try these two URL’s: http://www.bamboo.org/abs/ http://www.communety.com/mintec/welcome.html Keith Bohn b2d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree. Darryl Hayashida

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

No plans unfortunately, but look at some books dealing with late 19th century furniture design – in England and America there was a craze (Japonisme) for anything with an Asian aesthetic and faux (and real) bamboo chairs, cabinets, hall trees and such were briefly "all the rage".  Most of this furniture was painted in black, gold, white, or other color combinations… Kevin

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

        Bamboo is a grass not a tree.  It is a plant but that is too general a term.         I do not know of any books of making things with bamboo.  I a sure I have never seen one.         I will through in this piece of advice from experience.  Do NOT try to blast a driveway through a bamboo hedge with explosives.  This is a ver bad move.         Riley

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Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree.

Try a grass.

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Fly rods!!!  Try FWW #34:68.  Hoagy B. Carmichael (Stardust’s son) wrote a great book on making them. Also, you can build scaffolding with it.  Check out building construction in Indonesia, and other SE Asian countries. mccs

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Actually, bamboo is a pretty versatile building material. My projects recently have  jinvolved making tables out of bamboo. The legs and table-top base are made using normal lengths of bamboo. The surface of the table-top is made by splitting the bamboo longitudinally to make about inch thick panels which can be nailed to the table-top base. My attempts so far have been a bit rough, but the result is not too bad. Cheers, Brendan. — C.S. Dept., James Cook University,        Phone:  (077) 815085. Townsville, QLD, 4811.  Australia.        There’s only one catch – Catch 22.

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree. Darryl Hayashida

There is almost nothing you can’t make out of bamboo.  It’s a whole technology all by itself.  You should be able to find several good books in your library. Miles Hollister

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Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree.

It is indeed not a tree, but I believe you meant that it is a grass, not that it is a plant (which is of course true.) The fact that it is a grass accounts for the strange chambered structure, as well as its astonishing growth rate. (I read these things in a recent industrial design magazine discussing bamboo’s usefulness, growth worldwide. Sorry, don’t remember the title.) Karl

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I have recently moved to Sydney (Australia) and would love to hear where there is good flyfishing reasonably close by (eg: up to half a day’s drive away). I would appreciate hearing other fisho’s thoughts. Thanks! Mat

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I have recently moved to Sydney (Australia) and would love to hear where there is good flyfishing reasonably close by (eg: up to half a day’s drive away). I would appreciate hearing other fisho’s thoughts. Thanks! Mat

G’day Mat, You should have a go at Lithgow (Lyell dam), Wallerawang (Lake Wallace), Mudgee (Windamere dam) or best of all Oberon (Oberon dam). These are all reasonably close to Sydney out via the Great Western Hwy. If fishing in lakes is not your style, I believe that there is some good ffishing in the Coxs & Turon Rivers (as well as the many other creeks and rivers in the area) – but I haven’t tried these, yet. Phil

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I am planning a flyfishing trip to the Bighorn River in the Fort Smith area in September. I have been told by a friend that the river is usually overloaded with boats and fishermen during the summer and early fall resulting in unproductive and tough fishing conditions on this stretch of the river. Is this true? Would appreciate any information on this matter. Thanks

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I am planning a flyfishing trip to the Bighorn River in the Fort Smith area in September. I have been told by a friend that the river is usually overloaded with boats and fishermen during the summer and early fall

quite true. resulting in unproductive and tough fishing conditions on this stretch of the river.

quite false.  The fishing is somewhat technical.  You have to match the hatches, but the local fly shops can tell you what’s going on, and I wouldn’t call the fishing "unproductive."  The main thing that’s "tough" about it is competing with hundreds of other anglers for the good holes. — -Wayne Trzyna

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I bought a vest from an outfit in Montana called Goldeneye.  I got their shortie vest.  Supplex material, many pockets, YKK zippers, etc.

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I bought a vest from an outfit in Montana called Goldeneye.  I got their shortie vest.  Supplex material, many pockets, YKK zippers, etc.

I got something pretty cool for Christmas.  It’s made by  Liegh, and is a kind of non-vest.  Two pouches, like fanny packs front and rear held on by a harness.  It seems to hold quite a bit of gear, and include two water bottles in easy to get to holders.  Has a nice net loder as well.  I haven’t gone out with it, but I’m certain I’ll like it.  I think it goes in the $50.00 range, and comes in several colors.  I hope this helps, and this posting doesn’t screw things on this thread up too much. Chaz

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caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ao665 Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 28 Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

Several stores are having sales at his time of year.  I just found two local stores that were selling Patagonia vests for 40% off.  I got the vertical vest for only $60.00.  It’s a great vest, much better than the Orvis Tac-L-Pak which is already ripping apart after only 2 months of use (I am going to try to see if Orvis will take it back).  My girlfriend also found a good deal by going to the Columbia Clothing Outlet store where she found a "Henry’s Fork" vest for $30.00.  This is also much higher quality than the Orvis. Good luck. – Steve

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Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

My wife bought me an LL Bean Guide vest ($55 US).  It is made of a fairly light fabric, but it is 65% polyester/35%cotton so it should endure.  (The catalogue says it is 65% cotton but the label says that polester predominates.)  Because of the high polyester content it dries quickly. It does not have a high tech collar like an Orvis Tac-L-Pak, but it is comfortable anyway. It has lots of pockets.  The small ones beside your navel will hold a 3X5X1.5 inch box.  The little one on the right chest pocket will hol a nymph wallet.  The one I like best, though, is the big gusseted cargo pouch on the back.  It is just like the game pouch on my grouse vest.  It is very handy for carrying water, sanwiches, and a raincoat.  It is big enough that I can stuff my landing net in there while I bust through the alders. Don’t you wish you had a wife like mine? Keep your stick on the ice. Thos.

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Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

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Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

A friend has one from Cabellas and likes it.  In general, get one with more pockets than you think you can use — at some point, you’ll be glad you have them!  Its hard via the mail, but watch out for thin fabric and low-quality workmanship.  Return it if you think it won’t hold up.  Both Cabellas and Bean are real good about exchanges or refunds if you’re not happy. Enjoy, Nat Davis

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not an expert on Redfish, but I have fished for them with flies in  Tampa Bay, and I have a good friend who even catches them there that way. The fundamental secret is sinking line.  Redfish are downlooking feeders. They like shrimp, shrimp dive for the bottom when they see predators.  If  you can make a shrimp imitation head for the bottom on the retrieve, you   should have some success.  I understand  that green and white Lefty’s  Deceivers and Clouser innows are pretty good too.  Good luck, I did throw a line at some enormous RF there in Tampa Bay, and  the ones my boatmates caught on bait were quite a handful (18-25#). Crashjibe

Get the August/September issue of Fly Fishing Saltwater.  One of the articles is Florida’s Indian River Lagoon. The Indian river is on the East coast of Florida rather than the west coast where Tampa, but Jon Cave, the author talks extensively about catching redfish and trout.  I am also taking a fly fihsing course from him this weekend.  His favorite is a deerhair surface popper.  He also suggests streamer flies, and bendbacks.  Clouser deep minnows and keel-hook flies are recommended.  Use a 7 to 9 weight system and a floating line for most situations.  Reds like surface disturbances and noise. From my own experience, if you can get something flashy and something that rattles, a red will strike it no matter where it is.  They will get surface flies as well as deep water flies. Good luck!

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish my Father-in-law is takeing on cut bait!  I know that they don’t see well, and I know that fly’s don’t have much of a stink to them???  I am a newbie to fly fishing…any and all help would be very much appreciated!

Starting from the surface and working to the bottom: Floater — Pencil poppers – white or yellow with red head. Slow sinker — SeaDucers – same colors. Medium sinker — Lefty’s Deceivers or Blondes. Faster sinker — Bendbacks, deceivers and blondes with bead chain eyes. Bottom bouncers — Clouser minnows and larger crazy charlies. Check with the locals on what is hot the days you are there.

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I’m not an expert on Redfish, but I have fished for them with flies in Tampa Bay, and I have a good friend who even catches them there that way. The fundamental secret is sinking line.  Redfish are downlooking feeders. They like shrimp, shrimp dive for the bottom when they see predators.  If you can make a shrimp imitation head for the bottom on the retrieve, you should have some success.  I understand  that green and white Lefty’s Deceivers and Clouser innows are pretty good too. Good luck, I did throw a line at some enormous RF there in Tampa Bay, and the ones my boatmates caught on bait were quite a handful (18-25#). Crashjibe

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish — deleted Thanks…Craig.

I plan a trip in Jan and my info says Clouser minnows, both with and without bead head eyes in green/white.  I ‘ll try some pink/biege for shrimp imitatisons too.  They are easy to tie.  Crazy Charlies have a body wrap that I can’t identify so I will buy them or tie there.  Anyone have a quickie crab pattern?

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish my Father-in-law is takeing on cut bait!  I know that they don’t see well, and I know that fly’s don’t have much of a stink to them???  I am a newbie to fly fishing…any and all help would be very much appreciated! Thanks…Craig. —              "Sometimes you get shown the Light,               in the strangest places if you look at right"

   I seem to remember a "shrimp" pattern as being reasonably successful…    But it’s been quite a while and I was fishing in the marshes of south    Louisiana (Lafitte, etc.).    Hap —                 <<<<< OMNIA EXTARES                              

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish my Father-in-law is takeing on cut bait!  I know that they don’t see well, and I know that fly’s don’t have much of a stink to them???  I am a newbie to fly fishing…any and all help would be very much appreciated! Thanks…Craig. —               "Sometimes you get shown the Light,                in the strangest places if you look at right"

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