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I’m going to fishing Kolob Res. next week.  Any recent fishing reports and/or fly recommendations anyone care to pass on? Thanks, Eric

Though I’ve not been there this year, my family still lives in Virgin and Kolob is one of my "home" waters.  Its best fished this time of year from a float tube.  Remember, its gonna be cold up there, so put on the extra layers. I like to "troll" a big dragonfly nymph in the north end of the lake, near were the creek comes in.  The water is shallower there and will warm faster. Also, chironomids patterns can be successful near shore. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I’m going to fishing Kolob Res. next week.  Any recent fishing reports and/or fly recommendations anyone care to pass on? Also, I will be up around the east of the South Slope of the Uintah Mountains (Uintah River) next week as well.  I’d appreciate fly recommendations on the streams and high lakes (Paradise, Pachetta) that you might have. Thanks, Eric

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That’s awesome I used to steal signs every weekend. There wasn’t much else to do in the small town I grew up in. That brings back a lot of fond memories. Crawling out the window after mom went to bed. Pockets stuffed with wrenches and a pint of cheap bourbon. Creeping down the street in my buddy’s van, looking for the next good sign. Those were some fun nights. One weekend we harvested enough signage to get an article written about us in the local paper. We thought we were master criminals. I’ve retired from sign stealing, but it still crosses my mind sometimes. When I first moved here, about four years ago, I found a street called "Pope Lick Road" out in the boonies. I almost came out of retirement for that one. -monkeyman

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This would imply to me that regulations that were not readily enforceable, would still be followed by the majority of anglers. I would personally like to see "regulations" of this type used to reduce over crowding.

Yep. As long as the "regulations" don’t get too onerous, I think most flyfishers would follow them on an honor system. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve been fishing for forty five years. During my childhood and teens, I fished throughout the Midwest and Canada.  For the last 25 years, I’ve lived in Colorado and have fished most of the Rocky Mt.. area. I’ve only been asked to show my fishing license twice in my whole live. I’ve never had an officer ask to see what fish I had kept or see if my fly was barbless in barbless water or ……. Either I’m the luckiest guy in the world or there are extremely few DOW officers around that are enforcing regulations. On the other hand, I’ve only seen a few people fishing or keeping fish in violation of regulations. It seems that our regulations are personally enforced or enforced by the presence of other anglers. My experience is that the vast majority of anglers follow regulations even without the threat of enforcement from the legal system. This would imply to me that regulations that were not readily enforceable, would still be followed by the majority of anglers. I would personally like to see "regulations" of this type used to reduce over crowding.

I’ll concur.  In approx 26 years of fishing I’ve only been checked twice.  Actually, come to think of it, I need to take out some of those years since I was too young to need a license (sheesh, drops that number to 13 years).  Anyway, neither here nor there.  Personally I’ve seen a LOT of anglers who don’t follow regulations, but it’s almost exclusively been on the put-n-take waters and sorry to say it, but it’s almost always been those fishing with bait and filling freezers. I think unenforceable regulations are followed in direct proportion to how much people believe in the rationale behind the regulation and the chances of them getting caught.  Don’t see this being of much use for overcrowding. Just throwing something out here, but has anyone thought about maybe making multiple access points to popular waters?  I’ve never fished ANY moving water where I’ve felt even remotely crowded so I’m just guessing here.  Is there limited access?  Just me, but I can’t see why anyone would purposely fish as close together as some of you seem to imply. Just curious,      - Ken — ET1 – Evil Twin #1 "Guilt replaced the fun" – ROFF-Tim "Ethical conduct is purely a personal thing, and the only  arbiter of personal ethics is your own conscience."  - Mike Connor

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  I would tend to believe that most _fishermen_ would follow the rules. This would imply to me that regulations that were not readily enforceable, would still be followed by the majority of anglers. I would personally like to see "regulations" of this type used to reduce over crowding. Yep. As long as the "regulations" don’t get too onerous, I think most flyfishers would follow them on an honor system.

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This would imply to me that regulations that were not readily enforceable, would still be followed by the majority of anglers. I would personally like to see "regulations" of this type used to reduce over crowding. Yep. As long as the "regulations" don’t get too onerous, I think most flyfishers would follow them on an honor system.

Well, what’s so onerous about "use some common sense, please?"  You’re too trusting, I fear.  The true sportspersons will act properly, and don’t need laws/regs, but mere suggestions and education, but the bozos will act like bozos, and the laws/regs are needed to keep them from destroying everything, even if through sheer ignorance rather than maliciousness or greed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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While completely nekkid, William Loehman/Susan Schwarz Either I’m the luckiest guy in the world or there are extremely few DOW officers around that are enforcing regulations.

It’s probably the latter. The DOW’s enforcement people are called District Wildlife Managers. Technically, they’re peace officers[1] and are required to be certified as same, but they typically spend less than 30% of their rime on law enforcement. The other 70%-plus is spent on other wildlife management tasks. [1] Under the criminal code, they’re Peace Officers, Level II. That’s the same level as agents of other regulatory agencies like Gaming, Alcohol, Parole, Corrections, etc. That means that they’re not allowed to carry concealed weapons when they’re not on duty. "They conferred, as against the Government, the right to be let alone — the most comprehensive of rights…" -Justice Louis Brandeis

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – District Wildlife Managers. Technically, they’re peace officers[1] and are required to be certified as same, but they typically spend less than 30% of their rime on law enforcement. The other 70%-plus is spent on other wildlife management tasks. [1] Under the criminal code, they’re Peace Officers, Level II. That’s the same level as agents of other regulatory agencies like Gaming, Alcohol, Parole, Corrections, etc. That means that they’re not allowed to carry concealed weapons when they’re not on duty. "They conferred, as against the Government, the right to be let alone — the most comprehensive of rights…" -Justice Louis Brandeis

You must live in a strange part of Texas…Maybe we should have not given so much of the state away. Around here they are called game wardens and even the Texas Rangers are jealous of the power of a game warden. There is not a law enforcement officer in the state with more power. Unfortunately, very few game theives spend many years in prison even when caught. Their fines are seldom over the cost of a house, and few even have their pickups consficated as they should be. Big Dale – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You must live in a strange part of Texas…

I’m not in any part of Texas.  I couldn’t have been that bad in my previous life. Maybe we should have not given so much of the state away. Around here they are called game wardens and even the Texas Rangers are jealous of the power of a game warden. There is not a law enforcement officer in the state with more power.

They’ve got a fair bit of power here. More than I’ve got, and I’m a real live Peace Officer, Level I just like the city cops and CSP and CBI. The only difference is that I make less, can’t enter private property without PC, warrant, or exigency, and I get to wear my gun home at night if I feel like it. Unfortunately, very few game theives spend many years in prison even when caught. Their fines are seldom over the cost of a house, and few even have their pickups consficated as they should be.

It gets worse. There was a waterfowl-poaching case that the USFWS took a few years ago. The plea agreement was for forfeiture of all firearms and vehicles used, plus five digits in fines and a few months in prison. Even the defense bought it. Then the judge knocked the fines down to three digits, wiped out half of the forfeitures, and suspended the sentence. It’s good to know that damage to our common resources is taken seriously by the Federal district judges. (This was a judge in TX, but I’m not sure which district, etc.) "They conferred, as against the Government, the right to be let alone — the most comprehensive of rights…" -Justice Louis Brandeis

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–                                                       -dnc- ET1 wrote …  Personally I’ve seen a LOT of anglers who don’t follow regulations, but it’s almost exclusively been on the put-n-take waters and sorry to say it, but it’s almost always been those fishing with bait and filling freezers.

That’s consistent with what I’ve seen over the years too.  Most poaching I’ve witnessed was in areas where people already had the legal right to take a hefty number of fish. Hmmm.  I wonder how the poached dead fish statistics compare to number of released fish killed? I think unenforceable regulations are followed in direct proportion to how much people believe in the rationale behind the regulation and the chances of them getting caught.  Don’t see this being of much use for overcrowding. Just throwing something out here, but has anyone thought about maybe making multiple access points to popular waters?  I’ve never fished ANY moving water where I’ve felt even remotely crowded so I’m just guessing here.  Is there limited access?  Just me, but I can’t see why anyone would purposely fish as close together as some of you seem to imply.

I don’t like the idea of increasing access.  While I think all public lands should be open to everyone, remoteness still has a value in protecting some resources from overuse.

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and vehicles used, plus five digits in fines and a few months in prison. Even the defense bought it. Then the judge knocked the fines down to three digits, wiped out half of the forfeitures, and suspended the sentence.

Sounds like the plea agreement was on the right track, except I think there must have been a typo as it came out a few months in prison when it should have been a few years. Then the judge went and screwed it up. Big Dale

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Just throwing something out here, but has anyone thought about maybe making multiple access points to popular waters?  I’ve never fished ANY moving water where I’ve felt even remotely crowded so I’m just guessing here.  Is there limited access?  Just me, but I can’t see why anyone would purposely fish as close together as some of you seem to imply. I don’t like the idea of increasing access.  While I think all public lands should be open to everyone, remoteness still has a value in protecting some resources from overuse.

I’m mostly just curious.  I’ve never fished moving water where I felt crowded.  If there are more people fishing than I felt comfortable with, I just start walking.  Just for my own understanding I’d like to know why the horror stories exist.  If some people don’t mind fishing in a crowd that’s fine by me, but I’ve never had trouble finding a remote spot within a reasonable walking distance. Later,      - Ken — ET1 – Evil Twin #1 "Guilt replaced the fun" – ROFF-Tim "Ethical conduct is purely a personal thing, and the only  arbiter of personal ethics is your own conscience."  - Mike Connor

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I’m mostly just curious.  I’ve never fished moving water where I felt crowded.  If there are more people fishing than I felt comfortable with, I just start walking.  Just for my own understanding I’d like to know why the horror stories exist.  If some people don’t mind fishing in a crowd that’s fine by me, but I’ve never had trouble finding a remote spot within a reasonable walking distance.

Here in Wisconsin there are very few places left more than a mile from the nearest road.  The vast majority of the land here is considerably less.  Each fishing season northern Illinois (which includes Chicago for the geographically challenged) and eastern Minnesota (Minneapolis, St Paul) disgorge their teeming millions upon our fair waters.. Lots of other folks come from all over the place.    I dare say there are few places in America that get pounded as hard as our fair state.  Naturally, this results in some very crowded conditions in some places.  But despite all this, I have never had any trouble finding a place to fish in solitude when I wanted to.  I think the trouble some people have with this one Ken is that they haven’t mastered the rules for finding out of the way spots, and so: 1.  Find out where everybody goes. 2.  Go someplace else.                                      

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Let’s look at it another way.. is there anything inherently wrong with unenforceable regulations?

Inherently wrong? Of course there is. If there is not a reasonable degree of enforcement the laws will be ignored. You are talking about a law that would require an observer (or team of observers) to watch you fish all day and count your catch, as opposed to a policeman seeing you run a stop sign. — Charlie…

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George Adams wrote Count me among those who are likely to puke if one more unenforcable, or unenforced, law is passed.

I propose an law whereby it’s illegal to puke. <g —                                                       -dnc-

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I do agree that most people do behave responsibly.. but for those who want to be responsible C&R’ers, what do they have to go on?  Shouldn’t there be some guidelines at least?

I don’t have a problem with published guidelines, but passing laws that you know can’t be enforced simply to establish those guidelines is worse than just wrong. — Charlie…

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Let’s look at it another way.. is there anything inherently wrong with unenforceable regulations? One parallel is traffic laws.. so why do traffic laws work?  The potential of catching stop sign runners is so extremely low, but most people stop.  So then.. is it the threat of enforcement, or is it because we all realize it would be chaos if we didn’t follow the rules? I’ve said this before, but aside from the most popular fishing spots, take limits are also pretty unenforceable.  There are just too few fish & game officers to make the threat of being caught real.  Yet, it seems most people do follow the rules. Take limits are enforceable regulations, he is talking about implementing unenforceable ones. — Charlie…

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I do agree that most people do behave responsibly.. but for those who want to be responsible C&R’ers, what do they have to go on?  Shouldn’t there be some guidelines at least? -Mark But I think we’ve already shown that we cannot be trusted to self-police. That’s why we need take limits. Who is this we and where have you shown yourselves to be irresponsible with respect to fishing? BTW, count me among the people who believe that regulations do not need to be enforceable to be respected by the majority. The majority who don’t behave responsibly unless they are told to? — Charlie…

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I was fishing a week ago and was checked twice.  When the fist warden came through, he checked my licence out and we talked for a minute or two about the area and what DNR is doing.  He then walked over to where two other fisherman were fishing about 50-60 yards away.  It didn’t take much time for the warden to pull out his pad and start writing something on a piece of paper.  The warden handed the paper to the two fisherman and then the fisherman left.  These two fisherman were sitting there the entire time that the warden and I were talking and could have easily seen the game warden and left, but they didn’t.  I don’t know what makes some people so stupid. A third group of people moved in fairly close to where I was throwing the fly.  In fact, they were too close for my liking.  I was just about ready walkaway when the  second game warden came through.  The warden checked out my licence and we had a short talk about the area.  He then went to the other group of people.  I was close enough to hear the warden ask for their licence and then tell them, "you need a licence to fish."  Obviously, they didn’t have a licence.  The warden gave them a warning and walked away.  He didn’t even ask them to stop fishing. When I walked back to my car at the end of the day, passing the original spot, these fisherman were still fishing.  It was hard for me to understand why the warden wouldn’t make these creeps stop fishing. Earlier in the year, I saw a group of people collecting, I will not say fishing, fish with a cast net. They had several buckets with about 40 fish in them.  I was so upset, I went to a park ranger and they did nothing.  This was a put-and-take area.  I then called the DNR and they set out to check on the poachers.  The poachers were gone when they arrived.  DNR told me that they could nothing unless the offenders could be caught.  They also told me that the park ranger should have stopped and cited the poachers.  They also told me that this problem with the park rangers in not uncommon in this area.  The park rangers want to concentrate on people management not wildlife management.  I’m still upset about that situation. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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The majority who don’t behave responsibly unless they are told to? — Charlie… I personally have no idea what an appropriate take limit should be for specific fish in a specific area.  I don’t think that the average fisherman does either.  I need to know what the limit is in order to behave responsibly.  Making it a law gives the authorities a means of punishing those that are grossly irresponsible.

Take limits are enforceable regulations, he is talking about implementing unenforceable ones. — Charlie…

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 ……. Either I’m the luckiest guy in the world or there are extremely few DOW officers around that are enforcing regulations.

I have only been checked once in my (considerably shorter) life, but I think that it is safe to say that it is cheaper to fish without a license all the time and pay the fines when you get checked than to buy a license every year. The time I got checked I was following all fishing regulations, but I had to hide my beer in a hurry, since I was only 16 at the time. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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The majority who don’t behave responsibly unless they are told to? — Charlie…

I personally have no idea what an appropriate take limit should be for specific fish in a specific area.  I don’t think that the average fisherman does either.  I need to know what the limit is in order to behave responsibly.  Making it a law gives the authorities a means of punishing those that are grossly irresponsible. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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BTW, count me among the people who believe that regulations do not need to be enforceable to be respected by the majority.

Count me among those who are likely to puke if one more unenforcable, or unenforced, law is passed. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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But I think we’ve already shown that we cannot be trusted to self-police. That’s why we need take limits.

Who is this we and where have you shown yourselves to be irresponsible with respect to fishing? BTW, count me among the people who believe that regulations do not need to be enforceable to be respected by the majority.

The majority who don’t behave responsibly unless they are told to? — Charlie…

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But I think we’ve already shown that we cannot be trusted to self-police. That’s why we need take limits. BTW, count me among the people who believe that regulations do not need to be enforceable to be respected by the majority. Well, what’s so onerous about "use some common sense, please?"  You’re too trusting, I fear.  The true sportspersons will act properly, and don’t need laws/regs, but mere suggestions and education, but the bozos will act like bozos, and the laws/regs are needed to keep them from destroying everything, even if through sheer ignorance rather than maliciousness or greed. —

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Naturally, this results in some very crowded conditions in some places.  But despite all this, I have never had any trouble finding a place to fish in solitude when I wanted to.  I think the trouble some people have with this one Ken is that they haven’t mastered the rules for finding out of the way spots, and so: 1.  Find out where everybody goes. 2.  Go someplace else.                                      

That’s not the problem I have with over crowding. Especially on streams and rivers, I just think that the extreme over crowding that happens in our "famous" waters, is very disrespectful and harmful to the resource and shouldn’t be allowed. I’m no different than you. I find places that others don’t fish. I fished for Wisconsin stream trout for the first time last Fall and found a place where I didn’t come across any other anglers in full day of fishing. Very nice! Willi

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I’ve been fishing for forty five years. During my childhood and teens, I fished throughout the Midwest and Canada.  For the last 25 years, I’ve lived in Colorado and have fished most of the Rocky Mt.. area. I’ve only been asked to show my fishing license twice in my whole live. I’ve never had an officer ask to see what fish I had kept or see if my fly was barbless in barbless water or ……. Either I’m the luckiest guy in the world or there are extremely few DOW officers around that are enforcing regulations. On the other hand, I’ve only seen a few people fishing or keeping fish in violation of regulations. It seems that our regulations are personally enforced or enforced by the presence of other anglers. My experience is that the vast majority of anglers follow regulations even without the threat of enforcement from the legal system. This would imply to me that regulations that were not readily enforceable, would still be followed by the majority of anglers. I would personally like to see "regulations" of this type used to reduce over crowding. Willi

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   He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

Hey dino:   My wifes weapon of choice for deer is my formerly pristeen Toyota Pick-up truck! And why does somebody named Tamela have a wife??????? — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30. The last one I got was at 50 yards from home — in between the house and the shop.  I got him at blank point range with a model 94 Ford Ranger.  Bambi Jerky, yum yum To alleviate that problemn I’ve moved to the residential airpark and my new shop (i.e., hangar) is right outside my back door.

John, I generally recommend something that uses less expensive projectiles! HF

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor…. Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB    He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

Mine is an aging Winchester chambered for 45-70.  It has been in the family since it was new.  It is a little short for BWB’s sniper hunting, but it is the absolute ticket for brush popping the darn critturs. HF

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She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30.

The last one I got was at 50 yards from home — in between the house and the shop.  I got him at blank point range with a model 94 Ford Ranger.  Bambi Jerky, yum yum To alleviate that problemn I’ve moved to the residential airpark and my new shop (i.e., hangar) is right outside my back door. – John Ousterhout – Cessna driver, Flybaby builder, RV Wantabe

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor…. Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

   He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

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Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)

Just a minor correction there Carl,it was the "Warsaw left handed Thumbsitting act of 1987" to be exact. It was authored by Stanislaw Podgorski who also authored the "Right foot in Mouth Act of 1982" and the "It’s not Sex,but an inapporiate Act, Act of 1998" often cited by bill clinton… Just a minor detail. Chuck(Polish Historian)Slusarczyk..author of the "He’s not Crazy he’s Nuts act of 1997.

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Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)  – Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

Just one of many "acts" I’ve heard you are so intimately familiar with. And I don’t care if you like it or not, you’re still my Good Buddy, John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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Carl, FYI, I currently own four

Thats 4 POS scouts for those of you not keeping track  (that’s the same number of fingers you have left on your hand including your thumb since you lost that one in the barrel of BWB’s gun a while back you dimwit)

Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)   — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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Ahh!  You got it right John.  Carl is a crybaby.  I may have shot that buck from 700 yards.  It gets longer everyday that I think about it. What really griped me was Carl giving credit to Twyla.  Shit, she just sat, smoked Camels and bitched the whole time about Tommy Cooper.  I have no idea what her problem was.  

She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30. And I shot it in the head because you can’t eat the damm horns anyway. She was mad because I looked that Bambi in its sad eyes and KILLED IT ANYWAY. Miss Geeter thought for that fleeting moment I had a colder heart that she did but we all know that’s impossible. Tom "I might just use a 12 Ga. this year" Cooper

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

No not unsporting, but bake ‘em first and it will be considered tasty. Tom "here we go talking about food again" Cooper

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Yah – so whats your point??????

Py Yimmeny, Mister Johansson, if YOU can go fishing,  I can go fishing! HF

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

We currently have a crew of engineers working out the mounting points and the loading system for installation on a Mooney for rec.aviation flyin at Pink Knee in 1999.  We plan to usher in the millenium with a proper celebration.  All of the millenia. Since we have many programmers in the group, and programmers always start counting with "zero" their millenia is 2000.  For everyone else, who start counting with "one," the mellenia is 2001.  However, Arther C. Clarke already usurped that one. HF

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Ahh!  You got it right John.  Carl is a crybaby.  I may have shot that buck from 700 yards.  It gets longer everyday that I think about it. What really griped me was Carl giving credit to Twyla.  Shit, she just sat, smoked Camels and bitched the whole time about Tommy Cooper.  I have no idea what her problem was.  You know, she just turned 94.  I guess when you are that old it’s impossible to reason with you.  She was ranting and raving that she made some deal with God that she can’t die until Carl, Me, Tommy, Tony,  Chuck and O’ring are in our graves.   We made the old bag sleep outside in a tent both nights that she was there.  One night it rained like hell.  I could hear her praying while we were in the RV with our heater on  in nice, warm and soft beds.  I thought to myself.  To Hell with you.  You old bag.  I’m glad to see you suffer, you old decrepit piece of crap.  The next day she came in for a shower and she was soaked to the bone.  Serves the old bag right I say. BWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -PS:  Nice shot Bill.  I notice there were nothing but excuses from old Carl here.  God what a whining baby.

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor….

Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

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Badwater Bill wrote Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

The Real Truth about the hunting trip: BWB lurks in the shadows of the ridge mumbling softly to himself.  "I’ll get them this time.  Them Turks, they’re after me.  They’ve been after me for a long time but I’ll get them this time." Poor innocent Bambi strolls through his valley not far from where he was born, looking for nothing more than a tuff of dry grass in the late season. BWB sees the movement and says "There they are!  The Turks!  And they’re in disguise again!" BLAM!! Bambi’s blood stained body is thrown against a tree and the last thing he sees as the light fades from his eyes is a madman running down from the ridge screaming "I GOT THEM!  I GOT THEM!" Can nothing stop this maniac?  Who or what will he hit next?  Look forward to the next exciting episode of: "Let’s Go Hunting This Weekend.or I’m Going Settle This Suit One Way Or The Other" Rich Isakson

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Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.  

Some lady asked me the other day as I got out of my truck dressed in my camo hunting outfit,"How could you kill a deer?" I said with a bow ,shotgun, muzzleloader(no not the drinking kind) or pistol. She then said"why do you do that?,don’t you like deer?" I said ,yes ma’am, I like ‘em… baked, fried, BBQ’ed, Roasted, made into sausage, cooked on a grill, made into spaghetti, chili,stew,…… She just shook her head in disgust walked away and went into Mac Dee to eat something someone else killed….Go figure… Chuck(my biggest was a 180# heavy rack 10 pt.)Slusarczyk PS Besides Bambi, I eat Porky Pig,Henny Penny,Mother Goose,Bugs Bunny,    Bossie the Cow and the rest .If God didn’t want me to eat’em He wouldn’t    have made ‘em taste good.

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HF, With Carl on the operating end of the weapon, Bambi can sleep secure. John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Shame, shame, shame. HF

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I’ve been nuts for at least 30 years that I’m aware of.  I actually think that O’ring drove me nuts because of my close contact with him for many years.

Denying any mental illness is itself a symptom of mental illness (see Zoom paradox no. 1).  Conversely if you claim that you’re nuts, you probably aren’t. I’ve met O’Ring and he seems quite normal to me.  Fortunately for O’Ring, being exposed (literally) to you hasn’t harmed him. Carl Johannson is of the same caliber as O’ring and myself.

I’ve met Carl and anyone that wears those beutiful Hawiian shirts has to be a mentally healthy person. Thank Dog, there is NO ONE else the same caliber as you. – John (44 caliber) Ousterhout –

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A whole bunch of stuff – most of which was true – some of which is now Guess what.  I got the deer… and they got skunked!!!!

We did come out of the desert with one deer (this trip – openning day we had two more, and just last night we got a big one during the muzzleloader season – no Bob not that kind of Muzzleloader!!!! But Phillips in his scotch hazed memory has forgotten the real scenario. Were out in the desert just fooling around having some fun – when up pulls this beat up old 1966 international.  (BTW Stricker I’ll put my stock Defender up against that POS scout you have any day – I used to have one-  criminy what a ride!!!) Anyway out jumps this rickity old grandma who immediately starts ranting and raving about "that miscreant Billy Phillips".  It’s Miss Geeter!!!!! She followed the scotch fumes and a trail of empty Tecate cans to find that idiot!!!! Phillips tries to hide in the luggage compartment of the motorhome but Miss Geeter smells him out – grabs him by the ear and pulls him out of there (as we sit doubled over in laughter). Anyway Miss Geeter sits there by the fire with us – she’s smoking filterless camels and belching like a sailor, and tells us that the only failure she has ever encountered in her life is not being able to teach (or more correctly train) BWB anything of any value.  So now she has decided in a last ditch attempt to  teach Bedwetter Billy (as she calls him) anything at all, she figures she may be able to reach him through this hunting stuff. So we drop old BWB and Miss Geeter in the "badlands" the next morning. Turns out we put the SOB right in the middle of the action, as almost immediately this tiny – really stupid buck, full of testosterone, and no common sense pops up 25 yards in front of BWB and begs to be shot. I’m sitting up on top of the hill watching the soap opera unfold. So BWB attempts to put this deer in his sights and the gun barrel is moving around like a bamboo in a hurricane.  Suddenly Miss Geeter loses patience with Phillips and grabs the gun from him.  Phillips shrinks down into a fetal sitting position hiding behind a Joshua tree, shaking like a leaf and sucking his thumb!! So Geeter drops the hammer on the deer, and Phillips flinches like a nuclear bomb went off in his shorts.  Then he gets on the radio and starts crowing about how HE "got him –  he’s huge – 4 point".  turns out to be a little forky – and Phillips was cowering behind the tree while that Geeter Chick did the dirty work. Way to go Geeter Baby!!!!! This as you all know is the true story of BWB’s suposedly sucessfull deer hunt!!!!!! Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.   Shame, shame, shame. HF

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.

Yah – so whats your point?????? Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Shame, shame, shame. HF

Hear, Hear Yoram Leshinski

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Carl, While your most of your story is certainly believable and I heartily accept as the truth, there is one issue that I simply must address. Were out in the desert just fooling around having some fun – when up pulls this beat up old 1966 international.  (BTW Stricker I’ll put my stock Defender up against that POS scout you have any day – I used to have one-  criminy what a ride!!!)

FYI, I currently own four (that’s the same number of fingers you have left on your hand including your thumb since you lost that one in the barrel of BWB’s gun a while back you dimwit) (4) of these fine specimens of American Truck production.  Even the sorriest of the lot would be more than up to the task of defending it’s name against your baseless charges you wuss. And if by some miracle of divine intervention, they should fail, out comes the S1700.  And if IT fails in totally destroying whatever that junk example you drive, I’ll dolly up the semi trailer and finish you off with the CO9670 and 435 hp Detroit. However, I’m quite sure that it won’t come to that, as I don’t expect you to ever make good on your feeble claims of superiority.  Obviously, anyone that "used to have one" and got rid of it is at least half a bubble out of plumb. John "Give me 392cid of 1000# American Iron for an engine any day" Stricker PS:  Nice shot Bill.  I notice there were nothing but excuses from old Carl here.  God what a whining baby. — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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I think the people who build and fly their own airplanes are for the most part nuts.  I’ve been nuts for at least 30 years that I’m aware of.  I actually think that O’ring drove me nuts because of my close contact with him for many years.  I was hanging on to certain threads of reality when I met him in 1972.  He’s a chemist by trade and everyone knows that chemists are nuts from birth.  I tried to remain calm and focused as a young physicist working in the same lab that housed O’ring.  But, as time went on and my association with him became closer he drove me over the edge.   Carl Johannson is of the same caliber as O’ring and myself.  Unlike me, however, he was probably was born nuts.  I notice no transition period in his life that caused him to become what he is.  I think he was always crazy.  For instance, he trained for decades to be an Olympian.  He did nothing but work out 8 hours each day for the Olympics, totally focused, totally committed, totally obsessed. Carl is strange in his own kind of way.  He told me a year ago, "Phillips, you come to Utah and I’ll take you fishing.  You WILL catch fish and you will catch a lot of fish in a short period of time."  I retaliated, "Gonzo, you’re full of crap.  I never catch fish unless I fish in the ocean."  Gonzo says, "Yeah, sure, you come to Utah and we’ll not only catch fish, we’ll catch enough fish in one afternoon to feed a party of ten people." Of course the only catch is that I had to walk through a river for two hours with water temps near freezing to get to an obscure canyon that no human has ever been to other than Carl.  Then if you were to try to walk up the canyon on the side of the stream you’d need a four foot machete to claw your way.  I said, "Yo Gonzo, there ain’t no way up this stream!"  Carl laughs, "You don’t walk along the side, you walk UP the stream in the center of the water.  Don’t worry about getting wet, you’ll be wet all day.  We need to cast into the ponds above us as we go. That’s where the fish are." Combat fishing is what it is.  We caught fish alright but the reason why is that no other human being would subject themselves to the torture of the environment to do it. SO!  What all this is head toward is the hunting trip we just took last weekend.  Here’s the Johannson thought process.  Last December Carl asked me if I wanted to go deer hunting with him and his brother this fall.  He asked me 9 months ahead of time because I’m a fat slob and I needed to get in shape to go with them.  I said, "Sure, I’d like to go, what do I do?"  Carl’s reply was, "See that mountain behind your house there?  You have to climb that mountain at least 4 times a week for about three months to start.  Then you have to climb it quickly  for about the next three months.  Then you have to push yourself and get anaerobic for the last three months.  Don’t worry about your weight loss.  You are a fat slob anyway and you need the exercise." Well, I did just that.  I climbed that mountain at least four times a week, even in the summer.  I lost 20 pounds, my heart felt good, my sex life improved, it all came together.  Then last weekend was the big hunt.  Two weeks ago I sighted my 300 Win-Mag in to be on target at 300 meters.  That put the round about 3 inches high at 100 meters, about   1.5 inches high at 200 meters, dead on at 300 meters, 4 inches low at 400 meters and 8 inches low at 500 meters.   You have no idea what it’s like to hunt with the Johannson brothers. You get up in the dark at 04:00 and drive for an hour to get to some canyon in the middle of the desert-nowhere.  You walk up and over about three mountains in the dark until you perch on some crestline where you use your binoculars to "Glass" the valley before you, searching for a lone buck.  You sit there in 25 degree temperatures at 9000 feet looking 300 to 600 meters away.  Carl pulls out an infrared laser distance measuring device. He hits a rock on the left in the center of the valley then an outcropping across the valley and another boulder on the right.  He leans over to me in a whisper and says, "He Phillips, that rock is 323 meters, the hill over there is 450 meters and that boulder on the right is 525 meters.  Get your ballistic table out and figure the drops.  If a deer comes along, hold the sighting point appropriately.  Got it dummy!" "Got it Gonzo.  You can count on me." This is not deer hunting, it’s being a sniper!  Sniper hunting is the only way to describe it.  These guys laugh at me for carrying a 300 Win-mag while they carry 220 swifts.  They shoot 50 grain bullets at 4200 feet per second with flat ballistics, while I shoot a CANNON!  I was using 180 grain hot loads in my sniper rifle, but my ballistics aren’t bad.  That gun can shoot the ass off a gnat at 300 meters. AND

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If GOD had an airplane, it would be a C180 or C185

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Any C-180 or Maule owners out there? I’d like to buy a taildragger to put on floats during the summer for hunting/fishing/camping, and fly to more sedate destinations in the winter, such as Baja California.  I’d like to carry another passenger, camping gear, plenty of fuel, and some big game such as a caribou. Tentatively, I suspect the C-180 is the way to go, but I could go with a newer Maule by sacrificing a little performance. Any thoughts?

I’d go for the Maule every time.  It’s a solid aircraft that will go a long way towards real STOL than any Cessna.  You’d be amazed what you can do with them.  Cessna was never designed as a bush plane. —                            Nunavut, Canada

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Cessna was never designed as a bush plane. —                            Nunavut, Canada

So, what do you think fellow NG’rs? Too much time in the Bush for Mr.(?) Durey, or not enough? Jack —         :    :<home.earthlink.net/~baron58:                             :

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This is an old argument and should bring out the ‘bush rats’! Just compare the sqft of the wings, that has the biggest effect on load and stall speed.  Here the Cessna wins, hands down.  The Cessna will lift more weight off in a shorter distance. Known ‘bugs’ in the Cessna:     loss of roll control in X wind with full flaps     lack of dampening in spring steel gear     weak gear boxes on really ruff strips     expensive     hard to find a really clean one, lots of really used ones out there The Maule’s STOL reputation is based on performance at less than gross weights and lots of power.  Remember it started out as an adaptation of a short wing Piper.  You can fly anything with lots of power but if at gross weight plane C flys at 45 mph and plane M flys at 50 which plane need more water/dirt?  Power just gets you to the end of the water/dirt quicker! Ross – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any C-180 or Maule owners out there? I’d like to buy a taildragger to put on floats during the summer for hunting/fishing/camping, and fly to more sedate destinations in the winter, such as Baja California.  I’d like to carry another passenger, camping gear, plenty of fuel, and some big game such as a caribou. Tentatively, I suspect the C-180 is the way to go, but I could go with a newer Maule by sacrificing a little performance. Any thoughts?

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What’s a NGer?  New Guy?  That’s what we used to call a "Nugga" or "Nug" for short, back in the bad ol’ days. I think you’re forgetting airfoil.  The short fat Maule wing will fly at an alarming angle of attack.  It’s a great STOL machine, if you know how to push the envelope.  Cessna’s are too fragile to accept much pushing–I’ve seen too many wrinkled empennages and cracked fin brackets.  You drag the Maule in with power, flare with power, and stomp on the binders.  400 feet is typical for me with no wind. There’s also lots of Maules out there that have never been beat to death commercially.  There’s lots with a thousand hours or less on them total time.  They’re also half the price of a Cessna 180. Sure, it’s got a big engine, but ya gotta give Maule credit. They’ve also developed the only readily-available off-the-floor factory single-engine turbine certified for the GA market.  My 0-540 has lots of jam, but the Allison 250 C20B is twice the horsepower with half the weight.  It’s a stunning ride. What’s the power-to-weight ratio for the 180? We looked at the Helio and Wilga for here, but opted for the Maule as a simple platform, easy to work on, and easy to find and buy. Never considered the Cessna. —                            Nunavut, Canada

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…400 feet is typical for me with no wind. Sure, it’s got a big engine, but ya gotta give Maule credit. They’ve also developed the only readily-available off-the-floor factory single-engine turbine certified for the GA market.  My 0-540 has lots of jam, but the Allison 250 C20B is twice the horsepower with half the weight.  It’s a stunning ride.

Here’s a question that hasn’t been introduced to this discussion yet.  What kind of insurance do you carry on your Maule, and what’s the cost.  I’ve heard that Maule insurance is quite expensive, but I have no hard data to support this claim.  I’d like to hear the story from Maule owners. I have a 1955 Cessna 180 which I have insured for $60,000 hull and a million smooth liability, and it costs me about $1400 a year.  How does that compare with a Maule? What’s the power-to-weight ratio for the 180?

Mine is 11.33 pounds per horsepower at legal gross.  However, this figure will vary a little depending on year of manufacture, as all 180s after ‘55 had 230 HP instead of 225 like mine, and the gross weight went up a couple of times as the years went on.  The last ones had a P/W ratio of 12.17 lb/hp. Joe Norris

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I’d like to hear the story from Maule owners. I have a 1955 Cessna 180 which I have insured for $60,000 hull and a million smooth liability, and it costs me about $1400 a year.  How does that compare with a Maule?

On my 1991 Maule M-6 I have $90,000 hull and $1M/$100k liability and this year’s bill was about $1600.  Surprisingly, the rate got much better this year after AOPA Insurance and Aon merged.  I was with Aon before.                                                                 Dave

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If wing area is the reason (as stated in prior post) the Maule is inferior to the Cessna pls note that Maule has used at least three different size wings. The old Maule M-5 did have a smallish wing area (160ish sq ft.) and the plane did depend on the engine for much of its STOL performance.  There are however, two other wings offered on the M-6 and M-7 airplanes that had more wing area. The latest version of Maule has an intermediate size wing with nearly 170sq ft. In any event, it you don’t think the Maule has a large enough wing try one of their other models.

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Before you buy a C-180, or a Maule, look closely at the Helio Super Courier.  It has several features that, I think, makes it a better bush plane.  The main gear is set farther forward making it almost impossible to nose over on landing.  It has a very strong steel tube cage for the cabin which helps to protect the pilot and passengers in a crash.  Some have four tanks carring 120 gallons of gas.  I think all Helios left the factory with float fittings installed.  Most importantly, the Helio was designed from the start to go very slow under full control.  Did you know that the Helio will not stall?  In my opinion, if you can afford to own and fly one, you will have the best horizontally opposed piston engined bush plane ever produced.  There is also a turbine powered version.               Larry

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We looked at a Helio H250 after a search of several months.  All of them had 7,000 to 8,000 hours on them and had seen commercial service (read: beat to death).  An H295 that Bathurst Arctic operated out of Yellowknife on floats turned out to be a real dog. The geared engine is only good for 1200 TBO.  There’s also a lot of maintenance involved in the stabilator.  Otherwise, they’re great. I’ve seen them in the fly-by at Oshkosh literally "walking" down the runway, unbelievably slow.  Up here, with the sand and wind, we couldn’t see the leading-edge slats and Fowler flaps holding up. We regularly get 50-knot winds across the parking ramp. My insurance on the Maule is CAN$1900 hull and liability for a ‘78 M-5 worth about CAN$70,000.  With today’s drop in the Canadian dollar, that’s about US$1197.  ’Course, we don’t litigate up here at the drop of a hat for a hangnail, either, which keeps the liability costs down. —                            Nunavut, Canada

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Any C-180 or Maule owners out there? I’d like to buy a taildragger to put on floats during the summer for hunting/fishing/camping, and fly to more sedate destinations in the winter, such as Baja California.  I’d like to carry another passenger, camping gear, plenty of fuel, and some big game such as a caribou. Tentatively, I suspect the C-180 is the way to go, but I could go with a newer Maule by sacrificing a little performance. Any thoughts?

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Howdy FFers, I was planning on a 3 day float trip with an outfitter in Oregon in September with some friends.  Has anyone been on one of these trips in September?  Which river could give the best experience for some "inexperienced"  Flyfishers…

snip John I would opt for floating the Deschutes from Mack’s Canyon to the mouth.  Should be excellent steelhead fishing at that time of the year.  I highly reccommend the crew at the Fly Fishing Shop at Welches, Or.  Excellent guides and great company.  They only run three guides and two of them are the owners.   Try www.teleport.com/~flyfish/ for a description of their trips or call them at 503-622-4607.  I think they also have a 1-800 number.  800-266-3971 but have never used it so can’t swear it’s still a valid number.   No finicial relationship just a satisfied customer. Jim Jones For e-mail reply replace spam with sns Jim Jones For e-mail reply replace spam with sns

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Howdy FFers, I was planning on a 3 day float trip with an outfitter in Oregon in September with some friends.  Has anyone been on one of these trips in September?  Which river could give the best experience for some "inexperienced"  Flyfishers… Best wilderness?  Best outfit?  We could do trout, steelhead, or smallmouth for fun.   Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help, -John —        My Policy is to ALWAYS Blame the Computer

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Sorry about the previous post – I am trying to get used to posting through Netscape and I am making a lot of mistakes. My question is this :         1. When I cast, my flyline and leader go out fine, but my tippet            often lands in jumbled mess. What might I be doing wrong? I                am using a 6wt rod, DT6F line, a 9ft 5X leader, and 5X tippet              (about 18 inches). I normally use size 14 or 16 nymphs and dry            flies. Thanks in advance for any help!

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        1. When I cast, my flyline and leader go out fine, but my tippet            often lands in jumbled mess. What might I be doing wrong? I                am using a 6wt rod, DT6F line, a 9ft 5X leader, and 5X tippet              (about 18 inches). I normally use size 14 or 16 nymphs and dry  

Check that leader is straight before you cast, i.e. pull it through your fingers (or a small piece of rubber) until straight. Leader design should be 40% (of length) stiff butt, 20% floppy tippet, remainder stepping down (say 0.016" to 0.008").  If in doubt, buy famous-brand knotted leaders, e.g. Orvis.  If you knot your own, you can customize fully. Excessive forward push on the casting stroke can cause fly to bounce back on loose loops of tippet (deliberately in some fishing situations.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Sorry about the previous post – I am trying to get used to posting through Netscape and I am making a lot of mistakes. My question is this :        1. When I cast, my flyline and leader go out fine, but my tippet           often lands in jumbled mess. What might I be doing wrong? I               am using a 6wt rod, DT6F line, a 9ft 5X leader, and 5X tippet             (about 18 inches). I normally use size 14 or 16 nymphs and dry           flies. Thanks in advance for any help!

Two thoughts Jeff:         1) Try using a heavier leader, some of the tapered variety are good.             This will provide stiffness, which aids the turn over of your             tippet. You can then add your tippet to the end of the leader.             It might be a good idea to use a 5′ leader at first, they are             easier to control, when you have mastered that then progress             to the 9′ leaded.         2) With seeing you cast its difficult to offer advice but a common             fault with  many casting techniques is that the angler casts at             the water rather than at eye level. If when you cast you aim at             the water then the fly line, leader and tippet are not given             sufficent time to turn over, resulting in your line landing in a             heap on the water. If you cast aiming at the horizon or eye level             this will give time for the turn over to be completed and your             tackle to land in a straight line. I hope they might prove to be of some help for you.         Tight lines                         Chris

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These are great…very innovative, easy to use, and much safer than the conventional float tubes.  I’m not saying the conventionals are unsafe, but the Hobie is made of hard plastic pontoons that won’t puncture. They are also very comfortable and keep more of you out of the water.  Better back support than the conventional tubes, too.  The seat is sturdy and comfortable.  They look great, too!  Let me know if you have more questions.

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Has anyone had any experience with Hobie Float Cat kick boats? I am thinking of buying one and would appreciate comments. For those that don’t know… The Float Cat is a kick boat with rigid poly pontoons and aluminum frame. Thanks in advance.

I haven’t had any personal experience with the Hobie, but it raises the question:  why bother with rigid poly pontoons when you can have inflatable.  I recently purchased an 8′ kickboat made by Outcast and am extremely pleased with it.  It has PVC/polyester fabric tubes (25 oz bottoms/18 oz tops) with a clever 3 piece alumimum frame.  Whole thing breaks down to a *very* compact package and assembles in a couple of minutes (maybe 5 minutes w/ inflation).  Furthermore, fully assembled, it’s still light enough to easily transport and carry (probably 50#, with gear).  Rows beautifully – extremely fast and requires very little effort.   The main thing however is the hulls:  the PVC fabric, while rigid enough to support the frame, is also resilient enough to bounce off rocks, trees, etc.  And even if the outer hull material punctures, the air remains confined by the inner urethane bladder.  Rigid PVC is not very flexible.  I’m afraid that slamming a rock, particularly broadside could crack or hole a rigid hull (happens all the time with fiberglass drift boats).   There’s a reason inflatables dominate the river-running scene and it isn’t cost (a fully equipped 12′ raft runs about $4,000 these days): fact is their light weight and durability are nearly ideal for moving water.   -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA

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Has anyone had any experience with Hobie Float Cat kick boats? I am thinking of buying one and would appreciate comments. For those that don’t know… The Float Cat is a kick boat with rigid poly pontoons and aluminum frame. Thanks in advance. —  /// John Kleist, Colorado Climate Center, CSU, Fort Collins CO 80523   \ \        URL:http://ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu/~johnk/                ///

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Can I add to John Kliest’s request for information?  If anyone has experience using these pontoon boats on rivers, I would be interested in observations and comments.  My objective would be to use it in Montana on certain – emphasize certain – rivers to do my own floats.  On the other hand, I would prefer to live a bit longer than my current age, if only to fish, and thus am not inclined to take unecessary risks.  Thanks.                                     Mark Faulkner

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Can I add to John Kliest’s request for information?  If anyone has experience using these pontoon boats on rivers, I would be interested in observations and comments.  My objective would be to use it in Montana on certain – emphasize certain – rivers to do my own floats.  On the other hand, I would prefer to live a bit longer than my current age, if only to fish, and thus am not inclined to take unecessary risks.  Thanks.                                    Mark Faulkner

Hi Mark, My wife and I have been using pontoon boats in Montana for the past five years. Water Otter with a rowing systme is what we currently own however there are several very good pontoon crafts on the market. We use them on the Madison, Missouri, Big Horn, Yellowstone, Big Hole, Gallatin, etc. and love them. As in any craft on the water you need to be aware of your surroundings. Under water trees, rocks, etc. can be dangerous in any kind of a boat including the pontoon boat. I’ve only had one close call in the five years and it was my fault. I had driven all night to get to the Big Horn River and decided to fish anyway. You know how it is, escaping from corporate America for a few days. I fell a sleep while floating the river and run one the pontoons up on a partly submerged rock. The rock just about turned over the boat but fortunately did not. I certainly woke up. That was a close enough call. I banked the boat and slept for a couple of hours before continuing the float. Now that I’ve been downsized out of corporate America I live in Bozeman, Montana where I work as a guide. Usually I guide customers in my drift boat but do have several client who like fishing out of the pontoon craft. The craft is also great when guiding float tubing clients because I can navigate rapidly (and with little effort) between customers to assist/instruct, etc., even if the wind is blowing. And the wind blows often in Montana. I think you will enjoy a pontoon boat. I do not own a Buck Bag pontoon boat but have operated a friend’s boat and like it a lot. I understand from Dave Corcoran at the River’s Edge here in Bozeman that the Buck’s is the best buy for the money in his opinion. If you are interested I saw they had one of the new models in stock when I stopped by yesterday. For more information you can call them at 406-586-5373. Good luck and let me know how things work out for you regarding these great boats. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I plan on flying into Bozeman, Montana on June 28th for 5 days but I may not have the capacity to travel longer distances to more well known fishing spots such as The Big Horn, etc. Can anyone assist me in finding a good couple of spots close to the Bozeman Area for some good flyfishing for trout?    Help!!!  

Is the Big Horn more reknown for flyfishing than the Madison, Gallatin, Yellowstone? All these are very close to Bozeman.  There are also the spring creeks over at Livingston.  For specifics, I encourage you to call the Montana Troutfitters Orvis Shop- (406) 587-4707.  The guys in there are very nice, very helpful, and can give you specifics on smaller areas, hatches, guides if you want them, shuttles, etc.  Good luck!

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You’ll only be an hour and 45 minutes from Yellowstone. Call Blue Ribbon Flies in West Yellowstone for suggestions that may be a little closer to Bozeman.

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I plan on flying into Bozeman, Montana on June 28th for 5 days but I may not have the capacity to travel longer distances to more well known fishing spots such as The Big Horn, etc. Can anyone assist me in finding a good couple of spots close to the Bozeman Area for some good flyfishing for trout?    Help!!!  

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writes: I plan on flying into Bozeman, Montana on June 28th for 5 days but I may not have the capacity to travel longer distances to more well known fishing spots such as The Big Horn, etc. Can anyone assist me in finding a good couple of spots close to the Bozeman Area for some good flyfishing for trout?    Help!!!  

Try the Gallatin River.

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I am planning a trip to Padre Island sometime in Sept. I want to wade and fish for RED (big red) fish and speckle trout around this area. Any recommendation on where to fish and what kind of fly to use ? I have a canoe. Should I take it with me ? Is the water in the Laguna Madre too rough for canoeing ? Thank in advance for your input, Mr T.

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Uh…return mail bounced so… The Original Message follows: Received: by universe.digex.net id AA26238 Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing In rec.outdoors.fishing you write: I am planning a trip to Padre Island sometime in Sept. I want to wade and fish for RED (big red) fish and speckle trout around this area. Any recommendation on where to fish and what kind of fly to use ? I have a canoe. Should I take it with me ? Is the water in the Laguna Madre too rough for canoeing ?

You don’t say which part of PI you’re heading to and, from your question on canoeing, I assume that you’ve never seen the bays.  So, let me give you a few (hopefully) helpful hints.  First, typically the LM is not too rough to canoe in—it’s just too darn big!  The fish have a whole bunch of area to potentially be in at any given time, so your job will be to cover some water and look for favorable conditions.  The three most important things defining “favorable” are: (1) Bait, (2) Bait, and (3) Bait.  You *must* find where the bait are: it’s no guarantee that fish are there, but if there’s no bait there will almost certainly be no fish. Secondly, I have been in situations where a flyrod would’ve been the best choice, but I feel that those situations are extremely rare and specific.  If you are wading deeper water with no algae growth and if you are searching for fish, use some other tackle choice.  OTOH, if you are in a situation where you are surrounded by feeding reds that are tailing and are in shallow flats, say up against a grass line, or are laying under some sort of algae growth (I was in such a situation 2 weeks ago in the Port O’Connor area) then by God a fly rod can be darn handy! OK, enough of that.  Back to the canoe.  If you’re not sure of the area, and I suspect that you are not, I would suggest something that will get you around better than a canoe—maybe a Jetski, or some such thing.  If you’re heading to Port Isabel, well I can offer a couple of suggestions that you can drive to (i.e. they are accessible by land) and that you can wade directly. cheers, (and good luck) john P.S. Remember: The fishing is *always* good, sometimes the *catching* is not.

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