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I know this isn’t the right group to post this on, but I’m too impatient to go through the hassle of subscribing to another newsgroup just for one (for now) question.  And a lot of you do regreational flying, so might be more familiar with this issue. I have read FAR 73 here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr73_00.html and cannot find where it describes, specifies, or even implies what sorts of areas are restricted or prohibited.  Am I missing something? This came up in a discussion at work on fishing remote lakes.  The fisherman in question thinks it’s illegal to fly in to certain remote lakes, say in designated wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, National parks, etc.  I think he’s right, but where can I see what specifically is allowed, and what areas specifically are restricted or prohibited? David

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That information is depicted graphically on the aviation charts, and temporary restrictions are published in the NOTAMS (notices to airmen). Best regards, Rob Housman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know this isn’t the right group to post this on, but I’m too impatient to go through the hassle of subscribing to another newsgroup just for one (for now) question.  And a lot of you do regreational flying, so might be more familiar with this issue. I have read FAR 73 here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr73_00.html and cannot find where it describes, specifies, or even implies what sorts of areas are restricted or prohibited.  Am I missing something? This came up in a discussion at work on fishing remote lakes.  The fisherman in question thinks it’s illegal to fly in to certain remote lakes, say in designated wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, National parks, etc.  I think he’s right, but where can I see what specifically is allowed, and what areas specifically are restricted or prohibited? David

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Check with the manageing agency for the area you want to fly into.  The BLM, Forest Service, etc.  These governmental agencies set the regs for use within their holdings.  I don’t think the FAA has an interest in your question. To partially answer though, no motorized vehicles or even bicycles are allowed in designated USFS wilderness areas.  This would include aircraft landing or taking off.  Some refuges are restricted, some aren’t, an example being some located in Alaska.  Anyway, for specific restrictions, check with the managment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know this isn’t the right group to post this on, but I’m too impatient to go through the hassle of subscribing to another newsgroup just for one (for now) question.  And a lot of you do regreational flying, so might be more familiar with this issue. I have read FAR 73 here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr73_00.html and cannot find where it describes, specifies, or even implies what sorts of areas are restricted or prohibited.  Am I missing something? This came up in a discussion at work on fishing remote lakes.  The fisherman in question thinks it’s illegal to fly in to certain remote lakes, say in designated wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, National parks, etc.  I think he’s right, but where can I see what specifically is allowed, and what areas specifically are restricted or prohibited? David

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Today I finally found the time to head up to Boone and fish for trout. It had been nearly two months since my last visit. Fortunately, I was able to bring along an ex-ROFFian celebrity guest which had the added bonus of providing Waldo a bit of motivation to join us for the day. I think I can safely speak for all of three us when I say that we had a great time. After taking care of a few errands in the area, Celebrity Guest and I met Waldo at his house at about 9:30am and headed to the Watauga. We decided to fish the delayed harvest section for a while as we waited for the sun to come out and (hopefully) bring the fish to the surface. As it turns out, the fish never did really get into the swing of taking dry flies, so we (well, those of us with no scruples anyway) were relegated to fishing with nymphs. The stockers were unusually picky and much more of a challenge than normal. Not a bad thing at all, but in the end we did manage to catch a respectable number of fish. At about noon we headed to a wild stream that has quickly become one of my very favorite places on earth to fish. The water was running high and *cold* but relatively clear. I was actually glad that I had let Celebrity Guest borrow my nice breathable waders and that I had chosen to wear my neoprene backups. We fished some absolutely stunning stretches of water. Despite the fact that I’m practically only half the age of my fishing partners, I was the only one to take a spill. I didn’t get wet, but I did manage quite a shin shiner. Once again, dry flies did not produce (although Waldo and Celebrity Guest stuck to their dry fly guns with seasoned determination) but a few fish could be had here and there in the deep pools with small Prince nymphs and a couple of–ahem–sinkers. It’s interesting how different things are at this time of year than they were last year at this time. The water is much higher and colder which has likely delayed the dry fly action by several weeks. Or maybe that has nothing to do with it; who knows. Despite the predictions of rain showers, the weather was great. An almost eery cold front pushed its way into the area right as we were breaking down our gear (at about 3:30pm) and by 4:00pm it was butt cold outside. A good day on the stream and the company was most excellent. Can’t wait to do it again… –Steve

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  Um, I need a ruling on the above: is it White Fish that he’s fucking, or is he a White Fucker who preys on fish?

Jeff preys on white fish.  What he did with them after that is still his little secret <g HTH. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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Sure, but just in a sarcastic manner…. Shut up  white fish fucker!

Um, I need a ruling on the above: is it White Fish that he’s fucking, or is he a White Fucker who preys on fish? /daytripper (Thanks in advance

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So if I designate myself as the "Best fly fisherman to ever live" will you guys start referring to me as that?

Sure, but just in a sarcastic manner….

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Sure, but just in a sarcastic manner….

Shut up  white fish fucker! — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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Ya really think Zimbo’s breathables would fit the dwarf?  

Maybe they cut one leg off of Waldo’s old waders and made him hop from boulder to boulder. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Well hell’s bells, are you going to tell us who it is? It was Vern Ursenbach.

Cool! I always thought Vern was perfectly proportioned to fish those little NC streams. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Ya really think Zimbo’s breathables would fit the dwarf?   (You wouldn’t believe how many times I had to rewrite that to avoid some sicko double-entendre.   e.g. Do you think Vern would fit in Zimbo’s

waders?) I am sure he could reside in one leg of Zimbo’s waders very comfortably <g — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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"Paul Goodwin" wrote I do believe that if he was goint to tell us he would have.    So it must have been the dwarf.

Ya really think Zimbo’s breathables would fit the dwarf?   (You wouldn’t believe how many times I had to rewrite that to avoid some sicko double-entendre.   e.g. Do you think Vern would fit in Zimbo’s waders?) Joe F.

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Charlie Wilson: "Paul Goodwin" wrote I do believe that if he was goint to tell us he would have.   So it must have been the dwarf.

<splork  But I missed the computer!!! <g Dave

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It was Vern Ursenbach. You are joking right? Hell yeah he’s joking. It was the American Sportsman.

Oh, you mean Curt Gowdy

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It was the company that I help start (The American Sportsman’s Club" OR it is "The American Sportsman’s Series" that was directed by my good friend, who recently died, Burr Smidt who lives on Manasee Road in Sarasota Florida.  He has done a lot of production works that were outstanding, especially those done with his wife, Renee’ Valenti Smidt. The American Sportsman was a popular Television Series twenty years ago. Guests included Bing Crosby, and many other Hollywood American Sportsmen.  It was THE PREMIER Outdoors Program all others try to top. None have done it to date Warren. George     Hell yeah he’s joking. It was the American Sportsman. WhoTF is the American Sportsman? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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GROSS! George was using that tag for a while last year. So if I designate myself as the "Best fly fisherman to ever live" will you guys start referring to me as that? Why does it remind me of the old saying "You can hope in one hand, crap in the other and see which one gets filled first" ?.?.?.? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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    Hell yeah he’s joking. It was the American Sportsman.

WhoTF is the American Sportsman? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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George was using that tag for a while last year. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Hell yeah he’s joking. It was the American Sportsman. WhoTF is the American Sportsman? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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George was using that tag for a while last year.

So if I designate myself as the "Best fly fisherman to ever live" will you guys start referring to me as that? Why does it remind me of the old saying "You can hope in one hand, crap in the other and see which one gets filled first" ?.?.?.? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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It was Vern Ursenbach. You are joking right?

    Hell yeah he’s joking. It was the American Sportsman.

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It was Vern Ursenbach. You are joking right?

You’ll have to ask Mr. Wilson about that… –Steve

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"Paul Goodwin" wrote I do believe that if he was goint to tell us he would have.   So it must have been the dwarf.

Somehow I doubt Mrs. Dwarf would let him roam that far. /daytripper (My money’s on wayno…)

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Well hell’s bell’s, are you going to tell us who it is?

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I do believe that if he was goint to tell us he would have.

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"Paul Goodwin" wrote I do believe that if he was goint to tell us he would have.

   So it must have been the dwarf.

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Well hell’s bells, are you going to tell us who it is?

It was Vern Ursenbach. –Steve

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It was Vern Ursenbach.

You are joking right?

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<snipped nice TR for space? Glad you had a good time.  Perhaps you can broker a deal for their extra water to help fill up our rivers and resevoirs to keep California in electricity this summer. Was Wayno the celebrity guest? <g — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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I’m looking for recommendations for Tarpon fly fishing in mid December.

Belize. Tarpon there aren’t huge (to around 100# mostly) but are plentiful. I like the Ambergris Caye area, but they got hit pretty hard by a hurricane this fall so you want to make sure they’ve got everything back up and running. — Charlie…

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I’m looking for recommendations for Tarpon fly fishing in mid December. Glen

I’ve fished Belize for Tarpon and had a great time, never caught one but did get a Permit and lots of Bone fish.   The area that I would recommend is the Florida Keys.   Talk to the people at Florida Keys Outfitters at:  1-305-664-5423   This is Sandy Moret’s school and FF shop.  They have the top guides… Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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I’m looking for recommendations for Tarpon fly fishing in mid December. Glen

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My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom Before you buy.

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A guide buddy of mine has an old steel telescoping fly rod (w/ reel). He says it is worth some $$. Don’t know how much though. Maybe take it to someone who deals in old rods for some idea of its worth. Never has fished with it I don’t think. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom Before you buy.

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Tom,    The first outfit I ever fished with was a rusty telescoping steel rod and a worn out level wind reel which caused more line tangles than I care to remember.  I hope I never have to do it again.  As to value, have you have seen the sign "We buy junk and sell antiques"? Ernie Tom wrote <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom

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Tom, My first ‘fly rod’ was a telescoping steel model bought at Western Auto. It was a total abomination to cast, but the fact that it telescoped made it handy for fishing the small brooks I frequented at the time. I have no idea what it is worth……I suspect it will have some value as a curiosity. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom

Well, it wasn’t a steel rod after all.  It was an old fiberglass rod painted silver.  The paint was worn off in places and the glass was a rust color so it kind of looked like a rusty metal rod. Another uncle does have a steel rod that looks like a fly rod with the handle and reel seat on backwards–fly rod-style guides/eyes and a cork handle but the reel seat is in the front…  an odd piece, I’d say. Tom Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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That’s a very nice site, Bill.  Is that you holding that big (steelhead?) on the top of the "reports" section?  It looks like the two of you are dancing a waltz.  One two three, one two three…. One more observation:  you have more ‘winter water’ in CA than we have ‘water’ in NM. Really a nicely done and information packed website. bruiser Any roffians visiting the San Juan this winter better call me in advance so I can have a good excuse to take the day off.

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Hi All, I am inviting you all to participate in our new Bulletin Board on our site. We have two topics so far. 1) Fly Fishing and 2) Fly Tying. We would love to get some fishing reports from other parts of the country and other parts of the world too. Thanks to All. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Well, not that I am an Indian giver (where did that saying come from?),

        well, from our own indian joe, of course:  one christmas eve, he was up on his rooftop, when along came a jolly old elf and a dozen far out reindeer.  they landed next to joe, startling him;  the white bearded old elf shouted, happily:  we are bringing gifts to you, sir, will you have them?  joe responded testily, "you can give me anything you please, but i’ll give you hell in a peach basket if you don’t get off my roof!         so ends the tale.  asadi, is that you….? wayno

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OK, counselor, how do I get the "master copy" of the shirt to give to my local t-shirt person.  With your permission, of course, I would like to use it for next year’s Easter ‘Clave.  I have a feeling that most claves in the future will have the same print if you and Anthony give us permission, of course. Dave LaCourse

        no problem with me, louie; but anthony is muttering something about a buck per shirt commish…         wayno, who aint worried about college tuition.

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<Lots of good stuff snipped It implies more…but in less words…"Fishing is Life, and Life is Short, so Don’t Waste it !"

Great post! George Adams

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Tim, you’re freakin’ me out, man… Your internal struggles aside, I agree with the sentiment. Well said, and rightly spoken… A damned good shirt it is. I have three – though one of those is for my neighbor Dave "Garden Hackler" LaCourse (you’ll get it when I see you again – probably on our river in September)… Enjoy yours, Tim. And if by some stroke of fortune I see you on the street in Glenwood – RUN LIKE HELL! /daytripper ;^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have worn my "Caroline Clave ‘99" shirt proudly now several times.  I wore it to work yesterday.   The more I have it, the more I think about it, the more I want to tell Wayne’s son that he has captured *it* perfectly. I mean *perfectly* as in there is no room for improvement. For one, the huge R.O.F.F. on the front…it *should* say, be that man. When I walk down the street here in Glenwood a visiting ROFFian could see it and introduce himself in person.  I want that, I really want that to happen. That some made the Clave, some didn’t, some wouldn’t.  But would wear the shirt, or understand the culmination of and importance of this new technology as we shift milleniums.  Brought together on an electron plane we have become friends in a way new to mankind, new in all ways to our evolution.  "R.O.F.F." in huge letters.  We recognize this. We are proud. A very, very important moment that we’re all experiencing in *our* lives. Perfection. But even more…the phrase…"Fishing is Life, Don’t Waste it", *is* ‘perfect’. Coupled with the youthful idealism of a child drawn innocent rendition of a trout makes it (to the continued chagrin of Maclean’s Mentor) "even more perfect". I struggled with it at first, I admit. "Fishing is Life". At first I thought of obssessive, compulsive greed behavior transmitted in this message, as in "screw the kids, screw the checkbook, screw the environment, I’m going fishing every day of my compulsive screwed up life". But this is more like "Fishing is Too Important to me and I’m out of balance, Sick, about it in fact".  Not the elegent, simpler…."Fishing is Life". No… Fishing *is* life.  The act of fishing, a fisherman, alive in the world, fishing, it is life. It is life. It can be no other thing.  Regardless of any other connotation or metaphor for fishing, it most certainly *is* life. There can be no doubt. "Don’t waste it". Perfect. This is not a statement of "Catch and Release", "Catch and Kill" or "Catch and Count" it’s *whatever it is. *DON’T WASTE IT*.  Catch one, quit and eat it.  Catch several and release them carefully, but *savor* them, *savor* them.  Do NOT waste it.  What better possible statement of conservation, of "Wasting Life" can be said ? It implies more…but in less words…"Fishing is Life, and Life is Short, so Don’t Waste it !" "R.O.F.F. – Caroline Clave ‘99 – Fishing is Life (Youth) Don’t Waste It" I’d certainly like to meet the Harrison’s.  *THAT’S* for damned sure. Way to go Anthony. Way to go Wayno. Way to go ROFF. Your Pal,

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day tripper writes accurately and poetically: <<Tim, you’re freakin’ me out, man… Your internal struggles aside, I agree with the sentiment. Well said, and rightly spoken… Hear, hear.  Could not agree more, Dave.  In fact, I think the Eastern Clave next year will use the same "A. Harrison print", with a different location/date.  What say you all? <<A damned good shirt it is. I have three – though one of those is for my neighbor Dave "Garden Hackler" LaCourse (you’ll get it when I see you again – probably on our river in September)… Well, not that I am an Indian giver (where did that saying come from?), but I gave you my *only* clave t-shirt.  I thought I had another one, but I must have left it in NC.  So, I will see you on the river with your generous offer, sir.  I would have gone to my grave keeping silent about my loss, but since you have *three*, Dave LaCourse

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OK, counselor, how do I get the "master copy" of the shirt to give to my local t-shirt person.  With your permission, of course, I would like to use it for next year’s Easter ‘Clave.  I have a feeling that most claves in the future will have the same print if you and Anthony give us permission, of course. Dave LaCourse

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Well said that man. I am also the proud owner of the aforementioned piece of piscatorial apparel, thanks to the good offices of Mr Harrison. It is just about the most valuable item in my whole fishing collection, but not in terms of money, depicting as it does very many things, much of what you said Tim, and a lot more besides. Maybe one day I will actually get to meet some of you, and that would be very nice, but in the meantime I wear the shirt occasionally, and imagine fishing places like Hazel creek, or hiking up a mountain stream with a few good friends. Getting amiably inebriated on the porch of a log cabin somewhere and discussing C&R vs. C&K in the flesh, singing silly songs, eating weird food that no civilised person would entertain, (grits ???), regularly checking the meniscus on the communal whisky bottle with Wolfgang maybe, and arguing over how many drinks are left in it, and whose turn it is to open the next one,  fishing with miniscule flies for gigantic fish, gigantic flies for miniscule fish, and lots and lots of other things too. Amazing what a simple thing like a t-shirt can conjure up, sort of a cotton version of Aladdin’s lamp. ROFF really is a quite amazing place. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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… Brought together on an electron plane we have become friends in a way new to mankind, new in all ways to our evolution.  "R.O.F.F." in huge letters.  We recognize this. We are proud. …

Gawd, I love it when you get on a roll. There just ain’t no disguisin’ the camaraderie of ROFF in the face of a post from the heart. Thanks, Timbo. — Ken Fortenberry

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On certain occasions the statements from Glenwood echo and reverberate… On any occasion I’m proud to say Tim is my friend….this being one. way to go bud. –Walt (who will be wearing his tee proudly this weekend) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have worn my "Caroline Clave ‘99" shirt proudly now several times.  I wore it to work yesterday.   The more I have it, the more I think about it, the more I want to tell Wayne’s son that he has captured *it* perfectly. I mean *perfectly* as in there is no room for improvement. For one, the huge R.O.F.F. on the front…it *should* say, be that man. When I walk down the street here in Glenwood a visiting ROFFian could see it and introduce himself in person.  I want that, I really want that to happen. That some made the Clave, some didn’t, some wouldn’t.  But would wear the shirt, or understand the culmination of and importance of this new technology as we shift milleniums.  Brought together on an electron plane we have become friends in a way new to mankind, new in all ways to our evolution.  "R.O.F.F." in huge letters.  We recognize this. We are proud. A very, very important moment that we’re all experiencing in *our* lives. Perfection. But even more…the phrase…"Fishing is Life, Don’t Waste it", *is* ‘perfect’. Coupled with the youthful idealism of a child drawn innocent rendition of a trout makes it (to the continued chagrin of Maclean’s Mentor) "even more perfect". I struggled with it at first, I admit. "Fishing is Life". At first I thought of obssessive, compulsive greed behavior transmitted in this message, as in "screw the kids, screw the checkbook, screw the environment, I’m going fishing every day of my compulsive screwed up life". But this is more like "Fishing is Too Important to me and I’m out of balance, Sick, about it in fact".  Not the elegent, simpler…."Fishing is Life". No… Fishing *is* life.  The act of fishing, a fisherman, alive in the world, fishing, it is life. It is life. It can be no other thing.  Regardless of any other connotation or metaphor for fishing, it most certainly *is* life. There can be no doubt. "Don’t waste it". Perfect. This is not a statement of "Catch and Release", "Catch and Kill" or "Catch and Count" it’s *whatever it is. *DON’T WASTE IT*.  Catch one, quit and eat it.  Catch several and release them carefully, but *savor* them, *savor* them.  Do NOT waste it.  What better possible statement of conservation, of "Wasting Life" can be said ? It implies more…but in less words…"Fishing is Life, and Life is Short, so Don’t Waste it !" "R.O.F.F. – Caroline Clave ‘99 – Fishing is Life (Youth) Don’t Waste It" I’d certainly like to meet the Harrison’s.  *THAT’S* for damned sure. Way to go Anthony. Way to go Wayno. Way to go ROFF. Your Pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Mike Connor: <<Maybe one day I will actually get to meet some of you, and that would be very nice, but in the meantime I wear the shirt occasionally, and imagine fishing places like Hazel creek, or hiking up a mountain stream with a few good friends. Getting amiably inebriated on the porch of a log cabin somewhere and discussing C&R vs. C&K in the flesh, singing silly songs, eating weird food that no civilised person would entertain, (grits ???), regularly checking the meniscus on the communal whisky bottle with Wolfgang maybe, and arguing over how many drinks are left in it, and whose turn it is to open the next one,  fishing with miniscule flies for gigantic fish, gigantic flies for miniscule fish, and lots and lots of other things too. Well, my friend from across the pond, all you have to do is show up at Logan Airport, Boston, Ma., in September of 2000.  If you come early, you may spend some time at my home and together we will go to Maine and some wonderful fishing with some wonderful people.  No need to rent a car — just get here.   Perhaps you can drag with you some other Your-o-pean Roffians, like Bill, Hans, and Herman.  Maybe even Christian if he can get away from his studies.  The same offer applies to them — no need to rent a car.  I will provide your transportation.   More info to follow after I venture up north in September.  Sure would be nice to have a European Cabin –  nothing but good ol boys errrrrrr, make that blokes, from across the pond. Dave LaCourse

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Gawd, I love it when you get on a roll. There just ain’t no disguisin’ the camaraderie of ROFF in the face of a post from the heart. Thanks, Timbo. — Ken Fortenberry

speakin’ of camaraderie…how come you ain’t on the road yet?. my kickin foot is gettin’ itchy. waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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speakin’ of camaraderie…how come you ain’t on the road yet?. my kickin foot is gettin’ itchy.

I’ll hit the road at crack of dawn tomorrow, my friend. Hope to be at Jeff’s cabin around 7 Friday evening. FYI, my email has been down since 4 a.m. this morning. A construction crew cut a cable and my office has no electricity. Since I’ve eschewed the campus email system with its built in redundancy in favor of the SGI on my desk that I’ve customized in my own quirky fashion, I find myself hoist on my own petard and incommunicado for the time being. That’s what I get for being a smartass. I’ll try to answer emails before I leave in the morning. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’ll have a JAX bud waitin fer ya! Waldo the thoughtful – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – speakin’ of camaraderie…how come you ain’t on the road yet?. my kickin foot is gettin’ itchy. I’ll hit the road at crack of dawn tomorrow, my friend. Hope to be at Jeff’s cabin around 7 Friday evening. FYI, my email has been down since 4 a.m. this morning. A construction crew cut a cable and my office has no electricity. Since I’ve eschewed the campus email system with its built in redundancy in favor of the SGI on my desk that I’ve customized in my own quirky fashion, I find myself hoist on my own petard and incommunicado for the time being. That’s what I get for being a smartass. I’ll try to answer emails before I leave in the morning. — Ken Fortenberry

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… and maybe a different color tee as well.

No ! The natural cotton color is PERFECT. Cool, doesn’t draw bugs, blends in for stealth, what more could you ask for in a T-shirt color ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Truly an excellent post Tbone. Jeff Boks Fly  Fishing~~~~~Just Do It

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Ken, Don’t forget to make a point of fishing Elk River.  Walt will make up some wild story to keep you off it but don’t be dissuaded!  When you have brought a double digit number of 15 inch + Browns to hand, take some pictures and tales into Fay’s Hardware in Linville to tell Paul.  He keeps a special surprise for the fly fisherman who brings in the best story of fishing the Elk each week! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

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day tripper writes accurately and poetically: <<Tim, you’re freakin’ me out, man… Your internal struggles aside, I agree with the sentiment. Well said, and rightly spoken… Hear, hear.  Could not agree more, Dave.  In fact, I think the Eastern Clave next year will use the same "A. Harrison print", with a different location/date.  What say you all?

Excellent! I think making a series of shirts is a killer idea, Dave. Keep the R.O.F.F., keep the artwork, keep the slogan, just change the location and year, and maybe a different color tee as well. Good stuff! <<A damned good shirt it is. I have three – though one of those is for my neighbor Dave "Garden Hackler" LaCourse (you’ll get it when I see you again – probably on our river in September)… Well, not that I am an Indian giver (where did that saying come from?), but I gave you my *only* clave t-shirt.  I thought I had another one, but I must have left it in NC.  So, I will see you on the river with your generous offer, sir.  I would have gone to my grave keeping silent about my loss, but since you have *three*,

As I promised you before, it’s a done deal. I was hoping to present it to you on a striper foray, but while you and I were having a ball on The River, most of the stripers apparently swam on up to Maine. Seems like only the little dudes stuck around down here – the fishing has been very slow on the ‘Mack… /daytripper

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… and maybe a different color tee as well. No ! The natural cotton color is PERFECT. Cool, doesn’t draw bugs, blends in for stealth, what more could you ask for in a T-shirt color ?

Is *that* what this color is? (we don’t grow no cotton in New England). The color is fine, I was just thinking of how to provide some variety in a series of roffian ‘clave shirts. But "blends in for stealth"? Where do you fish where the background is "natural cotton"? Even in the toaster oven that has been New England this year, our backgrounds are greens and browns. Wear a Carolina ‘Clave shirt on the stream here and the fish would have to put on their shades ;^) /daytripper

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On certain occasions the statements from Glenwood echo and reverberate… On any occasion I’m proud to say Tim is my friend….this being one. way to go bud. –Walt (who will be wearing his tee proudly this weekend)

Couldn’t of said it better if Mike had said it for me. Cheers Peter

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Is there a reason for the trailing dot in "R.O.F.F."?

Yes.   Period. Your pal, — TimW

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A damned good shirt it is. I have three – though one of those is for my neighbor Dave "Garden Hackler" LaCourse (you’ll get it when I see you again – probably on our river in September)… Enjoy yours, Tim. And if by some stroke of fortune I see you on the street in Glenwood – RUN LIKE HELL!

God I love this place!  I can’t tell you how much enjoyment I get out of here every day!  It is truely one of the bright spots when I am too busy to be fishing. Warren

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you go, Timbo.  very well said. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Brought together on an electron plane we have become friends in a way new to mankind, new in all ways to our evolution.  "R.O.F.F." in huge letters.  We recognize this. We are proud. … Gawd, I love it when you get on a roll. There just ain’t no disguisin’ the camaraderie of ROFF in the face of a post from the heart. Thanks, Timbo. — Ken Fortenberry

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I have worn my "Caroline Clave ‘99" shirt proudly now several times.  I wore it to work yesterday.   The more I have it, the more I think about it, the more I want to tell Wayne’s son that he has captured *it* perfectly.    thanks a lot for your comment.  it was very nice.  and 1 more thing.  

just to tell u what i think about my slogan, what i mean about ‘DON’T WASTE IT’ is that, as u said, life is short, but i think if no one has gone fishing at least 730 days in their whole life, their life is not complete.                               From the little man.         and from the big, old, man:  kinder words have never been spoken on behalf of me and mine.  it takes a long time to lose a friend from north carolina.  you never will. wayno

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evolution.  "R.O.F.F." in huge letters.  We recognize this. We are proud.

Is there a reason for the trailing dot in "R.O.F.F."? And, how about a non-clave generic ROFF T-shirt? I’ll have two of those, please. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

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I have worn my "Caroline Clave ‘99" shirt proudly now several times.  I wore it to work yesterday.   The more I have it, the more I think about it, the more I want to tell Wayne’s son that he has captured *it* perfectly. I mean *perfectly* as in there is no room for improvement. For one, the huge R.O.F.F. on the front…it *should* say, be that man. When I walk down the street here in Glenwood a visiting ROFFian could see it and introduce himself in person.  I want that, I really want that to happen. That some made the Clave, some didn’t, some wouldn’t.  But would wear the shirt, or understand the culmination of and importance of this new technology as we shift milleniums.  Brought together on an electron plane we have become friends in a way new to mankind, new in all ways to our evolution.  "R.O.F.F." in huge letters.  We recognize this. We are proud. A very, very important moment that we’re all experiencing in *our* lives. Perfection. But even more…the phrase…"Fishing is Life, Don’t Waste it", *is* ‘perfect’. Coupled with the youthful idealism of a child drawn innocent rendition of a trout makes it (to the continued chagrin of Maclean’s Mentor) "even more perfect". I struggled with it at first, I admit. "Fishing is Life". At first I thought of obssessive, compulsive greed behavior transmitted in this message, as in "screw the kids, screw the checkbook, screw the environment, I’m going fishing every day of my compulsive screwed up life". But this is more like "Fishing is Too Important to me and I’m out of balance, Sick, about it in fact".  Not the elegent, simpler…."Fishing is Life". No… Fishing *is* life.  The act of fishing, a fisherman, alive in the world, fishing, it is life. It is life. It can be no other thing.  Regardless of any other connotation or metaphor for fishing, it most certainly *is* life. There can be no doubt. "Don’t waste it". Perfect. This is not a statement of "Catch and Release", "Catch and Kill" or "Catch and Count" it’s *whatever it is. *DON’T WASTE IT*.  Catch one, quit and eat it.  Catch several and release them carefully, but *savor* them, *savor* them.  Do NOT waste it.  What better possible statement of conservation, of "Wasting Life" can be said ? It implies more…but in less words…"Fishing is Life, and Life is Short, so Don’t Waste it !" "R.O.F.F. – Caroline Clave ‘99 – Fishing is Life (Youth) Don’t Waste It" I’d certainly like to meet the Harrison’s.  *THAT’S* for damned sure. Way to go Anthony. Way to go Wayno. Way to go ROFF. Your Pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I am trying to plan my first trip to Alaska for silvers and/or steelhead. Have focused on the Kodiak area for a September trip. The outfitters I am considering are Olga Bay Lodge and Camp Kiklukh. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has fished with these camps or can recommend a topnotch outfitter that offers quality catch and release flyfishing in Alaska or British Columbia in a remote fly-in location. I’ll be glad to pass on the info I’ve gathered to anyone who is interested.

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: I am trying to plan my first trip to Alaska for silvers and/or steelhead. : Have focused on the Kodiak area for a September trip. The outfitters I am : considering are Olga Bay Lodge and Camp Kiklukh. Would appreciate hearing : from anyone who has fished with these camps or can recommend a topnotch : outfitter that offers quality catch and release flyfishing in Alaska or : British Columbia in a remote fly-in location. I’ll be glad to pass on the : info I’ve gathered to anyone who is interested. : I can shed some light on Camp Kiklukh.  My dad made that trip last year.  He went the last part of August into September.  Now, to give the whole story, he found the claims of having sea run cutthroats, Dolly Varden, and rainbows to be untrue.  He caught a couple of Dollys and *heard* of a cutt being caught. There were not many of these fish around at all.  Now, as far as the silver fishing, he said it was AWESOME! They were taken (by air) to a nearby river, the Tsiu, to fish for silvers.  Many fish in the 12-16lb. range.  Later in the trip, the water levels in the rivers closer to camp came up so the fish were able to get into these rivers. In short, he found this to be a one fish fishery. He reported the food to be excellent and the accomodations very good.  The staff were always around to help and the whole operation was well organized. If you would like some info on some other Alaskan places, please email me. Kind regards, Steve Kernosky Michigan Tech. University

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My hands down favorite river is the Alagnak, which flows into Bristol Bay.  The best outfitter on the river is Charlie Summerville at Alaska’s Trophy Adventures, Box 31, King Salmon, AK, tel. 907-246-8230.  I’ve fished with Charlie many times and caught thousands of fish.  His prices are right, and you have your choice of several wilderness outcamps.  Great guides, great food and great fishing.  Give him a call and say hi for me. Bill Battles

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My hands down favorite river is the Alagnak, which flows into Bristol Bay. The best outfitter on the river is Charlie Summerville at Alaska’s Trophy Adventures, Box 31, King Salmon, AK, tel. 907-246-8230.  I’ve fished with Charlie many times and caught thousands of fish.  His prices are right, and you have your choice of several wilderness outcamps.  Great guides, great food and great fishing.  Give him a call and say hi for me. Bill Battles

Gee Bill, I didn’t know there were steelhead in the Alagnak. Rhea Wood N3489Y C-185 Alaska-Based Floatplane

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Hey, Rhea, you got me good on that one!  I’ll pay more attention to the "Re:" next time. Bill Battles

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I haven’t received any mail today. Is the listserver down or is it my local mail handler…

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(Richard Hall) writes: I haven’t received any mail today. Is the listserver down or is it my

local mail handler… I didn’t even know there was a fly fishing mailing list.  How do I subscribe?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Montgomery, Noel D.) writes: Hammond) writes… | | I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If | it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, | I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite | brand containing 95-100% deet. | | I was curious to see how SSS and Muskol compared because I would rather use a non-deet repellant.  So during one trip I did in the middle of Algonquin Park (it was very hot and there were tons of nice, big mosquitoes) I did a test.  I put SSS on the bare skin of one arm and Muskol on the other. They worked equally well for about a half an hour and then the SSS lost its effectiveness.  The Muskol lasted for hours.  I usually bring both and use the Muskol  on my clothes and hat .  The SSS is too labour intensive having to put it on too often to be effective when the bugs are really bad. – Lori (ps sorry to whoever(I think it was Steve Hammond) I accidently e-mailed this  post to … Hit the wrong button!)

Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood. It might work at first, but once perspiration dilutes it and/or washes it away, you would be without protection.

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet. I go to the army surplus store and buy a little plastic squeeze bottle of army issue incent repellant.  I believe it’s 90% deet. I’ve been using the same bottle for three seasons.  It cost me about $2.  It works. —

I used that stuff when I was in the USAF…dissolved the vinyl steering wheel in my jeep too.  Left neato fingerprints on anything plastic. Anyway, it did work.  I also read an article once that said the most affective concentration of DEET was about 30%.  This was an Army study, so maybe the latest Army-issue stuff only has about 30% DEET in it.  I buy any brand with about that much in it and they seem to work fine.  I like the stinky ones…reminds me of when I was a kid and going camping, kinda like when you smell sun tan lotion and you remember when you were a kid going to the beach.. Brian — Brian Dixon, Machine Vision Engineer, Hewlett Packard (Corvallis, Oregon)

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After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there?

Well, I don’t believe the mosquitos are that bad, but up north you have an evil creature called the black fly.  Never encountered one, but from what I hear they’re worse than any mosquito bite. Mosquitos are bad, but I’ll walk into a cloud of mosquitos any day over a cloud of no-see-ums!         Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there? Well, I don’t believe the mosquitos are that bad, but up north you have an evil creature called the black fly.  Never encountered one, but from what I hear they’re worse than any mosquito bite. Mosquitos are bad, but I’ll walk into a cloud of mosquitos any day over a cloud of no-see-ums!

A few years back, I went Pike fishing in the Adirondacks.  When I went back to the house, there were about 20 one inch trails of dry blood on my face. I was told that "black flies" were the culprits.  Are these the same critters that we’re talking about here?        Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood. Just so you win future trivial pursuit games, I think the current consensus is that mosquitos home in on the CO .                                             2

I think they follow CO2 trails, but home in on heat for the kill. How else can you explain the mosquito bite on my ankle? After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there?

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.

I go to the army surplus store and buy a little plastic squeeze bottle of army issue incent repellant.  I believe it’s 90% deet. I’ve been using the same bottle for three seasons.  It cost me about $2.  It works. — John Fereira Viacom Cable Pleasanton, CA

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Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood.

Just so you win future trivial pursuit games, I think the current consensus is that mosquitos home in on the CO .                                              2         Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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| Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS | isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the | mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes | can’t smell the blood. | | It might work at first, but once perspiration dilutes it and/or washes it away, | you would be without protection. | Actually, I put very little on so that is absorbs into the skin and your skin isn’t oily at all.  I thought I heard that it had citronella  (the stuff they make bug candles with) in it but I’m not sure.

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.   Steve —  Scientific Computing Division            /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ____

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven't tried it before, I'd bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.

Yes, my ex-neighbor the entomologist (bug-man) said that SSS does nothing for mosquitos.  DEET is the way to go.  He did say that it works for very small biting insects like black flies because it drowns them.  Steve -- Scientific Computing Division            /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ____

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| | I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If | it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, | I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite | brand containing 95-100% deet. | | I was curious to see how SSS and Muskol compared because I would rather use a non-deet repellant.  So during one trip I did in the middle of Algonquin Park (it was very hot and there were tons of nice, big mosquitoes) I did a test.  I put SSS on the bare skin of one arm and Muskol on the other. They worked equally well for about a half an hour and then the SSS lost its effectiveness.  The Muskol lasted for hours.  I usually bring both and use the Muskol  on my clothes and hat .  The SSS is too labour intensive having to put it on too often to be effective when the bugs are really bad. – Lori (ps sorry to whoever(I think it was Steve Hammond) I accidently e-mailed this   post to … Hit the wrong button!)

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that … Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs? Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle …  |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|       800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that …

You could throw a dry fly in the ocean but you’re not likely to catch anything.  The best place I can think of offhand would be Loch Lomand Reservoir in Felton. If you get there really early in the morning you might pick up a trout or two.  A few years ago I was catching tons on bluegill on wet flies casting from a canoe.  There’s some nice largemouths in the coves as well.  You’d have to wait till next season but you can pick up some steelhead in the San Lorenzo river and Scott creek, north of Davenport. I can’t really think of any good streams in the vicinity that would provide dry fly fishing.  No legal ones anyway. Your best bet is to head to the Sierra. Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs?

I know a 19lb. catfish was caught out of Loch Lomand as well a couple of years ago.  I don’t know of any sloughs in the Santa Cruz area but the Delta is full of them. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle … |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|     800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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