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(shit, gotta teach these friggin’ yankees EVERYTHING!)

    tell me about it.  it’s been my personal burden for decades. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Where are these photo essays posted at? Tim Apple

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Where are these photo essays posted at? Tim Apple

Here’s the link to the page on Peter’s site…some nice water on display. http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/strmr-13.html Cheers, Bill

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Hmm…. Very nice, Peter. otoh, remind me never to take you to any of my favorite New Hampshire brookie ponds ‘lessen you leave your shootin’ iron at home!

and why not?  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Speakin’ of brookie ponds, I hit two of the best on a sparkling White Mountain Fall day, one pond in the morning ’til lunch, the other after lunch ’til dark. Took three of my Winstons in the canoe, a 9/3 with a tiny white parachute midge on 7x, a 9/5 with a damselfly on 5x, and another 9/5 with a Type 6 uniform sinker tipped with a #10 Silverside. I was loaded for bear. The sky was blue, the sun was hot…and the wind was beginning to rise. Some nasty tropical weather is apparently coming up here to die and fighting that wind taxed the hell out of my trollin’ motor battery, not to mention making dry fly fishing more challenging at times. But I was determined to fish the three weight at least once this year so I set out, working along the windward bank, and had a ball. A 14" cold water brookie on this rod feels like a monster and before the first lap of the pond I was lucky enough to catch a couple of biguns to go with as many shorts. Kept working a dry fly along the shore line on a second lap catching the odd fish, ’til the rising wind pushed me into the clutches of The Dark Side and I took to trolling the deep middle with the supersinker. In short order – three passes over the really deep spot in the pond – I had caught a matched pair of slabby females and one precocious male short that was colored up like he meant business *this* year…

Did you set up the canoe of the windward side of the lake and let the wind blow you across?  Years ago, I watched a TV spot with two guys in Quebec in a wooden boat that was a cross between a canoe and a row boat.  There was a wicker chair at each end and the guys were stretched out, fly rods over the side, letting the wind push them across.  Looked mighty peaceful way to fish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Right about noon, feeling nicely toasted by rays, wind, and whatever, I pulled out and headed over to my first favorite little brookie pond and had lunch while the battery charged up. The wind had risen well beyond the 3 weight so I was down to the dry and wet fives. All afternoon I was looking for that "just barely legal" fish to boink and consume In The Name Of Tim. I fished the hell out of that pond with dry fly and streamer until near dark battling wind and white caps and wishing I had a dagger board clamped up alongside the bow. I did catch a half dozen fish before dark, but all were either undersized or honestly just too big – this close to spawning season I just can’t whack a big ol’ cow brookie or her old man (that’s *my* principle and I won’t be moved by some confused BassMaster wannabee out in Colorado . Still, felt like fish for dinner, so at dark as I drove back to my cabin I threw a reach cast into the little grocery in beautiful downtown Franconia and pulled out some Kipper snacks, smoked oysters, real cheddar cheese, and some gnarly bread that the local hippy bakery up here supplies to the store. And some *excellent*  Tuckerman Pale Ale, brewed by Kirsten and Nik at Tuckerman Brewing Company in Conway. www.tuckermanbrewing.com Just one of the *many* New England brews that would kick that pommy Sleeman’s ass back to Saskatoon

ya right, take twenty of those yankee cabbage water brews to measure up to one Sleemans and it’s Guelph, not Saskatoon and the original Mr. Sleemans was probably a kraut, not a pommy (shit, gotta teach these friggin’ yankees EVERYTHING!) Hoping to meet up with Dave "Flyfish" Bottom in the morning on the Magalloway. It looks pretty grim on weather.com… /daytripper  ("Mmmmmm….Kipper snacks!"

Haven’t had kippers since I was a kid – keep this up and you might get a surprise guest one day and you might be able to twist my arm enough for me to drink some of that cabbage water. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Bob Patton’s and Bill Mason’s photos are now up. Yet to come: Meramec – Bob Patton Whitemans Creek, ON Spring Creek, PA Penns Creek, PA Credit River, ON Rapid River, ME Bronte Creek, ON Saugeen River, ON AuSable, NY 18 Mile Creek, NY or until I run out of space on the server. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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forgot the URL http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/strmr-13.html Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Bob Patton’s and Bill Mason’s photos are now up.

Thank you again, Peter.  Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most.  The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me.  I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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//snip// Thank you again, Peter.  Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most.  The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me.  I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill

I’ll second Bill’s comments. Thanks, Charles. Now, where the hell is Frenchman’s creek? Gotta go there soon! Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – //snip// Thank you again, Peter.  Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most.  The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me.  I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill I’ll second Bill’s comments. Thanks, Charles. Now, where the hell is Frenchman’s creek? Gotta go there soon! Bob

Hmm…. Very nice, Peter. otoh, remind me never to take you to any of my favorite New Hampshire brookie ponds ‘lessen you leave your shootin’ iron at home! Speakin’ of brookie ponds, I hit two of the best on a sparkling White Mountain Fall day, one pond in the morning ’til lunch, the other after lunch ’til dark. Took three of my Winstons in the canoe, a 9/3 with a tiny white parachute midge on 7x, a 9/5 with a damselfly on 5x, and another 9/5 with a Type 6 uniform sinker tipped with a #10 Silverside. I was loaded for bear. The sky was blue, the sun was hot…and the wind was beginning to rise. Some nasty tropical weather is apparently coming up here to die and fighting that wind taxed the hell out of my trollin’ motor battery, not to mention making dry fly fishing more challenging at times. But I was determined to fish the three weight at least once this year so I set out, working along the windward bank, and had a ball. A 14" cold water brookie on this rod feels like a monster and before the first lap of the pond I was lucky enough to catch a couple of biguns to go with as many shorts. Kept working a dry fly along the shore line on a second lap catching the odd fish, ’til the rising wind pushed me into the clutches of The Dark Side and I took to trolling the deep middle with the supersinker. In short order – three passes over the really deep spot in the pond – I had caught a matched pair of slabby females and one precocious male short that was colored up like he meant business *this* year… Right about noon, feeling nicely toasted by rays, wind, and whatever, I pulled out and headed over to my first favorite little brookie pond and had lunch while the battery charged up. The wind had risen well beyond the 3 weight so I was down to the dry and wet fives. All afternoon I was looking for that "just barely legal" fish to boink and consume In The Name Of Tim. I fished the hell out of that pond with dry fly and streamer until near dark battling wind and white caps and wishing I had a dagger board clamped up alongside the bow. I did catch a half dozen fish before dark, but all were either undersized or honestly just too big – this close to spawning season I just can’t whack a big ol’ cow brookie or her old man (that’s *my* principle and I won’t be moved by some confused BassMaster wannabee out in Colorado . Still, felt like fish for dinner, so at dark as I drove back to my cabin I threw a reach cast into the little grocery in beautiful downtown Franconia and pulled out some Kipper snacks, smoked oysters, real cheddar cheese, and some gnarly bread that the local hippy bakery up here supplies to the store. And some *excellent*  Tuckerman Pale Ale, brewed by Kirsten and Nik at Tuckerman Brewing Company in Conway. www.tuckermanbrewing.com Just one of the *many* New England brews that would kick that pommy Sleeman’s ass back to Saskatoon Hoping to meet up with Dave "Flyfish" Bottom in the morning on the Magalloway. It looks pretty grim on weather.com… /daytripper  ("Mmmmmm….Kipper snacks!"

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And then I got it. Sorry long day in the sun without any fish…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You what? Yes, well, I bet you don

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Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

Pass Lake; black body, white wing, in size 12 or 14.  On any given cast it is virtually impossible to predict whether it will be a dry fly or wet.  Doesn’t matter; gills love ‘em!

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  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

Here in northeast PA the rivers and creeks are really high due to lots of rain so i’ve been hitting the ponds and small lakes.   Been catching alot of nice gills with a size 8 black and red wooly worm. minkaz

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Went to my local trout stream today and didn’t have any luck at all with the trout, but when I put on a muddler minnow I tied I immediately landed 3 small fish: one nice sized bluegill/sunfish (I was shocked to even see one in this stream), and 2 fish I have no idea what they were. One was dark gray on top, a light gray/white on sides, and the cool thing about it was, all of its fins were a deep, beautiful bright red. Pretty little fish. Anyone know what it is?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

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Went to my local trout stream today and didn’t have any luck at all with the trout, but when I put on a muddler minnow I tied I immediately landed 3 small fish: one nice sized bluegill/sunfish (I was shocked to even see one in this stream), and 2 fish I have no idea what they were. One was dark gray on top, a light gray/white on sides, and the cool thing about it was, all of its fins were a deep, beautiful bright red. Pretty little fish. Anyone know what it is?

Mark You didn’t say where you were fishing, but if it was Maine, it could’ve been a blueback trout – very rare. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I ‘ve had luck with bumble/honey bee imitations….fished kinda wet with a twitch now and then……john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

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Would that be Crane Falls near Bruneau?  I caught a 17" bass there last week.  I was using a black beadhead bugger.  When after ‘gills I usually use popping bugs in any color.  Fished around the shoreline. Don Burkes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

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I am in Idaho also, Boise, if we are thinking of the same resevoir, I have done very well with #10 damsel nymphs.  Haven’t fished it this year due to shoulder surgery, but I have heard some good reports.   Clint

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Went to my local trout stream today and didn’t have any luck at all with the trout, but when I put on a muddler minnow I tied I immediately landed 3 small fish: one nice sized bluegill/sunfish (I was shocked to even see one in this stream), and 2 fish I have no idea what they were. One was dark gray on top, a light gray/white on sides, and the cool thing about it was, all of its fins were a deep, beautiful bright red. Pretty little fish. Anyone know what it is?

Where were you fishing? What was the body shape? What did the mouth look like? From the colors, I’m halfway guessing it to be a redhorse sucker. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences.

Actually, I had a similar experience this past memorial day. We went to a private campground with several large ponds that have been seriously overfished (or so we were told) and caught several stringers worth of fryers, and a good dozen 6"-7"ers as well. (Not to mention a few crappies and small bass) The most productive flies were various dry flies, but most of the bigger fish hit on fuzzy bumblebees fished wet. Mine had rubber legs, but they liked the legless variety just as well. The only large ones we caught on top hit on foam spiders, and grasshoppers. I have caught a few large ones on poppers and buggers, but for some reason they love the bumblebees. — <signature <! impressive references and witty saying goes here </signature Before you buy.

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Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

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"Bluegill Fly Fishing and Flies" by Wilson will have a lot of suggestions for you, it’s basically all about large bluegill on the fly. Regards, Jeff

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My favorites are: a McGinty, a black gnat, a coachman. In that order, all wet, all size 8-10. If I’m catching too many small fish I switch to a small streamer. I like a Mickey Finn or a simple silver tinsel body with a squiral tail wing, both size 10.    Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Opie writes: Ok, I concede redeye gravy an grits. Opie

Heeeehaaaaa.  A yankee teachin’ a pooh boy how to eat!  Heyyyahhh.  Georgia ice cream!!!!!!   Course, a good vodka to help it along is always welcome.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything.

They just *told* you it was gravy<g. — Charlie…

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Ernie Harrison writes: Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie Hell, there are few things better than good old country ham, red eye gravy and grits (good grits — none of that instant stuff). Dave, whose marriage to two southern belles is obviously showing.

Huh?  I thought they only did that in Utah.  Hey Verrrrrnnnn!

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Jeff, You obviously need a bit more Southern acculturation. Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk. Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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Jeff,    Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! Jeff

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Ernie Harrison writes: Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie

Hell, there are few things better than good old country ham, red eye gravy and grits (good grits — none of that instant stuff). Dave, whose marriage to two southern belles is obviously showing.

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Except *GRITS.* Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff,    Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! Jeff

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Ok, I concede redeye gravy an grits. Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ernie Harrison writes: Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie Hell, there are few things better than good old country ham, red eye gravy and grits (good grits — none of that instant stuff). Dave, whose marriage to two southern belles is obviously showing.

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If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.

Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

The way you scoffed buscuits and gravy at Tootsie’s I’d always thought you to be a grits fan.  Thought you’d be pleased when the Times ran it. Don’t that beat all . . . Peter

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken

damn I thought grits was cream of wheat with sand in it…. Flyfish

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken damn I thought grits was cream of wheat with sand in it…. Flyfish

Nah – couldn’t be – cream of wheat and sand actually has FLAVOR!

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Polenta is made from whole stone ground cornmeal. That would imply some flavor to be had. Grits are made from hominy. That’s what is left after soaking corn in a lye solution and removing the bran or kernel. The original "Better eating through chemistry!". I’m from down south and I never could get used them myself. MT

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken

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Buy a good set of gravel guards, keeps the grit out.

I got the neoprene ones with the velcro closures.  Real easy to put on and very effective for keeping grits out but they also make breathing somewhat problematic.

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If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.  Cream-O-Shit, some comparison! Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Buy a good set of gravel guards, keeps the grit out. I got the neoprene ones with the velcro closures.  Real easy to put on and very effective for keeping grits out but they also make breathing somewhat problematic.

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If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.  Cream-O-Shit, some comparison! Opie

you’re damn tootin! thank god i had me a plateful this morning, o/w i wouldn’t have been able to land that big ‘ole ‘bow from yer drift did you and jeffie (who despises grits, but loves marshmellows) get any more fish after i left? i caught a couple of small brookies twitchin’ the fly back downstream on the way out. waldo

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damn I thought grits was cream of wheat with sand in it…. Flyfish

When I was stationed at Ft. Jackson SC back in the 60’s they would occasionally serve some white stuff for breakfast. If a northener asked what it was the cook would tell him cream of wheat and of course the reply to a southerner was grits. Half the mess hall would put milk & suger on it, the other half salt & pepper. Thank God I was cadre and didn’t have to eat anything I couldn’t identify.      Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Walt, I can’t speak for Jeff, but my life has no meaning.  Does that answer your question? Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.  Cream-O-Shit, some comparison! Opie you’re damn tootin! thank god i had me a plateful this morning, o/w i wouldn’t have been able to land that big ‘ole ‘bow from yer drift did you and jeffie (who despises grits, but loves marshmellows) get any more fish after i left? i caught a couple of small brookies twitchin’ the fly back downstream on the way out. waldo

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Buy a good set of gravel guards, keeps the grit out. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Walt, I can’t speak for Jeff, but my life has no meaning.  Does that answer your question? Opie

yeah… it tells me ya got in the cooler waldo

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I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

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I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Ken Fortenberry

GRITS!  Wonderful!  Why Ken; don’t you know grits are the closest thing you can have to nothing and still have something??!!  They are the base requirement to serving red-eye gravey! They are also not off-topic to fly fishing.  A good breakfast of grits fortifies the intrepid fly fisher-person for the day with an extra fast energy supply from the starches, sticks with you to aswage hunger, and passes along slowly enough to keep you from having to peel out of your waders around 10:30. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

um…ken, i think you transposed…no way i’m takin the budweiser.  give it to waldo, he’ll drink anything.  but the records might work. jeff

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing.

Right, and a lump of coal and a diamond are essentially the same thing. — Ken Fortenberry

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Does any one out there have any info on fly fishing using a rudder.

Fly fishing with a drift control rudder (similar in effect to a lee board) is used on some of the large reservoirs in the English Midlands. These are really trolling techniques and a pretty far cry from what most of us regard as true fly fishing: usually using fast sink/lead core lines and big tandem lures or tube flies (dead blackbirds, etc.). They are, nevertheless, effective techniques for ’specimen hunting’ really big, dour browns and rainbows, that are not usually caught by conventional ‘fly’ fishing. The guy who can probably tell you most about rudder fishing is Steve Parton: a vastly experienced; plain talking and helpful tackle dealer based near Nottingham. He wrote a book that covered the subject pretty fully. It’s out of print now, but he might have a copy or two left. Tight Lines Tony Deacon P.S. Drogues are used very extensively on the English reservoirs and everyone calls them drogues.

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: Does any one out there have any info on fly fishing using a rudder. : : Well I am not too sure about fly-fishing with it, but if you look at the : shark thread on here, you might find it would be useful for bashing them on : the head with ? : Perhaps you could work it into a collage with the Nautical Art Deco Lamp ? : Seriously,  a rudder is not much use for steering a boat while flyfishing. : The best method is to have a boatman using oars to control the boat, if you : have enough way on to steer properly with a rudder, then the boat is usually : moving too fast.  A drogue is much more useful for controlling a drift, : especially if you are alone in the boat. : A drogue is a device usually made of strong cloth or similar, and placed in : the water on the end of a rope to act as a brake and steering device. : Depending on how and where it is placed, very precise drifting may be : achieved. It seems to me that drogue is an aeronautical term. Us old swabbies know it as a Sea Anchor! : Tight lines ! : Mike Connor — I’m a Canadian eh!                                              Steve. The FAQ for rec.crafts.metalworking is at: http://w3.uwyo.edu/~metal The metalworking drop box  is at           http://www.metalworking.com                                     or     http://208.213.200.132 Visit my website at: http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~ud233/homepage.htm

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Does any one out there have any info on fly fishing using a rudder.

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Does any one out there have any info on fly fishing using a rudder.

Well I am not too sure about fly-fishing with it, but if you look at the shark thread on here, you might find it would be useful for bashing them on the head with ? Perhaps you could work it into a collage with the Nautical Art Deco Lamp ? Seriously,  a rudder is not much use for steering a boat while flyfishing. The best method is to have a boatman using oars to control the boat, if you have enough way on to steer properly with a rudder, then the boat is usually moving too fast.  A drogue is much more useful for controlling a drift, especially if you are alone in the boat. A drogue is a device usually made of strong cloth or similar, and placed in the water on the end of a rope to act as a brake and steering device. Depending on how and where it is placed, very precise drifting may be achieved. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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I came up with a great new sport. It makes Fishing look like kids stuff 1) Get up into an airplane Piper cub will do and fly over someones ranch where they have cows. Get a large grappling hook and sharpen all the barbs. fly down towards the cows and swing the hook behind them. If you hook one ty it off onto one of the wing struts and gain altitude. I call this "beefing"

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Uh oh – beware the Noll troll who wrote, in part: … It makes Fishing look like kids stuff.

I call this "beefing." << -tran

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I came up with a great new sport. It makes Fishing look like kids stuff 1) Get up into an airplane Piper cub will do and fly over someones ranch where they have cows. Get a large grappling hook and sharpen all the barbs. fly down towards the cows and swing the hook behind them. If you hook one ty it off onto one of the wing struts and gain altitude. I call this "beefing" Hey Nimrod! Here’s a novel idea! Forget the cows!!!  Try doing this on jetskiers! A target that is moving would take more skill. Cows would be far too easy anyone could do that! Your going to have to work on a new name though…….Bummer !      Steve

Right on!!!

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Anyone got a recommendation for a nice pourvoire no more than 6 hours from Montreal? I’d like to flyfish for trout in May. Some place nice…the wife is coming too. Thanks!

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<<Anyone got a recommendation for a nice pourvoire no more than 6 hours from Montreal? Pourvoire?  Housekeeping cabins?   Dave LaCourse

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Howdy from Quebec: I can recommend "Pourvoirie Real Masse" in St-Zenon. It is located 2 hours from Montreal. It is a great place for easy fishing an a happy wife. All the lakes are stocked. The food is fantastic. If you are interested I can give you more information. Could be a little late for reservation for may 1999… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyone got a recommendation for a nice pourvoire no more than 6 hours from Montreal? I’d like to flyfish for trout in May. Some place nice…the wife is coming too. Thanks!

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dave –  i think "pourvoire" is one of them fancy words frequently used by Jim Roberts (a/k/a pamlico jim)  after an evening at the Villa Roma Bar, (jim begins talkin some kind of foreign language after a couple hours), ‘cept he pronounces it "pervoir"…as in…"damn, ya’ll, i think that there fella’s a pervoir"…you don’t want to put jim in any pervoir cabin, i assure you…  (seems there ought to be a pourvoire closer than 6 hours from montreal though) …course, it might be that the word really means "i see you pour forth" or "i watch you urinate", in which case the guy using it is a "pervoir"…but it might be that somebody simply misspelled the thing and meant "Pourboire", which is a tip for a good drink, which is just fine with me, and jim i suppose. (sorry to intrude, but the whiskey got me goin and i just couldn’t help myself…) jeff

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Howdy from Quebec: I can recommend "Pourvoirie Real Masse" in St-Zenon. It is located 2 hours from Montreal. It is a great place for easy fishing an a happy wife. All the lakes are stocked. The food is fantastic. If you are interested I can give you more information. Could be a little late for reservation for may 1999… Anyone got a recommendation for a nice pourvoire no more than 6 hours from Montreal? I’d like to flyfish for trout in May. Some place nice…the wife is coming too. Thanks!

For those who dont know what "pourvoirie" means… "Outfitter"  Michel

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well hell…if he’d said "pourvoirie", we’d all have understood…but he said "pourvoire"…aarrgg…don’t you just hate it when that happens… jeff

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Got a web site I could look at? Also, I don’t like boats much. Can I use my waders here? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howdy from Quebec: I can recommend "Pourvoirie Real Masse" in St-Zenon. It is located 2 hours from Montreal. It is a great place for easy fishing an a happy wife. All the lakes are stocked. The food is fantastic. If you are interested I can give you more information. Could be a little late for reservation for may 1999… Anyone got a recommendation for a nice pourvoire no more than 6 hours from Montreal? I’d like to flyfish for trout in May. Some place nice…the wife is coming too. Thanks!

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With Real Masse you will be fishing in lakes. Fishing is from 8 am to 5 pm.  Traveling from lodge to lake is by golf cart…. they clean and pack  your fish… followed by a "gastronomic meal"…. This is the place where fishermen take there non fishing wife… not the wild canadian outback. If this is not what you are looking I can give you the phone number of "Sentier Chasse et Peche" (Or I could mail you a copy). "Sentier chasse et peche" is a hunting and fishing magazine here in Quebec. Finally I can also suggest to contact Orvis fly fishing shop in Montreal. They can provide information. They also organize fishing trips.   Boutique Salmo Nature (Orvis) 110 McGill Montreal 514-871-8447 Regards – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Got a web site I could look at? Also, I don’t like boats much. Can I use my waders here? Howdy from Quebec: I can recommend "Pourvoirie Real Masse" in St-Zenon. It is located 2 hours from Montreal. It is a great place for easy fishing an a happy wife. All the lakes are stocked. The food is fantastic. If you are interested I can give you more information. Could be a little late for reservation for may 1999… Anyone got a recommendation for a nice pourvoire no more than 6 hours from Montreal? I’d like to flyfish for trout in May. Some place nice…the wife is coming too. Thanks!

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There is a very beautiful pay to play lake 38 mi No of Seattle.  Its a catch and release fly-fishing only lake.  They have excellent guides if instruction is needed.  Float tubes, waders, boats, rods and everything you would need for a quality experiance.  There is a beautiful Hamptons style Barn for your indoor classes, seminars and retreats.  Check out the web site.  www.acountrylocation.com — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway.

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What are the green fees ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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There is a very beautiful pay to play lake 38 mi No of Seattle.  Its a catch and release fly-fishing only lake.  They have excellent guides if instruction is needed.  Float tubes, waders, boats, rods and everything you would need for a quality experiance.  There is a beautiful Hamptons style Barn for your indoor classes, seminars and retreats.  Check out the web site.  www.acountrylocation.com

Is this Fly fishing ??  Is this the future of FF’ing? Spa, food,Manacureist, lodge river/lake access fees? , Personal photographer to record for your desk the "Big One" you did let get away. Lunch on the Lake with a chilled White and bit smoked Pink. We need a bait pond with soft tacos and warm Oly  and a 1952 Airstream on blocks.A dish on top and a good Hockey game crashing out over the Lake and a card game going all the time. I would sign on there in a heart beat. HM

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I am looking for a canoe for fly fishing. Any thoughts on the Mad Rive Winooski? Thanks, Paul

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is the winooski the short fat one??  I have an MR explorer and have no problem standing and casting. –

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Yes it is. I am relatively new to canoe an for the type fly fishing (tarpon & snook) in the Everglades backcountry I need all the stability I can get. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is the winooski the short fat one??  I have an MR explorer and have no problem standing and casting. –

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The Winooski would be an excellent choice.  It is very stable and no problem to stand up in once you get used to the feel of the shallow -v hull.  The only disadvantage of this boat is that, at only 14′  it’s a bit slow; but speed is generally not a big concern of fishermen (the Winooski is however, probably the fastest 14′ boat on the market).  The boat does well with a motormount and small electric kicker. I’d avoid the lightweight Kevlarconstruction for motoring, though – just a bit too light (decreased stability unless you have alot of weight in it).

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I am in the process of opening a new fly shop and would like to know of some fly wholesalers.  Please E-mail me with any info.  Shop owners, your help would be greatly appreciated.  THANKS

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I am in the process of opening a new fly shop and would like to know of some fly wholesalers.  Please E-mail me with any info.  Shop owners, your help would be greatly appreciated.  THANKS

Hi Dan Bailey’s is a good source of wholesale flies. Call 800-356-4052. Good Luck. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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