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Mark Rey, long time timber lobbyist is in charge of our forests, and starting  to work on weakening all logging laws: Former Timber corporation lobbyist now head of our national forests: http://www.missoulian.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/Jun… A natural split with Bush- many longtime  conservative EPA officials are quitting: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-000039065jun03.story Lawmakers offer bi-partisan protection for national forests: http://ens-news.com/ens/jun2002/2002-06-05-07.asp Congress recognizes the voice of the American  people, offers bill and recognizes the 2 million  public comments favoring roadless protection, concedes  60 percent of republicans favor roadless protection as well: http://www.enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/06/06062002/reu_47454.asp Congress, industry recognize the vast  majority of american citizens favor protecting our last wild and unroaded forests: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/73893_pot08.shtml — Sent by sonvolt55  from  hotmail subpart from com This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header. Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.

It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species…

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot. It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species…

Careful Tripper; a glance at your medical records suggests YOU are on the list.     Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot. It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species… Careful Tripper; a glance at your medical records suggests YOU are on the list.     Wolfgang

No doubt I’d be fatally injured before I even got in range of mr. bob’s felling… /daytripper (the hits just keep on coming

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"\ I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.\

I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees. He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

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"\ I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.\ I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees.

If it was nothing like responsible land management, why did you do it? He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.

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I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees. He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

SPLORK! The musk thang is an obnoxious jerk who gets his kicks out of baiting anyone who might disagree with him with his outrageous headers. He is totally opposed to any requests to limit or curtail his off topic behavoir. He regularly morphs his nick to get around the filters of those who attempt to ignore him, and he hides behind free posting services and conceals his email because his behavior violates most ISP’s terms. He has lost a couple of accounts in the past due to the volume of complaints regarding his behavior. I could care less if he’s a hunter, a fisherman or a cross dressing dwarf, he’s still an annoying insect. If he had brains, he’d be more considerate of those who don’t want to see his posts instead of using periodic nick morphing to get around our filters. Flyfish

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai. He has a gorgeous blonde girlfriend(ive never seen so many stares in my direction thanks to walking with her on several occasions), a nice ride and an even nicer selection of fly rods. Perhaps you are jealous of that? He is a positive, hopeful person  and people seem to gravitate to him. He, like I also have the glorious choices of fishing in a still unspoiled setting, which is something you don’t have Mike. Perhaps if someone in Europe had spoken up and made noise a long time ago the fishing and habitat wouldnt be so poor now, and the choices so few.

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Musty Ass has spoken.

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai.

I could not care less about his girlfriend or his fly-rods. The only thing I care about, is the fact that he costs me money with his constant Usenet abuse. The problem is solved for me at least. I have unsubscribed from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly  as it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. I will occasionally have a look in, using Google ( where I don

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Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system.  I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick.  On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel.   That’s 150 freaking feet!! Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.) The Airflo shooting head system is super slick, never noticed the loops going through the guides.  I’m in love . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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[shoot].   That’s 150 freaking feet!!

Man that’s gonna take awhile to get back on the spool Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.)

You have rocks in a laundry that is big enough for a 150ft cast? Everything *is* bigger up there The Airflo shooting head system is super slick, never noticed the loops going through the guides.  I’m in love . . .

Noted. (The airflo bit At least when you lose the whole fly you usually realise pretty quick,   losing the damn point is a much more subtle affair in the implementation and detection … Steve

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[shoot].   That’s 150 freaking feet!! Man that’s gonna take awhile to get back on the spool

Marquis Salmon No.3 – not long Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.) You have rocks in a laundry that is big enough for a 150ft cast? Everything *is* bigger up there

Here’s a view of my washing machine. http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/whirlpool/spey_casting_the_line_layou… The Airflo shooting head system is super slick, never noticed the loops going through the guides.  I’m in love . . . Noted. (The airflo bit At least when you lose the whole fly you usually realise pretty quick,   losing the damn point is a much more subtle affair in the implementation and detection … Steve

Not with the big heads – there’s so much momentum it’s easy to snap it off and fish sans fly without noticing. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Here’s a view of my washing machine.

That the cable car line overhead? Joe F.

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Here’s a view of my washing machine. That the cable car line overhead? Joe F.

And how long will it take him to tangle his line in that ?  That’ll piss em off Scott

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Here’s a view of my washing machine. That the cable car line overhead? Joe F.

Yup, it used_to_be out of reach. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system.  I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick.  On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!!

In the U.S that’s only 100′

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Here’s a view of my washing machine. http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/whirlpool/spey_casting_the_line_layou…

S’a beautiful looking spot. Not with the big heads – there’s so much momentum it’s easy to snap it off and fish sans fly without noticing.

Yeah, thinking about it that sounds reasonable.  My only experience has been with lightweight (for heads) #8 #9 and the whole thing can "get out of shape" a lot easier than the conventional #4, & 6 WF setups I use.   I wonder how many Whirlpools there are world wide … I can think of 2 here in Aus. that I’ve fished … one in the salt and one in fresh.  I have pics of both somewhere, but your washing machine winds hands down for scenerics. Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system.  I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick.  On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!! In the U.S that’s only 100′

My turn – BITE ME! Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system.  I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick.  On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!!

So how do you hook up with 150 freaking feet of line out? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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… That’s 150 freaking feet!! So how do you hook up with 150 freaking feet of line out?

Accidentally. — Ken Fortenberry

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Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.)

Have you considered trying a cut 850 grain Scientific Anglers Deepwater Express shooting head? I use a soft 8 wt rod in the surf and my preferred setup is about 18 feet of LC-13 connected to a running line.  I like having a short shooting head because sometimes the fish are in really close or they follow the fly all the way close to shore.  Whether I land the fish or not, I have a minimal amount of work to do in order to get the head out past the guides again in preparation for another cast since the head is so short.  Also, there are always dogs, kids, frisbees and who knows what else sneaking up behind me so the short head reduces the chances of incidental non-piscine hookups. A short head is also easier to lift back up to the surface when getting ready for the next cast.  You lose some distance and the transition from back cast to forward cast feels more abrupt (the latter can be minimized by altering your casting motion) but I really like it for the kind of fishing I do especially given that my St. Croix is a slow action rod. You could chop that SA DWE 850 grain head down to 15 feet and still have a 425 grain head. But Airflo has the fastest sinking heads.  That DWE 850 is rated at 9-10 IPS.  A 300 grain Airflo will (purportedly) sink just as fast. Mu

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Have you considered trying a cut 850 grain Scientific Anglers Deepwater Express shooting head? I use a soft 8 wt rod in the surf and my preferred setup is about 18 feet of LC-13 connected to a running line.  I like having a short shooting head because sometimes the fish are in really close or they follow the fly all the way close to shore.  Whether I land the fish or not, I have a minimal amount of work to do in order to get the head out past the guides again in preparation for another cast since the head is so short.  Also, there are always dogs, kids, frisbees and who knows what else sneaking up behind me so the short head reduces the chances of incidental non-piscine hookups. A short head is also easier to lift back up to the surface when getting ready for the next cast.  You lose some distance and the transition from back cast to forward cast feels more abrupt (the latter can be minimized by altering your casting motion) but I really like it for the kind of fishing I do especially given that my St. Croix is a slow action rod. You could chop that SA DWE 850 grain head down to 15 feet and still have a 425 grain head. But Airflo has the fastest sinking heads.  That DWE 850 is rated at 9-10 IPS.  A 300 grain Airflo will (purportedly) sink just as fast. Mu

I’ve done that before with a DWE 850 but I *really* didn’t like how they casted.  The Airflo Type 7 on a 15′6" rod isn’t a handful at all and can be brought in quite close.  The rod action allows some loading in tight in the event you just want to fish in front of you and the loops are so smooth, they’ll run through the guides with no problem. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system.  I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick.  On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!! So how do you hook up with 150 freaking feet of line out?

Ken’s right – 15 lbs. of steelie  or 30 lbs. of chinook doesn’t require any finesse – the fish hook themselves and with 15′ 6" of rod in the air, I can move a lot of line.  The furthest out I’ve hooked a fish so far has been about 80′-85′ on a streamer (below Lower Dam on the Rapid – about a 2 1/2 lb. salmon.).  There’s so much current pressure on the line that soon as you feel weight and tighten up, the pressure on the line sets the hook. Avoiding breaking off the fish, is the second biggest challenge.  It is real easy to overpower your tippet with that rod in those conditions.  Hooking up isn’t a big deal, getting ‘em to strike when things are slow – that’s the real challenge. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/whirlpool/spey_casting_the_line_layou… S’a beautiful looking spot.

Here is Mapquest’s rendition of the Whirlpool http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2DA6278 Looks like it’s about 900 across.  And that ain’t slack water in there. Look at the direction of the river (flows northwards).  I slams into the whirlpool in a northwesterly direction and then pours out northeasterly. Or maybe this is just the "shadow" Whirlpool Mu

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loops are so smooth, they’ll run through the guides with no problem.

Are those the seamless polymer loops?  My Rio intermediate shooting head has a loop with some sort of sleeve on it and it does not traverse the guides very well. Mu

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loops are so smooth, they’ll run through the guides with no problem. Are those the seamless polymer loops?  My Rio intermediate shooting head has a loop with some sort of sleeve on it and it does not traverse the guides very well. Mu

Yup, the Head loop is conventional looking but small.  The running line loop is the fused polymer type, very large so it can be slipped over a spool – very well thought out. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Mr Charles,   We are sorry to inform you sir that we will have to cry FOUL on the posting of that picture. To think that someone would have the cajones to post something like that only in the interest of teasing others. A pox upon you sir. Is there room in that whirlpool for 2? –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around.

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–SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around.

Then keep Epps out of the stew. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Mr Charles,  We are sorry to inform you sir that we will have to cry FOUL on the posting of that picture. To think that someone would have the cajones to post something like that only in the interest of teasing others. A pox upon you sir.

nah, nah – I got my pox shots already – a pox back at ya Is there room in that whirlpool for 2?

Well sure, we can always fit in one more.  Just leave the pox at home. –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around.

Ah, I see you’ve met one or two already.  <g Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles: –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around. Ah, I see you’ve met one or two already.  <g Peter

Dave, 4.2L A6

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Charles: –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around. Ah, I see you’ve met one or two already.  <g Peter Dave, 4.2L A6

Perish the thought! This only applies to those guys that drive (and there’s only a few left) those gray Grumman A-6’s. I’ve noticed they aren’t real good around gondola wires. –SteveC– Who lives far too close to 2 naval air stations

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Dave, 4.2L A6 Perish the thought! This only applies to those guys that drive (and there’s only a few left) those gray Grumman A-6’s. I’ve noticed they aren’t real good around gondola wires. –SteveC– Who lives far too close to 2 naval air stations

Ahh, that was a just little too obscure for us.  We’re slipping obviously. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mr Charles,  We are sorry to inform you sir that we will have to cry FOUL on the posting of that picture. To think that someone would have the cajones to post something like that only in the interest of teasing others. A pox upon you sir. nah, nah – I got my pox shots already – a pox back at ya Is there room in that whirlpool for 2? Well sure, we can always fit in one more.  Just leave the pox at home. –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around. Ah, I see you’ve met one or two already.  <g Peter

Unfortunately yes, I have. You can always spot ‘em from a mile off too, they love those big watches! –SteveC– I thought the Avenger was a comic book hero? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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–SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around. Then keep Epps out of the stew.

Frank got it though – who ever said military intelligence is an oxymoron. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

But have they been fishin’? Can they send us a TR? Chris

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

trash snipped — On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State…..    Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

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Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

What does this have to do with skating?

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What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax trash snipped

What does this have to do with skating?

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What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

It is related to Ice Skating in the exact same manner it is related to CD Recorders, GI-Joe toys, Fly Fishing, and Outdoor Travel (cross posted newsgroups).  There is no correlation, it is just some AWM (anger white male) venting their frustrations and showing their ignorance.  It is 2001, even red necks can get on the internet now

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax BY JENNIFER FEEHAN BLADE STAFF WRITER BOWLING GREEN – A black woman who admitted sending racist e-mail messages to herself was placed on probation yesterday for two years and ordered to write a letter of apology to Bowling Green State University students. Omobonike Odegbami, 27, of Toledo, Ohio pleaded guilty Oct. 27 to tampering with evidence, a third-degree felony. Investigators said she reported to BGSU police in April that she had received threatening, racially charged e-mail from an unknown source. A graduate student at the time, she relayed her story to the campus newspaper, which published a front-page story about the case. Campus police enlisted the aid of the FBI, soon zeroing in on classmates and instructors in Odegbami’s small graduate program. She eventually confessed. Odegbami, appearing yesterday in Wood County Common Pleas Court, apologized before Judge Reeve Kelsey but offered no explanation for her actions. She declined to comment after the sentencing. James Wiegand, director of public safety at BGSU, told Judge Kelsey that university officials are "both disappointed and certainly relieved" at the outcome of the case. He said it is disappointing that a student would go to such lengths to get attention, but a relief that the messages were bogus. Wood County Prosecutor Alan Mayberry said he agreed not to seek a prison sentence as part of a plea deal with Odegbami. However, he said he wants her to obtain counseling and apologize in a letter published in the campus newspaper. Odegbami’s attorney, Stanley Garrett, told the judge his client has no prior criminal record, that she accepts responsibility for what she did, and that she is attending the University of Toledo. Judge Kelsey said Odegbami must perform 200 hours of community service during her two years of community control, continue to undergo mental health counseling at her own expense, and pay all court costs. He warned that if she violates those conditions, she could receive more restrictive sanctions, go to jail for up to six months, or to prison for three years. — Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html

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Soltys Says Victims Tried to ‘Poison’ Him  By KPIX – Ann Notarangelo  Investigators say mass murder suspect Nikolay Soltys claims the family members he’s accused of killing were trying to "poison"  him.  However, language difficulties are making it hard for police to determine if that means Soltys believed his family was trying to  murder him, or simply ruin his reputation.  Police do say that the 27-year-old Ukrainian immigrant is cooperating with the investigation. But they won’t comment on reports  that Soltys has already confessed to the crimes, saying that revealing too many details could damage their case in court.  Soltys is now in protective custody in the county jail, to protect him from other inmates and himself. He was arrested Thursday,  outside his mother’s home in a Sacramento suburb.  Soltys is suspected of killing his wife, son, and four other family members, but police say there’s no evidence he went to his  mother’s house to hurt anyone. Instead, investigators thought the Soltys may have been trying to reach out to his mother. It was  that possibility that inspired police to quietly watch the home since the family chose to leave protective custody earlier this week.  Police also gave Soltys’ mother a panic button to use if her son appeared.  "It’s designed to be a one-button-push call to the 911 operator," said Sgt. Jamie Lewis with the Sacramento County Sheriff’s  Department. "Ultimately, they decided not to use this device, because they wanted to put some distance between them and the  suspect."  But police say that decision backfired. When the family tried to call 911 on the cell phone authorities had also given them, they  mistakenly dialed 119. A store clerk eventually helped them make the call.

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I’m gonna avoid the rush and start hating you now! I Love the north country and wish I could get back there. Any room in your luggage for me?? Enjoy! Dan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay guys — I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great white north to slug it out with the toothy critters.  Am also packing a fly rod and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling.  As I’ve never caught a Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect.  My goal for Northern Pike seven pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 pounder. Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all about it when I return.  See you in late July! —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com

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Hey Rob, On your way north, stop and pick me up…ok?  Go gettum tiger and remember, those aren’t bass you’re catching so don’t try to lip them.  :) —

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Good luck, Rob. We are with you in spirit at least. — Bob Rickard SECRET WEAPON — World’s absolute finest spinnerbaits! All others are now obsolete . . . See for yourself at http://inetsa.com/user/secretweapon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay guys — I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great white north to slug it out with the toothy critters.  Am also packing a fly rod and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling.  As I’ve never caught a Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect.  My goal for Northern Pike seven pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 pounder. Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all about it when I return.  See you in late July! —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com

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Okay guys — I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great white north to slug it out with the toothy critters.  Am also packing a fly rod and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling.  As I’ve never caught a Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect.  My goal for Northern Pike pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 pounder.   Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all about it when I return.  See you in late July! —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com

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Have a great trip Rob.  If your wife packed your clothes, check your tackle box for your underwear. — Consider Him

| Okay guys — | I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great | white north to slug it out with the toothy critters.  Am also packing a fly rod | and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling.  As I’ve never caught a | Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect.  My goal for Northern Pike seven | pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these | waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 | pounder. | | Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all | about it when I return.  See you in late July! | —– | Family, Friends, Fishing | Rob Storm | http://www.stormsrestaurants.com

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Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing) Thanks, T. Bell

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Lots of fishing around Boulder, however, May and June are generally runoff months and the local streams could be running mud. There are numerous small alpine lakes within a fairly short drive. Some you can drive to, the better ones require a hike. E-mail me before you arrive and I can get you some current info. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing) Thanks, T. Bell

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Depending on runoff conditions, you could just walk over to Boulder Creek right in town. For famous tailwaters the South Platte, Blue and Frying Pan are only 2-3 hours driving from Boulder. If you are here at peak runoff (which will be short this year unless we get some more snow) try higher streams in and around Rocky Mountain National Park, about an hour away if you don’t drive the canyon roads like I do.  ;-) Feel free to drop me a note when you get closer to fishing time for more current conditions. In May and June spring runoff is perhaps the greatest factor in choosing a place to fish, and conditions can change from day to day. Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing) Thanks, T. Bell

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Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing)

    South Boulder Creek, below Gross Reservoir.  Get a map – hike down the hill. You’ll be glad you did,  it’s worth finding. JE

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This got me to thinking:  At what distance do you normally catch your fish?  For me the answer is less than 50 feet, usually more like 30 feet.  On the rivers I fish, if I drop a dry   100 feet up-stream and I get an immediate rise, I can’t set the hook. Now, this just might be this old curmudgeon’s inability to react in time, but I don’t think so.  

The areas I fish are usually less than 40ft across, so I rarely have out more than 30ft of line out.  When trying to reach a section just off the opposite bank and up/downstream a bit I’ll have maybe 50ft out.  I find that presentation is FAR more important than distance, so I use lightweight slow action rods most of the time. It’s fine by me if everyone wants the extra-fast actions, it makes those the high-end/high-priced models and I can get a slow/moderate action rod for cheaper.  To each his own. Later,      - Ken — "To listen to some devout people, one would imagine that God never laughs."         – Ghose Aurobindo

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<<G  Been there.  Done that.  Possible exception being the Chatooga. Dave

True, but even there most of my casts are pretty short (sometimes just due to other fishermen<g). The only times I’ve really _had_ to cast a long ways have been in saltwater. Like you said, presentation (and line control) are more important to the way I normally fish than distance. — Charlie…

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I got started in fly fishing in a tournament casting club.  I really enjoyed the competition and it greatly enhanced my fishing skills. The advantage of distance casting, I find really depends on the type of fishing your involved in.  As you say, with trout I probably catch most my fish within 50 feet.  However, in the Salt for bonito the longer the cast the longer the retrieve and more water covered.  Sometimes lake fishing I see fish rising at quite a distance and the long cast allows me to catch the fish. I love to fish for Bluegill,  those little buggers are always located way back behind the reeds and I’m fishing from shore.  The long cast with my 4 wt is critical for this type of fishing. The long cast is not always necessary, but it sure is a handy tool.  So I’ll give you my answer to those trying to find a better casting rod.  The better casting rod is found in your closet, the trick is to force it to practice, practice, and then practice it some more.  This method for creating a better casting rod is so good that the rod will even teach the other rods in your closet how to cast better!! Good Luck, Bill — William Endicott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At a recent fly fishing show, I saw folks trying their damndest to get as much line out as possible — regular Lefty Kreh’s they were.  Now, double hauling might be important when fishing salt, but I fail to see why *distance* is the primary concern when casting.  Double haulting a 3 or 4 weight?  Presentation is more important than distance (imho) when fishing with light tackle to trout and salmon, yet here stands a guy double hauling a 3 weight and doing his utmost to get to the end of the casting pool, instead of seeing how lightly he can place the casting yarn on the water, how easily he can turn over the leader. This got me to thinking:  At what distance do you normally catch your fish?  For me the answer is less than 50 feet, usually more like 30 feet.  On the rivers I fish, if I drop a dry   100 feet up-stream and I get an immediate rise, I can’t set the hook. Now, this just might be this old curmudgeon’s inability to react in time, but I don’t think so.   When nymphing, my casts are typically only 20 feet, the less line on the water the better, but I may cast farther simply to let the fly sink to the correct zone. I would appreciate your comments.  Why the macho distance crap with light tackle? Dave LaCourse

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Now saltwater, there’s a place you need to cast distance.  Because the thing is, even if you don’t need to throw your whole line, you ned the technique that enables you to.  Why?  Wind.  In the salt, you’re quite often casting into very stiff breezes, where throwing forty or fifty feet of line requires the same mechanics that throwing 80 – 100 feet does.

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At a recent fly fishing show, I saw folks trying their damndest to get as much line out as possible — regular Lefty Kreh’s they were.  Now, double hauling might be important when fishing salt,

There is a difference between "fishing" and "casting".   Are you sure those guys were not just "feeling" the new rod out? A lot of the competition casters would push a new rod to find its limits and get a "feel" for the rod. Whenever I go to a casting pond, I’d work on certain aspects of casting stroke, be it timeing or power snap etc. I’d double haul a 3 wt if I feel I need to work on the timing aspects of the haul etc.. A 3 wt will not tire me out as much as a 5wt or 8 wt, and I get more out of a practice session when I am not tired and fighting the rod all the time. In other words, I practice "casting", not "fishing" at the casting pond. I fish Deschutes all the time, and I rarely think about loop control, timing or any other aspects of casting when I am on the river; it’s all automatic. I also rarely use more than  20 feet of line when I am fishing. In other words, I just fish whenever I am on the river.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself. sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt Another piece of advice, if you gotta void DON’t do it in the water if you are waist deep. Walk to the shore and do it in the bushes. It’s a little known fact, sharks home on human urine. Be sure not to take it out when you are waist deep and go.                                                        John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.         john, dammit, you blew it!  here we were, about to complete an honest to god, serious, informative, boring, lifeless thread, and here you come with some witty, lively humor.  we just must purge roff of such trash!         your anal retentive buddy,         wayno wayno

 But I was serious (sob sob). Does no one take me seriously. Now that youve negated my advice by relegating it to humor, don’t blame me if the advice is not taken and the worm is.                                                            John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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don’t blame me if the advice is not taken and the worm is.

Stop it John! Your killing me! Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach, Florida "Lie ? Me ? Never!  No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun !" – Captain Hook

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Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself.

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Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself.

sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt

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There are places to wade around there but, as others have suggested, get a guide – at least for a day. Oh, and do wear shoes and shuffle your feet when you walk so you don’t step on a ray. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll be in the Florida Keys the week of Thanksgiving.  I’m hoping to catch my first Bonefish.  However, I know nothing about the Keys or Bonefish.  To further complicate things I’m a relatively new fly fisherman. So any information/tips would be most welcome.  I’ll be staying in Islamorada.  I do not have a boat so I’ll be wading. Questions. 1. Where should I fish? 2. What time of the day should I fish?  Or is it what part of the tide do I fish? 3. Any pointers on fly fishing for bonefish would be helpful. 4. Any dangers I should know about?  Should I wear shoes?  Is there bad things to step on? Many thanks, David PS I heard Harry Harris park is a good place to fish.  Is this true? Also, I’ll have my Golden Retriever along.  Where can I take her when I’m not fishing?

– Charlie…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself. sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt Another piece of advice, if you gotta void DON’t do it in the water if you are waist deep. Walk to the shore and do it in the bushes. It’s a little known fact, sharks home on human urine. Be sure not to take it out when you are waist deep and go.                                                        John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

        john, dammit, you blew it!  here we were, about to complete an honest to god, serious, informative, boring, lifeless thread, and here you come with some witty, lively humor.  we just must purge roff of such trash!         your anal retentive buddy,         wayno wayno

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Hire a guide. He will teach you more in one day than you can learn in a year by yourself. sage advise. oh yeah…wear some shoes. stingrays are painful. –Wataugan Walt

Another piece of advice, if you gotta void DON’t do it in the water if you are waist deep. Walk to the shore and do it in the bushes. It’s a little known fact, sharks home on human urine. Be sure not to take it out when you are waist deep and go.                                                         John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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Hi, I’ll be in the Florida Keys the week of Thanksgiving.  I’m hoping to catch my first Bonefish.  However, I know nothing about the Keys or Bonefish.  To further complicate things I’m a relatively new fly fisherman. So any information/tips would be most welcome.  I’ll be staying in Islamorada.  I do not have a boat so I’ll be wading. Questions. 1. Where should I fish? 2. What time of the day should I fish?  Or is it what part of the tide do I fish? 3. Any pointers on fly fishing for bonefish would be helpful. 4. Any dangers I should know about?  Should I wear shoes?  Is there bad things to step on? Many thanks, David PS I heard Harry Harris park is a good place to fish.  Is this true? Also, I’ll have my Golden Retriever along.  Where can I take her when I’m not fishing?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just tell him to get rid of it, and its chickenshit to treat a wild thing like that. If he threatens you walk out. Unless he plans on running for President, one chickenshit from Texas per decade is probably enough. Dave     "Darlene stood above the second box, praying hard.  Then she gradually moved her good hand and slid it under the larger of the two rattlesnakes in the box.  It was a mild October night, and the snake was alert.  At her touch, it peeled off a tight drumroll of rattles and withdrew its head sharply.  But it did not strike.  The texture of its skin against her palm reminded her of warm, dry varnish, and she remembered how good snakehandling could feel  Then she felt Glenn’s hold on her hair loosen.     ‘OK,’ he said.  His vice was hollow, perplexed.  ’I'm going to let you live since the Lord let you handle that one’  Glenn was impressed.  All drunk and mussed up, Darlene had just handled the meanest of all his snakes. It was like the best of times in church, when God turned the strike aside and you could just feel the victory all over you.  He hadn’t expected it that way.  For now, all the murder in him was gone.  He felt uncertain how to proceed.  In the end, he led her outside and walked her to the Chevy, even lending an arm for support.  They sat in the car, listening to the night-birds in the woods, and for a long time neither spoke. Darlene was beginning to feel real bad.  The pain around the bite was extreme, hot as a hob you’d whip your hand off if only you could.  The whole left had looked swollen now, the skin stretched in an unfamiliar way.  She felt nauseous and dizzy.  Shapes were appearing in front of her eyes, little glittery yellow lozenges that fluttered like falling leaves…" Nothin’ like that in "Weekly Reader", huh?         While "Katrina" is rubbing y’alls naughty parts, there are some interesting things going on in this world.  Read a book* or something some time. Wolfgang *"The Snakebite Survivor’s Club: Travels Among Serpents", Jeremy Seal, Harcourt, Inc., 1999, for example.

or… "feast of snakes", by harry crews; and, "Salvation on Sand Mountain: Snake Handling and Redemption in Southern Appalachia" by Dennis Covington.  or, simply attend one of the little clapboard-sided churches filled with pentecostals around triplett, nc (near boone)… jeff

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Just tell him to get rid of it, and its chickenshit to treat a wild thing like that. If he threatens you walk out. Unless he plans on running for President, one chickenshit from Texas per decade is probably enough. Dave

    "Darlene stood above the second box, praying hard.  Then she gradually moved her good hand and slid it under the larger of the two rattlesnakes in the box.  It was a mild October night, and the snake was alert.  At her touch, it peeled off a tight drumroll of rattles and withdrew its head sharply.  But it did not strike.  The texture of its skin against her palm reminded her of warm, dry varnish, and she remembered how good snakehandling could feel  Then she felt Glenn’s hold on her hair loosen.     ‘OK,’ he said.  His vice was hollow, perplexed.  ’I'm going to let you live since the Lord let you handle that one’  Glenn was impressed.  All drunk and mussed up, Darlene had just handled the meanest of all his snakes. It was like the best of times in church, when God turned the strike aside and you could just feel the victory all over you.  He hadn’t expected it that way.  For now, all the murder in him was gone.  He felt uncertain how to proceed.  In the end, he led her outside and walked her to the Chevy, even lending an arm for support.  They sat in the car, listening to the night-birds in the woods, and for a long time neither spoke. Darlene was beginning to feel real bad.  The pain around the bite was extreme, hot as a hob you’d whip your hand off if only you could.  The whole left had looked swollen now, the skin stretched in an unfamiliar way.  She felt nauseous and dizzy.  Shapes were appearing in front of her eyes, little glittery yellow lozenges that fluttered like falling leaves…" Nothin’ like that in "Weekly Reader", huh?         While "Katrina" is rubbing y’alls naughty parts, there are some interesting things going on in this world.  Read a book* or something some time. Wolfgang *"The Snakebite Survivor’s Club: Travels Among Serpents", Jeremy Seal, Harcourt, Inc., 1999, for example.

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I do ROFF for the books, man, the books. Bill who finished Heinrich and has moved on to The Race to Save the Lord God Bird… with a brief P. D. James break.  (and who needs an extension for his homework assignment….)

Well, young man, it’s high time you learned about responsibility.  There is NO acceptable excuse for lateness!  You’ve known about these assignments for months.  There will be no extension.  In fact, I think you can just add reviews of ALL THREE of those books to the list! Wolfgang yeah, i know, book reports……EEEEEEEWWWWWW!……too bad!      :(

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 I guess there’s something to be said for the urbanity of Atlanta after all.      

shitfire man, you ARE snakebit.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *"The Snakebite Survivor’s Club: Travels Among Serpents", Jeremy Seal, Harcourt, Inc., 1999, for example. or… "feast of snakes", by harry crews; and, "Salvation on Sand Mountain: Snake Handling and Redemption in Southern Appalachia" by Dennis Covington. Dang…..never would have picked you for a herpetophile! or, simply attend one of the little clapboard-sided churches filled with pentecostals around triplett, nc (near boone)… All the churches I attended during my tenure south of the M/D line, while they served up bountiful victuals worthy of a seven star restaurant and leavened liberally with an apparently profound faith, failed to include rattlesnake either on the menu or in the service.  I guess there’s something to be said for the urbanity of Atlanta after all.       Wolfgang well shit, MORE additions to the "to be read" list.        :(

I do ROFF for the books, man, the books. Bill who finished Heinrich and has moved on to The Race to Save the Lord God Bird… with a brief P. D. James break.  (and who needs an extension for his homework assignment….)

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*"The Snakebite Survivor’s Club: Travels Among Serpents", Jeremy Seal, Harcourt, Inc., 1999, for example. or… "feast of snakes", by harry crews; and, "Salvation on Sand Mountain: Snake Handling and Redemption in Southern Appalachia" by Dennis Covington.

Dang…..never would have picked you for a herpetophile! or, simply attend one of the little clapboard-sided churches filled with pentecostals around triplett, nc (near

boone)… All the churches I attended during my tenure south of the M/D line, while they served up bountiful victuals worthy of a seven star restaurant and leavened liberally with an apparently profound faith, failed to include rattlesnake either on the menu or in the service.  I guess there’s something to be said for the urbanity of Atlanta after all.       Wolfgang well shit, MORE additions to the "to be read" list.        :(

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I need help and I don’t know where to go for the answer. Be kind! My husband found a rattlesnake while working outside San Antiono and he put this snake in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid and holes for air. The snake is now living in my garage and I don’t like it! I want to put the snake in the freezer so it doesn’t have to suffer any longer without my husband knowing. I don’t want a snanke any where near my kids. I poor snake has been in the bucket for over a month without food. How long will it take to "freeze" it ? It would be more humaine to kill it now instead of letting it suffer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I will soon begin receiving partridge, wood duck and pheasant skins from : friends hunting this fall. : What should I do to cure the skins without harming the feathers? It’s easy. Just takes a little time to do it right… 1. First, you want to strectch the skin out on a board (plywood works) so that the feathers are down under the skin. Pin it down with tacks or brads. The skin does not need to be drum tight, just so that it won’t wiggle around as you work on it. 2. Scrape off as much fat as possible with a dull knife or round edged scraper. With bird skins you need to be careful so that you don’t pull the skin apart in the process. Just get most of the fat. To much fat left on the skin gets into the feathers after a while. 3. Salt down the skin. Cover it under a layer of non-iodized table salt. (It is cheaper than iodized)  Many prefer to use borox instead. The trick here is to cover it completely just on the skin side. Let it sit for a day or two and then scrape it off and put on a fresh layer of salt. Do it again if you still see the salt pulling moisture out of the skin. 4. After about two weeks of the salt treatment, scrape off the final layer of salt removing all that you possibly can. I like to use a brush to completely remove the salt. Store the skins in ziplock bags or air tight boxes to keep the bugs out. Moth ball or cedar chips can help with that. I still have skins that I have salted from several years ago using this method. The feathers are still good. Jon Porter

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I need help and I don’t know where to go for the answer. Be kind! My husband found a rattlesnake while working outside San Antiono and he put this snake in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid and holes for air. The snake is now living in my garage and I don’t like it! I want to put the snake in the freezer so it doesn’t have to suffer any longer without my husband knowing. I don’t want a snanke any where near my kids. I poor snake has been in the bucket for over a month without food. How long will it take to "freeze" it ? It would be more humaine to kill it now instead of letting it suffer.

Just tell him to get rid of it, and its chickenshit to treat a wild thing like that. If he threatens you walk out. Unless he plans on running for President, one chickenshit from Texas per decade is probably enough. Dave

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I will soon begin receiving partridge, wood duck and pheasant skins from friends hunting this fall. What should I do to cure the skins without harming the feathers? Thanks, Tom Guntzel

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: I will soon begin receiving partridge, wood duck and pheasant skins from : friends hunting this fall. : What should I do to cure the skins without harming the feathers? It’s easy. Just takes a little time to do it right… 1. First, you want to strectch the skin out on a board (plywood works) so that the feathers are down under the skin. Pin it down with tacks or brads. The skin does not need to be drum tight, just so that it won’t wiggle around as you work on it. 2. Scrape off as much fat as possible with a dull knife or round edged scraper. With bird skins you need to be careful so that you don’t pull the skin apart in the process. Just get most of the fat. To much fat left on the skin gets into the feathers after a while. 3. Salt down the skin. Cover it under a layer of non-iodized table salt. (It is cheaper than iodized)  Many prefer to use borox instead. The trick here is to cover it completely just on the skin side. Let it sit for a day or two and then scrape it off and put on a fresh layer of salt. Do it again if you still see the salt pulling moisture out of the skin. 4. After about two weeks of the salt treatment, scrape off the final layer of salt removing all that you possibly can. I like to use a brush to completely remove the salt. Store the skins in ziplock bags or air tight boxes to keep the bugs out. Moth ball or cedar chips can help with that. I still have skins that I have salted from several years ago using this method. The feathers are still good. Jon Porter

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I will soon begin receiving partridge, wood duck and pheasant skins from friends hunting this fall. What should I do to cure the skins without harming the feathers? Thanks, Tom Guntzel

I usualy stretch the skin on a piece of plywood and apply table salt to it. A lot of it, cover the whole skin thoroughly. I then let it sit there for 10 to 15 days. I let the skin dry in the sun or somewhere warm for about one week. I make sur ethat there are no living bugs underneath th feathers by placing the skin in a bag with some moth balls or christals for about 5 to 7 days. Be careful with bird skins, they are very delicate when dried. Mike http://www.titan.qc.ca/moucheux

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Hi Tom, Here’s what I have done not only with bird skins but small animals and one large rattlesnake. First you want to remove as much fat from the skin as possible.  This is most efficiently and easily done by stretching the skin out and tacking it to a board (feathers down, skin up) and then by scraping the fat off with a smooth edged butter knife.  Don’t rush it and don’t worry about the small stuff that doesn’t want to come off.. Next take some rock salt, spread it over the skin, rub it in and then off of the skin.  This will remove more fat and with a couple of applications like this should have the skin fairly fat free. If you really want to get carried away you can use regular salt on the last application. Finally, cover with Borax and let it dry for at least a week, preferably two.  Brush off the residue of the Borax powder and store in zip lock bags.   The result will be a clean dry cured skin that is in better shape than the stuff you buy in the stores.  It will also smell much better because there is no fat left on the hide to turn rancid.  Skins cured in this manner will last indefinitely as long as you protect them from insect infestation (keeping them in zip lock bags).  I still have a rattlesnake skin I cured with this method in 1970 and a number of bird skins from the early 1980’s.a  But then of course, I keep everything because you never can tell when you’re going to need that particular material for a top secret fly.   ;^                                      Hope this helps,                                              Dan PS I didn’t use the rattlesnake skin for fly tying.  Too noisy – afraid I’d scare the fish away. Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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: PS I didn’t use the rattlesnake skin for fly tying.  Too noisy – afraid : I’d scare the fish away. Shoot…. They put rattles in LURES to ATTRACT the fish!  <g  I think that is you and I put our heads together, we could come up with a fly using those rattles!  <g Jon Porter

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In my limited experience (one pheasant skin), rubbing hand lotion into the skin after it’s been dried makes it a lot less brittle. Andy Lamborne

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I will soon begin receiving partridge, wood duck and pheasant skins from : friends hunting this fall. : What should I do to cure the skins without harming the feathers? It’s easy. Just takes a little time to do it right… 1. First, you want to strectch the skin out on a board (plywood works) so that the feathers are down under the skin. Pin it down with tacks or brads. The skin does not need to be drum tight, just so that it won’t wiggle around as you work on it. 2. Scrape off as much fat as possible with a dull knife or round edged scraper. With bird skins you need to be careful so that you don’t pull the skin apart in the process. Just get most of the fat. To much fat left on the skin gets into the feathers after a while. 3. Salt down the skin. Cover it under a layer of non-iodized table salt. (It is cheaper than iodized)  Many prefer to use borox instead. The trick here is to cover it completely just on the skin side. Let it sit for a day or two and then scrape it off and put on a fresh layer of salt. Do it again if you still see the salt pulling moisture out of the skin. 4. After about two weeks of the salt treatment, scrape off the final layer of salt removing all that you possibly can. I like to use a brush to completely remove the salt. Store the skins in ziplock bags or air tight boxes to keep the bugs out. Moth ball or cedar chips can help with that. I still have skins that I have salted from several years ago using this method. The feathers are still good. Jon Porter

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Can anyone tell me how good fly fishing is around Pennsylvania or Michigan is?  Any Brown Trout?? E-mail would be appreciated. Thanks Dave

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: Can anyone tell me how good fly fishing is around Pennsylvania or Michigan : is?  Any Brown Trout?? : E-mail would be appreciated. : Thanks : Dave I can shed some light on fishing in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula around the Keweenaw Peninsula. The streams are generally small, about twenty feet across or less.  There are a couple of exceptions. From my experience, Rainbow Trout are the most prevalent followed by Brook Trout.  There are a few browns to be had. I have found the fishing to be wonderful.  Lots of fish but don’t expect much past twelve inches and most are around eight.  Every summer I seem to catch one or two in the fifteen inch class but you can’t count on this.   There are many streams in the region and most hold trout.  The key is to get off the beaten path and you will likely have the place to yourself. Now, this year’s snowfall was quite high.  We totalled out at 327 inches and lots of that is still on the ground tring to melt.  Consequently, right now the rivers across much of the U.P. are quite high and will be that way for some time.  I don’t expect the fishing to get any good for another month or so. *sigh*   I have two pictures of typical rivers in this area at the end of my web page.  I also give some information on what flies I have found to be most effective. Regards, Steve Kernosky http://www.me.mtu.edu/~skkernos/

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Does anyone know?

(if the fishing is good) D.P.  

I have not been to Bright Angel campground in about 10 years, and when I was there, did not fish, but… There were tremendous numbers of large trout to be seen!  Anyone with a rod down there did very well.  One co-worker said it was kind of a pain, you caught a trout on every cast, no matter what you did! Ron

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I have fished Bright Angel Creek, working my way up from the campground a mile or so. I caught a 14" brookie and a 17" rainbow in about a half hour. One was on a Gold-ribbed Hare’s Ear and the other was on a  weighted "Ted Fay" Yellow jacket pattern. Look for places where the current sweeps under the rocks.  Cast well upstream so the fly can sink and be swept down under. Few people flyfish – most use lures or Salmon egges.  You will out fish them I guarantee. Big fish can be seen jumping in the main river but every time I’ve been there the clarity was so limited I stayed in the clear creek. Good luck! May the wild fish live to spawn, and may the brood of their progeny break the tippets of our grandchildren!

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   Hey, go and take your gear. Different times of the year will bring different conditions. During Aug and Sept when the canyon gets it’s heaviest rain fall, it might not be too great but any other time you might get a wonderful surprise!    We fished from the put in at Lee’s Ferry for about five days downstream before the river got too murky, from storms, to do any good. The main river will produce two to ten pound trout which I have seen! We ate a few.    Very few of the rafters fish, or even carry the gear to fish. This is due to limited space, especially for something as long and fragile as a flyrod. Or fear of loss due to flipping.      I have not hear that bio-degradeable soaps had any effect on the fishery of anystream any kind of usage such as the Colorado. The fish are voracious and will hit just about anything you put   good luck! and great hike!!                 -t                                     =8^)

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Hey, go and take your gear. Different times of the year will bring different conditions. During Aug and Sept when the canyon gets it’s heaviest rain fall, it might not be too great but any other time you might get a wonderful surprise!

Thanks, for the tip, hopefully I’ll have some fish stories to tell when I return. D.P.

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You might as well enjoy the trip, because the AZ dept of Game and Fish is being pressured to remove all bag limits on trout in the Canyon, possibly starting next year.  There and elsewhere in the state, trout (except Apache and Gila) are being treated by the federal courts as the enemy of native species, even though most of the ecosystems in which trout have taken home — the Canyon is an obvious example — have been permanently transformed from what they were when squawfish and humpbacks ruled the waves.  For the next few years, the trout fishery at Lees Ferry will be unaffected by the squawfish regulations, and AzGF thinks it might even improve if the releases through Glen Canyon Dam are a couple degress warmer.  On the other hand, the Bureau of Reclamation is talking about blasting a 50,000 (yeah, 5 K) cfs release through Glen Canyon Dam in March or April 1995, just to see what it will do for beaches, etc in the Grand Canyon.  Whatever it does to those beaches, it will blast the hell out of the barely restored fishery at the Ferry. -bruce pencek

: Hey, go and take your gear. Different times of the year will : bring different conditions. During Aug and Sept when the canyon : gets it’s heaviest rain fall, it might not be too great but : any other time you might get a wonderful surprise! : Thanks, for the tip, hopefully I’ll have some fish stories to tell when I : return. — Political Science, Box 455029    ~  as eternal salvation — come by grace and University of Nevada, Las Vegas  ~   grace comes by art and art does not come Las Vegas, NV  89154-5029        ~   easy."                 — Norman Maclean

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Pencek) writes: On the other hand, the Bureau of Reclamation is talking about blasting a 50,000 (yeah, 5 K) cfs release through Glen Canyon Dam in March or April 1995, just to see what it will do for beaches, etc in the Grand Canyon.  Whatever it does to those beaches, it will blast the hell out of the barely restored fishery at the Ferry.

Ah, the glory of government, it certainly is dumbfounding how these thought processes come about, and we pay for them. D.P.

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Does anyone know? I’m planning a hiking/camping  tripfor a two night stay at the bottom of the Grand Canyon in October and was wondering if it would be worth while to carry the weight of the fly fishing gear.  I would be at Bright Angel Creek and the Colorado River.  Is the fishing there any good, or have all the fish been killed or spooked by all the rafters.  I’ve also heard that the high concentration of bio-degradable soap from all the campers has done a number on the fish, is this true? If the fishing is worthwhile what sort of line/leader/flies should I bring?   And advice would be appreciated. Thank You D.P.  

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