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Nice reports Warren, thanks. — Charlie…

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 The Missouri is a lot different than any other waters I have fished. It was a little difficult for me to decipher because it is so slow moving.  All the other tail waters I have fished have had a lot more current to them.  I am not saying that the Missouri is weak, but it is wide, deep and pretty structureless.   I don

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Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on.

Just when you thought they couldn’t get funnier… — Charlie…

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____  I can take ass chewing when its justified, but you like everyone else don’t do your homework.  Why don’t you go back to the beginning and realize that I don’t take anyone on unless they attack me unjustly. That has been the case every time.  Check the treads Tom. If what you say about Wayne is true, then I’ve been duped by him and now you. Frankly, your attack on me is also off base.  Roff has turned into a vile place and has been needing a moderator for several years now.  I can assure you, starting from scratch, I’d be the last one a moderator would need to correct. If there is correcting to do, I’d say you’re off base on this one.  If you go back and TAKE INVENTORY my friend, you will see that it was Wayne that started writing dribble to me when in fact up to that point I never did that and if so in the past, it was so minor as to be just humorous and friendly barbs about lawyers.   Go back and check Tom.  If you dare.  I never attacked Wayne because he never provoked me until the posts prior to my challenge on what possibly could cause a reasonable man to say the things he said.  Consider this. If anyone in the future, from this POINT on . . . smart mouths me, which I won’t instigate, you take note of it pal.  I don’t call you Brownie, I don’t demean your name, I don’t call you any kind of names and I’ve always treated you with respect.  But when you come charging at me fighting other people’s battles which THEY start, then I say you’re sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong and you do not know the treads or those who start them. So, politely leave me alone regarding retorts.  I’m not here to impress you or to talk ill of you.  I would do that in private.  So you and the other feeding sharks who have no idea what the hell you’re doing, should do your home work before you. Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.  Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on. Let’s see, who throws the first stone after you Tom. I promise, it is never me. Get back to fly fishing everyone and clean up your acts before you start trying to correct me.  And don’t dig up old stuff out of context.  That also doesn’t fly anymore as it is self serving and those NEVER show the instigators I have challenged. Lately, do me a favor Tom.  Do everyone here a favor.  If EVER anyone demeans anyone in the slightest way, why don’t you point that out immediately in the future?   You be a test moderator and let’s see who gets to 10 points first. Think about it. Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay? — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.   Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay?

so which is it?  bad or not bad? <G cb

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Yes, Mu did do a nice job.  But Fortenberry?? <sad result of mixing medications snipped Casting pearls before swine … sigh. — Ken Fortenberry

Tell me sir, what hatch would you be matching? Peter

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Great post, Mu.   Thanks George Adams

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Spat!! Dam zooplancton fiends. Dave Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An oyster hatch, of course…

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Hi, I am interested in trying my hand a fly fishing this Spring, and I have been given a Horrocks Ibbotson Model 1104 bakelite fly reel and a Langley fly rod that is about 8′ long and came in an aluminum tube.  Everything is in real nice shape, and the reel has the original box.  This set looks to be from the 30’s or 40’s(?) and I am wondering as to whether it would be better to try and learn on this vintage equipment, or sell it/trade it and try and get a more modern outfit.  Any suggestions appreciated, especially if any one can tell me what weight line I should equip it with or have any other hints.  Please email Thank you, Jim K Media, PA  

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Jim, Horrocks-Ibbotson rods were very cheap, production rods.  Even ones in good shape aren’t worth much today.  Go ahead and fish it ot your heart’s delight. Pete C

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I’m going to be canoeing in the Allagash this summer (late July/August).  Any thoughts in this group on what the fishing up there is like?  I’ve heard it’s not very good.  Should I even bother?  What should/shouldn’t I take.   Obviously I need to minimize the gear I will be taking. John

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Hi John, I am  Maine Guide and have did the Allagash many times. There certain times of the year when you can catch all the brook trout you want, then there are times you wish you had stayed home. Usually June and the early part of July are the best. If you fly fish bring a Wordens Worry, if you don’t fly fish dig your worms and grubs along the bank. Then there are those excellent trout p[onds all along the way. Good luck!!!! Gene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be canoeing in the Allagash this summer (late July/August). Any thoughts in this group on what the fishing up there is like?  I’ve heard it’s not very good.  Should I even bother?  What should/shouldn’t I take. Obviously I need to minimize the gear I will be taking. John

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Pick up the latest edition of Western Fly Fishing. There is a piece on "Wine Country Steelhead" that might interest you.

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I’m looking for information on fly fishing in the California "Wine country" area.  Where to go during early April.

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I’m looking for information on fly fishing in the California "Wine country" area.  Where to go during early April.

The Russian river has smallmouth bass, maybe some early shad and maybe a couple of stripers at this time? Good bass pond if you can get on them. Coastal winter steelheading is over in March. Trout season in Sierras opens the last Saturday in April but water will be high. Some lake will be OK for trout. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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It looks like I will be attending a conference at Disneyland in Anneheim early next month.  Any flyfishing (fresh or Saltwater) in this area ? I am willing to travel within reason. I am not from the USA, so if you specify a fish species, please also add any info on line weights, flies etc, as I noticed on my last trip to the USA that fish names vary considerably around the world. Are there any good shops in the area who could advise me ? Thanks Bruce…..

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It looks like I will be attending a conference at Disneyland in Anneheim early next month.  Any flyfishing (fresh or Saltwater) in this area ? I am willing to travel within reason. I am not from the USA, so if you specify a fish species, please also add any info on line weights, flies etc, as I noticed on my last trip to the USA that fish names vary considerably around the world. Are there any good shops in the area who could advise me ? Thanks Bruce…..

– I’m not sure about the actual fishing in that immediate area, but you’ll be within a long cast with a shooting head of one of the biggest fly shops around – Bob Marriott’s.  DON’T miss it… and set yourself a budget before you walk in the door. <<grin Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |   Fairfield, OH 45018  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |  New Dimensions In Filk!

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I have gone up to the Sault for about 4 years now using standard spinning gear sn spoons for the Pink Salmon.  I have to say, despite seeing lots of fish, the "cast per fish" ratio is outrageous.  We would catch 1-2 each for about 8 hours of fishing.  I have heard that fly fishing for them is MUCH better, and I’m looking for advice on where and how to catch them.  I live in Michigan.  Thanks

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I have gone up to the Sault for about 4 years now using standard spinning gear sn spoons for the Pink Salmon.  I have to say, despite seeing lots of fish, the "cast per fish" ratio is outrageous.  We would catch 1-2 each for about 8 hours of fishing.  I have heard that fly fishing for them is MUCH better, and I’m looking for advice on where and how to catch them.  I live in Michigan.  

Two local guides, one Canadian and one US, feature in Linsenman, Bob, and Steve Nevala Great Lakes Steelhead: a Guided Tour for Fly Anglers Backcountry Pubs., Woodstock Vt. (1995) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Due to the assumption that most people reading this news group are quite versed in FF and their needs in regard to the sport, please entertain me with answering these questions in regard to what would you want to see in a FF Shop?   Listed below are some areas that I have found to be lacking in some stores I have visited.  Please tell me if you think this would be of interest to fly fishers.  If not elaborate on what should be done to make it more useful to a FF customer. Thanks. *Sales staff-knowledgable, yet friendly. *A comfortable seating area with reading materials (i.e. books that are for sale in the shop and current FF magazines publications.  Also a t.v. for viewing videos being sold in the shop.) *Early hours on the weekends (i.e. opening at 5am) *Late hours on the weekdays (i.e. closing at 8pm) *Customers can view FF on the internet with a terminal set up in the shop and can get print outs from BBS and newsgroups. *An outdoor area to have a chance to cast a rod before purchasing. *Loaner equipment, in order to try out a rod to make sure it

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I am wanting some suggestions for good trout fly fishing in the mountains of western north carolina.  I am new to this art and any help would be appreciated. — Michael Ebbs Center for Communications and Signal Processing North Carolina State University

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<< am lookin for information on the western half of North Carolina… In the Ashville area, the fly shop of choice for info is Hunter Banks. I like to fish the Pisgah National Forest, specifically the Davidson River but there are many other near by from GA to Va. If you want your trout easy & big the Cherokee reservation has some tribal stocked waters which they will sell you daily permits. The national park has an abundance of streams.   Also suggest the rivers in the Joyce Kilmer nat forest, as well as the French Broad around Ashville. There is also  fly shop in Cashiers and near Blowing Rock (different shop) for additional info, but the guys at Hunter Banks will give you so much info, you’ll not be able to digest it all at once. Good Luck Wayne Knight — Wayne Knight CSERVE, 71151, 2762

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Just got back from a visit to my folks in Waynesville.  Took a tour of the eastern edge of the Great Smokies.  The Catalooche, and Big Creek in that area are both good although the fish apparently can be a little picky on the Catalooche.  Both streams are gorgeous and as a rule not crowded due to relatively limited road access.

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