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JeffC apparently wrote… I’ve heard this many times – when it’s drizzling or raining or snowing, the such-and-such really start hatching.  I remember the discussion of drying time for wings, but I’m wondering if there’s really something about a rain, even a light drizzle, that nymphs on the bottom can actually detect, and then be caused to respond to by hatching at that time.

Jeff, I don’t think anyone is saying it is the rain, snow or drizzle is what causes the hatch to kick in.  Think light levels during these periods and you should be able to get up to speed. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Got out for a couple of hours today. For the first hour, the fish were taken midges, landed one and stung a couple more. Then heavy cloud cover came out, it started to intermittently rain and the Olives started hatching. I got moved out of the best stretch of water by a couple kids who moved in when they saw me catch a fish. They were flinging bobbers the size of tennis balls over the fish that were rising in less than a foot of water. I told them they would do better in the deep pool under the bridge but….. The stretch that I fished usually doesn’t fish very well until the water levels rise. However, with the cloud cover and the drizzle, the fish had moved into a shallow run to feed on the Olives. Being early in the hatch, it seemed that most fish were taking emergers. I caught a couple fish, then the sun came out and although it continued to drizzle, the Olives and the fish stopped. The sun stayed out for about ten minutes and then it took about another ten before the Olives and the fish started up again. Took one more fish and then it was time to leave. I tried to watch for Olives on the water, both during periods of cloud cover and during the intermittent sunny periods. I could look over a large placid pool and easily see the Olives on the water. Although the hatch wasn’t heavy, during cloudy periods, there were always at least half a dozen  Olives on the pool but none during the sunny periods. It could be that the Olives were flying off more quickly under the sun, but even though the sun was out, it continued to drizzle. Now that Olive "season" has started, I’ll try and make a point of observing this. Willi

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cut ….. Although the  hatch wasn’t heavy, during cloudy periods, there were always at least half a dozen  Olives on the pool but none during the sunny periods.

I’ve noticed this too. I’ve also noticed–especially in the early season leading up to high water and the salmon fly hatch (here in Montana) –that the fishing often turns on and off  semi-instantly, as the sun alternately hides and shows between dark,  early season cloud cover—–even when there is no apparent hatch of any kind. I’ve seen the fishing on the Big Hole go from spectacular to zip in just a few seconds, the minute a bright sun pops out from behind a cloud.  In the early season, I want to see those clam chowder skies…..and no wind.  Maybe that’s what they have in paradise:  60 degrees with fuzzy clouds and a soft rain, and no wind. And lots of trout streams.  On on my way.

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Got out for a couple of hours today. For the first hour, the fish were taken midges, landed one and stung a couple more. Then heavy cloud cover came out, it started to intermittently rain and the Olives started hatching.

How could nymphs "know" that there was rain?  Sun vs. clouds, yes, barometric pressure, maybe, but in riffly water, how about rain?

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How could nymphs "know" that there was rain?  Sun vs. clouds, yes, barometric pressure, maybe, but in riffly water, how about rain?

Impact of rain on surface, chemical change in water, change in surface interaction with "light", stick their heads out and look? GKT

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Got out for a couple of hours today. For the first hour, the fish were taken midges, landed one and stung a couple more. Then heavy cloud cover came out, it started to intermittently rain and the Olives started hatching. How could nymphs "know" that there was rain?  Sun vs. clouds, yes, barometric pressure, maybe, but in riffly water, how about rain?

It was more in response to a comment that we see more Mayflies on the water during cloudy weather because it takes more time for them to dry (seems plausible). Later in my post I talked about not seeing many Mayflies when it was sunny, although it still continued to drizzle. Sun and drizzle at the same time wouldn’t seem to be too conducive to drying. Willi

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It was more in response to a comment that we see more Mayflies on the water during cloudy weather because it takes more time for them to dry (seems plausible). Later in my post I talked about not seeing many Mayflies when it was sunny, although it still continued to drizzle. Sun and drizzle at the same time wouldn’t seem to be too conducive to drying.

I’ve heard this many times – when it’s drizzling or raining or snowing, the such-and-such really start hatching.  I remember the discussion of drying time for wings, but I’m wondering if there’s really something about a rain, even a light drizzle, that nymphs on the bottom can actually detect, and then be caused to respond to by hatching at that time.

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I remember the discussion of drying time for wings, but I’m wondering if there’s really something about a rain, even a light drizzle, that nymphs on the bottom can actually detect, and then be caused to respond to by hatching at that time.

Well, maybe. But it could also be that the duns are on the surface for a longer time in cold drizzley weather, so the hatch seems heavier. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I got a postcard from them saying the newsletter was stopped, but they were going to do articles on the website.  If the website is down the SAA is pretty much gone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let’s be truthful about the SAA.  I was a member if you could call it that.  I donated twenty dollars to get mailings.  There was no formal membership, just a mailing list.  If someone wanted to write some articles and someone wanted to print it it happened.  It was a volunteer organization not much different than any  of the mail lists we are on except that it took donations and used to cover mailing costs.  that is the only difference.  It had some mailings. Remember Paul said he was too tired to start a new EAA all over again. So since there was not much there to begin with except the spirit of those interested.  If the spirit still exists then SAA still exists.  No need to complicate or overstate anything.  Except for the fact that the website is down nothing new or different is happening. The website has been down for a long while and it was not much substance anyway.  Just a few pages by volunteer web developer. So lets be realistic guys and dont blow this out of proportion. Before you buy.

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I got a postcard from them saying the newsletter was stopped, but they were going to do articles on the website.  If the website is down the SAA is pretty much gone.

The fancy magazine was stopped.  One member supported it.  However, the newsletter was NOT stopped.  I got an issue not long ago.  I expect to see Paul at Blakesburg the end of the month.  I will ask him how it is going.  Actually there were some pretty active volunteers who were out signing folks up.   I signed up early on at Blakesburg, leaning on the fence in front of the Groundloop Lounge talking to Paul one year.  That is how I got the number 88! — HighFlyer Highflight Aviation Services

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Let’s be truthful about the SAA.  I was a member if you could call it that.  I donated twenty dollars to get mailings.  There was no formal membership, just a mailing list.  If someone wanted to write some articles and someone wanted to print it it happened.  It was a volunteer organization not much different than any  of the mail lists we are on except that it took donations and used to cover mailing costs.  that is the only difference.  It had some mailings. Remember Paul said he was too tired to start a new EAA all over again. So since there was not much there to begin with except the spirit of those interested.  If the spirit still exists then SAA still exists.  No need to complicate or overstate anything.  Except for the fact that the website is down nothing new or different is happening. The website has been down for a long while and it was not much substance anyway.  Just a few pages by volunteer web developer. So lets be realistic guys and dont blow this out of proportion. Before you buy.

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I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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Eh? I just got my June issue of TO FLY from SAA and there was no mention of disolving.  I’ll keep following it as there should be a gathering of SAA members at the AAA fly-in in September in Ottumwa, Iowa. –Scott– 1986 Corben Junior Ace N3642 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ RV-4 under construction (tail feathers) Gotta Fly or Gonna Die! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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That was a direct copy of the note HQ sent to me…. So what’s the story from Paul P? Can we still join? — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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So what is the URL of SAA?? Seems that the people that "Belong" would be willing to tell in the post, as that was what the question was, not if you recieved your subscription. We KNOW EAA is not going to tell us the URL. As EAA has a publication called Sport Aviation it seems the names are a little to close for comfort. I would think EAA would squelch the name and considering who is supposed to be running it I find it unlikely he would pick a name that close.  Anyone can use any name they want for  .com and who is to know better. Could someone be fishing for input from EAA and ex EAA members on what they would like to see changed in anticipation of a possible "New" EAA division?? John "Flying …. Just about the most fun you can have and still keep your clothes on"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eh? I just got my June issue of TO FLY from SAA and there was no mention of disolving.  I’ll keep following it as there should be a gathering of SAA members at the AAA fly-in in September in Ottumwa, Iowa. –Scott– 1986 Corben Junior Ace N3642 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ RV-4 under construction (tail feathers) Gotta Fly or Gonna Die! I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01 —

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So, while I’m typing search engine is working. http://www.sportaviation.org/ Unfortunately the web site is closed.. John "Flying …. Just about the most fun you can have and still keep your clothes on"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what is the URL of SAA?? Seems that the people that "Belong" would be willing to tell in the post, as that was what the question was, not if you recieved your subscription. We KNOW EAA is not going to tell us the URL. As EAA has a publication called Sport Aviation it seems the names are a little to close for comfort. I would think EAA would squelch the name and considering who is supposed to be running it I find it unlikely he would pick a name that close.  Anyone can use any name they want for  .com and who is to know better. Could someone be fishing for input from EAA and ex EAA members on what they would like to see changed in anticipation of a possible "New" EAA division?? John "Flying …. Just about the most fun you can have and still keep your clothes on" Eh? I just got my June issue of TO FLY from SAA and there was no mention of disolving.  I’ll keep following it as there should be a gathering of SAA members at the AAA fly-in in September in Ottumwa, Iowa. –Scott– 1986 Corben Junior Ace N3642 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ RV-4 under construction (tail feathers) Gotta Fly or Gonna Die! I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01 —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

The SAA meeting at OSH was on July 31 and was attended by 200 people, according to an email I got from the Colonel on Aug 3. No mention of dissolution in his message. Before you buy.

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I’m starting to think there are some internal politics involved here… — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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I’m starting to think there are some internal politics involved here… — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this sounded perfect.  Well, this meant he’d have to work a late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this weekend.  I went to his work the night before and last night and helped out a bit.  I didn’t mind one bit even though I was having a bad week myself.  I just kept saying, just think of this weekend.  So I was really counting on it.  On our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could go this weekend.  He then said he was going to be too tired to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend.  I reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.   Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t schedule anything too far in advance now because of his erratic travel schedule. This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, get my hopes up, then it never happens.  Like this spring he suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???).   Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never happenned. To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our company this morning) with blonde hair. OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be greatly appreciated. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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From: melissa >So he >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.  

Ooooh I HATE that!!  Here’s what you do. The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?"  The idea is to get him on the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot.  Get as much info from him at this time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change his mind. Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all the arrangements.  Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the mountains in that preliminary conversation. When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going anywhere.  In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get back. Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made all the plans without him.  That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon yourself to plan the trip.  If nothing else, you’ll get started on communicating  about the problem.  Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of blowing smoke up your ass.  Good luck.

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Melissa Quick, you have half a day to plan. Find a nice place that is not too far from home and relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him … Sorry, my imagination is running wild but I do feel for you. This is a hard situation to be in …. I think Gidget’s ideas are great though. Katie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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melissa wrote: > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.

I can feel the disappointment oozing off the screen here on my end.   > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule.

Trent’s idea has merit (i.e., schedule non-refundable vacations, etc), but my guess is that you’re limited by his travel schedule.  If that’s the case, then you’ll have to gird yourself and dicuss how his behavior in this manner bothers you.  And THEN start scehduling non-refundable vacations!  :) > resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???).

It could be seen that way.  If he wanted to have children right now and you wanted to wait a few years, would his leaving a copy of "Parents" magazine laying around be seen as pushing by you?  Its all in the eye of the beholder.   You know what, though?  When you couple this vacation-ditching conduct with the cold feet house purchase, he does seem to have a thing about committing, though.  Its got to be exasperating. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair.

Missie!  I think you look devine as a blonde!  If you’re serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely tempted to make a comment about your husband having a short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving a blonde.  But sometimes discretion wins.  I won’t say anything!  :) > OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated.

Have you read Passionate Marriage yet?  Its a given in marriage that the low desire partner controls the amount of any activity (in this case, vacationing). But you know what?  I don’t think its a low desire issue here…I think its a reluctance to commit to some course of behavior.  Why don’t *you* commit him instead (not to a mental institution, although I bet that’s crossed your mind Drew

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floridanewbie wrote in message

<37c0e0d7.117195…@news.flatoday.infi.net>… >On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: ><snip> >>What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >>with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious… >Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how >about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, >getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an >acceptable manner?

There are many many schools where this doesn’t apply. I don’t think that the alternatives to public education sprang up purely because of doubts that the children were receiving anadequate education. I really think that there is more to it. These alternatives are a way of coping with situations that are otherwise intolerable for many. >Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group >stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an >assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much >useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling.

The qualifier there is "good classroom". They’re becoming more rare with each passing day. I know several good teachers who are very frustrated at the way things have developed over the past couple of decades. >Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have >a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done.

Sure they can – kids can still play hockey and baseball etc on the community teams. >Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is >otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, >while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served >with such efforts.

The studies are showing (at least where I live) that home schooled children are on par or above children who are attending public, private, and charter schools. >Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out >exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the >things you think are missing.

What if it’s not the missing things that bother you? What if it’s the things that are being done? >By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the >board other than for the lowest levels of school …

I thinkmany parents don’t realize the work that is involved. Im’ not sure it’s a matter of competency but there is a huge time commitment for each passing grade. You work for it just as much (if not more) than your children do. >the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage >when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes >and who have formed strong friendships.

One has to be very careful to introduce social situations whenever possible to avoid that type of scenario. — ….my two cents ….

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<19990822211651.24654.00001…@ng-ch1.aol.com>… >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just

curious… It depends on the situation. It takes a lot of time (and I do mean a lot)… you have to be very careful that it doesn’t put a wedge between you and your kid(s) cause you’re now the parent and the teacher… kind of hard to find time to relax sometimes. The plus side is that you have a whole lot more input into your child’s education and you can be actively involved in shaping their future. You might want to check out the area that you live in to see what kind of support is given to homeschooling families. In our area, we have the full resources of the schools in our district as well as staff from the distance learning center. The newsgroups and your community papers will probably give you more of a lead about what’s available. Before you make the choice, you might want to check other options – like an online school,perhaps, where the kids have a teacher but you have the kids at home. It would help you decide which would be best if you know why you are looking for alternatives. — ….my two cents ….

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On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: <snip> >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an acceptable manner? In classrooms, students see that people learn at different rates and in different ways.  Some do better with quantitative methods while others thrive with qualitative methods.  Home schooling most likely will only use one method; that risks stunting the potential growth that might otherwise occur. Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling. Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done. Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served with such efforts.   Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the things you think are missing. By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the board other than for the lowest levels of school … to home school for the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes and who have formed strong friendships. Floridanewbie

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GidgetOliv asked: >What do you folks think of homeschooling

It has become a very popular alternative here in Alaska. It is working very well and has attempted to alleviate as many of the shortcomings as possible. We have one public school district (open state-wide) where you get a computer when you enroll and attend classes on-line. The homeschooled kids have their own graduation ceremony here in Fairbanks. We have 3 students in our karate school whose monthly dues are paid by the school district to satisfy their physical education requirement (or some other elective). It wouldn’t work for me, though. I am not confident that I have the right temperament to teach my own children. I don’t know whether I could be objective enough. — Sourdough sez: We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do.

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From: floridanew…@hotmail.com  (floridanewbie) >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: ><snip> >>–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? >Just sneaking in here Trent … >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site:

This post reminds me…. What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

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In article <11f733ec.1e956…@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com>, melissa  <missie.johnsonNOcrS…@eudoramail.com> wrote: >It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I >had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice >restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted >to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip >somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to

Well… I would have gone anyway.  Yes, even if that meant going by yourself.  Because you know why… I get the feeling that this scenario plays itself out again and again because nothing otherwise happens.   Yes, I would have said, "Oh, that’s too bad. Will you really be too tired? Oh, well, I’m going to go.  I really wish you’d come to." Then do it. He either would not have come, in which case you could have had a nice relaxing weekend to yourself. If he had come, then you would have rousted him out of his old lazy habits, and the two of you could have had a great time. He "ruins" things for you so often because in a way, you let him. amy — alyo…@bluemarble.net                   http://www.bluemarble.net/~alyoung                         Speaking only for myself.

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I’m not a big fan especially after 3-4th grade because the kids get educaion from various people who are trained very highly in the subjects they’re teaching.  There’s no way I have the resources to give my child the kind of round education in music, chemistry, and algebra that three different teachers who have degrees to teach these specifics can.  I’m a big supporter of private and magnet schools. Tamara – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> GidgetOliv said… > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

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Nothing serious but sometimes people refuse to do things if they have problems with strangers. I mean maybe he gained weight and he doesn’t like to see people, maybe he doesn’t have nice out fits, maybe he doesn’t like the car..etc U know anything and it could be nothing but being busy with work. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I think for some people homeschooling could work out. The people who I know who homeschool have had all good things to say, and their kids have ended up doing great on their SAT’s and in college. Personnally though, I would love to be able to teach my kids and have that family time before they grow up and move on. But, I don’t think I could do justice to their education. I am well educated, and excelled in school, but kids today are learning more, and learning it different then I did even 10 yrs. ago. I also think that kids have to experience the socializing with their peers. I hate when kids are teased, and the bickering that goes on amongst the children at school, but I also realize that kids learn how to adjust, and learn that in their life they are going to run into people that don’t see eye to eye with them. I don’t believe that school is only for education. School teaches you life, socialization, and commitments, and responsibilities. Just my 2 cents worth momalot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: floridanew…@hotmail.com  (floridanewbie) > >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: > ><snip> > >>–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? > >Just sneaking in here Trent … > >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their > >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site: > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

– ned!

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do something for yourself…..go to a movie go shopping just do something gary

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Sorry I misunderstood.  I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details. I Agree with you!  I think we all feel that way sometimes about something. But if this guy is this way.  Why does he seem to get so pissed when she tries to take the initiative?  Also, the worries about whether you can afford it or not might be valid.  Can you afford these trips Melissa?  Are you 100% aware of all financial situations in your marriage?  Make sure you know all about his and your debt and responsibilities.  Because, If he works like a dog for a vacation and you help.  Then, all of the sudden he is too tired to go and worried about the money. There might be something he is afraid to share.  Maybe he is just more worried about spending or working up debt on the credit cards or something.  You should save for a vacation.  Not just up and go and think you will just put it on the "card" and pay for it later.  This is how you get upside down in debt.  Be careful, I think lots of relatively new marriages have these problems. L8R, Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net > >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that > >point on > >fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a > >guy. > Absolutely!  But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him > up on it but be in charge of all the planning. > My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation > destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. > Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to > where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.

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>I >do like the idea of planning something myself with advance >notice from him.  He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it >wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with >it.

Some people just don’t like the element of surprise.  You can always tell him that "his" idea to get away is an excellent one, and that he shouldn’t worry because you’ll take care of the arrangements.  That way you won’t be surprising him with plans "out of the blue" Also, you mentioned that he whines about whether or not you can afford it.  It got me thinking… maybe during that first conversation, when he says "let’s get away" you could say "I don’t know… can we afford it?"  If it’s *his* idea to get away, he might come back with something like, "Sure we can… we’re just talking [blank] bucks or so."  If he does, then you can use his figure and plan around that budget.  Then if he whines, you remind him that it was all his idea in the first place.  :)

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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:37:06 GMT, trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote:

<snip> >–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year?

Just sneaking in here Trent … that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site:   http://www.gdbinc.com/ Floridanewbie

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> Can you afford these trips Melissa?  Are you 100% aware of > all financial situations in your marriage?

Yes, we can afford the kind of weekend trip he was talking about.  About our financial situation, I know more about it than he does… I’m the bill payer in the house, and I see everything, from credit card info to checkcard info to what checks went where. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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What about planning something that you can afford? Trade houses with a family member or friend out of town? Even a picnic can be a getaway if you plan right. There are specials posted on the web for hotels and stuff….. last minute deals……. usually the ones in your own town are quite reasonable. — ….my two cents …. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote in message <0221c012.928fa…@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>… > Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away >from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we >could afford it.  It really ruined the evening.

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From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that >point on >fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a >guy.

Absolutely!  But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him up on it but be in charge of all the planning. My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.

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Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that point on fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a guy. Doing it in stages might be better.  For instance, if you have to fly, mention you purchased the airline tickets for the "trip" today (get the kind you can schedule departure after the fact).  Then ask when it would be a good time to sit down and figure out the dates so you can schedule the departure and hotel reservations. Then, at the point you notice his interest is peaking and he has accepted the fact you are going.  Ask him to help plan or investigate some activities to do while you are there and express that you want to make sure you do things he would like. Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: melissa > >So he > >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Ooooh I HATE that!!  Here’s what you do. > The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?"  The idea is to get him on > the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot.  Get as much info from him at this > time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change > his mind. > Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all > the arrangements.  Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the > planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. > as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the > mountains in that preliminary conversation. > When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be > prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going > anywhere.  In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get > back. > Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made > all the plans without him.  That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it > makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. > Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon > yourself to plan the trip.  If nothing else, you’ll get started on > communicating  about the problem.  Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of > blowing smoke up your ass.  Good luck.

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> Find a nice place that is not too far from home and > relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes > home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy > being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him > …

As much as I’d *love* to do this, I don’t think he’d be too happy at all, which would cause him much misery on what should be a happy occasion.  Just the fact that I went ahead and planned something he’d nixed would really piss him off.  Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we could afford it.  It really ruined the evening. Thanks for the advice though you guys, I appreciate it.  I do like the idea of planning something myself with advance notice from him.  He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with it. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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> Missie! I think you look devine as a blonde! If you’re > serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely > tempted to make a comment about your husband having a > short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving > a blonde. But sometimes discretion wins. I won’t say > anything!

Thanks for the discretion, Drew.  Actually, I’m at auburn now (I had it fixed just a little while ago).  Not what I wanted, but not blonde, either.  You’ve gotta understand, I’m definitely not one of those complexions that is good for blonde hair.  My natural hair color is so dark a brown it’s almost black!  Anyhow, I like the auburn… I feel much much better. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Well, then go off and have a fun weekend by yourself. If he insists on spoiling things, don’t allow yourself to be dragged down to his level. Yes, it’s your anniversary … he’s shown a disregard for your feelings in this matter. Take yourself to a nice hotel or B&B, snuggle up with a brandy and a good book, and spoil yourself. –Welmoed

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Melissa, what would happen if you planned the weekend…Get flowers, dress the house up a little with decorations like it was someplace else.  Then, make sure you send up a flare to the families/friends that call often to resist unless it’s an emergency.  Get a new cute "lingerie" type item and have a romantic dinner planned with his favorite meal.  It could be pizza by candlelight if that’s what he loves.  Then, during the evening maybe post-meal while your stomachs are settling, before the "passionate replay of the consummation of your marriage", mention how you wanted to give him a "weekend away" without the hassle of traveling somewhere and that you hope he would try harder to plan a short trip somewhere for you soon.  I for one would love this myself…maybe I should keep a copy of this for my wife. Good luck, Carl P.S.  All marriages have bumps and you shouldn’t feel bad about maybe seeking some biblically based counseling to help with your communication skills and understanding each others different needs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote: > It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I > had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice > restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted > to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip > somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to > take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away > for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this > sounded perfect.  Well, this meant he’d have to work a > late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this > weekend.  I went to his work the night before and last night > and helped out a bit.  I didn’t mind one bit even though I > was having a bad week myself.  I just kept saying, just > think of this weekend.  So I was really counting on it.  On > our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could > go this weekend.  He then said he was going to be too tired > to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend.  I > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule. > This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, > get my hopes up, then it never happens.  Like this spring he > suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local > resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???). > Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never > happenned. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair. > OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated. > Melissa > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Fellow Fly Fishers     I am starting a web site and would like to know what information and features are imortant to you. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Paul Koulouris Shelburne, Vermont "The true joy of pursuing trout is that they live in such beautiful places"

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This sounds like a great idea!! It would be good to know where the fishing is hot..and where it is not!! { In New Zealand that is!} Sharing what size trout everyone caught over the weekend and what fly they used!! I’m keen for this site!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fellow Fly Fishers     I am starting a web site and would like to know what information and features are imortant to you. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Paul Koulouris Shelburne, Vermont "The true joy of pursuing trout is that they live in such beautiful places"

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Hi Group I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their chat place with a thing called "Java" or something like that – I’m not as computer literate as I should be but struggling. So —— Let’s try another chat session on Wednesday evening at 6:00pm MST at http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com?  then click on the "Chat icon-bar." I hope to see my "on-line" friends there. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Hi Group I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their chat place with a thing called "Java" or something like that – I’m not as computer literate as I should be but struggling. So —— Let’s try another chat session on Wednesday evening at 6:00pm MST at http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com?  then click on the "Chat icon-bar." I Sorry, I made a mistake on the address, here it is

http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com/ — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I’ll be there!!!! Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their chat place with a thing called "Java" or something like that – I’m not as computer literate as I should be but struggling. So —— Let’s try another chat session on Wednesday evening at 6:00pm MST at http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com?  then click on the "Chat icon-bar." I Sorry, I made a mistake on the address, here it is http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com/ — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

Al, Here is the deal,  Tell me what 0600 MST is in relation to GMT, and I promise not to tell you what java is. Cheers Bruce….

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Well, I can’t answer a lot of questions, but the difference between GMT and MST is 7 hours – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their Here is the deal,  Tell me what 0600 MST is in relation to GMT, and I Bruce….

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Hello all… Sorry for the troubles we had before but they are now behind us. I re-wrote the FlyFishAmerica.com chat area, it has been fixed, it supports a lot more users and is wicked fast. It does not require any downloading or special software and is based on SERVERside Java which does not even require a Java enabled browser. Bob Stewart http://www.flyfishamerica.com/chat/chat.html

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What is the best 3 -4 day Idaho raft trip?  When is the best time to go? Any suggestions on outfitters?  Do rafters have the opportunity to kayak part of the run without bringing their own boats cross country?  Any Jonathan Katz

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What is the best 3 -4 day Idaho raft trip?  When is the best time to go? Any suggestions on outfitters?  Do rafters have the opportunity to kayak part of the run without bringing their own boats cross country?  Any Jonathan Katz

Try Mackay Wilderness River Trips (800 635-5336) out of Boise.  They offer trips on the Middle and Main Fork of the Salmon.  We did the whole Middle fork 2 summers ago (6 days) in early July and had a blast.  The water was up, the food was great, great guides.  The fishing was shitty because the water was so high.  I guess you can have great fishing or great water, not both.  For a 3 day I’d recommend the upper run of the Middle Fork.  They fly you in to the put-in, you land in a meadow and get bused 10-12 miles to the river and get out at a guest ranch and fly out from there.  The scenery’s more alpine and some pretty good whitewater on that run.  The lower run (also 3 days) you fly in to the guest ranch then float to the Middle’s confuence with the Main then get bused out (several hours) to Salmon, ID then fly back to Boise from there.  I recommend the Middle over the Main because it’s a designated wilderness stretch, very pristene and clear running.  The Main is lots bigger, browner and has lots of guest ranches and jet boats, more civilization in general I’m told.  Mackay offers oar rafts, paddle rafts and inflatable kayaks.  You can ride any way you prefer.  If you do go down the upper Middle Fork I’d say take a pass on staying at that guest ranch half way down.  It’s kinda beat out and not in an especially pretty stretch.  I have friends that stayed there 3 days then floated out 3 days and were bored shitless at the ranch.  If you go and the water’s up don’t even bother getting a fishing liscense.  I saw 2 fish get caught the whole six days!  We saw a black bear, several golden eagles and bighorns.  Moose and elk are possible.  If you like more than a glass of wine or 2 of an evening to take the edge off, take your own.  A little is provided at dinner and that’s it.  Have fun! Dave

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What is the best 3 -4 day Idaho raft trip?  When is the best time to go? Any suggestions on outfitters?  Do rafters have the opportunity to kayak part of the run without bringing their own boats cross country?  Any Jonathan Katz

Hi,   Several years ago, my wife and I did a trip with Canyons, Inc.  This company is owned and run by Les Bechtel out of McCall ID. They only do Middle Fork and Main Salmon trips.  I know that they do paddle and oar raft trips, as well as support for Kayak and open boats,  and they bring along a couple of IK’s as well. Food is wonderful, guides were very nice, food was GREAT. We did a MF trip in early season (July, I think) about 6 days and the trip was great. I don’t know if they can supply boats or not.  Give them a call and find out. Canyons, Inc. (208) 634-4303 (I think). Ted Marz

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<snip   Several years ago, my wife and I did a trip with Canyons, Inc.  This company is owned and run by Les Bechtel out of McCall ID.

   It is Canyon’s, but in case you need it to find the phone # the last name is Bechdel… —     AWA, IRU      – http://www.intbuild.com —       Ketchum,  ID.       Home of Worldgroup for Mac, telnet://wgmac.intbuild.com

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Hi Sandy, Great idea and post on the Skinny Minny. I’m going to give them a try after Christmas. There is usually some kind of thaw for a few day in mid January in Montana and I’m going to be prepared. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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             –Skinny Minnies and Rapalicas– WARNING:   The following discussion may prove hazardous to your sensibilities. If you like precise definitions and are uncomfortable with gray area, abort now and read no further. Else continue.   Hot damn. I’ve been working on this for over ten years, and now I finally have it: homemade, lightweight wigglers that are quick and easy to make. I wrote about this once, or, should I say John Gierach did, about 10 years ago in fly fisherman, in an article called "Flies or Lures," where my work was reviewed along with the work of several others (A K Best?) I had some wigglers that worked then, but they were way too heavy, and took way too long to make. I posted some interim, ‘almost works’ instructions to rec.outdoors.fishing a few years ago, and immediately started a flame war about what is and isn’t fly fishing. Several readers thought the very idea of fly rod wigglers was inherently reprehensible. One reader referred to them derisively as "Skinny Minnies." I thought it was a pretty good name. I’ll have to see if I can get something published under that name. For me, wigglers have been the hardest challenge in fly tying. I have been making them for years, but I never knew–until recently–which ones would work and which ones wouldn’t. Dave Whitlock once described the balancing of homemade wigglers as "Impossibly difficult." But it ain’t so: once you’ve got it, it’s easy. BACKGROUND:   First of all–just in case there is any doubt in your mind–wigglers are absolutely deadly. Tiny, 3/8" long wigglers are absolutely dynamite on the spring creeks. In bigger water, fat, long-bodied wigglers thrown into the i pockets behind overhanging willow branches pull out big browns like a magnet. MATERIALS:    Thin super glue.    5-minute epoxy    Spawn sack—dyed brown or black if you are a perfectionist    Clear mylar sheeting (get it at the drafting supplies store, ala                          Bett’s frog lip)    any standard hook…with hook size vaguely dependant on body length.    optional: any number of rubber leg, marabou, saddle hackle additions              that can be added, as-per-your imagination. TYING (assembly) INSTRUCTIONS:    ….say for a big one…    Cut a 1/4" x 1/4" x 2" square tube of closed cell foam. Use scissors to taper off the rear end. Use a razor blade to cut a 60 degree slanted front face in the foam. Slit what will eventually be the belly of the fly (lure?) and push in a flattened split shot, along with a dab of epoxy. This "belly-mounted" ballast is critical. This (belly ballast) was the missing part of the puzzle, for me. With a bouyant tail, a little ballast in the belly and slightly weighted bill, they all orient downwards, and dive and wiggle like crazy when you pull on the line.     Roll the foam body up like a cigarette (perhaps you learned how to do this i back in the late 1960’s)–in a rectangle of spawn sack. Twist up the loose spawn sack at the rear end, and glue the tight knot at the rear end with a spot of thin super glue. Clip off the excesss spawn sack. Twist the spawn sack flat over the slanted front end of the foam body. Use a small amount of thin super glue to pin the spawn sack flat against the slanted front end of the foam.   Cut a rectangle of rigid, clear mylar sheeting for the diving lip. Rough it up with sand paper. Glue the front end of the slanted foam body onto the diving lip with epoxy. Set it aside to dry.    Once the epoxy has hardened, use scissors to trim back the mylar sheeting into a Rapala-like diving lip. Glue an additional, flattened split shot on the lower edge of the bill.    At this point, you can add do-dads. Sew in rubber legs, flashabou, saddle hackles, beady eyes….whatever you want. What you have, at this point, is a soft-bodied lure that dives and wiggles like a daemon, and yet is no heavier than many commercially tied streamer flies. You can toss them easily with a fly rod. HOW TO FISH THE FLURE:   Use a bodkin needle to poke a hole through the bill. Push the tippet through the hole. Throw a half hitch around the body of the lure. Use a needle to push the tippet through the foam at its rear end. Tie on any hook you like. Fish it upstream and across, like a streamer. You may have to use toenail clippers to "fine tune" the action of the lure. Then try fishing it it downstream, swimming it back and forth at the top of likely looking pockets. Pay attention and be ready to set the hook. You’ll get plenty of strikes. You’ll find more big fish than you ever imagined. I fished some of these last summer on the Big Horn, and the results were nearly indescribable. The only flaw at that point, was that only about 1 in 4 flies I made worked (wiggled) right. Now they all do. It’s all in the belly ballast.

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My  girfriend will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and in the park. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hi Tim, In September, in particular, the browns are quite active preparing to spawn. Preparing for this results in two activities: gorging lots of food to build up necessary fat deposits for spawning, and protecting their spawning lies from predators. Both activities result in excellent streamer fishing from September to November. Be prepared with a selection of Muddlers, Woolly Buggers, Matuka and Woolhead Sculpins, and Zonker patterns, to name a few of the more locally popular flies. September is also a fine time here for insects. Hydropsyche caddis are still emerging heavily on all the rivers (size 14-16, pale green & tan), as well as the late emergence of Rhyacophila (the "Bright Green Caddis Larva," size #14-16, olive adult). Baetis become the dominant mayfly (olive, size #18-22 with smaller sizes more typical of the fall emergence), with Mahogany duns (brown, size 14) providing late season action for the larger mayflies, especially on the Gallatin River. There are lesser hatches which are also "locally" important on some rivers, including Tricos (Madison), Attenella (upper Yellowstone), etc. I’d also suggest that you contact local fly shops for the area you’ll be visiting, including Jacklin’s in West Yellowstone and Montana Troutfitters or The River’s Edge in Bozeman. They can provide you with locally effective "hot" patterns and up-to-date fishing reports. Good Luck, Ryan Jordan J&J Flies (Bozeman)

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I had good luck using a PMD nymph at Buffalo Ford last Sept. Not much else was working at the time. Frank Cada

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hi Tim You will need a series of Bead Head nymphs and Hare’s Ear Nymphs #10 – #16, assorted Wulffs #12 – #18, Parachute Adams #16 – #20, assorted Compara Duns #14 – #22, Elk Hair Caddis #12 – #20 both light and dark,   Real important for that time of years is #8 Grass Hoppers — my favorite is a Whit’s Hopper or something similar.  By the time September rolls around the fish will have seen many different Hopper patterns and the more realistic the better.  This is especially true in the Park.  The fish on Slough Creek as an example will often "nudge" a hopper patterns several times before taking it.  It’s important that you not strike when they nudge the fly but wait for them to take it.  It can be a real nerve racking experience but a lot of fun as well. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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It matters a GREAT deal WHERE on the Yellowstone you’ll be fishing.  The Yellowstone, as you know, is a very large river that can be broken down into several sections.  If you can be more specific as to the area you’ll be fishing, I’ll tell you the information you want to know.

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Have some hoppers for warm days. Wooly buggers in whatever fancies you. I like black with a touch of flash and the Bakers hole special which is yellow and brown with a touch of flash. Bead head Hares ears in a variety of sizes and bead head Prince seems to work on the Madison. Definitely have some size 18-22 pmd type emergers in pale yellow. Last year this was our most effective fly on the madison the first week of October. (I still after all these years can’t figure out how those trout see those flies in all that rough water!) Fished them with a small strike indicator on the nymphs and like a dry for the emergers. I personally still used the strike indicator on th emergers cause I sure can’t see the fly. I would also still have the basics in a variety of sizes like Wulfs Adams, Caddis and sparkle duns, but the nymphs were most productive for us. The Wooly Buggers were the most productive on the Yellowstone above Le Hardy Rapids. Kevin Williams

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

I suggest calling Madison River Outfitters in West Yellowstone.  (I don’t feel comfortable publishing phone numbers, but I’m sure you can call information.)

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in    clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

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If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in   clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

Excellant advise T-bone!!  I like someone who can find a reason to fish no matter what.  As my grandfather used to say: "… which would you rather do… or go fishing?" Jack Wheeler

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o  What are the major rivers/other opportunities

You’ll be nearest the upper Colorado River in the Kremmling/Hot Springs area. o  How far are they from Winter Park

Roughly 30 or 45 minutes. o  What are the likely conditions

Runoff varies from year to year.  If the rest of the Winter’s mild, late June should be OK.  Check river conditions at: http://www.infosphere.com/rof/yp/RFAnglers/rfa.htm That’s Glenwood Springs, but it should give you some idea (there are other river flow sources on the Web). o  Who’s the leading outfitter/guide service

Sorry, I’m not familiar with outfitters in that area. o  What’s worth traveling to for an overnight

Again, check out the website above… M

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#Hello backpackers, #Does anyone know of a 35mm SLR camera that has interchangeable lens and is #designed to be light weight for backpacking?   # #Thanks…Stever # Well, I have used my Canon AE-1 and F-1, one or the other or both.  Any 35mm SLR is light enough to backpack, in my opinion.  It just depends on how far you want to go.  I also carried my Bogen tripod and several lenses from 20mm to 200mm, extension tubes, filters, etc. It just depends on how much photography you want to do.  On the last trip I went on I went by myself so the fact that I was loaded down and couldn’t go very far didn’t matter as much. —

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Hello backpackers, Does anyone know of a 35mm SLR camera that has interchangeable lens and is designed to be light weight for backpacking?   Thanks…Stever

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Hello backpackers, Does anyone know of a 35mm SLR camera that has interchangeable lens and is designed to be light weight for backpacking?  

Well, there is light weight and there is compact.  I know of examples of various combinations of these. Some of the new cameras are made of plastic and are quite light.  The Canon EOS Rebel springs to mind.  Very light but not too compact. (~$390 with 35-70 zoom) Most camera manufacturers have made compact cameras at one time or another: Nikon FM, Pentax ME super, Olympus OM series, etc.  But these are (mostly) metal cameras and aren’t as light as the Rebel mentioned above. (you have to buy some of these used ~$250) If you want SLR quality but can do with a fixed lens rangefinder, I find the Olympus XA to be an excellent, tiny, light camera, perfect for carrying in a backpack (used, ~$130).  Old Leica screwmount rangefinders (body ~$150, 5cm lens ~$100) are compact and have interchangeable excellent lenses but don’t have meters and may be unreliable because of their age (I like my IIIc). Some of the new point-and-shoot cameras have gotten good reviews. The Olympus Infinity Stylus is small, light, and has auto focus. (~$130) Personally, I carry an old Rollieflex medium format camera, a light meter, and a fairly light tripod (Velbon).  This doesn’t give me the flexability of interchangeable lenses but it is fairly lightweight and the Zeiss lens gives me 16×20 prints to die for.  -Dyer Lytle Dyer Lytle, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, 602-323-4136 – "The goal of civilization is settled life and the achievement of luxury. But there is a limit which cannot be overstepped. When prosperity and luxury come to a people, they are followed by excessive consumption and extravagance. With that the human soul itself is undermined both in its worldly well-being and in its spiritual life." – –                       the Arab, Ibn Khaldun, greatest of all historians — Dyer Lytle, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, 602-323-4136 – "The goal of civilization is settled life and the achievement of luxury.

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Does anyone know of a 35mm SLR camera that has interchangeable lens and is designed to be light weight for backpacking? I believe that Backpacker magazine had a review of lightweight cameras several issues ago (maybe last summer).  I think it was definitely within the last year or so.  Try your local library.

The article on lightweight cameras is in the August, 1990 issue of Backpacker magazine, pages 54 to 55. It reviews about 8 different cameras.         Steve Snyder            | This space for rent, inquire within. US Geological Survey Reston, VA | I only speak for myself. me.

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There are the inevitable comprimises to be made when ruggedness, seals against water or dirt and image quality vs. expense and weight are applied to cameras.         Nikon has a Nikonos V which weighs roughly 4 pounds (1 3/4 kg.) with a lens.  It carved out of solid aluminium, takes several lenses all but one of which is designed solely for underwater use, and can be used at depths of 100 m.  Great for white water rafting, not so great as a backpacking camera. Focus is set manually be guessing the distance (Galelian finder, not an SLR), shutter speed can be set automatically or manually in conjunction with the aperature. About $550.  Nikon also is about to introduce a much more elaborate autofucus SLR underwater camera that is not really well suited to land use (very heavy, very large) and will cost in excess of $3500 with a lens.         There are quality point and shoot cameras with reasonably fast and higher quality lenses.  A couple can even tolerate getting wet, though not at depth.  There are expensive models from Contax (~$400) Leica (made by Minolta), the equivalent Minolta, and Nikon. If you want memories, but not magazine quality reproductions, and are content leave the moose and flowers in the background, choose a point and shoot.  I find the common sense argument is only take a camera backpacking if you can afford emotionally and financially to sacrifice it.  The original poster wanted light weight first, then compact.  The point and shoots are the only choice that meet this constraint.         This is all from one who has dragged some very heavy packs of pro gear around, sometimes beyond discomfort.  I don’t shoot just for the memories.                                                         Paul

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The article on lightweight cameras is in the August, 1990 issue of Backpacker magazine, pages 54 to 55. It reviews about 8 different cameras.        Steve Snyder            | This space for rent, inquire within.

Could you possibly give us a run-down of the results? At least mention the cameras reviewed, and the overall winners? Thanks…

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FYI, for Christmas I bought my wife a Nikon Tele-Touch 300.  It is NOT an SLR but it DOES take full-frame 35mm film.  It is lightweight, and as the name suggests does have a limited zoom capability.  It includes a built-in flash, DL223 lithium battery, and has DX coding to set ASA/ISO film speed automatically when you use 35mm film cartidges that are so marked. It is NOT waterproof.  It will probably crash big time if you drop it. It was also only a hair over $100 and it takes dynamite pictures.  It has a self winder and can be made ready to use in seconds, which, when combined with the leight weight and physically small size would probably be considered desireable for most backpacking. Overall, she likes it and is happy with it. HINT: next time you are going to hike/backpack in the mountains someplace and want a lightweight, cheap quick and dirty camera to take decent panoramic wide-view shots with, try the Kodak Panoramic 35 box.  And I do mean BOX.  If you’ve never seen one of these, it is essentially a disposable camera with film already in it.  This particular one uses a regular 35mm film and shoots a narrow strip through the middle of the frame.  Kodak processing equipment now counts this as a standardized print size, and returns a respectable panoramic print that is about 10" long and 3 1/2 or 4 inches high. We took one along last November when we hiked up to the Le Conte Lodge in the Smokies.  Got some very nice landscape shots with it.  You won’t get the image quality you might from the aforementioned Nikon, but then you also aren’t out bunches of bucks if it goes down the side of a mountain, either.  :-) Duane

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Hello backpackers, Does anyone know of a 35mm SLR camera that has interchangeable lens and is designed to be light weight for backpacking?   Thanks…Stever

Well…. Olympus is known for making pretty light gear, as is Minolta. If you want to stay as light as possible, stay away from auto-focus SLRs. One issue you might want to think about, depending on how much shooting you are going to be doing and how long you will be in the backcountry, would be the reliability of the camera. A really light-weight alternative might be a point-and-shoot camera with a built-in zoom lens. [Cross-posted to rec.photo] —– To sit in solitude, to think in solitude with only the music of the stream and the cedar to break the flow of silence, here lies the value of wilderness.                                                 — John Muir

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Hello backpackers, Does anyone know of a 35mm SLR camera that has interchangeable lens and is designed to be light weight for backpacking?   Thanks…Stever

I use a Nikon FG for this sort of thing.  It’s not really designed for backpacking, probably other folks would say a Nikon FE2 is better since it’s more rugged.  Note that rugged implies heavier in general… As I’ve said on this net before, I like the FG because it’s light and it has TTL flash metering.  New enough to have TTL flash, old enough to have no heavy features like autofocus.  The FG is no longer made, you have to get a used one (same as the FE2…) I can weigh my FG and FE2 and get back to you if you want. Note that all these older Nikons can use the new autofocus lenses if you also have an AF body at home.       Phil White   Tektronix, Beaverton, OR  US Mail: Mail Stop 59-432, P.O. Box 500, Beaverton OR 97077-0001

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The article on lightweight cameras is in the August, 1990 issue of Backpacker magazine, pages 54 to 55. It reviews about 8 different cameras.        Steve Snyder            | This space for rent, inquire within. Could you possibly give us a run-down of the results? At least mention the cameras reviewed, and the overall winners? Thanks…

Here goes… From August 1990 Backpacker magazine, pages 54-55. Article titled "Small Wonders… Compact Cameras for the Trail" by J. Michael Wyatt Reprinted without permission (sorry!)    How many times have you hesitated to dig your camera out of your pack for a single quick landscape shot? How often have you passed on grabbing a trailside candid of a companion? Ever leave your camera safely stowed because of dust, rain, or snow? Ever want to travel lighter and leave that expensive, full-sized, weighty 35mm SLR and lenses home, but bring back great photos of your trip?    It’s time you took a hard look at the world of point-and-shoot compacts. These plastic-bodied, fixed-lens wonders have taken the photo mass-market by storm by cramming more and more into smaller and smaller packages.    They offer such features as: -Sophisticated programmed autoexposure systems. -Automated built-in flash. Some models even offer intellegent flash systems that automatically compensate for backlighting. -Compatibility with DX-coded films so you don’t have to remember to set the film speed. -Weatherproof (and sometimes even waterproof) bodies. -Tele-wide dual lenses or zoom lenses. More and more point-and-shoot models are offering a combination of autofocus telephoto and wide-angle lenses. -Autowind and autorewind. -Autoloading film. Just open the back and drop in the film casette– a real boon to fumble-fingers.    But do these high-tech handfuls have anything to offer those of us who put image quality before convenience? They do, indeed. From the user’s end, these compact, lightweight cameras are simple but sophisticated and produce images of a suprisingly high quality. Granted the lenses probably won’t beat your SLR’s 50mm lens in a head-to-head test, but they will produce prints and transparencies suitable for all but the most critical uses. And the spontaneity these convenient pocket cameras bring to your on-the-trail picture taking will help ensure memorable images. After all, the real test of a camera is how often you return with pictures, right?     TIPS FOR THE BACKCOUNTRY    All of these microelectronic wonders have one thing in common: a total dependence on batteries. To avoid cold-weather battery lockups, use fresh batteries and keep an extra set in a warm place like an accessible interior pocket. If you plan to do a lot of cold-weather shooting, make sure the camera accepts lithium batteries; they offer considerably improved cold-weather performance over alkaline batteries.    Dual, telephoto, and wide-angle autofocus lens cameras offer the greatest versatility for backcountry use.    If you canoe, kayak, or hike in wet or dusty conditions, consider a weatherproof model; it will resist the entry of dust, grit, condensa- tion, fog, and light rain. If you’re particularly fond of bad weather, take a hard look at the more water- and weather-resistant waterproof cameras.    If you plan to take self-portraits or long exposures, be sure the camera has a self-timer and tripod socket. [DESCRIPTION OF CAMERAS FOLLOWS]: [All are autofocus, with programmed auto metering, autowind, autoload, and autorewind. All weights are without batteries.] [Prices not given]                                                            A-Self timer                                                            B-Tripod socket                                                            C-Weatherproof                                                            D-Waterproof Model     Lens     DX     Flash      Size      Weight   Battery   A  B  C  D Canon   |Zoom XL  |50- | Auto with   6"x3.6"   20.8 oz  two 3v    Y  Y  N  N Sureshot|39mm f3.6|3200| backlight    x2.6"    (590 g)  lithium         |  to     |    | correction         |85mm f7.3|    | Minolta |Dual 35mm|100-| Yes (can    5.8"x3"   14.1 oz  one 6v    N  N  Y  1 Weather-| f3.5 &  |1000| be dis-      x2.6"    (400 g)  lithium matic   |50mm f5.6|    | abled) Dual    |         |    | Nikon   |35mm f2.8|50- | Auto        5.2"x3.2" 17.0 oz  two 1.5v  Y  Y  Y  2 Action  |         |1600|              x2.2"    (482 g)  alkaline* Touch   |         |    | Olympus |Dual 35mm|50- | Auto with   5"x2.5"x  7.9 oz   one 6v    Y  Y  Y  N Infinity|f3.5 &   |3200| backlight     1.8"    (224 g)  lithium Twin    |70mm f6.3|    | correction Pentax  |Super    |25- | Auto with   5.7"x3.3" 24 oz    two 3v    Y  Y  N  N IQZoom  |38mm f4  |3200| backlight     2.6"    (680 g)  lithium 105     |to 105mm |    | correction         | f7.8    |    | Ricoh   |Zoom     |64- | Auto with   5.5"x2.9" 12.7 oz  one 6v    Y  Y  N  N Shot-   |38mm f3.5|3200| backlight    x2.1"    (360 g)  lithium master  | to      |    | correction Zoom    |76mm f6.7|    | Vivitar |35mm f5.6|100-| Auto        4.2"x2"   7 oz     one 3v    Y  Y  N  N AF 1000 |         |1000|              x2.5"    (198 g)  lithium Yashica | Built-in|64- | Auto with   5.1"x2.7" 9.7 oz   one 6v    Y  Y  Y  N   T-3   |CarlZeiss|1600| backlight    x2"      (275 g)  lithium         | 35mm    |    | footnotes: 1- Submersible to 15 feet            2- Submersible to 10 feet            *- No lithium batteries    CARDBOARD AND DISPOSABLE: SINGLE-USE CAMERAS    Have you ever wanted to haul your SLR out in a downpour or expose your point-and-shoot to a 40 mph sandblasting, just to get a few exposures of how well your tent was holding up (and your tentmate wasn’t)? "No way!" you say. "Water, sand, and cameras just don’t mix!" How about letting the kids loose with a lens for a while? "Even worse!" you say. "They’d be back with a bag of broken glass and a few mangled gears."    Now there’s an answer: the new single-use cameras.    These lightweight and inexpensive one-way cameras are constructed of a cardboard box with a plastic interior. They come already loaded with film and produce suprisingly good-quality images with a plastic fixed-focal- length lens and fixed-speed shutter.    Two members of Kodak’s family of single-use cameras are of particular interest to backpackers. They’re each priced under $14.00 [U.S.], weigh around three ounces, and offer features previously available only in expensive specialty cameras.    My favorite is the panoramic Stretch 35. The camera comes with 12 exposures of Kodak Gold 200 and uses a 25mm f12 lens to produce 3.5"-by-10" pictures – twice the width of standard negative.    A great backup for stormy weather is the Weekend 35. This waterproof camera comes with 24 exposures of Kodak Gold 400 and is wrapped in a durable plastic cover that will keep things dry to a depth of 10 feet.    The obvious question in this time of overflowing landfills is why would BACKPACKER plug a throwaway product? "These aren’t throwaways," says Kodak spokesman Mike Sullivan. "It’s a closed loop – the cameras come back for processing." Early this year, Kodak established a program to help photo- finishers recycle 35mm casettes and plastic film canisters, and as we went to press, they were finalizing plans to recycle the plastic interiors of their single-use cameras. "At first, it’s going to cost us more money," admits Sullivan, "but it’s obviously the right thing to do." End of article.

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    With the number of threads recurring on this matter, wouldn’t it have been easier had we had a backpacking cameras FAQ? =20

=09I would like one too! If there is r.b FAQ, I’m ready to give my 2cents for it. =09Tapio V=E4ist=F6

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    With the number of threads recurring on this matter, wouldn’t it have been easier had we had a backpacking cameras FAQ?                                                   Matt Delevoryas

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I am out in the elements a lot and the Pentax IQ-Zoom WR is the best thing out there.  It has all of the features of any other camera and is more or less waterproof (but won’t ‘take’ pictures underwater).  I use it WW kayaking and have had no trouble with it. True, it only goes down to 32mm, but zooms to 90mm and has a remote for doing those still shots where you need a cable. Happy shooting (pictures)! Robb

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I am out in the elements a lot and the Pentax IQ-Zoom WR is the best thing out there.  It has all of the features of any other camera and is more or less waterproof (but won’t ‘take’ pictures underwater).  I use it WW kayaking and have had no trouble with it.

I have this camera as well. It has been submerged both with the power off and with the power on and lens out (a no-no according to the manual and the guy who sold it to me) and is still OK.  Mine has been pretty well abused, and has held up well and takes really good shots for a compact "point and shoot".  I’ve recommended it to a few of my friends and would not hesitate do do so again.

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I own the Olympus IS-100 (European version of the IS-10). It is an perfect camera with a fine lense. I bought an convertor so the zoom range is 28-180mm. You are right it is relatively bulky, but the weight is low. In Europe they now sell a newer version of the IS-100, it has a longer range in time (till 60 sec)

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I am looking for a point-and-shoot camera to take backpacking and trekking.  I

I just purchased one for mountaineering, backpacking and rock climbing.   At that time (last summer) there wasn’t a good waterproof or water resistant camera with the important features all there so don’t be surprised if you can’t get that feature. Look for a zoom that covers pretty wide (say 35 or less) to get those landscapes and greater than 80 (say 100) for zooming in on more distant subjects.  That will narrow selections down quite a bit.  I also required some feature that allows me to bracket or over/underexpose in steps so I can correct for bright backgrounds, etc.  You can’t take decent pictures without that or some monkeying around (sometimes you can fake out the exposure by locking on another scene–yuck what fun).  There are only about two cameras with that capability.  Similarly, the ability to use a fill flash is quite useful. You need a timer so you can jump into the photo.  A camera that beeps or flashes (beep is better) as the timer countsdown helps prevent those shots of you coming back to see if it took the picture yet. The one I got is expensive–Nikon ZoomTouch 800 but it works great. Now, if you asked me what I’d like if I could design my own camera for backpacking… Brian C. Wadell Guided Wave Solutions RF, uW, and Test Hardware and Software (617)-942-WAVE

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a point-and-shoot camera to take backpacking and trekking.  I have read a lot and looked at several different cameras, but I am still uncertain how to handle the trade-offs among size, weight, weatherproofing, features (such as zoom lenses), and lens quality.  At one end is the minimalist Yashica Super T4 (weatherproof, compact light, excellent lens quality, fixed 35 mm focal length); in the middle is the Minolta Freedom Zoom Explorer (not weatherproof, good lens quality, 28-70 mm zoom, relatively compact); at the other end is the Olympus iS-10 (relatively bulky, 28-110 mm zoom, not weatherproof, LOTS of features).  (I like the idea of having a 28 mm wide-angle focal length available for scenery shots.)  And there are other cameras scattered along this continuum as well, and probably lots that I haven’t even thought of. So… What camera do you use?  What would you recommend?  What have been your experiences?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  TIA. I’ve used the Yashica  T4 (including Date Stamp feature) for about 3 years on my backpacking trips (about 120 days).  Have found it to be more than adequate for my basic "point-and-shoot" interest.  Would not hesitate to recommend it to any non-hobbyist/professional whose interest is also in a basic "point-and-shoot" camera.

I just bought the new Super Yashica T4 and got my first prints back from an ice climbing trip.  The pictures were equal to the quality from my larger olympus IS3 that also takes great phots.  I was really impressed wither  small size the the T-4; fits in a shirt pocket while climbing. Bob —        Bob Broeking in Montgomery,AL (I am only here 8 months)      " I’ll get the rope…" Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a point-and-shoot camera to take backpacking and trekking.  I have read a lot and looked at several different cameras, but I am still uncertain how to handle the trade-offs among size, weight, weatherproofing, features (such as zoom lenses), and lens quality.  At one end is the minimalist Yashica Super T4 (weatherproof, compact light, excellent lens quality, fixed 35 mm focal length); in the middle is the Minolta Freedom Zoom Explorer (not weatherproof, good lens quality, 28-70 mm zoom, relatively compact); at the other end is the Olympus iS-10 (relatively bulky, 28-110 mm zoom, not weatherproof, LOTS of features).  (I like the idea of having a 28 mm wide-angle focal length available for scenery shots.)  And there are other cameras scattered along this continuum as well, and probably lots that I haven’t even thought of. So… What camera do you use?  What would you recommend?  What have been your experiences?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  TIA.

I’ve used the Yashica  T4 (including Date Stamp feature) for about 3 years on my backpacking trips (about 120 days).  Have found it to be more than adequate for my basic "point-and-shoot" interest.  Would not hesitate to recommend it to any non-hobbyist/professional whose interest is also in a basic "point-and-shoot" camera. Previously used a slightly larger/heavier camera with a zoom option. Found that I seldom benefited from use of the zoom and have concluded that it merely added to weight without corresponding benefit. bond  My opinion is neither copyrighted nor trademarked, and it’s  price competitive.  If you like, I’ll trade for one of yours.

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I am looking for a point-and-shoot camera to take backpacking and trekking. So… What camera do you use?  What would you recommend?  What have been your experiences?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  TIA.

I travelled for half a year through Indonesia and Australia, which are quite moist and hot countries. In Indonesia we have been into the jungle on Sumatra and Irian Jaya. Before we went I asked the same question. Should I bring a very light camera or an waterproof one, etc. I had very good experience with my Canon equipment (AE-1), but I wanted something lighter and auto-focus. I want good quality shots but the journey is more important. I got the newest Canon EOS camera, the EOS-5, together with two lenses from Canon: 28-80 zoom and 75-300 zoom. I also took the flash-light 430EZ, because of the low capacity of the build in one. I also took some filters, of which I used the polarisation-filter most. My camera never failed one moment! It’s now 3 years old and still operating perfectly. The lenses however are a bit of a compromise between weight and functionality. — With kindest regards, Edwin van Ree. Just being happy with my NT powered machine, if not in my Lycoming powered one

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I am looking for a point-and-shoot camera to take backpacking and trekking. snip- So… What camera do you use?  What would you recommend?  What have been your experiences?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  TIA.

I bought a Pentax 928 (?), their top-of-the-line point-and-shoot.  I really wanted a waterproof/resistant camera, but found most of them limited.  The 928 has a 28-90 zoom; I agree with Steve that anything longer than a 28mm lens is inadequate for "scenery" shots. The 28mm lens requirement eliminates at least half of the point-and-shoots.   Another feature I find critical is over or under exposure capability.  It is a critical feature if you shoot lots of photos in snow (I’m in Idaho).  I bracket alot of shots (i.e., shoot the same shot normally and with an under and over exposure) to increase my odds of getting the shot just right.  The 928 is pretty small and is completely loaded.  As far as toughness; I’ve only had it 9 months, but it’s been fly fishing, skiing, backpacking, etc. and has exceeded my expectations (e.g., doing a face plant with it in my fanny pack while skiing).  My dealer will handle all warranty work, so even if I have a problem, they’ll deal with it and I avoid the hassle.  To fantastic photos….

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I am looking for a point-and-shoot camera to take backpacking and trekking.  I have read a lot and looked at several different cameras, but I am still uncertain how to handle the trade-offs among size, weight, weatherproofing, features (such as zoom lenses), and lens quality.  At one end is the minimalist Yashica Super T4 (weatherproof, compact light, excellent lens quality, fixed 35 mm focal length); in the middle is the Minolta Freedom Zoom Explorer (not weatherproof, good lens quality, 28-70 mm zoom, relatively compact); at the other end is the Olympus iS-10 (relatively bulky, 28-110 mm zoom, not weatherproof, LOTS of features).  (I like the idea of having a 28 mm wide-angle focal length available for scenery shots.)  And there are other cameras scattered along this continuum as well, and probably lots that I haven’t even thought of. So… What camera do you use?  What would you recommend?  What have been your experiences?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  TIA.

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