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Perch on a Fly Rod?

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Yesterday afternoon I wondered down the street to a pier on Lake Washington to test cast my new 3wt rod and reel. I didn’t intend to catch anything and low and behold, I didn’t. Had a great time casting the new rod though. As I was packing up to leave three guys joined me on the pier set up to baitcast for perch. It didn’t take them 1 cast a piece before they were reeling in 5-8 inch perch from approximately 35 feet down. They were using worms and chopped perch meat. My question for the group: How would you go about catching perch on a fly rod off a pier? I have a 3wt, floating line with sink shot, or a 5wt with sink tip. What flies would you recommend? Thanks for the info. Ryan

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DAMN! That’s some fine fishin’ – catchin’ without even casting….<G They were using worms and chopped perch meat.

And if you wanted perch, may I ask why you didn’t do what they were doing? My question for the group: How would you go about catching perch on a fly rod off a pier? I have a 3wt, floating line with sink shot, or a 5wt with sink tip. What flies would you recommend?

Ones that look and smell like worms and chopped perch meat. Seriously (and yes, I do mean this seriously), why bother, if the goal is catching those perch? If the goal is simply experimenting to see if it can be done, then, yes, it can, but don’t confuse it with FF’ing (in the "traditional" sense). It seems if you’re interested in catching perch, you’ve seen what works (and works remarkably well) for catching them. I guess I don’t understand the desire to catch anything and everything on a fly rod. Some things just don’t really lend themselves to "flyfishing" (as one normally thinks of FF’ing, and yes, I realize one can rig up something), and IMO, fishing that deep is one of them. By the time you get rigged, you’re going to essentially combining bait-casting with a fly rod. I suppose there’s nothing "wrong" with that, but why not just bait-cast with bait-casting gear, or if one is some kind of FF’ing-gear-only snot, just don’t fish for those things and live with the fact that if you’re gonna be a snot, you lose out. To me, it’s sorta like asking, "I saw a Porsche 996 racing on TV. I have a Suburban/Camry/Ford sedan/Volvo station wagon/(some other unsuited vehicle). Could I race like that? Can I do something to my vehicle to make it work?" Yeah, probably. But again, why? (assuming the goal is racing, and not converting vehicles) You can take out a screw with a butter knife and butter toast with a screwdriver, too, but why not just use the most appropriate and best-suited tool(s) for the task at hand? Thanks for the info.

Pretty sure it’s not the info you wanted, but you’re welcome. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ryan

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Well, if my geometry is right your going to have to cast out 53 feet of line to be at a 35 foot depth 35 feet from where you’re standing. Full sinking line? I’d try a clouser or better yet, a pearl chenille bead/cone head wooly buger. john

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Use the 5 wt rod and fish with little streamers. For example in summer at dog days a freind of mine uses a fly called Jule Trae and a sink tip. He always catches some perch. Good luck and tight lines Wim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday afternoon I wondered down the street to a pier on Lake Washington to test cast my new 3wt rod and reel. I didn’t intend to catch anything and low and behold, I didn’t. Had a great time casting the new rod though. As I was packing up to leave three guys joined me on the pier set up to baitcast for perch. It didn’t take them 1 cast a piece before they were reeling in 5-8 inch perch from approximately 35 feet down. They were using worms and chopped perch meat. My question for the group: How would you go about catching perch on a fly rod off a pier? I have a 3wt, floating line with sink shot, or a 5wt with sink tip. What flies would you recommend? Thanks for the info. Ryan

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R- Points well taken. Thanks, Ryan -Snip-

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You can take out a screw with a butter knife and butter toast with a screwdriver, too, but why not just use the most appropriate and best-suited tool(s) for

Splendid. And thank you. You’ve covered more than fishing here. Sometimes it’s easy to forget the focus of the job at hand. Drew (with a callused spot on my forehead)

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I don’t know rdean may have somethin’ here. I have several heavy weight flyrods, but perching on them just doesn’t sound like a good idea. Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can take out a screw with a butter knife and butter toast with a screwdriver, too, but why not just use the most appropriate and best-suited tool(s) for Splendid. And thank you. You’ve covered more than fishing here. Sometimes it’s easy to forget the focus of the job at hand. Drew (with a callused spot on my forehead)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday afternoon I wondered down the street to a pier on Lake Washington to test cast my new 3wt rod and reel. I didn’t intend to catch anything and low and behold, I didn’t. Had a great time casting the new rod though. As I was packing up to leave three guys joined me on the pier set up to baitcast for perch. It didn’t take them 1 cast a piece before they were reeling in 5-8 inch perch from approximately 35 feet down. They were using worms and chopped perch meat. My question for the group: How would you go about catching perch on a fly rod off a pier? I have a 3wt, floating line with sink shot, or a 5wt with sink tip. What flies would you recommend? Thanks for the info. Ryan

In that location, worm dunking seems to be your only choice. However, I’ve caught plenty of perch in the shallows using a two weight and beadhead nymphs. They take very gently so sight fishing to them in clear water is best. Small streamers should work too. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I love to flyfish, but there’s a hell of a lot to be said for all kinds of fishing and I am of the personal opinion that we get dogmatic about using the flyrod even at times when it is simply not practical. I don’t guess whether you mean using fly rods on the B.A.S.S. pro tour?

Me feeling is that the fly rod might be the very best tool for the job under most conditions when bass are shallow. When bass are deep, we especially should not fish C&R for them, so this isn’t much of a quandary…. TBone

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I love to flyfish, but there’s a hell of a lot to be said for all kinds of fishing and I am of the personal opinion that we get dogmatic about using the flyrod even at times when it is simply not practical. We should not close our eyes to all other kinds of fishing, IMO. The perch are biting here, at Waneka, and I have been out with nightcrawlers and my dachsund Spork for three weekends in a row and we’ve been having a ball.

Um, are you sure Spork likes going out and having a ball with you and nightcrawlers? If PETA (or, possibly, the Colorado State Police) finds out, you’re in BIG trouble…are you sure it isn’t illegal in Colorado, as it is in a number of the other several States… Oh, wait…did you mean you were FISHING with Spork? Well, he must be about gone by now, and frankly, that’s pretty mean just for a few perch. Whoda thunk dachshund were below perch on the food chain….

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<lake washington experiment snipped Drive over to Green Lake and fish dry flies off the pier for landlocked salmon instead. Bring a radio and listen to Niehaus do the Mariners playoff games. Ogle the joggers. Bring a bag of Tim’s Cajun chips. Have an Oberto Cocktail Pep. Bring a buncha BWOs. Watch out for the goose poop. – sid sometimes missing seattle

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…….Bring a bag of Tim’s Cajun chips…….

I knew it. I just KNEW it! First it’s fish, then it’s Dachshunds, and now Cajuns. That’s just wrong! :( Wolfgang

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…….Bring a bag of Tim’s Cajun chips……. I knew it. I just KNEW it! First it’s fish, then it’s Dachshunds, and now Cajuns. That’s just wrong! :( Wolfgang

It’s even worse. It is unethical. Herman

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Can’t argue that, but then there’s always the challenge of doing something the hard way The perch are biting here, at Waneka, and I have been out with nightcrawlers and my dachsund Spork for three weekends in a row and we’ve been having a ball.

"Spork", eh? Perfect. /daytripper (I shoulda known

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I knew it. I just KNEW it! First it’s fish, then it’s Dachshunds, and now Cajuns. That’s just wrong! :(

Dang, I missed it again! What’s wrong with Dachshunds?

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I knew it. I just KNEW it! First it’s fish, then it’s Dachshunds, and now Cajuns. That’s just wrong! :( Dang, I missed it again! What’s wrong with Dachshunds?

Well, aside from a reputed susceptibility to back problems and the usual unsavory canine hygiene practices, not a thing that I can think of. It’s the Cajuns that stick in my craw. Wolfgang

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It’s the Cajuns that stick in my craw.

Try cutting them up into smaller pieces, and chewing them a little longer. hth, Kevin, hoping you didn’t misspell "cojones"

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[snip] Well, aside from a reputed susceptibility to back problems and the usual unsavory canine hygiene practices, not a thing that I can think of. It’s the Cajuns that stick in my craw. Wolfgang

1. Let me report that you may remove the word "reputed" from the above. I have 2 Dachshunds, 1 with a "slipped disc" that has caused her to lose partial movement in her rear legs. 2. What kind of ‘unsavory canine hygience practices’ could you be referring to? You mean when they drag all sorts of dead (either that they’ve killed, or just found) rodents to my door? You mean when they kill a rat and decide to *eat* half of it, and bring me the legs (you know those little bones just irritate their gums)? You mean smelling around for dog crap and then eating it (no, it never happens, really) if it really smells ‘good’? You mean…well, I think I get the picture… Rob p.s. got a craw stuck in my teeth at the last Cajun festival..:)

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…..got a craw stuck in my teeth at the last Cajun festival..:)

Hm….this could lead to all sorts of recursive ruminations. Wolfgang where’s max smart when you really need him?

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I don’t guess whether you mean using fly rods on the B.A.S.S. pro tour? – — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7zSGtrpli/675/DERAlGdAKCDXQHl4/+d80An8f3CJfvXyzMdmACeNJy3 7Gq+de7flkgrCo01m39YZXA= =Ropa —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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The perch are biting here, at Waneka, and I have been out with nightcrawlers and my dachsund Spork for three weekends in a row and we’ve been having a ball.

Sure you can eat perch with a dachshund Spork, but why not use the right tool for the job?

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I don’t know rdean may have somethin’ here. I have several heavy weight flyrods, but perching on them just doesn’t sound like a good idea. Op

Not in ten feet of water.. but they are a lot of fun to fish for in the shallows! Herman

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well, as others have said, it might be tough reaching where the conventional anglers were fishing with light tackle… but in lake washington there are places to catch them in shallower water. when i was a kid, i was a perch killing maniac at lake washington. i fished the wooden bridges at the walking trails near the arboreum (you can see them driving the 520 bridge). i fished small jigs tipped with a chunk of worm, but i don’t doubt that a small white wooley bugger with a conehead, beadhead, or weighted eyes would work. i did best around some of the sunken timber near the edges…. but it has been awhile. and i also did best in july and august. give it a shot, and there’s nothing like fishing next to a bridge jammed with rush hour traffic (which now is almost all day). chris

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I wouldn’t fish for them with a fly rod in that situation. 5 weight with a sink tip probably wouldn’t reach them. Maybe with a Clouser Minnow. In shallow water I’ve caught lots of perch that size with nymphs and small streamers (Clousers, marabou Thundercreeks). And perch more than twice that size on the streamers. Fun with a 3 weight. Glenn << My question for the group: How would you go about catching perch on a fly rod off a pier? I have a 3wt, floating line with sink shot, or a 5wt with sink tip. What flies would you recommend? << Ryan GKT

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What nice thing?

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Before I go off to bed – which I should have done a while ago – I wanted to just think of a nice thing to write about, just in case someone wanted to read about a nice thing – or later write about their own nice thing. Saturday my son and I went to a movie. There is one of those stores that has everything for a dollar near there, so we went there while we waited for the time for the movie. I found a necklace rack – and we make lots of jewelry, so lots of times we get chains from those dollar stores to hold pendants that we create from stones or coral or shells encrusted w/wired strands of beads and semi-precious stones, etc. Okay, so on this rack were also necklaces w/little openwork stars set in colored rhinestones, and also enameled dragonflies and enameled butterflies. We got them all. We like to take jewelries apart and put them back together in new ways with our own new components and it comes out to be a beautiful new things. We thinks that some of you would like to see how they are. If we knew what kinds of things you liked, we could even make some things for yous. Yes, we could and even would. That is what we get enjoyment from – we gives our things aways. Is it pretty to think of the stars w/rhinestones? They are small, the stars, and the rhinestones are tiny. Oh, and guess what? We were at a party on Sunday and there were lots of babies there, and there was one tiny newborn girl who was only three weeks old and her name is Isabella and she was so beautiful and we liked looking at her and she just looked as if her life is going fine. That’s a good thing, isn’t it? And my son swam in the pool and made friends – even though he won’t see them again, because the party was far away – but we are so happy my son can do that, because we didn’t be able to when we was of his age. Thanks for your listenings. Please to write nice things, too, if you feel like it – Beauty.

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great post, Beauty. we, B and me (B being the fellow i care for), have had a busy week. he requested to go to several events this week, more than he ever requested before. one was a small festival by the river in a park that is low lying to the rest of the town since we have gentle mountians surrounding us. he requested a soft serve ice cream cone, and sat in his wheelchair beneath a tree as a local country band played music in the distance in an amphitheatre. we watched people walk by, and some who knew us stopped to chat a bit. the air this evening was warm and slightly humid, and the breeze from the river passing through the trees cooled us. as the sun went down, the lights from small children rides and food vendor’s wagons shown brightly, even with the ball field lights glowing high up above everything and everyone, high up on top of their poles. being a small community in this valley, i recognized many people walking by; people i knew over the past ten years. the younger folks looked so young and behaved in such a free spirited manor, some wearing clothes similar to the style i had worn in the seventies, but somehow more exaggerated. i noticed more jewlery, and piercings. the older women spoke of book reading clubs at the library, and cleaning crates of strawberries for the festival’s one day shortcake event. a few comments about ch*rch, and light humor were shared. B and me felt safe, and took in the varied sounds, and smells, and watched the world go by, as some would say. sometimes all is forgiven and forgotten, and life is breathed in and out of our lungs with welcome and ease. cliff

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Oh, e, I have always loved hearing about your cats. There is a wonderful book I picked up on remainder called C*t K*ngdom, about a kind of experimental cat run some peoples created in Japan – I think it was Japan (I might be inventing that part). The cats had a huge barn and also a huge fenced barnlot, and the peoples just watched – watched how their social structure worked, how they interacted, how their hierarchies worked, etc., over a few generations. It is full of lots of pictures. That’s kind of what your story made me think of – except that your situation is much more free-ranging and – purposeful. And personal. Again, much respect for what you do – and it did give me a lot of pleasure to read about all the cat friends, esp. Ty who growled his way into affection. Oh, yeah, and Stella – that brave, wild queen. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks, Beauty. i liked hearing about the necklaces. and about Isabella and about your son having fun. :-) thanks. the main nice thing in my life now is that my "wild" cats have gone outside, along with most of the older "domestic" cats. they’re all between about 14 mos. old. and 2 1/4 years old. the semi-feral cats and the domestic cats have become good friends. they all seem to get along well and enjoy each other’s company. an almost completely untamed cat, Stella, is their ringleader. (Stella is another story. we got her too late to tame well but she’s such a sweet cat who loved to be petted in her cage and "mothered" most of the other cats, that we had high hopes that she’d tame up; become our new "favorite, wonderful" cat; and sort of take the place of our old favorite, wonderful cat who died recently. but Stella never liked to be held and when she escaped from her cage late this winter, she was gone. except she comes in regularly to eat. anyway, the "house" cats have calmed down. the kittens are almost grown and so tear through the house much less frequently. they’re much calmer and quieter, although they still like to play. all the kittens are lap cats now except Becky who is afraid of the other cats and so mostly stays by the window. Puka, from the litter that came at the wrong time (i had too many other cats, some of them sick, and was out of it from the meds i was taking so i never paid enough attention to them when they were young and most tamable), is very friendly and follows me around like a puppy. but isn’t as yappy. she still doesn’t like anyone else, though so adoption is still a long way off. :-P~ her brother, Silver, was *very* friendly until i tried to get rid of his ear mites. now he only lets me pet him when he’s eating. but he had become so affectionate and he is so sweet that i still think he may eventually tame up better than Puka. we keep hoping that Sid (for Obsidian) will join the outside cats. he’s not at all tame and hides most of the time but i think he’ll be ok outside and will come in for food regularly. Ty, the formerly abused cat who’d lived outside or in our garage, is becoming a house cat. he still spends about half his time outside but he comes in often to be petted. he’s quite demanding. :-) when we first got him (as an adult) – right after he’d been neutered – i was afraid to touch him bc he growled so fiercely when i fed him or otherwise went anywhere near his cage. he kept it up the whole time i was near. after about a month or so, i decided i should let him go to become one of my outside cats. but i thought i should at least give him a chance at becoming domestic so i donned two pairs of leather gloves – he’s large and if he bit me i think it could have easily gone to the bone – and started to pet him. he backed up in the corner of his cage and faced me squarely. he was growling fiercely and loudly and looked poised to pounce. but i was determined to at least try to pet him. somehow i scruffed him and started petting his back. to my amazement, he started purring. when i stopped, he cried as if he wanted me to pet him some more. so i tried but as i reached for him, he growled and looked like he might attack me. but i tried again. and he purred again. this went on for a week or so. every time i’d get near his cage or feed him, he’d growl loudly and look like he was going to attack. but as soon as i began to pet him, he turned into a pussycat. and as soon as i’d stop, he’d cry for more petting. but when i’d try to pet him he’d growl and get in attack position as if he were thinking "if i can’t kill you, i’ll d*e trying." but as soon as i started petting him, he’d purr. after about a week of that (with both my kid and i taking turns petting him bc he was so demanding), he started crying soon before feeding time. and he’d cry for an hour or so after we’d left bc he wanted more petting. (we were usually good for around 30 min but rarely more. sometimes less.) but he’d still growl a LOT when we first began to pet him. it was funny. we’ve now had him around 10 mos. this week, he discovered the joys of laying on the sofa. at first he kept jumping up and running away every time someone or something moved on the sofa (which is frequently when you have lots of cats and a big, pushy dog , but he’s much better about that now. and last night, when i got a toy – one of those flexible plastic sticks that has feathers attached at the end – to play with Puka and Silver (bc poor Puka, who hadn’t been played with in a couple of weeks, was so desperate that she’d been chasing the broom all around as i swept , Ty ran most of the 10 ft. from the sofa, where he’d been laying, to the open door. but i called his name and he stopped and turned around. he didn’t come back but he watched from maybe 6 ft away from the toy. he seemed fascinated but scared as he watched Puka and Silver play. i sat on the sofa, which was next to where i’d been playing with the cats, and called him. he came right away bc he loves to be petted, even if he’s still very skittish around ppl. i petted him and put the feather toy next to him. he sniffed it a while then licked it. then he started batting it so i moved it a bit. he batted it more. then i moved it more and Ty started playing with the feathers. so did Puka. :-) anyway, Ty is still skittish but otherwise you’d never know that he’d ever been anything but a very affectionate, sweet, and demanding cat. and my dog is calming down and not chasing the cats as much. :-) so a few of them actually like him now. :-) he likes that. e Before I go off to bed – which I should have done a while ago – I wanted to just think of a nice thing to write about, just in case someone wanted to read about a nice thing – or later write about their own nice thing. Saturday my son and I went to a movie. There is one of those stores that has everything for a dollar near there, so we went there while we waited for the time for the movie. I found a necklace rack – and we make lots of jewelry, so lots of times we get chains from those dollar stores to hold pendants that we create from stones or coral or shells encrusted w/wired strands of beads and semi-precious stones, etc. Okay, so on this rack were also necklaces w/little openwork stars set in colored rhinestones, and also enameled dragonflies and enameled butterflies. We got them all. We like to take jewelries apart and put them back together in new ways with our own new components and it comes out to be a beautiful new things. We thinks that some of you would like to see how they are. If we knew what kinds of things you liked, we could even make some things for yous. Yes, we could and even would. That is what we get enjoyment from – we gives our things aways. Is it pretty to think of the stars w/rhinestones? They are small, the stars, and the rhinestones are tiny. Oh, and guess what? We were at a party on Sunday and there were lots of babies there, and there was one tiny newborn girl who was only three weeks old and her name is Isabella and she was so beautiful and we liked looking at her and she just looked as if her life is going fine. That’s a good thing, isn’t it? And my son swam in the pool and made friends – even though he won’t see them again, because the party was far away – but we are so happy my son can do that, because we didn’t be able to when we was of his age. Thanks for your listenings. Please to write nice things, too, if you feel like it – Beauty.

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This is a lovely post, too, cliff. Thank you for sharing the beautiful evening. Your words really brought it alive to us. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – great post, Beauty. we, B and me (B being the fellow i care for), have had a busy week. he requested to go to several events this week, more than he ever requested before. one was a small festival by the river in a park that is low lying to the rest of the town since we have gentle mountians surrounding us. he requested a soft serve ice cream cone, and sat in his wheelchair beneath a tree as a local country band played music in the distance in an amphitheatre. we watched people walk by, and some who knew us stopped to chat a bit. the air this evening was warm and slightly humid, and the breeze from the river passing through the trees cooled us. as the sun went down, the lights from small children rides and food vendor’s wagons shown brightly, even with the ball field lights glowing high up above everything and everyone, high up on top of their poles. being a small community in this valley, i recognized many people walking by; people i knew over the past ten years. the younger folks looked so young and behaved in such a free spirited manor, some wearing clothes similar to the style i had worn in the seventies, but somehow more exaggerated. i noticed more jewlery, and piercings. the older women spoke of book reading clubs at the library, and cleaning crates of strawberries for the festival’s one day shortcake event. a few comments about ch*rch, and light humor were shared. B and me felt safe, and took in the varied sounds, and smells, and watched the world go by, as some would say. sometimes all is forgiven and forgotten, and life is breathed in and out of our lungs with welcome and ease. cliff

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Hello, Beauty and J/c, I think your jewellery making sounds wonderful, Beauty, and I would love to see what you do with the stars and things. Sounds lovely! And J/c, you have done some interesting things and seen some, too. My nice thing is that today my pottery class went to a potter’s studio to see his work and where he does it. He has a restaurant there, too, and we all had lunch together. We laughed, and shared food, especially the desserts, and we wandered with the potter in his fabulous gardens. The spring flowers were blooming, peonies bigger than dinner plates, and lupins and iris. The fish were swimming lazily in the pond, and the water lilies were in full blossom. We saw his wheels and the kiln and everything. We watched him throwing, and he showed us some special tools he has devised for certain purposes. It was an afternoon when DID didn’t. Not much. Driving there and back along the country roads where the green grasses and the gardens are lush was wonderful to see and smell. A nice thing today. jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – great post, Beauty. we, B and me (B being the fellow i care for), have had a busy week. he requested to go to several events this week, more than he ever requested before. one was a small festival by the river in a park that is low lying to the rest of the town since we have gentle mountians surrounding us. he requested a soft serve ice cream cone, and sat in his wheelchair beneath a tree as a local country band played music in the distance in an amphitheatre. we watched people walk by, and some who knew us stopped to chat a bit. the air this evening was warm and slightly humid, and the breeze from the river passing through the trees cooled us. as the sun went down, the lights from small children rides and food vendor’s wagons shown brightly, even with the ball field lights glowing high up above everything and everyone, high up on top of their poles. being a small community in this valley, i recognized many people walking by; people i knew over the past ten years. the younger folks looked so young and behaved in such a free spirited manor, some wearing clothes similar to the style i had worn in the seventies, but somehow more exaggerated. i noticed more jewlery, and piercings. the older women spoke of book reading clubs at the library, and cleaning crates of strawberries for the festival’s one day shortcake event. a few comments about ch*rch, and light humor were shared. B and me felt safe, and took in the varied sounds, and smells, and watched the world go by, as some would say. sometimes all is forgiven and forgotten, and life is breathed in and out of our lungs with welcome and ease. cliff

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Oh, it sounds so beautiful, jane. Gardens and food and pots and fish. What more could anyone want? Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Beauty and J/c, I think your jewellery making sounds wonderful, Beauty, and I would love to see what you do with the stars and things. Sounds lovely! And J/c, you have done some interesting things and seen some, too. My nice thing is that today my pottery class went to a potter’s studio to see his work and where he does it. He has a restaurant there, too, and we all had lunch together. We laughed, and shared food, especially the desserts, and we wandered with the potter in his fabulous gardens. The spring flowers were blooming, peonies bigger than dinner plates, and lupins and iris. The fish were swimming lazily in the pond, and the water lilies were in full blossom. We saw his wheels and the kiln and everything. We watched him throwing, and he showed us some special tools he has devised for certain purposes. It was an afternoon when DID didn’t. Not much. Driving there and back along the country roads where the green grasses and the gardens are lush was wonderful to see and smell. A nice thing today. jane great post, Beauty. we, B and me (B being the fellow i care for), have had a busy week. he requested to go to several events this week, more than he ever requested before. one was a small festival by the river in a park that is low lying to the rest of the town since we have gentle mountians surrounding us. he requested a soft serve ice cream cone, and sat in his wheelchair beneath a tree as a local country band played music in the distance in an amphitheatre. we watched people walk by, and some who knew us stopped to chat a bit. the air this evening was warm and slightly humid, and the breeze from the river passing through the trees cooled us. as the sun went down, the lights from small children rides and food vendor’s wagons shown brightly, even with the ball field lights glowing high up above everything and everyone, high up on top of their poles. being a small community in this valley, i recognized many people walking by; people i knew over the past ten years. the younger folks looked so young and behaved in such a free spirited manor, some wearing clothes similar to the style i had worn in the seventies, but somehow more exaggerated. i noticed more jewlery, and piercings. the older women spoke of book reading clubs at the library, and cleaning crates of strawberries for the festival’s one day shortcake event. a few comments about ch*rch, and light humor were shared. B and me felt safe, and took in the varied sounds, and smells, and watched the world go by, as some would say. sometimes all is forgiven and forgotten, and life is breathed in and out of our lungs with welcome and ease. cliff

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That is amazing about the other ducks, and thank you for helping the duck and we holding the duck in thoughts for healing best. And here is a strange and funny thing: we was watching M*ts and Or*oles game on television and there was a pair of mallards which came during about the 2nd inning and stayed through the 8th inning!!! They was just wandering around out on the field together all that time together, and we think that is so funny and amazing and funny and then they just flew off and the camera kept showing us them and they showed us them flying off together, too. Isn’t that funny and odd??? Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well i was at the park and i saw my daughter’s dog running along with someone, it was her friend who is dog-sitting. she stoppedand we were talking a minute when some people were noticing an injured duck at the side of the pond. no one wanted to help it so we took it to the emergency vets and they will see if it can be saved. i haven’t called yet to find out but we felt really good about trying, duck had bad leg, couldn’t swim and would have suffered out in the heat tomorrow if the ants didn’t get it first. what was really touching was how the other ducks were gathered around him and wouldn’t leave him. wish the duck luck. best, samantha

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well i was at the park and i saw my daughter’s dog running along with someone, it was her friend who is dog-sitting. she stoppedand we were talking a minute when some people were noticing an injured duck at the side of the pond. no one wanted to help it so we took it to the emergency vets and they will see if it can be saved. i haven’t called yet to find out but we felt really good about trying, duck had bad leg, couldn’t swim and would have suffered out in the heat tomorrow if the ants didn’t get it first. what was really touching was how the other ducks were gathered around him and wouldn’t leave him. wish the duck luck. best, samantha

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hey – we had ducks too! i did forget all about them until now you say you had ducks. we lived in suburbs too, but there was a little bit of woods and a lake behind our house, and the ducks did live there. they would come quacking up through our back yard, and we would give them bread crumbs or something, and then they would go quacking home. what i remember as good about childhood was the lake behind our house. we would go there, and there was a tree with a little clearing that we could sit under and be lazy, and then there was cattails growing by the lake, and we could walk all around the lake on a little path, and sometimes go down to the water and watch little fishes. and sometimes go fishing too. and i think it’s not allowed now but we would whack the cattails open and it would be like little feathers floating and falling through the air. and then also we would pick the blackberries that did grow there. yum yum and sometimes ouch. i remember now i really did love the lake. tv

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We had ducks, my sister and I, when we were little. They grew up and got white and we gave them to a farm. They were cute ducklings – we had suburbs so we couldn’t have big ducks, it would have been stupid. Thanks for writing. Beauty. hi beauty, those ducks at the game sound really cute! i had pet ducks as a child, have always loved to watch them. all i know about my duck so far is the vet sent him to animal rescue, which i think means he could be saved. still trying to find out more. best, samantha

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We had ducks, my sister and I, when we were little. They grew up and got white and we gave them to a farm. They were cute ducklings – we had suburbs so we couldn’t have big ducks, it would have been stupid. Thanks for writing. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi beauty, those ducks at the game sound really cute! i had pet ducks as a child, have always loved to watch them. all i know about my duck so far is the vet sent him to animal rescue, which i think means he could be saved. still trying to find out more. best, samantha

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Thank you for the nice things. We will tell you of one magical morning. We woke up about 17 years ago in April to a freak blizzard of about four feet, and out of nowhere, perched all over our half a dozen bird feeders (we lived on a hill surrounded by deep woods) were scores of evening grosbeaks – do you know what they look like? They are huge brilliant yellow birds w/parrot beaks and black markings. We couldn’t believe it – we had never seen them before in our lives, and then there they were by the dozen. The other thing we saw that was wonderful once was a group of newly-fledged scarlet tanagers: when they are newly-fledged, they are not completely red yet – they are part red and part green – also like parrots. Amazing! I adore birds – they are the most incredible, incredible, beautiful creatures. There are no words for how wonderful, delicate, unearthly they are. But you know that. Oh – and the unearthly, subtle, inexpressible colors of the mourning doves . . . Best – Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well i was at the park and i saw my daughter’s dog running along with someone, it was her friend who is dog-sitting. she stoppedand we were talking a minute when some people were noticing an injured duck at the side of the pond. no one wanted to help it so we took it to the emergency vets and they will see if it can be saved. i haven’t called yet to find out but we felt really good about trying, duck had bad leg, couldn’t swim and would have suffered out in the heat tomorrow if the ants didn’t get it first. what was really touching was how the other ducks were gathered around him and wouldn’t leave him. wish the duck luck. best, samantha That was so kind of you, samantha. The duck was very lucky that y’all came along. Hope it’s doing better. My nice thing is that the other day I saw a Northern Oriole, and a wild parrot, both within 5 minutes . They were both so incredibly beautiful. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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That was so kind of you, samantha. The duck was very lucky that y’all came along. Hope it’s doing better. My nice thing is that the other day I saw a Northern Oriole, and a wild parrot, both within 5 minutes . They were both so incredibly beautiful. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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hi beauty, those ducks at the game sound really cute! i had pet ducks as a child, have always loved to watch them. all i know about my duck so far is the vet sent him to animal rescue, which i think means he could be saved. still trying to find out more. best, samantha

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Now we say funny – we had our ducks from when they used to have to be allowed to sell them in dime stores, back when the did still have dime stores, which they do not anymore, now they have dollar stores. But one night we all did go to the dime store for something we don’t remember what because we were only maybe four years old and we did see ducklings and chicks under warm lights and going peepeepeep like they do and we were so happy to see them and all of a sudden the fthr said we would get two of them, for my sstr and me and the mthr argued no it was crazy but he did make it happen, and we could hardly believe it!!!!! They did let us pick out our ones and we did, and they did get a shoebox with holes in the top for the ducklings to get air for us to take them home and then we couldn’t stand it for when we got in the car we just had to peek and of course out they did hop and all around the car and peep peep peep and under the seats and things but we did finally get them to get back to us and we got them back into the box and to the house and they did live there, inside and out, until they did get big and white. Beautys. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hey – we had ducks too! i did forget all about them until now you say you had ducks. we lived in suburbs too, but there was a little bit of woods and a lake behind our house, and the ducks did live there. they would come quacking up through our back yard, and we would give them bread crumbs or something, and then they would go quacking home. what i remember as good about childhood was the lake behind our house. we would go there, and there was a tree with a little clearing that we could sit under and be lazy, and then there was cattails growing by the lake, and we could walk all around the lake on a little path, and sometimes go down to the water and watch little fishes. and sometimes go fishing too. and i think it’s not allowed now but we would whack the cattails open and it would be like little feathers floating and falling through the air. and then also we would pick the blackberries that did grow there. yum yum and sometimes ouch. i remember now i really did love the lake. tv We had ducks, my sister and I, when we were little. They grew up and got white and we gave them to a farm. They were cute ducklings – we had suburbs so we couldn’t have big ducks, it would have been stupid. Thanks for writing. Beauty. hi beauty, those ducks at the game sound really cute! i had pet ducks as a child, have always loved to watch them. all i know about my duck so far is the vet sent him to animal rescue, which i think means he could be saved. still trying to find out more. best, samantha

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(trying to focus some, and hurting some too) writitng seems to be my salvaion, eventhough i don’t do it so well. good things, yeah, they happen. like last evening, watching the sunset from a higher point in the valley, before it dipped down low where fields, spotted with round bales of hey and cattle, little homes with white wooden siding and porches, barns and silos, rail and wire fences, and trees reaching the first mountain ridge, exposing the next ridge, and then the next, maybe four rows of mountains leading to the final horizon all in lighter shades of blue. warm air breezes carrying rich sweet smells of fresh cut alphalfa (sp) hey intoxicated my senses. i didn’t want to leave. thanks. oh, and Beauty. i sing everything, proudly, and badly! )) cliff

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cliff, I have read the place where you wrote how much you want to speak/write – how you yearn to reach for language. Oh, you do have it, my friend. Your prose does sing – proudly, proudly – and w/strength. And the humility and pride, hand in hand, augment the strength. Peace – Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (trying to focus some, and hurting some too) writitng seems to be my salvaion, eventhough i don’t do it so well. good things, yeah, they happen. like last evening, watching the sunset from a higher point in the valley, before it dipped down low where fields, spotted with round bales of hey and cattle, little homes with white wooden siding and porches, barns and silos, rail and wire fences, and trees reaching the first mountain ridge, exposing the next ridge, and then the next, maybe four rows of mountains leading to the final horizon all in lighter shades of blue. warm air breezes carrying rich sweet smells of fresh cut alphalfa (sp) hey intoxicated my senses. i didn’t want to leave. thanks. oh, and Beauty. i sing everything, proudly, and badly! )) cliff

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Wow, what wonderful sightings, Beauty. Magical indeed! I love birds, too, as you might have guessed. My most exciting sighting this year was a pileated woodpecker. We get lots of red-bellied, Downy and Hairy woodpeckers, but this was a real treat. He was magnificent (and noisy, even tho’ he was pecking very slowly and deliberately). mdove Thank you for the nice things. We will tell you of one magical morning. We woke up about 17 years ago in April to a freak blizzard of about four feet, and out of nowhere, perched all over our half a dozen bird feeders (we lived on a hill surrounded by deep woods) were scores of evening grosbeaks – do you know what they look like?

Oh, yes. But I’ve only seen one, many years ago. They are huge brilliant yellow birds – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – w/parrot beaks and black markings. We couldn’t believe it – we had never seen them before in our lives, and then there they were by the dozen. The other thing we saw that was wonderful once was a group of newly-fledged scarlet tanagers: when they are newly-fledged, they are not completely red yet – they are part red and part green – also like parrots. Amazing! I adore birds – they are the most incredible, incredible, beautiful creatures. There are no words for how wonderful, delicate, unearthly they are. But you know that. Oh – and the unearthly, subtle, inexpressible colors of the mourning doves . . . Best – Beauty. well i was at the park and i saw my daughter’s dog running along with someone, it was her friend who is dog-sitting. she stoppedand we were talking a minute when some people were noticing an injured duck at the side of the pond. no one wanted to help it so we took it to the emergency vets and they will see if it can be saved. i haven’t called yet to find out but we felt really good about trying, duck had bad leg, couldn’t swim and would have suffered out in the heat tomorrow if the ants didn’t get it first. what was really touching was how the other ducks were gathered around him and wouldn’t leave him. wish the duck luck. best, samantha That was so kind of you, samantha. The duck was very lucky that y’all came along. Hope it’s doing better. My nice thing is that the other day I saw a Northern Oriole, and a wild parrot, both within 5 minutes . They were both so incredibly beautiful. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: message

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You would love it where we are – pileated heaven. Someone once counted 26 pileateds at once in a single site. And we have them living right around us – across the road mostly, in a big old rotten tree. Also, our favorite thing – once we saw a nest of baby ones – just barely fledged – sticking their silly little baby necks all out of the tree squawking for the mthr – and then the next day – they had flown the nest!!! We also had a phoebe who nested for years atop the light just outside our door, attached to our house – we passed w/in inches of her nest coming and going all spring and summer. The last summer she was here she raised two broods – they were *darling*!!!! when they were just to the stage of standing on the edge of the nest ready to fly – looking down at us with this completely unfazed gaze – just too, too baby even to care that we were another species – darling. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, what wonderful sightings, Beauty. Magical indeed! I love birds, too, as you might have guessed. My most exciting sighting this year was a pileated woodpecker. We get lots of red-bellied, Downy and Hairy woodpeckers, but this was a real treat. He was magnificent (and noisy, even tho’ he was pecking very slowly and deliberately). mdove Thank you for the nice things. We will tell you of one magical morning. We woke up about 17 years ago in April to a freak blizzard of about four feet, and out of nowhere, perched all over our half a dozen bird feeders (we lived on a hill surrounded by deep woods) were scores of evening grosbeaks – do you know what they look like? Oh, yes. But I’ve only seen one, many years ago. They are huge brilliant yellow birds w/parrot beaks and black markings. We couldn’t believe it – we had never seen them before in our lives, and then there they were by the dozen. The other thing we saw that was wonderful once was a group of newly-fledged scarlet tanagers: when they are newly-fledged, they are not completely red yet – they are part red and part green – also like parrots. Amazing! I adore birds – they are the most incredible, incredible, beautiful creatures. There are no words for how wonderful, delicate, unearthly they are. But you know that. Oh – and the unearthly, subtle, inexpressible colors of the mourning doves . . . Best – Beauty. well i was at the park and i saw my daughter’s dog running along with someone, it was her friend who is dog-sitting. she stoppedand we were talking a minute when some people were noticing an injured duck at the side of the pond. no one wanted to help it so we took it to the emergency vets and they will see if it can be saved. i haven’t called yet to find out but we felt really good about trying, duck had bad leg, couldn’t swim and would have suffered out in the heat tomorrow if the ants didn’t get it first. what was really touching was how the other ducks were gathered around him and wouldn’t leave him. wish the duck luck. best, samantha That was so kind of you, samantha. The duck was very lucky that y’all came along. Hope it’s doing better. My nice thing is that the other day I saw a Northern Oriole, and a wild parrot, both within 5 minutes . They were both so incredibly beautiful. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: message GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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P.S. – Did you know that pileateds are the only species of woodpecker who begin by pecking slow and get faster as they peck (that is, when they are pecking in rhythm, and not in that single-stroke, deliberate way you mention). So that’s one way you can tell if there are pileateds around even if you don’t see them – their pecking sounds like a ten-penny nail being driven into a telephone pole by an accelerating hammer. W**dy W**dpecker is a pileated. His crazy laugh is modeled on the actual sound they make, which really does sound like maniacal laughter. You can tell the males from the females because the males have crests which are entirely red and the females have crests which are red only along the top of the tuft. You probably know most of that, right? I’m just being excited, because I like to talk about birds. One winter I worked to get chickadees to land in my hands and eat. That spring, they still knew me, and they used to land on my head when I was sitting outside reading. That was one of my most magical experiences ever – the feel of their little feet – I can’t even begin to describe it – and knowing that they would come to me, let their little feathers and bright eyes live so close to my seeing. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, what wonderful sightings, Beauty. Magical indeed! I love birds, too, as you might have guessed. My most exciting sighting this year was a pileated woodpecker. We get lots of red-bellied, Downy and Hairy woodpeckers, but this was a real treat. He was magnificent (and noisy, even tho’ he was pecking very slowly and deliberately). mdove Thank you for the nice things. We will tell you of one magical morning. We woke up about 17 years ago in April to a freak blizzard of about four feet, and out of nowhere, perched all over our half a dozen bird feeders (we lived on a hill surrounded by deep woods) were scores of evening grosbeaks – do you know what they look like? Oh, yes. But I’ve only seen one, many years ago. They are huge brilliant yellow birds w/parrot beaks and black markings. We couldn’t believe it – we had never seen them before in our lives, and then there they were by the dozen. The other thing we saw that was wonderful once was a group of newly-fledged scarlet tanagers: when they are newly-fledged, they are not completely red yet – they are part red and part green – also like parrots. Amazing! I adore birds – they are the most incredible, incredible, beautiful creatures. There are no words for how wonderful, delicate, unearthly they are. But you know that. Oh – and the unearthly, subtle, inexpressible colors of the mourning doves . . . Best – Beauty. well i was at the park and i saw my daughter’s dog running along with someone, it was her friend who is dog-sitting. she stoppedand we were talking a minute when some people were noticing an injured duck at the side of the pond. no one wanted to help it so we took it to the emergency vets and they will see if it can be saved. i haven’t called yet to find out but we felt really good about trying, duck had bad leg, couldn’t swim and would have suffered out in the heat tomorrow if the ants didn’t get it first. what was really touching was how the other ducks were gathered around him and wouldn’t leave him. wish the duck luck. best, samantha That was so kind of you, samantha. The duck was very lucky that y’all came along. Hope it’s doing better. My nice thing is that the other day I saw a Northern Oriole, and a wild parrot, both within 5 minutes . They were both so incredibly beautiful. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: message GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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Hey Beauty Really enjoy reading your *bird* posts…..:o)) Thanx Those pileated sure are something aren’t they!! Don’t get to see very many of them up here.. In fact I think they are on the endangered list… Just a couple of years ago my p*rents stopped the government from building an access road to their secluded community because a mating pair had settled in the bush behind their place.. They live 20 miles to the nearest road and they like it that way..;) Gov. regulations forbade any construction within the area…. :o)) Cool birds to watch… too! :o)) J/c btw… we see a lot of evening grosbeaks up here too!! beautiful!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would love it where we are – pileated heaven. Someone once counted 26 pileateds at once in a single site. And we have them living right around us – across the road mostly, in a big old rotten tree. Also, our favorite thing – once we saw a nest of baby ones – just barely fledged – sticking their silly little baby necks all out of the tree squawking for the mthr – and then the next day – they had flown the nest!!! We also had a phoebe who nested for years atop the light just outside our door, attached to our house – we passed w/in inches of her nest coming and going all spring and summer. The last summer she was here she raised two broods – they were *darling*!!!! when they were just to the stage of standing on the edge of the nest ready to fly – looking down at us with this completely unfazed gaze – just too, too baby even to care that we were another species – darling. Beauty. Wow, what wonderful sightings, Beauty. Magical indeed! I love birds, too, as you might have guessed. My most exciting sighting this year was a pileated woodpecker. We get lots of red-bellied, Downy and Hairy woodpeckers, but this was a real treat. He was magnificent (and noisy, even tho’ he was pecking very slowly and deliberately). mdove Thank you for the nice things. We will tell you of one magical morning. We woke up about 17 years ago in April to a freak blizzard of about four feet, and out of nowhere, perched all over our half a dozen bird feeders (we lived on a hill surrounded by deep woods) were scores of evening grosbeaks – do you know what they look like? Oh, yes. But I’ve only seen one, many years ago. They are huge brilliant yellow birds w/parrot beaks and black markings. We couldn’t believe it – we had never seen them before in our lives, and then there they were by the dozen. The other thing we saw that was wonderful once was a group of newly-fledged scarlet tanagers: when they are newly-fledged, they are not completely red yet – they are part red and part green – also like parrots. Amazing! I adore birds – they are the most incredible, incredible, beautiful creatures. There are no words for how wonderful, delicate, unearthly they are. But you know that. Oh – and the unearthly, subtle, inexpressible colors of the mourning doves . . . Best – Beauty. well i was at the park and i saw my daughter’s dog running along with someone, it was her friend who is dog-sitting. she stoppedand we were talking a minute when some people were noticing an injured duck at the side of the pond. no one wanted to help it so we took it to the emergency vets and they will see if it can be saved. i haven’t called yet to find out but we felt really good about trying, duck had bad leg, couldn’t swim and would have suffered out in the heat tomorrow if the ants didn’t get it first. what was really touching was how the other ducks were gathered around him and wouldn’t leave him. wish the duck luck. best, samantha That was so kind of you, samantha. The duck was very lucky that y’all came along. Hope it’s doing better. My nice thing is that the other day I saw a Northern Oriole, and a wild parrot, both within 5 minutes . They were both so incredibly beautiful. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: message GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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You would love it where we are – pileated heaven. Someone once counted 26 pileateds at once in a single site.

Yes, I would love that. I can’t even imagine a sight like that! About 11 years ago I saw a pair, but hadn’t seen any since, until this one. And we have them living right around us – across the road mostly, in a big old rotten tree. Also, our favorite thing – once we saw a nest of baby ones – just barely fledged – sticking their silly little baby necks all out of the tree squawking for the mthr – and then the next day – they had flown the nest!!!

Oh, wow!! I’ll bet they were cute (or so ugly they were cute.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We also had a phoebe who nested for years atop the light just outside our door, attached to our house – we passed w/in inches of her nest coming and going all spring and summer. The last summer she was here she raised two broods – they were *darling*!!!! when they were just to the stage of standing on the edge of the nest ready to fly – looking down at us with this completely unfazed gaze – just too, too baby even to care that we were another species – darling.

Wonderful!!!!! Once we had the privilege of watching a chuck-will’s-widow nesting in our yard (actually, there was no visible nest at all-she just laid her eggs on the ground. It was a wonderful treat because we had heard them at night for many years, but had never seen one. We got to see her and her three young ones up close and personal. An amazing bird–really put on quite a display if anyone got to close to the nest. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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Didn’t know that….or if I did, I forgot W**dy W**dpecker is a pileated. His crazy laugh is modeled on the actual sound they make, which really does sound like maniacal laughter. You can tell the males from the females because the males have crests which are entirely red and the females have crests which are red only along the top of the tuft.

Yep, knew that….this one was a male. You probably know most of that, right? I’m just being excited, because I like to talk about birds.

Several years ago I used to lurk at rec.birds……lots of bird talk there. At least there used to be. I used to know a lot more about birds than I do now. I kind of lost interest while I was really depressed, and have forgotten quite a bit, but my enthusiasm for birdwatching has been returning during the past couple years. I need to get some new binoculars and get back out there.. One winter I worked to get chickadees to land in my hands and eat. That spring, they still knew me, and they used to land on my head when I was sitting outside reading. That was one of my most magical experiences ever – the feel of their little feet – I can’t even begin to describe it – and knowing that they would come to me, let their little feathers and bright eyes live so close to my seeing. Beauty.

Oh, that is so cute…..<broad smile what a wonderful experience. Thank you for sharing this. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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thanks so much to tv, Beauty, samantha, mdove, and others who’ve talked about their experiences with birds. :-) i like watching birds but try to discourage them from being in my yard, partly bc of my cats and partly bc of the neighborhood dogs, including mine. but to have birds land on your head would be magical! :-) i can’t imagine how much work it must have taken. i’m reminded of Beauty from the story "Beauty" (IIRC) which was a retelling of "Beauty and the Beast". oh, and D*sney’s and others’ versions of the story, too. :-) e You would love it where we are – pileated heaven. Someone once counted 26 pileateds at once in a single site. And we have them living right around us – across the road mostly, in a big old rotten tree. Also, our favorite thing – once we saw a nest of baby ones – just barely fledged – sticking their silly little baby necks all out of the tree squawking for the mthr – and then the next day – they had flown the nest!!! We also had a phoebe who nested for years atop the light just outside our door, attached to our house – we passed w/in inches of her nest coming and going all spring and summer. The last summer she was here she raised two broods – they were *darling*!!!! when they were just to the stage of standing on the edge of the nest ready to fly – looking down at us with this completely unfazed gaze – just too, too baby even to care that we were another species – darling. Beauty.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One winter I worked to get chickadees to land in my hands and eat. That spring, they still knew me, and they used to land on my head when I was sitting outside reading. That was one of my most magical experiences ever – the feel of their little feet – I can’t even begin to describe it – and knowing that they would come to me, let their little feathers and bright eyes live so close to my seeing. Wow, what wonderful sightings, Beauty. Magical indeed! I love birds, too, as you might have guessed. My most exciting sighting this year was a pileated woodpecker. We get lots of red-bellied, Downy and Hairy woodpeckers, but this was a real treat. He was magnificent (and noisy, even tho’ he was pecking very slowly and deliberately). mdove Thank you for the nice things. We will tell you of one magical morning. We woke up about 17 years ago in April to a freak blizzard of about four feet, and out of nowhere, perched all over our half a dozen bird feeders (we lived on a hill surrounded by deep woods) were scores of evening grosbeaks – do you know what they look like? Oh, yes. But I’ve only seen one, many years ago. They are huge brilliant yellow birds w/parrot beaks and black markings. We couldn’t believe it – we had never seen them before in our lives, and then there they were by the dozen. The other thing we saw that was wonderful once was a group of newly-fledged scarlet tanagers: when they are newly-fledged, they are not completely red yet – they are part red and part green – also like parrots. Amazing! I adore birds – they are the most incredible, incredible, beautiful creatures. There are no words for how wonderful, delicate, unearthly they are. But you know that. Oh – and the unearthly, subtle, inexpressible colors of the mourning doves . . .

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Sometimes we pretend that when they say "dee dee dee" they are really advertising the latest in video recording technology (DVD). It’s funny when you think of it in chickadee talk. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – P.S. – Did you know that pileateds are the only species of woodpecker who begin by pecking slow and get faster as they peck (that is, when they are pecking in rhythm, and not in that single-stroke, deliberate way you mention). So that’s one way you can tell if there are pileateds around even if you don’t see them – their pecking sounds like a ten-penny nail being driven into a telephone pole by an accelerating hammer. Didn’t know that….or if I did, I forgot W**dy W**dpecker is a pileated. His crazy laugh is modeled on the actual sound they make, which really does sound like maniacal laughter. You can tell the males from the females because the males have crests which are entirely red and the females have crests which are red only along the top of the tuft. Yep, knew that….this one was a male. You probably know most of that, right? I’m just being excited, because I like to talk about birds. Several years ago I used to lurk at rec.birds……lots of bird talk there. At least there used to be. I used to know a lot more about birds than I do now. I kind of lost interest while I was really depressed, and have forgotten quite a bit, but my enthusiasm for birdwatching has been returning during the past couple years. I need to get some new binoculars and get back out there.. One winter I worked to get chickadees to land in my hands and eat. That spring, they still knew me, and they used to land on my head when I was sitting outside reading. That was one of my most magical experiences ever – the feel of their little feet – I can’t even begin to describe it – and knowing that they would come to me, let their little feathers and bright eyes live so close to my seeing. Beauty. Oh, that is so cute…..<broad smile what a wonderful experience. Thank you for sharing this. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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Oh, yes, the pileateds were purely cute. And we do love those ground-nesting "willow" birds – nightjars, are they called, as a type? Our favorite is the whip-poor-will – what a beautiful, beautiful haunting sound, which echoes from mountain to mountain through the early pre-dawn mists. And if you hear one close enough, you hear a tiny cough just before the call. Also reminds me – have you see the woodcocks do their mating dance? Or hummingbirds? We’ll explain, given the slightest excuse. Never did see a chuck-will’s-widow. Our other favorites are the little screech owls we get to hear in our riverine woods, and the pair of great horned owls also nesting along the river. The female of the species has the deeper voice of the two. Oh, and once a barred owl got tangled in some fishing wire and we got to help rescue her – and her eyes – oh the solemn depth of blackness – and the soft depth of feathers. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would love it where we are – pileated heaven. Someone once counted 26 pileateds at once in a single site. Yes, I would love that. I can’t even imagine a sight like that! About 11 years ago I saw a pair, but hadn’t seen any since, until this one. And we have them living right around us – across the road mostly, in a big old rotten tree. Also, our favorite thing – once we saw a nest of baby ones – just barely fledged – sticking their silly little baby necks all out of the tree squawking for the mthr – and then the next day – they had flown the nest!!! Oh, wow!! I’ll bet they were cute (or so ugly they were cute.) We also had a phoebe who nested for years atop the light just outside our door, attached to our house – we passed w/in inches of her nest coming and going all spring and summer. The last summer she was here she raised two broods – they were *darling*!!!! when they were just to the stage of standing on the edge of the nest ready to fly – looking down at us with this completely unfazed gaze – just too, too baby even to care that we were another species – darling. Wonderful!!!!! Once we had the privilege of watching a chuck-will’s-widow nesting in our yard (actually, there was no visible nest at all-she just laid her eggs on the ground. It was a wonderful treat because we had heard them at night for many years, but had never seen one. We got to see her and her three young ones up close and personal. An amazing bird–really put on quite a display if anyone got to close to the nest. mdove — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And, p.s., we also have wild turkeys in abundance around here, and I saw a baby turkey once and it was *funny* *funny* *funny* looking. And we do love those ground-nesting "willow" birds – nightjars, are they called, as a type? Yep… Our favorite is the whip-poor-will – what a beautiful, beautiful haunting sound, which echoes from mountain to mountain through the early pre-dawn mists. And if you hear one close enough, you hear a tiny cough just before the call. Chuck-will’s-widow sounds very similar to the whip-poor-will, I think, except there is a little "chuck" sound before the call. I didn’t realize the whip-poor-will had the cough sound. Interesting birds. Maybe the cough was a chuck. Seems likely. Or a cluck. Or something. It was a very, very, very small sound, only audible because the bird was practically sitting on my windowsill. Well, under it. Also reminds me – have you see the woodcocks do their mating dance? I’ve never seen a woodcock in RL, only on television. They are pretty cool looking. That must be quite a sight. Here’s what they do. They like to live near wetlands that have adjacent meadows – they go into the meadows at twilight. The males fly straight up like rockets and then come spiraling down – and as they come down, special feathers in their wings cause a whistling sound!!! I’ve seen the females sitting on the ground, too – kind of looking like, "Get off it." You know.

Too cool. I’d love to see that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Or hummingbirds? Have seen many ruby-throated, but none doing a mating dance, unfortunately. They are amazing. Male hummingbirds also have special feathers that cause a humming sound when they do their mating thing – which is a wide, swinging, pendulum motion in flight, before the seated female. We’ll explain, given the slightest excuse. Never did see a chuck-will’s-widow. Our other favorites are the little screech owls we get to hear in our riverine woods, and the pair of great horned owls also nesting along the river. The female of the species has the deeper voice of the two. You know, we have one of those bird clocks, and the 12:00 bird is the great horned owl. That is fine for noon, but if I am working at the computer at night, I need to remember to dim the lights in here prior to midnight, or the hoot resounds throughout the house. When we first got the clock, my son used to imitate the owl incessantly. Once I was awakened at 3:00 am by the sound and was just about to yell out at him to knock it off (I wasn’t quite fully awake), when I realized it was the actual bird, very close to our house. We had never heard one before we purchased that silly clock, and were wondering if perhaps the clock had attracted one (it is a really loud clock!) They have about five or six hoots per call – hoo! hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo . . . hoo – I never knew that until I read Peterson’s guide and then heard them.

Yes….this clock is very accurate, as was my son’s imitation. Now we call all do it, but my son’s hoo-ing is by far the best. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, and once a barred owl got tangled in some fishing wire and we got to help rescue her – and her eyes – oh the solemn depth of blackness – and the soft depth of feathers. What an incredible experience that must have been. Was she calm as you helped her? They’ve got some pretty sharp talons. She was calm as a lamb. I think she was so frightened – she had been up there so long – and probably weak – that she had no fight in her. We have pictures of her, because the local newspaper was there and got color photos.

Wonderful… Thanks for reading. I like this talking about birds – they make me happy when nothing else does.

me, too. I like butterflies, too. I used to have 2 butterfly gardens, but surrendered them to the weeds during a couple years of depression. One is totally gone, but the other is probably salvageable. Maybe I’ll go out there one of these days and try to start rehabilitating it. Today, too, we saw a beautiful butterfly – I don’t know what kind – yellow and black on top with yellow and black and aqua underneath!

Sounds beautiful. I have a butterfly book around here somewhere. Haven’t looked in it in ages. And the black raspberries suddenly turned ripe – as my son discovered. He wrote a beautiful poem called The Garden: Like the garden of Eden it is. So vast, like the ocean. The hours fly like a bird in the air, when I am there.

Oh, that is beautiful beyond words! Can you see why I love him so much?

Absolutely! Oh, shoot….it’s midnight, and I forgot to dim the lights. There goes "Hoots"….. g’night mdove Beauty.

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snip Thanks for reading. I like this talking about birds – they make me happy when nothing else does. me, too. I like butterflies, too. I used to have 2 butterfly gardens, but surrendered them to the weeds during a couple years of depression. One is totally gone, but the other is probably salvageable. Maybe I’ll go out there one of these days and try to start rehabilitating it.

do you have any recommendations for plants (for next year)? i love butterflies. i have since i was a kid. i used to know quite a bit about them but i’ve forgotten most of it. i’ve never known which plants attract butterflies. TIA (thanks in advance), e — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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What mdove said and also – bergamot, beebalm, monarda (all names for the same thing) – hummingbirds love those, too. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip Thanks for reading. I like this talking about birds – they make me happy when nothing else does. me, too. I like butterflies, too. I used to have 2 butterfly gardens, but surrendered them to the weeds during a couple years of depression. One is totally gone, but the other is probably salvageable. Maybe I’ll go out there one of these days and try to start rehabilitating it. do you have any recommendations for plants (for next year)? i love butterflies. i have since i was a kid. i used to know quite a bit about them but i’ve forgotten most of it. i’ve never known which plants attract butterflies. TIA (thanks in advance), e — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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snip do you have any recommendations for plants [that attract butterflies]? Well, keep in mind that I’m no expert, and it probably depends on where you live. You might try some verbena, buddleia (butterfly bush), pentas,

what are pentas? do they take much water? asters, and even marigolds. In my yard I have blue porterweed, pentas, day lilies, passion flower, lantana, and some other stuff I can’t identify.

i have day lilies. they grow well, although the ones in shade don’t flower much. is passion flower the same as passion vine (Passifloraceae)? thanks for the recommendations. i’ll try some of them. I know monarchs like milkweed, but I’ve never seen it growing around here, and haven’t tried planting any. Your local cooperative extension could probably provide you with information about what to plant for butterflies that are inhabitants of your area.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » books to read

books to read

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Does anybody know of any good fishing books to read. I’m lookin for a book about the pleasures of fishin in a philisophical sense. Not the fly fishing type of book….A book about fishing/guiding/travelling & fishing etc Al Have fishing rod…will travel. Prospective accomplice in fishing

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Know lots of great fishing books but not to many that fill your requirement. Only 2 I can think of were Shaw Grigsby’s book, and Jimmy Huston’s, "Caught me a Big ‘Un". There are a lot more from the fly fishing side of the sport. I am a lot better on the educational stuff. dan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know of any good fishing books to read. I’m lookin for a book about the pleasures of fishin in a philisophical sense. Not the fly fishing type of book….A book about fishing/guiding/travelling & fishing etc Al Have fishing rod…will travel. Prospective accomplice in fishing

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Thanks Dan i am aware of those 2 books. I picked up a book today by Richard Louv. He travels through America…meeting other fisherman.I like it because it is a thick book (475 pages) and a cheapo price $5.99. Al Have fishing rod…will travel. Prospective accomplice in fishing

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Darwin’s Bass & Pavlov’s Trout — both by Paul Quinnett. It’s been a while since I read them, but I found them both very enjoyable reads for ‘non-how-to’ type books. RichZ

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » quick evening at the local lake

quick evening at the local lake

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All the other Waynes that hang out around here seem to like it also. Welcome! Big Dale

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I went down the the small lake that is near my house. I have just started fly fishing and this was my 3rd time. I stuffed a few thing in the pockets of my jeans, threw on tennis shoes and scrammed. I tied on a small white popper and worked the shoreline along the dam. Only fished for about an hour but caught 2 small bass and a bluegill all on that small popper. They were small but they were fun to catch!! I released them all. I think I like this fly fishing !! wayne

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Congratulations on the success. Sorry to hear you have been afflicted with the fly fishing virus. Once hooked, there is no turning back <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I just saw "Wayne" and continued to read. I then realized that it was a new Wayne (and welcome to you). Unfortunately, this means its time to cull the Wayne’s. As a matter of fact, when we do, I want a jacket made from one. Yeah, thats right, Wayne’s coating. Frank "There’s only two of us" Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I went down the the small lake that is near my house. I have just started fly fishing and this was my 3rd time. I stuffed a few thing in the pockets of my jeans, threw on tennis shoes and scrammed. I tied on a small white popper and worked the shoreline along the dam. Only fished for about an hour but caught 2 small bass and a bluegill all on that small popper. They were small but they were fun to catch!! I released them all. I think I like this fly fishing !! wayne

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Yes, there is a wayne and a wayno….maybe he could be the bounding wayne? john

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Can’t spell? Wains. grin — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank "There’s only two of us" Reid I went down the the small lake that is near my house. I have just started fly fishing and this was my 3rd time. I stuffed a few thing in the pockets of my jeans, threw on tennis shoes and scrammed. I tied on a small white popper and worked the shoreline along the dam. Only fished for about an hour but caught 2 small bass and a bluegill all on that small popper. They were small but they were fun to catch!! I released them all. I think I like this fly fishing !! wayne

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Oman / Persian Gulf / Pakistan Query

Oman / Persian Gulf / Pakistan Query

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Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries

My friend’s father was a weapons salseman for Raytheon based in the UAE. He told me the whole area was teeming with fish. Showed me a picture of him holding up a sailfish. He himself wasn’t into fishing but was surprised at how good the fishing was. This was about 10 years ago. Sorry, don’t have any more specific info. Mu

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Last question first, no, I do not live there but have been in that area too many times to count – maybe a hundred – often for a couple of months per-visit.

I was brought up there and just in the process of moving back There are (were) a couple of hotels in Oman that promoted fishing as part of a tourism package, but FF-ing is seldom seen in the Gulf.

of effect or awareness ? With a British passport, you have a greater degree of freedom in areas where the Crown formerly held sway (still does).

I knew it was useful for something …… The Emirates are safer than most US or UK territories,

One of the reasons I want to move back out there but not Pakistan. There are lots of fish-bearing fresh water rivers and streams in Pakistan, particularly in the mountainous areas, but those are mostly in/near the disputed zones and, ignoring the cross-border risks, there are banditos who have absolutely no regard to who you are or where you came from, as long as someone will pay for your return. If you’re captured and nobody seems interested in paying, you become fertilizer and the next "guest" comes into view.

Yet again politics get in the way enough said on this one ……oh well some day … Be careful.

or just sensible and not go rgds JF

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I have hear the ‘Sailfish Mecca’ comment from a few people ….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries My friend’s father was a weapons salseman for Raytheon based in the UAE. He told me the whole area was teeming with fish. Showed me a picture of him holding up a sailfish. He himself wasn’t into fishing but was surprised at how good the fishing was. This was about 10 years ago. Sorry, don’t have any more specific info. Mu

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During one trip to the Gulf, a local English language newspaper had an article (with photo), about a large black marlin that was caught in the Indian Ocean, just below the Straits of Hormuz (Oman). I believe that an Australian or Kiwi had begun a charter fishing business in Muscat for the purpose of catching the "big fish". Generally, the Gulf waters are shallow, excepting specific "lanes" that are regularly dredged from the northern end of the straits to the oil terminals off Saudi and Mina al-Ahmadi off Kuwait to support the deep draft tankers. Most of the "big fish" talk that I’ve heard was specific to the deeper waters in the northern Indian Ocean along the southern coast of OMAN. Keep in mind that the distances are short between these places and with a Brit passport, you can move freely between any of those countries without the necessity for visas or NOC’s. The whole area is a fascinating place with vestiges of history traceable back over a long span of time (human time). Fishing is only one recreational aspect. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have hear the ‘Sailfish Mecca’ comment from a few people ….. Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries My friend’s father was a weapons salseman for Raytheon based in the UAE. He told me the whole area was teeming with fish. Showed me a picture of him holding up a sailfish. He himself wasn’t into fishing but was surprised at how good the fishing was. This was about 10 years ago. Sorry, don’t have any more specific info. Mu

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Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks

Hi, My brother spent time in the Persian Gulf. He always talked about stripping streamers there with a very large rod. To see a picture of my brother in the Persian Gulf (although he’s not fishing at the moment), go to http://www.montana.com/dno/brian.htm . Scroll toward the bottom and you’ll see Marcus Nelson in the Persian Gulf but be prepared for a large K download. There’s lots of photos. Other than that, thats as close as I can come. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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thanks Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks Hi, My brother spent time in the Persian Gulf. He always talked about stripping streamers there with a very large rod. To see a picture of my brother in the Persian Gulf (although he’s not fishing at the moment), go to http://www.montana.com/dno/brian.htm . Scroll toward the bottom and you’ll see Marcus Nelson in the Persian Gulf but be prepared for a large K download. There’s lots of photos. Other than that, thats as close as I can come. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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Hi Tom thanks for the quick response Yes, but it’s not popular. I have flyfished along the Northern coast of the Emirates (West of the cement factory at the Omani border) a few times, but most fishing is with bait. Of interest, there are BIG tarpon in those warm waters.

Is this due to results ….or simply that fly is not promoted locally ? One of the most nervous moments of my life occurred in about 1989 about 5 miles off the coast of Ras al-Khaimah, while fishing on a Friday. Around midday, we were bottom-fishing over a big rock pile and pretty oblivious to our surroundings when I noticed an Iranian gunboat about a half mile away and closing. Note that we were clearly in UAE waters, but there was no way to know what the Irani crew had in mind. I was prepared to eat my US passport, when a US Navy helicopter rose above the horizon and began to prosecute the gunboat. There was no offensive action by either and the gunboat retreated toward his territorial waters while we began thinking about getting out of that area.

I have heard of the Navy prtecting fisheries ….but that is dramatic ….. We did catch a few Cobia which we enjoyed that night, cooked over charcoal and brushed with lemon butter.

Sounds marvelous As for freshwater fishing in Pakistan, DO NOT plan on venturing anywhere in the bush unless you’re in the immediate company of an armed band. Check with the US Embassy in Islamabad or the Consulate in Karachi before you make any plans.

I am British so will liase with my Embassy there …..is it worth it is there any fishing to be had ? Did you live in the Emirates ? thanks again James

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Last question first, no, I do not live there but have been in that area too many times to count – maybe a hundred – often for a couple of months per-visit. There are (were) a couple of hotels in Oman that promoted fishing as part of a tourism package, but FF-ing is seldom seen in the Gulf. With a British passport, you have a greater degree of freedom in areas where the Crown formerly held sway (still does). The Emirates are safer than most US or UK territories, but not Pakistan. There are lots of fish-bearing fresh water rivers and streams in Pakistan, particularly in the mountainous areas, but those are mostly in/near the disputed zones and, ignoring the cross-border risks, there are banditos who have absolutely no regard to who you are or where you came from, as long as someone will pay for your return. If you’re captured and nobody seems interested in paying, you become fertilizer and the next "guest" comes into view. Be careful. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tom thanks for the quick response Yes, but it’s not popular. I have flyfished along the Northern coast of the Emirates (West of the cement factory at the Omani border) a few times, but most fishing is with bait. Of interest, there are BIG tarpon in those warm waters. Is this due to results ….or simply that fly is not promoted locally ? One of the most nervous moments of my life occurred in about 1989 about 5 miles off the coast of Ras al-Khaimah, while fishing on a Friday. Around midday, we were bottom-fishing over a big rock pile and pretty oblivious to our surroundings when I noticed an Iranian gunboat about a half mile away and closing. Note that we were clearly in UAE waters, but there was no way to know what the Irani crew had in mind. I was prepared to eat my US passport, when a US Navy helicopter rose above the horizon and began to prosecute the gunboat. There was no offensive action by either and the gunboat retreated toward his territorial waters while we began thinking about getting out of that area. I have heard of the Navy prtecting fisheries ….but that is dramatic ….. We did catch a few Cobia which we enjoyed that night, cooked over charcoal and brushed with lemon butter. Sounds marvelous As for freshwater fishing in Pakistan, DO NOT plan on venturing anywhere in the bush unless you’re in the immediate company of an armed band. Check with the US Embassy in Islamabad or the Consulate in Karachi before you make any plans. I am British so will liase with my Embassy there …..is it worth it is there any fishing to be had ? Did you live in the Emirates ? thanks again James

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Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks

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Yes, but it’s not popular. I have flyfished along the Northern coast of the Emirates (West of the cement factory at the Omani border) a few times, but most fishing is with bait. Of interest, there are BIG tarpon in those warm waters. One of the most nervous moments of my life occurred in about 1989 about 5 miles off the coast of Ras al-Khaimah, while fishing on a Friday. Around midday, we were bottom-fishing over a big rock pile and pretty oblivious to our surroundings when I noticed an Iranian gunboat about a half mile away and closing. Note that we were clearly in UAE waters, but there was no way to know what the Irani crew had in mind. I was prepared to eat my US passport, when a US Navy helicopter rose above the horizon and began to prosecute the gunboat. There was no offensive action by either and the gunboat retreated toward his territorial waters while we began thinking about getting out of that area. We did catch a few Cobia which we enjoyed that night, cooked over charcoal and brushed with lemon butter. As for freshwater fishing in Pakistan, DO NOT plan on venturing anywhere in the bush unless you’re in the immediate company of an armed band. Check with the US Embassy in Islamabad or the Consulate in Karachi before you make any plans. Tom Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Otter

Otter

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Early one morning on Nokomis Lake (about 60 miles NW of Southend SK/Reindeer Lake) we were startled by a "snorting and huffing" sound in the water, less than 30m away from our canoe… we were paddling 200m from shore, and saw 2 (?adult) otters "standing" in the water for a better view of the "intruder" (us?)…didn’t realize that they were able to raise themselves out of the water quite so high. (As if "standing upright")…the snorting and huffing continued until we were beyond hearing. I wonder what the "otter-ese" version of this encounter might have been? I don’t think they were as pleased to see us, as we were to mark their "indignation". —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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We had a family of them under our house several years back. Noisy, messy, smelly. mike

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I saw 3 otters while fly fishing on the McCloud River (CA) in the Nature Conservancy Preserve 2 years ago. There I was in water up to my chest peacefully working a hole when the calm was shattered by a huge splash, then another and another. Scared the bejesus out of me. I looked around and saw nothing. A few seconds later it happened again. The otters were climbing out of the water onto rocks and then jumping in one after the other. It seemed like they were just playing. They swam around and around writhing around each other and periodically popping up out of the water and then splashing back in. They seemed completely unconcerned about the presence of my friend and I. This lasted for a few minutes and then they swam off upstream doing the same antics as far as we could see them. Of course they ruined the fishing but it was a magical moment that made the whole trip.

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I was boogie boarding in Santa Cruz one morning and I felt something nibble at my fin. I turned to look and saw a seal pop his head up and look at me. He did that a couple more times and I thought he was going to bite me or something and I kept swimming away. Finally after about 10 min I realized he was just playing and I turned to chase him. He ducked under water and came up nibbling my fin again. This went on for over an hour!!! I was swimming figure eights thru surfers but he wasn’t interested in them, just kept playing with me. When I went in to shore, I took off my fin to show my hubbie who had been surfing down the beach a ways…not a mark on them!!! Dee

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– They’re pretty fearless. In water they have no peers, unlike the sea otters who have to watch out for things like killer whales. On land the only things that could get them would be coyotes, wolves, or cougars. And they’ve a reputation for being a bit fierce as fighters, which might tend to make them less desirable as prey by the afore mentioned creatures. They are members of the weasel family, after all. They’re efficient at food gathering, so they have time to goof off a lot. And they’re just cute as all get out.

I snuck up on a big coon the other evening at sunset. He was sitting on the root of a huge cypress tree right above the waterline catching crawfish for supper. He’d peer intently into the shallow water until he spied one then quick as lightening plunge his paw in and grab it. He was real deft at not getting pinched and grabbed’em just right each time. During that trip, I also saw Snowy Egret, Great Blue, Great White, and Little Green Heron, Ibis, Oppossum, Diamond Back Watersnake, Moccassin, Nutria, and a Gator. Silent paddling technique allows for successful wildlife observation. Floatin, John

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They’re pretty fearless. In water they have no peers, unlike the sea otters who have to watch out for things like killer whales. On land the only things that could get them would be coyotes, wolves, or cougars. And they’ve a reputation for being a bit fierce as fighters, which might tend to make them less desirable as prey by the afore mentioned creatures. They are members of the weasel family, after all. They’re efficient at food gathering, so they have time to goof off a lot. And they’re just cute as all get out. —– rec.backcountry vixen I only answer my email every few months, on average. Patience helps. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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A neat otter report. I wish more readers of the NG would post articles like that. :-) Thanks Cyli - Robert

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Thats interesting-a few weeks ago, I was walking my dog along an abandoned road in northeast MN, when I heard an animal running through the woods. I finally saw a long, low animal bounding towards us. I couldnt get a clean look at it because of the underbrush-at first I thought beaver, but beaver dont run that fast. Then I thought fisher, but it didnt look quite right either. Anyway, this thing, whatever it was, was running straight at us and was not slowing down. I figured it could see us, we were less than 100 feet away, and it just kept coming. When it was about to break through the brush at roads edge, I debated hunkering down and waiting for it to come out on the road so I get a clear view of it. At the last second I decided that wasnt a good idea, I wasnt sure what it was, it was behaving strangely (asuming it could see me anyway), rabies crossed my mind, and I didnt want whatever it was to charge out of the woods only to land on me or my 100 lb dog. So I said "Hey" just before it would have come upon us, and it turned and raced off without me ever getting an unobstructed view of it. Later, I walked a trail that headed towards where the animal had come from, and I found a flowage about 200 feet from the road, with abundant otter sign on the banks. I’m not certain the animal was an otter but it seems pretty likely. Perhaps otters dont have great eyesight out of water. Wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today I was near enough the far edge of front country that only one powerboat passed me (the water’s high here, so motors could get up that part of the river.) and had one heck of a good day trip. With the water high, I was able to get a mile or two up a creek that’s normally about an inch or two deep and then come back down quickly. Very quickly in a couple of spots. But, back out on the river, I checked out a couple of islands I’d never quite managed to canoe or kayak up to before (usually stopping half a mile short at an island that happened to be underwater today) and then back down, trying to backpaddle and taking a lunch break to make the day last. I did manage to be out 8 hours. About half an hour after lunch and drifting downriver, I saw a small brown animal head making progress across my path. Thinking it was a beaver, I slowed a bit, as it’s only kind not to scare them more than necessary. But it dove and didn’t tail slap, came up a bit upstream, dove again, and still no slap. Then started swimming up to the land side of me. I gave it a bit more room, as this is what young beavers tend to do when scared. They head straight for home, even if it means they have to get closer to the scarey thing. However, when it got within 10 feet, it dove again and it was obvious it was an otter. I burbled aloud with joy as it rose and fixed me with a beady eye, then turned its head and gave me the other eye. By then I was cooing at it. So it swam closer, giving the sniff/look test to me and the kayak. At just over arm’s length, he aparently made up his mind and started straight for the cockpit, so he could climb up. Uh. 10 to 15 pounds of soaking wet wild animal in my lap? With the kind of claws and teeth that can open clams very easily and quickly? Of carnivorous genes, which I’ve noticed gives animals a tendency to express affection with ‘love bites’? No. Which is exactly what I said as I dropped the kayak paddle in his path. He took offense (not surprising), dove and swam up upstream. I regretted his going, but not his absence from my lap. He got about a hundred yards away and then turned back to look at me. I cooed and burbled some more. He vanished. I went downstream. Looked back for some reason about 10 minutes later and there he was, keeping watch on me from about 50 to 100 yards away again. He followed me for a good mile and then the wind had picked up enough that if he was still following, I couldn’t see his head any more. I think he was young. Much smaller than the other otters I’ve noticed (not much of a number, because they do tend to backwaters and quieter places and vanish wonderfully easily). Obviously not shy, as all but one of the ones I’ve seen have not been shy. Or at least only one was so shy that I saw it and then saw it take off, not to be seen again.). Out of the way friendly, which I’d not seen, though I’ve heard of. I think he’d never seen a kayak before and was curious about this half log half person thing. When the smell was right, he was willing to come ride with me. If he’d headed for even the front deck, I think I’d have let him on. But the cockpit was obviously the easiest place to climb/leap. Front deck wouldn’t have been safer. Just felt like it. The Otter kayak (yes, coincidence rules) I was paddling is only 9′6". He’d have been nose to nose with me there. Cute. I felt so Disney (except for not letting him on and him not speaking English.). A wonderful day that often felt very backcountry and the world cooperated by having very few people out, even with it being opening weekend for fishing. I only saw about 8 people and all but 3 of them were at one campsite. —– rbc vixen. I only answer my email every few months, on average. Patience helps. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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St. Croix River. MN/WI border. Up about 30 miles from Taylor’s Falls (the highest up dam on the river). My favorite river in my second favorite place to paddle on it. Rapidly becoming my favorite place as the part below Taylor’s is infested with powerboats and newbbie day trippers who do things like bring along radios and, on one very memorable occasion, a generator. Cyli ; Great story. otters are a lot of fun to watch, always up to something. BTW where were you. Even what part of the nation would be helpful. Thanks. Floatin, John

—– rbc vixen. I only answer my email every few months, on average. Patience helps. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Cyli ; Great story. otters are a lot of fun to watch, always up to something. BTW where were you. Even what part of the nation would be helpful. Thanks. Floatin, John — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today I was near enough the far edge of front country that only one powerboat passed me (the water’s high here, so motors could get up that part of the river.) and had one heck of a good day trip. With the water high, I was able to get a mile or two up a creek that’s normally about an inch or two deep and then come back down quickly. Very quickly in a couple of spots. But, back out on the river, I checked out a couple of islands I’d never quite managed to canoe or kayak up to before (usually stopping half a mile short at an island that happened to be underwater today) and then back down, trying to backpaddle and taking a lunch break to make the day last. I did manage to be out 8 hours. About half an hour after lunch and drifting downriver, I saw a small brown animal head making progress across my path. Thinking it was a beaver, I slowed a bit, as it’s only kind not to scare them more than necessary. But it dove and didn’t tail slap, came up a bit upstream, dove again, and still no slap. Then started swimming up to the land side of me. I gave it a bit more room, as this is what young beavers tend to do when scared. They head straight for home, even if it means they have to get closer to the scarey thing. However, when it got within 10 feet, it dove again and it was obvious it was an otter. I burbled aloud with joy as it rose and fixed me with a beady eye, then turned its head and gave me the other eye. By then I was cooing at it. So it swam closer, giving the sniff/look test to me and the kayak. At just over arm’s length, he aparently made up his mind and started straight for the cockpit, so he could climb up. Uh. 10 to 15 pounds of soaking wet wild animal in my lap? With the kind of claws and teeth that can open clams very easily and quickly? Of carnivorous genes, which I’ve noticed gives animals a tendency to express affection with ‘love bites’? No. Which is exactly what I said as I dropped the kayak paddle in his path. He took offense (not surprising), dove and swam up upstream. I regretted his going, but not his absence from my lap. He got about a hundred yards away and then turned back to look at me. I cooed and burbled some more. He vanished. I went downstream. Looked back for some reason about 10 minutes later and there he was, keeping watch on me from about 50 to 100 yards away again. He followed me for a good mile and then the wind had picked up enough that if he was still following, I couldn’t see his head any more. I think he was young. Much smaller than the other otters I’ve noticed (not much of a number, because they do tend to backwaters and quieter places and vanish wonderfully easily). Obviously not shy, as all but one of the ones I’ve seen have not been shy. Or at least only one was so shy that I saw it and then saw it take off, not to be seen again.). Out of the way friendly, which I’d not seen, though I’ve heard of. I think he’d never seen a kayak before and was curious about this half log half person thing. When the smell was right, he was willing to come ride with me. If he’d headed for even the front deck, I think I’d have let him on. But the cockpit was obviously the easiest place to climb/leap. Front deck wouldn’t have been safer. Just felt like it. The Otter kayak (yes, coincidence rules) I was paddling is only 9′6". He’d have been nose to nose with me there. Cute. I felt so Disney (except for not letting him on and him not speaking English.). A wonderful day that often felt very backcountry and the world cooperated by having very few people out, even with it being opening weekend for fishing. I only saw about 8 people and all but 3 of them were at one campsite. —– rbc vixen. I only answer my email every few months, on average. Patience helps. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Today I was near enough the far edge of front country that only one powerboat passed me (the water’s high here, so motors could get up that part of the river.) and had one heck of a good day trip. With the water high, I was able to get a mile or two up a creek that’s normally about an inch or two deep and then come back down quickly. Very quickly in a couple of spots. But, back out on the river, I checked out a couple of islands I’d never quite managed to canoe or kayak up to before (usually stopping half a mile short at an island that happened to be underwater today) and then back down, trying to backpaddle and taking a lunch break to make the day last. I did manage to be out 8 hours. About half an hour after lunch and drifting downriver, I saw a small brown animal head making progress across my path. Thinking it was a beaver, I slowed a bit, as it’s only kind not to scare them more than necessary. But it dove and didn’t tail slap, came up a bit upstream, dove again, and still no slap. Then started swimming up to the land side of me. I gave it a bit more room, as this is what young beavers tend to do when scared. They head straight for home, even if it means they have to get closer to the scarey thing. However, when it got within 10 feet, it dove again and it was obvious it was an otter. I burbled aloud with joy as it rose and fixed me with a beady eye, then turned its head and gave me the other eye. By then I was cooing at it. So it swam closer, giving the sniff/look test to me and the kayak. At just over arm’s length, he aparently made up his mind and started straight for the cockpit, so he could climb up. Uh. 10 to 15 pounds of soaking wet wild animal in my lap? With the kind of claws and teeth that can open clams very easily and quickly? Of carnivorous genes, which I’ve noticed gives animals a tendency to express affection with ‘love bites’? No. Which is exactly what I said as I dropped the kayak paddle in his path. He took offense (not surprising), dove and swam up upstream. I regretted his going, but not his absence from my lap. He got about a hundred yards away and then turned back to look at me. I cooed and burbled some more. He vanished. I went downstream. Looked back for some reason about 10 minutes later and there he was, keeping watch on me from about 50 to 100 yards away again. He followed me for a good mile and then the wind had picked up enough that if he was still following, I couldn’t see his head any more. I think he was young. Much smaller than the other otters I’ve noticed (not much of a number, because they do tend to backwaters and quieter places and vanish wonderfully easily). Obviously not shy, as all but one of the ones I’ve seen have not been shy. Or at least only one was so shy that I saw it and then saw it take off, not to be seen again.). Out of the way friendly, which I’d not seen, though I’ve heard of. I think he’d never seen a kayak before and was curious about this half log half person thing. When the smell was right, he was willing to come ride with me. If he’d headed for even the front deck, I think I’d have let him on. But the cockpit was obviously the easiest place to climb/leap. Front deck wouldn’t have been safer. Just felt like it. The Otter kayak (yes, coincidence rules) I was paddling is only 9′6". He’d have been nose to nose with me there. Cute. I felt so Disney (except for not letting him on and him not speaking English.). A wonderful day that often felt very backcountry and the world cooperated by having very few people out, even with it being opening weekend for fishing. I only saw about 8 people and all but 3 of them were at one campsite. —– rbc vixen. I only answer my email every few months, on average. Patience helps. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » West Virginia Fly Fishing

West Virginia Fly Fishing

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Greetings, Wow, I’ve been monitoring this newsgroup for a couple of weeks and never knew how many of my fellow flyfishers were on the net. I’ve been a computer professional for most of my adult life, but never though much about computers and flyfishing until recently. Well, anyway, here’s my question. 1) Are there any members of this group who are interested in FFing West Virginia? If so, I have info, etc. 2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page? I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest. 4) Is anyone aware of any other pages, etc. that deal with West Virginia fishing. I have spent a lot of time on Yahoo, et al with no results. 5) If anyone has info on guides & lodging in WV, I would also be interested in that. Thanks, Keith Comstock

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2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page? I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest.

Hi Keith, I live in Montana and still would be interested in a WV Web Page. Keep us posted on your progress. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Does anyone know the web address for the West Virginia Trout Unlimited page? Thanks in advance for any help

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The address for the West Virginia Council of Trout Unlimited and our fantastically good web page (for a non-profit) is: http://members.aol.com/WVTU/wvtu.html I hope this helps. PS- I am the currrent pres of the Cherrry River Chapter. We’ve been bad and don’t have our own page yet. Keith Comstock Cranberry Wilderness Outfitters web – http://www.wvoutfitters.com

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I think you can get the WVTU link from the TU homepage. John W. Kramer Clearwater Outfitters WE ENDORSE CATCH AND RELEASE (717) 938-3423

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » Shops in Denver, CO

Shops in Denver, CO

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If you are on the north end of town, or maybe even if you are not, call the St. Vrain Angler in Longmont, 651-6061. — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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Hi Craig, There are several good shops in Denver including the Orvis shop in the downtown area close to the convestion center. I’m not sure which street it’s on. Also consider contacting the Federation of Fly Fishers, they have an active club in your area called the High Plains Drifters. You could learn more about them by calling the FFF Council President for that area. His name is Dan Turner, he’s a good guy, and he lives in Thornton. His number is 1-303-457-4248. Good Luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Product Bozeman, MT (catalog avail)

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I’m looking for some recommendations on good fly fishing ships in Denver.

<SNIP If you’re on the South side of town there’s Angler’s All, on S. Sante Fe, Royal Stevens on Hampden, and Complete Angler on Arapahoe (?). They’re all pretty good, and if you get into R Stevens tell Steve I said Hi!. </chaz

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Hollenbaugh) writes: I’m looking for some recommendations on good fly fishing ships in Denver. I’m a beginner, and I’m looking for a reputable shop that has classes, trips, and most importantly people willing to help transform a novice spinning rod guy into a fly fisherman. TIA KRU Consulting Group http://rainbow.rmii.com/~csh/kru

Craig, Two shops come to mind: The Colorado Angler on West Wadsworth at Nelson (I think). They are nice people (just a touch of elitism, but only a touch). The second is Joe Butler’s All Tackle west of the Westminister Mall. Seems to be a nice place; lots of material. (Some attitude, but it is tolerable. It just depends) There, of course, are others. There is one on the south side, but I can’t remember the name which is probably the best of the lot. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name. If I do, I’ll get back to you.

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I’m looking for some recommendations on good fly fishing ships in Denver. I’m a beginner, and I’m looking for a reputable shop that has classes, trips, and most importantly people willing to help transform a novice spinning rod guy into a fly fisherman. TIA KRU Consulting Group http://rainbow.rmii.com/~csh/kru

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best selection of equipment and fly-tying materials in the area. Denver, Colorado ftp.rmii.com/pub2/gwgodden

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Info on Force Outboard Motors

Info on Force Outboard Motors

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I am looking at boat for coastal fishing for stripers. It has a Force 50HP outboard engine that is about four years old and seems to be in mint condition. Does anyone have any experience with Force? Thanks in advance JK

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I am looking at boat for coastal fishing for stripers. It has a Force 50HP outboard engine that is about four years old and seems to be in mint condition. Does anyone have any experience with Force?

If you don’t mind dealing with pre-mix, then a Force is a decent enough engine for "in shore" flyfishing. The Force engine line was an older Chrysler design which is now made by Mercury, so the dealer support should be as available as "true" Merc’s… If you’re looking for opinions, I’d look for an engine with VRO (variable rate oiler) so you can avoid the pre-mix and cut down on fouled plugs (a dead engine while snuggling up to cast to a breakwater can be *very* exciting ;^) but that does come with a higher price tag… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)" < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Reply. I have a Force 1985, 85 hp. on my 16 foot bass boat. It works great and hasen’t cost much money. It doesn’t like to run for long periods at high speed, other than that, no problem. I understand Mercury has bought the company out and is supplying service ?????

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I have a Force 1985, 85 hp. on my 16 foot bass boat. It works great and hasen’t cost much money. It doesn’t like to run for long periods at high speed, other than that, no problem. I understand Mercury has bought the company out and is supplying service ?????

Dennis: Using the standard premix ratio (I think it’s probably 50:1?) is probably insufficient for extended high-speed operation of that engine. I can’t say for certain if it’s mentioned in the operator’s manual (but it should be) that for that kind of use the oil should be increased (to 25:1 or so). Otherwise you’re likely to overheat the engine which might explain it’s reluctance to carry on for you at full-blast/long period operation… This is one of the niceties of a good VRO (not to mention that you don’t have to muck around with premix in the first place)… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)" < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I would avoid Force like the plague. Every year in Canada someones motor breaks down and it’s ALWAYS a Force. Have yet to see one make it thru a hard week of fishing. Just what I’ve seen. Vince

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » How are the Run Offs in Colorado When, Where & How long??????

How are the Run Offs in Colorado When, Where & How long??????

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The weather in Colorado this spring has been cold with snow in the high country. Ski resorts have re-open the week of May 22nd. What effect will this have on the major fly fishing streams and rivers this year? Where does one go when the run offs occur and have the begun? When will the peak this year and when can we accept to return to our farovite rivers and streams? Thanks in advance for the Infor.

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is going to last into the next century. Even the tailwater dams are cranked open in anticipation. I suggest you dust off the ol’ float tube and hit the lakes for a while. Denver, Colorado ftp.rmii.com/pub2/gwgodden

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I live on the Lake Fork of the Gunnison and keep daily tabs on runoff. The main rivers are high and dirty now, and there is more snow above 11,000 feet in the San Juans than I have ever seen at this time of year. Normally runoff in the Gunnison basin peaks about June 17, but it all depends on how hot it gets and how quickly it gets hot. Many rivers may clear by July 1, but could still be very high until mid-to-late July this year. Runoff can be beaten, though, if you are willing to fish smaller feeder streams, especially those at higher elevations and those with south facing drainage basins. Beaver ponds are another option at this time of year, and can have some good trout, even some that will rise to dries. Lyndon Lampert

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