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Allen As a retired labor economist, harumph, harumph. . . you are on the money ($25-35) for most of the biz/corp and entry pilots. And the folks flying the regional nets don’t get much more. Same goes for mechanics, helo pilots etc. Folks do it for the love of aviation near as I can tell. Dime a dozen here in Seattle area. As to the $200k after 10-12 years with a major. . . I think you are high, but I never did a formal analysis of the high end. Dave

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I know that’s why *I* started – to meet a better class of people. — TL, Tim (the elitest)

Years ago, Ed Zern wrote a column refuting the notion that only a better class of people fly fish.  He said one of the most skillful dry-fly men he ever saw owned a string of sporting houses up and down the East Coast. vince norris

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Years ago, Ed Zern…said one of the most skillful dry-fly men he ever saw owned a string of sporting houses up and down the East Coast.

Still, fly fishing must attract SOME people of lesser quality, don’tcha think?      :) Wolfgang

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Those guys had access to a private jet? From my experiences as a Grand Canyon Guide, you probably could have chatted up those pilots, showed them a casting trick or two, and gotten an invite to get flown somewhere in return. A friend of mine is a pilot and flew for an oil man for a while back when oil was king. He didn’t have much, if any, latitude at all where the plane went or who went along – but he did get to fish with his boss when he flew him on fishing trips.

Did he ever ‘drop your name’ to his boss as a potential fishing partner? Of course, a lot depends on the relationship between boss, pilot and plane, but I bet many pilots who regularly fly for the same owner would be good people to be chums with. A ladyfriend of mine got a free sail around the world when she became chummy with the captain of some oil magnates yacht. riverman

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Did he ever ‘drop your name’ to his boss as a potential fishing partner? Of course, a lot depends on the relationship between boss, pilot and plane, but I bet many pilots who regularly fly for the same owner would be good people to be chums with.

I never asked him to ‘drop my name’, but another friend we both grew up with was always trying to mooch something and I don’t think he was very successful. My pilot friend wanted to move on up to an airline job and I wasn’t interested in asking him to risk anything with his boss. It would probably be easier if you could find someone at the end of their career who didn’t give a shit. <g — Charlie…

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 USA Today has an article today (June 21) about executives  and flyfishing.  "There’s something about flyfishing that  attracts people who rise to the top."  etc… Remove "XX" from address

From their site: "Fly fishing is not the passive sport of putting a worm on a hook. It’s a graceful back-and-forth casting in the air of fishing line and feathers tied tight to a hook and the skilled landing of the fly atop the water, insect manna from heaven to a finicky fish." Who in the hell have they been watching? John

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  USA Today has an article today (June 21) about executives  and flyfishing.  "There’s something about flyfishing that  attracts people who rise to the top."  etc… Remove "XX" from address From their site: "Fly fishing is not the passive sport of putting a worm on a hook. It’s a graceful back-and-forth casting in the air of fishing line and feathers tied tight to a hook and the skilled landing of the fly atop the water, insect manna from heaven to a finicky fish." Who in the hell have they been watching? John

Not me, that’s fer sure. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Private pilots for an executive?  Heh, heh, heh.  They make a helluva lot more than the average roffian and should be able to pay for their own flyfishing vacation.  But, still…..  perhaps the exec thinks familiarity breeds contempt.

I didn’t get the impression from either of those groups of private pilots that they were rolling in dough. They were doing OK, about like your average professional. Not as well as you, Dave. The first group I met, a couple of years ago, had just flown Edgar Bronfman, Jr. (of Seagram’s) in for a society weekend in Sun Valley. I was naturally curious about the lifestyles of the rich and famous, so I asked questions. Bronfman’s jet was a Gulfstream IV, which, if I recall correctly, they said cost $60 million. They that said he (or the company) had more than one — they weren’t sure how many, but at least two. It required a crew of three and cost $5000/hr to operate (not including the crew). Incredible. Those pilots had never flyfished before, and there they were fishing the morning Trico spinner fall on Silver Creek, with #12 Royal Wulffs and 5x tippet, slapping the water on their backcasts. I’d never fished that hatch before either, but I was prepared, with the right flies and 7x tippet. I got really lucky and picked a spot right above a large pod of fish. Caught three nice ‘bows. (Yeah, I know, Wolfgang, you insufferable dipshit.) They thought I was a fishing god. If only they knew. I gave them tippet and some flies, and told them about the spring-creek downstream presentation, but it didn’t do any good that day. Maybe if they came back later it helped. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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jet was a Gulfstream IV, which, if I recall correctly, they said cost $60 million

check out these guys: http://www.eclipseaviation.com/ bruce h

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You’d be surprised. Corporate pilots generally don’t make a much money at all. It’s a way to build multi-engine turbine flight time and get to a major airline where they make more money than I care to think about (after 4 years that is) The corporate pilot lifestyle often is an on-call job so having a life is tough unless it’s a big company that has multiple aircraft and crews. Even at a major airline first year pilot pay is only about $20K but generally by the time you get to 10 or 12 years and a Captain you’re up above $200K Allen Epps Catonsville, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rw writes: Silver Creek snipped Private pilots for an executive?  Heh, heh, heh.  They make a helluva lot more than the average roffian and should be able to pay for their own flyfishing vacation.  But, still…..  perhaps the exec thinks familiarity breeds contempt.   Dave

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i’ll put silver creek "on the must see list"… thanx…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – silver creek…as in near gramby, co?? No. It’s near Picabo, ID. (Also fairly near Bellevue, Hailey, and Ketchum, and about 100 miles from Stanley, my home town.) Silver Creek, Idaho is a famous spring creek — one of the very best in the Western US. Much of it is public water, so it gets a lot of pressure. I especially like to fish it in the Fall, when I’m sometimes the only one there. You’re going to be in Ketchum in August, right, beancounter? If so, you just HAVE pay a visit to Silver Creek. Even if you don’t catch one of those notoriously selective trout, it’s worth the experience. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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… They thought I was a fishing god. If only they knew. I gave them tippet and some flies, and told them about the spring-creek downstream presentation, but it didn’t do any good that day. Maybe if they came back later it helped.

Those guys had access to a private jet? From my experiences as a Grand Canyon Guide, you probably could have chatted up those pilots, showed them a casting trick or two, and gotten an invite to get flown somewhere in return. Folks would wait 5 years and pay thousands of dollars to do Canyon trips, but I had access to the boats, gear, and was doing 4-6 trips a year. I could <easily get someone on a trip, or arrange a private trip somewhere if someone turned out to be an interesting person and was interested. One mans inaccessible luxury is another mans day-to-day. riverman

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Those guys had access to a private jet? From my experiences as a Grand Canyon Guide, you probably could have chatted up those pilots, showed them a casting trick or two, and gotten an invite to get flown somewhere in return.

A friend of mine is a pilot and flew for an oil man for a while back when oil was king. He didn’t have much, if any, latitude at all where the plane went or who went along – but he did get to fish with his boss when he flew him on fishing trips. — Charlie…

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silver creek…as in near gramby, co??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was at Silver Creek a couple of weeks ago I met two pilots who fly a private jet. Oddly, this was the second time that’s happened to me at Silver Creek. They’d flown in some super wealthy Chicago commodities trader who was fishing exclusive private water all over the western Rockies. We got to talking about how those super rich people lead such different lives from us. They were kind of bitter about it, complaining about how cheap their boss was and how he’d never dream of inviting them to fish the private water. I said that we have more fun than they do, and those guys agreed with a laugh. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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silver creek…as in near gramby, co??

No. It’s near Picabo, ID. (Also fairly near Bellevue, Hailey, and Ketchum, and about 100 miles from Stanley, my home town.) Silver Creek, Idaho is a famous spring creek — one of the very best in the Western US. Much of it is public water, so it gets a lot of pressure. I especially like to fish it in the Fall, when I’m sometimes the only one there. You’re going to be in Ketchum in August, right, beancounter? If so, you just HAVE pay a visit to Silver Creek. Even if you don’t catch one of those notoriously selective trout, it’s worth the experience. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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rw writes: When I was at Silver Creek a couple of weeks ago I met two pilots who fly a private jet. Oddly, this was the second time that’s happened to me at Silver Creek. They’d flown in some super wealthy Chicago commodities trader who was fishing exclusive private water all over the western Rockies. We got to talking about how those super rich people lead such different lives from us. They were kind of bitter about it, complaining about how cheap their boss was and how he’d never dream of inviting them to fish the private water. I said that we have more fun than they do, and those guys agreed with a laugh.

Private pilots for an executive?  Heh, heh, heh.  They make a helluva lot more than the average roffian and should be able to pay for their own flyfishing vacation.  But, still…..  perhaps the exec thinks familiarity breeds contempt.   Dave

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Tim J writes: Maybe what they’re saying is that if you flyfish, you are in the top percentile of the human race. I know that’s why *I* started – to meet a better class of people. — Yeah, and ya ended up with me, Fortenberry, Wolfie, wayno, walt, Jeffie, rw, Warren, all the Waynes, a Reid, and anyone else who calls himself a roffian. Seems like you got screwed!  d;0) Dave

You’re telling me! — TL, Tim . . . but you guys ended up with me, so we’re even!

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When I was at Silver Creek a couple of weeks ago I met two pilots who fly a private jet. Oddly, this was the second time that’s happened to me at Silver Creek. They’d flown in some super wealthy Chicago commodities trader who was fishing exclusive private water all over the western Rockies. We got to talking about how those super rich people lead such different lives from us. They were kind of bitter about it, complaining about how cheap their boss was and how he’d never dream of inviting them to fish the private water. I said that we have more fun than they do, and those guys agreed with a laugh. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Uh, Allen, the term is "bottom dwellers" – I don’t think I want to be known as a nymph – don’t have the bod for it. So….., you would be a celibate slut?

I don’t think that even I could pull off that contradiction  . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Umm perhaps I should clarify I meant to type nymphers. Musta been the coupla Ciders I’ve had to celebrate Friday. Allen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Uh, Allen, the term is "bottom dwellers" – I don’t think I want to be known as a nymph – don’t have the bod for it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Tim J writes: Maybe what they’re saying is that if you flyfish, you are in the top percentile of the human race. I know that’s why *I* started – to meet a better class of people. —

Yeah, and ya ended up with me, Fortenberry, Wolfie, wayno, walt, Jeffie, rw, Warren, all the Waynes, a Reid, and anyone else who calls himself a roffian. Seems like you got screwed!  d;0) Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  USA Today has an article today (June 21) about executives  and flyfishing.  "There’s something about flyfishing that  attracts people who rise to the top."  etc… Remove "XX" from address

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Uh, Allen, the term is "bottom dwellers" – I don’t think I want to be known as a nymph – don’t have the bod for it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Uh, Allen, the term is "bottom dwellers" – I don’t think I want to be known as a nymph – don’t have the bod for it.

So….., you would be a celibate slut? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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 USA Today has an article today (June 21) about executives  and flyfishing.  "There’s something about flyfishing that  attracts people who rise to the top."  etc…

Maybe what they’re saying is that if you flyfish, you are in the top percentile of the human race. I know that’s why *I* started – to meet a better class of people. — TL, Tim (the elitest)

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I’m totally new to fly fishing and have a few Q’s about casting…After my backstroke how far should my wrist go forward (10 o’clock?, or what?)? and how long so I let the line drop before I use backstroke again? I think the best way to learn is to watch somebody, but if you can please help. And when fishing for salmon in rivers, do you use weights? Thanks for any help, Chad

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Hi Chad, The question regarding casting is a highly debated topic to which many a method, rhyme and reason exists.  In essence when false casting (the line is literally in constant motion) the hand/wrist/arm position-motion closely resembles that of a pianists metronome.  A balance of speed and motion on either side of vertical (12 o’clock position).  So the classic 10 to 2 method really sets up a nice Horizontal cast, where the flyline appears to be in a purely horizontal plane. If you were to change that relationship (10 o’clock is the backcast and 2 o’clock the forward cast for example) then a casting stroke of 9 to 1 would yield a high forward cast which would inevitably ‘fall short’ of the target (puddle cast) and a 11 to 3 would produce a cast which would drive into the water with quite a splash. But, the classic 10 to 2 is not what you would always use when your out fishing so it is very important that you experiment with varying degrees of the ‘clock’.  There will be times when you would want to cast a ’soft’ presentation so maybe a 9 to 1 would do fine… No matter what happens, give yourself a steady casting tempo, don’t rush a casting direction because you fear the line will hit the water mid cast. Watching someone cast is alright but it is the ‘feel’ of a cast that is most difficult to put into words.  Have someone take you in-hand to let you know what a cast feels like and not just what it looks like! As for salmon fishing, I use sinktip and full sink lines as well as floaters when fishing.  Occasionally I add some split shot but most of my fly’s have weights in them when necessary. Good luck and have fun up there! Roger M. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m totally new to fly fishing and have a few Q’s about casting…After my backstroke how far should my wrist go forward (10 o’clock?, or what?)? and how long so I let the line drop before I use backstroke again? I think the best way to learn is to watch somebody, but if you can please help. And when fishing for salmon in rivers, do you use weights? Thanks for any help, Chad

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Is there any reason why that unfurling loop couldn’t have lift?

Maybe this will help: http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/lift1.html — Charlie…

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I could be wrong technically.  What I meant to point out was that a fly line unfurling with a tight loop looks like an airfoil in crossection. But with a solid airfoil, a low pressure zone on the top makes the whole thing lift by virtue of the fact that the bottom is solidly connected to the top.  The top can’t lift the bottom unless the two are connected in some stable way.  At least I can’t imagine how it could. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not so sure. Clearly a moving fly line is affected in some way by the air around it; otherwise we’d all use soft rods on windy days. The question is what kind of aerodynamics are involved. I think fluid dynamics would apply. In water, similar wave structures can be created either with the water moving and the wave staying still (rivers)(analogize the "flexible" water with the "flexible" line?) or with the water staying basically motionless but the wave moving (oceans). A flycast (as it unrolls-not necessarily on the backcast) is sort of like an ocean wave; the bottom of the loop consists of line that’s no longer moving but the loop still moves forward, unfurling. Is there any reason why that unfurling loop couldn’t have lift? Any aero engineers out there? What you want is a reasonably small loop that actually looks like the leading edge of an airplane wing (I heard tell the line actually "flies" that way). That would be impossible since the line is flexible.

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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Good point. What I’m thinking is that the top is exerting some upward pressure on the bottom — ie, if you get the top hung up in a branch, the bottom won’t fall to the water. On a much lower scale, maybe any lift created by the top exerts some slight force on the bottom as well, delaying the descent until the whole line’s out straight. Or maybe not. This is a passing reference I saw in a video. Really: anyone versed in airfoil fluid mechanics out there?

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I could be wrong technically.  

        the effort that statement must have required is simply awe inspiring. wayno

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Or maybe not. This is a passing reference I saw in a video. Really: anyone versed in airfoil fluid mechanics out there?

Again, you could look at the reference I posted earlier and learn enough to see that fly lines don’t ‘fly’. — Charlie…

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Please repost that url; my box wouldn’t go there last time (and I subsequently deleted messages). I’ll look at it carefully.

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Please repost that url; my box wouldn’t go there last time (and I subsequently deleted messages). I’ll look at it carefully.

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/lift1.html — Charlie…

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I’m convincing myself. Maybe I’ll forward this string to a prof somewhere for analysis…

Oh well… — Charlie…

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Here you go, boys. Just plug in the boundary conditions and solve these equations. Unfortunately, you’ll need a supercomputer. Maybe you can get a grant. When I worked at the NASA Ames Research Center (Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation) they gave a grant to somebody to study the aerodynamics of tennis balls. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam) [ equations.html 1K ]

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OK, thanks for the reference. Good page! However, it tends to confirm my theory. Here are three relevant excerpts from NASA’s explanation of lift: 1.  "For a body immersed in a moving fluid, the fluid will remain in contact with the surface of the body. If the body is shaped, moved, or inclined in such a way as to produce a net deflection, or turning, of the flow, the local velocity is changed in magnitude, direction or both. Changing the velocity creates a net force on the body." 2.   "Viscosity: As an object moves through the air, the viscosity (stickiness) of the air becomes very important. Air molecules stick to any surface, creating a layer of air near the surface (called a boundary layer) that, in effect, changes the shape of the object. To make things more confusing, the boundary layer may lift off or "separate" from the body and create an effective shape much different from the physical shape of an object. And to make it even more confusing, the flow conditions in and near the boundary layer are often unsteady (changing in time). The boundary layer is very important in determining both the drag and lift of an object.  3.  "Newton[s] position that lift is the reaction force on a body caused by  deflecting a flow of gas." Here’s how I integrate that: per quote 1 above, a body does not need to move to generate lift. It only must be "moved, shaped, or inclined." I think that the unfurling of a fly line creates the shape required to create lift. Quote 1 also confirms that lift is a function of fluid mechanics, which supports my idea that, just as waves can be standing or moving, so could an airfoil. Finally, an accelerating fly line has just the sort of velocity change needed to create lift (there’s an extensive discussion of the role of acceleration on the NASA site). A stiffer action rod creates greater line speed; and it casts the line farther. That may be a factor of acceleration/lift, as well as simple Newton gravity/trajectory math. What’s puzzled me is how a round fly line could act as an airfoil in its interaction with individual molecules. Sure, the shape is an airfoil, but I couldn’t see how the specific line-to-molecule interaction could act like a plane (in both the popular and Euclidian senses!). Quote 2 might explain: if the line moving through the air creates a boundary layer, that layer could function more as an airfoil than the line itself does. Finally, can’t ignore the simple component that the wing’s angle of attack gives. Bernoulli’s principle (yeah, I knew what it was called before!) explains most lift, but some comes from the simple fact of air hitting the bottom of the wing (if the wing’s inclined slightly upward). That’s why attack angle is a fact in flying characteristics. So, where do we usually stop our forward cast? 10:00; exactly the same slight upward angle you’d use if you were trying to coax a little more lift out of an airfoil. Finally, there’s the simple Bernoullian theory itself: air on bottom of wing doesn’t have to move much, air on top does, ergo lift. With a fly line, it’s: bottom of loop doesn’t really move (the first ten feet from your rod tip go forward and just hang there while the rest of the line unfurls); the top of your loop — the part that’s accelerating forward the fastest — moves maybe a hundred feet or more, displacing air while it does so. Why wouldn’t there be lift? I’m convincing myself. Maybe I’ll forward this string to a prof somewhere for analysis…

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Well, that was a lot of interesting stuff, but for me the problem is that a fly line moving through the air probably does not fit the definition of a solid object.  If it’s in a straight line with force being applied in direct opposition at each end, maybe.  When it’s furled and forces are acting at different angles, I don’t think so. OK, thanks for the reference. Good page! However, it tends to confirm my theory. Here are three relevant excerpts from NASA’s explanation of lift:

Regards, Jeff

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No matter what happens, give yourself a steady casting tempo, don’t rush a casting direction because you fear the line will hit the water mid cast. Watching someone cast is alright but it is the ‘feel’ of a cast that is most difficult to put into words.  Have someone take you in-hand to let you know what a cast feels like and not just what it looks like!

Possibly the most sensible thing that has been written about casting a fly! The *FEEL* of what is happening to the line is vital. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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Also learn to look at the loops created when you cast, especially the one behind you. I was given some pictures of myself fishing a couple years ago when I was starting, and the loops were great big open things, which couldn’t transmit any power or forward momentum to the line. What you want is a reasonably small loop that actually looks like the leading edge of an airplane wing (I heard tell the line actually "flies" that way). Too big, no power and no distance. Too small (too quick a tempo), and you may pop a fly off and/or cut the tip of your rod off if a heavy setup hits it. Look at some pics of casters in brochures and books and you’ll see the golden mean!

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What you want is a reasonably small loop that actually looks like the leading edge of an airplane wing (I heard tell the line actually "flies" that way).

That would be impossible since the line is flexible. Regards, Jeff

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I’m not so sure. Clearly a moving fly line is affected in some way by the air around it; otherwise we’d all use soft rods on windy days. The question is what kind of aerodynamics are involved. I think fluid dynamics would apply. In water, similar wave structures can be created either with the water moving and the wave staying still (rivers)(analogize the "flexible" water with the "flexible" line?) or with the water staying basically motionless but the wave moving (oceans). A flycast (as it unrolls-not necessarily on the backcast) is sort of like an ocean wave; the bottom of the loop consists of line that’s no longer moving but the loop still moves forward, unfurling. Is there any reason why that unfurling loop couldn’t have lift? Any aero engineers out there? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What you want is a reasonably small loop that actually looks like the leading edge of an airplane wing (I heard tell the line actually "flies" that way). That would be impossible since the line is flexible.

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Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!  Unlike the new ISP I just subscribed to, which apparently only posts periodically.  I will use your suggested service I believe. Op

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Cool Ope, and as a backup here’s one out of Canuckland that is even faster: (free-news.risq.qc.ca) with apologies to all our hoser roffians. Frank (pro-hoser) Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!  Unlike the new ISP I just subscribed to, which apparently only posts periodically.  I will use your suggested service I believe. Op

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Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!

That’s funny – my Alacrity Detector(tm) didn’t go off… /daytripper ("Back to the laboratory!")

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Thanks Frank (Church), I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!

        *alacrity*?  a guy from boone who uses "alacrity"?  what the hell is the world coming to?         you go, opie! wayno

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I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity!

Damn Opie, now *I’ve* gotta go look something up in the dictionary…. Regards, Jeff

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That’s funny – my Alacrity Detector(tm) didn’t go off…

That’s because it’s calibrated in nanoseconds. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just got the news service that you recommended up and running.  It posts messages with alacrity! Damn Opie, now *I’ve* gotta go look something up in the dictionary…. Regards, Jeff

Jeff, I got tired of hauling out my dictionary with the fine print just to read a fly fishing News Group so I bought a talking dictionary on a CD.  Now I look them up with alacrity.  I even know how to pronounce strange words that show up on ROFF. Ernie Harrison

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I had my old medalist stolen out of my car after .  Is there anywhere in CT (or in NYC) that sells fly-fishing gear of that sort? thanks, Ben

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I had my old medalist stolen out of my car after .  Is there anywhere in CT (or in NYC) that sells fly-fishing gear of that sort? thanks, Ben

Hi Ben I suggest you contact Hook and Hackle at 800-552-8342. On page 5 of their catalog they list the standard Pflueger and also two rim control models. They are in Plattsburg, NY. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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Someone posted a really nice list of web sites for flyfishing within the last week, but I inadvertantly deleted it.  Could you be so kind as to re-post it?

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Try http://www.eaglenet.com/PaxP/mstrs/fishing.html

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I want tostart fly fishing for smallmouth on Trinity Lake, CA. What type of lines and flies would you recommend?, Thanks

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I want tostart fly fishing for smallmouth on Trinity Lake, CA. What type of lines and flies would you recommend?, Thanks

You really don’t need anything all that different from trout equipment. I use a 9ft. for 6WT rod that is just great for the lakes and streams nearby. I’ve heard from others who like a 7Wt to punch those largeer bass bugs through the air. I fish mostly with Wooley Buggers, Streamers and Poppers of medium size, and both my 5WT and ^WT work just fine. They also make fine trout rods as well. Keith in Waterford, VA

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Is it me, or is the FlyFishing Database and FAQ home page totally broken.  Everytime I follow a link it gives me a page with a return link and no content. The location I’m accessing is: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~jsuchosk/fish/ff-faq/masterIndex.html kat.

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Is it me, or is the FlyFishing Database and FAQ home page totally broken.  Everytime I follow a link it gives me a page with a return link and no content. The location I’m accessing is: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~jsuchosk/fish/ff-faq/masterIndex.html kat.

It’s not you.  Either it’s broken, or it’s us.  I got the same response you did. Jim Browder Kalispell, MT

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Wouldn’t you love to be there? Actually, I’ve never been. I’d like to know what it’s like in mid-July. I like beautiful, cool settings in my travel trailer with a crackling creek nearby, trout at the surface with their mouths agape. Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too? Where is the best place to drop my rig? ……Straight leaders and no brush behind!

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Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NO

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Wouldn’t you love to be there? Actually, I’ve never been. I’d like to know what it’s like in mid-July. I like beautiful, cool settings in my travel trailer with a crackling creek nearby, trout at the surface with their mouths agape. Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too? Where is the best place to drop my rig? …….Straight leaders and no brush behind!

the fish are abundant in the entire length of the quality waters.  For wading, it is always crowded, but less so in the middle of the week. If you plan to float the river, you will not have to fight the crowds as much, but there are many more floaters that when I first visited the river in ‘88.  I lived within four hours drive, and it was in my sales territory, so was able to fish it often until moving away last about a year ago.  A great area … check in at Abe’s Motel and Fly Shop for the latest info. Dee Crabtree DeeCrab*ibm.net

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Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too?

If she likes to sit in the heat and read, or hike the rugged canyons, yes. I suggest you try to get her into a flyfishing school before you leave and maybe she will fish with you …. and maybe she won’t.  My wife is good for about 30 minutes of fishing before she is ready to head home! She does like the rugged beauty of the San Juan River however! Dee Crabtree DeeCrab*ibm.net

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Can I make this a vacation that my non-angling wife would enjoy, too?

Try leaving her in Durango,CO.  She can shop or take the scenic train or wahtever the heck it is my wife did last year.  Plus you can stop into Duranglers for some hints from the guys there.  Durango’s also a good base to hop over to the Dolores.  Nice tailwater fishing there, too. Jim

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I would like you to take note of my new e-address <My old one has expired and I guess I was on a demo period

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

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(Robert Mault) writes: For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

Ya’ see, we keep our boats inside mosta’ tha time ’cause a all that great Cal sunshine! Ain’t ta’ good for the plastic and glass. I remember livin’ in Charlotte and it wasn’t nothin’ like here. Hey wait, I just saw a boat out in downtown San Jose! He was paddlin’ main street!  ’Kay, sometimes we get a bit a rain… Later, Aaron — "Nothing more is needed to destroy a man, than the conviction that his life’s work is useless."  -Antonin Artaud

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) based organization with a POB & Voice Mail in Marin County and meetings at the University of California on Parnassus Ave. in San Francisco. More Info: (415) 435-7936 and/or read above message. "Go w/the flow"-"Z".

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Funny…every diversion that I’m into seems to have the most interest base in the bay area. Flyfishing, Astronomy, and Kayaking all have more participants in the bay area than anywhere else in the country (as a group). Too bad it costs so damn much to live there. Kai

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RB, Grayling is Rocky Mountain White Fish, even Blue (Artic) Grayling is not salmonoid. R.Ng

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The Huchen is in the Amer River system in Germany, near Oberamergau.  I never hooked one, but they run huge–up to 30 lbs.  I gather that thy are akin to the salmon

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Hi guys, OK it goes like this: There are many strains of salmonids and most of the are being fished for (grayling, A salmon, Brown trout…), but there is one that I have not read about in any fishing magazines or books.It is the Huchen Trout, supposedly living in the Danube basin which is in Slovakia. It is supposed to have a Bronze back and green body. It is huge. It is said that some fishermen were caught "poaching" when they thought they caught a trophy rainbow trout when in fact they had a baby Huchen Trout. As far as i know slovakian fishermen fished with live bait and lead core (not because of huchen’s sharp teeth but fishe’s strength). Does anyone have more info on this salmonid? Did anyone try fly fishing for it? I would welcome any info on this species. Thanks RB

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