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[ . . . ] "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane-and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . .

[ . . . ] This isn’t real, is it? Are you sure one of the _New York Magazine_ competition writers didn’t do this? E. Penrose

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This is rich. In the May 31, 1999 issue of Time Magazine, featuring a Special Report: How to Spot a Troubled Kid, Walter Kirn, author of the article "Inside Ritalin" wrote a piece titled: "The Danger of Suppressing Sadness – What if Holden Caulfield had been taking Prozac?" Holden Caufield, as I’m sure you remember, was the dropout hero of J.D. Salinger’s "The Catcher in the Rye." In that article, Kirn states: " . . . . I know from my own experience with clinical depression (contracted as an adult and treated with a combination of therapy and drugs) that such diseases are real and formidable, impossible to wish away . . . ." Pshaw. Tom

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I purchased the December issue of GQ today, which because of the really hot pictures of Charlize Theron on the cover and elsewhere in the magazine, wasn’t a total waste of $3.00. The article, "Inside Ritalin," by Walter Kirn is a complete work of fiction, in my opinion, both as it related to Kirn’s ADD status – ". . . . the symptoms first appeared in junior high school . . . ." – and his experience with Ritalin – " . . . . there I am, as jazzed as any speed freak who’s just put his girlfriend in the hospital after an all-night quarrel in a motel room . . . . ," unless he was taking 800 mg. a day. Kirn is a book critic and fiction writer.  His 1999

novel "Thumbsucker" is a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – cynical coming of age story.  "When young Justin Cobb is finally cured of his thumbsucking habit, his obsessions change to less benign ones that include sex, drugs, fly-fishing, Mormonism, and Ritalin. This comic novel is set vividly in the world of the 1980s." From the Princeton "In Review" November 3, 1999 http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_old/PAW99-00/04- 1103/1103irtx.html "Interview with Walter Kirn ‘83 "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane- and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . . "Q: Do you feel torn between fiction and nonfiction? "A: My primary ambition is to be a fiction writer. At some point I made a conscious decision not to teach-yet-and so the alternative was quote unquote grub street, which I think is an honorable tradition much maligned by the lofty academics of the 20th century. I write for four magazines-Vanity Fair, GQ, Time, and New York-and for each one I try to exercise a different faculty. . . . Being a critic wasn’t an aspiration of mine, but it was something I could do from Montana, where I moved six years ago . . . . "Q: Tell us about your family. "A: I grew up in a tiny Minnesota town of 500 people called Marine-on-St.-Croix. My father actually went to Princeton, Class of 1960, and was a patent attorney at 3M in Minnesota. My mother, like the mother in Thumbsucker, was a registered nurse. In its vital statistics, the family in the book very much resembles my own. But I get tired of explaining: A writer’s like the magpie, he picks everything shiny and brings it back to his nest . . . It’s mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine-it’s not transcribe." "Mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine" fairly describes Kirn’s purportedly autobiographical "Inside Ritalin." Watch out for "literary types" and save your $3.00 for something

useful. Tell us more about those pictures…. — Mark Probert Make sure your vote counts–DO NOT vote from the Banana Republic of Florida!

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I read Vanity Fair regularly, and have never noticed thisWalter Kim……am I missing something?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I purchased the December issue of GQ today, which because of the really hot pictures of Charlize Theron on the cover and elsewhere in the magazine, wasn’t a total waste of $3.00. The article, "Inside Ritalin," by Walter Kirn is a complete work of fiction, in my opinion, both as it related to Kirn’s ADD status – ". . . . the symptoms first appeared in junior high school . . . ." – and his experience with Ritalin – " . . . . there I am, as jazzed as any speed freak who’s just put his girlfriend in the hospital after an all-night quarrel in a motel room . . . . ," unless he was taking 800 mg. a day. Kirn is a book critic and fiction writer.  His 1999 novel "Thumbsucker" is a cynical coming of age story.  "When young Justin Cobb is finally cured of his thumbsucking habit, his obsessions change to less benign ones that include sex, drugs, fly-fishing, Mormonism, and Ritalin. This comic novel is set vividly in the world of the 1980s." From the Princeton "In Review" November 3, 1999 http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_old/PAW99-00/04- 1103/1103irtx.html "Interview with Walter Kirn ‘83 "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane- and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . . "Q: Do you feel torn between fiction and nonfiction? "A: My primary ambition is to be a fiction writer. At some point I made a conscious decision not to teach-yet-and so the alternative was quote unquote grub street, which I think is an honorable tradition much maligned by the lofty academics of the 20th century. I write for four magazines-Vanity Fair, GQ, Time, and New York-and for each one I try to exercise a different faculty. . . . Being a critic wasn’t an aspiration of mine, but it was something I could do from Montana, where I moved six years ago . . . . "Q: Tell us about your family. "A: I grew up in a tiny Minnesota town of 500 people called Marine-on-St.-Croix. My father actually went to Princeton, Class of 1960, and was a patent attorney at 3M in Minnesota. My mother, like the mother in Thumbsucker, was a registered nurse. In its vital statistics, the family in the book very much resembles my own. But I get tired of explaining: A writer’s like the magpie, he picks everything shiny and brings it back to his nest . . . It’s mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine-it’s not transcribe." "Mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine" fairly describes Kirn’s purportedly autobiographical "Inside Ritalin." Watch out for "literary types" and save your $3.00 for something useful. Tell us more about those pictures…. — Mark Probert Make sure your vote counts–DO NOT vote from the Banana Republic of Florida!

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~~~ Words escape me.  Rent "The Devil’s Advocate" for a good gander, and don’t break the rewind button on your VCR remote. _____

Kim……am I missing something?" ~~~ He’s not not cup of espresso.  I did a google.com search on "Walter KIRN" and came up with a lot of stuff he’s written in "New York Magazine" and "Time", each of which have on-line versions, but I had never heard of him before. "Vanity Fair" is not on-line, as far as I can tell.   This doesn’t really answer your question, though. Cheers, Tom

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Magazine_ competition writers didn’t do this?" ~~~ It’s real in the same sense that the writings of Hunter S. Thompson are real. Cheers, Tom

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I purchased the December issue of GQ today, which because of the really hot pictures of Charlize Theron on the cover and elsewhere in the magazine, wasn’t a total waste of $3.00. The article, "Inside Ritalin," by Walter Kirn is a complete work of fiction, in my opinion, both as it related to Kirn’s ADD status – ". . . . the symptoms first appeared in junior high school . . . ." – and his experience with Ritalin – " . . . . there I am, as jazzed as any speed freak who’s just put his girlfriend in the hospital after an all-night quarrel in a motel room . . . . ," unless he was taking 800 mg. a day. Kirn is a book critic and fiction writer.  His 1999 novel "Thumbsucker" is a cynical coming of age story.  "When young Justin Cobb is finally cured of his thumbsucking habit, his obsessions change to less benign ones that include sex, drugs, fly-fishing, Mormonism, and Ritalin. This comic novel is set vividly in the world of the 1980s." From the Princeton "In Review" November 3, 1999 http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_old/PAW99-00/04-1103/1103irtx.html "Interview with Walter Kirn ‘83 "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane-and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . . "Q: Do you feel torn between fiction and nonfiction? "A: My primary ambition is to be a fiction writer. At some point I made a conscious decision not to teach-yet-and so the alternative was quote unquote grub street, which I think is an honorable tradition much maligned by the lofty academics of the 20th century. I write for four magazines-Vanity Fair, GQ, Time, and New York-and for each one I try to exercise a different faculty. . . . Being a critic wasn’t an aspiration of mine, but it was something I could do from Montana, where I moved six years ago . . . . "Q: Tell us about your family. "A: I grew up in a tiny Minnesota town of 500 people called Marine-on-St.-Croix. My father actually went to Princeton, Class of 1960, and was a patent attorney at 3M in Minnesota. My mother, like the mother in Thumbsucker, was a registered nurse. In its vital statistics, the family in the book very much resembles my own. But I get tired of explaining: A writer’s like the magpie, he picks everything shiny and brings it back to his nest . . . It’s mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine-it’s not transcribe." "Mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine" fairly describes Kirn’s purportedly autobiographical "Inside Ritalin." Watch out for "literary types" and save your $3.00 for something useful. Cheers, Tom

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There has been some pretty good fishing on the flats behind the mangroves a little farther south if you like light tackle action. Just remember that the bays tend to be a mile wide and a foot deep so bring a good pole.

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Gary, I’m taking my 27′ cruiser to Islamorado this coming Saturday for a week. Any comments on places to go or places to avoid while there? Thanks, TT

If you are passing by Miami, Dinner Key is a cool place to overnight. Pennekanmp is fun to dive at the Christ statue 25 07 3 . 80 17 8. In Islamorada: Holiday Isle is nut’s on the weekend  but fun. The World Wide Sportsman is the coolest store I’ve ever been in. Cool bar too. Good luck. Have fun….. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid." …I said that

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Well yeah….. Baca Grand now.

Is Boca Grande mainly tarpon?  And what would you consider the basic needs to tarpon fish there?  I hear you can land up to 200# ones. Captiva/Sanibel all the time. (Tween Waters) Flamingo. not now, unless your a blood doner. Palm Beach, Mosquito Lagoon, Islamorada. Have fun…… Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach

– While Genius and Stupidity have a lot in common.. One important difference to note is that Genius has its limits. Before you buy.

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Is Boca Grande mainly tarpon?  

No, But this time of year you’ll have a good chance of getting a big fish. And what would you consider the basic needs to tarpon fish there?

A guide the first time out.  Call Capt. Pete http://www.floridaflyfishing.com or try  http://www.bocagrandefishing.com/ The Pass is no place for beginers. It’s crowded and dangerous. You’ll also need an extra hand to run the boat. You can fish them off the beach on live/cutbait/ artificials /fly. I would suggest Johnson Shoals off Cayo Costa just south of the pass. I jumped a 125+ fish  (on fly) over Memorial day while drifting Captiva Pass. The fish came close to jumping in the boat. Scared the crap out of me. If you want to stay there, try the condos at the north end of the island. It’s my favorite place in the state. Have fun. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid." …I said that

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Any great places to visit and great fishing outings that others have done who would share them would be greatly appreciated.  Would love your input as I plan my summer boating trips this year and next.

Well yeah….. Baca Grand now. Captiva/Sanibel all the time. (Tween Waters) Flamingo. not now, unless your a blood doner. Palm Beach, Mosquito Lagoon, Islamorada. Have fun…… Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid." I said that

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Gary, I’m taking my 27′ cruiser to Islamorado this coming Saturday for a week. Any comments on places to go or places to avoid while there? Thanks, TT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any great places to visit and great fishing outings that others have done who would share them would be greatly appreciated.  Would love your input as I plan my summer boating trips this year and next. Well yeah….. Baca Grand now. Captiva/Sanibel all the time. (Tween Waters) Flamingo. not now, unless your a blood doner. Palm Beach, Mosquito Lagoon, Islamorada. Have fun…… Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid." I said that

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 I have been researching and planning for a few years and this weekend have finally landed the right boat for the right price.  I live in North Central FL and want to know the places to go and things to do with my new boat.  I have a Proline 190 CC with a 150hp Johnson. I have heard that Cumberland Island is a nice trip, Caladesi Island is nice.  I know that scalloping season starts up in July.  And have fished out of Cedar Key numerous times with friends. Any great places to visit and great fishing outings that others have done who would share them would be greatly appreciated.  Would love your input as I plan my summer boating trips this year and next. — While Genius and Stupidity have a lot in common.. One important difference to note is that Genius has its limits. Before you buy.

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Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.

[snipped] Exactly true for anyone not gifted with a T-3 connection ;^) But as for the rest of us, Jon, the problem is purely one of end-node bandwidth. For most of us – and for most of the time – the slow loading of George’s page has nothing to do with routers or switches or backbone performance. It’s the bandwidth at the faceplate attached to the wall. Also, as long as we’re in "education mode", if you think that a 48KB file is broken up into a mere dozen packets (or anything even remotely close to that) it’s time for you to go back to school ;^) Packet payloads are measured in tens or hundreds of bytes (check out the spec’s on ATM, for instance), not multi-K’s of bytes… The solution to George’s page is simple: lose the eagle, and make the darned page hierarchical. Put the latest set of events on the first page, and bury the history stuff in a half-dozen underlying pages, arranged in chronological order with links back on the first page. No big deal, don’t have to throw anything way, and it would probably take a half-hour to rearrange what he’s got now into something more practical… Regards, /daytripper (sipping the internet through a really thin straw ;^)

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Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.

(remainded snipped to unclog the superhighway) Thanks for the explanation Jon. Mark Faulkner

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Jon Cook: <<Which is *still* not related to processor speed. What you’re talking about is modem speed — and I’ll still go out on a limb and say that any endpoint with modem above 33K or so will still suffer from *internal* Internet congestion, and not just their end-node bandwidth. Heck, I’ve visited the page from a *very* fast connection and have waited minutes for it to load. Gentlemen, gentlemen….. The entire page was too big — since George has fixed it, it loads in very little time, *regardless of when you call it up*. There is very little internet activity at 6 a.m. EDT, yet it took just as long then as it did at 1 pm or 10 pm.  The thing was too long. Dave LaCourse

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bytes per.  We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it.  Your choice.

FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bytes per.  We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it.  Your choice. FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

— Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Last weekend I camped on the Beaverkill river in Roscoe, NY.  Feeling somewhat daunted by the low water, I fished the first evening at Hendrickson Pool. There was a good spinner fall and some caddis activity.  I got a strike when it was barely light enough to see.  I set the hook, and got screeched into my backing.  It took me way upstream.  I was stranded on the large rock I stood on, not wanting to follow it in the dark.  I also knew that there was a wind knot in my tippet – making a breakoff a huge likelyhood. I finally managed to land the fish.  A nineteen inch brown trout – snagged right in the vent(you know, its asshole).  I wondered how I could have managed that with a dry fly.  I left, wondering whether to feel proud or cheated. The next night, I fished the same pool.  I noticed a rise in the same spot, and sent a drift through there.  It was the same nineteen inch brownie, this time hooked properly.  There were three guys within sight to watch me, and they all made appreciative remarks as I picked it out of the water. HA! Pete C

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Pete,    If that Brown came back for seconds on the kind of treatment he got on the first night, I think I would wonder about his sexual preferences. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/

<snip  A nineteen inch brown trout – snagged right in the vent(you know, its

asshole). <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The next night, I fished the same pool.  I noticed a rise in the same spot, and sent a drift through there.  It was the same nineteen inch brownie <snip Pete C

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If that Brown came back for seconds on the kind of treatment he got on the first night, I think I would wonder about his sexual preferences. Ernie Harrison..

Reminds me of the story of the massive alternative lifestyle grizzly bear..

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I will be in Belize next month (Ambergris Caye) and will be fishing for bones, tarpon, and whatever else I can catch. I have never done this type of fishing. I need suggestions on flies (and colors), line, leaders, etc. I will have an 8 and 10 weight rod with me. If you have some helpful info, please let me know. Thanks. LT

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I will be in Belize next month (Ambergris Caye) and will be fishing for bones, tarpon, and whatever else I can catch. I have never done this type of fishing. I need suggestions on flies (and colors), line, leaders, etc. I will have an 8 and 10 weight rod with me. If you have some helpful info, please let me know. Thanks. LT

Hi Lt, You are going to the right place. There are a lot of good flats guides in the town of San Pedro on Ambergris Cay. You have the right size rods too. They do some wading for bones there and some from boats. I would have a weight forward floating salt water #8 line for the bones. The bones can be spooky so you might need a 15′ total leader to 0x. Find the stiffest leaders you can get and matching tippet. On turtle grass flats I use eye-less snapping shrimp patterns in tan. brown, olive and pink. On the sand flats I use Charlie type pattern with bead chain eyes in root beer, gold, pearl and pink. Take some small tan and olive crabs for bones too. You can catch permit on the same stuff. For tarpon I would get the SA/Mastery WF10F Tarpon Floating line and the SA/Mastery WF10S Tarpon slow sinking braided mono core line. This is the destination where those two lines can be used and I can’t say which one would really always be the best choice. I would go for the sinker for all around and the floater for the most fun. Put a 4′ butt section of  30# clear Mason on with an Albright knot so it won’t slip off that braided mono core. Put a perfection loop on the end. After this it can be done a lot of ways, but I would have some 20# Mason for tippet (why fool around on you first fish) and some 60# for shook tippet and let you guide rig it for you. I would get some sparse 3/0 tarpon flies in Cockroach, Red/Black, Grizzly/Orange, Yellow/Orange, Red/White and Purple with a little flash. Get a ‘cuda’ fly or two. You might find some bones somewhere around the island, but the best bet is a all a report when you return. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I can’t fault advice below, except I personally have had poor luck using crab patterns for bones (never fished for permit). Charlies work great (best colors for me have been chartreuse or tan). Clouser minnows have been hot in BZ (at least in Placencia where I go) past couple of years. Sizes 2 and 4 are good; sparsely tied (I had one that was sparse to begin with, and got better after a lizardfish chewed off 2/3 of the bucktail). Chartreuse is best (with a white belly of course), and tan, brown and olive worked for me too. I’m told Clousers are good for permit too (larger, sizes 1 or 2) but as I say I haven’t tried. I’ve used the Bonefish Special for real shallow water or over grass with success, but I want to try the snapping shrimp pattern that Bill mentioned. Got to get tying! Eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in Belize next month (Ambergris Caye) and will be fishing for bones, tarpon, and whatever else I can catch. I have never done this type of fishing. I need suggestions on flies (and colors), line, leaders, etc. I will have an 8 and 10 weight rod with me. If you have some helpful info, please let me know. Thanks. LT Hi Lt, You are going to the right place. There are a lot of good flats guides in the town of San Pedro on Ambergris Cay. You have the right size rods too. They do some wading for bones there and some from boats. I would have a weight forward floating salt water #8 line for the bones. The bones can be spooky so you might need a 15′ total leader to 0x. Find the stiffest leaders you can get and matching tippet. On turtle grass flats I use eye-less snapping shrimp patterns in tan. brown, olive and pink. On the sand flats I use Charlie type pattern with bead chain eyes in root beer, gold, pearl and pink. Take some small tan and olive crabs for bones too. You can catch permit on the same stuff. For tarpon I would get the SA/Mastery WF10F Tarpon Floating line and the SA/Mastery WF10S Tarpon slow sinking braided mono core line. This is the destination where those two lines can be used and I can’t say which one would really always be the best choice. I would go for the sinker for all around and the floater for the most fun. Put a 4′ butt section of  30# clear Mason on with an Albright knot so it won’t slip off that braided mono core. Put a perfection loop on the end. After this it can be done a lot of ways, but I would have some 20# Mason for tippet (why fool around on you first fish) and some 60# for shook tippet and let you guide rig it for you. I would get some sparse 3/0 tarpon flies in Cockroach, Red/Black, Grizzly/Orange, Yellow/Orange, Red/White and Purple with a little flash. Get a ‘cuda’ fly or two. You might find some bones somewhere around the island, but the best bet is a all a report when you return. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I can’t fault advice below, except I personally have had poor luck using crab patterns for bones (never fished for permit).

Hi Eric, We use real small tan Raghead crabs that where develope by Jan Isley in Ascencion Bay for permit. They are about the size of a dime. We catch small permit (3 to 6#) on them too. We use them in larger sizesfor larger permit and in olive/green too.  I also have been fishing Placencia and really love the area. If you get a chance tell me more about your adventures in that area. Who are you fishing with?  I have some chartreuse snapping shrimp called ‘Yucatan Specials’, but have not tried them. Thanks for you info. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Well, you don’t really seem to get my point, Shawnie. THIS IS ALT.SUPPORT.DEPRESSION.MANIC!!! Your war against darkman, who I see as a very compassionate, caring, knowledgeable individual DOES NOT FIT IN HERE! (and yes, I know it is rude to shout. But so are you bringing this here.)

| | |Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this |group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different |feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? | |You don’t know how my cgi guestbook works. I don’t really care how your CGI guestbook works. I suggested you got a different kind of guestbook. | | Not much of a |change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track |a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. | | |not when they use an anonymizer service. No matter. You can still moderate your guestbook and remove obscene messages. I am sure you don’t have such a traffic-volume that this would be a problem. Obscene, anonymized mails could be dealth with – they are always marked with the anon-service abuse-address. I hope you take this fight to another place. It is common netiquette to post ontopic. Haakon

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know what darkman has done and does do for me and you will NEVER convince me that he is the sicko doing this to you. So just deal with it privately and leave the rest of us the HELL alone. I am sick of your posts! — Kimber "Recognize your emotional style and make it work for you."

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darkman frm hell – @38.30.246 / http:// Kill all the runts! let them all die!  Shawnie is a whore and a slut! She fucked her  counsellour then tried to kill him. Signed on: Thu Nov 19 20:59:37 EST 1998 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon | | | Click here to see what the loser is up to now |http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm | | | | | | |Take Care |congenital heart defects webring: | http://adventureangling.com/chd/webring.htm |Adventure Angling |http://adventureangling.com |y2k,chd,BP,MD and fishing book stores: |http://adventureangling.com/books/index.htm

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Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon

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What is your problem with darkman? Why do you think everyone who calls themselves Darkman are the same person? I am having SERIOUS problems right now and darkman is helping me more than anyone else around. He is hunting up info for me, he is encouraging me (not that a lot of you aren’t helping also). But make sure of your facts before attacking someone who is doing so much good. — Kimber "Recognize your emotional style and make it work for you."

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It is against the law to publicly post private e-mail and it certainly does not belong in this forum.  You are doing the same type of thing that darkman is doing to me. He is taking posts of mine on this NG that I Posted just days after getting out of the hospital and posting them to my guestbooks.  He also e-mails them to me as a form of harassment.  Yes I know it is him his e-mail program used the same reply to e-mail address that he uses here in the NG’s.  Take another look at the obscene messages he posted in my guest book that imply my daughter should be killed http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm and try to have some compassion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –             Re: Dark man is at it again         To:  References:             1 , 2 , 3 I don’t care what the hell you think The above email was received by me from editor and is in its unedited version. Catherine I agree with Tunesmith.  Darkman seems not the type to post such trash on editor’s page.  I also think ASDM is NOT the appropriate place to post such accusations about someone. Editor, take the time to track down this person through their IP number and learn who the real poster is to your page. Peace, Catherine Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon | | | Click here to see what the loser is up to now |http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm | | | | | | |Take Care |congenital heart defects webring: | http://adventureangling.com/chd/webring.htm |Adventure Angling |http://adventureangling.com |y2k,chd,BP,MD and fishing book stores: |http://adventureangling.com/books/index.htm Paint the sky with stars So our spirits have to fly. Paint the sky with stars So our spirits have to fly.

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You may want to try some attractant, it may or may not actually attract them but the confidence boost can do wonders.  Try some beef liver cut into strips, it stays on the hook better.  If you own a pair of binoculars use them.  Most of all have fun and don’t give up! I promise fish will come, I saw (on TV) a trout hit a trolled plastic Batman action figure and your using better bait then that. Chris www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/4724/

Last summer my kids used gummy worms at my father-in-law’s farm pond, and caught a couple of catfish and a largemouth.  It was a very hot day though, and before long, the rest of the worms had melted into one big glob  :-(

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.ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME .. Just to add to the last angler’s comments…….Never wash your hands with soap…..If you have to, use some Berkeley Erase and put on your hands. Good fishin’ Garry

You may want to try some attractant, it may or may not actually attract them but the confidence boost can do wonders.  Try some beef liver cut into strips, it stays on the hook better.  If you own a pair of binoculars use them.  Most of all have fun and don’t give up! I promise fish will come, I saw (on TV) a trout hit a trolled plastic Batman action figure and your using better bait then that. Chris www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/4724/

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Try livebait, if you don’t catch something soon, change body of water; experiment!… Take your time and observe what’s going on around you  [and definitely, READ].

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Some basic rules :  Use purple or Grape colored 6in. plastic Throw in rock piles & heavy brush near shoreline off the main channel move plastics about 6_12 in. at a time in slow or fast jerks. Always pause for a moment between jerks. thats when you watch the line for twitches . At this point set the hook as hard as you can.                  try this.

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 T I M E…YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT YOUR TIME IN…..AND AS FAR AS YOUR NEIGHBORS GO…TELL THEM YOUR A CATCH AND RELEASE TYPE OF GUY…CONSERVATION…..YOU WANT YOUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN TO CATCH FISH ON CATCHING SOME FISH ,START FISHING AROUND OTHER PEOPLE,WATCH WHAT THEY DO!!!!!!! HOW THEY CAST,BAIT ,RIG THEIR POLES….TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE LURE,SLOW,FAST,BROKEN RETREIVE) DONT BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS…GO TO A COUNTY LIBRARY…READ….ORRENT A MOVIE…THEY SHOULD HAVE INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO’S ON ALL TYPES OF FISHING….ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME …I HOPE THAT WILL BRIGHTEN YOUR

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Suggest you try Lafayette Reservoir during the winter months for trout.  Use four pound test, with a small slip sinker, that ends at a snap swivel; a leader of 18" to 24" with a snap swivel on one side and a size 14 or 16 gold treble hook on the other; baited with rainbow, flourescent orange, yellow or green power bait.  Take a row boat to the East Cove in the morning before the sun hits the water.  Cast and let it settle to the bottom – wait.  This is a great way to catch stockers up to 5 lbs.   It is what I usually do when the Sierra is in a cold freeze until the rivers are open for flyfishing.  Wear WARM CLOTHES.  Tight lines. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i love to fish. the problem is, i don’t know how. i usally fish the stocked lakes here in the san francisco-east bay because it’s the only type of fishing that my work schedule will allow me to do.i fish for bass, trout,and catfish.i use a bigger seperate pole for the cats, using chicken livers, while throwing spinners and plastic worms for bass , and power bait for trout, but i never catch any fish. maybe i need rigging skills, i don’t know, but my nieghbors always see me leave with poles and come home with no fish, but it’s even more embarassing when i take some of the son’s of my wifes friends, (or even worse) my own 5 year old daughter who only likes to go when we catch fish.                                                              please help                                                                   cakeman300

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i love to fish. the problem is, i don’t know how. i usally fish the stocked lakes here in the san francisco-east bay because it’s the only type of fishing that my work schedule will allow me to do.i fish for bass, trout,and catfish.i use a bigger seperate pole for the cats, using chicken livers, while throwing spinners and plastic worms for bass , and power bait for trout, but i never catch any fish. maybe i need rigging skills, i don’t know, but my nieghbors always see me leave with poles and come home with no fish, but it’s even more embarassing when i take some of the son’s of my wifes friends, (or even worse) my own 5 year old daughter who only likes to go when we catch fish.                                                              please help                                                                   cakeman300

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.ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME ..

Just to add to the last angler’s comments…….Never wash your hands with soap…..If you have to, use some Berkeley Erase and put on your hands.  Good fishin’ Garry

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I’d say Chris covered the best basics, and I’d like to add this cause it happened to me when I started fishing years ago. Do not,I repeat, do not sit around all day Saturdays watching Dance, Houston, Winkleman, Orlando, Lindner,etc , because you’ll wind up tossing 2oz.spinnerbaits, porko fanbelts, carolina rigs, pop-r’s and  rattletraps  tied to 50 lb spiderwire  on some big ass 7 foot pole. Your on a "shit" streak,so rig light line no bigger than 6lbs. for a while. Remember that plastic worms are still on record as catching more bass in more situations than any other lure including live worms. When you are absolutely sure you are fishing too slow, …. SLOW DOWN some more!  "Do sumpin" lures often do something all right .. they keep you casting and retrieving so much,a fish would need a rocketpac just to catch the ‘ damn things! hope this helps ..Saint                                            *Z*  ~ The Saint                                                        

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I want tostart fly fishing for smallmouth on Trinity Lake, CA. What type of lines and flies would you recommend?, Thanks

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I want tostart fly fishing for smallmouth on Trinity Lake, CA. What type of lines and flies would you recommend?, Thanks

You really don’t need anything all that different from trout equipment. I use a 9ft. for 6WT rod that is just great for the lakes and streams nearby. I’ve heard from others who like a 7Wt to punch those largeer bass bugs through the air. I fish mostly with Wooley Buggers, Streamers and Poppers of medium size, and both my 5WT and ^WT work just fine. They also make fine trout rods as well. Keith in Waterford, VA

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Hey John Fereira!    My news server has been out for three days and I just noticed on the news.groups that a CFV has started for flytying. Has it been posted here on ROFF?    This is the time folks! You don’t have to discuss it any more, just vote. I’ve sent in my vote and received a reply that it has been counted. Keep your feet dry, — lukn4fish Bob San Jose, Ca

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Hey John Fereira!   My news server has been out for three days and I just noticed on the news.groups that a CFV has started for flytying. Has it been posted here on ROFF?   This is the time folks! You don’t have to discuss it any more, just vote. I’ve sent in my vote and received a reply that it has been counted. Keep your feet dry,

Yes, it was posted here, in rec.outdoors.fishing, and in news.groups. I vote YES for rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying or I vote NO for rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying as the only line in the text of the message. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

The lower portion, near and in Lake Solano is a put and take fishery, heavily stocked.  Good fishing, good luck avoiding the worm drowners.  The upper portion, near Montecello dam is a blue ribbon wild trout fishery.  I have seen 30"+ browns rise for a bat!  (how to tie that one   Very difficult fishing, and often rather dangerous.  Swift current and bouldery bottom.   Your next step could be 5′ straight down off an underwater ledge.  Fish are heavily fished and very wary.  Prepare to get skunked.  Some very good FFers I know can only claim 1 fish in 10 years of fishing there, but it was a 26" brown.  Above the Montecello dam is a warm water lake, and bellow the lake solano dam gets dried to nothing in dry summers, so fish are scarce. Good luck, and whatever you do, don’t embarass yourself by trying to claim there were no fish there. Lenny Bloksberg . .

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Tim, I too wish you luck, I went up to the Monticello Dam area a couple of weeks after the March Monsters blew through here and had a hard time recognizing the area. There were HUGE landslides. Basically, there was no access to a badly overfished area. I tried clambering over new stream channels, the access bridge was GONE and so were the trails to the the base of the dam. I haven’t been back, I’ll look again after the Power Baiters are gone. John E.

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]I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, ]but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed ]some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this ]Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good ]place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of ]flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has ]to say about this creek. ]TimFLYFISH Tim, I believe the better flyfishing at Putah is from Nov-March, because that’s when the flows are lower, and they restrict fishing in the upper section to artificials, single barbless hook, C&R.  This time of year, you’re battling bait dunkers and the higher flows. Effective patterns I’ve heard of (in the winter) include PT nymphs or blue wing olive nymphs, size 18-22. A good friend (and reliable source) told me that he went in February or March, and that they had had some kind of disastorous mudslide in the upper section, just above the Highway 128 bridge.  He said you couldn’t even see some of the boulders in the river, because they were covered with a mud sludge.  They had construction crews with heavy equipment out there, trying to smooth the land where the slide had occurred. I hope it’s recovered somewhat since then.  Please keep us posted on how you did and the river conditions.  Thanks, Bill Uyeki

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

I ‘ve fished Putah for almost 20 years and its really gone downhill in the last 10 or so.  Erratic water flows, streamside erosion, overfishing have taken their toll.  Seams to me that there could be the potential for a blue ribbon fishery but it clearly ain’t one now. Garrick

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From what I have heard, I am glad that I didn’t end up going. A late night stoped the morning trip. I probably won’t on going there again if what you have said is true. Thank you for the info.

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Well 6/7/95, Mammoth fishing is still slow.  Crowley is near dead. 17-20" browns and even smaller rainbows on olive buggers with flash. I say forget Mammoth for now.  Air Temps in the 50S.  Still needs to warm up and water needs to clear.

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Try fishing at Parking Lot #3; good pocket water, as well as large surface water.

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Try fishing at Parking Lot #3; good pocket water, as well as large surface water.

I have seen the name Putah Creek in more than one location. Where is this one? Thanks, Michael Paine

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I have seen the name Putah Creek in more than one location. Where is this one? Thanks, Michael Paine

It’s between the Bay Area and Sacramento.  Below Lake Berryessa.                  /                                                           John Woodling                 /                                                           Sacramento, CA                /                   "The lure of fishing is that it is the pursuit of that which is elusive, yet attainable……an endless series of occasions for hope"

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