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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re missing something. A float tube in many states is considered a boat. And CG regulations require you to have a personal flotation device handy on the boat. When float tubes go bad, they often dont’ just leak a little, they deflate quickly. Every year it seems, at least one person dies because his float tube deflates and he/she panics and gets stuck getting out of it or can not swim. Or back home in the southeast, float tubes are a favorite way to fish the tailwaters, and it is not difficult to get careless and upended on moving waters, especially during unscheduled releases.. As long as you’re not stuck under a rock or a log, the floatation device will at least bring you back to the surface. Wayne Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it?

Wayne makes some additional good points r.w. George

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You’re missing something.

Well, I’m not going to start wearing a life jacket in my float tube. I can always rely on the whistle I had to buy in Yellowstone if I get in trouble. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Well, I’m not going to start wearing a life jacket in my float tube. I can always rely on the whistle I had to buy in Yellowstone if I get in trouble.

Or maybe someone will happen by with 100 wine corks. <g — Charlie…

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Anyhow r.w. I bought a couple of those minature, under the vest life-vests and I don’t go wading in water over my head without one on.

        it’s statements like that one that make me question whether or not we could exist without you, george.         really, though, i thought you could simply walk on top of water over your head. wayno

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Well, I’m not going to start wearing a life jacket in my float tube. I can always rely on the whistle I had to buy in Yellowstone if I get in trouble. Or maybe someone will happen by with 100 wine corks. <g

Won’t be necessary.  The little ball inside the whistle is made from cork. Given the well known crowding on Yellowstone waters, it should be obvious that a single toot on the whistle would cause everyone in the immediate area to hurl his or her own whistle at the poor unfortunate, thus providing enough little cork balls to float even the densest ROFFian until the appropriate rescue personnel arrive on the scene. Wolfgang ya gotta love that sense of selfless cooperation

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I’m not going to start wearing a life jacket in my float tube. I can always rely on the whistle I had to buy in Yellowstone if I get in trouble. Or maybe someone will happen by with 100 wine corks. <g Won’t be necessary.  The little ball inside the whistle is made from cork. Given the well known crowding on Yellowstone waters, it should be obvious that a single toot on the whistle would cause everyone in the immediate area to hurl his or her own whistle at the poor unfortunate, thus providing enough little cork balls to float even the densest ROFFian until the appropriate rescue personnel arrive on the scene. Wolfgang ya gotta love that sense of selfless cooperation

Some people have been known to drown, while others were wetting their whistles. TL MC

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As long as you’re not stuck under a rock or a log, the floatation device will at least bring you back to the surface.

…so your next of kin can claim the body before it gets all yucky.  :-) Joe F.

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Well, I’m not going to start wearing a life jacket in my float tube. I can always rely on the whistle I had to buy in Yellowstone if I get in trouble. Or maybe someone will happen by with 100 wine corks. <g

Man, have you guys got the wrong theory on this…pull the cork, drink the wine, put the cork back in the bottle, and then toss him both. You’d not need anywhere near 100 – I’d bet that the cork AND the bottle offer more flotation than just the cork, and that way, everyone is happy…. TC, R

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rw  wrote Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it?

I think it’s pretty clear that if you only have one floatation device, in this case, your tube, and it fails… you’re sunk. I recommend one of the auto inflatable life vests as a back up…they have a little ‘panic’ cord that causes the vest to inflate immediatly from a CO2 cartridge.  I understand they have these in models that are basically like suspenders until you need them.  I’m not sure how bulky these are.  Personally, I use an auto inflatable that packs nicely into a pouch approx 10"x6"x2" that easily fits into one of the large storage pockets on my tube.  I would strongly recommend such a device to anyone, especially those who still use a donut style tube. Another word to the wise regarding donut tubes.  Have you ever figured out what you’d do if you fell over in shallow water as you are stepping out of your tube? It’s a good idea to think, in advance, about what you’d do in this situation.  I have heard that some people have drowned just this way. Personally, I use a U-boat that’s got a styrofoam block as a seat.  The latter will float me even if the tube completely deflates.  Given the fact that I wear neoprene waders, and I still keep my auto-inflatable vest in a storage pocket, I feel pretty unsinkable.  (By the way, I keep a whistle too) (Just my luck, I’ll still figure a way to drown myself even with all that back-up!) FiddleAway

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Oh boy BJC.  If ever there was a river to have a Personal Floatation Device, I would think the Deschutes just about rates right up there.  The least someone should do is put a small bottle of Gehrke’s Fly Floatation Device in their vest.  At the last second, they can smear it on their face giving them a chance for a couple of last breaths and casts?

Oh man…if a whole bottle were to fall in a river…man…I shudder. That would have drastic consequences. Iimagine the whole river floating…higher and higher all the way to the jetstream where it flows ethereal and winds its way back to the dream. By the way?  Do you need a free hat B.C.?

Yes, I was thinking it should say…. "Get some Ginkee on your Fingee" Your pal, — The Halfordian Golfer The deceipt ends with the lure.

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Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rw  wrote Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it? I think it’s pretty clear that if you only have one floatation device, in this case, your tube, and it fails… you’re sunk. I can swim. In fact, I can swim pretty well. If I couldn’t swim I probably wouldn’t use a float tube. Life in a series of tradeoffs. I think my chance of a catastrophic float-tube failure, leaving me somewhere from which I couldn’t swim to shore, is pretty remote. That chance doesn’t (in my opinion) merit me using a life vest. I’ll roll those dice, and if they come up snake eyes so be it.

Actually, I was addressing your original statement which was that you do not see the point of wearing a vest.  Actually,  I think you knew in advance why most people have backup floatation devices, but you wanted to make your fatalistic point about snake eyes. I see your point, and I can respect your attitude.  In fact, if having backup weren’t so easy, low hassle, and inexpensive, I might even cop it myself. But, flotation backup is easy and cheap and death by drowning really gives me the creeps.  So as long as I can imagine realistic situations (and I can), though unlikely, where having backup would save my life (when not having them would not), I’ll take it. That is the point for me and I suspect that’s the point for most people (which, as I said, I think you knew already, right?) FiddleAway

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Actually, I was addressing your original statement which was that you do not see the point of wearing a vest.  Actually,  I think you knew in advance why most people have backup floatation devices, but you wanted to make your fatalistic point about snake eyes.

I didn’t mean to imply that someone who wears a life vest or a "backup floatation device" is stupid. I’m sorry if it came across that way. It’s just that in my personal experience I haven’t felt the need for one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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rw wrote Actually, I was addressing your original statement which was that you do not see the point of wearing a vest.  Actually,  I think you knew in advance why most people have backup floatation devices, but you wanted to make your fatalistic point about snake eyes. I didn’t mean to imply that someone who wears a life vest or a "backup floatation device" is stupid. I’m sorry if it came across that way. It’s just that in my personal experience I haven’t felt the need for one.

Er, well, I didn’t mean to imply that you meant to imply that… Actually I thought your subtext was more along the lines of …the less you worry about unlikely things, the more you enjoy whatever it is you’re doing … or something like that. Which happens to be a sentiment I agree with … still, we all have our own comfort level. FiddleAway

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You’re missing something. A float tube in many states is considered a boat. And CG regulations require you to have a personal flotation device handy on the boat. When float tubes go bad, they often dont’ just leak a little, they deflate quickly. Every year it seems, at least one person dies because his float tube deflates and he/she panics and gets stuck getting out of it or can not swim. Or back home in the southeast, float tubes are a favorite way to fish the tailwaters, and it is not difficult to get careless and upended on moving waters, especially during unscheduled releases.. As long as you’re not stuck under a rock or a log, the floatation device will at least bring you back to the surface. Wayne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Isn’t the backrest in your tube inflateable? Isn’t it in all of them? If so, then there is a floatation device right there. Ok, so it’s not CG approved, BFD. Darin

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rw  wrote Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it? I think it’s pretty clear that if you only have one floatation device, in this case, your tube, and it fails… you’re sunk.

I can swim. In fact, I can swim pretty well. If I couldn’t swim I probably wouldn’t use a float tube. Life in a series of tradeoffs. I think my chance of a catastrophic float-tube failure, leaving me somewhere from which I couldn’t swim to shore, is pretty remote. That chance doesn’t (in my opinion) merit me using a life vest. I’ll roll those dice, and if they come up snake eyes so be it. Maybe if I were float tubing in the middle of the Great Slave Lake I’d feel differently. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Maine now requires that you carry, not necessarily wear, a USCG approved floatation device when fishing from a tube as they do with any type of boat and/or personal watercraft. I’ve taken to dragging one of those cheapie orange wall mart vests behind my tube since wearing it would be a pain in the ass. I’ve looked at the inflatable SOS-penders and the like and will probably one day get one since I’m not the swimteam type anymore Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Not necessarily r.w.  Cold water temperatures lower the body tempertures which tends to make the blood want to congeal which could result in a heart attack.  One should always have a back up floatation device and it is also a good idea to take asprin the night before to help thin the blood.  Asprin for older folks, each day is a good idea anyhow, if your doctor okays it for you. Float tube do go flat in the middle of a lake for no good reason at all.  We should remember that tire tubes get punctured or spring leaks.  Most systems are two chambered R.W. and all you need is one side to go flat on you and you’re leaning sideways and over you go. Often, in float tubes of various models, the user may fall into the water or need to get out of the floatation tube for various reasons.  The worst thing anyone can do once in the water is to hold onto the fly rod.  Unless someone is close enough to let them reach your butt section to drag you out or towards them, let the damned thing go.  Fly rods are expendable but you’re not. Anyhow r.w. I bought a couple of those minature, under the vest life-vests and I don’t go wading in water over my head without one on.  I also don’t go tubing or floating anywhere without wearing one.  So the smart option is to always make a back up floatation device part of your main system.  Be a ground hog, have a back door escape route  planned or ready in case you may need it. Trying to swim with fly fishing thermo clothing, waders, flippers, vests, heavy coats, etc. on is not the same as trying to swim in a warm pool with just trunks on. (Or skinny dipping)  Another factor is does the tuber smoke?  Frailing around in ice cold lake water and worse yet, spring fed ponds with little or no good lung power doesn’t assure enough energy to reach shore.  I know of one gentleman who was paddled himself right into a sharp stick that was just an inch under the water.  Put a hole the size of a baseball into his tube and he sunk in seconds!  If I wasn’t there, he would have drowned. Get one of those little CO2 life vests r.w.  It’s wonderful life insurance. George Gehrke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see the point of wearing a life vest in a float tube. A float tube by definition floats, doesn’t it? If you fall out, can’t you just hang on to it? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Last I heard, here in Washington a float tube was considered a swim toy, therefore no PFD required. Darin

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If you are in the deschutes in your pontoon boat you have to have a PFD,  a trip permit and a container for waste ( that more that just candy bar wrappers ).  I have heard from some people that it applies to float tubes also but have not had a chance to talk to the ODFG yet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never wear a life vest when I am in my float tube

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Oh boy BJC.  If ever there was a river to have a Personal Floatation Device, I would think the Deschutes just about rates right up there.  The least someone should do is put a small bottle of Gehrke’s Fly Floatation Device in their vest.  At the last second, they can smear it on their face giving them a chance for a couple of last breaths and casts?  By the way?  Do you need a free hat B.C.? ;  } – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are in the deschutes in your pontoon boat you have to have a PFD,  a trip permit and a container for waste ( that more that just candy bar wrappers ).  I have heard from some people that it applies to float tubes also but have not had a chance to talk to the ODFG yet. I never wear a life vest when I am in my float tube

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I wouldn;t use a tube without a life vest system of some sort. I use a floater vest, made by mustang. It is inflatable, fits just like a fishing vest, is waterproof, and has a CO2 cartridge for inflation. Also has a mouth tube. Catsing is no problem, even when I weighed 250 lbs. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never wear a life vest when I am in my float tube.  The reason, of course, is that you can’t cast with a life vest on over my 225 pounds of body.  I saw an article that discussed flooding your waders to see what happens.  At least with neoprene, you float and in fact it is hard to keep your feet down, even when it is completely filled with water.  Since I use neoprene, exclusively, in my float tube that was an encouraging article.  However, there are the fish & game folks out, very rarely, but sometimes and I don’t want a ticket and I don’t want to wear a life vest.  I looked at the inflatable suspenders thingies ($75 a pair and coast guard approved), and they are a bother to cast around also (I tried them on at the fly shop, stepped outside with one of their rods and was not pleased, especially while I was sitting).  My float tube, The Woodriver Gliderider, comes with a floatation cushion and it puts me too high up in the seat of my tube and I also lose some of the pinch effect of the pontoons that hold me in (besides the law is that I have to be ‘wearing’ the floatation device.  I feel safe in my neoprenes; even if  I have to swim in them (the article goes on to say that it was not much of a challenge to swim in waders, a little awkward, but not much).  Also, my float tube has separate chambers for safety and I think that is good as well.  I realize that there is an available safety inflatable cushion that you can put in a pocket, but the current law requires the angler to be WEARING the floatation device. What the hell do you guys, who use float tubes, do? Padishar Creel – Don’t mind the whistle part of the law, makes good sense…

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I know that you did not like them, but I use the SOSpenders.  I weigh a little more than you so it can be done.  I find that in either the pontoon or tube I can cast while wearing them.  As I’m a lousy swimmer, I sometimes wear them if I fish alone on the Deschutes.  In Oregon, I think the law is to have one available in a floating device, but not specifically to be wearing it.  That allows those hip pack inflatables to be used if they are Coast Guard approved. On swimming, here is a link on swimming in waders.  It also shows the application of a hip pack inflatable. http://www.westernflyfisher.com/index.asp?i=0101p25v5&t=1 ra kane at gte dot net "BassCreel" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never wear a life vest when I am in my float tube.  The reason, of course, is that you can’t cast with a life vest on over my 225 pounds of body.  I saw an article that discussed flooding your waders to see what happens.  At least with neoprene, you float and in fact it is hard to keep your feet down, even when it is completely filled with water.  Since I use neoprene, exclusively, in my float tube that was an encouraging article.  However, there are the fish & game folks out, very rarely, but sometimes and I don’t want a ticket and I don’t want to wear a life vest.  I looked at the inflatable suspenders thingies ($75 a pair and coast guard approved), and they are a bother to cast around also (I tried them on at the fly shop, stepped outside with one of their rods and was not pleased, especially while I was sitting).  My float tube, The Woodriver Gliderider, comes with a floatation cushion and it puts me too high up in the seat of my tube and I also lose some of the pinch effect of the pontoons that hold me in (besides the law is that I have to be ‘wearing’ the floatation device.  I feel safe in my neoprenes; even if  I have to swim in them (the article goes on to say that it was not much of a challenge to swim in waders, a little awkward, but not much).  Also, my float tube has separate chambers for safety and I think that is good as well.  I realize that there is an available safety inflatable cushion that you can put in a pocket, but the current law requires the angler to be WEARING the floatation device. What the hell do you guys, who use float tubes, do? Padishar Creel – Don’t mind the whistle part of the law, makes good sense…

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I never wear a life vest when I am in my float tube.  The reason, of course, is that you can’t cast with a life vest on over my 225 pounds of body.  I saw an article that discussed flooding your waders to see what happens.  At least with neoprene, you float and in fact it is hard to keep your feet down, even when it is completely filled with water.  Since I use neoprene, exclusively, in my float tube that was an encouraging article.  However, there are the fish & game folks out, very rarely, but sometimes and I don’t want a ticket and I don’t want to wear a life vest.  I looked at the inflatable suspenders thingies ($75 a pair and coast guard approved), and they are a bother to cast around also (I tried them on at the fly shop, stepped outside with one of their rods and was not pleased, especially while I was sitting).  My float tube, The Woodriver Gliderider, comes with a floatation cushion and it puts me too high up in the seat of my tube and I also lose some of the pinch effect of the pontoons that hold me in (besides the law is that I have to be ‘wearing’ the floatation device.  I feel safe in my neoprenes; even if  I have to swim in them (the article goes on to say that it was not much of a challenge to swim in waders, a little awkward, but not much).  Also, my float tube has separate chambers for safety and I think that is good as well.  I realize that there is an available safety inflatable cushion that you can put in a pocket, but the current law requires the angler to be WEARING the floatation device. What the hell do you guys, who use float tubes, do? Padishar Creel – Don’t mind the whistle part of the law, makes good sense…

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I am a recent arrival to the Central Valley- the Elk Grove area of Sacramento to be exact- and I’m looking for some fishing area tips. I did go out last night to the Sac River just south of the Freeport Bridge and caught cats with my neighbors, but catfishing is not my favorite pasttime. I did however learn several new tackle tips ; Magic String, Sliders" etc..  While I can tolerate bait fishing and always catch fishing using bait, it is not my favorite fishing. My former pursuits were the smallmouth bass of eastern NY rivers (Hoosick, Hudson, Mohawk) on spin and fly tackle so that may give you an idea of the kind of fishing I’m used to. I am perfectly happy fishing for bluegill  with a light fly rod and I have thoroughly enjoyed the occasional carp I’ve tied into. I know the area here has a wealth of fishing I’m just not sure where it is! I would like to start with freshwater sites for now. I do have a canoe so any smallcraft waters  directions would also be appreciated. Also any local publications I should be reading will be greatly appreciated. Also which stamps are worth the purchase on a CA fishing license? Thanks for being computer literate anglers! Phil

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Get the Fish Sniffer, publisher is in Elk Grove.  Lots of fishing.  The pits next to I-5 hold bass, you can fish from shore, or canoe.  Get Tom Stienstra’s book, Fishing California, lists every bit of fishable water in the state.  The Stanislaus river is good, and canoe friendly.  Go up to Verona and shad may still be there, can fish fron the sandbar in the Feather.  Float the Sac above Colusa with the canoe.  Smallies, shad, salmon, LMB. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am a recent arrival to the Central Valley- the Elk Grove area of Sacramento to be exact- and I’m looking for some fishing area tips. I did go out last night to the Sac River just south of the Freeport Bridge and caught cats with my neighbors, but catfishing is not my favorite pasttime. I did however learn several new tackle tips ; Magic String, Sliders" etc..  While I can tolerate bait fishing and always catch fishing using bait, it is not my favorite fishing. My former pursuits were the smallmouth bass of eastern NY rivers (Hoosick, Hudson, Mohawk) on spin and fly tackle so that may give you an idea of the kind of fishing I’m used to. I am perfectly happy fishing for bluegill  with a light fly rod and I have thoroughly enjoyed the occasional carp I’ve tied into. I know the area here has a wealth of fishing I’m just not sure where it is! I would like to start with freshwater sites for now. I do have a canoe so any smallcraft waters  directions would also be appreciated. Also any local publications I should be reading will be greatly appreciated. Also which stamps are worth the purchase on a CA fishing license? Thanks for being computer literate anglers! Phil

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Anyone who know about a really good book about Clasic Salmonflies? Ole A Andreassen http://www.flyfishing-illustrated.com

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If you really want the classic book Try Geoge M. Kelson "The salmon fly" Dr T.E. Pryce, Tannatt "How to dress salmon flies Francis Francis "Book on angling" J.H. Hale "how to tie salmon flies William Blacker "The art of fly making" If you want more recent books on classic fly try Radencich Mikael Frodin Joseph Bates Ken Sawada Judith Dunham Paul Schmookler Poul Jorgensen Hope this help! Robert Mayrand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: Nextra Public Access Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Anyone who know about a really good book about Clasic Salmonflies? Ole A Andreassen http://www.flyfishing-illustrated.com

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Try the new Magellan 320 Fisherman. It is handheld, and has all the buoys, lights, and fixed navaids. It is great for a small boat that stays near the coast, and is very reasonable in price. I fish a lot, and use it as a back up on my big boat and just use it alone on my 16 foot and 14 foot boats. — Red Rider (J-V-B Triangle) We Shoot For Accuracy "I may have a bad memory, but I have over 39 years of diaries, log books and notes". If it doesn’t work I’ll apply more force. Of course I support "Freedom of Speech". I also support my right not to pay attention to fools.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in getting a GPS.  I fly fish the coastal waters around Cape Cod from a small boat.  There a many different models available.  I would be interested in suggestions about how to think about this and any specific recommendations people have. Thank you

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I like my Garmin "Map" hand held. its totally waterproof, has charts,its the newest gagjit from Garmin. i can only go up to color now but there $1300 bucks too my unit was $309 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in getting a GPS.  I fly fish the coastal waters around Cape Cod from a small boat.  There a many different models available.  I would be interested in suggestions about how to think about this and any specific recommendations people have. Thank you

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I am interested in getting a GPS.  I fly fish the coastal waters around Cape Cod from a small boat.  There a many different models available.  I would be interested in suggestions about how to think about this and any specific recommendations people have. Thank you

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I am interested in getting a GPS.  I fly fish the coastal waters around Cape Cod from a small boat.  There a many different models available.  I would be interested in suggestions about how to think about this and any specific recommendations people have.

Garmin works for me I currently have the Garmin GPSMAP 230. I have had 2 other Garmins previously. The map chips are great cannot get lost as long as system is operational. 118 days to go..

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Hi, Does anyone know of a good place to fly fish in North Carolina?  I haven’t been fishing since I move to the state and now have the itch again.  Any tips would be great. Thanks, Sam

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Hi, Does anyone know of a good place to fly fish in North Carolina?  I haven’t been fishing since I move to the state and now have the itch again.  Any tips would be great. Thanks, Sam

Sam, Contact: Bruce Harang, Great Southern Appalachial guide. Voice:704-236-1319 Fax: 704-236-1338 Joel Axelrad

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Hi, Does anyone know of a good place to fly fish in North Carolina?  I haven’t been fishing since I move to the state and now have the itch again.  Any tips would be great. Thanks, Sam

Sam, What type of fishing are you planning? NC has trout in the mountains, bass, panfish, etc. in the piedmont and lowlands, and all types of saltwater species on the coast. I’d suggest finding a local fly shop and going from there. There are plenty of waters to fish and I’d hazard a guess that there are some close to you. Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Sam, Make sure you check out my website.  It has tons of info on there.  I think you can find a fishing hole or two or three.  Where are you located?

Hi, Does anyone know of a good place to fly fish in North Carolina?  I haven’t been fishing since I move to the state and now have the itch again.  Any tips would be great. Thanks, Sam — Flyfish NC                                                   Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com                                                                  

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Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the

rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie.< C’mon, Ken.  You’re going to make Trudie feel unwelcome.  Strangers don’t understand that your bark is somewhat worse than your bite.  <g

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Go troll elsewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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Hi everybody, I’m an asshole!  (Blah Blah Blah)

Let the flames begin! First of all shit bird, what kind of clout do you think you have that you can waltz in here and expect to get everybody to just run to your site. Yes, some people here argue strongly about what concerns them. But I don’t think that everybody here takes it to personally because we all know that it’s nearly impossible to get your point across with short post’s. It does get frustrating. But someone like you who thinks that there gods gift to newsgroups has nothing to offer anyway. There’s an old saying. Here goes-"people who think that they know it all really annoy those of us who really do." Buddy, why don’t you do us all a favor and blow! BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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I think someone should find out where this guy’s chat room is. Then, all of ROFF could show up at once for a real time demonstration of rudeness. Would be kind of fun, but then again, probably a waste of time on this guy. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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Before commenting, know the facts.

There Trude. Now we know the facts and it’s our conclusion  that you’re an asshole. Good ridings. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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[tirade snipped] Is that you, TBone? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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oblivious to the fact that he was Talking To The Hand, and wasted everyone’s time by spewing forth with the following rant: It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service.

LOL! Consider for a moment that you were being set up by someone else that doesn’t like your act. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

Wanna bet the feeling is mutual, Mr. Troll? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

If flyfishing is truly an intelligent, refined sport, it’s pretty clear that you’d never make the first cut. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?

"Thoughts and ideas" like your POS post? Simple: we get off slamming d!ckbabies that troll through this group (<== that’s the RUDE part) especially when we have no clue why said d!ckbabies are here (<== that’s the IGNORANT part). And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

Wow! You used a FIVE SYLLABLE WORD! Go ask your mommy for that quarter the nice man gave her last night – she’ll be very proud! Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

LOL! You’re a piece o’ work, Mr. Troll. If anyone is going to look foolish tonight, it’s you. Sure hope you’re wearing your flame-proof underwear – you’re gonna need it… But thanks for the entertainment – and don’t let the door hit you in your ample ass on your way out… Oh yeah: recognize this sound? (PLONK!) That’s you – hitting the bottom of my kill file… [fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] /daytripper

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

And so you decide to tell us. Sounds vaguely like the five year old kid down the block from me who likes to yell "I HAVE A SECRET AND I’M NOT TELLING YOU!!!" at the top of his lungs, at least once a day. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

Ayep. Pass me one of them there ten-cent seegars and help y’all’s self to a Pabst. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

This is how we communicate. I’m sorry that you find it offensive that we don’t drink our scotch with pinkies in the air and address each other as "my good sir." I’m so sorry that I’m going to sit up until sunrise crying my eyes out at the fact that someone without a name thinks that I am rude and ignorant and unintelligent and unrefined. *sniff* *sniff* Does somebody have a bandanna? I mean, one that they AIN’T used on their nose since they last washed it? Trude wounded my delicate sensibilities. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBN2NdM5diUzdLFqlpAQEmTwf/QutX1TYmKNWJKzb1LQdqMQn8kY1xdVFh jEwd0vG6UNRIMmfHalOK5g3U9jlgRvoK1S4HwDOYqtXjLW3Fs4VD5ltw0Af1Dnh/ YyJ3cTPZXxX7iIxGTkEmpSM2c/FB+2YXannptxd613PkcMVPqA07yVkZM6TH3DJu LgBOG4b1VkVukTKTBqsq7dtts0+ruagVgs9+A1bByghoUKCEKcoDa0hHe43pgdet cVueV44tNGn1V8pQnLSH/5krolLy3ohMLpqpu8z0ynUiDcKTQSLADafkvrxolmL0 EfDRsDUoePp3hynjhBC3Rl7276kYfXJaaG34REsfF+fk2rqbUg8Akg== =r1Cq —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, B.S. | http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "Living with a dog is easy-like living with an idealist  is easy." -H.L. Mencken

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Day Tripper: (snip) <<[fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] Interesting.  Beware of sheep in wolves clothing applies as well Dave LaCourse

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Troll, troll, troll your post crassly through our ROFF. Since you ain’t worth a tinker’s damn Kindly fuck right off. Did this live up to your expectations?   I’m so glad. Peter

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Just another xample of what ole’ Trude was talkin’  ’bout. ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss???

Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard Dave..whacha want for the stud? oh yeah, almost forgot, trudy, watch that front door, it has a nasty tendency to hit asses on the way out. waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss??? Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions)  (Blah Blah Blah)

Then would that be DUDE-not-STUDE? BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

So, why this post, Mr. Trude? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

Yep, it sure-ass is, ain’t it.  Nothin I done like better than kickin ass on stream.  Are you a Redman guy too?  Great to chew when you’re fishing, but I hate it when it dribbles down my chin .Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?    

Well, hell, I don’t know.  Maybe they deserve it. Mark Faulkner, missin the invitation to Trude’s server, whatever the hell that means.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

Well Trude, just speaking for myself, you don’t rate much effort on my part. See ya and slack lines, Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Trude writes:

<<It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish. Trude, we have survived quite nicely here at roff for many years, fighting, arguing, crying, passing on information about our sport, and yessssss – making fools of ourselves. And, we have done it without your server, chat room, and "free" FTP service.  You come here one time, read a few posts and say we are not worthy of you.  How very shallow of you.  Quite frankly, I doubt *anyone* on this ng would want to associate with you – ’tain’t a question of you associating with us, Trude.  It ain’t a question of our worth to you; it is your worth to us, to ROFF.  I see you as a humorless, shallow little snot who is high on himself rather than flyfishing and life. Have a great life, man.  You are gonna die lonely. Dave LaCourse

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See ya and slack lines<

Yeah, keep your fly zipped.

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Have a great life, man.  You are gonna die lonely.<

And soon, I would guess.

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Oh, and yeah, I forgot something: "Embarrased" has TWO (2) esses.  Count them if you can:  EMBARRASSED.   And I betcha you are!!!!!   Dave LaCourse

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

Well, Mr. Trude Gosh, my level of disappointment has achived an all time high.  Please be sure to offer us your complete and verbose critique on the content herein.  After that, I’m certain that each and every participant would appreciate your candid assessment of all of the details of our personal lives as well.  Obviously, the sage advice of one who commands such a presence ought not be missed. On second thought, your quietly slipping back into your own little fantasy world (the one *far* away from here) will be sufficient. Bye, now, Mr. Trude. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

If you want rude try this. Barge into a place where your not known and, very first thing, insult everyone. That’s rude. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard

Dave..whacha want for the stud? oh yeah, almost forgot, trudy, watch that front door, it has a nasty tendency to hit asses on the way out. waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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apologies to the group…I couldn’t resist damnit…where’s my beer? waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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An anonymous insult from a cretin that can’t even spell embarrassed, yet sees fit to put it in the subject header. Talk about looking foolish. Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m looking for F/F classifieds. Used Rods, reels, etc. rgill

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I’m looking for F/F classifieds. Used Rods, reels, etc. rgill

http://flyfish.com/cgibin/bin/ldisplay.cgi?forsale http://flyfishing.com/classifieds/ads/sale.shtml http://www.flyshop.com/Classified/index.html http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/equipcat.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/exchangeboard/ http://cayman.ebay.com/aw/listings/endtoday/category384/index.html Good Luck! -Robert

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:   : Fishing Company and we have the Fly Tech waders in our online catalog at : I have been hearing good things about these waders and suspect that they I bought a pair of Fly-Techs 2 summers ago, looking for low-cost, light wieght pack waders. These were *junk*! The seam broke on the second use — the store took them back and said every one they sold ripped rightaway. They sent what they had left back, and will not stock FlyTech stuff again. I definitely wouldn’t buy these mail-order. But I’m just relating my experience; perhaps others have had better. Because of the boot-foot’s popularity in hunting, etc., you can get decent (though heavy) boot-foot waders at a reasonable price (my Red Balls are still going strong). But I’m still searching for some stocking-foot waders FRU (For the Rest of Us)… JonCook.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :   : Fishing Company and we have the Fly Tech waders in our online catalog at : I have been hearing good things about these waders and suspect that they I bought a pair of Fly-Techs 2 summers ago, looking for low-cost, light wieght pack waders. These were *junk*! The seam broke on the second use — the store took them back and said every one they sold ripped rightaway. They sent what they had left back, and will not stock FlyTech stuff again. I definitely wouldn’t buy these mail-order. But I’m just relating my experience; perhaps others have had better. Because of the boot-foot’s popularity in hunting, etc., you can get decent (though heavy) boot-foot waders at a reasonable price (my Red Balls are still going strong). But I’m still searching for some stocking-foot waders FRU (For the Rest of Us)… JonCook.Jammerlab

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Rich, In response to your inquiry about boot foot vs stocking foot waders I prefer the bootfoot waders since my waders pull double duty for waterfowl hunting. I am always concerned about losing a boot when encoutering the muck associated with waterfowling. I am a representative of Champion Fishing Company and we have the Fly Tech waders in our online catalog at http://championfishing.com I have been hearing good things about these waders and suspect that they will be a good seller for us. Both stocking foot and boot foot waders are offered in both 3.5 and 5 mm weights as well as wading boots for the stocking foot waders. If you are interested in the Champion Fishing Company business opportunity check out my website at http://members.aol.com/blind10691/index.htm or e mail me for more info and a copy of our 200 page print catalog. Happy Fishing, Brett Lindsey

Brett,      I just pulled up "http://championfishing.com" and I was at the "Kerrville Telephone Company’s I-NET service" web page.  You may want to have someone look into this. However:    http://www.championfishing.com seems to work fine. Brian

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Hi Rich, In response to your inquiry about boot foot vs stocking foot waders I prefer the bootfoot waders since my waders pull double duty for waterfowl hunting. I am always concerned about losing a boot when encoutering the muck associated with waterfowling. I am a representative of Champion Fishing Company and we have the Fly Tech waders in our online catalog at http://championfishing.com I have been hearing good things about these waders and suspect that they will be a good seller for us. Both stocking foot and boot foot waders are offered in both 3.5 and 5 mm weights as well as wading boots for the stocking foot waders. If you are interested in the Champion Fishing Company business opportunity check out my website at http://members.aol.com/blind10691/index.htm or e mail me for more info and a copy of our 200 page print catalog. Happy Fishing, Brett Lindsey

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I fish exclusively in southern chile. I used to fish with boots. not anymore. shoes are far more pleasant to use than boots. I use Hodgman shoes and like them. That is my experience. Others may disagree. Mario http://www.inteligente.cl/Clientes/Sur_de_Chile/sur.html

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Fished in bootfoot wader for years and its time for a new pair.   Before I make the plunge for new ones would like to hear some of your opinions on which kind to buy (boot or stocking) as I can only afford one pair.  Also any comments on brands, types and/or styles would be appreciated. Thanks Rich

Hi Rich, Boot foot waders are very fast and easy to put on and are warmer in extreme cold. Great for certain situations. Stocking foot with lace up boots give you better foot protection and stability for hiking on streams. In our store in California we sell  99% stocking foot waders. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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How about durability ? I have owned a pair of Orvis stockingfoot for 5 years, I have used them a lot, and as a result there is still some neoprene between the patches and the aquaseal, I believe. Anyway, I have notices that even though I use gravel cuffs, I tend to get leaks in the foot area, because of friction between the boot and the wader (it is unavoidable, the shoe is flexible, thus there is friction). I am wondering if bootfoot waders are better from the viewpoint of leaks, or if they develop leaks at the joint between the wader and the boot. -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fished in bootfoot wader for years and its time for a new pair. Before I make the plunge for new ones would like to hear some of your opinions on which kind to buy (boot or stocking) as I can only afford one pair.  Also any comments on brands, types and/or styles would be appreciated. Thanks Rich Hi Rich, Boot foot waders are very fast and easy to put on and are warmer in extreme cold. Great for certain situations. Stocking foot with lace up boots give you better foot protection and stability for hiking on streams. In our store in California we sell  99% stocking foot waders. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Fished in bootfoot wader for years and its time for a new pair.   Before I make the plunge for new ones would like to hear some of your opinions on which kind to buy (boot or stocking) as I can only afford one pair.  Also any comments on brands, types and/or styles would be appreciated. Thanks Rich

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Fished in bootfoot wader for years and its time for a new pair. Before I make the plunge for new ones would like to hear some of your opinions on which kind to buy (boot or stocking) as I can only afford one pair.  Also any comments on brands, types and/or styles would be appreciated. Thanks Rich

i think that it depends on what time of year you do most of your fishing and how much walking you do in them.  i would never be without my bootfoots for winter fishing (they keep your feet so much toastier, and are so easy to get in and out of)  since you already own a pair you know the one major drawback is that they are a pain to dry out, from taking a cold water dunking or sweat.  in warmer weather i wear stocking foots, but am thinking of getting some bootfoots, because they are so much easier to get in and out of.  one other thing, if you have bad or weak ankles, bootfoots may not provide you with enough ankle support.  i would recommend quiet sport or bare waders.  both have great reputations.

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Best advise don’t buy rotten/cheap wading shoes….get the Borger shoe company that makes them ….sorry no address in WI somewhere…Millwaukee? Anyway once in awhile they have seconds which are of the high end boots like Simms, Streamline as they won’t wear any better or worse than any of the others. use a pair of nlyon Hodgeman’s about $40…..again 3 years old just died due to barb wire…….Cabela’s neoprenes are $90 aren’t bad……Mike — Enter the WWW fly tying contest by visiting my web site:http://www.commonlink.com/~Midwestflytying

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Fished in bootfoot wader for years and its time for a new pair. Before I make the plunge for new ones would like to hear some of your opinions on which kind to buy (boot or stocking) as I can only afford one pair.  Also any comments on brands, types and/or styles would be appreciated. Thanks Rich

I find that stockingfoot/boot combo feels more secure and gives me better ability to cope with uneven river bottoms in the current. However, I keep my first pair of bootfoots around for use in the salt, so I don’t have to worry about corrosion of grommets, etc. on the boots. By the way, I got a pair of Danners, which are kind of pricey, but certainly not as much as a good pair of hiking boots. If you like to get into strong current from time to time, I would highly recommend trying a pair on. The Danners feel like good athletic shoes compared to some of the stiffer wading boots. I have seen an ad for a wading shoe by Bare that looks very similar in construction to the Danner, and may have the same benefits. Fish on, Allen

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I find myself going on a cruise this January with stops at Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Tortola, Ponce, and St. Croix. If anyone knows of any flats fishing that can be done on any of these islands, I’d love to hear about it. The more details the better, to decide if I should take my fly rod. thanks, Bob Vorel

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If the cruise ship stops on the north coast of jamaica, I am happy to report there are tarpon in Montego bay and very nice looking flats intermittenly between there and Negril to the West and Ocho Rios to the west. You can "hire" a glass bottom boat which might serve as a casting platform, but the local captain will have no idea what you’re doing or what you want. The flats are reachable right from the coast road which runs mostly next to the sea. Saw BIG fins of either tarpon or cuda  nearer to Ocho Rios, where I just happended to stop and wade out a bit. I posted for information a couple of times to the news group before I went and got practically no responses. This is VIRGIN territory. By the way DO try the Pork Pit in Montego bay for jerk!!!. Its genuine and fantastic (and very clean). let me know how you do, Clair

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Summary: Followup-To: Distribution: pwn Organization: Oregon Grad. Inst. Computer Science and Eng., Beaverton Keywords: Could someone please give me an idea of what Alec Jackson spey hooks cost by the 100 count, say for #3’s or #1.5’s.  A chap who taught a fly tying class I recently attended claimed that he could get them at a discount (about 20% less) and I need a reference price to confirm this is a reasonable claim.  Unfortunately, the catalogs only list prices for 25 count packages.  Also, I noticed that these hooks are sold in size #5’s – can someone tell me how this hook sizing relates to Tiemco (conventional) hook sizes – I have a hard time believing the sizing is the same since AJ #1.5’s are just about as large as a Partridge 3/0 hook.  Finally, if this discount proves reasonable then I’d be up for splitting a box two ways so let me know if you are interested; geesh, 100 hooks per size is more than i’d probably use in 5 years or more (knock on wood). Cheers, Roger — Roger S. Barga Oregon Graduate Institute of Science & Technology Portland, OR 97291-1000  USA

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Roger,     TMC 7999 #2 is just a tad larger than AJ #5.  If you want best price in quantity call Jackson direct…no, I don’t have #, look at ads in mags.  Might also try The Valley FlyFisher in Salem, Keith Burkhart is a friend of Alecs and usually has the best selectin available locally.                                 Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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