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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right???  ;-)  Impressive. On a more serious note, are the Simms Guide weights worth the money?  I’ve been using a pair of Reddingtons and a pair of (yeah, I know, gasp!) Orvis green mountain breathables for the past couple of years (both are essentially the same but the Reddingtons seem to be put together a little better).  Both have held up to a lot of hard fishing but they are both dying at the same time (I actually alternate use on a trip by trip basis).  How resistant are they to brambles and the occasional pricker bush?  My 2 pair are covered with shiny gobs of Sun Seal goo.  Actually that’s my only complaint considering they only cost $99 apiece. —

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| | cabelas | | OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. | | | Elitist. | | Here’s what really pisses me off. | | This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not | complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. | The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I | guess. | | So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so | I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new | pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. | | I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally | redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — | built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh! |

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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right???  ;-)  Impressive.

Yep. They’re waiting for me to make my move.

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What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

steve, when you see, touch, and wear a pair, my bet is you will. the new simms G3 waders are worth every penny ….. all 42,250 of em…. every dang cent. any one who is foolish enough to argue with that statement, well, he’s a fool and has blue balls to boot. the best wader on the planet, by far, hands down, is just a few weeks away… i pity the poor bastards wearing cab…., hodg…., orv…, redd……. and such…. whilst i’m fresh and warm as a muffin fresh out of the toaster, yer freezin yer jewels off… poor bastards. get real, get smart, buy simms. i ain’t cuttin’ no slack on this issue nor am i trying to drum up business…. experience. any one who believes otherwise, is daft, a communist, and can’t fish worth a fiddlers fuk, imho. Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^) –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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<snipped ezflyfish spam <G Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^)

Oh, SURE. Throw THAT in at the end! — TL, Tim Same to you, BTW.

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  steve, when you see, touch, and wear a pair, my bet is you will. the new simms G3 waders are worth every penny ….. all 42,250 of em…. every dang cent. any one who is foolish enough to argue with that statement, well, he’s a fool and has blue balls to boot.

No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

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Isn’t this reason enough to stay w/ the 101? Unless you want the newst-baddest toys, that is. In spite of all the bells & whistles on the newer models, my SRT’s are still giving me fine photos. And "upgrading" a collection of lenses from 24mm – 1250mm just to stay current w/ the newer bodies would cost a small fortune. And I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t be actually shooting any better.

I have to say I’m shooting much better now.  It’s so much nicer to be able to: 1)   change ASA without losing film, 2)  Check a picture and see if it needs to be reshot. 3)  set the white balance without needing extra filters. 4)  Have an auto exposure that works right 99% of the time. 5)  Have a motor drive. 6)  Not have to wait for a processing lab. 7)  Have a 28-200 zoom that’s beautiful throughout it’s range. Though there are adapters for the old lenses, they don’t provide the new features to those lenses. The only disadvantage is that slides are tough and expensive to make. Chas

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No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

i’m also wadered up steve…. *but*, a man has to field test new product, donchaknow. i’ve only worn a sample in the store as of now. it was very comfortable and i liked the way simms designed the legs…. they seem to be "fitted". in all honesty, the guide pant model will probably still be my wader of choice. the chicks dig ‘em. stay warm, –walt…… ps, you forgot to mention the built in Flip-out Tippet Tender Pocket, including a built-in retractor <g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people presents for Christmas ! You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me.  I understood you and was half-joking.  I agree with you re  Christmas presents & I get completely turned off every time  I wander out to a store at this time of the year.  At the same  time, I know that I have more than I need of various things.  When I really think about it, I don’t see much difference  between buying something that is "useless" as opposed to  buying something that I might actually use but I could easily  do without because I already own enough to do the same  thing without yet another one.

When you send your only pair of waders back to Simms for repair in the middle of the fishing season, expecting them to return in no less than several weeks, you NEED another pair. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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 I have a portfolio of excuses along similar lines  (well, if the backup to the backup breaks, I need  another one to cover it…), tho I have to admit  that yours sounds a bit more compellling  :-)

There are only so many things to do in Stanley when you aren’t gainfully employed, Greg. During fishing season, it’s fishing. During hunting season, it’s hunting. During skiing season, it’s skiing. Of course, there’s also drinking and carousing, but that takes place mostly in the evenings. I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary.

have you used the studs yet steve? if so, how do they grip? i’ve resisted installing the studs until PA, where they will be needed on those dastardly rocks. what i like about them is, well, they live up to their name… lightweight. wally, never met a unnecessary ff item <g

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I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary. have you used the studs yet steve? if so, how do they grip?

Yes, I have. And yes, they do, but not as well as carbide studs. I removed them at the HF Clave so I wouldn’t mess up John Hightower’s beautiful self-made wooden drift boat. I’m hoping I can find them again. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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– I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on which is better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have been to my local camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price range? Keith

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames. Personally I’ve been a Nikon guy for the last 20 years.  I upgraded from an FM to a N90s a few years ago.  Nikon recently end-of-life’d the N90 line but I’d recommend it over the N80.  The construction is metal vs plastic in the N80 and it has a few more bells and whistles (i.e. higher flash sync speeds).  But the N80 is still a great camera at the high end of the non-pro ranks.  Since it is not produced any longer you may be able to find one that has been marked down.  Nikon is still servicing them and the warrantee is pretty good. Check out www.bhphotvideo.com  - great mail order place with a great reputation.  I buy most of my stuff from them.  If you live in the area or find yourself in NYC check out their store on 9th and 34th.  It’s huge and stocked with helpful sales people (FYI – they close Friday at 1 PM and reopen on Sunday). —

| | | — | | I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on | which is | better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo | 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup | for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have | been to my local | camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. | Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price | range? | | Keith | | |

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Sorry, fingers slipped – the group is rec.photo.equipment.35mm —

| | | — | | I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on | which is | better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo | 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup | for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have | been to my local | camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. | Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price | range? | | Keith | | |

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames.

What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway?

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames. What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway?

cabelas no no 4 yes and no see above definitely camaraderie backatcha, big fella — TL, Tim

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What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway? cabelas

OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. no

Wrong. I do. So do quite a number of others. no

OK 4

5 yes and no

yes see above

see above definitely

Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay? camaraderie

OK

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— I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on which is better?

"Better" is perhaps in beholder’s eye. Both brands are of high repute; perhaps using criteria based on the sorts of potography you’ll do most would aid in selecting. Any quality 35mm SLR will give many years of service if treated well. (Happens I have 2 Minoltas which are 20+ years & going strong.) I don’t think you’d be disappointed in either the Nikon or the Canon. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.  

…snip… I’d consider what you’ll want when you go digital.  The lenses are interchangable on Nikon from their old stuff to the newest. I just bought a Nikon D100 digital, and I’m delighted with it.  My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine.   Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

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 My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

Isn’t this reason enough to stay w/ the 101? Unless you want the newst-baddest toys, that is. In spite of all the bells & whistles on the newer models, my SRT’s are still giving me fine photos. And "upgrading" a collection of lenses from 24mm – 1250mm just to stay current w/ the newer bodies would cost a small fortune. And I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t be actually shooting any better. Pete — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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  My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas,

An afterthought: there are adapters for some of the Rokkor lenses to allow them to be used on some Maxxum bodies. Pete — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know.

Elitist. definitely Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay?

hearsay, absolutely camaraderie OK

YEA! I got one right! — TL, Tim and just in case,  :)  :)  and especially, ;-^)

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. Elitist.

Here’s what really pisses me off. This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I guess. So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh!

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I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer!

Arrrrggghhh! If it will help, you can send a pair or two to me. Just trying to be helpful. . . — TL, Tim

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 And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people  presents for Christmas !

You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me. What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

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Today it is windy and rainy (way more than usual) and all the boats are at the docks.  40 kt winds at Diamond Shoals.  The past four days have seen albie fishing of the best kind.  The cold weather and northerly winds brought the fish in like they are supposed to be. Most people are able to find some fish to cast to about all day long. And in the morning the fish have been feasting on everything and anything that people can throw at them.  Little flies, big flies, doesn’t much matter.  They will eat it.  In the afternoon they get a little bit pickier and a little more spread out but the morning action has been quite memorable.  The fish are coming up shoulder to shoulder and I would think that if you dragged your toes in the water you might get nipped.  Now those are aggressive fish!!  Sorry to those folks who came down before this.  The warm weather delayed the arrival.  Should be good for a while now.  If you can get down here, now would be a good time. Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com

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Gordon, will the Albies stay in close all winter or will they head further South? So how about booking 4 fly fishermen on 2 half day trips.  All 4 ride out to the Cape via ferry, they fish until you get there around 9ish (since Christine might be keeping you up late).  Two jump on board with you and go joy riding.  The other two continue to fish.  Around 12:30 you return and swap out sports with the two ashore and off you go.  Around 4 – 4:30 you return, pick up the first two and take all 4 back to ferry central.  This is starting to sound like a PLAN!  All 4 get both Cape Lookout shore fishing at the "Hook" and Albie chasing with you! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today it is windy and rainy (way more than usual) and all the boats are at the docks.  40 kt winds at Diamond Shoals.  The past four days have seen albie fishing of the best kind.  The cold weather and northerly winds brought the fish in like they are supposed to be. Most people are able to find some fish to cast to about all day long. And in the morning the fish have been feasting on everything and anything that people can throw at them.  Little flies, big flies, doesn’t much matter.  They will eat it.  In the afternoon they get a little bit pickier and a little more spread out but the morning action has been quite memorable.  The fish are coming up shoulder to shoulder and I would think that if you dragged your toes in the water you might get nipped.  Now those are aggressive fish!!  Sorry to those folks who came down before this.  The warm weather delayed the arrival.  Should be good for a while now.  If you can get down here, now would be a good time. Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com

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I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

Dang it!  I meant YOUR! Wayne, please remember its the message which counts, not the spelling. How many fingers am I holding up ole buddy? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

_   Three! — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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Not to be rude or impudent, but I’ve noticed that you’ve both initiated and responded to numerous threads that either bear or should bear the POL opener in the subject header. Josh Haag "If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem" -Unknown (only because it’s too late for research, and I don’t own Bartlett’s Quotations) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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Not to be rude or impudent, but I’ve noticed that you’ve both initiated and responded to numerous threads that either bear or should bear the POL opener in the subject header. Josh Haag

______  You’re correct Josh. Thing is, this place is full of the political stuff I’ve tried  hard to avoid.  Well, I’ll listen to you for a change because you are not rude nor impudent for speaking the truth. Nothing more annoying than a Demoncrat fly fisherman. whoops!   Seriously, I’m interested only in fly fishing matters and subject akin to that.  Lets face it Josh.  Darwin was not a fly fisherman. woos! http://www.gink.com George Imus Gehrke  (and yes, the ‘n’ is intentional) whoops!

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"If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem" -Unknown (only because it’s too late for research, and I don’t own Bartlett’s Quotations)

"You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem". Eldridge Cleaver, San Francisco, 1968 — Charlie…

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Soul on Margin… eh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem". Eldridge Cleaver, San Francisco, 1968 — Charlie…

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Soul on Margin… eh?

Well, he did die a Republican… — Charlie…

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Yep… MOI to the end…. from Minister Of Information to Manager Of Investments I think many of us can relate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Soul on Margin… eh? Well, he did die a Republican… — Charlie…

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If wishes were beggars . . .

Horses could ride?? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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If wishes were beggars . . . Horses could ride??

Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it?

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Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it?

*The*? — Charlie…

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Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it? *The*?

Whoops! Sorry, obviously should have said "one of the countless". /daytripper (My bad!)

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i am plannig to buy a fly rod (Vision extreme of Loop green line) and here`s a few questions: What is the difference between fast and medium fast rod in fishing? i am fishing in the river where is not much room, which one is better? Which line is better for 5-6 rod, 5 or 6 and what`s the difference? (sorry for bad english:))

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i am plannig to buy a fly rod (Vision extreme of Loop green line) and here`s a few questions: What is the difference between fast and medium fast rod in fishing? i am fishing in the river where is not much room, which one is better? Which line is better for 5-6 rod, 5 or 6 and what`s the difference? (sorry for bad english:))

Read the thread entitled "Fly rod speeds explanation" on June 24. Also, for casting distances of less than 40′ the 6wt line may load the rod better, while for over that distance, the 5 wt. line may load better.  But if you can, try out both lines before you buy.  Perhaps a friend has some lines he can let you cast on your rod, as a test. I am not familiar with the rod you mention.  The medium fast rod may be more forgiving (easier to cast if you are not a very experienced caster). PatK * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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The softer (slower) the rod, the easier it is to cast. The stiffer (faster) the rod, the farther you can cast. The same is true for length, the longer the farther. However other factors come into play when choosing your first rod. physical conditions (trees, underbrush etc.) varietys of fish pursued, last but not least water fished. A nine foot 5wt rod is a usless tool on a 20′ wide heavily treed creek, fishing for panfish. Whereas the same rod is ideal wading a wide clear river casting for 2-3lb rainbows. In other words like in all other endevors choose the proper tool for the job. John Popp

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i am plannig to buy a fly rod (Vision extreme of Loop green line) and here`s a few questions: What is the difference between fast and medium fast rod in fishing? i am fishing in the river where is not much room, which one is better? Which line is better for 5-6 rod, 5 or 6 and what`s the difference? (sorry for bad english:)) I

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NEED HELP WITH POWERED PARACHUTES January 22,1997 Hi Folks,         My wife and I need all the help we can get–ideas?-advise-tips, etc. We are planning an environmental expedition into some uncharted jungles of Central America.  After four expeditions over the last nine years of trying to reach this particular area on foot we are seriously considering the use of back pack powered parachutes.         First, perhaps a little of our background would be helpful.  We are forty and fiftyish and in reasonable shape. We are both professionals-my wife is an Arthur and amateur photographer and one the best bushpersons I have ever met. She grew up on a farm where her father taught her hunting, fishing, and trapping. I am not big into guns but I’ve seen her shoot a six inch pattern at thirty yards (with a 44 magnum revolver!)  I have degrees in education, English, and Industrial Technology.  I am a licensed pilot (SEL) and have flown a paraplane trike. Spelunking is a hobby and I worked as a commercial diver a few years back(definitely a youngmans job).  I’ve worked in Mexico, the Caribbean, and we lived full time in Central America for a couple of years recently. (Stayed as long as the money and the luck held out).  We are back here in the States, in suburbia, working our tails off try to save or raise the money to get back South of the border and back to our work.  We have a non-profit tax exempt scientific and educational corporation and our Federal   tax exempt status for those that donate to the cause(we can furnish the 501 forms for tax purposes). Staying as independent as possible we have financed most of our expeditions out of our own pockets. So, who are we and what do we do?  Even though the term is about a hundred years out of date, perhaps the US Ambassador was the closest when he introduced at a banquet as Explorers.  Believe it or not there are still a few places left on this Earth that are still uncharted and unexplored.           Now a little about our work.  The area that we have tried (unsuccessfully) to reach overland has only been mapped from the air and some of those photographs were taken by Charles Lindberg in the thirties! So the Topo maps that do exist are notoriously wrong.  While cutting our way into this area we have in the past taken GPS readings, and collected samples of unusual plant life. (There is one vine that when boiled tastes just like coffee and another that if beaten into a pulp and put into relatively still waters will stun the fish enough to bring them to the surface and then when you gotten what you need you pull the vine out and stir the waters and the other fish revive).  Any archaeological ruins that we come across we get coordinates (GPS) sometimes do preliminary surveys and report to the authorities when we come out.  We don’t dig or loot.  Our next expedition is planned for the dry season in 1998 (February through April).  We will establish a base camp accessible by road and fly out of it.  We are currently working on a drag net that can be deployed and opened in the air and then retrieved while still in the air.  We will use this for the collection of insects above the canopy and up the river and stream valleys where we can.  If the back pack powered chutes work as I hope they will we should be able to land and take off from sand bars, clearings etc.  I’ve flown the valleys in a Cessna and am well aware of the variable winds, especially ridge drafts.  After almost being inverted twice I got back to altitude (prayerfully at that).  However, mornings and evenings are often calm-so if you don’t get stupid you might get away with it.         Now for the real reason for this E-mail.  Many questions??  We are considering building our first unit to train on here in the States as we don’t have the finances for a new or used unit at this time.  Has anyone had any experience with a company called "Easy Up".  They offer plans and recommend sources for new and used equipment.  I have also heard that there were tandem units on the market.  Not that we would fly tandem, but it would add a great measure of safety if a parachute, engine, or pilot were disabled.  What about climbing radius after take off (I’m sure it varies with thrust and chute design). My weight should be at about two hundred and my wives about a hundred and thirty.         What about Corporate sponsorship.  Any ideas on fundraising? There will obviously be a video produced.  Anyone know of anyone that has a unit stored that they would like to take a tax write-off on (or am I dreaming). Or a Patron or person of means who would fund the project-They might get a new bug or plant species named after them-Yeah, I know doesn’t seem like much incentive does it.  We will consider taking a few folks with us, but at this point it would have to be on a voluntary basis with them picking up their own expenses.  Experience and attitude would also be a very important considerations.   Well, thanks for taking the time to read this.  If you can’t help please pass it along to someone who may have suggestions or ideas. Thanks, John

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Trevor, YOu could always try the news group rec.aviation.powerchutes. R. Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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I suggest you to read Big Air ’s Accident Reports. There are a few Paramotor accident reports which can be benefitial to you. Regards, Kinsley Wong Big Air Paragliding http://www.web-partners.com/paragliding

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Hi Klaus, here is an other german paramotor pilot. Name here is Oscar and I am located near the city of Ulm. I fly a Fresh Breeze paramotor with Paratech wing…. Any other paramotor pilots from Germany here ??? Best regards, Oscar

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if you come to scotland try phil.

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if you come to scotland try phil.

I like that "Coudbusters" !

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Here’s another: http://www.poweredparaglider.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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zum Thema "Re: paramotor": anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I flied more than one hundred times powered PG.  When you tried to fly by Powered PG, you should never use high performance PG because it is difficult to take off.  Additionally, the high performance PG is easy to collapse, sometimes recovery of collapsed PG is difficult in the case of powered PG.

I want to use my old parachute for flying with paramotor. I gave it back   to the company for changing to stronger ropes. For normal fly I want to buy a new modern high performance PG. I think that your have much experience in PG.  If not, you should learn how to control PG by PG flyer.  Powered PG is very intresting, but it is danger to fly without basic experience and knowledge about PG.  In Japan, there is one fatal accident in powered PG.  He was a ultralight flyer. Anyway, best way to safety flying is to learn how to control PG by PG (or Powered PG) flyer.

I spent lots of hours flying conventional PG, some hours Ultralight and in   past lots of hours soaring. But it is always a new experience to start flying in spring mfg KMW —   ,–.__,-.__,—-.__,-.__,–.  // Klaus Michael Weinreich

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Try this: http://hometown.aol.com/skybrake/brakeindex.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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good innit? he’s a very clever man.

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anyone here who is paragliding with paramotor ? I have bought one, second hand, but I still have no experience at all with   flying this funny thing, although I have licence for Ultralight etc. mfg KMW

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Try     rec.aviation.powerchutes R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – G’day I am looking for information on paramotoring. I can find plenty on paragliding but less or even nil on the powered para. Any info on clubs, competition or buying/selling would be appreciated especially in but not restricted to Australia . I travel to the USA and British Isles regularly with work too so any info from these countries would be welcome cheers Trev Mac —

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See "Presentation" by Borger, or LaFontaine’s "Caddis" book.  Overpower a sidearm cast, just like skipping a stone on the water. It might work, but when I try it I always feel like a pompous ass. Oh-oh.  POLITICAL CORRECTION: for the illiterate out there, I mean that to be a four-legged animal, not somebody’s butt. BB

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Thanks everyone for oyur help! I will let you know how I go… PS Got my second trout on fly yesterday…. Put up a terrific fight for the size.  I got three big runs from this fish with line stipping of at a rate of knots… I thought it was a monster but it turned out to be about 1.5 lb. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

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(and so did charlie choc) The author is Leonard M. Wright jr, "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect," Dutton, 1972.

If, as charlie suggests, it is out of print, try the public libraries. Its a neat old book with some unorthodox solutions to some still relevant problems. The patterns he suggests and the materials he uses are not as water repellant nor as buoyant as the elk hair caddis, however, so you might want to use Wright’s technique, but stick with the EHC. brent

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Mike Here’s another method that’s worked for me.  Use a long rod, very long leader 12′ with a very light tippet and stand almost directly upstream of the fish.   As the fly approaches the end of the drag free drift, lift the rod tip up and get all of the line and leader out of the water.  The fly just lightly dances on top of the water.  I’ve had a ‘bow jump 6" out of the water to take a fly danced this way. It works best if the wind and stream currents are going the same way, but it is difficult to get right if they are in opposite directions. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Brent The author is Leonard M. Wright jr, "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect," Dutton, 1972. Dave Snedeker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (some good advice on technique and a probable origin for the technique) Mike: If you are looking to dig even deeper, check out "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect" by (an author I know, but whose name escapes me this early on a sunday – damn that aluminum cookware!). He describes how to tie and fish the ‘fluttering caddis’, but using hackle barbules and mink hair rather than elk hair. In any case, as Walt points out, the fish love the fly and the technique. good luck brent

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

maybe try looking at some of Lefty’s writings – also try FFM website, www.flyshop.com.  http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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(some good advice on technique and a probable origin for the technique) Mike: If you are looking to dig even deeper, check out "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect" by (an author I know, but whose name escapes me this early on a sunday – damn that aluminum cookware!). He describes how to tie and fish the ‘fluttering caddis’, but using hackle barbules and mink hair rather than elk hair. In any case, as Walt points out, the fish love the fly and the technique. good luck brent

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it…

I skip a caddis after the initial drift is completed.  Landlocked salmon love it when the fly reaches the end of the drift and swings around to be straight down stream.  A retrieve back with sudden jerks of the rod will also encourage hits. However, this only works for a certain kind of caddis, usually in June in Maine.  The same trick applied in September does not produce the same results. Dave LaCourse

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it…

There is no "right" way to do this. Experimentation is always worthwhile. I get 80%+ of my fish on a drag free drift, even on caddis. Fish feeding on Duns or emergers can be put down if there is any drag or motion to your fly, especially on heavily fished areas. I generally fish an area first using a drag free approach and then try some twitching or induced drag. Generally, just a twitch which moves the fly ever so slightly is what’s needed. However, in riffles and runs, more pronounced skips and hops followed by drag free drifts can be productive. A technique that sometimes brings up reluctant surface feeders in pocket water is a down stream technique. Wade upstream and to the side of one of the mini pools in a pocket stretch, until you are ten to fifteen feet away. In pocket water, fish are not easily spooked and a close approach is generally possible. Make a short cast to the side of the pocket you’re going to fish, raise your rod tip so that all the line and leader is off the water and hop a heavily dressed dry in and around the mini pool. With this technique, you can generally use a fly one or two sizes larger than what you would use on flatter water and a heavier tippets is also helpful. Strikes are violent. Fish will often will swipe at the fly but will hit it if your next cast is a drag free one. This is a good midsummer technique.  Especially in midsummer, these stretches of pocket water hold lots of fish including some good ones. Willi

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

 Mike, By twitching your rod real fast you send vibrations out your flyline/leader/tippet to the caddis. This causes the fly to "dance" on the water and it is a rare trout that can resist this flamenco. Here in the mountains of NC, there is a deceased flyfishing legend by the name of Mark Cathey. He "developed" this style back in the 20’s & 30’s on Hazel Creek and he always managed to fill his creel with the limit. Good luck with your dancing lessons, Walt —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS/HOME.HTM

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will be in outer banks for the thanksgiving holidays.. would like to find small  blues etc.. any recommendations would help.. also is there the possibility of  a trout stream near that area.. Kevin

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will be in outer banks for the thanksgiving holidays.. would like to find small blues etc.. any recommendations would help.. also is there the possibility of a trout stream near that area.. Kevin

At Thanksgiving there should be some small blues about but what about the big boiyz!  they are going to be there at that time.  AS wellas striped bass and red drum.  There will be plenty of trout, speckled sea trout, at the lighthouse for a person fishing a clouser minnow with a sinking line. No streams within 8 hour drive, sorry.  Check my website for NC flyfishing stuff. — Flyfish NC                                                   Gordon Churchill                                        http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3853                                                                     Dragon’s Hope Publishing Heidi Dragon Churchill                                               Business cards, ad design, forms and all manner of desktop publishing.      

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Limited to 12 students, we’ll have six guides, you’ll work with three. Covering everything from equipment (both spin and fly) to fly tying, reading water, proper presentation etc. Evening seminars after fishing, all equipment, meals, deluxe accommodations right on the river’s edge. $350./person Nov. 18, 19, and 20 E-mail for specifics — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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We’re putting together a Steelhead school to be held November 18-20 here on the Salmon River in Pulaski, NY Price includes upscale lodging, all meals, guides, equipment and related materials. Limited to 12 students. Will cover all aspects of steelhead fishing using both fly and spin tackle techniques. e-mail for details. Bill Fling Reg. ME Master Guide Lic. NYS Guide — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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Mid/late July on the Green should be fairly good hopper fishing.  If you want to pay a guide to float with you, you had better make reservations soon.  You can fish a lot of the Green on foot, which is my preference.  That’s not to say that a good guide isn’t nice if you have the 250-300$ for the day (per boat, two persons plus guide). The Provo is a so-called "blue ribbon" fishery for big browns, but it gets a LOT of pressure and, in my experience, requires nymphing unless you get there during a hatch.  That may not be true much of the time; maybe I had bad luck or bad technique. If the snow melt run off has settled down, fishing the local canyon streams (Big Cottonwood esp) will yield some small trout which are fun to catch and release. Contact me if I can be of further assistance.  I now live in the Black Hills of South Dakota, but still miss Salt Lake. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have to following suggestions: Call the Spinner Fall flyshop at  801-583-2602.  They’ll have all the latest info. For the Green River you could try calling Mark Redle at 801-885-3334. He’s a young guy but he really got me into big fish on the Provo.  I hope to float the Green with him this summer.  (Tell him John Close referred you.) If you want to take a trip into the high country call me.  (I don’t guide but I’m always looking for a fishing partner.)  I’m in the Salt Lake City phone book under John and Rox Anne Close. There are two other fly shops in SLC, Western Rivers and Anglers Inn.  If Spinner Fall can’t help you they can. Disclaimer:  Mark is a good friend of mine.  I have no connection to Spinner Fall except that I hide out there when I’m tired of yard work.  :-{)

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I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have to following suggestions: Call the Spinner Fall flyshop at  801-583-2602.  They’ll have all the latest info. For the Green River you could try calling Mark Redle at 801-885-3334. He’s a young guy but he really got me into big fish on the Provo.  I hope to float the Green with him this summer.  (Tell him John Close referred you.) If you want to take a trip into the high country call me.  (I don’t guide but I’m always looking for a fishing partner.)  I’m in the Salt Lake City phone book under John and Rox Anne Close. There are two other fly shops in SLC, Western Rivers and Anglers Inn.  If Spinner Fall can’t help you they can. Disclaimer:  Mark is a good friend of mine.  I have no connection to Spinner Fall except that I hide out there when I’m tired of yard work.  :-{)

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I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

In mid July the water level will be back down (running 4500 cfs now). The fishing will be good but you will have lots of company because that is the week of a Utah state holiday (July 24th).  But then you will have plenty of company any week on the Green.  It will be a good time for terrestrials and maybe some PMD’s. There is a trail which runs down one side of the river for the full seven or so miles between Flaming Gorge and Little Hole.  You can wade fish from anywhere along that trail. There are a lot of guides that work the river.  You might call Anglers Inn, Western Rivers Flyfisher, or Spinner Fall Fly Shop, all in Salt Lake also want to check in at "Fry’s Utah Flyfishing Page". Good Times! P. Bowers

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writes: Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  

I think most people consider the downstream mend as a tension technique, but it doesn’t have to be.  One of the reasons to make a downstream mend to help your drift is to throw an elbow into the line which will make it easier to shake out extra line for a downstream drift without moving the fly. You can use the elbow for the extra surface tension to pull against to feed line as long as you don’t pull too hard against it.  Sort of like this:                                                                                                                                                            / Also, sometimes you need to make a downstream mend because the water closer to you has slowed down in relation to the fly and if you don’t mend it will cause tension and thus drag.  One of the things to keep in mind when you’re having a tough time with a drift is that if mending in one direction doesn’t work, try mending it the other.  And remember it may not always be in your best interest to mend the entire line but rather only specific sections of it.                                 Hope this helps,                                        Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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The  down and across drift applys to wet fly and streamer fishing. You want to apply a swimming motion to the fly and present it at a sideway profile to the fish. When you use this method strip the fly back to you at the end of the drift and it looks like a bait fish swimming upstream.  The method you describe about casting upstream and mending line is a nymphing method. Totally different. This is called a Lisenering lift. Where you cast upstream, lifting the rod tip as the fly approaches you to remove the slack and then lowering the rod tip as the fly passes your position. All the while keeping your rod tip in position with the fly through out the drift. Some of the newer guys like to call this high stick nymphing. Call it what you like it is a effective way to nymph. I could go into more detail, but I think you get the picture.                                          Mark Heskett

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Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  If you do the down stream thing you have to wobble the rod to get more line out or mend a lot of line downstream putting you at a greater distance from your fly yet this seems to be a common way to fish everything from open streams to pocketwater. Am I missing something?

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Down and across is an extremely effective method of presenting a dry or emerger to selective fish in flat water….the ONLY successful method in many Spring Creek situations…                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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: Down and across is an extremely effective method of presenting a dry or : emerger to selective fish in flat water….the ONLY successful method : in many Spring Creek situations… Besides this good advice, why not try and cover the entire "clock" from each position?  Up and across, followed by down and across, both sides, then move down or upstream. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  If you do the down stream thing you have to wobble the rod to get more line out or mend a lot of line downstream putting you at a greater distance from your fly yet this seems to be a common way to fish everything from open streams to pocketwater. Am I missing something?

Hi, Contrary to popular belief, a drag-free drift is not always the most effective presentation. Fishing for steelhead, salmon, shad, stripers, (and yes, even trout), it is often more effective to fish the fly with movement against the current. Of course, one can fish down-and-across, drag-free, which offers the great advantage of showing the fly before the leader. I hope this helps,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  If you do the down stream thing you have to wobble the rod to get more line out or mend a lot of line downstream putting you at a greater distance from your fly yet this seems to be a common way to fish everything from open streams to pocketwater. Am I missing something? Hi, Contrary to popular belief, a drag-free drift is not always the most effective presentation. Fishing for steelhead, salmon, shad, stripers, (and yes, even trout), it is often more effective to fish the fly with movement against the current. Of course, one can fish down-and-across, drag-free, which offers the great advantage of showing the fly before the leader. I hope this helps,   Alan.

     Quartering downstream is a tight line technique, and probably about the oldest technique for fly fishing there is.  Typically used for wet fly and streamer fishing, casting across the current allows the fly to sink.  At the end of the drift, the fly swings in the current (on a tight line) and rises through the water profile until the fly is hanging in the current downstream of you.  To get more depth before the swing, you can make your cast straight across or quartering upstream.   Most hits seem to come as the fly swings.  This can be an effective technique for nymph fishing as well.  (Quartering downstream minimizes "drift" time and maximizes the "swing" time for each cast). John

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Hi John, Of course, one can fish down-and-across, drag-free, which offers the great advantage of showing the fly before the leader. Quartering downstream is a tight line technique, and probably about the oldest technique for fly fishing there is.

The drag-free downstream technique I was referring to is the now common practice on spring creeks of casting downstrream and feeding line at a rate slightly faster than the current. This can be a deadly method on finicky fish that have been heavily fished over. Best wishes,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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