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How about taking this to an email status, guys. I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

Ah nothing like a little dose of salt for a wound.  Sorry RW, I know you could care less but I think this was a low blow and rather presumptuous of you.  I don’t know the circumstances surrounding Mr. Colliers pup…given that, I certainly wouldn’t affix blame.  Even if I did know, I don’t see the point in the blame game anyway…I’m sure he’ll learn all he needs to about Parvo by the time this is all done. Michael F. Pitch (Natty)

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Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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You first, clueless newbie! Op

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Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza!

Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

Mike, Got a pup myself. Wouldn’t trade him for a million. However, I wouldn’t give you $.10 for another. Seriously, hope your pet gets well. Ken Williams

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Bovine Excrement on your part rw!  Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots.  Manure happens. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Calif Bill writes: Bovine Excrement on your part rw!  Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots.  Manure happens. Bill

No doubt about it.  The best place to catch it is *at* the vet’s.  If you bring an unprotected puppy to the vet’s office, you should bring a large towel for the dog to sit/lie on.  While a good vet will spray and clean the surfaces exposed to dogs/puppies, there is still the chance that the virus will survive.  So, beat it by not allowing the puppy on *any* of the surfaces at the vet’s office until the pup is fully vaccinated.  It is the only sure way to protect your dog.  Although rw was a little blunt in his approach of placing blame, it is the human’s fault that the animal gets infected.  Keep the pup away from possible infected surfaces. I leave for Idaho in a few hours.  Unfortunately, Henry can’t go with me…d;0( Dave

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Not your falt.  Parvo shots don’t always prevent your dog from getting it but it may lessen the effect enough that he’ll live.  Parvo can stay in the ground where an infected dog has dumped for a year or more, so chances are you never nknew where he came up with it. Bill Pentheny Adams (PA) County Bassmasters Cheasapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue

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True,,, Although the good old T&R aren’t all that straight themselves. ‘Bout as straight as a caddis hook I reckon. Ari Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

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…so it is fitting that the dog should die to punish his master’s mistakes. Hmm. Interesting viewpoint.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one.

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Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when

it was in your care….<   Let me tell you a story, rw…and please, comment on it.  I raised a litter of pointers a few years ago.   They were whelped in my garage.  Never around any dogs except their mother.  I started giving them shots at 5 weeks (when I weaned them).   I gave them a shot at 5 weeks, a shot at 6, one at 8, one at 10 and one at 14.  5 shots in all.  I kept 4 of these puppies.  They were in a new pen that had never had other dogs in it.  At 17/18 weeks, two of them developed parvo and subsequently died.  The other two (in the same pen) lived and showed no signs of sickness.   I see no reason why 2 puppies out of 4, raised under identical conditions would develop parvo and 2 would not.  Obviously, they were "exposed" to parvo but I can’t for the life of me figure how unless I carried it in on my boots from a field trial.  BUT, I had given them *5* shots and only 2 of the 4 died.  Shit happens.

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Dog’s fine and is coming home this afternoon. Thanks for all the kind words. — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog…

I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I wish you a lot of good luck with your puppy.  Your right about how quick you get to loving a pup.  I hope this works out well for you and your pup. PS:  Wish it was my ex who got the Parvo instead Richard

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Don’t know about the divorce part, but one of the hardest things I’ve had to do was put down my Aussie. Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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rw writes: Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year.

When we got Henry two and half years ago at age 8 weeks, we took him to the vet for a check up, but we brought a towel for him to sit/stand on.  Never let an unvacinated pup around the floor or tables of any vet. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

If you do socialize around others pubs (puppy kindergarden, obedience school, etc., ensure that one of the requirements is up-to-date parvo shots.   I’ll be out your way on Sunday, Steve.  Taking grandson #2 fishing somewhere east of Cascade — we fly in from Boise.   Dave

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Did you know the Parvo virus can survive in dog feces for up to a year? Did you know some dogs only carry the virus? Did you know puppies are born with their mother’s immunity to Parvo, and there is only the briefest window from the time the in-born immunity fails and the puppies own kicks in? We were not at all careless with this dog. Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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Thank you! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

My neighbor’s pup was in a fenced backyard when he was visited by a sick loose dog (that dog later died — his owners *were* careless).  The pup got sick very quickly and my neighbors took him to the vet right away.  With lots of care, he did recover beautifully.  My dogs were older (and had their regular booster shots) and they weren’t affected, luckily. Hang in there, Michael.  Thinking good thoughts your way. Sandy

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Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up.

Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass…

If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling.  Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better… Padishar Creel –  My best friend has always been a dog.

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Thanks. — Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling.  Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better…

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Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman

Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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Just read an article in my local paper about the NY DEC stocker trucks dumping their annual loads of browns and bows into the local rivers. 8" one year olds and up to 16" two year olds. i welcome a discussion on this program. i’ve heard a lot of pros and cons on this issue. one point is that is provides a lot of fun (if you like to catch dumb stockers), and that fishing pressure neccesitates the stocking program. the counterpoint (which i agree with), is that the inferior stocker fish dilute the gene pool and compete with wild fish for food. the solution seems to be more no kill zones on rivers so the population is not deleted in a single season. i’ve seen this work on rivers in the west where i used to live, and the result was a healthy population of wild fish that were a little harder to catch, but worth the result. in the state of washington where i used to live, the state’s policy is put and take, and they spend millions of dollars and employ thousands of state workers to dump gujillions of fish into the state’s waters. in more enlightened states (MT for example), its been shown that reasonable management of wild fish can result in a plentiful and healthy population. personally i’m not crazy about catching trout with raw noses from living in such tight quarters in the breeding tanks. the wild fish are much healthier and prettier. comments and complaints please. stephen in ny

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As a fellow New Yorker, I pretty much concur with Stephen.  With the vast financial resources of NY State, I think the fishery can do a much better job. While I’m strongly in favor of better stream/river management–a la "no kill/artificial only" to help build healthier and more ‘wild’ trout bases, I also believe that keeping some ‘Put and Take’ spots is critical.  NY should continue to heavily stock parts of streams/rivers near significant population bases where young kids can still have an opportunity to catch fish with worms and bring ‘em home for dinner.   This is what gets kids interested in the outdoors.  Sooner or later they appreciate the ’sport’ of fly fishing, just like the rest of us did, and don’t have a need to keep everything.   For example, I live in the Albany area.  There’s a ton of chatter about state of the Battenkill.  I think the DEC should stock the stream with healthy browns, and then restrict the ENTIRE river in NY to catch and release/artificial only.  Over the next few years, assuming people don’t keep anything, this river ought to bounce back.  Most of the Battenkill winds through very rural areas, so there isn’t a huge population base thats really affected by the change in policy. At the same time, the DED should continue stocking the Kaydeross and Geyser Creeks, understanding that ninety percent of those fish are going to be fried for dinner. The Battenkill becomes the classic trout tream it once was, and the Kaydeross is the stream we all grew up with… My two cents, but NY, has large opportunities for improvement. Pete

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Hi Farns, No I haven’t worked for a software company although I do derive my livelihood in a tougher hi-tech industry that survives (or not) when a company provides second class service or a product that just doesn’t work right first time.   I don’t possess a copy of Fly! so my comments are/were generic and aimed at no Publisher in particular.  There is one well known major publishing house that consistently thinks ‘close enough is near enough’ and their Ops Normal is to release today and patch tomorrow to get the cash. Such attitides pressure the developers into wrapping a product at a deadline regardless of build standard.  These guys usually respond to bug problems only after they get caught out and if people scream loud enough.  In some cases publishers stonewall, and keep their heads firmly embedded in their asses and pretend products are without fault. By any appraisal of the complaints, and some responses from the Publishers, some propblems were known at pressing and others are so obvious  it’s hard to figure out why they were let slip by.  Says a lot about the Beta Testers for different Publishers who – from my personal knowledge – are typically ‘yes men’ afraid to open their mouths and delay production.  Some Publishers just don’t like bad news and some Beta Testers just like the freebies.  Both do consumers a disservice. If you have continual ready access to on-line updates that takes much of the annoyance out of buying an untested product.  From what I read here Fly! has not made a lot of friends because of that philosophy.   The purpose of my posting was to say that a lot do not have what you and I take for granted.  It would be nice to believe that publishers would listen to these daily wake-up calls and show the consumers – who put food on their tables when it’s all said and done – a little more consideration.  Nobody is perfect – least of all moi but – but some just never learn from past mistakes. Let’s not forget that this is all about having fun.  When the crass commercialism makes it less fun and more stress, folks are more likely to go back to playing golf or fishing rgds, — Steve Small Canberra, Australia

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regarding Re: Fly! Give’em a break: We understand, they work hard for a software in version 1.0 And first patch is already out.  They post announcements on www.avsim.com free site compared to their competitor (flightsim) –  wich is great since is open to everybody.

<SNIP The limited membership registration for www.flightsim.com is free, I’m using it and it works fine. So it is open to everybody , you just have to register. — Tomas Wil

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It’s easy, tell your wife that in your OLD AGE you can’t throw the heavier 4, 6 and 8 wts. You need the lighter 3, 5 and 7 wts. You try this first and let me know if it works. Good luck Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m giving a lot away about age here, but my very first fly rod wasn’t rated for line weight. It was rated for diameter. "H" was the small diameter; "A" was as thick as you could get. HCH would be a double taper, with "C" being the middle diameter. Density wasn’t mentioned, nor was weight. So rods might cast an HCH floating line, but an HEH (!) sinker. And you could really only tell by trial and error. As you might guess, the weight system was and is a godsend. When I bought my first weight-rated rod, the generally-recommended line for trout stream fishing was a 6. Naturally, that’s where I started. Over the years I’ve accumulated a "kangaroo quiver" of rods. That is, line weights 2, 4, 6 and 8 (hopping over the odd numbered line weights). Covers most every situation I face. At this point, that collection is pretty complete. I’ve noticed though, that 5-weights, 3-weights, 7-weights, etc. have been getting a lot more mention in postings here, in magazine articles, and so forth. I think someone starting now would probably be in the odd-numbered weights? Is there a reason for this? More importantly, is there any way I can use this as a way to convince my wife that I need 3, 5, 7 and 9-weight rods?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m giving a lot away about age here, but my very first fly rod wasn’t rated for line weight. It was rated for diameter. "H" was the small diameter; "A" was as thick as you could get. HCH would be a double taper, with "C" being the middle diameter. Density wasn’t mentioned, nor was weight. So rods might cast an HCH floating line, but an HEH (!) sinker. And you could really only tell by trial and error. As you might guess, the weight system was and is a godsend. When I bought my first weight-rated rod, the generally-recommended line for trout stream fishing was a 6. Naturally, that’s where I started. Over the years I’ve accumulated a "kangaroo quiver" of rods. That is, line weights 2, 4, 6 and 8 (hopping over the odd numbered line weights). Covers most every situation I face. At this point, that collection is pretty complete. I’ve noticed though, that 5-weights, 3-weights, 7-weights, etc. have been getting a lot more mention in postings here, in magazine articles, and so forth. I think someone starting now would probably be in the odd-numbered weights? Is there a reason for this? More importantly, is there any way I can use this as a way to convince my wife that I need 3, 5, 7 and 9-weight rods?

Simply put-yes,no. Actually Most people are like you and me, evens. However I do have 3, 5, 7 also. Because most people started out even, there is a large market for odds. Magazines sell adds, adds sell products. Writters are paid by magazines nuff said. In my case I bought a 7.5′ 3wt for bream, the 8wt for bass, 7wt for salt or big trout and 5wt for average to big trout. If you get the cheaper rods and spend the difference on flowers you gat a chance.                                                        John Popp                                                    in Sanford Fl.

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I think someone starting now would probably be in the odd-numbered weights? Is there a reason for this? More importantly, is there any way I can use this as a way to convince my wife that I need 3, 5, 7 and 9-weight rods?

  There is a reason for it:  materials.  WIth today’s carbon-fibre rods, a five weight can carry the workload that a six weight used to, but you benefit from the additional touch of the lighter rod, and also fromthe fact that it’s, well, lighter.  Your arm doesn’t get as tired.   Does that mean you should go load up on odd numbers…man, I’m not gonna be the man to face your wife with that one.

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I’m giving a lot away about age here, but my very first fly rod wasn’t rated for line weight. It was rated for diameter. "H" was the small diameter; "A" was as thick as you could get. HCH would be a double taper, with "C" being the middle diameter. Density wasn’t mentioned, nor was weight. So rods might cast an HCH floating line, but an HEH (!) sinker. And you could really only tell by trial and error. As you might guess, the weight system was and is a godsend. When I bought my first weight-rated rod, the generally-recommended line for trout stream fishing was a 6. Naturally, that’s where I started. Over the years I’ve accumulated a "kangaroo quiver" of rods. That is, line weights 2, 4, 6 and 8 (hopping over the odd numbered line weights). Covers most every situation I face. At this point, that collection is pretty complete. I’ve noticed though, that 5-weights, 3-weights, 7-weights, etc. have been getting a lot more mention in postings here, in magazine articles, and so forth. I think someone starting now would probably be in the odd-numbered weights? Is there a reason for this? More importantly, is there any way I can use this as a way to convince my wife that I need 3, 5, 7 and 9-weight rods?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My little book is a Yachting reprint dated 1954. "The Best of Darrell McClure." Yeah…But that was when "Yachting" was still worth reading, not the coffee table magazine for yuppie millionaires it has turned into. John

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Yeah, but adding a $1,200 charter bill on top of airfare for four (another $1,200) brings the weekend tariff to $2,500 easy, vs. maybe $150 for towing your baby 300 miles and back.  Hardly the same thing unless you are Bill Gates.  Truth is, when you trailer you do kinda feel like the guys who fly into the Vineyard on a seaplane to meet their captained 90-footers. I too enjoyed cruising local waters for over 15 years.  But then it got a little old.  It’s still fun to zip across the Sound for lunch once in while, or wet a fishing line, but it’s not cruising. Ken

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I don’t run around at anything near full speed 99% of the time, although I hear that sailboats try to do that *all* the time .

*ROTFL* Omygot, David! You’ve got us! flo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have sail-cruised for 25 years  and power-cruised for 10 years.  I wasn’t getting much further from home on my 40 mph stink pot than I was on the rag boat.  You just can’t get all that far in the time most of us have for our hobby.  Plus 40 mph is not a reality once you leave the inner harbor.  I probably spent more time at 10 mph in the power boat than any other speed, which was a fast as I could move her in 3 ft. seas and still keep my kidneys. My solution:  use a trailer to get to the new places.  55 mph is a lot faster than a sailboat can go and 10 mpg in your Suburban is a lot better than the 2 mpg a powerboat gets.  I found trailer boating to be more of a "thing" than either sailing or powering, as far as distinctiveness of experience was concerned.  It’s just a hoot to spend a weekend on your boat in exotic waters 300 miles from home. Ken

Very well said! — Skipper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Charming note! But if the truth be known, God probably owns a MacGregor 26X so that he can motor, sail or drift. (Sorry….couldn’t resist that opportunity.) Actually, I’ve always been amused by the division between ragbaggers and stinkpotters. It’s boating and being on and enjoying the water that are important, or should be. I’ve solved the dilemma by having both – a 25′ Bayfield sailboat for peace and pleasure and relaxation and a 25′ Carver powerboat for getting from here to there when I want. Both have their merits and drawbacks. I can’t stand powerboaters who go too damn fast and screw things up and create unreasonable risks for themselves or others. I also can’t stand sailors who put on that air of superiority and pedantry while always seeming to list 10 degrees to port. I think a little mutual appreciation would go a long way and might even help with the never-ending Mac 26X debate. (Sorry again.) Harry

Wow! You are in for it… As soon as Capt Neal (one of nine) reads this you will be in for a good thrashing… Why is it that the level of boating know how seems to be inversely proportional to the size of the boat?

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Charming note! But if the truth be known, God probably owns a MacGregor 26X so that he can motor, sail or drift. (Sorry….couldn’t resist that opportunity.) Actually, I’ve always been amused by the division between ragbaggers and stinkpotters. It’s boating and being on and enjoying the water that are important, or should be. I’ve solved the dilemma by having both – a 25′ Bayfield sailboat for peace and pleasure and relaxation and a 25′ Carver powerboat for getting from here to there when I want. Both have their merits and drawbacks. I can’t stand powerboaters who go too damn fast and screw things up and create unreasonable risks for themselves or others. I also can’t stand sailors who put on that air of superiority and pedantry while always seeming to list 10 degrees to port. I think a little mutual appreciation would go a long way and might even help with the never-ending Mac 26X debate. (Sorry again.) Harry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My hat’s off to an apparent purist. The vast majority of sail boats in our area, based upon observation, spend very little time with their sail up unless a sailboat race is on. Most of them motor from point to point, stopping in between for a little recreational sailing when the wind permits. On a breezy afternoon they do congregate just outside the breakwater and do some sailing as well, but they’re primarily just tacking back and forth within a mile or so of the marina.  Much of our inland type boating involves narrows and channels where a stiff current can develop that would require a sail boat to wait for a slack or alternate tide if not running under power; so perhaps there are other areas where the sail boaters actually spend the majority of the time sailing.

"Majority" might be stretching it, but here in the Great Lakes, we can and do cruise under sail for 8 hour runs if the wind is cooperative.  We’ve covered as much as 120 miles without turning over the engine.  We’ve also had to motor for 12 hours or more when the breeze failed to appear, or worse, when it was from a contrary direction. It will depend greatly on your locale and the routes available, but one can "have the sail up" a reasonable amount of the time.

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I have sail-cruised for 25 years  and power-cruised for 10 years.  I wasn’t getting much further from home on my 40 mph stink pot than I was on the rag boat.  You just can’t get all that far in the time most of us have for our hobby.  Plus 40 mph is not a reality once you leave the inner harbor.  I probably spent more time at 10 mph in the power boat than any other speed, which was a fast as I could move her in 3 ft. seas and still keep my kidneys. My solution:  use a trailer to get to the new places.  55 mph is a lot faster than a sailboat can go and 10 mpg in your Suburban is a lot better than the 2 mpg a powerboat gets.  I found trailer boating to be more of a "thing" than either sailing or powering, as far as distinctiveness of experience was concerned.  It’s just a hoot to spend a weekend on your boat in exotic waters 300 miles from home. Ken

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|Why is it that the level of boating know how seems to be inversely proportional to the size of the boat?| It may be a result of the size and capacity of the brain doing the seeming. Is that another way of saying that small boats can only carry people so small as to have such small brains that only think they are smart enough to come to such a conclusion without missing the important point regarding the presumption that one’s opinion regarding others’ ability vis a vis boating knowhow somehow corresponds to some true vision of the universe? I suppose then that a mosquito on a floating leaf fragment would logically possess most of the boating know how in the world, leaving little for the larger vessels, and of course explains the Exxon Valdise situation, which apparantly still stinks. Terry K Has anyone tried putting a sailboard sail on a wheelchair, then employing teams to propel a four foot ball through a soccer sized goal in competition?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A zillion years ago there was a Darrell McClure cartoon about this very thing. For those of you who don’t remember, Darrell McClure was a regular cartoonist in the Boston Herald. The cartoons were always on boating, and I guess it says something about Boston in those days. They also ran in Yachting. My little book is a Yachting reprint dated 1954. "The Best of Darrell McClure." Anyway, there is John Truesalt (his name is on his seabag) in his bedroom, which is filled with models of grand sailing boats and a bookcase full of sailing books. He is on his knees by his bed obviously in great anguish of soul. The caption says: "Oh Lord — I went cruising in a power boat and I LIKED IT!" Another one has a group of people lounging in the cockpit of a sailboat. The superciliuous twit at the tiller says: "My brother? We don’t mention my brother anymore….. He bought a motor boat."

We Swamp Yankees here in the North East have something similar.  It is a cartoon called Bousquet (pronounced Bos’kay).  It shows a guy in the cockpit of his little sailboat.  The name on the back of the vessel is "Hazard to Navigation II".  Reminded me of a ragbagger I raft with on Block Island. Excuse the plug for my own page, but feel free to visit my page for a couple of ‘toons about us wooden boaters with a link to the cartoonists’ page as well. Dave Carlile Classic Wooden Boats http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8110

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…  I can’t stand powerboaters who go too damn fast and screw things up and create unreasonable risks for themselves or others. I also can’t stand sailors who put on that air of superiority and pedantry while always seeming to list 10 degrees to port.  …

Know what you mean.  However, it does seem a bit strange coming from someone named Harry.  The other Harry has a much longer list of gripes. You always know when his underwear don’t quite fit correctly. — Skipper

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Why is it that the level of boating know how seems to be inversely proportional to the size of the boat?

Now THAT one I won’t touch with either a 1′ or 10′ boat hook! Harry

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I’ve been cruising on a powerboat, and I too enjoyed it, except for guilt about the thousand gallons plus of fuel we burnt in a long weekend.  But we did cover about five hundred miles of open sea and visit three ports.   I learned a lot too.  If you’re accustomed to navigating a sailing cruiser it can be a shock to you to do complex pilotage at speed. Normally I never bother to plot courses etc. in advance – I don’t get seasick so I can work out courses at the chart table as and when I need them, and in a sailing boat you can never predict the wind.   John Wilson

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John Wilson commented: I’ve been cruising on a powerboat, and I too enjoyed it, except for guilt about the thousand gallons plus of fuel we burnt in a long weekend.  But we did cover about five hundred miles of open sea and visit three ports.   I learned a lot too.  If you’re accustomed to

In other words, "If this is Saturday afternoon this must be Catalina?" Doesn’t sound like a lot of fun. If you spent any time sleeping or actually in the three ports you would have needed to be doing about what, maybe 20 knots?, the rest of the time to cover a 500 mile itinerary in a weekend. Your experience was an odd way to spend time on any boat, not a typical powerboat experience.  Many powerboats operate almost as economically under power as do similar size sailboats. Your skipper must have been fairly wealthy to burn up $1200 worth of fuel for a weekend. Most of us would not be able to afford that. How many people were aboard? A vessel getting half a mile per gallon isn’t all that inefficient if its carrying 40 people and it’s looked at on a per-passenger-mile basis. Mr. Wilson also commented: I learned a lot too.  If you’re accustomed to navigating a sailing cruiser it can be a shock to you to do complex pilotage at speed. Normally I never bother to plot courses etc. in advance – I don’t get seasick so I can work out courses at the chart table as and when I need them, and in a sailing boat you can never predict the wind.  

My hat’s off to an apparent purist. The vast majority of sail boats in our area, based upon observation, spend very little time with their sail up unless a sailboat race is on. Most of them motor from point to point, stopping in between for a little recreational sailing when the wind permits. On a breezy afternoon they do congregate just outside the breakwater and do some sailing as well, but they’re primarily just tacking back and forth within a mile or so of the marina.  Much of our inland type boating involves narrows and channels where a stiff current can develop that would require a sail boat to wait for a slack or alternate tide if not running under power; so perhaps there are other areas where the sail boaters actually spend the majority of the time sailing.

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Sail vs. Power. It would be nice to think that the law of Equal Stupidity applies here; or that 1. The number of sailboaters with the ‘nose in the air self-righteous disdain’ for power boaters is a small but vocal and noticable contingent of an otherwise decent group of people and….. 2. The number of powerboaters who charge around way too fast and clueless (annoying a lot of other powerboaters with their antics as well) is also a small but noticable contingent of an otherwise decent group of people. Anytime we make a judgement about another boater’s attitudes, skills, or human worthiness based upon the motive power of his/her vessel or (dare I say it?) the brand name thereon we lose an opportunity to perhaps get to know somebody who would make a postive contribution to life.  Human nature is just that however, human and natural, and we will probably react emotionally and contribute to be discriminatory in our attitudes, rather than be compelled by intelligence and logic to go through the extra work of making our judgements one at a time based upon observed behaviors. More’s the pity.

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        …My little book is a Yachting reprint dated 1954. "The Best         of Darrell McClure."… So that’s where that cartoon came from. I saw it many many years ago, and in fact I had just gone on a powerboat cruise (up Hudson River, Lake Champlain, canals almost to Montreal) and I did enjoy it, and it did cause considerable anguish of soul. But I got over it. Meanwhile I’ll keep a weather eye for the book. — http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html                                               -"Call me Fishmeal"-

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A zillion years ago there was a Darrell McClure cartoon about this very thing. For those of you who don’t remember, Darrell McClure was a regular cartoonist in the Boston Herald. The cartoons were always on boating, and I guess it says something about Boston in those days. They also ran in Yachting. My little book is a Yachting reprint dated 1954. "The Best of Darrell McClure." Anyway, there is John Truesalt (his name is on his seabag) in his bedroom, which is filled with models of grand sailing boats and a bookcase full of sailing books. He is on his knees by his bed obviously in great anguish of soul. The caption says: "Oh Lord — I went cruising in a power boat and I LIKED IT!" Another one has a group of people lounging in the cockpit of a sailboat. The superciliuous twit at the tiller says: "My brother? We don’t mention my brother anymore….. He bought a motor boat."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Received the following message from a fellow boater.  Will protect the authors anonymity but the tale and his honest, self-effacing writing style are just too good not to share. Hope a positive response to his tale will prompt additional posts from this author.   I live on the British Columbian Gulf Islands.  After 7 years of sailing (and I loved my little Catalina 27) I’d been everywhere, man. At least everywhere I could get in a weekend at 6 knots (in a gale) or motoring. An honest sailor in coastal waters will tell you he motors 50% of the time anyway. Spring and fall I spent my sailing days in full rain gear and boots.  Summers the wind rarely blew.  There seems to be a certain eleteism in the sailing fraternity… now I’m not sure why.  In my sailing days I knew that God was a Sailor. My revelation, after the sailboat had to go (divorce), was that my bliss was linked to experiences on the water and had little to do with the conveyance.

Exactly. I like to go out on the water, period, and spend most of my time actually not moving, rather than blasting around upsetting sailboats (as some people would have it). What galls me most are the smug self-righteous types who put down powerboat owners as "people who are more interested in the destination than the journey". I took up boating precisely *because* I wasn’t interested in going anywhere fast (I sold my airplane to buy my boat). I don’t run around at anything near full speed 99% of the time, although I hear that sailboats try to do that *all* the time . And now the sailboaters, claiming the moral high ground as always, may end up being the only ones left in California legally allowed to use their two-stroke engines to pollute lakes and reservoirs. Figures. I bet the guy writing that bill owns a sailboat. — David (Dragon) Fiedler, Infobahn Warrior, Bf.D, CRS, ONS Find me at http://www.innercite.com/~dragon/ Please change "nospam" in my header address to "david" in order to reply. ** Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II,

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

Michael, The phone number for NYSOGA is 518 798 1253.  Good luck. James Ehlers NYSOGA Member Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Mike – Contact the DEC in Raybrooke, NY (area code 518) and they can refer you to the proper office which will mail out an aplication form as well as requirements. What is required for the Backpacking/Hiking & Camping Licence: (If I remember correctly) -Passing a Physical Exam from your Doctor, -Basic First Aid AND Water Safety Course OR  Advanced First Aid (Includes Water Safety course) -Taking a 2 or 3 hour test at your Regional DEC Office (Core plus area of  specialty  -Climbing/Hiking & Backpacking/Canoeing/Camping…) -Fee of around $50-$75 Good Luck Rick Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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I too am interested in any field/casting reports on the Sage 0 weight, as well as the Sage 1 weight, the East Branch 1 weight, and any other 1 weights out there (other than the Orvis).  Also, how do these rods compare to the Orvis 1 weight – does anybody know? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thursday, October 30, 1997     5:49:06 AM I am also looking for reports on Sage’s new 0-weight, if you have any experiences with it, can you post them on my page or here. adam Small Stream Flyfishing http://www.swlink.net/~hangwind

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I’m going to be visiting Door County, Wisconsin in mid-August.  We’d like to spend a couple days inland doing some fly fishing.  Can anyone recommend a good stream not too far (2-3 hours) from Green Bay, with some decent beginner water and preferably a good (not too wild) campground nearby?  I’ve read in a guide book of the Wolf River.  Any comments? TIA Greg

You might want to check out the Wisconsin Flyfishing page at http://www.dwave.net/~patrick/ for some useful info. Don’t forget about Green Bay itself, especially if you like to eat (and catch) walleye! — Richard W. (Dick) Lander; sportsman, Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty. *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *   Another day…another chance something will be found hazardous to my health…

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I’m going to be visiting Door County, Wisconsin in mid-August.  We’d like to spend a couple days inland doing some fly fishing.  Can anyone recommend a good stream not too far (2-3 hours) from Green Bay, with some decent beginner water and preferably a good (not too wild) campground nearby?  I’ve read in a guide book of the Wolf River.  Any comments?   TIA Greg

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Wolf River gets pretty warm this time of year.  I’d try the four P’s just northwest of Green Bay…The Pike, Popple, Pine and Peshtigo.  Plenty of camping and BIG trout in those streams with plenty of access.  The Peshtigo gets pretty warm in the summer too though. TO WET LINES AND FULL TUMMYS, Chris Willman La Crosse, Wisconsin

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  I am planning to do a great deal of fly fishing in the Kananaskis region this summer.  I would like some tips on some great fishing holes in and around that area.  Is there any places to catch Artic Gralying in the southern part of Alberta?

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In article   I am planning to do a great deal of fly fishing in the Kananaskis region this summer.  I would like some tips on some great fishing holes in and around that area.  Is there any places to catch Artic Gralying in the southern part of Alberta?

Good luck flyfishing the Kannanaskis River. TransAlta has turned off the flow completely in order to replace generators in the Pocaterra Dam on the Lower Kannanaskis Lake.This has completely de-watered a growing stretch (5 kilometres 2 weeks ago) and has destroyed spawning redds and habitat.Maybe you could call the Park office and inquire about it. There really isn’t much unless you try the headwaters of certain tributaries, or head to the Spray area, or south over the Highwood. The Upper Bow has its moments! As for grayling, Big Iron Lake is the only place in southern Alberta that has them as far as I’ve heard. Any reports I’ve heard have been positive. Dan Bell, Upper Bow Flyfishing Co. Banff Alberta.

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George: I’ll be spending a week in Kananaskas this July, looking for hungry trout. Can’t wait! You may want to contact some local guides, like Marcus Perron of Rocky River Outfitters in Calgary. He offers, among other things, a float trip on the Bow River and he can send you info on what to expect. Good luck! Bill Fowler Birmingham, AL

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