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.. how hard is it to get a hook up in the national forest  ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

  None of the NF campgrounds have power, period. — Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://kendaco.telebyte.com/rlindber/RV

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest can anyone help with any first hand knowledge will be takeing a 30 foot class A   is a dingy necessary ? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise thank you glenn   please send email to

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest can anyone help with any first hand knowledge will be takeing a 30 foot class A   is a dingy necessary ? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest

  When? (I’d ask why, since I wouldn’t bother any more) can anyone help with any first hand knowledge

  Yes will be takeing a 30 foot class A   is a dingy necessary ?

  Where are you planning to stay? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

  The only place I am recalling with power is the KOA at Bozeman Hotsprings (which also gives you access to the springs pools) —

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Nice job, Joe!  You said exactly what I’ve been thinking. The pettyness and personal attacks have gone on too long. IMO, both Ken and George have, in the past, posted many worthwhile comments.  Lately, I’ve been skipping anything by either of them because I’m sick of the off-topic rants. Too bad for me because I’ve probably missed some grains of wisdom. Dave Until now, I wouldn’t touch this subject with a ten foot pole; but it’s Monday and my brain is unwilling to get to work.   So I’m going to make a foolish and probably futile attempt to offer a rational and well-considered opinion on what I see happening here. clipped! Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

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My guess is you won’t be having a drink with each other anytime soon, but try harder.

I’d share a bottle of Laphroig with George anytime. Just my $.02

Worth at least 3 or 4, in my book. — Ken Fortenberry

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars! — Regards, Peter

No Peter, You’ve fallen behind a little now!  "The Famous Grouse" is the tipple these days. — Bill

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I don’t listen to anyone whose opinion I don’t respect Bill and that is something that has to be earned. It doesn’t come with a smart mouthed repost on a newsgroup! — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well. Peter, when G speaks, you listen!….:-) — Bill

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Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well. — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter because it will make you a bigger Dick then all the Richards in the world. Okay, Petah? (shades of betty davis!) that is how you know

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Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well.

 Peter, when G speaks, you listen!….:-) — Bill

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 On-going arguments about the fine points of who is right and why or whose penis is bigger on subjects with no possible resolution waste a lot of time and good feeling here. Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

_______  I assure you, my penis is much bigger then ‘K.F’s’ ; ) Mr. . G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one"

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -_______  I assure you, my penis is much bigger then ‘K.F’s’ ; ) Mr. . G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter

because it will make you a bigger Dick then all the Richards in the world. Okay, Petah? (shades of betty davis!) that is how you know

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It is amazing  how some of you are so two faced and cowardly that lurk among us.  The latest bullshit is going to stop and its going to stop right here.  All of you can either watch or join in.    I am going to do this systematically and point out by time and date the two-faced, lying hypercritical rag-mouth that Fortenberry really is. This will be short and sweet.  The we will move onto the latest news in my and your lives. I will begin by answering K.F’s post about GRAND AMERICAN DEAL OF THE YEAR and then onto one more or two.  It went like this, what he posted. Technically, Spam is unsolicited commercial email. We call Gehrke’s repeated commercial postings to ROFF Spam, but technically it’s Usenet abuse. Spam is illegal in Virginia, other states are considering similar laws. Spam is criminal. What Gehrke does to ROFF is not an actual crime, but a cybercrime. He has Spammed us, of course, and through poor mailing list management allowed others to Spam us. I doubt he’ll do it again. There’s really nothing we can do about ROFF abuse other terminate his account if enough of us bitched about him. I don’t know that it would deter Gehrke in the long run. He’s lost accounts at least once before and he shows no signs of having learned anything from the experience. In my opinion he’s just shooting himself in the foot by advertising here. He makes far more enemies than potential customers by abusing ROFF and in the long run that will be our best defense. Just don’t buy anything from anyone that advertises in ROFF. — Ken Fortenberry Go to this one to see retort.

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correct K.F. about anything.  He knows what he is doing and so does everyone else here.   I just want to make the following points and the subject is closed. 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t. 2)  The membership is it’s own best format. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again. End of discussion. Mr. G. Now then, on to new and more exciting things.  Let’s have some fun!

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Mr. G wrote 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t.

My opinion is that the level of commercialism you engage in on ROFF is not tactful.  You step over the line.  But I admit, that’s just one person’s opinion.  Thing is, I believe that many agree with me. Would you consider not advertising your products here if it were clear to you that most people find that many of your posts are too commercial? Like you, I am absolutely against any kind of control of this newsgroup aside from self control.  I just wish that you would exercise the latter. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again.

You are not a cybercriminal.  But you are a spammer according to what I consider to be spam.  If I’m the only one who thinks this, then hey…ignore me.  But I think you’ll find that a significant number of people would classify your commercial posts as spam. —                                                       -dnc-

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But I think you’ll find that a significant number of people would classify

your commercial posts as spam.< True, but it’s *our* spam.  I for one have no problem with a group regular "spamming" the group.  For the most part, I consider that to be information, not spam.  Outsiders are a different thing, of course, but I find George’s posts to be of considerable interest.  And when I don’t, I just go to the next post.  No big deal.  Sure, it takes up some bandwidth, but to me, that’s no problem, ‘tho I realize it has been for others: I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g

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(snip) <<I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g   Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  That’s the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.  George sent two long E-mail spams, followed by the BambooUSA guy picking up all the addresses and sending yet another.  That angered everyone, including George’s sycophants.   Dave LaCourse

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Mike emailed me that he left because of the amount of SPAM on ROFF.  He pays by time, I believe, and it just cost him too much money for what he got back. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snip) <<I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g   Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  That’s the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.  George sent two long E-mail spams, followed by the BambooUSA guy picking up all the addresses and sending yet another.  That angered everyone, including George’s sycophants. Dave LaCourse

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Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  

The email problems were after he left, I think. People were emailing him for advice and asking him to write poems (he never did name names). The initial problem was roff spam, exacerbated by the person we’re not allowed to call a spammer any more or he’ll kick our butt<g. — Charlie…

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Mike emailed me that he left because of the amount of SPAM on ROFF.  He pays by time, I believe, and it just cost him too much money for what he got back.

Excuse the intrusion, but I would appreciate it if the subject header did not include my name. HOT DAMN, Illini 32 Ohio State 27 at the half. If the men in Orange & Blue pull this one off I may just have to drive up to Chicago and watch tomorrow’s game in person. — Ken Fortenberry

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars! — Regards, Peter "There is a Demon within us  whose soul belongs to hell  Won’t someone save us sinners" "The sun goes down"

<snip  names). The initial problem was roff spam, exacerbated by the person – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -we’re not allowed to call a spammer any more or he’ll kick our butt<g. — Charlie…

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars!

No, nothing that sinister, just George. He has irritated some people and been irritated by some people. Words and spam have been exchanged. Unfortunately, some good folks have decided to forgo roff as part of their daily diet. ‘Business’ as usual on roff<g. — Charlie…

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 If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g

That’s one option, and the one most often recommended. Unfortunately one cannot go to rec.crafts.dollhouses and discuss fly fishing. If you want to dicsuss fly fishing on Usenet, this is the place. If you see malfeasance here you either speak up or accept it. I choose the former. — Ken Fortenberry

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Naw — they drink Macallan Scotch and smoke pipes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars!

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Until now, I wouldn’t touch this subject with a ten foot pole; but it’s Monday and my brain is unwilling to get to work.   So I’m going to make a foolish and probably futile attempt to offer a rational and well-considered opinion on what I see happening here. Firstly George, I’ll state up front that I generally like you and find your informational posts helpful.   Your willingness to share your knowledge and opinions are a positive contribution to this newsgroup.   However: 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t.

This is quite true.   The is no point to "rules" because there is no practical way to enforce them.   When we see behavior we object to, our best alternative is to publicly inform the offender.   If enough people join in the objection, we can hope that the offending party will realize that he/she has stepped over the line of commonly accepted behavior.   If no one else objects, we must consider that our personal standards may not be congruent with those of the ng as a whole. Now George, I think it has been clear that while your abundant commercial posts were also informational and  accepted without comment by many, a significant portion of the ng had a problem with them.   I think that the number of posts (no, I didn’t count them) complaining or otherwise commenting on your "over-commercialism" and even using the "S" word should have been an indication to you that you had stepped over the line into a kind of tactful commercialism that the group didn’t tolerate.   Even I nearly put you in my kill file, and I like you.   For ROFF to be able to police itself, people must be occasionally willing to back off and look at what the ng is really telling them. George and Ken F. –  I have been somewhat amazed that many of your posts have been extremely thoughtful and intelligent, yet some of your personal attacks on each other were so far over the line as to defy logic.   Many here cannot espouse a rational opinion without personal invective and name-calling, yet you both seem simultaneously capable and irrational at times.   From my observations (more time lurking than posting), nasty personal attacks are neither acceptable to nor appreciated by the ng members.   Sometimes turning the other cheek or taking the high road can do a lot of good toward solving a problem; and you’ve both tried it on occasion.   My guess is you won’t be having a drink with each other anytime soon, but try harder. 2)  The membership is it’s own best format.

We are who we are. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again

I guess all I can say is that you need to trust us more.   Most of us are intelligent folks.  We know what spam is and we know what criminals are. We consider the source.   An extreme example was the dear, departed D-Version.   Who gave a shit what he said?   I think you sometimes defend yourself more vociferously than necessary against irrational posts.   To those who respect you, no defense is necessary.   To those who dislike you, any defense is pointless. On-going arguments about the fine points of who is right and why or whose penis is bigger on subjects with no possible resolution waste a lot of time and good feeling here. Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

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George, For the 3 wt. we need a medium action.  I like a fast action rod because of my casting style but for small streams and casting tippet most of the time, the slower action is more accurate and has more finesse.  Since we are talking mostly Brook trout and small stream fishing I have been working on a name.  No blockbuster yet comes to mind.  So far its Little Bastard, Small Stream Bastard, Mr. Rapidan Bastard (Monteague had a Rapidan many years ago), or that Bastard Brookie.  Still needs work. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – parties, such as finding some really GREAT Tonkin Cane.  Since I don’t take things for granted Wayne, I would rather admit up front that I may be blind sided, but I assure you, once I have the Cane and the forms I can get yours out just so I can keep my word, if need be.  (I have the tapers)  Do you want a medium or fast fly rod for a three weight? I’m trying to think of a Model name for the 6.5′ .  See the Bastard Page on the web.  I need help in this area. George Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Folks, the more i read, the less i know.. having been away for several week,s I note that resident most hated/most loved roff guy g g is working on "the bastard"!?!? could someone please clue me in… clearly it is a fly rod and not some bizarre confession. Enquiring minds want to know! edwin —

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My wife and I recently went on a 1 week trip to a river in the southern interior of B.C. Since I had recently returned from a week long fishing retreat in William’s Lake (got skunked), camping and quality time were the priorities. Now I should say that I’ve only recently taken up fly fishing (after a few not too subtle hints to unglue my butt from the sofa), and I’ve begun to develop a deep passion for the serenity it brings me, the beauty it takes me to and the opportunity it provides for moments of heart stopping, finger tingling excitement. In B.C., (with native species including Gerrard and Kamloops Trout) the majority of fly anglers seem to focus on still water fly fishing the many productive trophy lakes of the region. Therefore, it was that my own introduction to the Art was in the anatomy of lake fishing had done some reading on the strategy and tactics of stream fishing, with its drag free drift and line mending, it’s variety of pools, riffles and runs, but why pursue them when the"real anglers" stalked 10lb monsters in lakes as easily reached as any river?. So it was with little or no expectations that I brought along my 9′ 6-7wt, my waders and some flies. Just prior to our arriving I discovered to my dismay that I had left my somewhat meager selection of "river flys" at home but fortunately I was able to stop at a local fly shop where I picked up four Tom Thumbs and four nymphs (Pheasant Tail). When we reached the large provincial campsite the weather was hot and dry and the river clear and warm. After a quick dip to wash off the road my wife retired to the campsite and left me at the swimming hole with my rod and eight flies (with the 80+ weather the waders were banished to storage for the duration of our trip). It was mid evening as I made my first cast onto the smooth waters of the pool, using a Tom Thumb and nymph dropper. I’m not sure who was more startled, the fish at finding his evening meal biting back or me at having a fish take my first cast onto a river. After a short fight the river offered up a beautiful 12 in Rainbow which I kept for next mornings breakfast. A few more casts and a few missed strikes had it getting dark and I reluctantly returned to camp. Over the course of three days, and fishing only 2hrs per day I was fortunate enough to catch 20 trout all between 8-12in, and all but 4 on the Tom Thumbs. To say this was a revelation would be an understatement. Now I’m not saying I’ve given up my pursuit of the lunkers lurking in the lakes, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed trying to read the water and how I anticipated discovering what lay beyond that next bend. I realize now I had let a desire for catching only the largest of fish influence my fishing, that large fish were the only true goal of any angler. I won’t argue the relative merits of catching a 6 pound Kamloops or 12in river Rainbow, but I will say; that serenity, that beauty, that excitement. I found them on that river as well. Any suggestions on fly rod and reel combos $200-$300 Cnd that would be appropriate for river/stream would be appreciated

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I thought it was Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…mend left and THEN lift right…drift…up left.  No wonder I keep getting them tangled!

Excuse me, but is this fishing or knitting? Bill

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Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC. I’m not chastising, just making you aware.  If you’d like to see some BC flyfishing pics,  take a look at my amateur site. http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/freeman                         Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  My wife and I recently went on a 1 week trip to a river in the southern interior of B.C. Since I had recently returned from a week long fishing retreat in William’s Lake (got skunked), camping and quality time were the priorities. Now I should say that I’ve only recently taken up fly fishing (after a few not too subtle hints to unglue my butt from the sofa), and I’ve begun to develop a deep passion for the serenity it brings me, the beauty it takes me to and the opportunity it provides for moments of heart stopping, finger tingling excitement. In B.C., (with native species including Gerrard and Kamloops Trout) the majority of fly anglers seem to focus on still water fly fishing the many productive trophy lakes of the region. Therefore, it was that my own introduction to the Art was in the anatomy of lake fishing had done some reading on the strategy and tactics of stream fishing, with its drag free drift and line mending, it’s variety of pools, riffles and runs, but why pursue them when the"real anglers" stalked 10lb monsters in lakes as easily reached as any river?. So it was with little or no expectations that I brought along my 9′ 6-7wt, my waders and some flies. Just prior to our arriving I discovered to my dismay that I had left my somewhat meager selection of "river flys" at home but fortunately I was able to stop at a local fly shop where I picked up four Tom Thumbs and four nymphs (Pheasant Tail). When we reached the large provincial campsite the weather was hot and dry and the river clear and warm. After a quick dip to wash off the road my wife retired to the campsite and left me at the swimming hole with my rod and eight flies (with the 80+ weather the waders were banished to storage for the duration of our trip). It was mid evening as I made my first cast onto the smooth waters of the pool, using a Tom Thumb and nymph dropper. I’m not sure who was more startled, the fish at finding his evening meal biting back or me at having a fish take my first cast onto a river. After a short fight the river offered up a beautiful 12 in Rainbow which I kept for next mornings breakfast. A few more casts and a few missed strikes had it getting dark and I reluctantly returned to camp. Over the course of three days, and fishing only 2hrs per day I was fortunate enough to catch 20 trout all between 8-12in, and all but 4 on the Tom Thumbs. To say this was a revelation would be an understatement. Now I’m not saying I’ve given up my pursuit of the lunkers lurking in the lakes, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed trying to read the water and how I anticipated discovering what lay beyond that next bend. I realize now I had let a desire for catching only the largest of fish influence my fishing, that large fish were the only true goal of any angler. I won’t argue the relative merits of catching a 6 pound Kamloops or 12in river Rainbow, but I will say; that serenity, that beauty, that excitement. I found them on that river as well. Any suggestions on fly rod and reel combos $200-$300 Cnd that would be appropriate for river/stream would be appreciated

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC.

        oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days active time for using a strike detector?  20 lashes for possession of gink?  banishment to montana if caught wearing felt bottom wading shoes?         oh, well, the bureaucrats have gotta eat, just like everybody else, i reckon.         a. wayne harrison

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC.    oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days active time for using a strike detector?  20 lashes for possession of gink?  banishment to montana if caught wearing felt bottom wading shoes?    oh, well, the bureaucrats have gotta eat, just like everybody else, i reckon.    a. wayne harrison

I can only imagine the penalty for using bait! <g Dennis Haftel

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Nevertheless, he is correct.

20:00:13 -0700, "Don(River Rat)" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC. oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days active time for using a strike detector?  20 lashes for possession of gink?  banishment to montana if caught wearing felt bottom wading shoes? oh, well, the bureaucrats have gotta eat, just like everybody else, i reckon. a. wayne harrison I can only imagine the penalty for using bait! <g Dennis Haftel

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See for yourself.  The BC Fishing Regulations are online at http://monday.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Nevertheless, he is correct. : : Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is : illegal in BC. : : oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days My guess is (someone tell me I’m wrong or right) is that using two flies is *only* illegal in flyfishing-only water. Is that right? If so, then it’s entirely reasonable. They wanted restrictive regs based on equipment (unfairly discriminatory, IMO), and they got it. If not, then it’s probably in line with regs for other types of fishing; i.e., they probably don’t allow two bait hooks, or two lures either. So, that seems OK as well. Down here, you can use two rods *except* on trout waters. Then it’s only one rod per person. JonCook.

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: Nevertheless, he is correct. : : Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is : illegal in BC. : : oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days My guess is (someone tell me I’m wrong or right) is that using two flies is *only* illegal in flyfishing-only water. Is that right?

No it is not right. The exact reg is that no one can use tackle that could possibly catch more than one fish at the same time. Some years back there was an exception for flyfishing that allowed the use of two flies on one leader. However it was revoked due "confusion". Many people did not understand exactly what flyfishing was and used 2 flies. 2 hunks of yarn on 2 trebles along with weights, gang trolls, trolling planars etc etc. . Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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[deleted] Down here, you can use two rods

[deleted] It’s not that hard either once you get the timing down… Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…lift right…mend left… What’s really tough is when you hook one… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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I thought it was Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…mend left and THEN lift right…drift…up left.  No wonder I keep getting them tangled! Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Down here, you can use two rods [deleted] It’s not that hard either once you get the timing down… Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…lift right…mend left… What’s really tough is when you hook one… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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Has anyone tried fly fishing for catfish? What type of flys did you use have suggestions.

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Has anyone tried fly fishing for catfish? What type of flys did you use have suggestions. Try hand grenades.  Be sure to use a tapered leader.

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  When I tied it on I didn’t really expect much, but then I wasn’t doing much with the regular fare anyway.  The egg pattern pulled the Rainbow out of the depths of a pool. Try it, what the heck!  If the dry flies and usual nymphs aren’t working, try anything!  You never know. Bob, Moss Landing, Ca.

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  

Hackle on an egg? I’ve tied a bunch of egg patterns and took the idea behind the "double egg sperm" salmon pattern I’ve seen.  I just tied a single egg in this case but put a couple of wisps of white marabou just in front of the egg.  I gave a handful of these to a friend and he did real well with them on a trip to the Trinity, CA area a couple of years ago.  His buddies were using "standard" egg patterns and they only caught smaller and fewer fish. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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What’s the difference between Glo-Bugs and Pautzkee’s ? A jar of glowbugs would cost $1,423.87 TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, thought about that a while ago. How do you fix the pom-balls on the hook, just superglue?? Thomas

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans.

This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski –Oh yeah, stocked rainbows love them, haven’t had much luck with natives. But I would imagine

during the rainbow spawning period, they would take them just like salmon do.  I’ve also caught suckers on them. Vince

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A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

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: Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern? Yes. : What conditions (time of year : water types, etc.) would be best?   Any water conditions, mostly when other fish are spawing. : What sort of presentation would be best? Dead drift is usually best but I do get quite a few fish on the swing. : Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Pretty much any fish should take a glo-bug. I catch and release hundreds of rainbows, dollies, whitefish and cutthroat every year with them. I’ve been fishing them the last 2 weeks, since the salmon started showing up, and have been averaging 20-25 rainbows and about the same in whitefish every afternoon I’ve been out (3-4 times per week). Largest rainbow landed so far has been about 5 lbs. Quite a few of them actually. Largest rainbow lost, about 10 lbs. (damn fluorocarbon tippet!!!!!). Brad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

This is also a popular method  used on the large British reservoirs/lakes. "Teams of flys"  specifically chosen for enticement and imitation. It defintely adds a new dimension to matching the hatch. Gary McMeekin

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity.

It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. Yippi Tie One On AuSable 1

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

Other trout will definitely take egg pattern. The best time starts right know with the start of the trout spawning season. Tie some trout eggs (e.g. salmon eggs with orange glow bug yarn in size18 or try Gary LaFontaines pattern in size 18-20) and fish it dead drift. The non spawning guys get crazy over it…. Thomas

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

Rainbows are big time egg eaters.  In rivers with spawning salmon they’ll hang below the redds waiting for eggs to drift out.  In other streams they’ll eat sucker and squawfish eggs.  In those streams your glo bug should be pretty small and the color muted.  A big, orange, salmon egg type pattern probably won’t do it.   Ross

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern?

All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. — -Wayne Trzyna

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I dunno what the numbers are, but it is my understanding that you are 3 times more likely to drown in Yellowstone then get eaten by a bear there. Have fun, TimW

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I dunno what the numbers are, but it is my understanding that you are 3 times more likely to drown in Yellowstone then get eaten by a bear there.

Also, if you are going to worry about the animals around here, *many* more people are gored by bison, often fatally, than get hurt by bears in Yellowstone.   Bear attacks in Yellowstone are extremely rare.  More people get kiled on the Gallatin Road driving to Yellowstone, you are more likely to die of a heart attack from working too hard carrying your float tube in a few miles, etc. It is worth taking the obvious precautions like raising your food cooler and cooking stuff up on a bear pole if you are camping on Shoshone Lake, but bear dangers are not high. Denbigh

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 I’m heading to Yellowstone in about 3 weeks. My partner wants to carry the  float tubes back to a couple of prime lakes, some with grayling. We’ll be  checking closely with the rangers, but I was wondering if any of you have  had any first hand experience there with bear sightings? It IS grizzly  country, after all…yikes! When my friend and his wife went there a few  years ago they WANTED to spot bears for photo ops, but never saw a one.

Although 2 to 5 bear attacks are experianced annually in Yellowstone, It is unlikely you will see a grizzly.  No firearms are allowed in the park. If you follow the recommended precautions with food, and a large enough group(making noise as your walking) you should be ok. you will more likely see alot of buffalo(respect them and keep your distance)

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I’ve heard that more people are attacked by moose each year than by bears.  In Yellowstone you are far more likely to be killed by a bisson than a bear.  Buy some spray if you want a bit of added security and wear a bell to prevent any close encounters.  Otherwise go have fun fishing, its an amazing place to catch trout.

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I saw a TV show on Alaska fly-fishing once where a fellow was into a large salmon for quite some time.  A Ranger came by and informed the gent he would have to leave the area temporarily as there was a grizzly bear coming.  The guy looked up to see the aforementioned grizzly a mere 100 yds upstream and coming his way.  He looked at his line, the end of which held the salmon of a lifetime, then looked back at the bear.  His hesitation caused the Ranger to again advise him of the gravity of the situation.  The man again looked longingly at his line and again at the closing bear.  The Ranger, becoming a tad more frantic in his demeanor, told the man more loudly and more forcefully that he should leave!  Once more the man struggled with his desire for the fish.  Finally, the Ranger unsheathed his knife and cut the anglers line, thus ending his inner turmoil.  Now THAT’S a true fly-fisher!!!

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No but I got chased and snapped at by a very angry swimmin cow moose while rafting near the headwaters to Earthquake Lake.  It was durin stonefly hatch and we think she had a calf in the willows. Only a paddle smack on the nose turned her away or she would have had the rubber raft.

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I’m heading to Yellowstone in about 3 weeks. My partner wants to carry the float tubes back to a couple of prime lakes, some with grayling. We’ll be checking closely with the rangers, but I was wondering if any of you have had any first hand experience there with bear sightings? It IS grizzly country, after all…yikes! When my friend and his wife went there a few years ago they WANTED to spot bears for photo ops, but never saw a one.

Don, You should check out the thread: bear repellent for Yellowstone   (38 long and counting) Does anyone have the stats for the number of bear attacks in North America or USA each year?  Im sure its not many considering the number of people that are constantly in bear country!   IMHO bears are not the horrible monsters most seem to preceive them as!  I planted trees for 5 months in several remote parts of Bristish Columbia one year.  (I was young and figured it was my last chance before hitting the real world) (I was right).  Bear encounters were very common.  Neither I or anyone else carried bells or anything like that. (all the foreman carried spray).  You were usually about a 1/4 mile from anyone else.  We never had a single problem that year! Usually the bears were more afraid of you than you of them, and took off.  At that time the company I worked for had not had a single attack in its 14 year history. I (and 3 others I was with) ran into a small griz in YNP last week. It really didnt seem to care that we were there and had obviously seen people before.  Yet, we keep hearing these stories of people treed in YNP by bears!?!  Maybe the bears in YNP get really irratated by all the people??  I know I did!  :)   (20 min traffic delays becuase there is a bear in view from the road) I will try to find the bear attack stats and post them.  In the meantime if you have some please post em! Enuff Rambling for Now, Jason

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I’m heading to Yellowstone in about 3 weeks. My partner wants to carry the float tubes back to a couple of prime lakes, some with grayling. We’ll be checking closely with the rangers, but I was wondering if any of you have had any first hand experience there with bear sightings? It IS grizzly country, after all…yikes! When my friend and his wife went there a few years ago they WANTED to spot bears for photo ops, but never saw a one.

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Hi Dave, Hear is another stream flow site, it covers the whole US: http://h2o.usgs.gov/swr/ Once you get to that page, then you select a state and from there…? Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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: Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the : rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish : there? : Regards, :       Bill

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there? Regards,    Bill

Hi Bill, Just out last Sunday on the Deschutes. It has calmed down alot since I first went out last month. I got a 17-inch native redside on a stonefly nymph. Alot of the bank vegitation has been either washed away or knocked down. I would say about 60% of it is gone. But I have bee fishing it three times in the last month and have had great succes on nymphs. I have seen very little hatch activity. The river flow now is about 5,000 cfs which is usually the max that you want to be fishing. Ideal is 3,000-4,000 cfs. You can call the PGE fish line at 503-464-7474 which will give you flow info on the Deschutes, Sandy, and Clackamas rivers. Right now the story on the D is nymphs and riffles. Good Luck Dan Root Portland, Oregon

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there?

Just talked to Cy Happy at Ray’s River Dories who floated the river on the 13th and 14th from Warm Springs to Maupin.  Flows were 5700cfs, the visibility was good at about 3 feet.  No visible hatches but Cy reported good fishing with stonefly nymphs. He mentioned that the fish were active and strong and showed few apparent effects from the strong stream flows earlier. He also cautioned boatmen that the river is different from before.  For example, there is a new large boulder in Whitehorse that has already claimed at least one boat

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there? Regards,         Bill

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there? Regards,        Bill

Check out this USGS website–gives you streamflow stats every half-hour, fresh from space.   http://wwworegon.wr.usgs.gov/rt dir/realtime/data/man.14103000.html (Work back from here for stats on other rivers.)

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  Its about time the flyfishing newsgroup made it big. Prodigy to my suprise has a new nationally televised commercial featuring flyfishing chat on the Internet. I hope we get many more folks online. If your on the net and a Flyfishing person                          Crystal Flats Guide Service                          Captain Cliff Fleming                          South Padre Island Texas

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:   Its about time the flyfishing newsgroup made it big. Prodigy to my : suprise has a new nationally televised commercial featuring flyfishing : chat on the Internet. I hope we get many more folks online. If your on the : net and a Flyfishing person I was under the impression that the advertisement was for a Prodigy group of ffing, probably called a forum.  There is a difference between online providers and the Internet and Usenet newsgroups and Online provider newsgroups. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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A while back I saw some info on the TMA on the Housatonic in Northern CT. including a phone number for latest info.  I hope to have a chance to fish there Sept. 10 and 11.  Any info and that phone number would be appreciated. Thanks. Tom G.

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To answer a previous inquiry, for information about fly fishing in the trout management area of the Housatonic River in northwestern Connecticut, try calling the Housatonic Meadows Fly Shop in Cornwall, Connecticut at 203-672-6064.  Good luck! Mark Melnick Stamford, Connecticut, USA

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To answer a previous inquiry, for information about fly fishing in the trout management area of the Housatonic River in northwestern Connecticut, try calling the Housatonic Meadows Fly Shop in Cornwall, Connecticut at 203-672-6064.  Good luck! Mark Melnick Stamford, Connecticut, USA

The owner of the HMFS is Phil .. Phil pointed out a nice spot for us this spring, and we ended up the day with a few nice smallmouth and a 16" rainbow, plus watched others get some nice ones. you can also look at the CT fishing page http://metro.turnpike.net/J/jfagan/index.html

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A while back I saw some info on the TMA on the Housatonic in Northern CT. including a phone number for latest info.  I hope to have a chance to fish there Sept. 10 and 11.  Any info and that phone number would be appreciated.

The best source is the Housatonic Fly Fishermen’s Association’s recording at 203 248-8616.  However, unless we get some good rain in the next week, you really should stay off the Housie:  water levels are too low and the water temperature is too hot, with the result that the fish get overstressed when caught and have a poor likelihood of survival even with the most caring resuscitation.  

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(203) 248-8616

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Haven’t been to river but my guess is it’s unfishable due to drought.Fish move to mouths of cold feeder creeks which are closed to fishing. Anyway, info number is 203 248 8616. Better bet is Farmington River from Riverton downstream to New Hartford. Water remains cold ’cause it’s dam-fed. Info number 860  738 7327. Brian Matthews

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Haven’t been to river but my guess is it’s unfishable due to drought.

I drove down Rte 7 along the TMA today, Saturday, 9/3, and stopped at a few places to look at the water.  I have never seen it so low; barely a trickle. Rocks I’d never seen before were fully exposed.  A couple of jerks were ffing in the Church Pool, but there seemed little risk that they’d catch anything.  Otherwise I think I would have jumped in and splashed around just to put down any trout that might have been thinking of lunch. This river should not be fished until after we’ve had some rain and cooler weather.

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