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Good Morning to all,     I have been lerking in this room for about a month now. I really enjoy the information passed and the whit that is flung around the room. I decided to finally make myself known so that I may contribute (what little I do know)if the need arises.     I have been fishing for most of my life, but did not get into fly fishing until about 3 or 4 years ago. I tie, but not too well. Practice makes perfect though. Retired from the military and trying to make my way in the civilian sector. So far, so good. Maryland resident working with frank reid. He told me about this group. Thanks Frank!     Anyways, I look forward to reading more. Dan Mattice Sr.

If you REALLY want to see a bunch of fly fishing junkies, go on over to ROFF  (rec.outdoors.fishing.fly)   — A question is better debated and left unanswered than a question that is answered without debate. -Unknown

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Dan,    Just saw this and welcome to the group.  Flytying is a wonderful diversion for those who like to experience a wider range of fly fishing activity.  Now, get back to work.  ;-)           Frank

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Good Morning to all,      I have been lerking in this room for about a month now. I really enjoy the information passed and the whit that is flung around the room. I decided to finally make myself known so that I may contribute (what little I do know)if the need arises.      I have been fishing for most of my life, but did not get into fly fishing until about 3 or 4 years ago. I tie, but not too well. Practice makes perfect though. Retired from the military and trying to make my way in the civilian sector. So far, so good. Maryland resident working with frank reid. He told me about this group. Thanks Frank!      Anyways, I look forward to reading more. Dan Mattice Sr.

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Can anyone give me some advice on a fly fishing life vest or personal floatation device? I’m interested in a model I can wear under my fishing vest when wading a river. I already purchased a standard vest, so hopefully the response isn’t to buy a vest with a floatation ballon built in (if they even manufacture something like that). What do people use when wading a river? Obviously, price isn’t really an issue… Thanks, Ryan

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http://www.sospenders.com/models.html Look about halfway down the screen. I’d go with a manual (pull the lanyard) model. /daytripper (standard disclaimers apply) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can anyone give me some advice on a fly fishing life vest or personal floatation device? I’m interested in a model I can wear under my fishing vest when wading a river. I already purchased a standard vest, so hopefully the response isn’t to buy a vest with a floatation ballon built in (if they even manufacture something like that). What do people use when wading a river? Obviously, price isn’t really an issue… Thanks, Ryan

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Cabela’s and Pro Bass carry the Sospenders.  I got mine from Orvis a couple of years ago when the sold out at 50% off.  These things are great for tubing as you don’t even know they are on.  I think they have two sizes and the smaller is ok for most applications. DP

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone give me some advice on a fly fishing life vest or personal floatation device? I’m interested in a model I can wear under my fishing vest when wading a river. I already purchased a standard vest, so hopefully the response isn’t to buy a vest with a floatation ballon built in (if they even manufacture something like that). What do people use when wading a river? Obviously, price isn’t really an issue… Thanks, Ryan

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In the case of overseas contributions there would obviously be some exceptions. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan, leaving mailing to the last week is fraught with danger IMO … too too easy to overcommit, or have some circumstance intervene, and some of us have a little distance to send the blighters .  Perhaps a fortnight or 3 weeks?  Even then there will still be drop-outs. Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25___X__ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14__X____ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

my two cents worth Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40__yes___ 20 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___yes___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__yes____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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Frank, First, may I start by saying a big thank you for organising the last swap. As a reader of only 4 months standing of this newsgroup (or any newsgroup for that matter) I have enjoyed immeasurably the opportunity to tie so many flies.  I am not a production machine and cannot tie 100+ flies at one sitting (in fact I feel rather pleased if I do about 6 in an hour).  However it has given a focus for my tying and I have really enjoyed the anticipation of receiving the work of so many fellow tiers.  I for one never want to tie another Iron Blue Dun, but if I do I know a. it will take less time than before, b. I will not have to look up the pattern, and c. I’m likely to end up with a  tidier looking fly than before. My Reply to your survey Frank: Q1.    25. See above comment. Also the fewer the numbers, the lower the drop out rate, as people are more likely to meet this commitment. Q2.    21 Days is more than enough. Even for someone who is regularly away, I can usually get to a computer to download messages, and hence sign up for the swap in this time. Q3.    45 Days. To allow postage time from all over the globe. My penny’s worth. Again thanks for the experience. — Alex Bromham

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Frank, First, may I start by saying a big thank you for organising the last swap.

Thanks for the kind words Alex, you guys need to realize I’m getting more fun out of this than ya’ll are.  Your input on the survey is also appreciated, and I will keep all the replies in mind, then do it how I dang well please. (that’s my dark side coming out) <g At some point in the near future, like after the swap is completed, I will post a "lessons learned" missive for the enlightenment of all concerned. Frank Church

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Hi Frank Decision as to size show be up to swiepmeister. How much work is he willing to do. A short signup time – 7 days is enough. Bigger the swap – the longer is needed. 60 days for 40 flies seems about right! Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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Frank: I had to throw my 2 cents in also. Anxiously awaiting in Wyoming Bob | 1. How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* | consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) | 25____ | 30___X__ | 35_____ | 40_____ | more than 40_____ | | 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? | 14__X____ | 21______ | 30______ | | 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to | me? | 30_____ | 45__X____ | 60______ |

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Frank Wrote seeking our opinions on future fly swaps. I would go for 25 fliews to tie and 30 days to tie the flies after a week to sign up. Big Dale

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Although I haven’t yet participated in a ROFF swap yet, I would like to, time dependant.  Here are my answers to the survey: I have no preference as to the number of tyers, but a good "completion time" period seems to be a ratio, rather than a fixed number – around 1.5 days per tyer, with minimums.  If there are, say 30 tyers, 45 days would seem to be about right and if say, 40 tyers, 60 days.  It would seem if international tyers are in the swap, 45 days would also seem about the minimum to allow for arrival, if all the tyers are in one country, 30 days would seem a minimum, even if just 12-18 tyers.  As to the number of sign-up days, I’m not sure why there needs to be a set period other than as proposed by the swapmeister, and so, therefore, I proxy my vote to the swapmeister.

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Based on the replies I have seen so far, and trying to average out the results, it would seem that lowering the number of tyers is in order, and the time for signup dependant upon the number of participants sought.  Even at 40 tyers this year, I had to turn away several more.  Today, whilst awaiting the remaining 2 yet to arrive (and you know who you are!)   Yes, footdraggers extraordinaire.  I began addressing, labeling and otherwise trying to put things in order before the grand event, ie: sorting all these flies and trying not to get stuck. Another trip to the PO tomorrow as I still am short about 10 mailing boxes.  Because of the weather on the east coast, I was to be on the road today to Evington, VA. but am delayed leaving until Tuesday.  Which means I will be back home by late Wed. 7 March. Consequently, all parcels will be mailed not later than Thursday 8 March. Here is what I am leaning towards in subsequent swaps: Maximum 30 tyers 14 day signup, or 30 tyers, whichever comes first 45 days to deadline, as calculated from the end of signup For those that don’t make the cut in January, someone else can host a swap later in the year…be my guest! :-0 Frank Church

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40__X___ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21___X___ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45___X___ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

who’s doing a great job, by the way! Thanks Frank, Herman —         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Stan, leaving mailing to the last week is fraught with danger IMO … too too easy to overcommit, or have some circumstance intervene, and some of us have a little distance to send the blighters .  Perhaps a fortnight or 3 weeks?  Even then there will still be drop-outs. Steve

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I found there was no reward for my diligence in getting my flies in early! Frank, if you could put in a couple for the clave and send the rest back to me, I’d apprecate it.  I know of a few steelhead I want to show my Pinl Ladies to. Peter Collin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25__XX___ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14_XX_____ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45__XX____ 60______ 4. Should nymphomaniac female fly fishers get extra flys in the swap since

they are "just learning"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -yes_____ no______ let’s see their offerings first___XX__ only if Stan posts photos______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____

20 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___X___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many)

Aside from concern for the swapmeister, quantity wasn’t a big deal for me. Because I’m still honing what few skills I have, being forced to tie a LOT of flies was actually a good thing for me this time.   Just for sheer time & quantites of material, however, more than 40 would be quite a burden for some, I’d expect.   30 seems like a nice number. 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up?

14.   Anybody who can’t make up their mind in two weeks is going to have a tough time getting their flies tied on time <g. 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me?

That would depend on question #1 wouldn’t it?   60 days was comfortable for me to tie 40 flies; but I was done early so I’ll say 45 days. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30___X__ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21___X___ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45____X__ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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1.  How many people…..

The more the merrier 2.  How many days…..

Swapmeisters discretion 3.  How many days…..

Ditto. Wolfgang

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many)

30 works for me. 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up?

14.  Hell, it took less time than that to get 40 tiers this time, didn’t it? 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me?

45 Keith

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30__X___ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___X___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25____Y 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____   2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14_____Y 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45_____Y 60______

Steve

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. 25__X__ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14__X___ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X___ I think the major problem we have is too long a lag from signup to delivery and thus the 5-6 dropouts we’ve seen in the last two swaps.  I would suggest a 30 day window for tying and mailing but suggest that nobody mail them in until the last week.  At that time we should ask again who’s in and out and we can adjust the final count before mailing in so many extras.  I don’t mind tying extras, when I’m in production mode, I tie a dozen or so extras for my fly box anyways.  I like the idea of making a set or two for handing out as a clave donation, but 5-6 is pushing it. –Stan

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I have updated my site designed around collecting, fishing, and repair of bamboo and fiberglass fly rods. I have new articles, stories, photos, and information. The forum is a good source of information about the above topics, and there is a board to get a free appraisal as well as a board to list classic tackle that you have for sale or you wish to buy, which is also free. You can visit the site at  http://www.clarksrods.com Hope you enjoy the site. Regards Clark

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Nice site. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have updated my site designed around collecting, fishing, and repair of bamboo and fiberglass fly rods. I have new articles, stories, photos, and information. The forum is a good source of information about the above topics, and there is a board to get a free appraisal as well as a board to list classic tackle that you have for sale or you wish to buy, which is also free. You can visit the site at  http://www.clarksrods.com Hope you enjoy the site. Regards Clark

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Now *that* is a nice site! Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have updated my site, added many new graphics, information, stories, improved the forum, and added some rods to the list that are for sale or trade. If you are interested in collecting, fishing, or repairing classic fly rods, you might be interested in visiting the site. The url is http://www.clarksrods.com  Hope you enjoy the site, and if you have any suggestions for improvement, please email me.

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I have updated my site, added many new graphics, information, stories, improved the forum, and added some rods to the list that are for sale or trade. If you are interested in collecting, fishing, or repairing classic fly rods, you might be interested in visiting the site. The url is http://www.clarksrods.com  Hope you enjoy the site, and if you have any suggestions for improvement, please email me.

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I GOT IT!  The worst insult on ROFF: "Gink for brains"

I like that mucho.

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Certainly explains a lot. Floatant instead of brains. No wonder some get light headed. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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Has anyone any experience flyfishing in Puerto Penasco(Rocky Point), Sonora?  Is it worth a trip from Phoenix? Thanks. Mike Jarvis

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Not much personal experience I do know the Desert Flycasters usually take a trip once a year to fish sea trout in the estuaries.  Usually in Nov, / Dec.  I believe any sardine / anchovy type streamer should work. My experience was with spinning using small spoons.  I caught a variety of fish, some I couldn’t identify. I have heard of some brave hearted fellows flyfishing off pelican point in float tubes for trigger fish.  Don’t get caught in the current – could be a long swim to shore. — William Endicott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone any experience flyfishing in Puerto Penasco(Rocky Point), Sonora?  Is it worth a trip from Phoenix? Thanks. Mike Jarvis

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What about streams and rivers ina around yellowstone?

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I’m planning to visit Yellowstone NP in the second half of June.  Does anyone have any suggestions for flyfishing locations, techniques, or patterns during this time of year? Thanks. — John Stoeckel

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Float tube on Yellowstone Lake for Cutthroats w/ bead head wooly buggers

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Stop by Park’s Fly shop in Gardiner, Mont., at the north entrance of the Park. some of the nicest folks you could ask for — not the usual pushy "salesmen" you will find. They will give you a Park map, and even mark it for you. Find Indian Creek, and take a bunch of sturdy hoppers. You can fish most of this stream from the bank, with little or no problem from overhangs. Everytime I’ve fished this beautiful stream, I’ve had great luck. Not many monsters, but a super site with lots of action. Have a great trip !!! Don Hurst

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Kelley730 writes: Float tube on Yellowstone Lake for Cutthroats w/ bead head wooly buggers

You’ll have to wait til July to do that, unless they’ve changed the regs. Lewis Lake is open, though, and the same strategy should work.   Bring some stonefly dry patterns too. CQ

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bring your wet suit and kayak. —

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I am planning a trip to fish some private section of Spruce Creek, PA in April.  Since I’m new to this area, I don’t know what to expect…conditions, hatches, etc.  Any info would be appreciated. Hal Goodrich

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I am planning a trip to fish some private section of Spruce Creek, PA in April.  Since I’m new to this area, I don’t know what to expect…conditions, hatches, etc.  Any info would be appreciated. Hal Goodrich

I think that Doug Swisher filmed some of his 3M videos on Spruce Creek. If you could rent or buy these videos they will give you some insight. Fly Fishing Strategies and Advanced Fly Fishing Strategies are the titles. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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 Muskie, I understand the women in Bikinis..but Why would you want to see T-bone in high heels?  Of course, T-bone clad in Simms neoprenes and wearing 5 inch spike pumps; releasing a 20" brown trout on the Green River; would make a hellava intresting cover for Rod & Reel…;) I’ll E-mail this idea to Jim Butler, I think he’s still on-line..;) ..S.E.

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I’m beginning to like the sound of this new newsgroup…but the name has got to go.   Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW

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 Muskie, I understand the women in Bikinis..but Why would you want to see T-bone in high heels?  Of course, T-bone clad in Simms neoprenes and wearing 5 inch spike pumps; releasing a 20" brown trout on the Green River; would make a hellava intresting cover for Rod & Reel…;) I’ll E-mail this idea to Jim Butler, I think he’s still on-line..;) ..S.

Releasing ?  My ass. TimW

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I’m beginning to like the sound of this new newsgroup…but the name has got to go. Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW

Tim- You forgot _fetish_ — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I’m beginning to like the sound of this new newsgroup…but the name has got to go. Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing.

Subscribe me in! Tapani

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<Women in bikinis snipped Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW

NO ! Think of the impact of a newsgroup like this ! 1. Psychedelic flies 2. Nude flyfishing (See my fishing partners and understand the concern) 3. Rubber and leather flyvests 4. Fur lined handcuffs replacing zingers 5. LSD based Gink 6. Streamers used to facilitate body piercing 7. Latex flies 8. Indian cane rods making a comeback (used with the handcuffs) 9. Synchronised casting sessions to the beat of Pearl Jam 10 The degradation of flyfishing to the extent that the phrase "Would you like to    go flyfishing with me" has the same amount of credibility as "How about a cup    of coffee", or the ever popular "Were out of gas". 8^) Bruce….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <Women in bikinis snipped Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW NO ! Think of the impact of a newsgroup like this ! 1. Psychedelic flies 2. Nude flyfishing (See my fishing partners and understand the concern) 3. Rubber and leather flyvests 4. Fur lined handcuffs replacing zingers 5. LSD based Gink

You talk like these are bad things… TimW

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NO ! Think of the impact of a newsgroup like this ! 7. Latex flies

Hey!  Don’t dis my latex flies ’til you’ve fished em! Charley

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All, Why not just create a T-bone ng? This way people can rag about Tim’s controversial positions without having to sift through boring stuff about fly fishing. Just think, matching wits with "the Bone" in his own ng! Like him, hate him, indifferent? It just doesn’t matter! Maybe it would save time to just change this group from .fly to .bone!

You all take TBone way too seriously. I have read his BS for a year or so on this BB. It occurred to me a while ago that TBone isn’t really obsessed with Fly Fishing issues. What he’s really obsessed with is getting attention on the internet. He makes it sound like he is a totally posessed fly fisherman… I think not. He’s really posessed with making a scene on this BB. I bet he fishes once in a great while and stays glued to  his computer most of the time. Whats the big deal as regards to catch and release? GO FISHING…let most of them go, and keep a few once in a while if it suits you. It isn’t an advanced philosophy course..its fishing, and by God, its supposed to be FUN. Sorry for the long winded speech. I just get tired of TBones grandstanding. He’s wasted alot of folks time on this BB over the years. Have a great fly tying season! Dale Owens

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[deleted] You all take TBone way too seriously. I have read his BS for a year or so on this BB. It occurred to me a while ago that TBone isn’t really obsessed with Fly Fishing issues. What he’s really obsessed with is getting attention on the internet. He makes it sound like he is a totally posessed fly fisherman… I think not. He’s really posessed with making a scene on this BB. I bet he fishes once in a great while and stays glued to  his computer most of the time. Whats the big deal as regards to catch and release? GO FISHING…let most of them go, and keep a few once in a while if it suits you. It isn’t an advanced philosophy course..its fishing, and by God, its supposed to be FUN. Sorry for the long winded speech. I just get tired of TBones grandstanding. He’s wasted alot of folks time on this BB over the years. Have a great fly tying season! Dale Owens

Thank you, Doctor Dale… TimW

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup"

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup"

AAAAHHHH BITCH BITCH BITCH, MOAN MOAN MOAN!!         Don’t forget WHINE WHINE WHINE! Mike

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup"

You read only the tripe of others bitching and moaning about me. TimW

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup" You read only the tripe of others bitching and moaning about me. TimW

Hubris Alert!

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: All, : Why not just create a T-bone ng? Could be done. It would probably have to be one of those "alt" groups. Usenet would never take something like that seriously. ;- Jon Porter

        wouldn’t it be fair to say that this would be a clear example of a ng that only a mutha could love?         a. wayne harrison

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    As for TV, the media’s not ready for T-Bone.    Mitch You’re saying T-Bone is a TV?  I thought we’d already discussed this! cheers,         -tgades

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…Anyone ever seen T-bone? Is he too ugly for "mass media" in America? …..People who can’t be out "steelheading" want to know?….;)

T-Bone looks like, well, a cross between Phil Donahue and Tom Sellek… Keeps his mustache well-stocked with lunch… and can dress up sneakers better than just about anyone… As for TV, the media’s not ready for T-Bone. Mitch

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Why not just create a T-bone ng? This way people can rag about Tim’s controversial positions without having to sift through boring stuff about fly fishing. Just think, matching wits with "the Bone" in his own ng! Like him, hate him, indifferent? It just doesn’t matter! Maybe it would save time to just change this group from .fly to .bone!

NOOOOOOOO! I’d rather see T-bone have any interactive T.V.show. Sort of a cross, between "The Red Green Show" and Ricky Lake.  Then; there could be a fan club. Then a website…WWW.T-Bone. com…where you can buy T-shirts,fishing hats, T-bone hand-tied flies, his "World Famous Home-brew, and the New limited edition.. T-bone Grand Cherokee.  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) One problem..Anyone ever seen T-bone? Is he too ugly for "mass media" in America? …..People who can’t be out "steelheading" want to know?….;)

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:  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; : Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America : great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a : "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk : about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) Ummm…  I’ve got nine of them.  I collect lasers like y’all collect rods. And I would boycott the show if you did not talk a little art to the folks at home. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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:  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; : Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America : great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a : "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk : about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) Ummm…  I’ve got nine of them.  I collect lasers like y’all collect rods.

Hey Rick, design a little midge tracking laser system will ya…? I can’t see the little bastards anymore… And I would boycott the show if you did not talk a little art to the folks at home.

We’ll get Tryzna and fart all damn day, if ya want.  Oh, art.  Nevermind ! TimW

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– Chaz Clover "Welcome To Earth!" Will Smith : NOOOOOOOO! I’d rather see T-bone have any interactive T.V.show. : Sort of a cross, between "The Red Green Show" and Ricky Lake. Thats GREAT!  Super idea! :  Then; there could be a fan club. I nominate Powsland for pres! Then a website…WWW.T-Bone. : com…where you can buy T-shirts,fishing hats, T-bone hand-tied flies, : his "World Famous Home-brew, and the New limited edition.. T-bone Grand : Cherokee. I’d like to bid on this web site contract.  I’ll do a world-class job for a percentage of the net:-) :  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; : Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America : great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a : "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk : about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) Could I do a spot on Bad Flyfishing Haiku? We could make a religion out of him too!  The Church of the Assumptuous Presumption.  Instead of Eucharist we could all sit around and have a Shore Lunch of fresh-caught brookies!  Yum! </chaz

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Question:

Mike and Sue Solgat of the Fish Connection in Gardnerville, NV — a fly fishing specialty shop — produce regular fishing reports for the "Fish Sniffer."  I help type and submit them.  If there is interest, I’ll post abbreviated versons for the Carson Pass/Alpine County and Western Nevada areas.  Or you can call "The Fish Connection" direct at (702) 782-4734 for the latest information.  We have some great fly fishing up here, so come up and check it out.       Let me know if you’re interested in reports.  e-mail me: Dick Hubbard,

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(RICHARD HUBBARD ) writes:

I help produce a N California flyfishing report that is fax’d to interested parties in the San Francisco Bay Area.  Your info will be most helpful.  You can send info e-mail or fax to Fish First ! 510/528-2613

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