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OH! Shuckie Darn!  I really wasn’t trying to be mean Wolfman.  Just a

Well……hack hack……that’s mighty kind of ya pard…….cough…..hack…..but I’m afraid it’s too late……cough……I think your morbiferous prose has done me proemial manifestations showed up right away…..cough……don’t fret none though……Wayno’s looking into the noxal ramifications…..groan……but by the time the summons arrives I ’spect I’ll have given in to geotaxis…..if ya know what I

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 Last Words     "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."   — Thomas Burnett, in a cell phone conversation with his wife before his hijacked plane crashed. This last call, by Tom Burnett to the love  of his life,  represented actually three worthy men who were about to do something marvelous Charlie.  They put their lives on the line to save (without them even knowing it) THE WHITEHOUSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!   Three men out of nearly three hundred people on four different aircraft stood up to be counted.  My heart and appreciation of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die.  I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free. You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world.

You stupid twisted shithead. You have no idea who knew what. The men on the plane over PA *did* know what had happened to the earlier planes and certainly were heros. You limit your praise to just 3 but again you have no fucking clue. I know it is pointless to try to explain even simple things to you, but it is difficult to stand by while anyone, even an obviously insane idiot, maligns good people and their families. You are truly pathetic. — Charlie…

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of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die. I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free.

George, I KNOW men who are NOT Marines (as much as I respect and love them, the Marines that is) who would gladly have attempted the same thing. Your pontificating as to the others who may (or may not) have tried to thwart the hijackings is beyond belief. You, sir, are an idiot. And like Op said, I would definitely say this to your face. Like the motto from one of America’s finest naval fighter squadrons…..Anytime, Anyplace Baby. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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Last Words     "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."

        if only they were *your* last words, instead of that fine man who uttered them.         fuck you, george. a. wayne harrison

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne?

Regrettably, you don’t appear to be on the side of sanity. May I suggest unwrapping your hand from your dick, taking your medications, and honoring that promise you made to leave ROFF? Oh, wait, "promise, Gerkhe," bad match. — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley

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For the last few years I have mainly lurked on this group and listened to you shoot your mouth off. But when you say that Wayne is on the side of the terrorists you are TALKING THRU YOUR ASS BECAUSE YOUR MOUTH KNOWS BETTER. YOU WOULDN’T KNOW A REAL MAN IF HE JUMPED UP AND BIT YOU IN THE ASS. PLEASE KEEP YOUR PROMISE AND LEAVE ROFF. Kim James

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George, F.O.A.D.

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

        george, do yourself and all the rest of us a true favor.  sit down and review every single response to every single post you have made in the days since the 9/11 tragedy.  what are these people trying to tell you, george?  without exception, they are doing everything in their literary power to force, or even beg, you to leave this group. you exist here only as a laughing stock or a source of enmity, depending upon your mood and the nature of your posts, 99% of which are mindless drivel.         it is simply amazing that your egomania prevents you from seeing the truth.         where are your supporters, george?  you are a sick, lonely man.  please leave. a.w.h.

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   george, do yourself and all the rest of us a true favor.  sit down and review every single response to every single post you have made in the days since the 9/11 tragedy.  what are these people trying to tell you, george?  without exception, they are doing everything in their literary power to force, or even beg, you to leave this group. you exist here only as a laughing stock or a source of enmity, depending upon your mood and the nature of your posts, 99% of which are mindless drivel.    it is simply amazing that your egomania prevents you from seeing the truth.    where are your supporters, george?  you are a sick, lonely man.  please leave. a.w.h.

I’ve kept myself out of this so far, and after this I will do so again. What he said. PLEASE GO AWAY GEORGE!! —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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I agree with Wayne, Charlie, Charles and others. Most of us usually just put up with your asinine comments and tolerate the fact that you’re the biggest asshole on ROFF. This time you’ve managed to insult the memories of all who died on those planes with your ill-informed comments. PLEASE, keep your promise to go away and never come back. Maybe we make a deal. You don’t show your ignorant face around her again, and we won’t try and organize a boycott of the fishing products you sell….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last Words "I know we’re all going to die – there’s three of us who are going to do something about it."   — Thomas Burnett, in a cell phone conversation with his wife before his hijacked plane crashed. This last call, by Tom Burnett to the love  of his life,  represented actually three worthy men who were about to do something marvelous Charlie.  They put their lives on the line to save (without them even knowing it) THE WHITEHOUSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!   Three men out of nearly three hundred people on four different aircraft stood up to be counted.  My heart and appreciation of these three men will stay with me forever and until the day I die. I’ve known Marines like this and these are the men who help keep America free. You disgust me Charlie and you deny truths this country should understand if it is to survive in this new world. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg         well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next!

cough, cough, hack, sputter…….he hurt me wayno……i…..i…..cough, cough…..groan…..uncle wally……is that you? Wolfgang hanging on by a thread in the probably vain hope that the restorative waters of the great smokies will restore my wa.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg         well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next! cough, cough, hack, sputter…….he hurt me wayno……i…..i…..cough, cough…..groan…..uncle wally……is that you?

OH! Shuckie Darn!  I really wasn’t trying to be mean Wolfman.  Just a sick sense of humor.  Remember this ole siren, even an ugly duckling turns into a SWAN! Thing is, you’re just like them when they fly.  Flap, flap, flap . . . Me?  I can’t even get off the ground.  Frogs can’t fly. Which reminds me.  Do you know the difference beween a frog and a horny frog? YOU:  "No George.  What’s the difference between a regular frog and a horny frog? A regular frog goes, "Rib-it!  RIB-IT!"  A horny frog goes, "Rub-it! RUB-IT!" Hang tough Wolfgang. Wolfgang hanging on by a thread in the probably vain hope that the restorative waters of the great smokies will restore my wa.

Just look for the frogs Wolfgang. George who hangs around rivers

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

        well, that one really blew poor wolfie away!  damn, and i really enjoyed some of his stuff… wayno, hoping i’m not next!

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I bet that screwed up face of yours got that way from being friendly? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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It seems you’re on the side of terrorists Wayne? Kiss it baby. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

wayno, I apologize for stepping on your toes…and sure, it may be a troll… I almost wish I wasn’t doing this, but after a long, hard week, I was treated with a civilised drink, dinner, wine, and all the trimmings, including several after-dinner drinks, just me and my SO – well, mostly, anyway.  Blame it on exhaustion, or simply having had enough of it all, but George, I feel downright psychic – if I ever have the displeasure of coming face to face with you, I can see you shitting teeth, dentures, or whatever else fills the sorry cakehole that passes for your mouth.

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Do you doubt truth?

I’ll bet you sometimes wonder where those teeth marks on your ass come from, right? Wolfgang cowering in anticipation of the blithering retort

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I sincerely hope those are his final words.

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Do you doubt truth? All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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Maybe we make a deal. You don’t show your ignorant face around her again, and we won’t try and organize a boycott of the fishing products you sell….

Oops.  Too late. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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You know Wayne, it is amazing to many who stalk Roff around the world that you along with other Easterners (and they know who they are) that "your click of trollers" have been figured out a long time now.  Some things you say is not true.  Yes, have specific opinions about matters regarding the World Trade Center but they are only opinions.  That it is my opinion that the terrorists on all four aircraft should have been challenged and fought with by the male population (customers) on those flights remains intact.  I cannot accept any excuse, even in the face of death or getting hurt that more men didn’t challenge them. Of course I wasn’t there, of course you weren’t there, but my opinions are just as justifiable as yours or anyone else’s.   I

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In his book, "Path of the Paddle," Bill Mason states that even though mfrs. will tell you that shallow-arch, shallow-vee or round-bottomed boats have better secondary stability than flat-bottomed canoes, he believes that flat-bottom boats perform just as well. Of course, he probably preferred traditional, canvas-wood canoes that were more likely flat-bottomed. I like paddling on lakes and rivers with my wife, but the majority of the time I spend in my canoe is fishing, so that takes top priority. By some standards, my canoe isn’t even really a canoe. It’s a barge. It’s a 19- foot, square-stern Grumman. It has a flat-bottom. I also have a sail rig for this canoe and have had it out in 2-3 foot chop, sailing, heeled over. It hasn’t come close to swamping. I routinely stand up in it while fishing. My 17 year-old son and his buddy both stand up in it at the same time. In fact, he told me that three of them were standing up in it the last time they went out.  Fools…  It is st Before you buy.

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A canoe is a long narrow boat with fine entry and exit for paddling. A kayak is a low freeboard canoe usually decked over. You can get close to a canoe with narrow flat bottom double ended pirogue(?) or a skiff (with a transom). I designed and built a narrow skiff for light weight paddling and sailing. (There’s a writeup in file dogskiff.txt at website www.ncf.ca/~ag384.) A flat bottom boat with raked sides has reserve bouyancy. Mine is quite stable with 15 deg rake. I made a hoop tent to go over it and sleep in it. The idea is to be able to go where there are no campsites to get away from crowded canoe routes and noisy death-seeking kayakers. In his book, "Path of the Paddle," Bill Mason states that even though mfrs. will tell you that shallow-arch, shallow-vee or round-bottomed boats have better secondary stability than flat-bottomed canoes, he believes that flat-bottom boats perform just as well. Of course, he probably preferred traditional, canvas-wood canoes that were more likely flat-bottomed.

the original native bark canoes had round bottoms and were very unstable. when we were little we were not allowed to go in the canoe because it was considered too dangerous. we got to play around in a rowboat. I like paddling on lakes and rivers with my wife, but the majority of the time I spend in my canoe is fishing, so that takes top priority. By some standards, my canoe isn’t even really a canoe. It’s a barge. It’s a 19- foot, square-stern Grumman. It has a flat-bottom. I also have a sail rig for this canoe and have had it out in 2-3 foot chop, sailing, heeled over. It hasn’t come close to swamping. I routinely stand up in it while fishing. My 17 year-old son and his buddy both stand up in it at the same time. In fact, he told me that three of them were standing up in it the last time they went out.  Fools…  It is st

there are some good photos of a canoe under sail at the American Canoe Association website www.acanet.org – they hold canoe sailing regattas Before you buy.

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I must have been too long-winded;) My first message got cut short. I continue: The Grumman is stable as a rock. I suspect that some of this is due to it’s length. It is also almost 40-inches wide. However, it weighs a ton (120+ pounds). My wife doesn’t like paddling it too far because of the weight, and I ruptured a disk, so I’ve been thinking about adding another, much lighter canoe to the stable. I’ll have to get a trailer for the Grumman . I’ve paddled a friend’s 16-foot Old Town Penobscot that was way more tippy than I’d like for fishing. Every cast was an adventure for the other occupant. It was, however, a nice, fast canoe for day-touring. I test paddled a Wenonah Fisherman which is nice and light, and I thought would be quite stable. It was okay. But considering the width, (38-39 inches), I was not impressed with its stability. It’s only 14 feet long. A Mad River Revelation was much more stable than the Fisherman (which surprised me), and I have done quite a bit of fish Before you buy.

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This is really weird. It must be because I’m using Deja News. I continue: fishing out of this boat, but it doesn’t compare to the Grumman for stability. It’s 40 pounds lighter, but still more weight than I’d like. My question is, has anyone tried an Old Town Camper or Pathfinder? They are flat-bottomed. Do they have really bad secondary stability? or was Bill Mason right? I know what the literature says. I would like someone who is speaking from experience. The Camper weighs less than 60 LBS, so would be a nice light-weight option, but I have not yet found one to try out. Does anyone have a better recommendation? I wouldn’t want anything heavier the Revelation, and I don’t even think I want to go that heavy. Plus… I want initial stability that is at least as good as the Revelation, and would prefer something approaching that of the Grumman. Any ideas?? — Have a good day! L Rochester Before you buy.

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My question is, has anyone tried an Old Town Camper or Pathfinder? They are flat-bottomed. Do they have really bad secondary stability? or was Bill Mason right? I know what the literature says. I would like someone who is speaking from experience. Any ideas??

I’ve had my camper for at least 7 years(maybe more…the past is fuzzy). Before that I paddled a 17′ aluminum Grumman Eagle. I made my choice (chosing the Camper over the Penobscott) because of the age of my kids at that time. I wanted something stable so my toddlers could move around the boat. I knew that I wouldn’t be able to do a lot of heavy whitewater paddling until the kids got some age so I settled on the Camper. The only time I regret my decision is when I want to go fast on flatwater… It’s not exactly a speed demon. Stability ?  My favorite position is slouched against my seat back ( the plastic ones work great) with my long legs (I’m 6′5") hanging over the thwart or the sides. I’ll kneel (or at least sit up a little) for rapids, but that seems to be the only time lateral stability is an issue(it is still a canoe). As far as secondary stability, it will lean quite a bit, but keep your low brace handy. I’ve often wondered if there could possibly be an easier boat and if the trade-off for other features would be worth it( I still lust for a Penobscott 16). The kids are growing up, rolling their own boats, and not satisfied with class II water anymore. My Camper handles class III well enough, but there’s not really enough freeboard to stay dry in big waves. I think the aesthetics of the design make for a really cool,traditional look, but it also makes a big target when the wind is blowing. I’ve got to find a boat for bigger water, but I won’t be trading in for it. I wouldn’t be able to part with my Camper. It sounds like a model that could serve your purposes well.Good Luck Ted Bost

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My question is, has anyone tried an Old Town Camper or Pathfinder? They are flat-bottomed. Do they have really bad secondary stability? or was Bill Mason right? I know what the literature says. I would like someone who is speaking from experience. Any ideas?? I’ve had my camper for at least 7 years(maybe more…the past is fuzzy). Before that I paddled a 17′ aluminum Grumman Eagle. I made my choice (chosing the Camper over the Penobscott) because of the age of my kids at

well, here’s a vote for the Penobscot for a fishing canoe, but in fishing, I’m thinking flyfishing from a kneeling position….where the secondary stability gave me a wide *envelope* in which to rock around with. *(…and another one of Steve’s flyfishing LoG_CaBiN StOrIeS): I once had an extremely shallow-arched, 12footer of the unstable_to_the_max variety….talk about speed in getting to where you wanted to be, yes… but it was exciting…NOT in the way anyone wants…just throwing normal back/forward casts…with arm movement only.. I was dancing-on-the-edge of staying upright versus an instantaneous dip….whew..NOT FUN!:-)..BUT in the heat of summer..didn’t seem like all that a disasterous proposition. *(ahem, yes back to business!:-) The original poster might demo something in fiberglass, as a wide barge-style canoe in plastic will handle like the latest cruise_liner As always, the magic word….demo! tight_lines, steve *Hey while on the topic of excitement via a tippy canoe…any *war-stories*?

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To each his own but I think that you could easily fish out of a Penobscot. Maybe not two people standing.  I have a 16 and there are a LOT more unstabel boats than a 16.  It has a lot of secondary stability,  I took some guide courses in a disco 158(similar to a camper) and when you got it leaned a little to far you were wet NOW.  The Penobscot is a lot faster and better handling boat than the 158,  

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War Stories!!! When I first got my Wildfire  was unable to reenter from deep water.  I fell out in a local tidal creek and ended up swimming with the boat a long way in a head wind.  I could barely stand when reaching the shore.

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Have you tried canoe stabilizers? . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My question is, has anyone tried an Old Town Camper or Pathfinder? They are flat-bottomed. Do they have really bad secondary stability? or was

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There is a rigid hull foldable inflatable canoe which is highly stable, fast, very maneuverable that I have used for fishing in small , big rivers and lakes, standing up in the boat. You can find information about it at www.oviboat.com Roger  Sansoucy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A canoe is a long narrow boat with fine entry and exit for paddling. A kayak is a low freeboard canoe usually decked over. You can get close to a canoe with narrow flat bottom double ended pirogue(?) or a skiff (with a transom). I designed and built a narrow skiff for light weight paddling and sailing. (There’s a writeup in file dogskiff.txt at website www.ncf.ca/~ag384.) A flat bottom boat with raked sides has reserve bouyancy. Mine is quite stable with 15 deg rake. I made a hoop tent to go over it and sleep in it. The idea is to be able to go where there are no campsites to get away from crowded canoe routes and noisy death-seeking kayakers. In his book, "Path of the Paddle," Bill Mason states that even though mfrs. will tell you that shallow-arch, shallow-vee or round-bottomed boats have better secondary stability than flat-bottomed canoes, he believes that flat-bottom boats perform just as well. Of course, he probably preferred traditional, canvas-wood canoes that were more likely flat-bottomed. the original native bark canoes had round bottoms and were very unstable. when we were little we were not allowed to go in the canoe because it was considered too dangerous. we got to play around in a rowboat. I like paddling on lakes and rivers with my wife, but the majority of the time I spend in my canoe is fishing, so that takes top priority. By some standards, my canoe isn’t even really a canoe. It’s a barge. It’s a 19- foot, square-stern Grumman. It has a flat-bottom. I also have a sail rig for this canoe and have had it out in 2-3 foot chop, sailing, heeled over. It hasn’t come close to swamping. I routinely stand up in it while fishing. My 17 year-old son and his buddy both stand up in it at the same time. In fact, he told me that three of them were standing up in it the last time they went out.  Fools…  It is st there are some good photos of a canoe under sail at the American Canoe Association website www.acanet.org – they hold canoe sailing regattas Before you buy. — National Capital FreeNet      www.ncf.ca     Ottawa’s free community network

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I pretty much expect my fly to sink on the firts cast or two, to me it seems after the inital wetting then shaking off the water (via-false casting) the fly will then float. Good Luck.

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Herman,    I think Dry Shake is just powdered desiccant.  Once your fly gets wet or slimed wash it off, use your Dry Shake and blow the powder off of the fly. Then treat it with a good floatant.  This has a law of diminishing returns though and you will eventually have to change the fly. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found that Dry shake works great – for only a short time. Once dried, my fly is floating beautifully, after five minutes, it sinks like a stone. Goes Titanic, so to speak.. I quit using the stuff, use CDC flies mainly and dry them with with a flykerchief. Two false casts and ready to go.. Herman RW: <<I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. No need to false cast or blot with anything, RW.  After a fly has been slimed by the fish, simply wash it off in the water, put it in a bottle of dessicant, shake, and voila, good as new. Dave L. — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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I found that Dry shake works great – for only a short time. Once dried, my fly is floating beautifully, after five minutes, it sinks like a stone. Goes Titanic, so to speak.. I quit using the stuff, use CDC flies mainly and dry them with with a flykerchief. Two false casts and ready to go.. Herman RW: <<I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. No need to false cast or blot with anything, RW.  After a fly has been slimed by the fish, simply wash it off in the water, put it in a bottle of dessicant, shake, and voila, good as new. Dave L.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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RW: <<I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. No need to false cast or blot with anything, RW.  After a fly has been slimed by the fish, simply wash it off in the water, put it in a bottle of dessicant, shake, and voila, good as new. Dave L.

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Vern, I found Gink works best when allowed to dry completely.  This prevents the "sheen" on the water.  I also considered pre-coating my flys in the box before a trip but George recommended against it.  He says it can soften the hackles and make the dry flys less effective.  I have found that once a fly becomes really wet, applying Gink (or any floatant) seems to be ineffective.  I pat and blow dry (sling dry) the fly prior to re-coating.

I’ve been using Dry-Shake for soaked flies. Just dry them out as much as you can with false casting and/or a cloth or a paper towel, then use the Dry-Shake. It works great. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Vern, I found Gink works best when allowed to dry completely.  This prevents the "sheen" on the water.  I also considered pre-coating my flys in the box before a trip but George recommended against it.  He says it can soften the hackles and make the dry flys less effective.  I have found that once a fly becomes really wet, applying Gink (or any floatant) seems to be ineffective.  I pat and blow dry (sling dry) the fly prior to re-coating. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I went to my local fly shop and bought a bottle of that famous stuff, "Gink."  On my way home I was hungry and decided to take my 4 year old to the IHOP.  As we were eating, I pulled out the little bottle from my shirt pocket. Popping the cap open I took a sniff.  There was no smell.  The bright yellow label was easy to read.  However, the information was uninformative and precocious as it claimed, "the most important product in any fly fisherman’s vest."  Though it might become the most important product in my vest, it isn’t yet. My four year old stabbed anther piece of egg with his fork as I poured a drop of Gink on the back of my hand.  It felt much like messuage oil.  It felt good on the back of my hand as I tried to rub it in.  It wouldn’t rub in.  The same amount of Gink remained on the back of my hand.  This is a good thing, I thought.  If it isn’t absorbed by my skin it becomes harder to effect my health. I pulled out two identical flies that I just bought at "Clearwater," my local fly shop and placed a little Gink on one fly.  The water glass was half empty so I poured a little water into an empty coffee cup and placed both flies on the water.  Both flies floated.  There was no difference. Okay, but what if the fly hits a little turbulence or pulled under water for a second or two?  Taking a toothpick, I pushed each one under water for exactly ten seconds.  Now, they both sunk.  I thought to my self, what good was this stuff?  Maybe, it wasn’t a fare test. I continued eating and cut the rest of my boy’s pancakes into bite size pieces.  After a short time, I decided to give Gink another test.  I dropped a single drop into the coffee cup of water.  I noticed that it stayed in one ball and then turned cloudy.  I took and touched the drop of Gink.  It had hardened.  I tried to sink the Gink, but it kept popping up to the surface. The little drop of Gink was very resilient and would not sink.  Something was definitely in this little bottle that floats. That’s when I noticed it.  A faint oily film hovered in the surface of water.  I don’t know what this stuff is, but it couldn’t be good for our rivers. I was now more intrigued than before.  I tore two small pieces of napkin and put Gink on one of them.  I then put both in the water and tried to sink them.  The piece of napkin without Gink instantly absorbed water, became soft, and sank.  The Gink piece of napkin wouldn’t sink, even after making a whirlpool and poking it several times.  However, the piece of napkin with Gink was stiff. Let’s try the flies one more time, I thought.  I put Gink on one more fly and performed the same test.  Again, the fly sunk even after holding it under water for one second.  Well, it didn’t completely sink.  The fly hovered at the top of the water just under the surface.  It was not on top of the water, it was under the water. I don’t know what this all means.  I’m going to have to try this Gink stuff Monday when go fishing on a new river, well new for me. Vern

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Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the area.

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(EVANV) writes: Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the

area. Lots of worthwhile fishing opportunities in the area. Plenty of wadeable tidal pools in the bay, bayous, and sound where good shots at redfish and speckled trout can be had.There’s an Orvis Store in Destin (my credit card statement says Blue Bay Outfitters, but I thought it was called something else, oh well it’s there ) Also good fishing in the gulf and in nearby fresh water rivers and ponds. And if you’re lucky, I onced hooked a small tarpon there while casting to redfish though I understand that is a rare occurence. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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I inquired at the local Orvis shop (Destin) and was very satisfied with the

Well I’ll be…another good spot for information is Half Hitch tackle. me where I could wade for redfish, speckled trout and pompano. He also said

Although that area still has a bit more net-ban-poaching than other areas there seem to be more fish when I was dock fishing over Thanksgiving. Let me put this way, I caught the first redfish I had caught from the location in about 15 years.  A couple of places to wade are the sound at the Brooks bridge going into FWB.  There are a nice set of grass beds on the FWB side of the sound between the bridge and to the point to the east side of the bridge (ie the side opening to the bay). Heading toward Destin from FWB, just before the bridge to Destin on the left is the Coast Guard Station.  In front of the Coast Guard Station is a decent size sand flat.  In March there might be some spanish moving through (ask at the Half Hitch). Some folks try across the road from the Coast Guard Station on the gulf side of the island and back toward FWB.  You will see a spot to park very near the beach about 1/4 mile before the Destin bridge. One other place that I have never tried, but it is a large sand flat now is on the bay side of the island about half way between FWB and Destin. there were some very nice bluefish off the east jetty. It can be accessed by

At tide change the jetty can be rather good from what I have seen the few times that I have been there.  You can get to either jetty and the walk to the end of the west jetty takes about 30 minutes.  You can also "try" to fish the eddy in the pass on that side as well. Cheers, Mike — Mike Marler                          Information Technology, Georgia Tech

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I spend a fair amount of time in that area, and although I have never fished there I plan to in the future. When I was there over the Christmas holidays I inquired at the local Orvis shop (Destin) and was very satisfied with the info I got. I do not recall the name of the owner, but he was able to tell me where I could wade for redfish, speckled trout and pompano. He also said there were some very nice bluefish off the east jetty. It can be accessed by foot or boat(better). I got some additional info from a sporting goods store named Sockeyes. I would recommend contacting both before going. I was very disappointed after talking to them that I had not come prepared to fish. If you want to travel a few miles (30 or so) to the east past Panama City you can go to St. Joseph Bay. There is excellent fishing there. I also understand there is a tarpon fishery there. If you decide to use a guide and have any desire to split a trip, I would be interested. It is only a few hours from New Orleans and I am always looking for an opportunity to fish. Best of luck. Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the

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        Despite five years of closure in the commercial net fishery in Newfoundland, initial returns to most rivers have been very dissapointing. Fishway counts are running at 33% of last years on average and fishing generally poor on the island.  Water levels are also falling and temperatures rising which does not bode well either.  Explanations abound with candidates ranging from ‘mother nature’ her/himself (cold ocean temperatures, etc.) to more usual ‘whipping creatures’ such as seals, first nation fisheries and/or legitimate commercial fishers pursuing other species.         At the same time, salmon fishing is beginning to become more epxensive.  The Gander River in central Newfoundland has just institute a special $20 fee to fish it alone (with another $20 if you wish to partake of a potential Fall fishery for one month).  Other rivers are rumoured to follow suit.  I might not mind if there were a few fish!!  Recent trip to the Gander River suggested to me that there are fewer fish in the river now than when the commercial fishery were operating.  Any ideas as to what is going on?  ’hostile marine conditions just doesn’t seem to cut it having heard virutally every fishery downturn around here attriubted to it for the last five years.  Larry Felt, St. John’s, Newfoundland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need some help here.  My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and<edit go with me when I’m out.  <edit <<<AL BT wrote Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot. Your local fly shop should be able to help. Go there and try a few rods and get a couple of pointers from a resident expert. It could be time well spent. Good luck & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

Heed Al’s Advice he always has good insightful obsevations and ideas. I have an 8 year old who also loves to fish. He’s been fishing since he was 3 with spincasting gear. This year I showed him how to roll cast and he did well. He even could false cast about 15 feet.  Start off slow, he will pick it up just like riding a bike, plaing baseball and all the other great things boys do.  Most of us learned by roll casting first so maybe he needs to start there.  Sounds like you have a great kid.  There should be more Dads like us. If Ido say so myself! Tight Lines:

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Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot.

I disagree…he’ll only have to work harder to get the same distance… The longer rod will give him a lot of advantages in the ‘long’ run and should not be appreciably more heavy or unwieldy. In fact the longer rod might just keeping him from hooking his eyeball… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I need some help here.  My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and go with me when I’m out.  I myself have just finished a course and am beginning to feel comfortable casting. Not to be unkind but if, as you say, you are only now getting comfortable with casting, perhaps you need to get whoever taught you to work with your son. There is a big difference between doing and teaching, and it is another step yet to be able to diagnose a casting stroke and adjust it to be more effective within the capabilities and limits of any individual.

He’s right, you’ll BOTH learn faster if you go for lessons together.  It really helps a learner to see an instructor working with someone else, and he’ll be able to spot if the error recurs on the water – and bring the lesson back to mind. Next, video each other casting.  It’s amazing how many of your own faults you’ll see and rectify if you watch a video.  You don’t have to let the rest of the family see the result. Then compete with each other – on equal terms (sort of, you put up the prizes, he wins most of ‘em; in family terms this IS equal).  Don’t compete for distance, it wouldn’t be fair and it’s of little use in any case. Compete for accuracy, you are going ‘target casting’  Start with a hula-hoop

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Salt Lake City area?  Any outfitters who might have advice or recommendations?

Try the Spinner Fall flyshop at 801-583-2602.  Matt usually works Saturday but whoever answers the phone should be able to help you.  The Provo is always open but its been a little slow.  Anyway it isn’t winter here yet, so bring your equipment. John Close Not an employee or Spinner Fall but most of my friends are.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know this is last minute, but I’m going to Salt Lake City for a series of meetings this weekend.  I won’t have much time to fish, The fishing on the Provo river is pretty good right now.  The Provo is 40 miles from Salt Lake and it is freeway most of the way.  The guys at Spinner Fall Fly Shop can help you out if you need a guide. 801-583-2602. Last Friday I fished the afternoon and had a twenty fish go of it. Several were over 20 inches. Bruce

Bruce, Were there Beatis on the water last week??  I’ll be there tomorrow. Paul

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I know this is last minute, but I’m going to Salt Lake City for a series of meetings this weekend.  I won’t have much time to fish, and given the time of year it might not be possible, but does anyone have any suggestions for the Salt Lake City area?  Any outfitters who might have advice or recommendations? Charley Keeton

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I know this is last minute, but I’m going to Salt Lake City for a series of meetings this weekend.  I won’t have much time to fish, and given the time of year it might not be possible, but does anyone have any suggestions for the Salt Lake City area?  Any outfitters who might have advice or recommendations? Charley Keeton

The fishing on the Provo river is pretty good right now.  The Provo is 40 miles from Salt Lake and it is freeway most of the way.  The guys at Spinner Fall Fly Shop can help you out if you need a guide. 801-583-2602. Last Friday I fished the afternoon and had a twenty fish go of it. Several were over 20 inches. Bruce

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I doubt if you’d be safe from commercial sex site solicitations even at rec.fly-fishing.

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I doubt if you’d be safe from commercial sex site solicitations even at rec.fly-fishing.

Hey, I’d not object to a jpg of christine in some hip waders… TimW

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Hi all! Wants anyone tell me what kind of rod is suitable for streamer? I mean, must it be rapid and powerful or not? And how much long? I specify that I usually fish in mountain streams.

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I assume you are asking about a rod for fishing streamers?  I am also assuming that you are fishing some relatively small streams in the mountains, too?  Get yourself a 7-7 1/2′ rod for 6 weight line.  The heavier line weight will carry the streamers more easily.  If you are going to fish on bigger water, I’d recommend going to a 7 or 8 weight in a faster action 9′ fly rod.  There are lots of choices.  Good luck.  Dave Kumlien, Montana Troutfittes Orvis Shop, Bozeman, MT  

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What to charge for private tying lessons? I have two questions for any fly tying instructors who care to reply. I have been teaching fly tying at a local shop for the past 3 years and I recently was asked to do some private one-on-one lessons. question #1: My friends tell me I do not charge enough for my instruction. What do you charge a beginner for 1.5 hours of instruction. question #2: what would you charge if your student was selling flies to a mail-order company. If you prefer not to reply to the newsgroup, thanks todd seigfried

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What to charge for private tying lessons?

[snip] If you prefer not to reply to the newsgroup,

I would appreciate it if any responders would post the answer here!   Would like to know the answer also.

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question #1: My friends tell me I do not charge enough for my instruction. What do you charge a beginner for 1.5 hours of instruction.

I’m an instructor here in the Chicago area, and the students pay 75.00 for a two-day (total of six hours) seminar.  That’s 12.50 per hour (payed to the fly-shop) but it’s in groups of from four to seven people.  For private lessons I would charge 25.00 per hour. Jack

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Hi Todd, My wife and I make our living as commercial fly tiers in the winter and guides in the summer.  Our price for teaching fly tying PERIOD… is $25.00 per hour, no matter the size of the class or the number of students.  It could be one person or twelve (our maximum). If I had a student who was selling flies to some one else, you ask, "What would I do?" I would try to hire him! Take care!  Good Tying & Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT I have two questions for any fly tying instructors who care to reply. I have been teaching fly tying at a local shop for the past 3 years and I recently was asked to do some private one-on-one lessons.

Please check the message above!  Take Care! Al Beatty

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I think that if you were on a limited budget, like you were in graduate school, you could have everyone chip in a dime per fly to cover the cost of the materials.          Jeff Schaeffer

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I am looking for some good spots for Saltwater-flyfishing in the vicinity of Boston (MA). Any suggestions for good spots, how to get and fish there are welcome. Thank,   Thomas

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: I am looking for some good spots for Saltwater-flyfishing in the : vicinity of Boston (MA). Any suggestions for good spots, how to get and : fish there are welcome. : Thank,   Thomas In Ma, I am told that the Joppa flats in Newburyport at low tide and Cranes beach in Ipswitch at all tides produce well. However, So. ME is close and there are many spots. I am partial to the beach in front of my house at Ferry Beach in Saco. The nice thing this summer was that the angler could see fish sign-either birds working or fish breaking. June was the best month. Come up next summer. I will give you directions.  y t, m

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