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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes….. And is the resulting goop any good as berley?  Or wouldn’t it just be better to set the body out in the creek as crab bait, then when it’s full, pull ‘em off and set it out again? ‘certified crab bait’? Oh Lordy, stop it will you! Tony Deacon

…and just WHERE is it you thought GINK came from???

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No – that  for foot and mouth Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes…..

– Charles Reaves

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Is that allowed – I though chumming with mammalian products was a no-no Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia.

– Charles Reaves

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia.

Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes….. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes…..

And is the resulting goop any good as berley?  Or wouldn’t it just be better to set the body out in the creek as crab bait, then when it’s full, pull ‘em off and set it out again? — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes….. And is the resulting goop any good as berley?  Or wouldn’t it just be better to set the body out in the creek as crab bait, then when it’s full, pull ‘em off and set it out again?

‘certified crab bait’? Oh Lordy, stop it will you! Tony Deacon

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‘certified crab bait’? Oh Lordy, stop it will you!

I love reading stuff like this.  Shows me that we haven’t lost touch with the larger sphere of angling activities.  I’ve run into some people who love to fly fish but they just don’t seem to be interested in fishing in general. Mu

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rw wrote… Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. Or stack them several deep, cram them into one tomb, cremate them and mix their ashes…..

You’re not insulting our good friends in Narlens, are you? Tim

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Sorry if I am not eager to enlist the help of the Tuscon Funeral Group for help with my fly fishing gear……

‘Certified After Care Providers’ Is that really what you Americans call undertakers? Absolutely priceless! ROFLMFAO Tony Deacon

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Sorry if I am not eager to enlist the help of the Tuscon Funeral Group for help with my fly fishing gear…… ‘Certified After Care Providers’ Is that really what you Americans call undertakers? Absolutely priceless! ROFLMFAO Tony Deacon

Basically, we dump ‘em in some pond in Georgia. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Tim Gerds wrote…  Visit our site and see a rod and reel rack made by a fisherman for fishermen  www.t-f-g.com

Sorry if I am not eager to enlist the help of the Tuscon Funeral Group for help with my fly fishing gear…… — Warren (who loves spammers who are too stupid to even spam correctly) change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I thought I wouldn’t *ever* get my own thread. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "If you’re not the lead dog, the view never changes." Tom Browns Bastard is causing ROFF to rave, a thread has been engendered, the results of this are grave, but he can go casting on ! casting over seventy feet, with a quick flick of the wrist, will cause most Orvis owners here to shake an angry fist, but  he will go casting on ! His spouse is not quite certain, what the ruckus is about, all this talk of Bastards, is causing her some doubt, but he will go casting on ! the waiting and the hoping now has not been all in vain, Tom at last is getting his awaited fighting cane, and he will go casting on ! Now Tom is the lead dog, and the view has changed for him, he is getting the first Bastard, with a special coloured trim, and he will go casting on ! lets hope he catches plenty, and enjoys his fishing too, perhaps he will be kind enough to give us a review, as he goes casting on ! TL MC

Thanks for the smile Mike…. –Walt To fish is soliloquy.

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George,  You sending this to yourself? David NB – when the rods really make an impact you can put the price up to include a ‘doubters’ premium"! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snipped) Trust me.  I couldn’t have picked a better Bastard to send the proto type to.  It was made with great care and it is a casting delight. Couldn’t have picked a better man. I’m gone. — Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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I’ve got the reports coming in from the MassWildlife.  They are generally posted on Fridays, but let’s just say when I get them, you get them.  http://www.fishine.com — Mark Cahill Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.fishingne.com The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Editorial Director http://www.reel-time.com/

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Uh, that url is actually http://www.fishingne.com Sorry! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got the reports coming in from the MassWildlife.  They are generally posted on Fridays, but let’s just say when I get them, you get them.  http://www.fishine.com — Mark Cahill Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.fishingne.com The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Editorial Director http://www.reel-time.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s something to think about.  I saw this message on a sailing newsgroup: A guy went into the water in Elliott Bay as part of a [simulated rescue situation]. He was wearing a survival suit (the water *is* cold up here), and made the mistake of diving in head-first.  All the trapped air in the suit collected at the highest point once he was in the water, which was the feet.  He was not able to get himself rightside-up, and drowned before the boat could get back to him. I’ve never seen a survival suit except in pictures, but I understand it to be something like a dry suit with insulation and flotation built-in. I guess there *IS* a reason why I ritualisticly squeeze all the air out of my suit before each time I get into my boat.

Doesn’t sound like much of a problem for paddlers’ dry suits to me.  At least decked boaters are wearing a spray skirt which ought to be tight enough to keep air passing that quickly between upper body and legs. And everyone I’ve seen putting on dry suits burps as much air out as possible simply for the reason of making them more flexible.

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: Here’s something to think about.  I saw this message on a sailing : newsgroup: I should have mentioned:  these survival suits (when I owned one) did not have neck gaskets; the only way I remember that air/water could get in our out was from around the neck.

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(KCKaddis) writes: sounds like an urban legend to me … you’d think that a suit designed to save

your life would have floatation in the right spot to float you head up if unconciuos Actually, this is a common problem with dry suits. SCUBA divers often wear additional weight on their ankles to prevent a feet up uncontrolled ascent. … by the by , while fly fishing , I learned of the same prob with waders…

the solution , if you find yerself in this fix , is to pull your knees to your chest & burp the air out… or stay dry  ; ) More likely, it is a case of pulling your chest up toward your feet. Still, a dry suit has air stored up to the neck with a gasket that is intended to be leakproof. This is a whole lot different than a pair of waders which allow air to freely flow in/out. SCUBA suits have valves to allow air to escape at roughly chest level, but survival suits or the dry suits used when paddling do not. This should not be a life threatening situation with proper training, but few know of this risk and even fewer practice how to escape from this situation (the logical escape procedure would involve raising the body toward the surface in as flat a plane as possible, thus allowing the  the air to redistribute evenly in the suit – not having the opportunity to practice this, I’d imagine strong swimming/sculling skills and good breath control would come in handy). Whether or not this particular even is an urban legend is moot. There is a potential when wearing a dry suit for the air to redistribute in this fashion as the suit does nothing to prohibit the motion of air. Thus, bleeding the things before entering the water is important. Rick

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Actually, [air trapped in legs, floating you head down] is a common problem with dry suits. SCUBA divers often wear additional weight on their ankles to prevent a feet up uncontrolled ascent. This should not be a life threatening situation with proper training, but few know of this risk and even fewer practice how to escape from this situation (the logical escape procedure would involve raising the body toward the surface in as flat a plane as possible, thus allowing the  the air to redistribute evenly in the suit – not having the opportunity to practice this, I’d imagine strong swimming/sculling skills and good breath control would come in handy).

I’ll be helping to run a pool session this winter, and I plan to try it.  My dry suit has ankle gaskets, so the easiest escape for me probably will be to reach for my ankles and burp them.  Who knows, maybe the pressure inside the suit will be enough for it to happen without my help.  If that’s the case, then I’ll try to borrow a suit that has booties built in, or I’ll try taping my ankle seals to make them tighter.

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KCKaddis writes :: << sounds like an urban legend to me I remember when dry suits first appeared in the UK (early 70’s) – they were made out of latex rubber and actually worked pretty well while they lasted (which wasn’t long). They had a roll waist attachment and glued on booties. I would wear mine snorkeling and if I didn’t burp the suit my flippers would pop off my feet whenever I dove (my feet would turn into balloons). I don’t remember any problems getting stuck upside down though. The clear latex suits (mine was pink) were the worst looking things in the world – looked like they should have come out of a giant dispensing machine in the public toilets<g Mick Evans

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        I did run across one survival rescue suit in a catalog a coupla years ago that had rings embedded in the legs so that they wouldn’t expand if air rushed there in an upside down position.  Blurb suggested that indeed it had been a problem.   KCKaddis wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … you’d think that a suit designed to save your life would have floatation in the right spot to float you head up if unconciuos… by the by , while fly fishing , I learned of the same prob with waders… the solution , if you find yerself in this fix , is to pull your knees to your chest & burp the air out… or stay dry  ; )

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: Here’s something to think about.  I saw this message on a sailing : newsgroup: … I owned one of these, though never tried it out in the water, when I fished in Bristol Bay.  I no longer remember the details about them except that the suits are like toddler’s pajamas, and are bulky and awkward to get in and out of.   I find the story to be quite credible.

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Sportsmansguide actually has some surplus survival suits   for $200. They have huge airbladder on the back, apparently to prevent this sort of mishap. I once read of a similar fatal accident involving a fat woman with an inner tube around her waist.

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sounds like an urban legend to me … you’d think that a suit designed to save your life would have floatation in the right spot to float you head up if unconciuos… by the by , while fly fishing , I learned of the same prob with waders… the solution , if you find yerself in this fix , is to pull your knees to your chest & burp the air out… or stay dry  ; )

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Here’s something to think about.  I saw this message on a sailing newsgroup: A guy went into the water in Elliott Bay as part of a [simulated rescue situation]. He was wearing a survival suit (the water *is* cold up here), and made the mistake of diving in head-first.  All the trapped air in the suit collected at the highest point once he was in the water, which was the feet.  He was not able to get himself rightside-up, and drowned before the boat could get back to him.

I’ve never seen a survival suit except in pictures, but I understand it to be something like a dry suit with insulation and flotation built-in. I guess there *IS* a reason why I ritualisticly squeeze all the air out of my suit before each time I get into my boat.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m searching for a flyfishing desination that offers opportunity for large trout and stuff thats nearby for family to do while i fish. please email me with any idea you may have. thanks, mp Dear mp, You might consider the Jackson, Wyoming area. There are locations for larger trout and plenty of things to do for the rest of the family. — Bruce E. James, Webmaster Jack Dennis Outdoor Shop http://www.jacksonwy.com/jackdennis/

It depends where you want to go.  Ennis MT has a number of family recreation spots available while you fish the Madison River for big brown trout.  The family can visit Virginia City, MT, a turn of the century restoration; Lewis & Clark Caverns, a wonderful cave complex with tours; Yellowstone, which is about an hour away; etc.

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For my money and time, I’d fish the Green downstream from the Flaming Gorge damn in Utah. I fished there in May and July and had my best fishing experience there. Big and plentiful fish. Jerry G.

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i’m searching for a flyfishing desination that offers opportunity for large trout and stuff thats nearby for family to do while i fish. please email me with any idea you may have. thanks, mp

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Hi can anyone help me with some  locations to flyfish in the Tahoe area.  I know there is alot of water and theres got to be a  few hot fly fishing spots. What flies? Fly shops? any thing else that might be helpful? float tubes on the lake? Thanks Great White Thanks for all thoughs who replied to my northerns and tigers questions landed me my first tiger 36"  17 pounds. "Got to quite wishin need to go fishin" Jimmy buffett

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Hi-    Unless you know the area very well, Lake Tahoe is a poor flyfishing destination. South of the Lake is the East Carson River and flowing out of the lake on the North end is the Truckee River. These are the two premier rivers in the area. Currently the Carson is fishing well and the Truckee is blown out.    -Ralph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi can anyone help me with some  locations to flyfish in the Tahoe area.  I know there is alot of water and theres got to be a  few hot fly fishing spots. What flies? Fly shops? any thing else that might be helpful? float tubes on the lake? Thanks Great White Thanks for all thoughs who replied to my northerns and tigers questions landed me my first tiger 36"  17 pounds. "Got to quite wishin need to go fishin" Jimmy buffett

Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com

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Ralph is right about the Tahoe area.  The only change is that the Truckee downstream from Tahoe should be improving shortly.  The flows were just decreased today and hopefully will be stable for a while. Also try the Little Truckee, along with the handfull of small creeks in the North Tahoe area.  Good luck. Dick

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You wanna stick this in yur big ol’ ice chest and tote it on out ta da monster truck long wid yur beer, good buddy?!?  Then, perhaps you could locate a more appropriate newsgroup to address your wares. Lighten up flyfisher . . . you’re sounding too tight and setting to hard. bob vorel

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 A Cross Between Benny Hill and Babe Winkleman  Starring Penthouse Pets of the Year.

You could call it "Balls Deep in Montana’s Rivers".

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:  A Cross Between Benny Hill and Babe Winkleman :  Starring Penthouse Pets of the Year. : You could call it "Balls Deep in Montana’s Rivers". Yeah, but that is a fluctuating level with temperature.  Ta-dump! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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or you could call it a waste of money…why does anyone think we(men) need to see fabulous penthouse "babes" to be happy?…it’s like every beer comercial has to have a babe in it…or a guy wearing dockers….oh well….sex has been used to sell everything else…now fishing? craig

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I agree with Craig.  I though a lot of men went fishing to get away from women anyway!!

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I agree with Craig.  I though a lot of men went fishing to get away from women anyway!!

Some men actually prefer fishing with thier wives—go figure!!  Carolyn

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Some men actually prefer fishing with thier wives—go figure!!  Carolyn

Hey guess what?  Some women actually like to fish.    Tight lines, Lisa Cutter

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(Ralph Cutter) writes: Some men actually prefer fishing with thier wives—go figure!!  Carolyn Hey guess what?  Some women actually like to fish.   Tight lines, Lisa Cutter

I do, I do! Where’s your school of flyfishing??

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 Carolyn Hey guess what?  Some women actually like to fish.   Tight lines, Lisa Cutter I do, I do! Where’s your school of flyfishing??

hi Carolyn    We’re in Truckee just north of Lake Tahoe, I’d love to send you a brochure send me your address.    Tight lines, Lisa

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 Award Winning Best New Adult Fishing Comedy Video  50 Minutes  A Cross Between Benny Hill and Babe Winkleman  Starring Penthouse Pets of the Year.  Lots of Babes and Jokes.  The funniest video for fish camp to share with your fishing buddies.  A great fishing gift item.  Order Now for only $19.95   Call 1-800-347-4069  1-800-FISH 069

You wanna stick this in yur big ol’ ice chest and tote it on out ta da monster truck long wid yur beer, good buddy?!?  Then, perhaps you could locate a more appropriate newsgroup to address your wares.

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Seeking fishing experiences on the private waters of Oasis Springs, CA. Specifically: type of water, cost, lodge accomodations,  and maximum number permitted daily. Thanks, Norm Norm Hanami

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Yes, I’ve fished Oasis Springs Ranch.  It was the dumbest trout

experience I have nothing good to say about this place. I didn’t like dealing with the people, to the point of feeling cheated. And, I’ve heard from others (I never actually got there, and lost my deposit) exactly what the other posts said. That is, there’s one decent stretch, it’s hatchery fish, and the brochure is full of bull. Jack Formerly

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Went there the first year to check it out.  Beautiful lodge.  Nice location.  Huge "native" fish with very rubbed noses and fins.  Oh well. Varied stretches of water, from deep pool to riffles & runs.  Also great fishing below PGE transfer pipe up one of the arms.  Struck me as an odd combination. . . Since then i’ve had several friends go there and have a great time.  They have all sorts of other distractions, tennis court, i think horse riding as well.  Good location for a weekend get away with a non-fishing SO or something.  There have been some intro classes up there for new fishers, also. just my #22 –jim *                                                     *

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Norm, I get a flyer from these folks about twice a year. Never tried ‘em, but it seems like a nice outfit. Try calling ‘em (800) 642-4150 or (916) 474-1943.

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Yes, I’ve fished Oasis Springs Ranch.  It was the dumbest trout experience I’ve ever had.  Caught endless numbers of of 4-6 lb. football shaped rainbows….straight out of some brood hatchery around Redding.  The waters? The brochure says "5 1/2 miles of prime stream.  It’s more like 400 yards of prime, since a PGE flume is a short distance above the lodge, which removes most of the water from the upper stream and shoots it back into the lower stream. (There is a dam just below the lodge, which is where the football shaped big ones hang out.  Give them anything black and ugly on a sinking line…they are stupid trout, and will apparently eat anything coming near the dam that looks like food.) The lodge itself is prime, and the grounds are pleasant, food better than average. My advice?  Take your signifigant other, have a restful time, but don’t expect a quality flyfishing experience.

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I will be visiting the keys for the first time in late February early May and am looking for recommendation for places to fish, charters, and equipment needs. I’ll be staying on Little Conch Key, mile 62.  Responses

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: I will be visiting the keys for the first time in late February early May : and am looking for recommendation for places to fish, charters, and : equipment needs. I’ll be staying on Little Conch Key, mile 62.  Responses

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 Ok guys and gals, time to see how good this information highway really is. I live in the UP (of MI) and my fish is steelhead. I want to know more about the fish and its habits. Give me info about your steelhead experiences. Don’t tell me about what some author wrote in some book. I can read for myself. Tell me what your favorite s.h. fly is. Please don’t say whater the fish wants at the time. This may be true but it will not help me on the stream. What is the best time to go for s.h.   don’t say dates but rather include what the season is like. For example tell me if the trees were turning color, if there were no leaves, if there was lot’s of snow on the ground. Where do this fish prefer to spend time in the stream? If you fish in the UP give me some stream names or at least some clues. I will be wating for your answers with a cold nose, cold fingertips waist deep in the cold UP streams.                   Thanks                   Jake "I can’t get enough steelhead" Tulius

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writes: OK Jake here it goes.  During the fall when the salmon are spawning or just after they are finished I prefer egg imitation patterns such as a glo-bugs, nuclear glo-bugs and estes flies.  My best color has always been chartreuse and chart. and blue mix.  I have always thought that most people tie egg imitation to large, instead I have an assortment of small (#12) to large flies (#6).  During the winter glow bugs and dark colored nymphs (#14 -#10) work well.  Fishing is usually best for me during the first two hours after sunrise, until the water temp. dips below about 40 F.  During cold water I have yet to find any specific time that fish hit best, it seems to depend more on weather conditions than on time.           PS I landed a nine pounder today!!!!!                                                   Good Luck,                                                    Mark Arrigo

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writes: I live in the Portland OR. area so I don’t know if it is the same in your area. I use a fly that I tie myself. It’s a very simple red and black yarn, you start from the back and wrap up to the middle with the red and leave a little extra hanging off. Then finish wrapping to the eye with the black. I use this fly year round and do very well. Another thing that I do is fish smaller streams and spot the fish in the riffles. I use a piece of split shot about 18 inches above the fly and get it right down to the fish. My biggest fish so far with this method was a 15lb bright steelhead that had me running up and down the bank to land it. Just remember the fly has very little to do with it. The key is to spot the fishing and to get the fly right down to it.

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jake I have alot of steelhead experience… Ilove the fish escpecially when they are fresh out of the lake(lake erie in my case)  yesterday, the creeks were high and a whole new batch of them came up the creek.  I managed to hook 8 and only landed 4.  I use my 5wt. 8.5 foot sage.   use a 3x to 5x leader, and right now my fave is to use a #14 to #12 pink sucker spawn.  These look tantalizing  to the fish when they get wet. I weight them and use an indicator about 2 feet up. steelhead are most aggressive in the morning when the creeks are high and very colored.   That is the best time to go.   Yesterday I got my first fish right away and she was 29 inches, with a 17 inch girth.   went right into backing in about 5 seconds.   I use 2x strong #14 nymph hooks, and she bent the hell out of it.   stretches that old mono tippet righ out.  friggin exciting man. later…..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Ok guys and gals, time to see how good this information highway really is. I live in the UP (of MI) and my fish is steelhead. I want to know more about the fish and its habits. Give me info about your steelhead experiences. Don’t tell me about what some author wrote in some book. I can read for myself. Tell me what your favorite s.h. fly is. Please don’t say whater the fish wants at the time. This may be true but it will not help me on the stream. What is the best time to go for s.h.   don’t say dates but rather include what the season is like. For example tell me if the trees were turning color, if there were no leaves, if there was lot’s of snow on the ground. Where do this fish prefer to spend time in the stream? If you fish in the UP give me some stream names or at least some clues. I will be wating for your answers with a cold nose, cold fingertips waist deep in the cold UP streams.                   Thanks                   Jake "I can’t get enough steelhead" Tulius

        I’ve only landed 1 steel head.  That was last November on the PM on a #8 green but skunk.  I dredged it out of the back of a deep hole in a bend in the river.  Those that I see out in the open are usually spooked before I can do anything about it.  I have tried brights and naturals, and I think I get more hits on the naturals.           Good luck in your quest, and maybe we’ll meet up on the river sometime. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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