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Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari Ari & Gaelle Bert                                   +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                 www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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says… Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari

Ari, You’ll get more knowledgeable responses, but did you try searching the group for the Electrofishing thread a few weeks ago?  I though Mike had put up quite a bit of detail about various equipment and techniques. Rob

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Did he? I’ll look but I probably missed it. Ari You’ll get more knowledgeable responses, but did you try searching the group for the Electrofishing thread a few weeks ago?  I though Mike had put up quite a bit of detail about various equipment and techniques. Rob

Ari & Gaelle Bert                                   +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                 www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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<2 lines of text followed by 18 friggin’ lines of sig You really need to learn some netiquette. Do a Google on RFC1855 and read it. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sorry buddy, my email was linked to my newsreader. It should be sorted out now. Apologies once again. Ari <2 lines of text followed by 18 friggin’ lines of sig You really need to learn some netiquette. Do a Google on RFC1855 and read it. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ari Bert wrote Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari It is best to buy a "ready-made" machine. It is very dangerous to experiment.   They can be harmful to fish, and a lot of other things, including humans. In most places, it is illeagl to use them without a licence. TL MC

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You will find some info here. Take particuar note of the safety instructions; http://water.usgs.gov/nawqa/protocols/OFR-93-104/fishp11.html TL MC

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<< Ari: Does anyone know how to build one? Yes.  With a certainty that you won’t stun yourself and drown?  No. And are they harmful to fish? Frequently. …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Unless said waters are your personal property, probably not legal.  Checking with my town’s lakes biological services provider, not legal in NJ without a permit from DEP. GKT

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I recall one landowner I worked with who spoke of his bass pond.  They had overpopulated, and were stunted as a result.  He got the idea to plug in his battery charger and throw the jumper cables into the pond, to sort of thin the population out. "That," he said.  "Did the trick probably a little too well." Pete Collin

Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari

* Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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Hand cranked generator from an old telephone.  Two ten ft lengths of wire. Works in small creeks and fish ponds don’t know about bigger lakes and rivers.

Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari

* Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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I saw a crew electrofishing in Yellowstone last August. It looked really interesting. I’d pay money to try it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Lawrence, Just as long as you don’t wee on anyone.  :-) Ernie "lawrence" wrote Hi I hope you don’t mind sometimes I like to have a wee prattle! <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Regards Lawrence

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Come out to Oregon and we’ll go for summer steelies on the Deschutes. Remember, you don’t have to tie your line to your reel! Then we’ll send you out bonefishing with Randall Kaufmann… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  you could possible do without tying your line to your real as that end of the line rarely sees daylight.

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My fly reel holds about 250 metres/yards of line and backing and when 200 yards gets stripped by a fish hooked on a size 14 treble I start running Of course (Ernie from previous reply) others have been known to wee themselves Lawrence — http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk http://www.flytyer.co.uk off my Lily Pad by writing: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Come out to Oregon and we’ll go for summer steelies on the Deschutes. Remember, you don’t have to tie your line to your reel! Then we’ll send you out bonefishing with Randall Kaufmann…  you could possible do without tying your line to your real as that end of the line rarely sees daylight.

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My post was pretty snide. Wasn’t personal! At least when a fish that big strips your spool, you know it’s moving in the opposite direction!

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Hi I hope you don’t mind sometimes I like to have a wee prattle! When I were a lad I remember fishing one day with a stick a cord and a piece of pin for a hook. I had at least three or four knots in the cord when this old codger said to me.  "Son you’ll never catch a fish with that it’s got too many knots in it" Whats knots got to do with it I replied. He said with a smile  "If you hook a fish, every knot between you and the fish is a weak spot. You have at least three or four weak spots, you can guarantee that it will be easier for the bigger fish to break one of these weak spots" "If you can son aim for one knot between you and the fish" I said which one would that be then? "The one that ties on the hook" he grinned and off he went. His legacy left to me all those years ago is with me to this day. Do not have more weak links between you and the fish than you need. I guess it’s impossible to fish with only one knot, between you and the fish, but you can minimise the effect. My fishing setup has a knot joining my line to my reel and a knot joining my line to my hook these two are a necessity. Well almost you could possible do without tying your line to your real as that end of the line rarely sees daylight. In between that (the weak spots) I have a permanently whipped loop on the end of my fly line. This joins to the leader with another loop and that is it! The only other weak spot I have is that I like to prattle every now and then Regards Lawrence — http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk http://www.flytyer.co.uk

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Hi, The subject of this thread is not just about wildlife – I’ve been entangled both in the river (the Waitahanui River, Taupo, NZ) and on the river bank, tripping and nearly breaking my rod let alone my head – though no doubt there are some who would classify me as "wildlife" too – an ex-wife or two et alia. Regards John — J. W. RICH 144 Gillies Ave, Epsom, Auckland, New Zealand ph/fax.  64-9-623-2975 website http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/3675/ or      http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich     To purchase an E-copy of "Timber Geodesic Domes" by John Rich go to:         http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich/promo.htm Some more pics of my domes are displayed at the following URL.         http://domegroup.org/domehomepics.html#johnrich

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By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

I wish it were so.  This shouting ninny was one load that needed to be tarped! WF

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To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

Shwaggy?!?!  I deny therefore I am?  What kind of logic is that?  I haven’t been to the moon therefore I am an astronaut? Warren People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

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"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". I assume you only have sex with your wife when she is ovulating. — Charlie…

Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. Chris Fleitman Running for cover.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

The above statement, even if it’s true, in no way supports your subject line, "DISCARDED FISHING LINE LEADING CAUSE OF WILDLIFE DEATH". You need a lesson in logic, but I doubt you’d get anything from it. bock Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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: To fish is human…to release divine. [deleted] I guess if you repeat it enough times it becomes truth?

Hold on Jon…I’m getting it now and WHart *is* right…. To fish is human… OK But: to release is an err… But: to err is human… But: Human was created in the [divine] image of God… Means: to err is divine… Therefore: to release is divine. But he could have just saved time by: To C&R fish is Human, to forgive divine. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches.

What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish.

You slay me, Tim ;^) It’s clear that whatever had crawled up your ass a couple of months ago crawled out and left behind your latent sense of humour. Good show! /daytripper

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[major snippage] Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though).

As I recall (this was discussed in this group roughly a year ago) the NH Fish and Wildlife folks recovered something like 16 dead loon carcasses over some period of time, and (again from memory) around two thirds of them were found to have perished from lead poisoning. The small lead sinkers used in fresh water fishing apparently fall in the size range of small stones that the loons swallow to facilitate digestion. Presumably, some degree of extrapolation of the sample size led these folks to their conclusion as applied to the entire population, and thus the small lead sinkers are to be banned. Seems reasonable to me, as non-toxic alternatives already exist at fair prices… A friend and I were fishing a favorite NH pond a few years ago and we watched Ma and Pa loon teaching their three kids how to fly. It was hilarious seeing the little fellows taking turns frantically scurrying along the water for fifty yards at a time trying to get airborne… /daytripper

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders. Additionally, the leading cause of oil pollution is the improper disposal – by RESIDENTIAL users – of motor oil….i.e. your car and lawnmower.  Whereas outboard motor oil is partially combusted and inboards have a closed oil system. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but no one has a right to be

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bULLsHIT1776 YELLS again: <<THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC. Hmmmmm.  I have never seen or heard of a fly fisherman discarding fishing line.  Doesn’t happen, lady.  Perhaps you’ve cross posted this crap to the wrong group?   Dave LaCourse

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Bullshit. The leading cause of wildlife entanglement are the nets specifically made for this very purpose. You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

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Dear BS1766 Next time you are in the vicinity of a Flyfisherman, please ask the aforementioned Flyfisherman to strangle you with any about-to-be discarded line.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders.

Not to be unnecessarily dense (especially since I haven’t read the article), but that sounds sort of intuitive.   Who is really surprised that the leading cause of entanglement is stuff you can get tangled in?   Besides fishing line, what were some of the other discarded materials in question? Were there any indications as to different sources of the discarded line (e.g. recreational worm dunkers vs. commercial long liners)? I have to say that the rivers, lakes, etc. where I’ve fished are remarkable devoid of discarded line from recreational fishermen.   Two exceptions are the Susquehanna (MD. portion) and the Salmon River (NY).   The great number of bait fishermen on the Susquehanna unfortunately include some of the worst environmentally-insensitive pigs to ever wet a hook.   I think their attitude is "if it sinks out of sight, it ain’t litterin’."   In some heavily fished holes on the Salmon, it sometimes seems as though the river bottom is 50% monofilament. Joe F.

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You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ?

Which reminds me of something I saw on a condom machine in the gents toilet of an English pub a long time ago. In large red letters on the front of the machine it said " Made to British Standard 1776"  below this some wag had written in large black letters with a marker pen, "So was the Titanic". TL MC

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B.S. wrote a bunch of b.s. Listen folks I know I abused my hearing with 30 years of shooting magnum pistols, but you don’t have to YELL! Big Dale

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[deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself!

You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine!

"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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0] : THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE : WORLD IS : DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE : CONSERVATION IN : WASHINGTON DC. : : Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work : whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate : abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe : soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s : pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of : virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about : hisself! : — : Wayne : To fish is human….To release Divine! FWIW I found and have in my collection a western oriole nest made entirely of discarded monofilament. I found this near the E. Walker river near Bridgeport, California. It showed every sign of having been used successfully. This is not at all to say I endorse discarding the stuff. I remove it when I find it, including that nest. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine! "To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way

May be…but at least it’s a short cast. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

nobody’s saying we don’t lose gear, but i for one question this posters credibility and if what he says is in fact based on truth. the problem with the original post was the broad stroke.  fishing line can mean a lot of things, little clips of tippet, balls of tangled mono, mile long lost drift nets, lost gillnets, and other commercial gear lost that continues fishing and killing for a long time.  i do not condone people littering, but including sportfishermen with lost commercial gear is misleading and does not really present the whole truth.  yes, fishing line does entangle fish… but i’d like more info.  what percentage of the total is lost commercial fishing nets?  what percentage is based on sportfishing litter?  plus, i don’t believe everything i read on the internet.  anybody with any agenda can say anything.  to me, his original statement very well might be a large pile of bs. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ?

again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though). now, give me lots of dna evidence, blood stains, etc… and i’ll reconsider <G. chris Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Besides being misleading and irrelevant… this statement is probably totally untrue.   Ghost nets (those broken off or otherwise lost by commercial fishermen) are undoubtedly the largest cause of life threatening wildlife entanglement (if fish are counted as wildlife). The number of fish lost to "ghost nets" is staggering, but there is no way to get an exact count because it all happens "invisibly" beneath the surface. Besides, the turkey who posted this nonsense is a mindless spammer. I found it on the rec.outdoor.fishing group also. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Hello,  Steph, your geography is a fraction short. Quorn and Wilpena Pound are about 5 hours north of Adelaide, which is a good 9-10 hour drive west of Melbourne. Wilpena Pound and St Mary’s Peak are perhaps the best-known hiking trip in the Flinders Ranges, and are a spectacular walk. But take plenty of water (a litre an hour) and leave enough time to get back to camp, and take a hat. You probably won’t find much flowing water, let alone any trout in the Flinders in November! My suggestion to Cam is to try the Grampians (now known as Gariwerd as preferred by the original inhabitants of the country) for High Country. Have fun! Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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Try Sheepyard Flats, Howya Valley up in the Victorian high country – you’ll be fishing up on the Howya River for trout that are wild – they’ll be bloody wild when you catch them – no stockies in this little river as far as I know. They are small little browns, but a pleasure to fish to. I assume your fly fishing (?) – you’ll get them on small little flies with fine leaders – try a Red Tag, Geehi Beetle (Aus. pattern), Wulffs (sp?). Upstream and down is okay. If you’re spin fishing, try a #1 Celta lure on very fine line, trundled down the stream/river. If your landing in Melbourne, go downtown to the Compleat Angler and talk to the boys. Stock up on local flies and get some good oil from them. They might even suggest a better spot than I can. If you like fishing, get a book by David Scholes (Aussie author), or just get an aussie fly fishing book – worth a read – hell, get some aussie fly tying books – Peter Leuver’s one is good. Aussie patterns are good. One warning. Most Aussie bush crawls with snakes (absolutely deadly – they’ll make you really, really sick or just plain dead in a short time) and it’ll be bloody hot. Watch yourself – no hands down holes or stupid things, e.g. don’t rush when walking. Stomp around a bit. You’ll usually see plenty of snakes darting directly away from you. Don’t rush is the best bet – and you’ll be fine. Stand up on the log, look down and then stand down, rather than stepping over a log. Play it safe. Check your bedding, don’t leave your tent door unzipped. Take a hat, drink water, swim in the river and you’ll have a bloody wonderful time of it all. BTW you treat aussie snake bites differently than North American ones – learn how to treat  - (the venom acts differently, and certainly not locally – if I’m right). One other warning – don’t drink Foster’s Lager because its the worst beer on the planet and it’ll make you terribly sick (joking – about the terribly sick part, not joking about it being shitty, shitty beer). There are other better beers that don’t see the light outside of Aus. Have a great time Cam. anon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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Try http://www.bushwalking.org.au/ Bear in mind that it can be quite dangerous alone in unfamiliar bush, Rescue is not around the corner. There are tourist deaths every year. I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better.

Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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Hell, man, you might have something here.  But, something *is* missing.  If you contact Ken Fortenberry on these pages, he can advise you of a certain "device".  If added to your "invention" it would make for the complete angler.  Joy, Joy, Joy. Dave

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everything snipped – hope you saw it the first time Man, that’s an effort.  Have another drink – you deserve it. mark faulkner

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Ever wondered what to do when the fish weren’t showing? Ever been distracted from your reverie by a fish showing?   Ever need to practise night casting during the day? Are you a purist who only fishes dry-fly and then only to fish you have not seen? Is catching a fish almost incidental to the experience?   Well, now you can practise night casting, reduce distraction, develop your blind searching strategies AND reduce the chances of catching fish simply by closing the 99.99999% opaque, 45+  UV filtered, scratch resistant, laminated and virtually indestructible visor of the BS-666.   No, its not just a motorcycle helmet with an opaque mask, the BS-666 is so much more, and it will make catching fish so much more difficult than you _EVER_ imagined possible: Made from ultralight graphite, machined from solid stock and modelled on the exquisite, entirely un-aerodynamic shape of the stealth bomber this helmet is packed with features including: – Super-duper, world’s best micro CD player.     * Get that retrieve rhythm just right. – Digital video camera, recorder and Heads up display.   Imagine being able to:     * Record the moment when a famous old bastard watched you deliver the       cast of a lifetime.     * Record the moment when an infamous old bastard delivered the cast of a       lifetime.     * Have instant replays of all the inaction.     * Watch other envious fishers watching you watching them.     * use a PC c/w hatch mismatch software and wrist mount keyboard – Satellite Link     * Get updates on the latest fishing equipment developments on usenet.     * Surf the web while you wait for a rise to stop or         * Use the internet to do your banking, purchase your next rod, etc. This would appear to be a painfully large quantity of equipment to carry around on your head.  However, the unit :     * is solar powered (battery packs are available for night-time use)     * uses nano technolgy for increased miniaturisation     * uses a patented helium-filled bubble wrap lining that reduces       both the load and ambient noise simultaneously.     * has aeration provided through a series of laser trimmed       worm holes, the twist and rifling of these holes being designed to       minimise ‘roaring’ that can be annoying in a breeze (ever been in       car travelling with an open rod tube lashed across the roof). The BS is in no way sticky or tacky in texture, in fact fitting the BS is enhanced by the lumpy bubble wrap lining which reduces surface-to-surface contact (the only contact with your head is at the very apex of the bubbles) and therefore friction. Proprietary cleaning products are required so that the the bubbles’ interstices are not clogged. Bubble Interstice No Clog cleaner, or BINC, has been designed just for this purpose and is also an excellent trophy cleaner. (*PHEW* nearly forgot that.)   Safety features abound also – for instance there is an ~optional~ Safe Personal Area Motion Detection and Laser Targetting system (your choice of armament depending on local statutes and/or personal taste) for use in areas frequented by large carnivores or black helicopters. (Use the SPAMDLT suffix when ordering eg. BS-666/SPAMDLT).   Do the Scandinavian countries have carnivores large enough to be a problem, Europe in general? I suppose the former Soviet arctic regions have bear, and Kashmiri may encounter the odd tiger ? I know the South Africans have a few beasties to deal with,  while here in Aus. the odd snake -both kinds- , or a croc up north, is about all we have to fear.  Of course the Kiwis, Scots, English and Irish have little to fear apart from a keeper or warden, or perhaps a feral spouse – perhaps there is a market there afterall. So, no matter where you live, in what corner of the World, for the ultimate in your blind search fishing pleasure and personal security, nothing and I mean *NOTHING* compares with the BS-666/SPAMDLT fishing helmet.   Expressions of interest are sought, so respond by email as it would be a misuse of usenet to continually post product updates to myriads of people the world over who are totally uninterested in these fine products. From your responses I will generate a mailing list which I will share with you all, (if you accede to it of course), and we can all swap update information and personal experiences.  Alternatively, you will be able check the website www.mybs.com which will be up  sooner or later ….         formulae, recipes and plans of the BS-666, the SPAMDLT options and         BINC will have been disposed of by the time you have read this UPDATE.   steve Just in case there is any confusion:   This post is meant to be humourous and a tad serious, and a small tad at that.   It is not meant to deride, denigrate, cast aspersions, nasturtiums,   or any other missile, animal vegetable or mineral, at any race or creed.  

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I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams?

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<<I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams? Try the Chattooga in the NE corner of the state.  Take Fire Road 646 off of Rt28 to Burrells Ford.  Walk upstream about two miles and fish down. In Helen, off of Alt 75, fish Dukes Creek.  Reservations necessary. Visit the fly shop in Helen on Rt 75.  They should be able to set ya straight.  Then, go next door to the working grist mill and sample Georgia Ice Cream (actually grits). Dave LaCourse A Bay Stater who’s heart is in Georgia (along with 90 acres). d;0)

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I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams?

Take a look at http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/ — Charlie…

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Can you cast easily in your bathroom?   If you want to get the true feel of Apalachian flyfishing try the Noontootla. The scenery is worth it, but she’s a man-killer. Another spot, if you have access to a float tube or canoe is the tailrace of the Toccoa River below the Blue Ridge Dam (in Blue Ridge GA).  Easy access at the dam and you can get out a few mile down the river at a bridge or at the homes along the bank.  Try to time it so that you are at the dam when they stop generating and turn down the flow.  The trout will start rising as the water drops. The Chattooga is a far more comfortable river to fish, open enough for a back cast all the way to Elliott Rock (which is the NC,SC, and GA border.)  You need a NC license to fish above Elliott Rock.   Good Luck. Patrick

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I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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Check out the St. Croix Products I Think For your money they rate up their with poles hundreds of $ more. — Larry D. Madison Life without Black would surely make White blind You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally.  They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one?   If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats. thanx, Truckless in Petaluma, Charlie Metcalf         "I thought I was the Bally table king.        But I just handed my pinball crown to him"                      Pete Townsend

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writes: I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally.  They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one?   If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats.

I’ve got a SeaDoo Explorer, which is sorta like a jetski mated to a hard-bottom inflatable and it has been a lot of fun, although I do question how well any jetski-type drive will hold up in saltwater.  The Explorer is a bit slower than a jetski, but has greater hauling capacity.

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I’ve seen jet boat runabouts for sale locally.  They look like they are a lot of fun. Anybody have experience owning one?  

Yes, I have a Boston Whaler Rage 15. It is a real blast to drive. The main problem I have with it is steering at low speeds, but this is the nature of a jet. Oh well. The BW does everything well. It’s slow for a jet, but it is the perfect vehicle if you want something that doesn’t have a lot of bells and whistles. You can see a picture of it and its specs at http://www.gsn.com in Marine Net. If so, I’d enjoy your comments about these boats.

Here goes: Most jet runabouts are powered by either an OMC drive or a Mercury Marine drive. The former has 115 horses, the latter 120. Depending on what you are looking for, there are dozens available. If you are looking for utility, go with the BW or the Hobie Jet 915s. The Hobie has only 90 hp, but it will still go. It has a center console layout, like the BW, but a much shorter freeboard. Powerboat magazine thought it was OK. BW cost: $13k +/-  Hobie: $11,500 +/- Fun boats: The Baja Splash looks like a lot of fun. Powerboat likens it to a sports car. Its colors are bright and it looks fast. Seating is a down, though. It only seats 3 and has a closed deck. It does have a rear facing seat for a spotter if you are skiing. $11k plus. Four Winns Fling: Kinda funny looking, IMHO. Can be gotten with options like a fishing chair, stereo, etc.  It has a deeper V than most, so it is not as slideable, but Powerboat like it enough. They said it feels "safe and secure."  $11k +/- Mirada Wild One: IMHO, BUTT UGLY. I wouldn’t be caught dead in one. I did see a white one the other day, but it still looks clunky. But it is cheap. $9k. Mirage Sport: Nice looking boat.Not very spinnable. Powerboat said it held a turn very well. Available with the 90hp or the 120 hp engine. It even has a built in ski locker, rare on jet boats. Powerboat calls it a true thoroughbred.  $10.5k Regal Rush XP: Highly praised for its solid feel and comfortable ride. Predictable handling. Seats are awesome. Good looking boat. $9525. Rinker Rocket: Wow. I like the funky dash. Cost is small. Powerboat liked this first entry from the company. Well built. Holds turns well, but will spin if coaxed to. $7995. Sea-Doo Sporster: Uses the Rotax engine that can be found in the SPX PWC. SeaDoo is always good in quality. Nice looking boats, too. Separate gear shift and throttle. Only one available. Seats are rather comfortable and well bolstered. The Speedster has two Rotax engines and will absolutely FLY. Check into both.  Sportster price – $8k Sea Ray Sea Rayder F-14: I fell that you can’t beat a Ray, but maybe that is because they are made here in Knoxville. NICE boats. You see them everywhere here in TN. Powerboat calls it "reassuringly  predictable". $10k I have at least 7 more reviews if you want them, but I am already taking up a lot of bandwidth, so I will sign off. email me if you want more info. Scott Kirkham

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I have a Dynasty Jet Storm,which only has the 90hp Merc Sport Jet; BUT, it will plane with 6 grown adults;yes it seats 6 adults, and has all the fun of the others.New cost $8,900.00 I am considering selling for $7,000.00,which includes trailer. I have taken it to Destin,Fla. and playedin the bay,intercoastal, and the gulf(too choppy). Boat trailers like a dream.  Max

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I have a Dynasty Jet Storm,which only has the 90hp Merc Sport Jet; BUT, it will plane with 6 grown adults;yes it seats 6 adults,

[...] Check your capacity plate.  I’ll bet it’s overloaded with 6 adults.  Just because it will plane with that load doesn’t mean it’s safe. "First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." – Shakespeare

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

Len Codela of Turner’s Falls, Massachusetts can appraise it if you send it to him.  His current catalog lists South Bend rods anywhere from $100 or less to $400 or so.  There were many different levels of quality of South Bend rods. His prices are slightly high as he caters to collectors as much as fishers.  Call either 508 or 433-555-1212 to get his number I’m not sure which area code. As this is a fishing more than a collecting forum,  I say the real value is how it feels to fish.  Try out different lines with it if you can, then take it fishing.  If it sings the line out like poetry as smooth as twenty year Scotch, it’s priceless for fishing and that is it’s inspired destiny. Don’t incarcerate it. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

I’ve got one of these guys.  There more valuable as a fishing tool, albeit a very heavy one, than they are collectible.  Interestingly the South Bend company was started by Wes Jordan (later of Orvis fame) though the rods produced were mediocre at best.  Still, I fish mine a couple of times a year for half a day or so (really a heavy rod).  I’d say go fish it!                                                                      Dan

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Roger– Try Art Flick’s Streamside Guide, an antiquated but fairly accurate book on mayflies, and Gary LaFontaine’s Caddisflies.  Try getting your hands on some entomological field guides from your nearest college library. Remember that nothing beats walking around in a stream catching the insects yourself. Ned Stankus

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Since I am really into fly fishing I would like to learn more about the various hatches and what to look for on the stream’s I fish. I own a copy of "Trout Stream Insects" by Dick Pobst but find I still can not identify all the hatches and what imitation to use. If anyone knows of a good reference book please let me know.  * 1st 1.11 #1315 * The problem with the future is it turns into the present. |_|_| PC-Ohio PCBoard OLS      pcohio.com     HST 16.8: 216-381-3320 |_|_| The Best BBS in America  Cleveland, OH  V34 28.8: 216-691-3030

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